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"So this is how they're coming for Deshaun..."


          

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31079126/lawsuit-filed-deshaun-watson-says-looks-forward-clearing-name

Lawyer says lawsuit filed against Deshaun Watson, who says he looks forward to clearing name
11:36 PM CT
Sarah Barshop

HOUSTON -- After Houston attorney Tony Buzbee said in an Instagram post Tuesday night that he has filed a lawsuit against Deshaun Watson, the Texans' quarterback put out a statement saying he looks forward to clearing his name.

Watson responded on Twitter to word of the suit, saying he rejected "a baseless six-figure settlement demand," and that this is "about clearing my name, and I look forward to doing that."

Buzbee did not specify the allegations against Watson in his post but referenced behavior with women and later told FOX 26 in Houston that "Watson went too far" with a woman who was giving him a massage.

"I have never treated any woman with anything other than the utmost respect," Watson said in his statement.

Buzbee is well-known throughout the Houston area for his law firm and unsuccessful 2019 campaign against Mayor Sylvester Turner.

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if you want any more proof this is bullshit, consider Dabo Swinney
Mar 17th 2021
1
I'm not casting any judgment on this case but
Mar 17th 2021
2
what kinda weirdo shit is this
Mar 17th 2021
4
you and Cold Truth should start a club
Mar 18th 2021
33
      I have no idea what you're talking about
Mar 18th 2021
40
      Riiight. it's not your endless stream of dumb, loud and wrong posts
Apr 02nd 2021
196
I've read this post a number of times and I'm still confused
Mar 19th 2021
47
football a dirty business smh
Mar 17th 2021
3
Remember when Desean Jackson had troubling “gang affiliations’?
Mar 18th 2021
5
How would this possibly work in their interest?
Mar 18th 2021
6
The theory would be - trade offers dry up , he stays a Texan
Mar 18th 2021
7
RE: The theory would be - trade offers dry up , he stays a Texan
Mar 18th 2021
10
      Yeah, it doesn't seem like a good tactic (if that was their play)
Mar 18th 2021
12
LOL right. This is actively hurting his trade value.
Mar 18th 2021
8
what if they don't want to trade him?
Mar 18th 2021
9
      They don't want to and they don't have to. They never did.
Mar 18th 2021
13
           If he's truly willing to hold out they have to trade him or tank this ye...
Mar 18th 2021
15
                LOL yes there we go.
Mar 18th 2021
32
                     I really don't have an opinion here.
Mar 18th 2021
38
you assume they have normal rational interests though
Mar 18th 2021
11
As a Texans fan I've learned to never assume they are rational in anythi...
Mar 18th 2021
14
The Texans don’t want to trade Deshaun. If they did, we would be gone
Mar 18th 2021
16
I think their trying to get out of the contract at this point
Mar 18th 2021
25
      But that wouldn't help the team either though
Mar 18th 2021
27
           ^^^^^
Mar 18th 2021
28
           What do you mean they get nothing but cap space?
Mar 18th 2021
30
                It's like you didn't actually read the second paragraph.
Mar 18th 2021
31
                     The theories keep getting worse as the reply count goes up.
Mar 18th 2021
34
                     That's generally what happens.
Mar 18th 2021
35
                     Because people want to play football and make money!
Mar 18th 2021
37
                          Which of these options seems more llkely to happen:
Mar 18th 2021
41
                               All of it!
Mar 18th 2021
42
                                    RE: All of it!
Mar 18th 2021
43
                                         I’m not.
Mar 18th 2021
44
“I’m not going to comment on the DW situation” - yet some of you
Mar 18th 2021
36
Conspiracy tinfoil wrapped tight
Mar 18th 2021
17
Their all civil lawsuits.
Mar 18th 2021
18
I see the usual disgusting posts are being made here.
Mar 18th 2021
19
RE: I see the usual disgusting posts are being made here.
Mar 18th 2021
20
      RE: I see the usual disgusting posts are being made here.
Mar 18th 2021
22
           Doing what? Standing up for a good human being ?
Mar 18th 2021
29
I don't know anything about the allegations, but the lawyer...
Mar 18th 2021
21
Smart money say - let's wait and see, right?
Mar 18th 2021
23
apparent he's Cal McNair's next door neighbor
Mar 18th 2021
24
      It's not clear whether Buzbee was his neighbor or just likes to say...
Mar 18th 2021
26
RE: So this is how they're coming for Deshaun...
Mar 18th 2021
39
it has nothing to do with finding partners
Mar 19th 2021
63
Deshaun Watson got issues.....nm
Mar 19th 2021
45
I’d like to rescind my “bullshit” remark up top
Mar 19th 2021
46
one of the strangest things
Mar 19th 2021
48
well, fans aren’t the most rational people
Mar 19th 2021
49
People are mostly rational, unless it’s Kobe
Mar 19th 2021
50
word
Mar 19th 2021
51
Opposite was true for you/tOSU fans and Mo Clarett, no?
Mar 21st 2021
79
      Jesus christ wtf are you talking about?
Mar 21st 2021
82
it is mindblowing
Mar 19th 2021
54
same goes for politicians, really.
Mar 19th 2021
55
yerp, the quickness to dismiss
Mar 19th 2021
62
Same thing goes against athletes, though
Mar 21st 2021
81
      which isn't true
Mar 21st 2021
90
How is a lawyer able to accumulate all these civil suits...
Mar 19th 2021
52
this isn't actually a thing that is hard to figure out
Mar 19th 2021
53
Jesus christ.
Mar 19th 2021
56
ah yes, the police!
Mar 19th 2021
57
But how did they all find the same attorney at the same time
Mar 19th 2021
61
      hell if I know
Mar 19th 2021
67
      lmao at the Better Call Saul reference
Mar 20th 2021
76
           A quick glance at his wiki page raises some flags
Mar 21st 2021
77
                whoa, a rich lawyer is shady
Mar 21st 2021
78
                     Which is exactly the point I’m trying to make
Mar 21st 2021
80
                          no you're not you stupid motherfucker
Mar 21st 2021
83
                          you have a troll
Mar 21st 2021
84
                               if you hate women the answer is always the same
Mar 21st 2021
89
                               Didn’t Emmitt Till’s accuser recant on her death bed?
Mar 22nd 2021
95
This is why their claims are bullshit.
Mar 19th 2021
60
he typed 426 words of just making shit up
Mar 19th 2021
64
      Speaking hypothetically, of course.
Mar 19th 2021
65
           ^^^^rooted, cheered, and mourned
Mar 20th 2021
73
We're still fucking doing this huh
Mar 19th 2021
70
*AbeSimpson.gif*
Mar 19th 2021
58
i tried to do the same
Mar 19th 2021
59
Two or three posters are hastening the death of this place.
Mar 19th 2021
66
More bullshit by Tony Buzbee
Mar 19th 2021
68
dude, please log out. go watch basketball.
Mar 19th 2021
69
      And you don’t know him either
Mar 19th 2021
71
      You need a hobby nm
Mar 20th 2021
72
           Post 45
Mar 20th 2021
74
      there's no reason to address dude directly
Mar 20th 2021
75
           yea im out.
Mar 22nd 2021
98
In a country that has been lying on the penises of Black men
Mar 21st 2021
85
Big Ben is still collecting NFL checks.
Mar 21st 2021
86
My post just went over your head
Mar 21st 2021
87
I'm just talking about 2021
Mar 21st 2021
88
RE: Big Ben is still collecting NFL checks.
Mar 22nd 2021
92
      ?
Mar 22nd 2021
93
      nah, more like the bar taped over the security tape
Mar 22nd 2021
94
Truth.com
Mar 21st 2021
91
excerpt from one of the lawsuits (reddit swipe)
Mar 22nd 2021
96
I haven't read through the complaints
Mar 22nd 2021
97
Its called the Covid-19 Pandemic
Mar 22nd 2021
99
      nah, thats where DeShaun fucked up
Mar 22nd 2021
100
      you can't get a referral from anybody?
Mar 22nd 2021
102
      Lmao...
Mar 22nd 2021
104
      Tiger Woods , who is a billionaire,
Mar 22nd 2021
105
           and he also left recorded messages with his name.. terrible example
Mar 23rd 2021
109
      I haven't reached a conclusion or a judgement
Mar 22nd 2021
101
           That would be great.
Mar 22nd 2021
103
The civil suits make more sense now
Mar 23rd 2021
113
Yea dude is a sleezeball
Mar 23rd 2021
106
I would like to see proof or evidence
Mar 23rd 2021
107
definitely sounds bad, still no criminal charges yet, you have to wonder...
Mar 23rd 2021
111
      You actually definitely don't have to wonder that.
Mar 23rd 2021
112
      I think the timing is mostly motivated by the big new contract
Mar 26th 2021
130
If you’re a massage therapist, and you worked on Deshaun Watson
Mar 23rd 2021
108
lmao
Mar 23rd 2021
110
People lie. And the world is primed to believe the worst
Mar 24th 2021
114
you could've not come back
Mar 25th 2021
115
man I *strongly* disliked bin's post
Mar 25th 2021
118
      I don't actually work here
Mar 25th 2021
119
      you think my point is dependent upon you being on the payroll?
Mar 26th 2021
123
           you seem upset about something
Apr 13th 2021
264
                funny, one could say that ur never ending vitriol and internet bullying
Apr 14th 2021
305
                     where did I play internet psychologist or discern your emotional state?
Apr 14th 2021
308
                     wait, do you think that if you're upset, that makes me a psychologist?
Apr 14th 2021
310
      good to know that you no longer think people can be discouraged
Apr 14th 2021
304
           safe to assume you don't realize ur having an imaginary conversation
Apr 15th 2021
315
                if I were imagining your replies, they'd be on topic
Apr 15th 2021
324
Post got quiet since his lawyer responded
Mar 25th 2021
116
      public opinion is always the first play with these types of cases
Mar 25th 2021
117
      so how many replies have to be posted daily
Mar 25th 2021
120
      It’s sad watching you make this story about you
Mar 26th 2021
121
      IMO, the admission confirmed there's some fire behind all the smoke
Mar 26th 2021
122
      Well said. This makes sense.
Mar 27th 2021
131
           No. It doesn’t make sense.
Mar 27th 2021
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                RE: No. It doesn’t make sense.
Mar 28th 2021
136
      I think it’s just that All Stah and Truth took a PTO day lol
Mar 26th 2021
124
      since I started the post over a week ago I've commented 2 or 3 times....
Mar 26th 2021
125
      new news = new posts. aint been any new news since Wed
Mar 28th 2021
134
           Which itself is strange...but so much of this process is strange
Mar 29th 2021
137
Last Monday, Tony Buzbee stated that he would be submitting
Mar 26th 2021
126
This is Thank God It Snowed level L
Mar 26th 2021
127
It’s called Law.
Mar 26th 2021
128
thank god it snowed on the massage table
Mar 26th 2021
129
You should see the Kellen Winslow post , it was worse
Mar 29th 2021
139
      oh shit I had forgotten about that
Apr 07th 2021
240
its just sad that the eagerness to tear down a black man and lock him...
Mar 28th 2021
133
It’s a travesty.
Mar 28th 2021
135
who is eager again?
Mar 29th 2021
138
Massage Therapist tells SI of her experience w/ Watson (link)
Mar 29th 2021
140
I've done a total 180, I believe this happened, and I think he's a perv
Mar 29th 2021
141
They’ve established a pattern of behavior
Mar 30th 2021
142
credit for having the most mature and pragmatic take in the whole post
Mar 30th 2021
143
credit for being a piece of shit to start and to finish
Mar 30th 2021
156
wow, really?
Mar 30th 2021
144
Ben brutally raped Andrea Mcnulty.
Mar 30th 2021
145
its always been the same...
Mar 30th 2021
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      and this...:
Mar 30th 2021
147
Yes, really...dude needs help
Mar 30th 2021
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I’m glad you’re not a lawyer,doctor,counselor, legislator
Mar 30th 2021
149
      Except he’s already admitted to inappropriate behavior
Mar 30th 2021
151
           now a massage with a happy is high treason but its not ask Robert Kraft....
Mar 30th 2021
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           Consensual or Not?
Mar 30th 2021
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                Yes, it is inappropriate.
Mar 30th 2021
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                     This case is going to come up a lot in law school.
Mar 30th 2021
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                          Criminally, I don’t disagree
Mar 30th 2021
161
I’m a Steeler fan and some of them actually believe Deshaun
Mar 30th 2021
150
      I don't recall this guy missing any seasons either...
Mar 30th 2021
158
           AB missed 8 games
Apr 02nd 2021
197
all the people who care what bentagain thinks about literally anything
Mar 30th 2021
157
look at these sick sad motherfuckers
Mar 30th 2021
155
      We are debating about a civil lawsuit in a civilized manner.
Mar 30th 2021
160
      But the legal standard in a civil suit is more likely than not
Mar 31st 2021
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           also they're not in a criminal court
Mar 31st 2021
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      look at these sick sad motherfuckers
Mar 30th 2021
162
Buzbee now says he doesn’t feel comfortable submitting evidence
Mar 31st 2021
165
Buzbee is full of shit
Mar 31st 2021
166
18 therapists defend Deshaun Watson, as two more women file lawsuits...
Mar 31st 2021
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He’s getting bad advice
Mar 31st 2021
168
yeah having 40 folks on the board is fugazi
Mar 31st 2021
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But you were not suspicious with 20?
Mar 31st 2021
171
You didn’t have a problem believing 20 anonymous
Mar 31st 2021
170
      I missed the part where you disagree with me
Mar 31st 2021
172
           I’m not understanding your take here.
Mar 31st 2021
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                If you don’t want to discuss a difference in opinion... I can’t help...
Mar 31st 2021
177
                     I’m dealing with facts. No hypothesis, like you are presenting.
Mar 31st 2021
178
damn for a dude that loves massages, he's probably dying for one
Mar 31st 2021
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RE: damn for a dude that loves massages, he's probably dying for one
Mar 31st 2021
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whatever he gets, he's addicted to something. and i'd like to assume
Mar 31st 2021
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pretty sure most athletes get massages a few times a week
Apr 01st 2021
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40 massages from 40 different chicks is weird as shit
Apr 01st 2021
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over what period of time? 40 days? 4 months? 4 years?
Apr 01st 2021
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this is something different
Apr 01st 2021
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      maybe.. or maybe its more common than we believe
Apr 01st 2021
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      yeah we forget about this...
Apr 01st 2021
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      No disrespect. This is where class comes into play.
Apr 01st 2021
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      lol what?
Apr 01st 2021
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           You’re proving my point.
Apr 01st 2021
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                how did i prove your point? I asked a question that you didn't answer
Apr 01st 2021
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      correct. this aint' how it's done at that level.
Apr 01st 2021
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Lmao
Apr 01st 2021
184
18 minors defend Matt Gaetz, as he faces sex trafficking allegations
Apr 02nd 2021
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      Lmao good point
Apr 02nd 2021
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      yiiikes LOL
Apr 02nd 2021
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      Delete
Apr 02nd 2021
      ^^Straw Man
Apr 02nd 2021
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      18 masseuses I didn’t sexually assault = Straw Man
Apr 02nd 2021
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           No.Those 18 massage therapists
Apr 02nd 2021
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      thats goofy and loaded.. lol
Apr 02nd 2021
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      RE: thats goofy and loaded.. lol
Apr 02nd 2021
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      $100M athlete letting a masseuse work on their body
Apr 02nd 2021
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           And a Billion dollar golfer was flying Cheap Blonde prostitutes around
Apr 02nd 2021
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                You are proving why these allegations are credible
Apr 02nd 2021
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      literally LOL
Apr 02nd 2021
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      apples to asteroids. not remotely the same whatsoever
Apr 02nd 2021
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           damn, I didn't force bin to leave by being mildly unimpressed?
Apr 02nd 2021
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Houston PD investigating
Apr 02nd 2021
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This is long overdue.
Apr 03rd 2021
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      Sounds like a threat to me
Apr 03rd 2021
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           why would they use a defense that is easily proven false with tech?
Apr 03rd 2021
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                IMO, Buzbee is winning the public game of chicken the lawyers are playin...
Apr 04th 2021
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                     Buzbee is definitely winning the war in the media
Apr 05th 2021
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                          For example; consider the suez canal blockage
Apr 05th 2021
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                               Hardin established that Deshaun gets a lot of massages
Apr 05th 2021
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                                    Come on, man. We're still on this?
Apr 05th 2021
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just b/c you can fuck *some* IG masseuses, don't mean you can
Apr 02nd 2021
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yeah its stupid either way, sometimes we forget how young and dumb...
Apr 03rd 2021
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i thought the new school rookie orientations was supposed to go over
Apr 04th 2021
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      I agree wirh all that...
Apr 05th 2021
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It’s not about the sex, it’s about the power
Apr 03rd 2021
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      oh, i definitely know that. i was saying that reading the whole situatio...
Apr 04th 2021
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Watson tried to buy the NFL Network
Apr 03rd 2021
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Dead
Apr 03rd 2021
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lmfao nm
Apr 03rd 2021
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Extra lame
Apr 03rd 2021
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this post is the most fiery car wreck of a post ever
Apr 05th 2021
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you're right, he's still better than any QB in tOSU history...
Apr 05th 2021
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      "So this is how they're coming for Deshaun".....LMAO
Apr 07th 2021
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           Bahahahah
Apr 12th 2021
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           this is the best you could do?
Apr 12th 2021
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                Your boy a pervert and fucked up his endorsement money
Apr 13th 2021
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                     you forgot to address Ja Morant being better than Conley ever was.
Apr 13th 2021
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                     Zero all star appearances and zero playoff appearances
Apr 13th 2021
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                          30 out of 30 GM's would take Ja right now over Conley at any point...
Apr 13th 2021
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                               I have more all star appearances than Ja, now shut the fuck up.
Apr 13th 2021
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                               30 out of 30 GM's would take Ja right now over Conley at any point...
Apr 14th 2021
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                     I love how this is perceived as the ULTIMATE insult to osu fans
Apr 13th 2021
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                          It’s the weirdest deflection ever, but it’s all he has
Apr 13th 2021
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                               lets not act like your even in here because you care about Deshaun...
Apr 13th 2021
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                                    You support serial rapists (Kellen Winslow) and think Cosby is innocent
Apr 13th 2021
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                                         I don't but if that's your weak attempt at deflection go ahead.
Apr 14th 2021
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Buzbee’s gives press conference with one of the accusers
Apr 06th 2021
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Also, this is the same accuser who Buzbee was trying
Apr 06th 2021
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We talking bout nose rings?
Apr 06th 2021
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i stopped reading there, i assume it got worse as it went on
Apr 06th 2021
231
it's like a spoof of what women know will happen when they accuse
Apr 06th 2021
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That’s just one aspect of reading a situation.
Apr 06th 2021
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Bruh was all...why hasn’t anyone come forward?
Apr 06th 2021
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I expected new, detailed information
Apr 06th 2021
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allstah is over 50 and a deacon at a storefront church
Apr 06th 2021
237
*sigh*
Apr 06th 2021
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so why is this dude a poster here
Apr 06th 2021
235
It’s depressing how many convos I’ve had with former OKS users.
Apr 12th 2021
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      did these former OKS users also quit twitter/IG/fb?
Apr 13th 2021
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      Thank you. That’s why I don’t respond to them.
Apr 13th 2021
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      You don't see how that's not the same thing?
Apr 13th 2021
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      Right. Like I said, a mute button would solve this.
Apr 14th 2021
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      sure, a mute button would be great! but we don't have it sooooooo
Apr 14th 2021
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           and I don't buy for a second that everyone would come running back
Apr 15th 2021
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                It was like a month, not a year.
Apr 15th 2021
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                     just a month really? I thought it was a lot longer than that.
Apr 15th 2021
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      Right , Frank being overly dramatic
Apr 13th 2021
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      so like what specifically would someone need to say to drive you away
Apr 13th 2021
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           Umm I've been posting here for 20 years. Been in every argument
Apr 14th 2021
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                huh. so there's nothing that anyone could say that would make you leave
Apr 14th 2021
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                     I don't even know what youre saying at this point
Apr 14th 2021
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                          where's the criticism?
Apr 14th 2021
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                               and according to you, you like having sex with little boys
Apr 15th 2021
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                                    you could imagine anything in the world
Apr 15th 2021
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      Kind of a bitchass comment on your part, to be honest.
Apr 13th 2021
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      you ever think about not telling him his takes are dog shit?
Apr 13th 2021
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      Seems you should ask yourself that question regarding most of your posts...
Apr 13th 2021
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      so, no answer then.
Apr 13th 2021
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      Way to live the gimmick, brother! (c)
Apr 13th 2021
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           you didn't answer. I said you didn't.
Apr 13th 2021
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      I'd answer your question
Apr 13th 2021
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           Exhibit A, B, C, D, Etc
Apr 13th 2021
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                Do you think this is a readable sentence?
Apr 13th 2021
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                     C@n U R34D Th1$?
Apr 13th 2021
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                          I don't know if that's a yes or a no
Apr 13th 2021
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                          >>a sincere request for clarification.
Apr 13th 2021
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                               i genuinely believe that you really do believe I'm "mad"
Apr 13th 2021
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                                    you are mad tho
Apr 13th 2021
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                                    also, I literally asked you to call me out with more specificity
Apr 13th 2021
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                                         Why are you replying multiple times to each of my posts?
Apr 14th 2021
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                                              you take issue with my authenticity
Apr 14th 2021
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                                                   I take issue with everything about you, really. you're a cancer to these...
Apr 14th 2021
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                                                        bro, you just wrote a thousand words about me
Apr 14th 2021
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                                                        sorry for the second reply bro but I just gotta say
Apr 14th 2021
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      this seemed like a fairly simple question, idk
Apr 13th 2021
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      You're entitled to your opinion.
Apr 14th 2021
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      I... know I'm entitled to my opinion.
Apr 14th 2021
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      Have a good day, CT.
Apr 14th 2021
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      That's certainly easier than reflecting on the hypocrisy at play
Apr 14th 2021
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      yeah you're definitely not mad at all
Apr 14th 2021
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      that may be your experience, but I also disagree with the reasons
Apr 15th 2021
333
      I like Frank. Always have. But I can't disagree with any of this.
Apr 15th 2021
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           you can't claim you're not upset
Apr 15th 2021
313
           Agreed Re: Frank. Slight, nuance disagreement on the rest.
Apr 15th 2021
