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Frank Longo
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"College Hoops Coaching Carousel"


  

          

Dave Leitao out at DePaul.

Richard Pitino out at Minnesota... and is immediately hired at New Mexico.

Utah fired their coach surprisingly, which made people think they had their coach in mind. Today, Wojo and Marquette parted ways... and he's already rumored to be Utah's guy.

And of course, Archie Miller out at Indiana. The big rumored name, obviously, is Brad Stevens. Which seems unlikely... but the odds of Brad taking the job went from +2500 to +500 over the last 48 hours. Indiana fans are certainly trying to talk it into existence.

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aaaaaand they took Brad Stevens off the board in Vegas.
Mar 19th 2021
1
Stevens already said he's not interested.
Mar 19th 2021
2
      lol, I mean, I agree.
Mar 19th 2021
3
Good options for MU this time around
Mar 24th 2021
4
Lon Kruger retiring.
Mar 25th 2021
5
Shaka in talks to become head coach at Marquette - Goodman
Mar 26th 2021
6
Looking to bail before he gets canned. It'd be a smart move.
Mar 26th 2021
7
is Marquette a better job...or just A job? Asking honestly...
Mar 26th 2021
8
      It’s definitely not better, but it’s not bad either
Mar 26th 2021
9
      not better financially
Mar 26th 2021
17
      It's a good job, and he was about to get shitcanned anyway.
Mar 26th 2021
10
           He doesn’t need to prove he can coach. That’s absurd.
Mar 26th 2021
15
                He made a lot of really questionable choices as Texas's coach.
Mar 26th 2021
16
                RE: He made a lot of really questionable choices as Texas's coach.
Mar 26th 2021
19
                Look, you disagree with me. That's fine.
Mar 27th 2021
23
                     RE: Look, you disagree with me. That's fine.
Mar 27th 2021
25
                          I'm no fan of Rick Barnes...
Mar 27th 2021
26
                               RE: I'm no fan of Rick Barnes...
Mar 27th 2021
28
                Archie Miller coached six years at Dayton before getting to Indiana
Mar 26th 2021
20
                     I definitely agree with this, at least.
Mar 27th 2021
22
                Trying to figure out what Longo considers a good coach is impossible
Mar 26th 2021
18
                     lol, you hear Holtmann said no to Indiana?
Mar 27th 2021
21
                          I was so annoyed. He knows he has it MADE in Columbus
Mar 27th 2021
27
Good for him
Mar 26th 2021
11
smart man
Mar 26th 2021
14
Kim English to George Mason, young up and coming local guy.
Mar 26th 2021
12
M-I-Z....!!! Good for him...
Mar 26th 2021
13
      Kim was my favorite player off that team
Mar 27th 2021
24
           Yeah, man...
Mar 27th 2021
29
Looking like Mike Woodson at Indiana.
Mar 28th 2021
30
Addendum: Mike Woodson with Thad Matta!
Mar 28th 2021
31
This is going to be a home run . God dammit .
Mar 28th 2021
32
RE: This is going to be a home run . God dammit .
Mar 28th 2021
33
      It's unclear what role Matta will have with the team.
Mar 28th 2021
35
Nevermind
Mar 28th 2021
34
Can he win the recruiting battle?
Mar 28th 2021
36
That's a great choice...the Indiana brand plus his NBA
Mar 29th 2021
38
      I would love Beilein at TOSU right now nm
Mar 30th 2021
42
           That would be a better fit than Indiana to me...
Mar 30th 2021
43
maaaaan Royal Ivey is interviewing for the Texas job
Mar 29th 2021
37
As long as he’s not up against Hakeem Warwick he should be straight
Mar 29th 2021
39
      Lol, the “Texas Teabag”
Apr 01st 2021
48
      lmao
Apr 01st 2021
58
we might need a transfer portal post lol
Mar 29th 2021
40
Right, that portal is jumpin
Mar 29th 2021
41
Watts should have mever gone to MSU
Mar 30th 2021
44
Roy Williams retiring...
Apr 01st 2021
45
its going to be Wes Miller from UNCG
Apr 01st 2021
49
This is how it should be done .
Apr 01st 2021
50
I could see them going Hubert still.
Apr 01st 2021
54
what about Stack?
Apr 01st 2021
61
check out that Vandy record
Apr 01st 2021
62
      shit, watch their *games*
Apr 01st 2021
64
      Stack’s probably kicking himself that he took that Vandy job
Apr 02nd 2021
67
Elon - High Point - UNCG
Apr 02nd 2021
68
they just interviewed Boheim about Roy, I wonder who will stick around.....
Apr 01st 2021
57
Chris Beard to Texas. PHENOMENAL hire.
Apr 01st 2021
46
Nobody wants to watch that junk defense
Apr 01st 2021
47
      People say that about Tony Bennett, too.
Apr 01st 2021
52
           Nah man
Apr 01st 2021
55
God I can’t wait for Ohio State to join this post next spring .
Apr 01st 2021
51
lol, I'd gladly bet against that happening
Apr 01st 2021
53
      You must be related to Holtmann lmao
Apr 01st 2021
59
           I just don't think they'll fire him.
Apr 01st 2021
60
                His seat is HOT as hell.
Apr 01st 2021
65
Beard's gonna have the same issues Shaka had at Texas
Apr 01st 2021
56
If he completely changes his system too, then maybe.
Apr 01st 2021
63
People forget Grant built that Final Four VCU team
Apr 06th 2021
79
Bill Self signs lifetime deal w/ KU. "No fire" clause
Apr 02nd 2021
66
why? Why do schools do this to themselves?
Apr 07th 2021
81
      oh, under NCAA investigation and a booster is in charge right now
Apr 07th 2021
82
Turge getting extended.
Apr 02nd 2021
69
Porter Moser from Loyola to Oklahoma
Apr 02nd 2021
70
Unbelievable hire. Big 12 just got that much tougher.
Apr 02nd 2021
71
Utah St's Craig Smith goes to Utah. Utah St gets Ryan Odom from UMBC.
Apr 05th 2021
72
They really fucking gave it to Hubert...
Apr 05th 2021
73
Roy left for a reason, CBB is changing for all “blue bloods”
Apr 05th 2021
75
After his press conference it ain’t looking good.
Apr 07th 2021
80
i'd like to imagine he was just nervous
Apr 07th 2021
86
Proud
Apr 08th 2021
88
Hube didn’t keep Steve Robinson on his staff??
Apr 16th 2021
92
      yeah we needed to get younger to relate to todays kids
Apr 16th 2021
93
           Gotchu. Just used to seeing that dude in that seat for so many years.
Apr 16th 2021
94
Did Texas move too fast?
Apr 05th 2021
74
Definitely
Apr 05th 2021
76
They stole one of the best young coaches from their rival.
Apr 05th 2021
77
yeah but they still got a good one imo
Apr 05th 2021
78
Sean Miller out..
Apr 07th 2021
83
gonna be a moody summer at the millers household
Apr 07th 2021
84
      You think he gets another gig, quick?
Apr 07th 2021
85
           he's white he'll be alright.
Apr 07th 2021
87
Cincy picks up Wes Miller from UNCG
Apr 14th 2021
89
I, maybe controversially, think he’s not good enough for UNC. Yet.
Apr 14th 2021
90
      like i said in #49
Apr 14th 2021
91

