BrooklynWHAT Member since Jun 15th 2007 85056 posts
Sun May-09-21 03:13 PM
"DK Metcalf out here trying track. 10.37 100m @ USATF" Sun May-09-21 03:38 PM by BrooklynWHAT
IDK if we have a track thread? But this caught my eye. Obviously he lost but I'm still impressed that it wasnt an embarrassing L. for his height/weight and being an amateur at it he didnt do bad IMO.
1. "He did terribly. " In response to Reply # 0 Sun May-09-21 03:37 PM by allStah
10.37 is turtle pace in track and field for adult males. The women’s WR is 10.49(juiced).
10.10 or lower is respectable, but anything after that, get your ass of the track And trying out for the Olympic team?? Publicity stunt at best.
Male High Schoolers run 10.40 or lower in their sleep. High school record is 9.98.
Translation: stick to football homie. No offense.
Sorry to be anal. But track and field is not the place for the weak. You can’t just jump out of bed and decide to do something people have been training years for.
He got humbled, finished dead last. You can tell in his interview.
Now let’s focus on high schoolers and college kids who are busting their asses in training to make the Olympic team.
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There is a huge difference between 10:09 and 10:37, it’s like an eon of time.
And the cats he was running against were MOSTLY C level runners. Some of those cats will never ever run sub 10 in their lifetime.
I can’t give an adult NFL player respect for running a time top high schoolers run in their sleep. He did no formal training, but stated he was trying out for the Olympic training. I see that as a slap in the face to runners who have been training for years. There are no weight classes in track and field. You’re either fast or you’re not. So he never had a shot because he wasn’t prepared and he was overweight.
I love DK Metcalf as a football player, and he seems like a good guy. But he needs to seriously train for about 2 years before he ever thinks about trying out for the Olympic team again.
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8. "Because you ain’t winning shit with a 10:10" In response to Reply # 7
Those were HEATS.
No finals, or diamond league. You not winning anything serious unless you run sub 10.
Olympians run 10:10 or faster when OUT OF FORM. That’s like their walk around speed.
Justin Gatlin ran 10:11 or some shit the other the day in some bullshit Japan race.
Top High Schoolers are running 10:10. So as an Adult pro sprinter, 10:10 is considered to be very slow/weak in a real race. It’s cool for a HEAT or a small event.
For an average person, people look at 10:10 as exciting. But in the world of track and field, it’s slow for an adult pro runner.
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he brought publicity to the sport (all the track athletes cackling and telling him to GTFO -- dummies) and I'm assuming his time is solid when considering how tall and bulky he is.
anybody with half a brain could tell you football speed and track speed are different. and at that level, extremely specialized. he didn't hurt nothing by going for it today.
9. "why are you such a grumpy asshole?" In response to Reply # 6 Mon May-10-21 10:51 AM by PROMO
what is your fat ass gonna run?
DK wanted to compete against sprinters (something he is not) and did so. THE END.
additionally, it brought attention to the sport which is DEFINITELY needed since people barely care about track and field as it is and care even less now that the Olympics were postponed (and might get postponed again - who knows).
14. "You’re an average American spectator with your words." In response to Reply # 9
Do you see this type of dumb shit in Europe?
No. Europeans take track and field seriously. They might do this as an exhibition or for entrainment events. But as a tryout for the Olympic team?
Hell no.
Only in America, where entertainment is valued over over substance. Track and field is is about substance. It doesn’t need spectacles or entrainment. The sports sells itself if you’re serious as a spectator and as an athlete.
There is no room for the weak or silly shit in track snd field. The world has become watered down and need to be entertained and catered to now.....track and field ain’t watering down shit.
And no I’m not fat and have never been fat, and I ran middle distance on the track and long distance on the road. And track and road runners are very very serious about their sport.
You can’t just wake up out of bed and try something that people put their lives into, you will immediately get backlash and lots of it. Swimming is similar.
Stay in your lane. Track and field ain’t for the weak or a place for entertainment. Sorry, sport.