317
                LOL
Apr 15th 2021
322
                I feel like we agree on everything here
Apr 15th 2021
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                     what? I, Frank Longo, am not against speaking on Rjcc
Apr 15th 2021
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                          where's that mute feature???? **HELP**
Apr 15th 2021
331
      did you talk to bshelly and he tell you why he had to desert to boards.....
Apr 14th 2021
284
           What happened?
Apr 14th 2021
296
                Shells revealed that he's basically a Get Out white liberal
Apr 14th 2021
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                     Oh my damn
Apr 14th 2021
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                     dude went full heel turn lol
Apr 15th 2021
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                     I like that he says his company is watching , then goes WILD lol
Apr 15th 2021
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                     That was weird.
Apr 15th 2021
323
                     He spent years calling rival schools players “thugs” “hooligans”...
Jun 09th 2022
450
You've lapped the field. Your only competition is yourself.
Apr 13th 2021
250
Examining the dual narratives around Deshaun Watson's many massages
Apr 12th 2021
241
I'm not sure he's a rapist, but he's definitely a weirdo and a fraud
Apr 12th 2021
243
      9 out of 22 were licensed b/w $55 discount massages
Apr 12th 2021
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      The more these cases go on, the more it is becoming evident
Apr 13th 2021
254
           all true. Again, maybe not a rapist, but a gross dude
Apr 14th 2021
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      I agree, I definitely believe in where there's smoke there's fire, I als...
Apr 14th 2021
285
           Eh. Where there's smoke... there's dry ice. Or a barbecue.
Apr 14th 2021
289
One of the accusers drops lawsuit.
Apr 14th 2021
287
regardless of how many dropped he fucked up
Apr 15th 2021
325
      What does money have to do with someone being human?
Apr 15th 2021
329
      Kraft went to a rub n tug
Apr 15th 2021
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      I don’t know what Deshaun was doing or what he did.
Apr 15th 2021
335
           Trying to frame it as him just trying to fuk women he hired to do a job
Apr 18th 2021
336
                We live in a world full of men who try to fuck women they hire.
Apr 18th 2021
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                     RE: We live in a world full of men who try to fuck women they hire.
Apr 18th 2021
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                     trying to bang people you hire IS WRONG
Apr 19th 2021
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      money has everything to do with it
Apr 19th 2021
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      ^^
Apr 15th 2021
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A lot going on in this post.
Apr 14th 2021
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It's an old school OKP post, from like 2010. I'm enjoying it.
Apr 15th 2021
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      lol, that hit me as well
Apr 15th 2021
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The truth shall set you free.
Apr 20th 2021
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it's allegedly when they say what he did
Apr 20th 2021
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All Accusations have been countered.
Apr 20th 2021
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      you’re taking a stand that most others don’t care enough to take
Apr 20th 2021
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      what part of the allegation involves maintaining a public social media p...
Apr 20th 2021
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           The part when such actions could be actions to REMOVE evidence
Apr 20th 2021
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                so nothing. k
Apr 20th 2021
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Shit was obviously suspect as fuck from the get go
Apr 20th 2021
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Nah.. that’s city living fam
Apr 20th 2021
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you just like saying that women weren't raped
Apr 20th 2021
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LOL
Apr 20th 2021
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This should be the new forum tagline
Apr 20th 2021
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RE: Shit was obviously suspect as fuck from the get go
Apr 20th 2021
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      nah.
Apr 22nd 2021
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           RE: nah.
Apr 22nd 2021
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                what?
Apr 22nd 2021
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                     did ck admit to it right away? since you are the arbiter of facts
Apr 22nd 2021
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not surprised one bit by this article
Apr 20th 2021
346
fbi investigating possible extortion against watson.
Aug 19th 2021
359
So now you want to come to the BBQ?
Aug 19th 2021
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      ?
Aug 19th 2021
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           My mistake.
Aug 20th 2021
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So it turns out he was actually trying to buy NBC..or the WB?
Aug 20th 2021
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no criminal charges
Mar 11th 2022
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I wonder IF the Texans can even trade him now.
Mar 11th 2022
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      i wouldnt even worry about this if i was a team
Mar 12th 2022
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           lowkey I agree, and that's why I think the STEELERS will win out.
Mar 12th 2022
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Grand Jury will not indict
Mar 11th 2022
365
Didnt Watson and Flores want to be together?
Mar 11th 2022
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Have the Steelers ever made a big trade like this? honestly asking
Mar 11th 2022
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      No.. but our FO is changing
Mar 11th 2022
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      for my agendas, it would be horrible. However...
Mar 11th 2022
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      Reports and tweets out that Seattle will attempt to trade for DW
Mar 11th 2022
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      I doubt if he wants to go to a rebuilding situation in Seattle
Mar 12th 2022
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      Pit does have a history of rapey QBs , he’d be great
Mar 12th 2022
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           But Deshaun didn’t rape anyway, and is an innocent man.
Mar 12th 2022
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Panthers ready to go for it….
Mar 12th 2022
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doubt the Texans want CMC’s contract and injury history
Mar 12th 2022
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this shit gets crazier and crazier...
Jun 07th 2022
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Have to think this is why browns haven’t released baker yet
Jun 07th 2022
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total creep fraud weirdo. One of the all-time bizarre sports stories.
Jun 07th 2022
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Get that bullshit out of here.
Jun 07th 2022
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You’re all over the map pal
Jun 07th 2022
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This is America.
Jun 07th 2022
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Also, he didn’t go up to random women and ask for a BJ
Jun 07th 2022
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      From that article, these were random women that he didn’t know
Jun 08th 2022
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      yeah, these were stranger’s on the internets
Jun 08th 2022
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RE: Get that bullshit out of here.
Jun 07th 2022
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Come on.
Jun 07th 2022
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      No. He just needed fresh new blood to sexually assault
Jun 08th 2022
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           So basically you don’t have anything to add, but name calling.
Jun 08th 2022
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           No I’m stating facts
Jun 08th 2022
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           Literally no one worse.
Jun 08th 2022
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This is so repulsive.
Jun 08th 2022
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      ^^^Does not know the difference between soliciting for sex
Jun 08th 2022
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           forcing womens' hands to his junk is rapeish
Jun 08th 2022
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                dude allegedly masturbated and busted on a chicks face
Jun 08th 2022
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                or allstah also uses these services
Jun 08th 2022
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                     dude going a lil too hard.
Jun 08th 2022
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                          which makes sense given the topic
Jun 08th 2022
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                          Yes. I’m going extra hard, because none of your allegations
Jun 08th 2022
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                That is an allegation and has not been proven
Jun 08th 2022
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yeah he def aint playing this year for sure
Jun 07th 2022
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not that this has ever stopped a man from cheating, hiring escorts...
Jun 08th 2022
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Show me a gorgeous woman and I will show a man who is
Jun 08th 2022
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itd be poetic justice if this became a scandal for the texans
Jun 08th 2022
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That brother (c) needs help.
Jun 08th 2022
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only thing shocking to me is the Texans accommodating him
Jun 08th 2022
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      RE: only thing shocking to me is the Texans accommodating him
Jun 08th 2022
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           it IS fair to say "he's crazy" or "he needs help" haha
Jun 08th 2022
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           I knew a dude who was on trial for selling weight
Jun 08th 2022
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                yeah I've seen similar shit...
Jun 08th 2022
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           Not sure there are randoms wiling to do that for free
Jun 08th 2022
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           it seems like dude just had this massage fetish.
Jun 08th 2022
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                ^^^ I agree with this.
Jun 08th 2022
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                     what doesnt add up?
Jun 08th 2022
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                     It doesn’t add up because the 23 women who are suing
Jun 08th 2022
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                     1/3 of the women have come foward
Jun 08th 2022
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                          dude thinks every single woman has to come forward
Jun 08th 2022
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                               if all of them aint complaining.. smh
Jun 08th 2022
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                                    only *15* of the 66 women said everything was fine.
Jun 08th 2022
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Here is even more proof that Watson was paying for
Jun 08th 2022
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every situation wasnt the same.
Jun 08th 2022
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Correction:
Jun 08th 2022
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allstah is a deranged mf.
Jun 08th 2022
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he wont type the word fuck but he says an insane amount of fucked up shi...
Jun 08th 2022
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This is quite the hill to die on
Jun 08th 2022
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Now I’m deranged because I don’t believe that he raped
Jun 08th 2022
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You sound ridiculous and supportive of sexual assualt
Jun 08th 2022
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Unless he’s getting paid by Watson, this is mind-boggling
Jun 08th 2022
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He's grading on the Deshaun Watson curve. Lmao
Jun 08th 2022
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What proof do you have?
Jun 09th 2022
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Yep. He’s Vladimir Putin’s bitch too
Jun 08th 2022
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      damn what happened to that poster kfine?
Jun 08th 2022
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           Lol that post is an epic dumpster fire , highly entertaining tho 🍿
Jun 09th 2022
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                the funniest part was people blaming everyone but putin
Jun 09th 2022
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I wonder what Deshaun is doing now?
Jun 08th 2022
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i wouldnt be surprised if hes still doing the same thing
Jun 08th 2022
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He uses a Theragun and then jerks off on it.
Jun 08th 2022
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prolly oiled up and ready to go as we discuss.. lol
Jun 08th 2022
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      lmao, I'm sure Dabo and everybody in his family has pulled him aside...
Jun 08th 2022
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teams should start offering "how to mack"/"kickin game" workshops
Jun 08th 2022
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lol
Jun 08th 2022
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Send L Star there too while we’re at it
Jun 08th 2022
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lol
Jun 08th 2022
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I thought about that but some dudes are just weird he's probably not...
Jun 08th 2022
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Or Urban at a bar in Ohio after his team lost and getting a lap dance
Jun 08th 2022
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      I tried 2 avoid going there but those guys do have 1 thing in common lol...
Jun 09th 2022
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I doubt u can learn/unlearn this kind of behavior in a weekend seminar
Jun 15th 2022
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i haven't read thru, yet, but this poast got as many replies as watson h...
Jun 08th 2022
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lmao
Jun 08th 2022
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Watson has more massages than TDs in the NFL
Jun 08th 2022
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      damn
Jun 09th 2022
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           lol right
Jun 09th 2022
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2 more coming.
Jun 14th 2022
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Those are lawsuits, not criminal charges.
Jun 15th 2022
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/browns-deshaun-watson-reaches-confide...
Jun 21st 2022
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settled with 20 of the 24 women
Jun 21st 2022
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allstah wept.
Jun 21st 2022
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      They settled so he isnt guilty
Jun 21st 2022
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           VVVVV See?
Jun 22nd 2022
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It was always a civil situation, and never a criminal situation.
Jun 21st 2022
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RE: solicit for sex from true, professional women
Jun 22nd 2022
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How do you know what his kink is?
Jun 22nd 2022
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      Oh, I thought you had a breakthrough...carry on.
Jun 22nd 2022
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      the whole thing is mind-boggling to me...
Jun 22nd 2022
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           some were prolly down with it
Jun 22nd 2022
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           Right, it outs the accusers
Jun 22nd 2022
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      breh.. you just gave us a detailed breakdown of his kink
Jun 22nd 2022
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           are we sure that nigga aint deshaun watson?
Jun 22nd 2022
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           LMAO
Jun 22nd 2022
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           I don’t know that man.
Jun 22nd 2022
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                you sure act like you were in the room.
Jun 22nd 2022
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RE: It was always a civil situation, and never a criminal situation.
Jun 22nd 2022
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      ^^WRONG
Jun 22nd 2022
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           STOP STOP STOP
Jun 22nd 2022
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           Dude, please
Jun 22nd 2022
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                Are you fucking Watson too?!?!?
Jun 22nd 2022
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                dude has no idea what he is arguing about anymore
Jun 22nd 2022
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                I don’t assume things or put forth accusations
Jun 22nd 2022
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                     Except for when you assumed these women’s claims were bullshit
Jun 22nd 2022
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                     Right, a grand jury not indicting is not the same as
Jun 22nd 2022
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                          Plus, we’re really gonna pretend like women should trust cops, DAs, et...
Jun 22nd 2022
484
                          IDK how an American adult can have lived through the Cosby case
Jun 22nd 2022
487
                               This isn’t even in the same universe as Bill Cosby. You know
Jun 22nd 2022
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                                    You are aware that solicitation is illegal?
Jun 23rd 2022
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                                    Oh so he broke the law then.
Jun 23rd 2022
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                          And it doesn’t mean that he did.
Jun 22nd 2022
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                     You're all over the place.....
Jun 22nd 2022
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                          He was just pulling his dick out?
Jun 22nd 2022
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                               so he is paying all these women off for what?
Jun 23rd 2022
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                               So he doesn't have to testify.
Jun 23rd 2022
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                               Every. Single. Fucking. Day.
Jun 23rd 2022
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                Everything you say is stupid, but this may be the stupidest thing you've...
Jun 23rd 2022
494
           Houston isn’t in Nevada
Jun 22nd 2022
477
6 games
Aug 01st 2022
497
Boom, as predicted.
Aug 01st 2022
498
can he appeal and get it reduced to 4 or is this a solid 6?
Aug 01st 2022
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they're saying he will not appeal...
Aug 01st 2022
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      Fuck the Shield...
Aug 01st 2022
501
           RE: Fuck the Shield...
Aug 01st 2022
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                Six games is more than adequate based on the evidence
Aug 01st 2022
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                RE: Six games is more than adequate based on the evidence
Aug 01st 2022
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                     i think sitting out all of 2021 helped him immensely
Aug 01st 2022
508
                     RE: i think sitting out all of 2021 helped him immensely
Aug 01st 2022
514
                     a lot more energy? how much energy are you using to post?
Aug 03rd 2022
527
                     Don’t forget to factor in the optics/mad-ness if he reoffends.
Aug 02nd 2022
519
                     NFL ain't gonna appeal
Aug 03rd 2022
525
                they gonna get cooked, and then the season will start and
Aug 01st 2022
518
Hopefully his right ACL explodes again in practice...nm
Aug 01st 2022
504
      Wouldn't shed a tear if it did happen
Aug 01st 2022
506
      why?
Aug 01st 2022
507
           ...because it would be hilarious.
Aug 01st 2022
510
                hoping for players to have season-ending injuries is hilarious now?
Aug 01st 2022
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                     Only when they're sexual deviants who assault women.
Aug 01st 2022
513
                          okayplayer. n/m
Aug 01st 2022
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                          hoooo boy
Aug 03rd 2022
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I feel like all this fake outrage and self-righteousness is over 2 games...
Aug 01st 2022
509
RE: I feel like all this fake outrage and self-righteousness is over 2 g...
Aug 01st 2022
512
Did you carry that same sentiment for Big Ben
Aug 01st 2022
515
      RE: Did you carry that same sentiment for Big Ben
Aug 01st 2022
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           Deshaun has never been CHARGED with anything, let alone convicted...
Aug 02nd 2022
521
                RE: Deshaun has never been CHARGED with anything, let alone convicted...
Aug 02nd 2022
522
                RE: Deshaun has never been CHARGED with anything, let alone convicted...
Aug 02nd 2022
523
                terrible example. Most times there is video evidence with cops
Aug 03rd 2022
526
                     did you enjoy the cool breeze as the point soared over your head?
Aug 03rd 2022
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                     RE: terrible example. Most times there is video evidence with cops
Aug 03rd 2022
541
                if i didnt already know you're as dumb as a brick...
Aug 03rd 2022
534
because America prefers the noose to the gavel.
Aug 03rd 2022
524
Dan Snyder approves
Aug 02nd 2022
520
NFL appeals...here we go, fellas
Aug 03rd 2022
528
= he starts the season.
Aug 03rd 2022
529
No, it doesn't...
Aug 03rd 2022
532
      you sure about that? Sports radio in Charlotte are worried
Aug 03rd 2022
539
           IT DOESN'T MATTER...(c)The Rock...
Aug 03rd 2022
542
                Zacklee.
Aug 04th 2022
543
                again, I just heard another argument this morning that he could fight it
Aug 05th 2022
548
                     but, that's the main diff between Deshaun and Zeke...
Aug 05th 2022
549
                          I would be shocked as well but they keep floating it on sports radio
Aug 05th 2022
550
He is appealing back to himself
Aug 03rd 2022
530
      Let me lay this out for you.....
Aug 03rd 2022
533
           No
Aug 03rd 2022
536
                RE: No
Aug 03rd 2022
537
                     No. That’s not what the judge did.
Aug 03rd 2022
538
                     RE: No. That’s not what the judge did.
Aug 03rd 2022
540
                          LOL
Aug 04th 2022
544
                     Pretty the judge was looking at complaints from 4 women
Aug 08th 2022
564
this will set an interesting precedent, if you're going to suspend a guy...
Aug 04th 2022
545
^^^ A man with some sense.
Aug 04th 2022
546
its all based on how much damage it does to the shield
Aug 04th 2022
547
Right. the NFLPA HAS to go hard on this one.
Aug 08th 2022
572
all i know is Deshaun Watson is a sexual predator.
Aug 05th 2022
551
it's weird that someone would defend him
Aug 07th 2022
553
i mean, this guy insisted on bringing his own towels to massages.
Aug 07th 2022
554
      The most outrageous thing he allegedly did was allow his phallus
Aug 07th 2022
556
           smh.
Aug 08th 2022
557
           Fixed it for you:
Aug 08th 2022
562
           b, b, b, b, but, the judge only looked at FOUR CASEZZZZ!!!!
Aug 08th 2022
567
           That is what it is, and that is the information that the Judge
Aug 08th 2022
570
                I have common sense. You have a “defense lawyer mentality.”
Aug 08th 2022
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                You can’t read.
Aug 08th 2022
580
                     Lololol
Aug 08th 2022
586
                i don't give a fuck about the words the judge used to describe it.
Aug 08th 2022
574
                     Well, that’s your standard and belief.
Aug 08th 2022
583
                          NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T.
Aug 08th 2022
584
                               His phallus brushing up against the arm of a therapist and
Aug 08th 2022
595
                                    i don't give a fuck if a grand jury didn't indict him.
Aug 08th 2022
596
                                         Well, it’s quite clear that you don’t give a fock.
Aug 08th 2022
597
           lol whut?
Aug 08th 2022
566
           yikes, man
Aug 08th 2022
568
           this nigga right here def got some skeletons in the closet.
Aug 08th 2022
569
           ^^^and this is the world that we live in, people
Aug 08th 2022
571
                officer arrest this man!
Aug 08th 2022
576
           i've gotten a lot of massages breh. that isnt "most outrageous"
Aug 08th 2022
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There's a difference...
Aug 08th 2022
558
nobody is defending Deshaun at this point, we all know he's a creep...
Aug 08th 2022
559
Watson is delusional
Aug 05th 2022
552
No way was he paying an 8 million dollar fine!
Aug 07th 2022
555
have yall seen any of the deposition clips floating around?
Aug 08th 2022
560
Corny stan coming to defend this in 3....2.....1
Aug 08th 2022
561
No one is defending him.
Aug 08th 2022
577
heres another tweet with the clip.
Aug 08th 2022
563
I don't like this guy. He's a manipulative narcissist and I hope he fail...
Aug 08th 2022
575
alibi for authorities or alibi for his hoes?
Aug 08th 2022
565
      ha.. I finally had a chance to watch the clip
Aug 08th 2022
578
           speaking of his girl...i really wanna know how she still w/ this man.
Aug 08th 2022
579
                Who the hell are you?
Aug 08th 2022
581
                lol. she don't got to explain shit to me. she don't GOTTA do anything.
Aug 08th 2022
582
                Dude has a $200mil contract lol
Aug 08th 2022
588
                     i didn't see her bank statements, but it sure looked like she...
Aug 08th 2022
589
                     don’t know her but I bet she doesn’t have $200mil guaranteed lol
Aug 08th 2022
591
                          word. i'm just saying...
Aug 08th 2022
592
                               women stay with cheating dudes for a lot less money lol
Aug 08th 2022
593
                                    that's facts.
Aug 08th 2022
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                     GUARANTEED!
Aug 08th 2022
590
Can we get another post?
Aug 08th 2022
585