Frank Longo
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1. "aaaaaand they took Brad Stevens off the board in Vegas."
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... could this actually happen?

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2. "Stevens already said he's not interested."
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No one is leaving a head coaching job in the NBA for college anymore. Nobody is returning to college unless they’re no longer welcome to stay in pros.

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3. "lol, I mean, I agree."
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It's just weird that Vegas behaved the way it did today about it. I never bought that Stevens would go to IU.

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4. "Good options for MU this time around"
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Porter Moser
Dennis Gates
and don't do it to me again...Shaka!

  

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5. "Lon Kruger retiring."
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Another big position open.

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6. "Shaka in talks to become head coach at Marquette - Goodman"
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7. "Looking to bail before he gets canned. It'd be a smart move. "
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8. "is Marquette a better job...or just A job? Asking honestly..."
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as I don't watch college hoops, anymore.

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9. "It’s definitely not better, but it’s not bad either"
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Marquette spends a lot of money on basketball, has good facilities. Considering he was about to get fired, it’s a nice soft landing.

  

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17. "not better financially "
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but a better fit as far as expectations

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10. "It's a good job, and he was about to get shitcanned anyway."
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It's also a pretty good landing spot for someone who realistically wants a job of Texas's stature but who will desperately need to prove once again to people that he can actually coach.

I was a giant fan of Shaka at VCU, and at Texas, he basically tossed everything that made him successful in the garbage. He needs to get back to Havoc, and he needs to get back to recruiting players that fit a system instead of just grabbing the biggest future pro imaginable. Marquette seems like a nice place to do that.