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28. "No one is trolling. I gave my opinion." In response to Reply # 27 Mon May-10-21 03:59 PM by allStah
And stupid people like Promo responded, and he isn’t even a track person. Now that’s a troll. A dude who has never competed in track and field, concerning himself regarding someone else’s opinion.
I don’t comment on shit that I don’t follow.
Also, elite mind state in that I only are care about REAL SPORTS, and not publicity stunts.
This DK METCALF run was 100 percent trash, and that’s my opinion, and USTAF called him out on it with that sly statement.
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30. "No. You’re playing yourself." In response to Reply # 29
And no one was even talking to you. You just jumped in out of nowhere with some stupid name calling shit.
And still failed to realize that high schoolers just did some incredible shit yesterday because you’re concerned about some football player running 10:37 against runners who will not even make the final.
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31. "please come down off your high horse and..." In response to Reply # 30
shut up. this is a message board. people banter.
talking about "no one was even talking to you." so what. i have an opinion just like you do - oh wait, i forgot you're better than everyone and have an "elite mindstate."
16. "Respect the craft." In response to Reply # 11 Mon May-10-21 12:38 PM by allStah
Or get your ass off the track. This was an Olympic tryout, and he was basically racing against C level runners
It’s the same way with any other sport. If I roll out of bed, and go hit .210 in the minor league , no one is going to give a shit, when some teenagers are hitting near .300 in the minor league.
Again bro, possibly the greatest high school meet to ever take place happened yesterday, and we are talking about DK Metcalf??!
And they barely wanted to interview the guy who won the heat!
Imagine that ,you work your ass off for years to win an Olympic tryout heat. You finally win one, and the focus is in on DK Metcalf who finished in 8th place?
I don’t respect bullshit or people who don’t take things seriously, and he didnt take it seriously. This was an Olympic tryout. Have your body and mind prepared
He got his ass humbled.
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13. "He looked a lot better than I expected" In response to Reply # 0 Mon May-10-21 11:10 AM by Walleye
I thought Bolden's 10.5x prediction sounded about right, and that would have been really impressive given his size.
It was actually really cool how this played out, from some extremely light-hearted twitter back-and-forth with USATF to Metcalf showing a genuine commitment to coming as prepared as possible to his Mt. SAC event. I know the Take Machine has to be fed so our civilization of screaming on the internet doesn't sputter and die, but this is the kind of CoolSportsThing that should happen more often.
Track fans ought to walk away pretty impressed and grateful that he didn't make a joke of the event. Football fans should walk away aware, if they weren't already, that world class sprinters are better by kind, not just by degree, than fast football players.
Seems like a win/win. Especially since track occupies a pretty unusual spot when it comes to promotion/popularity. HUGE (and still growing) youth participation but comparatively little popular traction among TV viewers. Nobody seems to know how to bridge that gap, but cool stunts that respect and showcase the sport can't be bad.
Now I want to go back and time and see prime Allen Iverson run an 800m with 4-6 months of training with undivided attention. I think he could run 1:52.
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22. "Looks like he ran 21.30 and 10.59" In response to Reply # 20
That's really fast, particularly for a part-timer in a cold weather state. The 200m time in particular is really noteworthy.
I ran against Bernard Williams in high school* and he was just a little bit faster than Rogers... and went on to win a pair of Olympic medals in 2000 and a pair of WC medals in 2003.
*not a boast - my delightfully cheap coach didn't want to tote a full bus to good meets so I dipped down from the 800m to the 200m from time to time. I was a fly on his windshield.
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32. "the visual of it was so crazy." In response to Reply # 24
it was like watching a giraffe run with a bunch of zebras - they kinda move the same on a surface, bio-mechanical level, but then when you pay more attention the giraffe is way less fluid and just obviously way taller and bigger than the zebras.
>Painfully obvious, if he devoted a career to sprinting...he >would be a worldclass sprinter
Good for him, hanging in there against some quality competition. But no, that's not obvious or even true.
