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"OKPW: Mania Week through SummerFest"


  

          

We have a 2-night NXT starting tonight.

We have a 2-night Mania starting Saturday.

We have a Jericho interview on WWE Network this weekend too. Oh hush, it is good for everyone if rasslin companies are less salty with one another. We all know that Jericho has been at it for 30-ish years, he's been everywhere, and maybe this cracks the door open for something even cooler down the road.

Will Ospreay is the NJPW mega/ultra/whatever heavyweight champ now. Meanwhile, Ricochet, a man who can also do many elaborate flips, is in catering at WWE. Speaking of something cool, maybe WWE should just give Ricochet to AEW..the same way they ALLEGEDLY gave Christian Cage to TNA in exchange for Flair getting to do the HOF that one time.

I'm AM salty that Ricochet, Street Profits, Nakamura and Bayley don't have real spots on Mania week. There's about to be like 15 hours of WWE rasslin this week and they couldn't find anything for these folks to do? At least with Charlotte, there's COVID and other shenanigans to point to.

BUT

There should still be lots of good stuff this week, so sift through it and enjoy yoself!

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Reigns/Edge/DB is a proper Mania main event
Apr 07th 2021
1
RE: Reigns/Edge/DB is a proper Mania main event
Apr 07th 2021
8
I watched NXT for the first time since them Saudi Shows led me to cancel...
Apr 07th 2021
2
NXT has been solid, but the lack of crowd has killed them
Apr 07th 2021
3
      I thought I loved UE when I was watching. Now I've seen The Way
Apr 07th 2021
5
      Walter v Ciampa frikkin delivered man
Apr 07th 2021
9
           RE: Walter v Ciampa frikkin delivered man
Apr 08th 2021
10
                Definitely. I think a few matches got cut a little short
Apr 08th 2021
11
                Kushida/Dunne was up there with the better Takeover openers too
Apr 08th 2021
18
                never seen Walter but that was a good match
Apr 08th 2021
12
                     you should check out his match with Ilja Dragunov last year
Apr 08th 2021
15
Per usual, the PPV will be great even if the build sucks
Apr 07th 2021
4
AEW = NXT
Apr 07th 2021
6
RE: Per usual, the PPV will be great even if the build sucks
Apr 07th 2021
7
I'll admit that the top of AEW is a fucking mess right now
Apr 08th 2021
13
that main event was some overbooked nonsense
Apr 08th 2021
14
RE: that main event was some overbooked nonsense
Apr 08th 2021
16
It's the funniest thing to me that the Bucks and GBs both think they're
Apr 08th 2021
17
      I’m of two minds on their BC legacy
Apr 08th 2021
19
Are we enjoying this OReilly/Cole match?
Apr 08th 2021
20
that was not for me
Apr 08th 2021
21
Except for KOR insisting on wrapping the way too long chain around himse...
Apr 08th 2021
22
RE: Are we enjoying this OReilly/Cole match?
Apr 09th 2021
23
It was also hurt by the “no color” policy
Apr 09th 2021
24
I liked it, didn’t love it
Apr 09th 2021
25
      Kyle looked like Jimmy Pesto Jr. dancing out his feelings
Apr 10th 2021
26
Wrestlemania weather delay!
Apr 10th 2021
27
well damn. that was...really good??
Apr 10th 2021
28
Sure was, I enjoyed it
Apr 10th 2021
30
      i definitely skipped the women's match
Apr 10th 2021
32
           Yeah, those “get everybody on the card” matches are the worst
Apr 10th 2021
33
                RE: Yeah, those “get everybody on the card” matches are the worst
Apr 10th 2021
48
Thought I saw Westside Gunn in the crowd celebrating Lashley’s win
Apr 10th 2021
29
Excellent opening match! Ive seen better Hoss Fights, but this was very ...
Apr 10th 2021
31
Cesaro and Seth are a great stylistic pairing. I need more of this feud....
Apr 10th 2021
34
in my time away from wrestling i only really feel like i missed out on.....
Apr 10th 2021
35
they honestly turned shit into gold
Apr 10th 2021
38
Shane McMahon >>>>> Kenny Omega
Apr 10th 2021
36
RE: Shane McMahon >>>>> Kenny Omega
Apr 10th 2021
46
Man give Miz all the respect. Dude made Bunny look like a million bucks
Apr 10th 2021
37
Was surprised that he wasn't just the hot tag
Apr 11th 2021
59
that Bianca press spot was different
Apr 10th 2021
39
She’s a legitimate athlete. Need an Ironwoman match Belair vs Flair
Apr 10th 2021
40
this is easily Sasha's best look ever
Apr 10th 2021
41
Jesus that was great!
Apr 10th 2021
42
Bianca Belair is a legitimate star
Apr 10th 2021
43
RE: Bianca Belair is a legitimate star
Apr 10th 2021
47
Cole botched the ending BUT
Apr 10th 2021
50
      Yeah. JBL tried his damndest to undercut that fact in he preshow
Apr 11th 2021
51
holy shit that welt. great night overall.
Apr 10th 2021
44
RE: holy shit that welt. great night overall.
Apr 10th 2021
45
Only one part timer(McJunior). The current roster carried this.
Apr 10th 2021
49
RE: Only one part timer(McJunior). The current roster carried this.
Apr 11th 2021
52
      Yep. If you're going to do. a celebrity match, this is they to do it.
Apr 11th 2021
53
           RE: 88 not 98
Apr 11th 2021
55
Solid bunch of matches with an incredible main event
Apr 11th 2021
54
RE: Solid bunch of matches with an incredible main event
Apr 11th 2021
56
      RE: Solid bunch of matches with an incredible main event
Apr 11th 2021
57
      They know exactly what they are doing
Apr 11th 2021
58
Fiend/Orton should’ve been 10x more special than THAT
Apr 11th 2021
60
Wyatt always underdelivers
Apr 11th 2021
61
A guy with a reputation for underdelivering
Apr 11th 2021
63
      Yeah but Randy only half asses when he dislikes the program
Apr 12th 2021
79
RE: Fiend/Orton should’ve been 10x more special than THAT
Apr 11th 2021
66
tonight a dud 3 matches in...
Apr 11th 2021
62
Riddle and Sheamus was fan-fucking-tastic.
Apr 11th 2021
64
I’m beyond sick of the flipping for no reason
Apr 11th 2021
65
      i think the shit riddle did was fantastic. none of it was flipping for t...
Apr 11th 2021
69
Asuka/Rhea is cracking
Apr 11th 2021
67
They’ve got some real WORKRATE studs in the women’s division rn
Apr 11th 2021
68
      RE: They’ve got some real WORKRATE studs in the women’s division rn
Apr 12th 2021
78
Final Form Reigns, man did they salvage this guy or what?
Apr 11th 2021
70
Yep. one of the consistently best executed heel runs in recent memory
Apr 11th 2021
72
Bayley usage this weekend is disrespectful to her
Apr 11th 2021
71
Ugh, I hated it
Apr 12th 2021
80
Edge's face looks like he's working for a hot meal and weekend motel st...
Apr 11th 2021
73
and he retains hahahaha , totally the best move
Apr 11th 2021
74
Main Event was great
Apr 11th 2021
75
Yo this watch along shit is trash
Apr 11th 2021
76
In all, a really solid Mania weekend anchored by 2 all timer main events
Apr 12th 2021
77
After sleeping on it...
Apr 12th 2021
82
Exactly the way the night needed to end
Apr 12th 2021
81
Mania Week: Good times
Apr 12th 2021
83
Sheamus/Riddle really needs more shine. They killed it.
Apr 12th 2021
84
      RE: Sheamus/Riddle really needs more shine. They killed it.
Apr 12th 2021
86
      I think Riddle's one of the more unique workers in a long time.
Apr 12th 2021
87
      Thought it was sloppy and so so
Apr 12th 2021
90
I think half of the problem with the Fiend matches is just lighting
Apr 12th 2021
85
RE: I think half of the problem with the Fiend matches is just lighting
Apr 12th 2021
88
i cant make heads or tails of Bray shit in general
Apr 12th 2021
89
Roster is great, Raw is not
Apr 12th 2021
91
it's just fascinating
Apr 13th 2021
92
RE: it's just fascinating
Apr 13th 2021
93
      I think they made a mistake in how the Raw champs played at Mania too
Apr 13th 2021
94
seen a few things about Rhea that worry me for her
Apr 13th 2021
95
Well, Dynamite was better this week
Apr 15th 2021
96
Future Endeavors SZN (Samoa Joe and the IIconics are out)
Apr 15th 2021
97
RE: Future Endeavors SZN (Samoa Joe and the IIconics are out)
Apr 15th 2021
98
RE: Future Endeavors SZN (Samoa Joe and the IIconics are out)
Apr 15th 2021
99
splitting them up made zero sense bc they damn sure cant wrestle
Apr 15th 2021
100
Funny. I was just coming around on the Iiconics.
Apr 15th 2021
101
Hope Joe gets healthy enough to go to AEW
Apr 16th 2021
103
is it fair to say SD is only good because of Fox?
Apr 16th 2021
102
It’s way better than Raw. I think it’s for several reasons
Apr 16th 2021
104
When they put the effort in, Smackdown ends up the better show
Apr 16th 2021
105
RE: 2 hours + Reigns is the shit
Apr 17th 2021
106
so this is what ive never understood about modern Raw
Apr 18th 2021
109
More or less, but I don’t think they meddle on a reg. basis
Apr 17th 2021
107
this Stone Cold A&E doc is great stuff
Apr 18th 2021
108
Agree. Ya know what I loved about it? It was very honest
Apr 19th 2021
110
maybe cause i lived through it too
Apr 19th 2021
113
      True, maybe it’s just cause he’s so much larger than life. Rock too
Apr 19th 2021
114
           RE: True, maybe it’s just cause he’s so much larger than life. Rock ...
Apr 20th 2021
115
9/10 overall, for what it was
Apr 19th 2021
111
RE: this Stone Cold A&E doc is great stuff
Apr 19th 2021
112

Tiger Woods
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1. "Reigns/Edge/DB is a proper Mania main event"
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I'm going to reserve my cynicism and enjoy it. That match should rip.

If they really want to mint a guy and make their "next Rock", Reigns should retain.

  

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8. "RE: Reigns/Edge/DB is a proper Mania main event"
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>I'm going to reserve my cynicism and enjoy it. That match
>should rip.
>
>If they really want to mint a guy and make their "next Rock",
>Reigns should retain.