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15. "He doesn’t need to prove he can coach. That’s absurd. "
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16. "He made a lot of really questionable choices as Texas's coach."
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The offenses were filled with bad jumpshots. Assist rate bottom half of the NCAA all but one season. Completely ditched the trademark defense that made him a coaching star and replaced it with a low-tempo game that resulted in one Top 20 defense and zero Top 20 offenses.

Never cracked the year-end Top 20 of KenPom at all, and only cracked the Top 35 twice, despite having during his tenure a minimum of five pros on the roster. Outside of *maybe* 2018, his teams never met preseason expectations. He brought in three five star recruits and fifteen four star recruits and converted it into three NCAA Tournament appearances and zero wins in six seasons.

I loved Shaka at VCU. I'm excited to see him get a fresh start. But his coaching, much like Archie Miller's at Indiana, went away from all the coaching decisions that got him the big job.

So yeah, I think it's fair to say he has to prove to people that he can coach successfully at the high-major level. Whether he goes back to Havoc or he finds something new, he's got to find a way to have a team either run coherent offense or play consistent elite defense. (All of this goes for Archie as well.)

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19. "RE: He made a lot of really questionable choices as Texas's coach."
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Fri Mar-26-21 06:39 PM by MEAT

  

          

>The offenses were filled with bad jumpshots.

They weren't

>Assist rate bottom half of the NCAA all but one season. Completely ditched

Iso basketball does that, why is that questionable?

>the trademark defense that made him a coaching star and
>replaced it with a low-tempo game that resulted in one Top 20
>defense and zero Top 20 offenses.

Talented kids aren't trying to run full court press.

>Never cracked the year-end Top 20 of KenPom at all, and only
>cracked the Top 35 twice, despite having during his tenure a
>minimum of five pros on the roster.

All of those pros were young bigs.
Which 1. When was the last dominant/young college big not named Greg Odom?
And 2. That meant his guards have been underclassmen every year except tw. Were any of them outside of Andrew Jones considered NBA talent?

>Outside of *maybe* 2018,
>his teams never met preseason expectations. He brought in
>three five star recruits and fifteen four star recruits

So he never was short at identifying or getting talent to sign

>and
>converted it into three NCAA Tournament appearances and zero
>wins in six seasons.

People lose in tournaments. The first year he lost from a half court shot, the second trip his young team took a higher seeded Nevada team to OT, won the NIT, didn't get to play last year. This year got into a junk yard fight with a team that was throwing up shots, that he clamped down, but got turned over and lost on free throws with 1.3 seconds on a questionable at best call. This after he won the BIG 12 tournment a week before, which had literally never happened at Texas.

>I loved Shaka at VCU. I'm excited to see him get a fresh
>start. But his coaching, much like Archie Miller's at Indiana,
>went away from all the coaching decisions that got him the big
>job.

It sure didn't keep him from coaching the U23 Team USA

>So yeah, I think it's fair to say he has to prove to people
>that he can coach successfully at the high-major level.

Hope the national team gets the memo about his lack of coaching prowess

>Whether he goes back to Havoc or he finds something new, he's
>got to find a way to have a team either run coherent offense
>or play consistent elite defense. (All of this goes for Archie
>as well.)

The team he just lost to had literally the worst shooting percentage of any team to ever win a tournament game. There's nothing wrong with his defense


What's more likely ... the 43 year old man, who's respected around his profession both in college and professionally, with a proven track record of success and identifying talent just flames out would never do well ... or that college basketball fans have a ridiculous expectation of some programs or progress and Black men in particular get held to standards of potential that no white man does and then they justify their warped world view by overlooking and backdooring arguments to suit whatever narrative they need to sell?

I'm glad for that man.

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23. "Look, you disagree with me. That's fine. "
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But a few things.

>>The offenses were filled with bad jumpshots.
>
>They weren't
>
>>Assist rate bottom half of the NCAA all but one season.
>Completely ditched
>
>Iso basketball does that, why is that questionable?

... I mean, if you think a team that takes a lot of off-the-bounce jumpers without assists isn't questionable offense, then we just disagree.


>>the trademark defense that made him a coaching star and
>>replaced it with a low-tempo game that resulted in one Top
>20
>>defense and zero Top 20 offenses.
>
>Talented kids aren't trying to run full court press.