Tiger Woods
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1. "if you want any more proof this is bullshit, consider Dabo Swinney"
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some good ol' boy goofball who you KNOW is a Trumper, vouched for Deshaun Watson's character and ability like I've never seen a college coach vouch for one of his players EVER

  

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2. "I'm not casting any judgment on this case but"
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I'm not sure that having Dabo behind you is a good thing.

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4. "what kinda weirdo shit is this"
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I don't know what deshaun has been accused of, much less what he did or did not do.

but what kind of idiot motherfucker would say "well his college football coach vouches for him, therefore he didn't do it"


that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard and you should feel bad for being the person who thought it was worth expressing

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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Tiger Woods
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33. "you and Cold Truth should start a club "
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of complete miserable dorks who don't have dick going on in your lives so you take out your lonely, miserable, jerk-off-4-times-a-day misery out on me.

In a way, I'm so thankful that I have you guys in my life, because no matter how negative I get personally, I'll at least never hate myself enough to type like you do.

Can't wait to not reply to your trolling reply.

  

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but apparently my presence enhances your life so


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196. "Riiight. it's not your endless stream of dumb, loud and wrong posts"
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Fri Apr-02-21 12:55 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

It's not now, nor has it ever, been at all about your persistent stream of smug, arrogantly declarative, wildly off base and flat out wrong statements.

Edit: lulz for the out of the blue name drop.

Fun fact: When I'm not talking to you about how fucking stupid that last thing you said was, or reading the stupid thing you said, I don't think of you at all.

Talk about a miserable dork with nothing to do but think of someone else.

>of complete miserable dorks who don't have dick going on in
>your lives so you take out your lonely, miserable,
>jerk-off-4-times-a-day misery out on me.

Exactly. It's because we're miserable dorks who don't have dick going in , and we've chosen to take out our lonely, miserable, jerk-off-4-times-a-day misery out on someone.

And not just anyone- YOU. Of all people on this site, YOU won that attention, specifically, and definitely because there's something special about you that makes lonely, miserable people who jerk off a lot address the things you *say*- but it's not at all, nor ever has been, about the things you actually say.

We don't have families, friends, jobs, hobbies, money, etc, and we live in someone's basement. Yes, the fantasy you've created for your message board foes is totally real. You nailed it.

lulz

What's priceless about you is, you never, ever respond to the actual criticism of the things you actually said.

You ALWAYS run straight to personal attacks, ignoring completely the criticism itself.


You're delusional. You say exceptionally stupid things, and not in a diplomatic way. People can be thoughtfully well-reasoned, and be wrong. But you? You like to be wrong with your chest out, arrogant and declarative- only to, very often, have to do a complete 180 when reasonable people have thoroughly explained how and why you were way, way the fuck off base.

>In a way, I'm so thankful that I have you guys in my life,
>because no matter how negative I get personally, I'll at least
>never hate myself enough to type like you do.

No, you'll never like yourself enough to be intellectually honest with yourself enough to stop this psychotic delusion you have that the content within the things you actually say aren't what elicits the responses they get, but instead it's flaws within the people who respond.

Feel free to ignore the actual content of this, ignoring the criticism of the content of your own words and demeanor.

Because, as has been pointed out to you countless times, in real time, you respond to criticism of the content of your comments with insults on the person who makes them.

This time will be no different.