You are damn right about this as a main event. Like we say all the time, the builds and weekly shows aren't amazing, but this match is gonna be THE SHIT. It is 3 dudes who were for real forced into some kind of retirement. And now they're all back. That is cool AF for WWE to have this rolling.

They've been trying to redo and outdo the Mania XX main for damn near 20 years now. And Benoit issues aside, that HBK, Haitch, and Benoit is a tough ass 'making someone' moment to follow. Orton, Bluetista, and Bryan at Mania XXX is good times too. And now, they have this joint here. Mighty nice.

The thing here: everyone is already pretty much made, so anyone could win and they could tell whatever story they want to go with it.

  

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2. "I watched NXT for the first time since them Saudi Shows led me to cancel..."
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Man, that show was a blast. We're getting Ciampa vs. goddamned WALTER and this show was losing to AEW in ratings?

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3. "NXT has been solid, but the lack of crowd has killed them"
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Most episodes are good, move the stories along, and push the wrestlers that deserve pushing... but they haven't been able to replicate the feel of the Full Sail crowd. On a podcast I listen to someone pointed out that the all-black mat/ring apron/background look kinda puts you to sleep without a real crowd and I have to agree. In general, I find it more consistent than AEW, but I'm still more excited to watch AEW week-to-week cause the highs are higher.

This card looks great though and I cannot wait for Walter vs. Ciampa. If it's anywhere close to Walter's matches with Ilja, Dunne, or Bate it's gonna be a barnburner.

  

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5. " I thought I loved UE when I was watching. Now I've seen The Way"
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Era was like the Always Sunny Gang to me (Cole=Mac, Strong = Dennis, and sorry Kyle, but you move like a bird.)

But holy shit is Gargano so much fun as the cocky chickenshit heel. And Austin Theory as Kronk? Man, I laughed my ass off when he did that kip-up on the outside to eliminate himself.

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9. "Walter v Ciampa frikkin delivered man"
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That was a better version of Brock v. Balor.

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10. "RE: Walter v Ciampa frikkin delivered man"
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>That was a better version of Brock v. Balor.

WALTER is the shit. He has that best days Taker thing where he goes from slow to go really fuggin fast. And when he takes and registers damage of any kind, it’s a thing. And Ciampa was excellent too. Just pro wrestlers being pros and killing it with the time they were given.

With the commercials and the hard time limit, night 1 felt a tad rushed in parts. The main event felt like they got jacked out of a few minutes on the first watch. Of course, they still killed it by landing the hell out of all of the big spots and telling the story. NXT is still rasslin done right on its best days.

  

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11. "Definitely. I think a few matches got cut a little short"
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>
>With the commercials and the hard time limit, night 1 felt a
>tad rushed in parts. The main event felt like they got jacked
>out of a few minutes on the first watch. Of course, they still
>killed it by landing the hell out of all of the big spots and
>telling the story. NXT is still rasslin done right on its best
>days.

I was surprised when looking at the time that both the tag team match and Women’s title were still to come. It felt like the Ciampa/Walter ending got rushed to fit those in. Either way, all the matches did what they needed to. Thoroughly entertaining show, and after watching AEW this morning it almost feels like they won the Wednesday Night Wars on their way out.

I need my man Kushida to get a legit push though. Just let him get a little run with the NA title and then he can go back to pushing the younger guys.

  

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18. "Kushida/Dunne was up there with the better Takeover openers too"
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That shit was a SPRINT but with psychology.

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12. "never seen Walter but that was a good match"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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15. "you should check out his match with Ilja Dragunov last year"
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or Tyler Bate the previous year. Both were instant classics. Plus he had a long feud with Ilja on the indies that produced some fantastic matches.

  

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4. "Per usual, the PPV will be great even if the build sucks"
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This has been WWE's thing the last few years. Weekly TV is mostly meh to bad, but very few PPVs have disappointed. They threw together a lot of this card in the last couple weeks though, so I'm curious to see what the video packages are like.


>and maybe this
>cracks the door open for something even cooler down the road.

I doubt it. I agree with Punk's take that this just means Vince doesn't really view AEW as a threat. I don't see them doing any real collaboration with an outside company as long as Vince is at the helm.

>
>Will Ospreay is the NJPW mega/ultra/whatever heavyweight champ
>now.

Man, do I hate that title, and on a personal level I hate Ospreay, but I still can't argue with him getting a run as champ. He's an incredible wrestler, a guy you want to boo, and his change in style has been amazing to watch. The DV angle they ran with Bea Priestly was so gross though. They've made a lot of puzzling decisions in the last year and that's the worst. There are so many ways to get heel heat w/o doing shit like that, least of all when both of them were probably guilty of blacklisting an assault victim.

Thank god they cancelled Scurll's appearance at NJPW Strong though.


>I'm AM salty that Ricochet, Street Profits, Nakamura and
>Bayley don't have real spots on Mania week.

I'd rather see Bayley in Ripley's spot tbh. No disrespect to Ripley, but I'd rather they build her up rather than just have her issue a challenge and act heelish in her debut. Bayley is a heel, has history with Asuka, and carried the company for a long period. She deserves the spot.

  

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6. "AEW = NXT"
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i cant imagine there would be a collab because AEW thinks its 1:1 w/ top WWE talent. and WWE wont want to devalue their talent by pretending AEW actually has an equivalent profile.

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7. "RE: Per usual, the PPV will be great even if the build sucks"
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>This has been WWE's thing the last few years. Weekly TV is
>mostly meh to bad, but very few PPVs have disappointed. They
>threw together a lot of this card in the last couple weeks
>though, so I'm curious to see what the video packages are
>like.
>
>
>>and maybe this
>>cracks the door open for something even cooler down the
>road.
>
>I doubt it. I agree with Punk's take that this just means
>Vince doesn't really view AEW as a threat. I don't see them
>doing any real collaboration with an outside company as long
>as Vince is at the helm.
>

OF COURSE VINCE DOESN'T VIEW ANYONE AS A THREAT! Haha.

But I think that's the big thing that could lead to good stuff. WWE is obviously the top dog by an insurmountable amount no matter what any fanperson thinks. But they are also somewhat obviously running fat. They have good azz rasslers who are healthy and not old. And even with Raw, SD, and NXT, there's folks who go months without being involved in anything of even remote note. And we have real deal folks who are not on 4 friggin days of Mania Week rasslin this year.

So, it could be a win/win for a little swapping when either fed has some folks sitting around. They can't do it like AN INVASION. They COULD totally just do a 'hey AEW, take Ricochet for a year. Don't job him out! We'll give you a podcast or 24 documentary on some person. Leggo'.

And I also want to believe that WWE would be very fine with more people watching any kind of wrestling anyway, because they know they're the best and if 100 new folks start watching wrestling, they would 'take' a high percentage of those fans eventually.

>>Will Ospreay is the NJPW mega/ultra/whatever heavyweight
>champ
>>now.
>
>Man, do I hate that title, and on a personal level I hate
>Ospreay, but I still can't argue with him getting a run as
>champ. He's an incredible wrestler, a guy you want to boo, and
>his change in style has been amazing to watch. The DV angle
>they ran with Bea Priestly was so gross though. They've made a
>lot of puzzling decisions in the last year and that's the
>worst. There are so many ways to get heel heat w/o doing shit
>like that, least of all when both of them were probably guilty
>of blacklisting an assault victim.
>
>Thank god they cancelled Scurll's appearance at NJPW Strong
>though.
>

Yeah, NJPW struggles with consistency. WWE and AEW did a number on their roster so there's that too. And their Cena is now old and impressively hurt after a long crazy run as their Ace. And I'm not sure if they have a good next step for Okada either. But I'm glad they're on the scene.

>>I'm AM salty that Ricochet, Street Profits, Nakamura and
>>Bayley don't have real spots on Mania week.
>
>I'd rather see Bayley in Ripley's spot tbh. No disrespect to
>Ripley, but I'd rather they build her up rather than just have
>her issue a challenge and act heelish in her debut. Bayley is
>a heel, has history with Asuka, and carried the company for a
>long period. She deserves the spot.

Oh wow. I hadn't thought about that, but it makes a lot of sense. I'm guessing Bayley was going to get Charlotte.

  

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13. "I'll admit that the top of AEW is a fucking mess right now"
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And by "top," I mean everything having to do with Omega/Young Bucks/Good Brothers.

Like, I don't know what the fuck is going on with the motivations/story-telling in main event last night, but it's all over place. So after now what's fourth months of build-up, the Young Bucks are "back" with the Bullet Club? I don't know why I'm supposed to be mad or even care. Especially since I'm assuming it's still going to be Bucks vs. Good Brothers at the May PPV. So eventually they're going to try again to sell everyone on them falling out AGAIN?

Reminds me of the build-up to Bucks vs. FTR, which also made no sense. However, that resulted in a great match. This? I dunno.

Mostly this convinces me even more than the Pinnacle needs to be at the top of the card. Which I figure happens after May anyway.

Most of the promos last night ran from good to great. Jericho's was all-timer. QT running down Cody was awesome. I liked Death Triangle laughing Best Friends holding a grudge a year later. I'm not happy with them breaking up Team Taz so early, but I am interested in seeing it unfold. I even dug Sting telling Jake and Archer to get their shit together.

But man, do they need to fix whatever is going on with Bucks/Omega/etc.

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14. "that main event was some overbooked nonsense"
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>
>Like, I don't know what the fuck is going on with the
>motivations/story-telling in main event last night, but it's
>all over place. So after now what's fourth months of build-up,
>the Young Bucks are "back" with the Bullet Club? I don't know
>why I'm supposed to be mad or even care.

Also can we stop with the "Young Bucks are conflicted about superkicking someone" shit? You superkick people 1,000 times a show and Kenny has been an asshole to you, just do it.

>Most of the promos last night ran from good to great.
>Jericho's was all-timer. QT running down Cody was awesome.

QT did deliver a good (edited) promo, but I think this faction is gonna sink, and when the big dude threw paint on the logo I laughed my ass off.

I'm not happy with them breaking up Team Taz so
>early, but I am interested in seeing it unfold.

I don't think it's a breakup as much as it is Cage or Ricky going off to do their own thing. I love how much they go at each other. Ricky can talk, so I'm guessing it's him leaving.

I even dug
>Sting telling Jake and Archer to get their shit together.

this was a mess to me. Sting and Lance can't really talk and Jake has lost the ability to give a coherent promo.