Then why go to Texas? lol, I realize the answer is "money," but you got famous for running a great system, and then you completely ditch that system and never find that same degree of success. I don't think it's unfair to call that into question!

>>So yeah, I think it's fair to say he has to prove to people
>>that he can coach successfully at the high-major level.
>
>Hope the national team gets the memo about his lack of
>coaching prowess

I didn't say he has a lack of coaching prowess. In fact, I pointed out what a tremendous job he did at VCU developing a system that became literally known across the sport by *name.* Very, very few coaches can do that.

I questioned whether he can successfully coach at the high-major level, especially if he doesn't use the system that made him famous. And considering the mediocre results he generated at Texas on the whole, I don't think that's an unfair question to ask.

>>Whether he goes back to Havoc or he finds something new,
>he's
>>got to find a way to have a team either run coherent offense
>>or play consistent elite defense. (All of this goes for
>Archie
>>as well.)
>
>The team he just lost to had literally the worst shooting
>percentage of any team to ever win a tournament game. There's
>nothing wrong with his defense

Yeah, I mean, I was talking about season-long defense, not one game. His defensive numbers have been consistently good without being truly elite. I don't doubt Texas's ability to defend for one game.

>What's more likely ... the 43 year old man, who's respected
>around his profession both in college and professionally, with
>a proven track record of success and identifying talent just
>flames out would never do well ... or that college basketball
>fans have a ridiculous expectation of some programs or
>progress and Black men in particular get held to standards of
>potential that no white man does and then they justify their
>warped world view by overlooking and backdooring arguments to
>suit whatever narrative they need to sell?

I don't disagree that Texas has too high an expectation level-- I agree with that. But programs with a lot of money-- which Texas has-- and programs that bring in a lot of talent-- which Texas has done under Smart-- expect results. That's just reality.

And you won't find me disagreeing that black coaches catch unfair flak. I was on the front lines of yelling at people when Ewing and Howard were hired and met with all manner of racist skepticism. So yeah, NCAA basketball has a long way to go in that regard. I thought Shaka was a great hire. I wish it had worked out better.

But I'm hardly alone in wondering why Shaka ditched the system that made him the hottest commodity in the sport, and I'm hardly alone in thinking that Texas's iso, off-the-bounce, jumper-oriented offense was pretty gross to watch a lot of the time. That's just not going to be a successful offense ever, unless you have pro level guards and wings taking those shots (and even then, it usually backfires).

I'm really rooting for Shaka at Marquette. He's an obvious upgrade over Wojo, a guy I personally love from being a Duke fan, but also a guy who was pretty unquestionably a terrible coach at Marquette. I'd love to see Shaka get back to Havoc and get back to being considered one of the hottest names in coaching.

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25. "RE: Look, you disagree with me. That's fine. "
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Sat Mar-27-21 06:14 PM by MEAT

  

          

>But I'm hardly alone in wondering why Shaka ditched the system
>that made him the hottest commodity in the sport, and I'm
>hardly alone in thinking that Texas's iso, off-the-bounce,
>jumper-oriented offense was pretty gross to watch a lot of the
>time. That's just not going to be a successful offense ever,
>unless you have pro level guards and wings taking those shots
>(and even then, it usually backfires).


He’s said in interviews that running a press with the quality of guards in the Big 12 and having young bigs makes that a recipe for disaster.

And I’d say it wasn’t a jumper oriented offense. There were two main sets. The main one was drive, skip pass to a spot up three. This was mainly run by Coleman and the other dude from St Louis.
The second set was dribble the hell out of ball, and try to score. This was executed by Brown, Jones, and Kai Jones. That’s the “I’ll give you 3-5 sets a game to get your league profile up” I think you have to eat that if you want that kind of talent to come in AND contribute on the defensive end.
It’s the same set Mo Bamba had, same set Jaxson Hayes had.
There’s no real point in running a post game when your strongest big is a foul machine that can’t score, your second strongest big can’t hit a free throw, and all of your other bigs are young strings.

Folks are out here acting like he was Rick Barnes on offense.

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26. "I'm no fan of Rick Barnes..."
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>Folks are out here acting like he was Rick Barnes on offense.

... and I just made good money fading Rick Barnes in the tournament this year for this very reason, lol...

... but in the name of fairness, Rick Barnes, in his first six seasons at Texas, had four Top 20 offenses compared to Shaka's none. And won a Big 12 regular season title. And nine tournament games. And 73 conference wins to Shaka's 51.