  

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47. "I've read this post a number of times and I'm still confused"
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Fri Mar-19-21 11:47 AM by 3xKrazy

          

are you saying that because dabo (arguably the dumbest and most ignorant jackass in sports) vouched for a black athlete (his athlete) that this means that the athlete must be innocent of the allegations...because a trump supporting football coach wouldn't ordinarily support a black athlete unless he REALLY knew he was innocent?

Mind you, coaches are always gonna stick up for their guys no matter what no matter what regardless of race.

And aside from that, you'd think at this point that people wouldn't blindly vouch for someone because even 'nice' people are capable of fucking up in major ways and we've seen it time and time again.

And then the next level of stupidity are messageboarders vouching for professional athletes and people they've never even met. That's like...I don't even really know what to say to that.

  

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3. "football a dirty business smh"
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5. "Remember when Desean Jackson had troubling “gang affiliations’?"
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Mysteriously, we’ve heard nothing about this since. No arrests. No major issues on or off the field. Yet, when Chip Kelly wanted to get rid of him, these convenient reports of his gang involvement became a thing.

I’m not going to comment on Watson’s case, but I will say that a team can find ways to intentionally smear a guy’s name if it works in their interest.

  

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6. "How would this possibly work in their interest?"
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>I’m not going to comment on Watson’s case, but I will say
>that a team can find ways to intentionally smear a guy’s
>name if it works in their interest.

They likely already have trade offers on the table. How would instigating sexual assault rumors against their franchise quarterback benefit them in terms on increased quantity or quality of trade offers?

This theory would only work if the Texans higher ups are complete fucking idiots. Which is possible.

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7. "The theory would be - trade offers dry up , he stays a Texan"
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the allegations go away as we head into pre-season, and boom Texan keep their franchise QB and 'taught him a lesson'.

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10. "RE: The theory would be - trade offers dry up , he stays a Texan"
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>the allegations go away as we head into pre-season, and boom
>Texan keep their franchise QB and 'taught him a lesson'.
>
>

They’re gonna risk their biscuit with this type of shit and he’s gonna fuck around and Palmer them by retiring. And then he only comes back when the trade offer comes from a viable team.

  

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12. "Yeah, it doesn't seem like a good tactic (if that was their play)"
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I also don't know much about the actual allegations, so overall the allegations might not have anything to do with the team.

I could see a shitty, dumb, racist org like the Texans coming with a really dumb plan to keep him though.

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8. "LOL right. This is actively hurting his trade value."
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>>I’m not going to comment on Watson’s case, but I will
>say
>>that a team can find ways to intentionally smear a guy’s
>>name if it works in their interest.
>
>They likely already have trade offers on the table. How would
>instigating sexual assault rumors against their franchise
>quarterback benefit them in terms on increased quantity or
>quality of trade offers?
>
>This theory would only work if the Texans higher ups are
>complete fucking idiots. Which is possible.

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9. "what if they don't want to trade him?"
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13. "They don't want to and they don't have to. They never did."
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He is the one who wants to leave and if this is all fake then this definitely wouldn't convince him to stay in Houston.

I'm not sure there's a precedent for a team telling a want-away player that there are no reasonable offers and the player just being fine with that so theory is still predicated on the Texans being very dumb.

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15. "If he's truly willing to hold out they have to trade him or tank this ye..."
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so they don't have to trade him, but keeping him and having him hold out is not without risk or cost.

It feels gross for me to go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole, before even hearing any details of the actual allegations. So my bad.

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32. "LOL yes there we go."
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>It feels gross for me to go down the conspiracy theory rabbit
>hole, before even hearing any details of the actual
>allegations. So my bad.

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38. "I really don't have an opinion here. "
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We don't know shit tbh.

We don't know public figures like some of us think we do - see Bill Cosby.

I also remember George Steinbrenner getting banned from baseball for the absolutely grimy way he went after Dave Winfield over contracts and money.


I throw up my hands on this one, and say 'Let's see'.

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11. "you assume they have normal rational interests though"
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from where i sit in Titan land here's where it stands to me
1) we're not trading deshaun and he'll get over it
2) we're not trading deshaun and if he doesnt like it then he will never play again
3) if we do trade him, we're going to destroy his name for what he's done to us

personally i'd call his bluff and go w/ #2. he's not actually going to sit man. and even if he does, then lets see who blinks. it wouldnt be me.


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14. "As a Texans fan I've learned to never assume they are rational in anythi..."
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16. "The Texans don’t want to trade Deshaun. If they did, we would be gone"
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already.

Most reporters have said the Texans are telling franchises he isn’t available



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27. "But that wouldn't help the team either though"
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Even if the Texans were boxed into a corner over Watosn's demands, they still would have gotten a good deal for trading him; any offer was going to net them multiple first round draft picks and some solid player/QB. They'd at least have the building blocks for a rebuild.

If they end up waiving him/terminating his contract due to a moral clause or whatever, they get nothing at all, aside from cap space. They're already considered an inept organization, and now they'd be an inept organization who was out to wreck the career of a top-tier QB. That's not a good tactic to draw in marquee free agents.

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28. "^^^^^"
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>Even if the Texans were boxed into a corner over Watosn's
>demands, they still would have gotten a good deal for trading
>him; any offer was going to net them multiple first round
>draft picks and some solid player/QB. They'd at least have the
>building blocks for a rebuild.
>
>If they end up waiving him/terminating his contract due to a
>moral clause or whatever, they get nothing at all, aside from
>cap space. They're already considered an inept organization,
>and now they'd be an inept organization who was out to wreck
>the career of a top-tier QB. That's not a good tactic to draw
>in marquee free agents.

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30. "What do you mean they get nothing but cap space?"
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That’s a lot. That frees up money to go after top players, all while
destroying watson’s value, which ultimate destroys his career.

Getting cap space is like getting other players ...because that freed up money
will be used to do just that.

Good players get cut all the time to simply free up cap space.

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31. "It's like you didn't actually read the second paragraph."
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Because what other players are flocking to an inept organization that just destroyed the career of the very popular QB?

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34. "The theories keep getting worse as the reply count goes up."
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35. "That's generally what happens."
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37. "Because people want to play football and make money!"
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People bleed green. America is capitalism.

Seriously?

When has that ever stopped anyone from joining an organization,
because the org is inept, and degraded their own player?

What do you think happened to Kaepernick by the entire league?
Guess what? Players are still playing football.

We saw that with how the Titans treated Steve McNair. Locked him
out of their facility and basically treated him like crap when they no
longer wanted him.

Guess what?

Players are still playing for the titans.

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41. "Which of these options seems more llkely to happen:"
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This is all operating on the idea that the Texans now want Watson off the team after spending weeks/months indicating otherwise.

1. The Texans trade Watson, still entering his prime, to any of the many potential suitors for multiple first round draft picks, as well as potentially a starting QB and/or another skill player.

2. The Texans devise a plan to get a gadfly attorney to get three women to file civil lawsuits in hopes of it leading to them cutting Watson, and getting cap space and MAYBE bringing in marquee free agents at some point in the future.

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42. "All of it!"
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This is America. You sure have blind faith in people maintaining
some kind of moral standard, especially in football.

If number 2 is actually the situation, it will be cleaned up,
like all scandals are, and the money machine will continue to roll.

I have seen every scandal there is to see in sports, and teams
and leagues are still rolling.

Penn State allowed kids to get molested and anal fucked. That should
have brought on a lifetime ban. Top players are still going to Penn State
and they are still on TV making paper. Parents are still sending their
kids to Penn State. And that’s a platform where athletes are only getting
scholarships as pay.

So you think in the Pros, where billions are made , people are going to
have morals?

SMH

Stop being mentally thick.

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43. "RE: All of it!"
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>This is America. You sure have blind faith in people
>maintaining
>some kind of moral standard, especially in football.
>
>If number 2 is actually the situation, it will be cleaned up,
>like all scandals are, and the money machine will continue to
>roll.
>
>I have seen every scandal there is to see in sports, and teams
>
>and leagues are still rolling.
>
>Penn State allowed kids to get molested and anal fucked. That
>should
>have brought on a lifetime ban. Top players are still going to
>Penn State
>and they are still on TV making paper. Parents are still
>sending their
>kids to Penn State. And that’s a platform where athletes are
>only getting
>scholarships as pay.
>
>So you think in the Pros, where billions are made , people are
>going to
>have morals?
>
>SMH
>
>Stop being mentally thick.

Dumbest shit I ever read. Complete lack of critical thinking.

Why would one artificially depreciate an extremely valuable asset you intended to sell?

Why would you come up with such a ridiculous scheme to do so? After all, you could just vaguely imply he is in a gang or any other number of things that won't end up in a court of law or have you paying off people to break the law.

But also back to the first question, WHY ARTIFICIALLY DEPRECIATE AN ASSET BEFORE SELLING IT?

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44. "I’m not."
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I’m not saying that’s what they are doing. That wasn’t even the argument.
Lol.

The argument was would people still go play for the Texans if they actually did that,
and that free cap space is a huge deal.

So if they WERE, hypothetically speaking, players would still go
play for the Texans. The machine would still roll.

I’m simply saying that such a scandal wouldn’t stop business as usual,
because of the many far bigger scandals that have rocked football.


We were both speaking hypothetically.


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36. "“I’m not going to comment on the DW situation” - yet some of you "
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are actually trying to debate something I never said.

My DJax comment was only to shed light on the fact that if someone in a high ranking position wants to give the appearance that a player they don’t like or wants to part ways with is bad, they can find ways to manufacture stories.

I haven’t had the time to do any research on this particular situation and quite frankly don’t have the time to at the moment.

  

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17. "Conspiracy tinfoil wrapped tight"
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LOL @ thinking the Texans hired 3 women to smear their franchise QB with sexual assault allegations as part of some 3D chess plan to teach him his place


Not in a position to comment on the allegations except they are not good. Also weird that you would keep getting female masseuses and meeting them alone if problems keep happening.

But mostly, y'all can do better than the posts in this thread. Never go full Trump.

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18. "Their all civil lawsuits."
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Lol

Not one is criminal.

Civil perjury never gets tried, but it gets tried in criminal cases
if proven.

And that is one of the main reasons why some people go with
civil lawsuits, especially in an attempt to extort money and slander
someone’s name.

Plus lawsuits can go on forever, thus creating tremendous legal fees,
a move to force people to settle.

Also, their must be substantial evidence for a criminal case to go to court.
And the accuser doesn’t have to testify in a Civil Lawsuit.

What perfect timing. Lol

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19. "I see the usual disgusting posts are being made here."
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"Six women accuse a man of wrongdoing."

"Clearly they've been hired by Houston to teach him a lesson!"

... what the fuck? lol

Some of you have broken brains.

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20. "RE: I see the usual disgusting posts are being made here."
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The lawyer made a baseless six figure settlement demand before
pushing with a lawsuit.

And the lawyer is known for his fame and money chasing.

Watson is one of the most stand up athletes and human beings out there.
I would go to bat for him any day.

And not one single criminal charge was implemented, because it’s a money
grab.

Stop being white....if you can help it.

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22. "RE: I see the usual disgusting posts are being made here."
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>Watson is one of the most stand up athletes and human beings
>out there.
>I would go to bat for him any day.

Why do we keep doing this?

>Stop being white....if you can help it.

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29. "Doing what? Standing up for a good human being ?"
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The allegedly incident happened in 2020, well within the parameters of the
Statute of Limitations.

Where are the criminal charges? There are none. You know, you got to
have evidence for there to be indictments, not just simple allegations,
which lawsuits can be based upon.

And based on Watson’s impeccable record as a human being I stand by
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21. "I don't know anything about the allegations, but the lawyer..."
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...filing the suits is a well-known ass-clown in Texas.

I'll also say that I'm not buying that this is a set-up by the team.

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23. "Smart money say - let's wait and see, right?"
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I'm ok not having an opinion on this one right now. More info gonna come out.

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24. "apparent he's Cal McNair's next door neighbor"
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26. "It's not clear whether Buzbee was his neighbor or just likes to say..."
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...that he was. Sourcing on the claim is murky, especially since most of it comes from Buzbee.

But Buzbee is also the guy who bought a bunch of billboards pleading the Texans to draft Manziel.

It could be that Buzbee is a big Texans' fan and he views this a "helping" the organization, even though it really doesn't.

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39. "RE: So this is how they're coming for Deshaun..."
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Bad human being stuff of some kind is going down here.

If DW really did any of this stuff and put himself in this bad of a situation now that the women have decided to strike back..boo.

If this is a timed slander campaign put together by anyone because of the trade demands or some other stuff..boo.

I currently assume it is a bit of both both because my faith in folks is low.

And of course, there's the average folks who damn near hope that Deshaun actually did this stuff so that they can see another person get banished from earth or whatever canceling someone means this week.

I'll never understand how young, rich, in-shape, and famous dudes can't seem to find enough consensual partners to throw some d onto regularly. I know dudes who live with their mama in their 30s who get their shots to put it down on folks. Broke dudes. Fat dudes. Not great dudes. I'd much rather hear that pro athletes like DW were paying off the thots of the time period to come through, have fun, and roll out without much fanfare and/or incident.

Sadly, I DO very much understand folks wanting to have excess control over other people. And I get that the Texans are a clownshow and they probably care more about looking like the good guys and keeping the seats paid for than they care about any of these dudes on the team.

>https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31079126/lawsuit-filed-deshaun-watson-says-looks-forward-clearing-name
>
>Lawyer says lawsuit filed against Deshaun Watson, who says he
>looks forward to clearing name
>11:36 PM CT
>Sarah Barshop
>
>HOUSTON -- After Houston attorney Tony Buzbee said in an
>Instagram post Tuesday night that he has filed a lawsuit
>against Deshaun Watson, the Texans' quarterback put out a
>statement saying he looks forward to clearing his name.
>
>Watson responded on Twitter to word of the suit, saying he
>rejected "a baseless six-figure settlement demand," and that
>this is "about clearing my name, and I look forward to doing
>that."
>
>Buzbee did not specify the allegations against Watson in his
>post but referenced behavior with women and later told FOX 26
>in Houston that "Watson went too far" with a woman who was
>giving him a massage.
>
>"I have never treated any woman with anything other than the
>utmost respect," Watson said in his statement.
>
>Buzbee is well-known throughout the Houston area for his law
>firm and unsuccessful 2019 campaign against Mayor Sylvester
>Turner.

  

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63. "it has nothing to do with finding partners"
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>
>
>I'll never understand how young, rich, in-shape, and famous
>dudes can't seem to find enough consensual partners to throw
>some d onto regularly.
straight power and control, PERIOD. Whatever Cosby did, he could have had almost all of those women consensually. Think about all the other pro athletes who've been convicted of sexual assault. For every woman that rejected them, 10,000 would take their place. It is not about options, I mean if it was, professional athletes and entertainers would have a 0% chance of assaulting women.



I know dudes who live with their mama
>in their 30s who get their shots to put it down on folks.
>Broke dudes. Fat dudes. Not great dudes. I'd much rather hear
>that pro athletes like DW were paying off the thots of the
>time period to come through, have fun, and roll out without
>much fanfare and/or incident.