  

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16. "RE: that main event was some overbooked nonsense"
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>Also can we stop with the "Young Bucks are conflicted about
>superkicking someone" shit? You superkick people 1,000 times a
>show and Kenny has been an asshole to you, just do it.

But, like, Don Callis played mind games with them last week! So, like psychology! Or something. Whatever. I still don't care.

Only part of this angle I like is the announcers talking about how much they hate Callis. Toss the rest of it in the trash.


>QT did deliver a good (edited) promo, but I think this faction
>is gonna sink, and when the big dude threw paint on the logo I
>laughed my ass off.

I mean, yeah, they are going to be better served fighting and beating the other enhancement on the Dark shows for a bit. But they've struggled with giving Cody something to do since he came back from filming the Go Big Show and Arrow or whatever. This gives him something to work against. And yes, Kamarato throwing the paint on the logo was dumb.


>I don't think it's a breakup as much as it is Cage or Ricky
>going off to do their own thing. I love how much they go at
>each other. Ricky can talk, so I'm guessing it's him leaving.

I could dig that. I think some good matches will come out of it regardless.

>this was a mess to me. Sting and Lance can't really talk and
>Jake has lost the ability to give a coherent promo.

I dunno, Sting telling to stop complaining and interrupting and do something productive was solid. I do agree on Jake's increasing lack of coherence. I feel like literally the only reason he's on the show is that it helps his sobriety.

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17. "It's the funniest thing to me that the Bucks and GBs both think they're"
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the Outsiders of the Bullet Club When they're really like Syxx and Scott Norton. I'll give credit to Anderson for being an OG, but that stable is what it is because of Devitt, Fale and Tama. And it's REAL FUCKIN SUS that Kenny and the Bucks took that fame and ran with it without the AAPI dudes that established the crew.

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19. "I’m of two minds on their BC legacy"
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>the Outsiders of the Bullet Club When they're really like
>Syxx and Scott Norton. I'll give credit to Anderson for being
>an OG, but that stable is what it is because of Devitt, Fale
>and Tama. And it's REAL FUCKIN SUS that Kenny and the Bucks
>took that fame and ran with it without the AAPI dudes that
>established the crew.

Because they undoubtedly made BC more popular and the whole faction got a nice taste of that merch money, which is ultimately the goal. But also I understand why Fale, GoD, and others feel like the Elite took the thing over, didn’t respect what was already established, and continue to trade on the BC name when they see fit. They’re absolutely right about that, and the additions in recent years (White, ELP, Kenta) have added their own thing while not trying to take away from the rest of the group.

  

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20. "Are we enjoying this OReilly/Cole match? "
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Lots of cringe here...or am I hating

  

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21. "that was not for me"
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22. "Except for KOR insisting on wrapping the way too long chain around himse..."
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I dug it.

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23. "RE: Are we enjoying this OReilly/Cole match? "
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>Lots of cringe here...or am I hating

I don't think you're hating.

I love that they did a southern grudge match. It was VERY appropriate for the situation. But the problem with those then and now is like a good funk song: how do you end it? What kind of sequence of moves is 'enough' to have someone job for?

And then you get into stuff where someone is getting hit with a chain 15 times over 30 minutes and it is tough to stay into it unless folks really lay out a great/dramatic match.

And this one had a little HHH Epic match template going for it. You know: a 30-minute match that could've been 21 and the same point would've been made. In general, it is the WWE main event format that I dislike the most..yes, even more than the infinite specials: ON matches that Brock and other 'barely want to work' folks can't stop having.

Also, I think I love Killer/Karrion Kross so much that I was done for the night after he showed up and blunt force trauma'd Balor into the ground so wonderfully. Balor looked great fighting from underneath. Kross looked inevitable in the best way and it was good times.

  

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24. "It was also hurt by the “no color” policy"
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Which, y’know, Trips could have taken the heat for. Someone in a crimson mask would have ratcheted that match up just that extra level.

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25. "I liked it, didn’t love it"
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I thought they were going for an epic and it wasn’t quite there. Balor/Kross probably should’ve headlined.

>Lots of cringe here...or am I hating

I cringed at O’Reilly’s entrance. Anyone else?

  

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26. "Kyle looked like Jimmy Pesto Jr. dancing out his feelings"
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Dude is like an android or alien trying to learn how to move like a human.

Also his entrance hoodie was a rare miss from the Main Event Gear crew. Like, is KOR a really big Demolition fan?

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27. "Wrestlemania weather delay!"
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They just can’t win.

  

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28. "well damn. that was...really good??"
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30. "Sure was, I enjoyed it"
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I can’t say I care about any of these other matches until Banks-Bianca though. Hopefully some of them surprise me.

  

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32. "i definitely skipped the women's match"
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wouldnt have mattered if it were the men, it was the 5 tag teams in one match that sounded like not my cup of tea

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33. "Yeah, those “get everybody on the card” matches are the worst"
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48. "RE: Yeah, those “get everybody on the card” matches are the worst"
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>

Sometimes I appreciate those break matches. It really helps to not get burned out as a fan..especially live.

However, I’m wondering if wwe is gonna to adjust from now on and have shorter shows again. Tonight was like 3 hours. Nxt: both nights combined was like 4.5 hours. Maybe that’s the goal going forward?

  

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29. "Thought I saw Westside Gunn in the crowd celebrating Lashley’s win"
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31. "Excellent opening match! Ive seen better Hoss Fights, but this was very ..."
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Well booked to. Both looked very strong, and both got what they needed to stay strong going forward.

Naturally, Carmela and Lana are up next to kill the momentum.

That said, Billy Kay is, quit literally, gold. So I'm good.

  

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34. "Cesaro and Seth are a great stylistic pairing. I need more of this feud...."
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This was solid. But they can do better. There's another two gears to tap for these two.

  

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35. "in my time away from wrestling i only really feel like i missed out on....."
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the rise of the New Day

thats the ONE thing i wish I'd seen

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38. "they honestly turned shit into gold"
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36. "Shane McMahon >>>>> Kenny Omega"
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idc idc idc

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46. "RE: Shane McMahon >>>>> Kenny Omega"
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>idc idc idc

Shane is a saint for being out there bumping for folks like that in his 50s.

For all of the attention in people’s ages this year, wwe has a lot of 40 and over folks working their asses off in the ring. Lashley, AJ, Edge, and others for examples.

  

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37. "Man give Miz all the respect. Dude made Bunny look like a million bucks"
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Now, Bunny held up his end and worked his ass off.

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59. "Was surprised that he wasn't just the hot tag"
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>Now, Bunny held up his end and worked his ass off.

Credit to all involved. Miz and Morrison were great foils, Bunny's commitment to training showed, and they all got Priest ready for his push.

Bunny didn't just show up for a couple days and work out an easy match, he actually put the work in for months and pulled off some impressive shit. A canadian destroyer outside the ring without breaking the talent's neck? Way more than I thought he'd be able to pull off. Miz and Priest's reactions to that were priceless and Morrison sold the shit out of it. I was thoroughly sports entertained.

  

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39. "that Bianca press spot was different"
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40. "She’s a legitimate athlete. Need an Ironwoman match Belair vs Flair"
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41. "this is easily Sasha's best look ever"
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she must be excited for the new season of Jojo based on the colors

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42. "Jesus that was great!"
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43. "Bianca Belair is a legitimate star "
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Wow was that impressive. There’s nothing wrong with her. She could be Charlotte status in a year.

  

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47. "RE: Bianca Belair is a legitimate star "
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>Wow was that impressive. There’s nothing wrong with her.
>She could be Charlotte status in a year.

Yeah. I’ve been in on her for a while and it’s excellent to see her get her shot to be great. She fucking killed it tonight. They landed everything and she looked like a damn hoss who can do EVERYTHING. Hopefully her and Ford both have a lot of big nights ahead of them in the fed.

It’s crazy to think that Sasha is the only one of the big 4 who is booked at mania this year.

  

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50. "Cole botched the ending BUT"
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I liked that he mentioned it was the first time 2 Black women main evented Wrestlemania. and he said it w/ his whole chest too.

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51. "Yeah. JBL tried his damndest to undercut that fact in he preshow"
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Thankfully Cole highlighted it instead of trying to downplay it.

  

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44. "holy shit that welt. great night overall. "
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granted i was really engaged in it trying to get my friends up to speed on who these people are. they havent watched since ~05 so I threw Mania on the small screen but eventually we swapped it to the TV

they REALLY liked Cesaro. like "surely this guy is one of the top 2-3 guys rn" impressed by him

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45. "RE: holy shit that welt. great night overall. "
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>granted i was really engaged in it trying to get my friends
>up to speed on who these people are. they havent watched since
>~05 so I threw Mania on the small screen but eventually we
>swapped it to the TV
>
>they REALLY liked Cesaro. like "surely this guy is one of the
>top 2-3 guys rn" impressed by him

Him and Rollins worked full speed. That match was sneaky special and I think it’ll age well even if they don’t follow up. It reminds me of what it looked like when Eddie and that whole crew would work with someone they trusted. Same thing with prime Bret and Shawn too.

  

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49. "Only one part timer(McJunior). The current roster carried this."
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Tomorrow can verg easily be more of the same.

In tonight's main event, they minted a certifiable mega star, and solidified the other.

The opener solidified two other current stars.

The celebrity match over delivered, and everyone played their part to perfection.

AJ and Omos had an enjoyable match with New Day- who might be heels now.

No Taker. No Brock. No Hunter or Goldberg.

Just the curent roster, plus one McBligatory McMahon.

And it was very good, from start to finish.

The Woman's Tag Team trainwreck was some Raw shit, but at least Biy Kay kept it entertaining for a few minutes. Everything else was good to great.

They don't need these older, part time guys. I dont count Edge in that, because he's a consistent contributor, not a one off, and he's at a point where his presence has actually energized the product.

Hopefully tomorrow is similar to tonight, and Vince sees that this crop of stars can carry things. And maybe he'll let more of them swim instead of treading water.

  

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52. "RE: Only one part timer(McJunior). The current roster carried this."
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This roster is crazy good. Deep. High range of ages and styles. Men and women.

And even Shane is fine cuz he’s there to fall off of shit and lose at this point. And he did the hell out of that.

I saw a pic that said this was the first mania since 1988 that didn’t have HBK, Haitch, or Taker on the card. Crazy right?

I really enjoyed almost all of the work tonight. Sadly, yeah, that women’s tag was sloppy af. Almost no one came out of it clean.

And they spoiled Bad Bunny being straight ahead awesome by talking about how much he had trained. Imagine if he would’ve just showed up and did all of that shit without anyone saying snl thing! Still, I love dude forever for that match he had and how Miz and Morrison showed an IG amount of ass for him. Good times.