Now, if you asked me to take a coach heads up, I take Smart over Barnes, because I like what Shaka did at VCU over anything Barnes has ever done. Like I said, I'm not a Barnes fan... but at a certain point, it's gotta be hard for Texas fans to ignore the results. Shit, it's been hard for me too-- I've been fading Texas against the spread gambling the last two years and have a winning record doing so.

As you said elsewhere, and as I agree with, it's a good time for him to move on. The cupboard would be fairly bare next year (transfer market pending), and next year wouldn't go well for him in all likelihood. So him controlling his destiny and going to get a fresh start will hopefully serve him well.

And I realize I'm not savvy to some of the recruiting pressures a job like Texas may carry, but hopefully Marquette will allow him to recruit system players and run a system that yields more efficient results than the ones he got at Texas.

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28. "RE: I'm no fan of Rick Barnes..."
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>... but in the name of fairness, Rick Barnes, in his first six
>seasons at Texas, had four Top 20 offenses compared to Shaka's
>none. And won a Big 12 regular season title. And nine
>tournament games. And 73 conference wins to Shaka's 51.

And then he spent the next ten years establishing himself as a man with good defense, shit offense, who's teams break from pressure at the end of seasons.

He also took over the program a year older than Shaka is now. Texas is a top 30 basketball program that's trying to buy their way into top 15, and it'll never happen. They NEEDED someone like Shaka to stick around and build and they seem fully invested in buying their way out of any problem.

>And I realize I'm not savvy to some of the recruiting
>pressures a job like Texas may carry,

There's not much pressure, stay in the good graces of the Lucas family, always talk to TJ Ford, find someway to get a foothold in Dallas and you're straight. That RB had to have a Canadian pipeline stronger than his Dallas one and it was just a givem exemplifies that the state is up for grabs. For hoops Texas is no different than U of H, Tech, TCU, SMU (when Larry Brown was there), A&M etc

The albatross isn't the system it's managing to build a team that can run with and close out Kansas on the perimeter, rebound with Baylor, and then have enough identity to avoid the rest of any conference traps so that you can make the 64. If you're chalking up 4 automatic in conference losses because you don't build against the top 2 programs you're a fool. So whoever gets the job better have a Kansas killer system, because you can't out recruit or out depth them, you have to build specifically to beat them.

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20. "Archie Miller coached six years at Dayton before getting to Indiana"
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During that time period he achieved less at Dayton than Smart did at VCU.

However, he was a front runner for one or the highest gigs in college ball.


Texas Basketball is no where near the prestige or demand that Indiana Basketball is.

Meanwhile, Shaka Smart achieved more at Texas during that period that Archie Miller did at his.

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22. "I definitely agree with this, at least. "
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>Meanwhile, Shaka Smart achieved more at Texas during that
>period that Archie Miller did at his.

I also don't disagree that Archie shouldn't have gotten that job. He shouldn't have. I wasn't a fan of that hire.

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18. "Trying to figure out what Longo considers a good coach is impossible"
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21. "lol, you hear Holtmann said no to Indiana?"
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I know you would've been dancing in the streets, lol.

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27. "I was so annoyed. He knows he has it MADE in Columbus"
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>I know you would've been dancing in the streets, lol.

In Bloomington, he's under the spotlight

at TOSU, all the attention is on Ryan Day and basketball is an afterthought


that being said, if Gene Smith accepts the President of Pac 10 conf job, and we get a new AD...Holtmann will be on a shorter leash as there won't be any previous attachments. That's my only hope. That's how desperate I am.



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11. "Good for him"
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He got a single shot. And achieved a lot. And for any white man of his age and history/track record people would be salivating at his potential.

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14. "smart man"
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13. "M-I-Z....!!! Good for him..."
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he had a nice college career in Columbia. He and Marcus Denmon tore it up, his senior year.

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24. "Kim was my favorite player off that team"
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Man, they were fun to watch.

I hope he's able to succeed at George Mason. If only because it might lead to a path where he takes over at Mizzou.

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29. "Yeah, man..."
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they were one of my favorite teams behind that 2000 squad that made a deep run with Ricky Paulding, Kareem Rush, Gilbert, Arthur Johnson and those guys.

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30. "Looking like Mike Woodson at Indiana."
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31. "Addendum: Mike Woodson with Thad Matta!"
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Thad was be an associate AD and will assist Woodson's staff.