  

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45. "Deshaun Watson got issues.....nm"
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>https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31079126/lawsuit-filed-deshaun-watson-says-looks-forward-clearing-name
>
>Lawyer says lawsuit filed against Deshaun Watson, who says he
>looks forward to clearing name
>11:36 PM CT
>Sarah Barshop
>
>HOUSTON -- After Houston attorney Tony Buzbee said in an
>Instagram post Tuesday night that he has filed a lawsuit
>against Deshaun Watson, the Texans' quarterback put out a
>statement saying he looks forward to clearing his name.
>
>Watson responded on Twitter to word of the suit, saying he
>rejected "a baseless six-figure settlement demand," and that
>this is "about clearing my name, and I look forward to doing
>that."
>
>Buzbee did not specify the allegations against Watson in his
>post but referenced behavior with women and later told FOX 26
>in Houston that "Watson went too far" with a woman who was
>giving him a massage.
>
>"I have never treated any woman with anything other than the
>utmost respect," Watson said in his statement.
>
>Buzbee is well-known throughout the Houston area for his law
>firm and unsuccessful 2019 campaign against Mayor Sylvester
>Turner.

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46. "I’d like to rescind my “bullshit” remark up top"
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At the time this reeked of a smear campaign. Clearly , as more news has come out, it’s evident there’s more here.

  

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48. "one of the strangest things"
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is fans and the general public who have never been with 100 degrees of separation from these guys, claiming to know FOR CERTAIN that they're a "good person".

outside of a handful of cases, we have no fucking idea what a famous person is like in real life.

stop staning for someone you don't know, it's pathetic at best and openly promoting rape culture at minimum.

I'm aware that lot of people personally identify far too closely with their heroes, but shit, it's 2021. Get some perspective.

You can root for a guy and also not refuse to believe he's capable of something horrible. Both things are possible to coexist.

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49. "well, fans aren’t the most rational people"
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but I agree.

Dude throws a tight spiral so he must a nice person.

but I will also add that one attorney who says they have 9 people while filing a lawsuit and announcing it on instagram.. well, that also smells a bit fishy.

supposed to be a press conference this afternoon.


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50. "People are mostly rational, unless it’s Kobe "
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51. "word"
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>is fans and the general public who have never been with 100
>degrees of separation from these guys, claiming to know FOR
>CERTAIN that they're a "good person".

im surprised to still see posts like these on this forum in the year 2021.

we've seen some absolutely epic L's over the years on this board when people vouch on a personal level for their sports heroes that you'd think there'd be some lessons learned but i guess not.

  

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79. "Opposite was true for you/tOSU fans and Mo Clarett, no? "
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Everyone piled on to him being a terrible person
who "wasn't a good team player," and in hindsight he
was 18 and was being bullied and terrorized by his
demonic fanbase and hypocrite coach

So sometimes the opposite is true




  

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82. "Jesus christ wtf are you talking about?"
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Miss me with your delusional recollection and mega L from 20(!) years ago...

It’s a beautiful Sunday morning go hit up a brunch spot. Peace.



  

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54. "it is mindblowing"
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55. "same goes for politicians, really."
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People will insist "HE'S A GOOD GUY!" based on... stuff they saw in public statements or interviews? do people not realize that there are entire careers for people who shape those statements/interviews to make their clients look likable?

rhetorical question, because no. people don't know.

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62. "yerp, the quickness to dismiss"
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KNOWING how regularly women are still sexually harassed actually illustrates the problem quite well.

i mean is "damn this could be some shit" rather than "he's being set up" SUCH a hard position to take?

>is fans and the general public who have never been with 100
>degrees of separation from these guys, claiming to know FOR
>CERTAIN that they're a "good person".
>
>outside of a handful of cases, we have no fucking idea what a
>famous person is like in real life.
>
>stop staning for someone you don't know, it's pathetic at best
>and openly promoting rape culture at minimum.
>
>I'm aware that lot of people personally identify far too
>closely with their heroes, but shit, it's 2021. Get some
>perspective.
>
>You can root for a guy and also not refuse to believe he's
>capable of something horrible. Both things are possible to
>coexist.

  

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81. "Same thing goes against athletes, though"
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People reflexively ride behind management/teams/fans
and demonize athletes

So it does go both ways

Look at Kaepernick, the countless other Black athletes
demonized for almost nothing

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90. "which isn't true"
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because the rule is still the same -- they ride with whichever side they think represents their own interests

it's not going both ways, because it isn't a reverse in perspective.


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52. "How is a lawyer able to accumulate all these civil suits..."
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w/o any criminal charges first?

I don’t have an opinion...yet...but my observation...

This feels...off...?

3 lawsuits filed... and the lawyer is claiming 12 accusers in total

But none of the 12 people went to the police first?

F’n weird

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53. "this isn't actually a thing that is hard to figure out"
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56. "Jesus christ."
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>But none of the 12 people went to the police first?

Speaking of things that you can't believe we're still doing in 2021.

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57. "ah yes, the police!"
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among all the other reasons to blindly trust law enforcement, they have such a great track record of taking sexual assault allegations seriously.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/08/an-epidemic-of-disbelief/592807/

  

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61. "But how did they all find the same attorney at the same time "
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Did he put out a commercial like better call Saul?

All anonymous

All civil suits

Whatever the issue is with the police...this is public now...they kind of have to investigate now that the allegations have been made...no?

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67. "hell if I know"
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but if they're all in the same profession it makes sense that they'd know each other or have connections to each other. For the record, I totally get why you're suspicious of allegations made against a prominent Black man. If it was 1 or 2 accusations, i get it. But when there's multiple accusers the odds that it's all made up are slim to none. Plus the flip side to this is rich/famous/powerful people usually get away with shit regardless of their race.

>
>All anonymous

cmon man. Victims of sexual assault that come forward are subject to all kinds of harassment, including violence and death threats. When the accused is a public person you can multiply that by 1,000. Women don't feel comfortable coming forward when they ARE victims, you think that 12 women are gonna make their names public when they're lying? Even if the Texans (lol) promised all the money in the world it's highly unlikely they'd be able to pull off a plot to... disparage him so they can cut him??? Do I have that theory right?

>
>All civil suits

and??? It's often the only way to get any measure of justice in these cases.

>
>Whatever the issue is with the police...this is public
>now...they kind of have to investigate now that the
>allegations have been made...no?
>

No, they don't. They literally don't give a fuck. Maybe they'll make some public statement like "we're looking into this" but it's unlikely that will amount to anything, especially without cooperation from the victims (which they won't get, because why in the fuck would a sexual assault victim trust cops/a legal system that rarely takes this shit seriously?). Odds are the cops they'd talk to would be Texans fans anyway.

  

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76. "lmao at the Better Call Saul reference"
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cause dude definitely sounds like that type of lawyer.

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77. "A quick glance at his wiki page raises some flags"
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There's so many angles to this story that we could discuss...but I know folks don't want to make definitive statements before we even know the whole situation

For example; I'm very interested in the race of the women
These allegations are coming in the midst of a mass shooting at massage parlors targeting asian women

The timeline suggests alladeez assaults happened within the last year

Etc...

But just reading over dude's wiki page
He was personally involved in Perry's governorship
He contributed to Trump...a couple of times
He had a DUI dismissed by what looks like a quid pro quo

^^^ this is the guy who is the advocate for women's rights?

I'm really interested in the genesis of these allegations

...but I guess we're not allowed to talk about it...

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78. "whoa, a rich lawyer is shady"
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and politically evil as fuck?

STOP THE PRESSES

there's only one kind of person who hears accusations of sexual misconduct and decides that their validity is linked to how much you like the lawyer representing the accuser

  

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80. "Which is exactly the point I’m trying to make"
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Sexual assault allegations should be taken seriously and the victims should be heard

I’m discussing what has been presented to date

But people are too afraid to speak candidly about the topic for fear of being attacked and slandered by trolls like you

There’s plenty of context to discuss...but we can’t

The NFL should be investigating
The PD is on notice
But let’s not talk about it.

Never questioned the women or the allegations...well, we don’t even know who the women are
and their stories are being funneled through the questionable character of Buzbee

Care to discuss?

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83. "no you're not you stupid motherfucker"
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84. "you have a troll"
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and mostly dudes who aren’t Black scoffing at the idea this could be some bullshit

with a Better Call Saul type lawyer.

its like the perfect storm of who the fuck should we believe?

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89. "if you hate women the answer is always the same"
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95. "Didn’t Emmitt Till’s accuser recant on her death bed?"
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There’s no W here
Either a successful black man is a sexual predator
or a successful black man is false accused

People need to get out their feelings and join the conversation

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60. "This is why their claims are bullshit. "
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1. You just can’t generate a criminal case. A prosecutor has to get an indictment
based on evidence that something criminal took place.

2. In a criminal case, a person can be tried for perjury. So if a person lies,
and it is proven, they can go to jail!

3. The alleged victim must take the stand. Kobe’s case didn’t go to trial because
the victim refused to take the stand, so the case was dropped. Her credibility would
have been exposed had she testified, so her lawyers pursued a civil case to
pressure Kobe to settle, and he did.

Putting forth a lawsuit is a very easy action, because it doesn’t require evidence
for the case to go to trial. It can be based on allegations, and most people submit
lawsuits to get the other party to settle, because going to court can be very
expensive. So most parties settle to avoid further expenses and bad publicity.

The fact that not one single accuser is seeking criminal charges, and that there
is no police investigation taking place, means nothing criminal occurred.

I saw the DMs that were exchanged, and none of them prove that anything
criminal happened. With one of the girls, a particular service was agreed upon.
Watson specifically wanted his groin and glutes massaged, which are areas
that are normally massaged on football players. He specifically asks for that
in the DM. Expert physios have already stated that those are not unusual
massages, because football players are explosive runners.

So did she get uncomfortable with that when she got to his place, and he told
her that he wasn’t going to pay her if she didn’t perform the services that
she agreed to?

So she did it anyway, even though she felt uncomfortable?

If that was the case, then that’s not rape,or sexual misconduct. There
is nothing criminal about that.

What we have here are disgruntled employees, who were not physically
forced to render services. Watson simply specified the service that he
wanted , and probably wasn’t going to pay unless the service was rendered.

That was probably his request for the type of massage that he likes and wanted
with each therapist.

One of the therapists stated that she felt forced.
Feeling forced and being forced are too different things.

Based on CURENT EVIDENCE, this is not a case of rape, or sexual misconduct.

Now could this be a disagreement in business services, or what was expected
and agreed upon?

Possibly.

Innocent until proven guilty. And I support Watson until proven otherwise.











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64. "he typed 426 words of just making shit up"
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65. "Speaking hypothetically, of course. "
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73. "^^^^rooted, cheered, and mourned "
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for Kobe Bryant.

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70. "We're still fucking doing this huh"
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>But none of the 12 people went to the police first?
>
>F’n weird

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58. "*AbeSimpson.gif*"
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59. "i tried to do the same"
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fuck, this post is so dumb.

  

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66. "Two or three posters are hastening the death of this place."
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And we all know it. (Except for those two or three posters.)

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68. "More bullshit by Tony Buzbee"
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31094724/lawyer-says-civil-lawsuits-houston-texans-qb-deshaun-watson-12


“Buzbee said during the news conference that his office has been in contact with police and that he would provide information to them about the women who intend to sue Watson”

Police stated no such contact took place:

“The Houston Police Department said in a statement posted to Twitter later Friday that it was unaware of any contact it had with Buzbee regarding the allegations or the filings of any incident reports. “

He later said he was referring to a detective. Lol


More bullshit:

“We actually had contact with Deshaun Watson's agent/lawyer from Los Angeles, who minimized these allegations, who did not take them seriously," Buzbee said. "We wanted to resolve this matter without a lawsuit, without any publicity. “

“After Buzbee's announcement of the first lawsuit Tuesday, Watson responded on Twitter by saying that he rejected "a baseless six-figure settlement demand" and that this is "about clearing my name, and I look forward to doing that."

He tried to get Watson to agree to a six figure settlement, basically, extort him for money. Watson said no to the demands!

Watson also responded : “I have never treated any woman with anything other than the utmost respect,"

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So, these women came to him regarding Watson allegedly sexually
assaulting them. They don’t go the police, and he doesn’t go to the police.
But he immediately contacts Watson, and demands a six figure settlement?

This comes off as a swindle job. And I stand behind this man proclaiming
his innocence UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.

And I don’t expect any other poster, especially white posters, to stand up for
this man’s innocence until proven otherwise.






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69. "dude, please log out. go watch basketball."
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you're making us all look bad with this.

you don't know Deshaun Watson.


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71. "And you don’t know him either "
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But that didn’t stop you from saying Deshaun Watson has a problem,
basically saying that he is guilty. You have zero evidence of anything.

You have no proof that he did anything.

So he is a man that is innocence until proven guilty.

You’re dealing with a man’s Name, his life, his track record, his family.

And his track record has been impeccable with no history whatsoever
of abusing women.

That means something, and it stands for something.

You loosely said some bullshit with no proof of anything. I posted
links and information SHOWCASING inconsistencies and lies in
the lawyer’s actions.

Someone has to do proper research. Or you can just continue with
your sensationalized accusation.




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72. "You need a hobby nm "
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>But that didn’t stop you from saying Deshaun Watson has a
>problem,
>basically saying that he is guilty. You have zero evidence of
>anything.
>
>You have no proof that he did anything.
>
>So he is a man that is innocence until proven guilty.
>
>You’re dealing with a man’s Name, his life, his track
>record, his family.
>
>And his track record has been impeccable with no history
>whatsoever
>of abusing women.
>
>That means something, and it stands for something.
>
>You loosely said some bullshit with no proof of anything. I
>posted
>links and information SHOWCASING inconsistencies and lies in
>the lawyer’s actions.
>
>Someone has to do proper research. Or you can just continue
>with
>your sensationalized accusation.
>
>
>
>
>

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74. "Post 45"
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That’s your post.

A sensationalized allegation with zero proof, but you just wanted to chime
in. You have zero idea of how dangerous that is.

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75. "there's no reason to address dude directly"
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it's going to be eight more posts of word diarrhea

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98. "yea im out."
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>it's going to be eight more posts of word diarrhea
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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85. "In a country that has been lying on the penises of Black men"
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in some homo-erotic white supremacists mythology fantasy / fascination no one brings up race the big bad negro and the rapist stereotype.

Yet this country was founded by human trafficking, pedophile, rapist who were literally genocidal land thieves aka Land speculation aka gentrification.

A great number of Black men lynched in US history were usually business owners aka people of means Eurasians were jealous of so they lied on their penis to lunch and castrate them (A majority of the time)

But people are capein because he is a celebrity.

STAPH.

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86. "Big Ben is still collecting NFL checks."
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87. "My post just went over your head"
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lol

George Washington has monuments, cities, colleges, schools and his image on the national currency.

He was also a rapist, "land speculator", human trafficker.

His complexion is not the same as the person accused in this case.

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88. "I'm just talking about 2021"
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92. "RE: Big Ben is still collecting NFL checks."
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Jerry Sandusky's downfall was the cover Ben needed to get his shit whitewashed.

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93. "?"
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?

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94. "nah, more like the bar taped over the security tape "
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so there was no video evidence for that second accusation

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91. "Truth.com"
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96. "excerpt from one of the lawsuits (reddit swipe)"
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https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/mar1qu/locker_the_11th_lawsuit_against_deshaun_watson/grtr4ef/

This is an extract from the lawsuit, from a woman who was sexually harassed once but did massage him a second time (as u/ninjazora pointed out after I missed it - she didn't know it was Watson she would be massaging the second time until she entered the room):

"Plaintiff told Watson that his behavior the last time was inappropriate. Plaintiff recalls that Watson apologized and told her something to the effect that he had never been rejected by a woman before.