>Tomorrow can verg easily be more of the same.
>
>In tonight's main event, they minted a certifiable mega star,
>and solidified the other.
>
>The opener solidified two other current stars.
>
>The celebrity match over delivered, and everyone played their
>part to perfection.
>
>AJ and Omos had an enjoyable match with New Day- who might be
>heels now.
>
>No Taker. No Brock. No Hunter or Goldberg.
>
>Just the curent roster, plus one McBligatory McMahon.
>
>And it was very good, from start to finish.
>
>The Woman's Tag Team trainwreck was some Raw shit, but at
>least Biy Kay kept it entertaining for a few minutes.
>Everything else was good to great.
>
>They don't need these older, part time guys. I dont count Edge
>in that, because he's a consistent contributor, not a one off,
>and he's at a point where his presence has actually energized
>the product.
>
>Hopefully tomorrow is similar to tonight, and Vince sees that
>this crop of stars can carry things. And maybe he'll let more
>of them swim instead of treading water.
>
>

  

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53. "Yep. If you're going to do. a celebrity match, this is they to do it. "
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Everyone involved deserves a high amount of praise.

But this was a very good Mania ups and down. That 98 stat isn't all that bonkers, because all three guys did some truly great work long after 1998.

Hunter built an immense career after that, helping cement two top tier generational stars in the process.

Shawn's work was so exceptional that you could argue HBK had two separate hall of fame level careers- with his post-98 body of work being superior.

And Taker was already a great character, but also had his best run long after 98.

I think the more appropriate demarcation line is Brock/Taker, because the way Brock dominated the top of the card after that sucked a lot of.air out from the rest of the roster, and it became apparent after that that Hunter and Taker hung on far too long

Vince's myopia with Reigns was another, equally impactful choice. But in my estimatin, the bigger issue by far was Vince's heavy reliance on those old heads at the expense of better developing an exceptionally talented roster into bigger stars.

  

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55. "RE: 88 not 98"
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Mania 4/not Mania 14. We’re talking Savage winning the title via tournament Mania, not SCSA/Bad back HBK/Tyson mania.

I’m with you about Brock. They did a bad job of booking his lack of existence on the shows. So it just looked like their champ had better shit to do than be on weekly tv. That’s a bad look for the whole rest of the roster. And shit, he was even skipping PPVs with no explanation at all. That’s total bullshit and I hope they never let that go down with anybody on a regular basis again.

The thing now: folks are getting breaks/time off/periods of disappearance. The roster is big enough and there’s no house shows so it works. And if people come back in-shape and ready to roll after a few months away, this can work out great. Rollins, Reigns, Strowman have all done it and had it go pretty well. Even Lashley and Drew McIntyre were on the low for a bit before hitting their strides.

One time for MVP too. He showed up and helped Lashley bigtime. I love them together and I’m scurred of the day when they break that all the way up.

Besides that, I hope they shit or get off the pot with a few folks who currently aren’t doing much. Ricochet is my main one. He’s in his 30s and could be somewhere doing cool shit. Aliester Black is another. And after seeing Damien Priest last night, maybe they can just let Black go altogether whenever he’s healthy cuz they’re similar. We have enough rasslin companies now that folks like that might be better off pulling a McIntyre..going around the world working, improving and getting big spots on cards before coming back to WWE to finish up. AJ Styles did the same thing after finally leaving TNA too. They’re good examples that there’s no need to sit in WWE catering for years and/or get turned into a Ziggler, who is just dead no matter what he does now cuz it’s so crystal clear that he’s not it for WWE at all.

>Everyone involved deserves a high amount of praise.
>
>But this was a very good Mania ups and down. That 98 stat
>isn't all that bonkers, because all three guys did some truly
>great work long after 1998.
>
>Hunter built an immense career after that, helping cement two
>top tier generational stars in the process.
>
>Shawn's work was so exceptional that you could argue HBK had
>two separate hall of fame level careers- with his post-98 body
>of work being superior.
>
>And Taker was already a great character, but also had his best
>run long after 98.
>
>I think the more appropriate demarcation line is Brock/Taker,
>because the way Brock dominated the top of the card after that
>sucked a lot of.air out from the rest of the roster, and it
>became apparent after that that Hunter and Taker hung on far
>too long
>
>Vince's myopia with Reigns was another, equally impactful
>choice. But in my estimatin, the bigger issue by far was
>Vince's heavy reliance on those old heads at the expense of
>better developing an exceptionally talented roster into bigger
>stars.
>

  

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54. "Solid bunch of matches with an incredible main event"
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I was zooming with a few friends and we were chatting the whole time up till the last match. We were mostly silent during Banks/Belair cause none of us wanted to miss a single move.

Rain delay really could’ve ruined the mood for this show so credit to the wrestlers for pulling it together, cause it felt like some of them had to shave a few minutes off their matches. Only the women’s tag match felt like they were rushing through a script.

  

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56. "RE: Solid bunch of matches with an incredible main event"
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>I was zooming with a few friends and we were chatting the
>whole time up till the last match. We were mostly silent
>during Banks/Belair cause none of us wanted to miss a single
>move.
>
>Rain delay really could’ve ruined the mood for this show so
>credit to the wrestlers for pulling it together, cause it felt
>like some of them had to shave a few minutes off their
>matches. Only the women’s tag match felt like they were
>rushing through a script.

The thing I loved about the rain delay? The random ass interviews they did to fill time. It was EXCELLENT to see some of those folks getting to talk and vamp. It let me know that some of those folks could totally do good stuff if they got the freedom to talk with a couple of bullet points and no scripts.

And man, I can’t say enough about Belair. She’s just goddamn excellent. She’s gonna be a fun/good match machine for years to come it seems. She’s like the dream of Naomi more fully realized. Or, at the risk of blasphemy, a more clean-working/less green young Charlotte Flair. Whatever, she’s awesome, I love her, and I hope she’s big shit and important for years to come. I saw her and Sasha damn near about to cry it up at the beginning. I’ll allow it!

It’s crazy to me how WWE has almost obviously decided to throw their belts on some of their best athletes/biggest ‘looking’ folks. Aka look at the champs..it’s almost all hosses. It’s a great way to differentiate themselves from any other company in the world. They’re obviously the top dog by many many many miles but, to me, it’s smart of them to do this too while they are at it. It seems like a deliberate decision too. Am I crazy?

  

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57. "RE: Solid bunch of matches with an incredible main event"
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I saw her and Sasha damn near
>about to cry it up at the beginning. I’ll allow it!
>

I love that they were able to have that moment and then get down to business with Sasha going full heel.

They’re obviously the top
>dog by many many many miles but, to me, it’s smart of them
>to do this too while they are at it. It seems like a
>deliberate decision too. Am I crazy?

I don't know that they think about it in terms of their competition, but I think it's deliberate to have champs that a casual viewer will be impressed by their physique AND moveset (no offense to the guy, but it doesn't work with a guy like Khali). It's great to have smaller underdog types of course, but there's only a handful who can stand across the ring from Reigns or Lesnar and look like they belong/have a shot at winning.

  

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58. "They know exactly what they are doing"
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When Bobby Lashley walked out I asked my lady who she thought would win in a Lashley-Kenny Omega fight, and she just started laughing

She only stuck around for that match, but after being on the periphery of AEW for a year and a half, she commented on the visual contrast more than once.

>It’s crazy to me how WWE has almost obviously decided to
>throw their belts on some of their best athletes/biggest
>‘looking’ folks. Aka look at the champs..it’s almost all
>hosses. It’s a great way to differentiate themselves from
>any other company in the world. They’re obviously the top
>dog by many many many miles but, to me, it’s smart of them
>to do this too while they are at it. It seems like a
>deliberate decision too. Am I crazy?

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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60. "Fiend/Orton should’ve been 10x more special than THAT"
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What a mess. How do you build to a match for like 6 months and deliver THAT debacle?

  

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61. "Wyatt always underdelivers"
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The gimmick is beyond stupid. I hate that supernatural nonsense.

And now Alexa can never credibly go back to a “normal” gimmick, so she’s all done.

  

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63. "A guy with a reputation for underdelivering"
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versus a guy with a reputation for half adding is a bad combination.

Fiend or no Fiend.

And the Fiend sucks so that doesn't help.

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79. "Yeah but Randy only half asses when he dislikes the program"
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>versus a guy with a reputation for half adding is a bad
>combination.
>

And he has seemed super invested in this program IMO. This was a letdown.

  

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66. "RE: Fiend/Orton should’ve been 10x more special than THAT"
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>What a mess. How do you build to a match for like 6 months
>and deliver THAT debacle?

Whoever was the agent for that match needs their ass kicked. And that shit had NO business going on first tonight. None at all.

I get it, Bray is a big stories guy. But fuck this! He’s building a set of Starrcade 97-level bad payoffs for feuds. I’m getting the point where I’m done with dude all the way. Kinda like I’m done with Ziggler cuz WWE doesn’t care about him and I kinda think he’s a bitch for staying through it all instead of rolling out and proving folks wrong.

  

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62. "tonight a dud 3 matches in..."
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Sami/Owens was better than the first two but there's no reason for you to be invested in it either way

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64. "Riddle and Sheamus was fan-fucking-tastic. "
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1st two matches were trash. KO/Zayn was solid, but the way this match was building, it needed 5 more mins to get *there*.

As has been mentioned, there wasn't much reason to invest in it, but they delivered a solid match. But it went home right when it felt like were going to get a crescendo.

Riddle and Sheamus though? They set a very high bar for the rest of the night. Off top, this was the second best match of the weekend. I liked Cesaro/Rollins, but I felt like they left a gear or two in the tank. This match up the ante on that one considerably.


Star making performance by Riddle.

  

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65. "I’m beyond sick of the flipping for no reason"
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So when Riddle flipped himself into the ring for no reason, right into a knee into the face - I was howling.

Then the match ended with him flipping into a brogue kick. Hilarious. I loved it.

  

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69. "i think the shit riddle did was fantastic. none of it was flipping for t..."
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He's a very dynamic performer. He's athletic as hell, and can work a very physical style at the same time.

Most flippity-flip, DIVE! Type guys can't also go hoss up like he can.

I can't stand the whole Bro gimmick, but he can fucking GO in that ring. He's got a very unique style and his flipping didn't co.e across as arbitrary at all to me.