I think it's a good match. Thad doesn't have the health to do all the coaching and recruiting, it seems... but he's a great guy to have on your staff. Woodson did great in turning 2 shitty franchises into 50-win teams in the NBA, but I'm sure there were questions about the transition from NBA to college for someone who's never coached college ... but now you've got Matta, a seasoned Big Ten vet, on board to ease Woodson's transition into this world.

I like this more the more I think about it.

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32. "This is going to be a home run . God dammit . "
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>Thad was be an associate AD and will assist Woodson's staff.
>
>I think it's a good match. Thad doesn't have the health to do
>all the coaching and recruiting, it seems... but he's a great
>guy to have on your staff. Woodson did great in turning 2
>shitty franchises into 50-win teams in the NBA, but I'm sure
>there were questions about the transition from NBA to college
>for someone who's never coached college ... but now you've got
>Matta, a seasoned Big Ten vet, on board to ease Woodson's
>transition into this world.
>
>I like this more the more I think about it.

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33. "RE: This is going to be a home run . God dammit . "
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>
>>Matta, a seasoned Big Ten vet,


5 big ten titles
4 big ten tournament championships
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Yea not a bad assistant to have around

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35. "It's unclear what role Matta will have with the team."
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They're saying on Twitter this isn't a recruiting role or anything like that, more advisory if anything.

But still, as you said, it's a good signing. Matta's a good guy for any organization to have involved.

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34. "Nevermind "
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This makes Indiana likeable...gross

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36. "Can he win the recruiting battle?"
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That’s all that matters. Indiana hasn’t done anything since Bob Knight.

Is Woodson a big enough identity? Can he get kids to go to Indiana
over Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Marquette,OSU,MSU and Purdue?

That’s the competition. And now that Smart is at Marquette...that’s even more
competition.

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38. "That's a great choice...the Indiana brand plus his NBA"
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coaching and ability along with Matta's involvement which will help get him transitioned to the college game and recruiting? Can't get much better than that.

I never understood the Beilein to Indiana rumors (maybe that was just Michigan circles talking about that.) Beilein is a program builder type that would take some time, not a quick turnaround hire. And at his age, how much time would he really have? Indiana's base is going to want some quick results. Along with that, he's worked best with mid-level recruits that he was able to coach up (which is why the NBA never made sense to me for him), which means he wouldn't likely have taken full advantage of the Indiana brand in recruiting.

  

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42. "I would love Beilein at TOSU right now nm"
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>coaching and ability along with Matta's involvement which
>will help get him transitioned to the college game and
>recruiting? Can't get much better than that.
>
>I never understood the Beilein to Indiana rumors (maybe that
>was just Michigan circles talking about that.) Beilein is a
>program builder type that would take some time, not a quick
>turnaround hire. And at his age, how much time would he really
>have? Indiana's base is going to want some quick results.
>Along with that, he's worked best with mid-level recruits that
>he was able to coach up (which is why the NBA never made sense
>to me for him), which means he wouldn't likely have taken full
>advantage of the Indiana brand in recruiting.

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43. "That would be a better fit than Indiana to me..."
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Y’all already have a good program so you wouldn’t need to do a 5 year Beilein rebuild...I’d be pissed if he went there though.

On the other hand, he’d be like 75 by the time he had Indiana turned around. They need someone who can come in, get a couple huge recruiting classes and get them back to winning.

  

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37. "maaaaan Royal Ivey is interviewing for the Texas job"
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aint no way that dude is old enough now to be a head coach lol. that makes me feel older than seeing both Patrick Surtain and Patrick Surtain Jr lol

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39. "As long as he’s not up against Hakeem Warwick he should be straight "
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48. "Lol, the “Texas Teabag”"
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That was brutal.

  

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58. "lmao"
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40. "we might need a transfer portal post lol"
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this shit could be fun. its about to be hella good players in this and immediately eligible too i think

I saw Rocket Watts is leaving MSU and Kessler is leaving us (WHY???? UGH (obv i know why))

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44. "Watts should have mever gone to MSU"
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Other than Gary Harris, those highly rated guards do nothing in the NBA, and the bloom is already off Harris's rose too

ill bet you a dollar we're talking about Max Christie the same way in 2 years if he isnt one and done

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45. "Roy Williams retiring..."
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31177433/north-carolina-tar-heels-basketball-coach-roy-williams-retires

  