Plaintiff informed Watson that she was a lesbian, so she was not interested in him and Watson agreed not to be inappropriate again. Plaintiff proceeded to give Watson the massage. Watson told Plaintiff that he only wanted his lower body massaged, so Plaintiff started off massaging the back of Watson’s quads.

Watson insisted that he wanted Plaintiff to “go higher,” closer to his butt cheeks. Plaintiff went higher, but Watson was still not satisfied, and insisted that Plaintiff come even higher Plaintiff was confused and did not understand. Plaintiff assumed that Watson wanted his back massaged, so she proceeded to massage his back.

Watson then grabbed Plaintiff’s hands and placed them on his buttocks and moved them around in a circular motion. Watson asked Plaintiff to use more oil and he then put Plaintiff’s hands inside his anus. Plaintiff was shocked and confused. Watson told Plaintiff “I can tell you are a lesbian because you are so good with your hands.”

Plaintiff became irritated and uncomfortable, but she did not want to get in trouble with her manager. Plaintiff told Watson to lay on his back, and that was when Watson became even more aggressive, and started commenting on Plaintiff’s body. Watson then pulled Plaintiff towards him and told her “I want to cum,” Plaintiff was confused and told Watson that she does not perform those kinds of services.

Watson responded saying that he receives that kind of treatment at the spas that at where he usually gets his massages. Watson said the other therapists make him “cum.” Watson continued harassing Plaintiff and asked her to kiss him and suck on his chest.

Watson asked if Plaintiff was really a lesbian, Plaintiff ignored his advances and told him to stop acting like a pervert. At this point, Plaintiff was embarrassed and humiliated, but she did not want to lose her job. Plaintiff just wanted Watson to leave, but she was scared.

She continued massaging his chest, Watson then exposed himself and told Plaintiff to massage his penis area. Plaintiff declined and covered his penis. Watson asked why Plaintiff did not want to touch his penis. He then asked her to perform oral sex on him and to pretend that he was a woman, since she had never been with a man before.

Watson became even more aggressive and forced Plaintiff’s mouth onto his penis. Watson told her “there is a first time for everything.” Plaintiff was so scared and distraught, she was sweating and nervous. She was alone at the spa and feared scared for her life. Watson then proceeded to wrap his legs around Plaintiff’s neck and told her to kiss him and to spit on his penis.

Plaintiff declined and he released her head. Watson went even further and began masturbating in front of Plaintiff and he ejaculated shortly after. Plaintiff was humiliated and horrified. The NFL is notorious for a culture that fosters sexual harassment and sexual assault."

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97. "I haven't read through the complaints"
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but I heard bomani and domonique talking about the one accusation

where the therapist said he hit her up on instagram

and idk what's true or not or who did what, but $100m contract quarterback scrolling through ig to find massage therapists...I don't know what explanation mans can come up with that makes that not the start of some creepy ass behavior


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99. "Its called the Covid-19 Pandemic"
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where he didn’t have access to his regular/usual massage therapists.
His lawyer already provided statements on it.

Glad you were able to reach such a monstrous conclusion without
perusing, or based on your own perception.

The cases are based off recent business encounters. This wasn’t a yearly
routine.

But please continue with your judgements



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100. "nah, thats where DeShaun fucked up"
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once you are a $100 mill man you dont use IG like this

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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102. "you can't get a referral from anybody?"
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I am not an expert in the texas massage industry

but I feel like there's gotta be another option

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104. "Lmao..."
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>I am not an expert in the texas massage industry
>
>but I feel like there's gotta be another option

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105. "Tiger Woods , who is a billionaire,"
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was using his flip phone to routinely hookup with blonde prostitutes.

In this day and age of advanced technology, the liaison or middle
man is dead. That is the mentality of this current generation, wealth
or no wealth.


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109. "and he also left recorded messages with his name.. terrible example"
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Tiger was an idiot too

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101. "I haven't reached a conclusion or a judgement"
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you will not be addressed by me again

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103. "That would be great. "
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113. "The civil suits make more sense now"
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Sounds like it would be hard to prove a crime happened

A lot of perceived threat of violence, etc...

It reminds me of the bit Dave did about Louie CK

There’s enough there for a suspension though...

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106. "Yea dude is a sleezeball"
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Not to mention a dumbass

I'm guessing the usual handjob spas were shut down during lockdown and he needed his fix

But them masseuse ladies weren't hard to find at all

My boy in Houston frequents them joints and he was telling me they was still on deck doing house calls during the lockdown. Hell he even said some still had v their doors or backdoors as he put it open.

And he a regular nygga

not a millionaire professional QB and celebrity

I'm getting Darren Sharper vibes from this

He had access to women who would consensually provide these type of services but he got his rocks off by forcing himself on women who weren't with it




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107. "I would like to see proof or evidence"
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of YOUR claims.

By law this man is innocent, until there is evidence beyond a reasonable
doubt that can incriminate him for what he is being accused of.






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111. "definitely sounds bad, still no criminal charges yet, you have to wonder..."
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if he hadn't been demanding a trade would any of this had came out?

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112. "You actually definitely don't have to wonder that."
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>if he hadn't been demanding a trade would any of this had
>came out?

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130. "I think the timing is mostly motivated by the big new contract"
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I'm not discounting the allegations but I think any lawyer is going to take alot more interest in a case like this when the accused was recently paid a $27M signing bonus.

Rich lawyers don't get that way suing poor people.

I am skeptical the team is as eager to protect Watson right now but I also wonder just how far they'd be willing to go if Watson wanted to be a Texan for life.

Like suppose the lawyer expects a big pay day... multiple millions in settlement. Would the owner be willing to cough up another $3-$5M to clean up after his star QB?

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108. "If you’re a massage therapist, and you worked on Deshaun Watson"
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you could be compensated, please call 1-800-Houston.

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110. "lmao"
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you know he sent that shit out too

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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114. "People lie. And the world is primed to believe the worst"
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Esp abt a high profile Black man.

No I don't believe it

Yes I think he's innocent.


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
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115. "you could've not come back"
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118. "man I *strongly* disliked bin's post"
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but given the amount of foot traffic on this site do you really think that you should be discouraging people from posting? as a mod no less?

frank mentioned that 2 or 3 people are hastening the death of this site...where do you fit into this description?

this thread has been illuminating on a variety of levels.

  

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119. "I don't actually work here"
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so the concept kinda falls apart from the start

separately, having people here who suggest that sexual assault charges are frequently made up does more to drive people away.

you can disagree with that I guess.

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123. "you think my point is dependent upon you being on the payroll?"
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someone involved with this site was dumb and irresponsible enough to make you a moderator, and while I'm not privy to your specific arrangement, unless your tasks include toxic bullying, abusive behavior towards others, stifling discussion, and actively driving people away from this site then I don't know what value your mod status has brought here.


>separately, having people here who suggest that sexual assault
>charges are frequently made up does more to drive people
>away.

I get that you need some bonkers way of rationalizing your gross treatment of others, but this is a severely warped interpretation of events and how the internet works in general.

obviously you get off on acting this way, and that's really all there is to it.

  

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264. "you seem upset about something"
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one second you're afraid I'm driving people away

the next second you're sure all stah isn't driving people away based on...whatever idea you have

the next, you're whatever this reply is.

you seem to want me to feel a responsibility toward you personally. I do not.

I don't know why you're cloaking that in terms of whatever arrangement you've imagined I have.

I'm not even a moderator on this board LOL.

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305. "funny, one could say that ur never ending vitriol and internet bullying"
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reveals some serious emotional issues that you may be going through. so maybe ease up on the internet psychologist routine and attempting to discern my emotional state.

this isn't nearly as complicated as you're making it out to be. you've been called out on it countless times over the years and by a variety of people in this very thread. it's been very clearly spelled out for you. you won't read nor accept any of it. and that's fine. there's just not much more to say.


>you seem to want me to feel a responsibility toward you
>personally. I do not.

and this is your go-to. yes I get it...you don't care about me personally, I mean nothing, etc etc.. Cool cool cool. keep up the great work of cursing everyone out in this thread.

  

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308. "where did I play internet psychologist or discern your emotional state?"
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just copy paste the line because I don't see it.


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310. "wait, do you think that if you're upset, that makes me a psychologist?"
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I'm just a person who can read.


I don't think it takes a psychologist to notice you deciding out of the blue to bring up something that's apparently been festering within you for years and describe that as you being "upset"


that's not a medical diagnosis

I really thought that we were beyond the whole "if you admit you're upset the other person wins" thing but maybe y'all don't?

If I've got it correctly, you think this is a game where I win if you're upset?

I don't think that. if you're not upset and actually are happy and secure and really enjoy this whole experience then I'm pretty sure we're both winning.

if you don't enjoy it and it's causing you distress then that should not be the case.


idk what else to do for you man

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304. "good to know that you no longer think people can be discouraged"
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from posting.

idk why you decided to lie a few weeks ago but now that we know the truth I'm glad we went on this journey, it was great.

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315. "safe to assume you don't realize ur having an imaginary conversation "
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with yourself

  

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324. "if I were imagining your replies, they'd be on topic"
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and not nearly so boring.


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116. "Post got quiet since his lawyer responded"
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I hate that this is playing out in public, instead of a criminal court

...but here we are...

Apparently, one of the accusers tried to extort Watson earlier this year

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117. "public opinion is always the first play with these types of cases"
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especially with these types of lawyers

press conferences and instagram post

I’m sure the hope is DeShaun settles before the season starts.

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120. "so how many replies have to be posted daily"
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for you to be happy?

25?

37?

lmk

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121. "It’s sad watching you make this story about you"
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Do better.

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122. "IMO, the admission confirmed there's some fire behind all the smoke"
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Yeah, he claims one tried to extort him but he's also admitting he had sexual contact with her.

Well once you've copped to sexual contact with one massage therapist, it isn't hard to imagine you sought it with others. The admission gives credibility to the other claims that he would seek sexual contact with a massage therapist.

And since there are sex workers in the massage industry, it isn't hard to imagine that some of these women are hesitant to go the criminal route, because that would lead to alot more attention onto what they do day-to-day. It may not be worth it to go to criminal court to prove intimidation, indecent exposure, etc... but a check from civil court or a settlement would make up for his alleged bad deeds.

And I do think he's going to end up paying.

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131. "Well said. This makes sense."
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>Yeah, he claims one tried to extort him but he's also
>admitting he had sexual contact with her.
>
>Well once you've copped to sexual contact with one massage
>therapist, it isn't hard to imagine you sought it with others.
>The admission gives credibility to the other claims that he
>would seek sexual contact with a massage therapist.
>
>And since there are sex workers in the massage industry, it
>isn't hard to imagine that some of these women are hesitant to
>go the criminal route, because that would lead to alot more
>attention onto what they do day-to-day. It may not be worth it
>to go to criminal court to prove intimidation, indecent
>exposure, etc... but a check from civil court or a settlement
>would make up for his alleged bad deeds.
>
>And I do think he's going to end up paying.
>

  

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132. "No. It doesn’t make sense."
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It just proves that he had CONSENSUAL relations, and that
the accuser wasn’t raped. It proves that more than anything else.


He never denied sexual contact. He denied rape or anything illegal.
And consensual sex or being promiscuous is not against the law.


Also, his behavior or position isn’t that strange, considering massage parlors
evolved out of prostitution being banned in America. Brothels modified into
massage parlors to cloak their true service, which is why there is a strong
relation between the two.

Clearly he went that route for that type of service. That’s quite obvious, considering
the amount of therapists he did business went. My assumption, he probably went
that route to be discreet about it, instead of going the escort service route, and for
that interaction to get exposed.

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136. "RE: No. It doesn’t make sense."
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>It just proves that he had CONSENSUAL relations, and that
>the accuser wasn’t raped. It proves that more than anything
>else.

We don't know it was consensual. That is the difference between his claim and hers.

But they both agree that he had sex with her.

>He never denied sexual contact. He denied rape or anything
>illegal.
>And consensual sex or being promiscuous is not against the
>law.

It's not against the law but it would be better for him to be able to say he's never had sex with a massage therapist than to say, well, this one time... but only that one time!


>Also, his behavior or position isn’t that strange,
>considering massage parlors
>evolved out of prostitution being banned in America. Brothels
>modified into
>massage parlors to cloak their true service, which is why
>there is a strong
>relation between the two.
>
>Clearly he went that route for that type of service. That’s
>quite obvious, considering
>the amount of therapists he did business went. My assumption,
>he probably went
>that route to be discreet about it, instead of going the
>escort service route, and for
>that interaction to get exposed.


Not really sure where you're going with this because IF he's trolling for sex, it's very reasonable to think he was sometimes propositioning the wrong women.

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124. "I think it’s just that All Stah and Truth took a PTO day lol"
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125. "since I started the post over a week ago I've commented 2 or 3 times...."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewm12cOocQY

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134. "new news = new posts. aint been any new news since Wed"
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at least from what i have seen, and i keep ESPN on all day.

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137. "Which itself is strange...but so much of this process is strange "
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The initial allegations are made
Coverage ensues
Watson’s lawyer responds
<crickets>

The story has been silent for almost a week now
Same ‘tensity

The allegations are approaching 20 in number
That’s a serial sexual predator
<no arrest>

The language used to describe the allegations have consisted of sexual ‘assault’ and ‘harassment’
Forcing someone to perform oral sex is rape

Like I said from the start
The public allegations put the HOU PD on notice
as well as the NFL

...2 weeks later...and the story feels like it’s disappeared

F’n weird.

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126. "Last Monday, Tony Buzbee stated that he would be submitting"
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affidavits from the accusers and other evidence to the police ASAP.
However, Houston Police have yet to receive any evidence,
and Buzbee hasn’t responded on why he has yet to submit anything.

Yes, Tony, you spoke profusely about the immense amount of evidence
that you have, and that said evidence would prove the allegations of your
clients are true.

We are waiting, Tony. It has been 4 days since you made that claim.

A man’s reputation, name, and profession are on the line here.


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127. "This is Thank God It Snowed level L"
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but instead of it being about football, it's about blindly defending a likely rapist.

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128. "It’s called Law. "
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And in Law, there are rules and stipulations that must be met in order
for one to be charged,tried,judged and convicted.

Law is not based on sentiments, feelings, expectations or perceptions.
So there is no court of public opinion. There is only the court of Law,
and everything that enters must be true and factual beyond a reasonable
doubt.

Your narrative and perception fail. You have already convicted this man in
your mind, and have attached a dark title to his name


You have yet to acknowledge the possibility of slander, scorn, hate, and
manipulation from the accusers. I stated that I stand by Deshaun, and that
he is innocent until proven otherwise.

Why?

That is the LAW.

So bring forth the ALLEGED evidence because a man’s freedom is hanging in
the balance. Where is this gargantuan amount of evidence against Deshaun,
that was said to exist? THE LAW IS WAITING, because someone has been
ACCUSED.


Since the beginning of slavery ,black people have been falsely accused of crimes,
and unfairly judged and convicted. When it comes to people of color, people want
to automatically skip the period of discovery, due process, and all the other
required actions and steps that must be exercised before one is OFFICIALLY
judged.

The L is on you, my brother.