Sheamus, despite having a bland character, is one of the best Hoss' to place lace em up. Seriously, he's got a pretty impressive catalong of those. Work wise, he's a top shelf big man, so much so that I'd argue that he's the Curt Hennig of Hoss fights, but without the acclaim due largely to a rather bland character. I dig the recent gear change, though he abandoned that tonight for whatever reason.

Even if he's not quite *that* he's still among the best ever on a Hoss work scale.

And Riddle went toe to toe with him on that, and added a lot of movement and athleticism to the mix. Everything he did tonight was great.

  

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67. "Asuka/Rhea is cracking"
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68. "They’ve got some real WORKRATE studs in the women’s division rn "
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Charlotte
Bianca Belair
Sasha Banks
Asuka
Rhea Ripley

  

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78. "RE: They’ve got some real WORKRATE studs in the women’s division rn "
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>Charlotte
>Bianca Belair
>Sasha Banks
>Asuka
>Rhea Ripley
>
>

And then there’s like 5-10 other folks who can easily step in and go too. And then there’s Rousey who can at minimum get her Sting/Luger 89 on and be hella useful.

This was a glorious weekend for women’s singles matches and yeah, I ain’t going nowhere during women’s matches unless it’s tag team shit with folks who pretty much can’t go and Shayna trying to good wrestle for 4 damn near alone.

I’m guessing whatever is up with Charlotte screwed Bayley out of having a match. That part sucks but I’m guessing they’ll do right by her during the summer and she’ll deliver the goods.

  

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70. "Final Form Reigns, man did they salvage this guy or what?"
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Let’s his music rock for 30 seconds before he steps out, expressionless

  

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72. "Yep. one of the consistently best executed heel runs in recent memory "
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I alsays thought he had this in him though, and to that end I thi k the thing that they salvaged was their own horrible creative for his face iteration.

  

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71. "Bayley usage this weekend is disrespectful to her "
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work over the last year being one of the folks carrying this sorry ass program through a pandemic

she better than being slung around by the washed Bellas

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80. "Ugh, I hated it"
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>work over the last year being one of the folks carrying this
>sorry ass program through a pandemic
>
>she better than being slung around by the washed Bellas

She deserved a singles match and instead she gets made fun of by everyone and easily beat up by the Bellas.

  

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73. "Edge's face looks like he's working for a hot meal and weekend motel st..."
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74. "and he retains hahahaha , totally the best move "
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75. "Main Event was great"
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fitting end for the year he has had but I am so ready to move off Roman Reigns onto something else.

this dude shouldnt even be able to lift his arms up all of the submissions he ate.

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76. "Yo this watch along shit is trash"
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What the fuck is this panel supposed to be?

This shit seems like the sort of panel you'd get on Bravo or VH1 or some shit after Love And Hip Hop or whatever. Maybe one of those esports tournaments for Call Of Duty or some shit.The CW Network Aftershow, perhaps. Dont know, but this ain't i

Props for getting Oshea on but yeah, this panel can kick rocks as a n wrestling aftershow.

  

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77. "In all, a really solid Mania weekend anchored by 2 all timer main events"
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We’ve covered the Bianca Belair match and moment already. I just didn’t see that coming , but the WWE must have to give her such a push and put her on last at Mania. Such an obvious superstar...if she’s the female centerpiece of Smackdown opposite Roman, you’ve got a strong foundation for what’s now your A show, by way of the Fox deal and the ascent of Reigns.

At long last, Reigns is at the god-level he deserves. Small tweaks have resulted in a big difference. There’s no going back from this either...even when he turns babyface he needs to keep this aesthetic and demeanor. Attitude-wise he’s the child of Cena and Batista, albeit with 5x the athleticism of either of those guys. As it stands there’s nothing wrong with him. Of COURSE he should beat two aging and injured veterans - he’s in his prime and from the most distinguished bloodline in the sport, while Edge and Bryan are lovable but almost washed and fueled by pride and desperation.

Not only was the match phenomenal, but You have to appreciate the idea that for all of their efforts “The Tribal Chief” remains inevitable. The challenge here is he needs a dance partner for the long term and I don’t know who that is yet. The obvious answer is Big E, but he’s a way away and I need to be convinced that he wants that status as much as everyone else wants it for him.

The guy who’s definitely NOT coming out of Mania for the better is Bray Wyatt, easily the biggest loser of the weekend. I don’t hate the supernatural stuff because I think it’s important that your show has something for everyone and that a person flipping the channels could land on the Fiend on a Monday night and get pulled in. But, man, at some point you just have to go out and have a good match. I’d forgotten about the red light effect so they already had that working against them, and then the finish was an all time wet fart of an ending. This will deservedly be remembered as one of the very worst Mania matches of all time.

For the skillset alone, Wyatt should be perceived as being on the same tier as McIntyre and Reigns, but the pursuit of that status seems futile now.
I don’t know how much input he had in that end, but I think Bray Wyatt really needs to think about taking greater agency of his on screen likeness...no “top guy” in the company has been such a consistent victim of A/B booking and overwriting.

In all though I was entertained a boat load. I even got a kick out of Bad Bunny tbh. Asuka/Ripley was close to being special too.

  

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82. "After sleeping on it..."
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Put me down for being completely done with Bray Wyatt for a good long while. And this isn't the first time, but maaaaaaaaan! I'm annoyed with dude.

He keeps showing up looking NOT in-shape for one. And if we're being real, this last year was probably the best year for any wrestler to get/be in-shape. Far less shows. Far less travel. It basically just comes down to if you had a place to workout at and if you were interested in doing that and eating sensible dinners. IE: Look at Reigns, Edge, Belair, and several other folks from this WWE weekend of rasslin. Then, go look at Bray with spanx on when he's barely had to work any matches at all this year. MAYBE he's still hurt somehow? I dunno.

And then, if that's not enough, he is openly horrible at paying off feuds. Sometimes I agree that he just loses at the wrong time and gets killed off. Other times, he gets far too wrapped up in squirrelly bs and not nearly wrapped up enough in making sure that the matches have the proper tone and pace to them based on the story that has been told. He's done this a lot and I don't know if it is totally his fault or not, but I'm done with it. He's getting to be worst days WCW Hogan bad at this. He hasn't hit a finger poke of doom yet but he's inching closer and closer. And I'm gonna go hard no on the concept of him being in the class with any of WWE's good hoss rasslers cuz just no...he's not. Almost none of his stuff hits like those dudes.



>We’ve covered the Bianca Belair match and moment already. I
>just didn’t see that coming , but the WWE must have to give
>her such a push and put her on last at Mania. Such an obvious
>superstar...if she’s the female centerpiece of Smackdown
>opposite Roman, you’ve got a strong foundation for what’s
>now your A show, by way of the Fox deal and the ascent of
>Reigns.
>
>At long last, Reigns is at the god-level he deserves. Small
>tweaks have resulted in a big difference. There’s no going
>back from this either...even when he turns babyface he needs
>to keep this aesthetic and demeanor. Attitude-wise he’s the
>child of Cena and Batista, albeit with 5x the athleticism of
>either of those guys. As it stands there’s nothing wrong
>with him. Of COURSE he should beat two aging and injured
>veterans - he’s in his prime and from the most distinguished
>bloodline in the sport, while Edge and Bryan are lovable but
>almost washed and fueled by pride and desperation.
>
>Not only was the match phenomenal, but You have to appreciate
>the idea that for all of their efforts “The Tribal Chief”
>remains inevitable. The challenge here is he needs a dance
>partner for the long term and I don’t know who that is yet.
>The obvious answer is Big E, but he’s a way away and I need
>to be convinced that he wants that status as much as everyone
>else wants it for him.
>
>The guy who’s definitely NOT coming out of Mania for the
>better is Bray Wyatt, easily the biggest loser of the weekend.
>I don’t hate the supernatural stuff because I think it’s
>important that your show has something for everyone and that a
>person flipping the channels could land on the Fiend on a
>Monday night and get pulled in. But, man, at some point you
>just have to go out and have a good match. I’d forgotten
>about the red light effect so they already had that working
>against them, and then the finish was an all time wet fart of
>an ending. This will deservedly be remembered as one of the
>very worst Mania matches of all time.
>
>For the skillset alone, Wyatt should be perceived as being on
>the same tier as McIntyre and Reigns, but the pursuit of that
>status seems futile now.
>I don’t know how much input he had in that end, but I think
>Bray Wyatt really needs to think about taking greater agency
>of his on screen likeness...no “top guy” in the company
>has been such a consistent victim of A/B booking and
>overwriting.
>
>In all though I was entertained a boat load. I even got a kick
>out of Bad Bunny tbh. Asuka/Ripley was close to being special
>too.
>

  

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81. "Exactly the way the night needed to end"
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I was a little surprised at how even the betting odds were between Reigns, Edge, and Bryan. To me this clearly should be Reigns’ night unless they thought they could recapture the magic of WM 30. Edge going over just didn’t make much sense to me. It’s a fine story in the moment, but I don’t really see where you go from there that’s worth sacrificing Reigns’ title run.

Roman is finally the dominant badass they were telling us he was as a face. I hope he carries it till next Mania.

Overall, I didn’t really enjoy Night 2. Maybe my expectations were too high after Night 1, but the night started with a couple stinkers and struggled to make an impression after that. Some really good matches and fun moments, but I was always comparing it to Night 1 in my head.

  

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83. "Mania Week: Good times"
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NXT being a combined 4.5 hours? This was cool. I don't know how well it would work financially as a fan when trying to attend a Mania week in person, but as a person watching at home, it felt much better than these Marathon Manias that have been going down over the last few years.

My love for Killer Kross is documented. I dig his whole thing and he's gonna be a hard person to beat. And he fits right into the hoss generation thing WWE has going.

Don't nobody say nuthin bad about WALTER. He's basically my Mrs. Jenkins. That mfer MOVES when the time comes and when he hits a move, IT FUCKING HITS. Love him. Yet another WWE hoss.

As for Mania:

Like we all keep saying, Night 1 was a party. I'll get wild and say Night 1 alone ranks at least in the top half of all Manias. Yeah, I'll stand with that..top 15 or so? Yeah..the shit was grand. Killer opener, one shaky cooldown match that might get some folks sent to back to the PC, and a killer women's main event with a new star getting made and an established star being cemented as someone who is big enough to make someone else. And Shane showed up to fall off of something and lose. And they got it all in under 4 hours even with a half-hour of delays and at least another half an hour of breaks and bs that allowed me to go grab a sandwich or a bathroom break.