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49. "its going to be Wes Miller from UNCG"
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- scrappy/marksman in his time at UNC (honestly you normally hate those type of players because the fans go OD w/ the praise but i really loved having him)
- 05 title player
- coaches right up the road at UNCG and put together several 20 win seasons and NCAA appearances
- white (sorry but it matters for the donors. i see folks saying go over to Central and grab Moton but that's not happening. and they not giving it to Hubert w/ no exp either)

it's the most obvious Carolina move to make. he isn't worthy at all IMO but he's the most worthy of the family candidates.

i'd swerve completely and go pluck away one of the top coaches. the Carolina family is many things. including stale. it's time to bring the family into modern times. classic Carolina ball is in the mud w/ the way the game is played today. we need fresh ideas. and we offer a unique platform and opportunity that will appeal to ANYONE.

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50. "This is how it should be done . "
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>i'd swerve completely and go pluck away one of the top
>coaches. the Carolina family is many things. including stale.
>it's time to bring the family into modern times. classic
>Carolina ball is in the mud w/ the way the game is played
>today. we need fresh ideas. and we offer a unique platform and
>opportunity that will appeal to ANYONE.
>
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54. "I could see them going Hubert still."
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Wes has only won the SoCon twice in nine seasons. I just... can't see that being enough.

Plus, it feels like with these older coaches that people like making the argument of a smooth transition. Hubert could potentially convince some of the current crew to stay, could keep some of the assistants on, etc. I feel like Wes would represent a reboot to some extent. Especially considering the style Wes would want to play almost certainly doesn't include traditional big men, lol.

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61. "what about Stack?"
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62. "check out that Vandy record"
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I know it's Vandy but you can't sell that record on paper to us. I know the jobs are scarce but he's playing his career on hard mode going there.

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64. "shit, watch their *games*"
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Like, I don't doubt that Stack has a lot of knowledge of the game, because he did a great job as a G-League coach by all accounts... but he's not recruiting well. He's not even getting good recruits by *Vanderbilt* standards. And the quality of shots they're generating on offense are, to put it mildly, bad. I watched a few of their games the last two years, and they looked lost on both ends.

As a Duke fan, I'd love to see Stackhouse get the job.

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67. "Stack’s probably kicking himself that he took that Vandy job"
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He probably could’ve stayed in the NBA and then rode Juwan Howard’s wave right now and got that UNC job.

Tough sell after two bad years at Vandy, which is basically a no win job.

  

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68. "Elon - High Point - UNCG"
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He made all the coaching rounds in that Guilford/Alamance county area huh? I lived down that way as a kid in junior high, so that makes me pull for him a bit.

  

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57. "they just interviewed Boheim about Roy, I wonder who will stick around....."
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longer him or K

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46. "Chris Beard to Texas. PHENOMENAL hire. "
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52. "People say that about Tony Bennett, too."
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I'd personally prefer consistently winning, but that's just me.

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55. "Nah man"
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My got to for sports is the 2008-2009 Texas Longhorns Football team.
It was a nearly un-enjoyable path to the national championship game
They won against Nebraska on a last second field goal and what should've been exciting was gross ... there was just no joy after multiple hours of unwatchable football.

On top of that, outside of McCoy and Shipley the receivers were BAD.
Fozzy Whitaker gets hurt half way into the season and the offense is just stale.


I think of Texas Basketball being good/bad again ... and I think of people sagging off Justin Mason/Dogus Balbay because they can't hit from 10-15 out.

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51. "God I can’t wait for Ohio State to join this post next spring . "
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>Dave Leitao out at DePaul.
>
>Richard Pitino out at Minnesota... and is immediately hired at
>New Mexico.
>
>Utah fired their coach surprisingly, which made people think
>they had their coach in mind. Today, Wojo and Marquette parted
>ways... and he's already rumored to be Utah's guy.
>
>And of course, Archie Miller out at Indiana. The big rumored
>name, obviously, is Brad Stevens. Which seems unlikely... but
>the odds of Brad taking the job went from +2500 to +500 over
>the last 48 hours. Indiana fans are certainly trying to talk
>it into existence.

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53. "lol, I'd gladly bet against that happening "
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59. "You must be related to Holtmann lmao"
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I’ve never seen anyone defend a dogshit coach this much

Entering year 5

Zero big ten championships
Zero big ten tournament championships
Zero top 15 recruiting classes
Zero sweet 16s
and THE worst loss in TOSU basketball history

And he has zero good players coming in

He’s a dead man walking. If not next spring the year after . I can wait two years .