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129. "thank god it snowed on the massage table"
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139. "You should see the Kellen Winslow post , it was worse "
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>but instead of it being about football, it's about blindly
>defending a likely rapist.
>
>

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133. "its just sad that the eagerness to tear down a black man and lock him..."
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up and throw away the key while whites do the same and worse and its almost ignored by closeted racist non-blacks and dumb ass black sheep that follow them.

Its same thing that allows blacks to be shot, choked and murdered indiscriminately and non-black mass shooters get taken into custody ALIVE.

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135. "It’s a travesty."
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I’ve come to recognize that the Okayplayer platform likes to degrade
and batter the reputation and image of African American men. They are
never afforded the benefit of the doubt, and are immediately demonized.

I’m also starting to realize that the demonization is coming from quite
a few Caucasian posters.

And when an African American man has been vindicated, cleared, or
found not guilty, you don’t hear a peep out of them.



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138. "who is eager again?"
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140. "Massage Therapist tells SI of her experience w/ Watson (link)"
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/29/first-hand-story-of-deshaun-watson-inappropriate-behavior-not-in-lawsuit

isnt suing through Buzbee but she is exploring options

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141. "I've done a total 180, I believe this happened, and I think he's a perv"
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142. "They’ve established a pattern of behavior "
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But I don’t see a crime

Unless the women who were touched press charges

This story is Louie CK territory

The civil suits make sense

and he should be suspended for the season

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143. "credit for having the most mature and pragmatic take in the whole post"
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156. "credit for being a piece of shit to start and to finish"
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144. "wow, really?"
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>and he should be suspended for the season

"Mary makes clear that Watson did not touch her, nor did he force her into conducting any sexual acts."

how many seasons did he miss?: https://www.vice.com/en/article/bmwe8w/ben-roethlisberger-quarterback-twice-accused-of-sexual-assault

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145. "Ben brutally raped Andrea Mcnulty."
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It was settled out of court. The only reason she didn’t pursue a criminal
case, she was too mentally fucked up to testify, and she didn’t want
to bring publicity onto her family. That woman had to enter a mental institution.
There was more than enough evidence to have him locked up.

It’s the same thing with Kobe Bryant.

Those were serious cases of RAPE and neither one was punished. Women
were penetrated in those situations, and there was evidence to support it.


Deshaun Watson’s case is entirely different. These are cases based on his behavior
as a client to multiple massage therapists.

Was his behavior criminal or simply immorally inappropriate?

There is a difference. So far no evidence has been submitted to support any
claims of rape or criminal behavior. The woman stated in the SI that Watson
didn’t touch or rape her, but put her in a very uncomfortable situation.

The only things that have been established are ACCUSATIONS and BELIEFS.




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146. "its always been the same..."
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https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-brock-turner-cory-batey-show-race-affects-sentencing-article-1.2664945

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147. "and this...:"
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/28/darius-leonard-compares-coverage-of-deshaun-watson-and-chad-wheeler/

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148. "Yes, really...dude needs help"
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Based on what has been offered to date

20 women making similar accusations

The NFL has a personal conduct policy...they are not law enforcement

But the bigger issue IMO, that suspending him may address

This guy needs help

Miss me with the whataboutism...Ben shoulda done jail time.

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149. "I’m glad you’re not a lawyer,doctor,counselor, legislator "
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or any prominent figure in society that has a say in the judgement or
diagnosis of a human being.

Your perception is similar to the movie “ The Crucible”.

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151. "Except he’s already admitted to inappropriate behavior "
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Part of one of the stores...suggests the masseuse was referred by an NFL employee (a HOU coach I believe)

There shouldn’t be ANY sexual contact with the massage therapist while they are executing their duties

Consensual or not, it’s inappropriate

How would returning to field help resolve these issues?

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152. "now a massage with a happy is high treason but its not ask Robert Kraft...."
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and while I realize there are differences in professional masseurs' and those that offer other services the lines can be blurred depending on how famous you are and how much money you have just like everything else.

I don't know if Deshaun is innocent or guilty as no actual criminal charges have been filed but the timing of all of this is weird on both sides. If he had all this out there after landing his huge contract you would think he would shut up and play football instead demanding a trade a year later. The flip side is why is all this just coming out now after he has demanded a trade from Houston?

And why is nobody talking about Chad Wheeler?

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153. "Consensual or Not?"
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All due respect, that doesn’t make sense.

If he had consensual sex with a massage therapist who was recommended
by a NFL coach, that is not misconduct or inappropriate.

Being promiscuous is not misconduct or inappropriate.

Illegal sex or forced sex is an action of misconduct or
or bring inappropriate.

And we are waiting on proof of that, so the NFL cannot suspend him.
There is no video tape, no recording, nothing, just accusations and denials.
That’s why the NFL can’t move forward.

With Ben there was proof, but the woman didn’t want to pursue a criminal
case, even after being advised to do so by authorities.

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154. "Yes, it is inappropriate."
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20? different massage therapists...20?

Like I said, there is an alleged pattern of behavior

In which a celebrity (athlete) is using his status to facilitate an erotic fantasy/fetish

...with professional massage therapists that are at the bottom of the authority paradigm...

A celebrity athlete as a client is a YUGE co-sign for these women

They are in a compromised position and making sexual advances after being rejected is inappropriate conduct.

+ he pulled his dick out and jacked off in front of these women

I’m going to say that is inappropriate, and I hope any adult would agree.

Not illegal

Inappropriate.

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159. "This case is going to come up a lot in law school."
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You can count on that.

There is still just too much stuff that has not been verified.

We know he had sex with with one of the girls, because his
lawyer stated the sex was consensual, and that they have text
messages between both parties to confirm it.

Him taking his dick out and masturbating has not been confirmed. It
has been alleged but not confirmed. And the girl in the SI article stated
that he didn’t touch or rape her. That supports him not being
a rapist in that particular case.

There just needs to be some type of clarity on the inappropriate behavior.
We still only have allegations. That’s what I’m saying. Now if there was
some type of admission on his end, that would be one thing. But all we
have are allegations, which showcases a POSSIBLE pattern of behavior.

I hate to be the DA from Law and Order, but that is how I roll. It’s like Kima
in The Wire refusing to identify Weebay, because she could not prove that
he was at the shooting no matter how much a criminal he was.

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161. "Criminally, I don’t disagree "
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I disagree on inappropriate

It is that

Civilly liable...if they parade 20 women to the stand with similar stories...I can see it

Violation of the NFL’s personal conduct policy...I can see it

Why I think he needs help...this should be settled

He should’ve settled the first 2, and required NDAs and no further litigation

...catch and kill and alladat...

He made a public statement admitting sex with a massage therapist

= he’s getting bad advice and needs a timeout to change his life

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150. "I’m a Steeler fan and some of them actually believe Deshaun"
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isn’t getting treated as harshly as Ben after his first SA allegation.

fans are horrible.

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158. " I don't recall this guy missing any seasons either..."
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https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/14826436/documents-reveal-peyton-manning-accuser-called-sexual-assault-crisis-center-report-1996-incident

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/02/13/peyton-manning-tennessee-sexual-assault-allegations-jamie-naughright

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197. "AB missed 8 games"
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you know the NFL loves to punish Black players harsher to show they are “serious” about DM and SA cases.

AB was an ass but it was still his first offense.

Also know that the Steepers owner pushed for Ben’s suspension to get him straighten up. If not for our front office he may have received an even lighter punishment

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157. "all the people who care what bentagain thinks about literally anything"
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please show yourselves

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155. "look at these sick sad motherfuckers"
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160. "We are debating about a civil lawsuit in a civilized manner."
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No different than what you see in court between a defense
lawyer and a prosecutor.

There is not one thing sick or sad about it. What is sick or sad
is to not properly try a man, or to disregard both parties..

My stance and actions are in alignment with the court of law.
There must be proof and evidence of a crime beyond a reasonable
doubt.

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163. "But the legal standard in a civil suit is more likely than not"
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Some of the folks on here have been focusing on the criminal court, as if that's the sole arbiter of wrong doing, when it's not.

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164. "also they're not in a criminal court"
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wouldn't be qualified to be

don't have enough information to know what the right thing to do would be if they were


and are only doing it because they want to feel like they have some backing for being shitheads

so that about closes the book on that.

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162. "look at these sick sad motherfuckers"
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as I said.

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165. "Buzbee now says he doesn’t feel comfortable submitting evidence "
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to the police.

Dude posted this on Instagram according to ESPN.

Says Hardin’s son works for the police but he isn’t implying Hardin’s son would influence the case.

They also said Deshaun has removed text and IM messages. Yet Hardin says Deshauj hasn’t removed anything since the first accusation was made public on March 15th.

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166. "Buzbee is full of shit "
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He lied and said that he was in close contact with the Houston Police,
and that he was going to send them tons of evidence to purse criminal
cases.

Police dept immediately responded, stating that Buzbee didn’t contact them,
and evidence had yet to be provided.

Now, he isn’t going to submit anything, because he doesn’t have any
evidence and never did.

https://sports.yahoo.com/attorney-at-center-of-deshaun-watson-litigation-says-he-wont-turn-over-information-to-houston-police-043556867.html





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167. "18 therapists defend Deshaun Watson, as two more women file lawsuits..."
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/texans/2021/03/31/deshaun-watson-lawsuits-18-therapists-defend-texans-qbs-conduct/4819006001/

18 therapists defend Deshaun Watson, as two more women file lawsuits against him
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The legal teams representing Deshaun Watson and the women accusing him of sexual misconduct continued their public posturing Tuesday night and early Wednesday, as two more women filed lawsuits against the Houston Texans quarterback.

Watson's team, led by Rusty Hardin, issued a news release with on-the-record statements from 18 women who say they have previously had massage sessions with Watson and he never acted inappropriately.

Meanwhile, Tony Buzbee, who has filed lawsuits on behalf of Watson's accusers, reversed course and indicated that his clients do not intend to file reports with police.

"My clients will go elsewhere to provide our evidence to investigative authorities," Buzbee wrote in part of a lengthy statement on social media. "Stand by."

Deshaun Watson's future in the NFL has become more murkier as allegations of sexual misconduct mount.
Watson, 25, is now facing civil lawsuits in Harris County District Court from a total of 21 unnamed women – including two complaints that became publicly available Wednesday morning. The women have accused Watson of inappropriate conduct or sexual assault during separate massage sessions over the span of more than a year.

A 22nd woman came forward with similar allegations in a Sports Illustrated article this week, but she said she has not filed a lawsuit and is not one of Buzbee's clients.


Watson has not been charged with a crime and broadly denied wrongdoing.

CHRISTINE BRENNAN:With more allegations, comes more uncertainty for Deshaun Watson's future

His attorney, Hardin, pointed to the 18 statements in support of Watson as evidence that "the other side to this story that has been so lacking in the flurry of anonymous complaints filed by opposing counsel." He added that the women in the news release, most of whom are massage therapists, have collectively worked with Watson more than 130 times.


"Deshaun never made me feel uncomfortable or intimidated," massage therapist Masako Jones said in one of the statements. "... I am just completely floored by these lawsuits. The behavior described in them doesn’t sound like him at all."

Their collective defense of Watson came just a few hours after two new lawsuits against him appeared in the court's online docket.

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One of the new complaints alleges that Watson groped a massage therapist and coerced her into performing oral sex during separate massage sessions in the Houston area during a six-month span last year. The lawsuit also claims that the woman has since moved out of Texas "to escape the trauma" of her interactions with Watson.

The second new lawsuit alleges the Texans quarterback made "obscene sexual requests" during a massage session in Scottsdale, Arizona on July 7, 2020.

The NFL is investigating the allegations against Watson under the auspices of its personal conduct policy. Legal experts have suggested he could also potentially face criminal charges, given the volume and nature of the civil claims.

Buzbee said in a news conference on March 19 that providing evidence to authorities would be "the next step," and later stated on Instagram that several of his clients would be submitting affidavits and evidence to the Houston Police Department and Harris County District Attorney's Office on March 22.

In posts on social media Tuesday night, however, Buzbee reversed course. He wrote that his clients are not planning to report the incidents to police because he previously called for the resignation of former police chief Art Acevedo, who has since left the department, and because one of Hardin's sons, Thomas, is a police officer.

According to a 2020 police document, Thomas Hardin works in the department's special operations division, which focuses on crowd control efforts for special events such as demonstrations and parades.


"I am not saying in any way that Deshaun Watson’s lawyer, Mr. Hardin, has a son who has a position that would compromise HPD and its investigation," Buzbee wrote. "I support his service, along with all Houston police officers – I think the rank and file know that."

Buzbee also claimed that "we have provided info to other organizations," though he did not specify the nature or recipient of that information.

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168. "He’s getting bad advice "
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So in addition to the 21 accusers...let’s add 18 more massage therapists

He went to 40? massage therapists last year...40?

Not 40 sessions

40 different women

I don’t think that statement is helping TBH

Obviously, I’m not a professional athlete...but that feels off...like way off

In a trial all they have to do is ask these 18 supporters if they were present during the accused misconduct

I get that those financially invested want this resolved before the draft

But this just feels like it’s going to keep escalating with the public back and forth

<placeholder> for the defamation suit...he kind of has to at this point...right?

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169. "yeah having 40 folks on the board is fugazi"
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that gave me more questions not less

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171. "But you were not suspicious with 20?"
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anonymous at that.

I guess 39 is your cutoff. Lol

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170. "You didn’t have a problem believing 20 anonymous "
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accusers, but you have a problem believing 18 massage therapist,
who have attached names to their statements.

Their identities have been vetted, and this isn’t out of nowhere because
the lawyer stated that they had therapists who supported Watson a week ago.

You’re a hypocrite.

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172. "I missed the part where you disagree with me"
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40?

c’mon

I reserve the right to change my opinion as more information becomes available

You can read...

I was very skeptical...to start

40 though...+he’s admitted to sexual contact with a masseuse

For a civil case...it’s not looking good for your guy.

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176. "I’m not understanding your take here."
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What’s not looking good?

There will be no criminal case, because the lawyer LIED about having
criminal evidence, and he lied about talking to the police. That’s grounds
to have all lawsuits dismissed, plus his demand for settlement even before
going public.

You got 20 anonymous accusers. How do we know all of them exist?
The lawyer will not hand over their identities so they can be fact checked.

Now you got 20 in support of the accused, and they have been vetted!
Their identities and services are known.

Plus the SI article where the woman stated that Watson did not
touch or rape her. The SI article is actually evidence for Watson.


Watson has vetted identities and evidence in his corner.

Whether civil or criminal he can go to court with tons of vetted evidence
and identities.

I wouldn’t be shocked if Buzbee drops the suits in the next few weeks.

The tables have drastically turned in favor of Watson.

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177. "If you don’t want to discuss a difference in opinion... I can’t help..."
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Nobody, outside of the involved parties, knows what’s factual yet

Because this is playing out in the public space...we are discussing what has been offered

You think...no way, no how, total setup...

I was very skeptical to start...but I am growing increasingly concerned based on how he’s responded

If he really didn’t do anything...why not immediately counter sue for defamation?

The more that gets added to the story, the worse it gets

What really jumps out at me is the language

The most recent statement said something like...he hasn’t contacted the accusers ‘directly’

...leaves the door open for contact indirectly...

language like he never ‘forced’ a woman to perform sex

The majority of the allegations don’t make that accusation

and again, he’s admitted to having sex with a masseuse

I think your biggest obstacle is understanding the difference between civil liability and criminal

He shoulda hired Michael Cohen.