To me, it seemed like someone in the back cussed a lot after the first hour of Night 2 and everyone after came out with pep all up in their steps. But there's no way around it: that first hour was HORRIBLE. 30 minutes of bullshit for that wet fart lame ass opener that basically no one could vouch for in Orton/Wyatt..that shit was bad enough that Bray might get shelved and I wouldn't care while Orton has to tiptoe back to Edge or a tag team maybe. And then, the tag match was fine enough, but it was supposed to be a cooldown match. But they got handed maybe the coldest crowd a 2nd match has gotten in the last decade since this was the format. Really really bad.

But then Sami and Owens came out and did a match that they'll be able to do together 20 years from now because they're so fucking excellent at rasslin. I hope they finally get a big shit moment one of these years so that they can throw out EVERYTHING they can do (Brainbustaaaaaaaaaahhh!) and make it clear to the few who still don't know that they are top shelf workers. We talk about stealing shows a lot. I'll say that Sami and Kevin SAVED this show and allowed the rest of the badass hossery we got for the last 2 hours to shine. Sheamus and Bro killed it. RR and Asuka did well. Big E and Crews validated their spots on the card (I hope Big E main events in the next few years).

And that mfin main event was a showdown for that azz. Another match that will probably age super well and rank really high on lists years from now. It was historically PHYSICAL. Reigns went through as much hell as you could without Taker/Kane around. He got some help from Uce Uno as expected. And he made it out of there with his belt after basically having to kill Bryan and Edge to do it. Everyone looked legendary and excellent. And bonus: anyone could've won and it would've been credible. We don't always get that in our main events. I'll take it. I also love that the 'older' guys played their roles to the max and then BOTH laid down like adults when the time came. We don't always get that either. I love it more and more every time I think about it.

Side: Jericho Interview

I watched the shit out of it Sunday afternoon. I'm a sucker for those types of interviews anyway so maybe I'm not the right one to ask but I liked it. It felt honest enough, Jericho didn't overly shill for any company, and I left it with an impression of how Jericho has seen the whole rasslin situation at several key times. He's openly high on himself and its easy to want to give him the business for that, but really...that SOB has had a helluva career and he's managed to be very good and important in a lot of ways for a really long time. He's fading now but its fine. He's still basically a miracle at his size. My money was on Eddie and Benoit being something like what Jericho ended up being. OOPS. Still, Y2J has made good and our wrestling worlds are better with him than without. He has managed his relationships well enough that he can show up anywhere. I like that better than the alternative: some salty dude who was great but basically can't show up anywhere ever because of burned bridges.

  

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84. "Sheamus/Riddle really needs more shine. They killed it."
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And Riddle got made last night, IMO.

He's a little smaller, but he showed that he can have an A-grade Hoss Fight with a Boss-grade Hoss.

Yeah, I actually typed that shit, lmao.

I think Sheamus is sort of cursed with a relatively bland personality. But I've sung his praises for years on this, he's as good as big men get in this business. He'd be a very believable opponent for Brock, if they actually allowed him to be. He's had a handful of top-shelf Hoss brawls that are believable, hard hitting, and high quality matches.

No ladders or chairs needed, just a guy that will beat the ever loving dog shit out of someone- and who can also take that beating in return.

Guys like Road Warriors, who were as over as over gets in their territory, could believably beat the piss out of people, but nowhere near the level of work rate as Sheamus. Even his top rope moves are power based. Put him in with any hoss, from any era, at any time, and he's as good or better.

His persona is another story, but he's a top shelf worker IMO.

And for Riddle, at his size, to put on a match that brutal, with a guy like Sheamus- and to dish out equally hard hitting offense like that? He deserves serious praise for that. And I hope the fans, and brass, took notice.

The two main events rightly get their due. But this match was on par with those, work wise. Sheamus/Riddle lacks the extra story and character beats that made those matches the timeless, instant classics they are. But the work itself? holy hell. Fantastic.

  

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86. "RE: Sheamus/Riddle really needs more shine. They killed it."
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YES!

This was a great weekend to clear up any doubts anyone may have about WWE's roster: it's still ridiculously good and deep. Nobody nowhere can fuck with it at all (and I'm a person who loves that there's a bunch of companies functioning again). And it is still getting better. Seeing the belts make it onto some folks who are on their way up was really great too.

You beat the drum for Fella Sheamus and I'm with you. To me, he's one of the hosses that made WWE feel like they needed more hosses everywhere on their card. Kinda like Daniel Bryan was a smaller guy in a long line of smaller guys who helped get other smaller guys a look from WWE (Balor for instance). But now it just happens to be a full-on hoss era looking around the card. These hoss dudes, IMO, are well on their way to putting Brock out of business for the most part. I'm fine with this honestly. And of course, WWE is smart to do this on-purpose if that's what they're going for.

The rumor for a while was that Sheamus had heat with other workers for being TOO stiff. Makes sense!

I was telling some buddies that Sheamus hossed himself onto the Mania card with the stuff he did with McIntyre on Raw. Little did I know, he hossed himself into a title. Well deserved!

I'm also with you on the character being a little lame, but all he has to do is win a few matches, call some folks fella, and be treated seriously to do well.

And yeah, Riddle has that goofy character (Kurt Angle but far less funny) but he's a damn hoss too. And I think they know. With that, when the time is right, they're gonna make it even more obvious and he's gonna be good times and big shit. I mean regularly being in main events/big spots. It was the same way in the indies when he was in Catch Point with Drew Gulak and that crew 5 years ago. I went to an indie show during Mania 32 weekend and Riddle was roughly the most over dude on the show. And he basically only said 'bro' and made faces. And, like now, his ring work was hoss shit.

I also Youtube rabbit hole'd my way into seeing some title match with him and Keith Lee that probably got them both hired! Haha.


>And Riddle got made last night, IMO.
>
>He's a little smaller, but he showed that he can have an
>A-grade Hoss Fight with a Boss-grade Hoss.
>
>Yeah, I actually typed that shit, lmao.
>
>I think Sheamus is sort of cursed with a relatively bland
>personality. But I've sung his praises for years on this, he's
>as good as big men get in this business. He'd be a very
>believable opponent for Brock, if they actually allowed him to
>be. He's had a handful of top-shelf Hoss brawls that are
>believable, hard hitting, and high quality matches.
>
>No ladders or chairs needed, just a guy that will beat the
>ever loving dog shit out of someone- and who can also take
>that beating in return.
>
>Guys like Road Warriors, who were as over as over gets in
>their territory, could believably beat the piss out of people,
>but nowhere near the level of work rate as Sheamus. Even his
>top rope moves are power based. Put him in with any hoss, from
>any era, at any time, and he's as good or better.
>
>His persona is another story, but he's a top shelf worker IMO.
>
>
>And for Riddle, at his size, to put on a match that brutal,
>with a guy like Sheamus- and to dish out equally hard hitting
>offense like that? He deserves serious praise for that. And I
>hope the fans, and brass, took notice.
>
>The two main events rightly get their due. But this match was
>on par with those, work wise. Sheamus/Riddle lacks the extra
>story and character beats that made those matches the
>timeless, instant classics they are. But the work itself? holy
>hell. Fantastic.

  

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87. "I think Riddle's one of the more unique workers in a long time. "
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As I was lamenting above, one of the things that makes him special is his size. He's not a big man, and he seems like he's in that HBK territory in terms of size and build, and he can do athletic things in the realm of traditional cruiserweights without the spectacle of being a huge man that can do backflips.

Instead, he's the reverse, the mid-sized guy who does backflips and wild shit from the ropes.... and can physically go toe to toe with the most brutal big men in the game.

Benoit was a smaller guy who could work strong like that, but not with that freakish athleticism.

Eddie might be the best comp here, though the two are stylistically different, but I don't recall Eddie quite this physical.

I think that Angle comparison is pretty apt.

The other thing is, to add to your praise of the current Hoss roster, is that I think these types of hard hitting matches are ultimately a bigger and better, more sustainable draw than the Attitude Era crash tv/ECW lite approach. Those matches have their place, but I'll take this, KO/Sami, and Rollins/Cesaro, all day, everyday.

Also... can you imagine a Cesaro/Riddle tag team?

  

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90. "Thought it was sloppy and so so"
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Some of Riddle’s kicks were missing by a mile but being sold anyway. The big spot got botched. Riddle is clearly very athletic, but that character is awful.

I still don’t know why he flipped himself into the ring only to eat a knee. Just....get in the ring normally? What would the benefit of the flip have been. I hate flips, lol.

  

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85. "I think half of the problem with the Fiend matches is just lighting"
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it's not the only issue, but christ, it is so difficult to look at.

  

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88. "RE: I think half of the problem with the Fiend matches is just lighting"
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>it's not the only issue, but christ, it is so difficult to
>look at.

It doesn't help.

There's lots of things. To me, the number one thing is that the pace of the matches are just wrong. He's supposed to be spooky and everpowerful but his matches almost never actually feel spooky. Or frantic. Or stressful in any way. Old Taker matches could get into this issue sometimes too but even with that, Taker would mess around and walk a rope, roll his eyse, do a dive, or at least sling out that badass flying clothesline he had. Or he'd get that apron leg drop during an era where folks weren't doing apron moves on half the matches at least. Then, once he added chokeslams, a powerbomb, a submission, the lie that he was some kind of major striker so that a few rib punches was a big deal, all of that? Shiiiid!

And when Taker hit your ass with that no-sell situp, the opponent would be like 'aww damnit!' and it would work about every time.

Bray is out here doing dramaless no-sells that don't lead to anything good.

AND

He lacks pick up the pace spots or 'oh, it's on NOW!' moves. Maybe he has the airless crossbody that isn't bad. But that about it. I'm not into the standing Rock Bottom even when he hits it right.

AND

He's having horrible/goofy match endings too!? C'mon mane!!!

And if that's not enough, he has the elaborate/slow/lots of cooperation needed finisher when he's not going with the claw or at least the 'gotcha bitch!' version of the Sister Abigail. And he's doing it in situations where he hasn't delivered anywhere near enough punishment for it to make sense that someone would stand around and let a mfer kiss their foreheads before eating the finisher. Meanwhile, most of the better workers on the roster are doing 'oops pow surprise!' striking finishers, big slams, and/or submissions.

Even with all of this hate in his direction, he could be fixed. Get in shape. Get about 5 moves that fit with the character being powerful and/or dangerous. Throat chop. Eddie Gilbert-style hotshot throat on the rope. Animal powerslam. Gutbuster. Dustin Rhodes falldown punch (but to the throat). SOMETHING! Quicker finisher. And easy on the silly finishes. You know it's bad when Broken Matt Hardy Cinematic matches generally had more viable match endings.