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60. "I just don't think they'll fire him."
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It's not complicated. I'm not related to him.

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65. "His seat is HOT as hell. "
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>It's not complicated. I'm not related to him.

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56. "Beard's gonna have the same issues Shaka had at Texas"
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The schools they moved to require a completely different coaching style and skill set.

Shaka built VCU by getting under the radar players with a chip on their shoulder and pushing them real hard.
He got to Texas with all the 5 stars he wanted at his disposal, but couldn't replicate the success. The mentality of the players is just different.

Beard did the same thing at Texas Tech. Made runs with the occasional top 100 recruit on the roster and transfers. I'd say he didn't have much success with the more high profile players he started bringing in the last couple of years.

I don't know if the type of players Texas brings in would be receptive to his current coaching style

  

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63. "If he completely changes his system too, then maybe."
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If Texas keeps their stream of massive 5-star bigs coming, that would absolutely suit Beard's packline a lot better than it would've suited Havoc-- so I don't think he'd have to abandon his core defensive principles.

Outside of Nimari Burnett, Beard's really never had anything resembling a blue chip recruit, so it's hard to say how dealing with higher level recruits will play out... but Beard is, imo, a Top 10 coach in the country minimum and one hell of a hire. I'd take him at Duke in a fucking New York minute if I could.

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79. "People forget Grant built that Final Four VCU team"
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I like Shaka but I’m not sure he will ever be in another situation like VCU.

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66. "Bill Self signs lifetime deal w/ KU. "No fire" clause"
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https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/1378012792758894593

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81. "why? Why do schools do this to themselves? "
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what is the benefit?

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82. "oh, under NCAA investigation and a booster is in charge right now"
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The whiteness is amazing.


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69. "Turge getting extended."
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https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1378078751616040970?s=21

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70. "Porter Moser from Loyola to Oklahoma"
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1378096792017977344

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71. "Unbelievable hire. Big 12 just got that much tougher."
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72. "Utah St's Craig Smith goes to Utah. Utah St gets Ryan Odom from UMBC."
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Honestly fairly surprised Odom didn't snag a bigger job sooner, so even though I think Smith is really good... this might work out long run for Utah State.

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73. "They really fucking gave it to Hubert..."
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and I used gave specifically.
we gonna be back here in 4 years. i'd say 3 but UNC will be very careful at how their black coach experience looks

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75. "Roy left for a reason, CBB is changing for all “blue bloods”"
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80. "After his press conference it ain’t looking good."
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UNC will be
>very careful at how their black coach experience looks

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86. "i'd like to imagine he was just nervous"
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88. "Proud"
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92. "Hube didn’t keep Steve Robinson on his staff??"
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93. "yeah we needed to get younger to relate to todays kids"
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Jeff Lebo takes his spot. Carolina guy but more on the outer rim. He's been around the block so I expect some new wrinkles to the Carolina system.

Sean May staying. Not sure what he does. I think his position is DOBO, and maybe big man coach

Jackie Manuel is the new dude. Fan fav in his time at UNC. Really surreal that he's 38. The kids should love him.

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94. "Gotchu. Just used to seeing that dude in that seat for so many years."
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74. "Did Texas move too fast?"
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76. "Definitely "
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77. "They stole one of the best young coaches from their rival."
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I think they did fine.

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78. "yeah but they still got a good one imo"
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83. "Sean Miller out.."
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31209814/sources-arizona-wildcats-fire-coach-sean-miller

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84. "gonna be a moody summer at the millers household"
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although that buyout gotta be sweet

>https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31209814/sources-arizona-wildcats-fire-coach-sean-miller

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85. "You think he gets another gig, quick?"
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He’s got a stench on him, right?

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87. "he's white he'll be alright. "
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89. "Cincy picks up Wes Miller from UNCG"
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i see Wes long term vision

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90. "I, maybe controversially, think he’s not good enough for UNC. Yet."
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I know UNC fans love him, but his record in the SoCon is... pretty spotty when you break it down. I don’t blame UNC for not going that way. That record should scare UNC higher-ups.

If he can nail this Cincy job, then absolutely, he’s next in line. I’m just... not necessarily as high on him right now. He screams a lower major Shaka, and I’ll be interested to see if his style translates to the AAC/if he sticks with it.

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91. "like i said in #49"
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"he isn't worthy at all IMO but he's the most worthy of the family candidates"

hope it works and he can be ready if/when needed. Cincy's a good platform to work from

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