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40. "that's hella fast. depending upon the size of your school and what " In response to Reply # 36
state you're in, and if it's an up or down year, that could get you number 1 in your state in high school.
but yeah, #74 in college puts it in perspective.
as MANY have pointed out, the 100m is *NOT* the 40 yd dash.
i'd be interested in what he would have run in the 400.
at the end of the day, track speed is a highly specific skill. also, ain't no sprinters his size.
with time and focused training, just for the hell of it, he might get his speed down to maybe top 35 in college level? (assuming he loses weight and is doing straight up track workouts). that does no one any good.
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44. "10.36 is different by kind, not degree" In response to Reply # 42
First, it's not accurate that he didn't train at all. He didn't do much, but he said himself that he devoted a few months to the pursuit. You can see it in his actually pretty good start and first 30(ish) meters.
>It is more than safe to say that if Metcalf was training >to be a sprinter, he'd be world class.
That's not true. His size is a pretty serious drag once he gets past his drive phase, and it's not like he can just drop multiple dozens of pounds and keep the power that he has going.
It was an incredibly impressive performance, but you're making me agree with all_stah here, which sucks and I hate it.
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46. "RE: 10.36 is different by kind, not degree" In response to Reply # 44 Thu May-27-21 10:39 AM by allStah
I appreciate the high praise. : )
Seriously, the regular public doesn’t understand the different levels of human speed. They like to group everything into one category for celebratory purposes, or just to create something to support their hyper-narrative.
There are Intricacies and complexities in developing Olympian speed that require years upon years of training and racing, and that training should/must start early in an athlete’s life. It would be even harder for DK Metcalf ,because he would have to totally retrain his muscles to train and race a certain way. So he would spend at least two years just to get his body in track and field shape, and then another two years to be able have a CHANCE at competing against low 10 second guys.
Speed progression of a sprinter occurs in milliseconds, and usually by 1/10th every few years or so until they plateau. You see avg college sprinters go from 10.20 freshman/sophomore year to about 10:10/ 10:00 senior year....and the great runs being able to run sub 10:00. And once they go pro, they focus on getting into the 9.8s for the next two years, or even faster. Add that all up from freshman year, and that’s like 8 years just to progress by several milliseconds. And these athletes started in their teens.
The regular public just don’t understand those intricacies.
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47. "Right - and he'd agree" In response to Reply # 46
I enjoyed watching his performance because it's pretty incredible to watch a guy that large lay down a 10.37. That's legitimately incredible.
But the other thing I enjoyed was that he showed some real respect for the craft of short sprinting. His start and drive phase were all on-point (Ato Bolden's commentary is always way too sunny for my taste, but it's maybe worth mentioning that he agreed) and showed that he put in work to knock off those precious hundredths in the beginning of the race. And that doesn't mean that there isn't substantially more technical work that he can do, particularly holding his form in the back half of the race, but he's not too far away from maxed out.
I think your description of the progress of most college sprinters is more regimented than I'd describe - but I like the comparison. Especially because there are a not-small amount of HS sprinters that enter college with the intention of competing in football and short sprints. You can do both and be a useful conference meet-level contributor and maybe factor into the scoring at nationals, but becoming world class means a full and exclusive longterm commitment to track.
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48. "It's not safe to say w/training he'd be world class" In response to Reply # 42
That's like taking a random 6'10" dude and saying with some drills it's safe to say he'll be an NBA all star.
People running 10.3s are a dime a dozen. There are high school kids who have poor coaching and whose bodies are still developing who are running those times. And even they have only the remotest chance of becoming world class eventually.
In the track world, there is absolutely nothing remarkable about 10.37. Nothing about that time says elite potential.
38. "This is who David Boston was trying to be ....super impressed" In response to Reply # 0
>IDK if we have a track thread? But this caught my eye. >Obviously he lost but I'm still impressed that it wasnt an >embarrassing L. for his height/weight and being an amateur at >it he didnt do bad IMO. > >video >https://twitter.com/EmmanuelAcho/status/1391478564617216007
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45. "Lol…he really was coming out…" In response to Reply # 43
trying to look insanely jacked at games. I’m picturing him with bands tied around his upper arms while curling medium weight dumbbells, right before they head out to the field.
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