  

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89. "i cant make heads or tails of Bray shit in general"
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although i do know im in the very small minority of liking the red lighting over the whole match

but i feel like there's a massive tug of war behind the scenes on this storyline because they never actually fully explore any of the fun shit that comes from this.

I probably mentioned it at the time but I really think the way they fumbled the Wyatt family and his wave then, he would never fully recover from it

that mania match I have no idea how that gets to air. at no point does anyone point out that there's no resolution, or progression to the story. and because you end it w/ a tease sort of vibe w/ them staring at each other it pisses us off even more.

its just not coming together with him and he feels further off now than ever.

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91. "Roster is great, Raw is not"
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I figure they didn’t want to do a bunch of debuts this time. Maybe they didn’t have em ready. This is fine.

Charlotte’s promo was supposed to be the big shit of the show I’d guess. And it would’ve hit better with a crowd but she could’ve laid it in more snug per my ears. She did ring the bell with the ‘stop your favorites..’ shit. She said that shit like she read it online herself and got pissed about it. And I don’t know how she’s gonna do much of anything in that getup she wore. Maybe she’ll stop the moonsaults tho!

The opening was good times but they didn’t give Bro enough run. And it seemed like Lashley was taking some liberties with him..hopefully they had some agreements. And hopefully Bro getting that match was a good sign and not a bad one.

The triple threat was okay enough but they have some nerve running a triple threat right after the mania main event was so great.

I hate it for RR that she seemed to be the culprit for a gang of blown spots in the match tonight. Shit happens. Hopefully she doesn’t make it a habit. She didn’t seem blown up per se but damn girl!

And you know damn well I lost it over everything related to Wyatt/Orton. Everyone just moves onto the next shit the day after!? After all of that!? And Orton is cool to slide into a title shot match!? https://youtu.be/Ht9-x4s-W7M

Women’s tag stuff is still going rough.

And it seemed like there were too many mania winners not around on raw. Maybe I’m exaggerating that in my mind.

I get that Mania is a high ass high and coming down to the Raw after is always gonna be tough. But this shit tonight felt like a crash landing from a good ass mania.

I can also say with confidence that I’m not wanting to go any Raw after mania. I’d much rather make sure I’m at both nxt shows and some indy show in between nxt and mania.

>We have a 2-night NXT starting tonight.
>
>We have a 2-night Mania starting Saturday.
>
>We have a Jericho interview on WWE Network this weekend too.
>Oh hush, it is good for everyone if rasslin companies are less
>salty with one another. We all know that Jericho has been at
>it for 30-ish years, he's been everywhere, and maybe this
>cracks the door open for something even cooler down the road.
>
>Will Ospreay is the NJPW mega/ultra/whatever heavyweight champ
>now. Meanwhile, Ricochet, a man who can also do many elaborate
>flips, is in catering at WWE. Speaking of something cool,
>maybe WWE should just give Ricochet to AEW..the same way they
>ALLEGEDLY gave Christian Cage to TNA in exchange for Flair
>getting to do the HOF that one time.
>
>I'm AM salty that Ricochet, Street Profits, Nakamura and
>Bayley don't have real spots on Mania week. There's about to
>be like 15 hours of WWE rasslin this week and they couldn't
>find anything for these folks to do? At least with Charlotte,
>there's COVID and other shenanigans to point to.
>
>BUT
>
>There should still be lots of good stuff this week, so sift
>through it and enjoy yoself!

  

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92. "it's just fascinating"
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you watch Wrestlemania and it's a smorgasbord of the senses. It's 10 times more elaborate of a production than anything else we have in pop culture...it's like the Dangerous tour on steroids

and then, they get back to Raw and it's pretty clear they put the show together the day-of?

Like, if the WWE sold tomorrow to Disney or WME or whoever wouldn't Vince bag like $5 Billion?

It's remarkable really that this global entertainment enterprise, who puts on a spectacle as massive as Wrestlemania, who's valued in the billions, who's sitting on what is easily the most talented roster they've ever had...is this rudderless

  

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93. "RE: it's just fascinating"
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>
>you watch Wrestlemania and it's a smorgasbord of the senses.
>It's 10 times more elaborate of a production than anything
>else we have in pop culture...it's like the Dangerous tour on
>steroids
>
>and then, they get back to Raw and it's pretty clear they put
>the show together the day-of?
>
>Like, if the WWE sold tomorrow to Disney or WME or whoever
>wouldn't Vince bag like $5 Billion?
>
>It's remarkable really that this global entertainment
>enterprise, who puts on a spectacle as massive as
>Wrestlemania, who's valued in the billions, who's sitting on
>what is easily the most talented roster they've ever had...is
>this rudderless

I'm not sure that they should've put in a new announce team for it either.

Not having a crowd was a notable difference too.

But I'm with you. I do not understand why they would purposely sandbag their own show to this degree. And yes, I think they know these shows aren't anywhere near as good as their PPVs and some of it is deliberate. But I also think that they don't get how much that kills off some of their talent.

Either way, I don't know how they don't appreciate how important their 'coming out of a big show' shows are. A good/frantic/fun RAW after Mania could set them up to have a reasonably excited fanbase into the summer as they continue to tell their stories.

The Raw I just saw put me in the frame of mind to tune out of Raw again until around Summerfest on everything that isn't Lashley-related.

I get that they can't overdo it and risk creating a show that they can't duplicate every week. AKA 'killing the territory' by burning through all of their good matches and stories too fast. But there was so much 'this shouldn't be able to make it onto any Raw' type stuff that it drove me crazy even with fast-forwarding.

And if Mania is super important, I don't appreciate not having more focus on every person who won their matches. Maybe I wanted too much coming out of a good Mania, WWE just does what they do no matter what, and it is up to me to recognize when I need to be in on it (NXT, a lil Smackdown, and PPVs) and when I need to ignore them. IE: I was already mostly skipping Raw outside of occasional look-ins to know who is mad at who. I should probably continue that unless I want to end up hating the best roster they've ever had. It's not fair to them cuz the rasslers are mostly top shelf. The show's philosophy/ridiculous inefficiency is the problem.

  

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94. "I think they made a mistake in how the Raw champs played at Mania too"
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Rhea was crowned a new champion, but on the undercard

Lashley retained, but on the first match of the weekend

Fiend/Orton was a disaster

Those are your three biggest programs on your flagship show


Smackdown has organically become the A show, just cause it's on network television and features Reigns, the most important performer they've had since Cena. Look at the weekend Smackdown had:

Edge/Bryan/Reigns had an all time main event Sunday

Sasha/Belair had an all time main event Saturday and minted a new female star

  

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95. "seen a few things about Rhea that worry me for her"
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not because of her but because the E aint exactly known for being the most supportive and sensitive work environment and she needs it. at least not on the main roster. the NXT folks really threw their arms around her. hopefully a Sasha or someone will take her under her wing and can help her get her main roster footing.

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96. "Well, Dynamite was better this week"
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I was worried they were going to keep on going with the mopey, reluctant shit for Young Bucks, but it appears that they're going to have them be full dick-head heels. Which is at least a direction. And they appear to be at least be committed to the characters, switching their style in the ring. They've done the whole "steal the mask" thing a few times before, but it worked here. I also always figured that they were going to be the team to eventually break-up SCU, and now they can do it as heels for heat, instead of the "We really respect you guys!" angle.

The main problem is that now it's clear they're going to keep the belts for a while, and I REALLY wanted FTR to win them back soon.

Most of the rest of the show was solid. The Dax/Jericho max was decent. I assumed the Wargames/Blood and Guts was going to be on the PPV, but I guess it will be on Dynamite, which is sorta weird.

And now Christian at least has some direction. Hobbs is incredibly good at playing a shitheel as well. And aside from the overbooked interlude in the middle, the Darby/Hardy match started and end well enough.

They still have to figure out what to do with Omega.

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97. "Future Endeavors SZN (Samoa Joe and the IIconics are out)"
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among others

https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1382768422908522497

Samoa Joe
Mickie James
Peyton Royce
Billie Kay
Chelsea Green
Wesley Blake
Tucker
Kalisto
Bo Dallas

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98. "RE: Future Endeavors SZN (Samoa Joe and the IIconics are out)"
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>among others
>
>https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1382768422908522497
>
>Samoa Joe
>Mickie James
>Peyton Royce
>Billie Kay
>Chelsea Green
>Wesley Blake
>Tucker
>Kalisto
>Bo Dallas

Joe is the big name, but I'm happy with that if he wasn't going to be allowed to stay on commentary. In my mind, I assume he can't get physically cleared in WWE to rassle. He's 42 so be ready to hear about how old he is if/when he shows up anywhere.

I mostly wanna know what went down with the IIconics. It's like someone REALLY didn't like them somewhere along the way. They just got shelved something ridiculous and it didn't seem like they did anything wrong per se.

Chelsea Green..seems like she never got a shot either.

Bo Dallas...I swear he was good times in NXT and early in his Raw run. Then, stuff came off the rails, he was never in great shape, and then he got shelved. I hoped he would show up somehow with Bray but NOPE! With guys like him, I assume WWE EXPECTS them to show up and ask for their release at some point. When they don't, WWE gets put in a bad spot where they eventually have to let someone go.

I'm guessing fine azz Mickie James is just too expensive cuz she can generally go and she's always over enough.

I wonder if they'll be more. I'm always hoping for Ricochet to get free and get back to doing elaborate flips somewhere while his face still has SOME value to it.

I REALLY wonder where Velveteen Dream is. Are they protecting him from bigtime personal/legal trouble while keeping him off TV? IE: maybe they know he'd get super sued if he was just out on the streets? I don't know. I just hope he gets it together because I loved him and wanted great things for him.

  

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99. "RE: Future Endeavors SZN (Samoa Joe and the IIconics are out)"
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>>Samoa Joe

wow. this one is kinda baffling even if he couldn't get cleared, but perhaps he makes too much to keep him on as a commentator.

>
>I mostly wanna know what went down with the IIconics. It's
>like someone REALLY didn't like them somewhere along the way.
>They just got shelved something ridiculous and it didn't seem
>like they did anything wrong per se.

with how much they struggle to make tag teams/get them over, they completely blew it with these 2. the most nonsensical breakup.

>
>Chelsea Green..seems like she never got a shot either.

I believe she's been injured for a while.

>I wonder if they'll be more. I'm always hoping for Ricochet to
>get free and get back to doing elaborate flips somewhere while
>his face still has SOME value to it.

I have a feeling they'll do the same thing for Ricochet that they do for Ziggler every time his contract is up: acknowledge that he's disgruntled, make him an offer he can't refuse, then do very little with him anyway.

  

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100. "splitting them up made zero sense bc they damn sure cant wrestle"
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but they were always funny as hell to me. on WWE programming and social media. they're just natural at being entertaining and w/ how much the WWE likes to cross promo they would be perfect.

you could have them host PPVs, do kooky backstage shit, Total Divas*, send them to an awards show for some red carpet shit. its very narrowminded to get rid of them

*if they did TD then I missed it. I havent watched it since Cameron was around w/ Naomi lol

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101. "Funny. I was just coming around on the Iiconics. "
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I only just recently "got" them, but in their singles roles.

I actually loved Billy Kay playing off Carmella. I can't stand Carmella, but BK pulled off a very entertaining comedy gimmick.

I really hate to see AEW keep nabbing WWE castoffs, but they need to pick them up stat. They'll be a very good edition to their Women's division.

Somoa Joe too.

they're getting crowded over there though. I don't know how they can justify picking up anyone else, at least until fans return.

They're a creative mess right now. But I'd really like to see them all land in AEW, because I still believe they'll get their legs back under them once fans return.

  

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103. "Hope Joe gets healthy enough to go to AEW"
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He’s an instant main eventer if he’s healthy. Honestly, he’s a top 3 guy in either company if healthy IMO. Thought he was great on commentary for WWE too.

  

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102. "is it fair to say SD is only good because of Fox?"
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i assume they meddle a lot because i have no reason to believe the WWE can consistently put together good TV on their own

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104. "It’s way better than Raw. I think it’s for several reasons "
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- most importantly, it’s only 2 hours

- it’s paced so well. There’s stretches of Raw that feel endless, those moments are lesser on Smackdown

- Reigns is so great


You’re right though, Fox must have their hand in it. It’s watchable. I understand that’s a low bar, but compared to Raw this version of Smackdown is a revelation

  

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105. "When they put the effort in, Smackdown ends up the better show"
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It was their re-entry into broadcast TV and “the Rock’s show” when it debuted.

Then there was the Smackdown Six era.

It was Smackdown where Becky Lynch’s run as The Man started.

And now we have the Head of the Table era.

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106. "RE: 2 hours + Reigns is the shit"
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>i assume they meddle a lot because i have no reason to
>believe the WWE can consistently put together good TV on their
>own

I can’t figure it out for sure. My current guess is that I like the show more because the best people on it are my favs and 2 hours instead of 3 means they won’t stretch a 5-minute segment into a 20-minute one most of the time. And that’s even with stuff like Bianca really going long yesterday. I love her, but c’mon you lovely hoss you...EST, you can do it if you keep trying, thanks Sasha, get that title baby, we want the smoke, leggo.

Right now, their Upper Midcard is pretty excellent too so that doesn’t hurt when you might get a random Sami Zayn/Daniel Bryan match in the middle of a show.

And I still fast fwd through hella stuff. IE: I hate that I miss most Street Profit matches cuz I don’t do Ziggler anything. And you know damn well I ain’t regularly watching Otis without Mandy Rose even tho his random 1-liners will get me sometimes.

I tell you what tho, I fucking love Head of the Table Roman Reigns. 3 years ago, I hated Vince for continuing to force Cena Jr-style Reigns on us. I was cussing angrily at Mania in New Orleans as he kept kicking out of F5s for instance. Now, this dude anchors a 2-hour show with one liners and face-making that have to make HHH jealous. And he’s only got one henchman and Paul as an all too willing gopher, and it still works. It also lets you know how cool Brock could’ve been if he could’ve been bothered to show up and try more. Him sitting in the chair looking annoyed/pissed/comfy and damn near whispering orders is the best shit going.

The best thing about him to me is that I know he can go when it’s go-time. He can pay off everything, even if he wins a match via cheating. Acknowledge me!? Oh man, that’s great heel shit. So good.

  

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109. "so this is what ive never understood about modern Raw"
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>I can’t figure it out for sure. My current guess is that I
>like the show more because the best people on it are my favs
>and 2 hours instead of 3 means they won’t stretch a 5-minute
>segment into a 20-minute one most of the time.

why are you stretching and dragging so much stuff, when you have all these wrestlers just on the shelf not doing shit. and the ones you do use on Raw barely have a story anyway.

thats why i figured Fox had to be meddling. its hard for me to watch the production of Raw vs the production of Smackdown and process it being from the same company. independent of the talent on either show, cause yall know I do not care for Roman. however i'll give him credit he is legit now what they tried to make him back then.

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107. "More or less, but I don’t think they meddle on a reg. basis"
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>i assume they meddle a lot because i have no reason to
>believe the WWE can consistently put together good TV on their
>own

I think it’s more like a handshake deal of when the “WWE Draft” rolls around they tell Vince they want Roman and a handful of others guaranteed on their show.

  

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108. "this Stone Cold A&E doc is great stuff"
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110. "Agree. Ya know what I loved about it? It was very honest "
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WWE has done puff piece docs forever, including stuff on Austin. But never have I seen them so openly acknowledge how short his run was, how unhealthy his lifestyle was in his prime, and the negative effects his ascent and run had on his kids.

And still, it’s telling that the only thing he really gets choked up at was being forced to retire. He says he’s getting emotional during the neck injury part but he doesn’t physically look unsettled. And when he mentions his daughters he admits he was a shitty father but he doesn’t seem all that discomforted by it either. I found it fascinating that the part that stirred him up the most emotionally was the part about going into Mania 19 knowing it was his last match.

  

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113. "maybe cause i lived through it too"
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but i've never felt like they havent acknowledged how short Austin's run was (or Rock for that matter). i think its that he just actually stayed gone.

it's like a rapper retiring, and actually retiring

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114. "True, maybe it’s just cause he’s so much larger than life. Rock too"
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As big as Cena was, Austin and Rock were both bigger and at the exact same time.

I’ll tell anyone who will listen that the Mania 19 match of theirs may be their best - and that’s coming after 17, which is the very best main event of the Attitude Era.

The 19 Austin/Rock match is art. Even without knowing it was Austin’s last match it’s clear that his fire is extinguishing, while Rock by then had one foot out the door. The moment at the end is the cherry on top.

  

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115. "RE: True, maybe it’s just cause he’s so much larger than life. Rock ..."
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>As big as Cena was, Austin and Rock were both bigger and at
>the exact same time.
>
>I’ll tell anyone who will listen that the Mania 19 match of
>theirs may be their best - and that’s coming after 17, which
>is the very best main event of the Attitude Era.
>
>The 19 Austin/Rock match is art. Even without knowing it was
>Austin’s last match it’s clear that his fire is
>extinguishing, while Rock by then had one foot out the door.
>The moment at the end is the cherry on top.

I'm with you.

When Cena lays it down for good one of these days, it is going to be cool to have honest convos about him. Now, it seems like his worst stuff is still too fresh in all of our minds. The Cenawinslol stuff was hard on my rasslin soul for instance. And everyone who was supposed to be his Savage/Rock/other guy had so many apparent warts that Cena won't be able to elevate from that either. His 'good matches with new hires and stars on the way out' era was the king shit tho. AJ. Owens. Rollins. Daniel Bryan. All of those matches were excellentay. In that way, he gave quite a bit more than Hogan. And probably a tad more than even Austin who showed a gang of azz for guys like Jericho and Benoit in his last couple of years. I remember him wrestling Benoit on free TV 2x in one week. He must've eaten 15 rolling germans like a champ.

The Mania 19 match was basically in the middle of the show so it makes sense that folks fade it at least a little bit. And anything that doesn't have that Limp Bizkit My Way video package like 17 did is gonna seem less major!

I've lived a long life in the camp of 'Austin is a big-time worker'. He is much more of a good nerd-style worker than he gets credit for. He was basically hurt for AT LEAST 2/3 of his core run and he didn't do a bunch of acrobatic stuff OR a bunch of different stuff. But that's a smart way to work when you're friggin hurt all the time and you're outlandishly over. And I'm saying this about an Attitude era main eventer who ate chair shots and table spots on a reg. And he wasn't above some 80s southern blading too. And he was regularly working with folks who were somehow compromised too. Big guys. Small guys. Hurt guys. Green guys. Vince and them. Even Rock and Haitch were on their way up more than they were accomplished and polished workers.

But really...if Kenny, Rollins, or even the guys from around that era could be over like rover just by their music hitting, showing up, walking hard af, making faces, and having folks react to you like the damn boogie man cuz you're a known agent of chaos and disruption, they would do it too! Hell, that's kinda what Roman is masterfully doing right now. He's strut-walking his ass off, saying snide shit at all times, and making excellent faces. Brock tried to do it too but he half-assed it a bit too much and most of us got tired of it even when he showed up.

  

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111. "9/10 overall, for what it was"
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a broad introduction to Stone Cold for the uninitiated.
I was surprised to see him be so candid about his relationship w/ his daughters though. I never knew he even had kids. Wild to hear him process calling his daughter and she has a London accent instead of a Texas accent because she had lived over there for so long. and they were disconnected w/ each other.

watching this actually made me really want a Rock/Austin rivalry doc. take this structure and blow it out to 10 hours on some Last Dance shit. with this same high production quality, big variety of interviews, and lots/lots of archive footage. hopefully w/ them interviewed together instead of 2 separate ones. i'd like to see them bounce off each other

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112. "RE: this Stone Cold A&E doc is great stuff"
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I hope the other ones are anywhere near this good. I thoroughly enjoyed it and the run-time went by fast af.

And yeah, I like that everyone somewhat clearly agreed that his run wasn’t as long as some others. The crazy thing about that? He missed a lot of time with injuries even during that ‘shorter’ run.

I do think folks should admit that his run was physically insane compared to some of the softer parts of some people’s runs. Ie: think of some parts of Hogan’s runs where he did more appearing than working. And it’s a stretch to call some of the squash matches during the 80s actual working compared to some of the out of hand tv matches folks throw out now. It makes more sense now due to no house shows but still.

The part about Owen where they make it clear that they talked about the piledriver spot beforehand was also wild and crazy. I regularly wonder how ridiculously good Austin’s run could’ve been if not for the major injuries. And I’m one of the folks who think his in-ring work is overlooked for how nuanced it could be..especially during his insecure heel days.

  

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