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178. "I’m dealing with facts. No hypothesis, like you are presenting."
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Considering his lawyer has represented Wade Boggs, Adrian Peterson,
and Roger Clemons,etc. And he won those cases, I’m sure the lawyer knows
what he is doing. So we can put that to rest.

He is a very meticulous, deliberate lawyer. The best in the business.
He makes no unnecessary moves. He plays chess while others play
checkers. Read his history. He doesn’t panic.

So you saying Watson is getting bad advice and should get another
lawyer makes zero sense, when you don’t even understand the tactic
or have experience.


Like I said, now that the tables have turned, and the defense has gained
momentum, I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of those lawsuits get pulled
back...

Whole different ball game now compared to what was on the table a week ago.






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173. "damn for a dude that loves massages, he's probably dying for one"
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right now with all this stress. sheeesh.

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174. "RE: damn for a dude that loves massages, he's probably dying for one"
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He can't even ask for the happy ending though.....so I don't think he'd be interested

  

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175. "whatever he gets, he's addicted to something. and i'd like to assume"
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he's refraining from it right now. But he still addicted and still wants it.

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179. "pretty sure most athletes get massages a few times a week"
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now the number of different women raises a red flag but the amount of massages is a shrug for me.

Same folk screaming about CTE and sacrificing bodies are like “how many massages does a football player need?”

These dudes stay getting rubbed down and stretched daily during the season.

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180. "40 massages from 40 different chicks is weird as shit"
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182. "over what period of time? 40 days? 4 months? 4 years? "
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I think part of the problem is hearing 20 accusations and believing all are legit even tho we have no actual evidence from all 20 women.. or even if all of these accusations are women.

Not sure how many are dudes but Craig said Deshaun was always respectable.



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181. "this is something different"
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they either using team masseuses'/trainers or they have a regular therapist (or maybe a couple). they not gonna be hopping from person to person, dming folks on social media and shit (as alleged)

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183. "maybe.. or maybe its more common than we believe"
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not sure.

All I know is acting like a pro athlete getting a shit ton of massages is weird is.... weird.

I agree on the IG thing.. he’s an idiot for that but hey, he’s 25.

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187. "yeah we forget about this..."
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>I agree on the IG thing.. he’s an idiot for that but hey,
>he’s 25.

having that kind of money and social media at that age is scary

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185. "No disrespect. This is where class comes into play."
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Every class of wealth is different.

Working in Wall Street, and seeing how people in the Hamptons lived,
or rich people in general, wealth provides luxuries that may appear to
be abnormal or unusual to the average person.


Getting 40 massages within a year or even within 2 months is not
strange for an athlete, dancer, or anyone who put his body through
a lot of movement and stress.

A lot of people can’t afford a massage therapist, so they use noodles
and rollers to massage their bodies daily.

Getting 40 different women isn’t strange at all either. Some
people like variety, and if you got the money to do so, then
it’s going to happen.

These dudes got car collections that look like a car lot, and they rent
different exotic cars, you think that mentality isn’t go to crossover to
other forms of service?

Tiger Woods was cheating on his wife with a dozen different escorts.

The concept of luxury is different with each class of wealth



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186. "lol what?"
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>Getting 40 different women isn’t strange at all either. Some
people like variety, and if you got the money to do so, then
it’s going to happen.


Variety for a therapeutic massage or something else?

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189. "You’re proving my point."
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It’s weird and strange to you.

But they have already interviewed people who didn’t find it all that strange.

And let’s not pretend that some massage therapists don’t use their business
to provide EXTRA services. That world exists.



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190. "how did i prove your point? I asked a question that you didn't answer"
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lol

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188. "correct. this aint' how it's done at that level."
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>they either using team masseuses'/trainers or they have a
>regular therapist (or maybe a couple). they not gonna be
>hopping from person to person, dming folks on social media and
>shit (as alleged)

  

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184. "Lmao"
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>right now with all this stress. sheeesh.


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191. "18 minors defend Matt Gaetz, as he faces sex trafficking allegations "
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I mean WTF

Bruh signed $100M contract

I’ve had the same barber for 2 years
...and maybe, MAYBE, 10 barbers in my entire life (I move a lot)

He COULD afford A personal masseuse

It’s extra weird to have 40 massage therapists...when you’re a professional athlete that makes a living based on your physical ability

and this dude is masseuse shopping on IG

C’mon

Imagine if Epstein or Gaetz tried to defend themselves against sex trafficking and statutory rape charges by saying

...look at these underage girls that I didn’t rape...

FOH

BTW, Rusty Hardin looks like a murder puppet from a horror flix.
Dude looks like the saw character with a layer of skin
Not relevant, just a really weird looking dude

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192. "Lmao good point"
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.look at these underage girls that I didn’t rape.

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193. "yiiikes LOL "
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Delete

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194. "^^Straw Man"
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This ain’t that, and it isn’t even in the same ballpark as having sex with minors
or going after minors. Glad you’re not a prominent figure in law, because your
inability to differentiate circumstantial evidence vs conclusive evidence is
glaring.

Circumstantial Evidence: having seen 40 massage therapists ...
It does not prove that misconduct or inappropriate behavior occurred.

Conclusive Evidence: DM as proof of having consensual sex with
a massage therapist....massage therapists supporting Watson’s
argument, and providing their identities and dates of service.

As far as the facial features of his attorney, that’s just flat out infantile and
and senseless. That has nothing to do with his ability as a lawyer.
That’s where we at now? We are talking about someone’s look?

Yet and still, Buzbee has already been caught being dishonest and has
contradicted his actions several times.

As far as contacting people on Instagram, WELCOME TO THE NEW AGE.
That’s how the current generation is communicating for dating, modeling, music
entertainment, and all other types of services.

Come with something legitimate or beat it. Your personal opinion is simply
just that..your personal opinion.

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200. "18 masseuses I didn’t sexually assault = Straw Man"
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203. "No.Those 18 massage therapists"
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are called witnesses, individuals who have witnessed Deshaun’s behavior while
giving massage services.

They have provided their names. They are registered and have licenses.

We don’t even know who the accusers are, or where they work. Are they licensed?
Do they even exist? Not one has spoken out. Not one has given an interview.

We knew the names of Bill Cosby’s accusers, and they had different lawyers.

20 accusers all with the same lawyer, so every accuser just goes to the
same lawyer?

You seem to find zero holes in that or refuse to acknowledge it. But the
18 VERIFIED witnesses are bullshit?

Keep chasing. Come with something legitimate which you have failed
to do. When these cases get pulled back, what will be your next perception?

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195. "thats goofy and loaded.. lol"
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while I think he is an idiot for using IG its an extremely popular place for 25 year olds to conduct business.

we out here sounding real old on some “He used IG????”




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199. "RE: thats goofy and loaded.. lol"
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>while I think he is an idiot for using IG its an extremely
>popular place for 25 year olds to conduct business.
>
>we out here sounding real old on some “He used IG????”

true, other stuff aside for some young folks DM'ing is basic communication preferred over texting or calling.

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201. "$100M athlete letting a masseuse work on their body"
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based on an IG profile is goofy

...you’re familiar with the term NERL...

25Y.O. doesn’t have as much to do with it

I want to hear from the Lizzo looking masseuse that catfish’d him

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204. "And a Billion dollar golfer was flying Cheap Blonde prostitutes around "
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using his personal Nextel.

And Robert Kraft, billion dollar owner, was caught in a seedy massage parlor
raid.

You lack the understanding of the human component.

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205. "You are proving why these allegations are credible"
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198. "literally LOL"
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>...look at these underage girls that I didn’t rape...

  

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202. "apples to asteroids. not remotely the same whatsoever"
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but anything to further tarnish a brother thats what we do online


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
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206. "damn, I didn't force bin to leave by being mildly unimpressed?"
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that's a real weight off my shoulders tbh

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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207. "Houston PD investigating "
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https://mobile.twitter.com/houstonpolice/status/1378104049950724100?s=20

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209. "This is long overdue."
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Now we will learn the identity of at least one of the accusers,
and a real investigation will move forward.

“Watson's attorney, Rusty Hardin, said in a statement Friday evening that his client welcomed the investigation, calling it a "long overdue development."

"Now we will learn the identity of at least one accuser," Hardin said. "We will fully cooperate with the Houston Police Department."


Now we will get down to some official stuff ,and do away with the social
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212. "Sounds like a threat to me"
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Again, the language used is interesting

We don’t even know the nature of the criminal complaint

...and the immediate response from council is...

I can’t wait to find out the plaintiff’s identity!

They’ve conceded so much already with these public statements

Watson’s team has confirmed; he masseuse shops, on IG, and had sex with a masseuse

...can and will be used against you in the court of law...

They’ve already undermined defenses like; my client doesn’t use private masseuses, doesn’t have sex with masseuses, doesn’t DM masseuses on IG...

This latest statement actually bolsters Buzbee’s concern about the identity of his clients being revealed

Which is interesting...when would a suspect learn the identity of their accuser?

I’m assuming a criminal charge has to be filed...?

I doubt LEO reveal the identity of victims/plaintiffs if the complaint doesn’t meet criminal criteria...?

Makes me think they know a charge is coming and they know what it’s for

...so let’s focus on the identity of the plaintiff...

Smear campaign on deck.

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214. "why would they use a defense that is easily proven false with tech?"
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218. "IMO, Buzbee is winning the public game of chicken the lawyers are playin..."
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Why would Hardin make any public statements?

I have no comment on pending litigation. My client is innocent of the allegations and we look forward to our day in court to clear his name...

Instead, Hardin has made these admissions that actually put his client in...just the few admissions I listed are favorable for the civil suits

I’m assuming that was Buzbee’s motive

To raise public awareness of the allegations, use the media to raise the profile and put pressure on LEOs to move this to a criminal proceeding

A criminal charge helps legitimize the civil claims

Hardin has put his client in a position where a settlement would be a gift

Watson is now going to be lucky to not face criminal charges in addition to 20+ civil suits

Buzbee is winning the troll war.

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221. "Buzbee is definitely winning the war in the media"
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but the criminal complaint may also work in Hardin’s favor because now they will het a name and a chance to dig into the person’s past.

I’m curious on who submitted it and if they are connected to Buzbee because it sure sounds like Buzbee doesn’t want the police involved yet.

Not really trippin over Hardin and his list of people defending Deshaun. I dont think a defense of saying nothing or saying “I don’t get a lot of massages” would work given his digital receipts.

also remember as bad as Antonio Brown was and his suspension.. he still played in a SB and caught a TD... and I think he still has a trial set for December 2021.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out regarding suspensions and court date for Deshaun. Especially since Deshaun didn’t plan on playing for the Texans this year and threatened to hold out



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223. "For example; consider the suez canal blockage"
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I read a story that, initially, some were putting blame on a female captain

Apparently, Egypt had promoted a woman to be the youngest captain and first female captain

When fake news stories put blame on her...she was able to counter with the fact that she was on a ship 200 miles away

I guess what strikes me as odd IRT Hardin's public responses

...it feels like he's already conceded any defense that Watson couldn't have possibly been involved in the alleged sexual misconduct...

The defense's statements already put him in the situations where the alleged conduct could happen

Like you said, digital receipts

I'm assuming Hardin has reviewed the behavior as constructed through a digital timeline recreation of Watson's interactions with plaintiffs...and decided, as you suggest, refuting the possibility is senseless

I just think that's YUGE admission from the defense before ever stepping foot in a court room

I did also think about AB, not so much his alleged sexual misconduct, but the cryo therapy he got on his feet

I remember he missed the start of the season with OAK because he didn't listen to the cryo therapists and went in without shoes...or some nonsense like that

I'm wondering if NFL teams have stipulations in contracts about getting medical interventions from sources not affiliated with the team, and/or not recommended

...could they void Watson's contract because he's into masseuse kink...

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224. "Hardin established that Deshaun gets a lot of massages"
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I dont really see the harm because it wouldnt make sense to act like he doesn’t. That would make it look worse IMO.

I dont think Hardin is trying to establish that he is using massages for consensual sex by admitting he gets a lot of massages.

if I like hot yoga and go to a ton of different classes and had consensual sex with one instructor I dont see how admitting I go to a lot of hot yoga classes makes it easy for the defense.

Hardin is admitting his client gets massages... a whole lot of them, but he doesn’t act inappropriately. IMO its better to admit it then let someone else pull the receipts.

as far as pay. Yes, I wonder if they can go after Deshauns money now? IMO that would work best for the Texans and also fuel the conspiracy that they are in on it be ause it hurts his value AND they save a ton of money

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225. "Come on, man. We're still on this?"
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>as far as pay. Yes, I wonder if they can go after Deshauns
>money now? IMO that would work best for the Texans and also
>fuel the conspiracy that they are in on it be ause it hurts
>his value AND they save a ton of money

What would have worked best for the Texans would have been to trade him when first demanded it. They would have gotten draft picks and players and the whole scandal, if it would still come out, would have been some other team's problem.

This isn't some conspiracy on the Texans part to get him off the team.

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208. "just b/c you can fuck *some* IG masseuses, don't mean you can "
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fuck ALL of 'em.

this is some really sloppy and stupid shit.

off break, if prostitution was legalized, *maybe* this whole thing wouldn't be a thing?

what is dumb... you are a high profile ass dude. a messed up encounter with you is gonna stick in people's memories, unlike a messed up encounter with a random ass dude.

if his deal is wanting all of his endings to be happy, he needs to have been damn sure that everyone he was procuring services from was 'that kind' of masseuse. seems (from some of the statements) that he did not, and some of the folks he procured were not for the rub and tug.

if you hiring random jawns off of DMs it's really not far-fetched to think the he got ahold of a couple of real (non-happy ending type) therapeutic massage therapists who clutched pearls at the sight of erections and precum and expectations for upgrades.

being as charitable as possible (assuming he didn't force anyone), with these numbers, you could easily see how he could accumulate several non-sexual masseuses whose experiences would have at least bordered on harassment.

but if he doing numbers (of encounters) like that, reckless as that, he's bound to have some 1 star customer ratings.

if he was the perfect, non exposing himself or dripping pre-ejaculate gentlemen in all of those encounters with an assortment of thots and therapists, he has put himself in a helluva situation. in a post-metoo world that's dumb af.


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210. "yeah its stupid either way, sometimes we forget how young and dumb..."
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these dudes are while they're signing these record contracts.

I was still stupid as hell at 25. With a $100mil contract and social media? sheesh...

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220. "i thought the new school rookie orientations was supposed to go over "
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extracurricular shit?

not just the money management 101, and pay your taxes, but,

'call uber if you gonna be drainkin',
'make sure you have a licensed and bonded personal weed man / fall guy in the crew',
'don't bring your strap on the plane',
'these are the jawns that be at the team hotels',
'wear a damn rubber and get used to it',
'all your friends and fam ain't necessarily good for you',
'understand your pros and cons in every situation'.

seems like a needed curriculum.




>these dudes are while they're signing these record
>contracts.
>
>I was still stupid as hell at 25. With a $100mil contract and
>social media? sheesh...

social media = receipts. govern yourself accordingly.


disclaimer: if a dude is truly a sexual assaulter or rapist, i don't know if deterrence works.

but somebody in all these guys' lives needs to be having clear discussions with them about consent and propriety and power dynamics, etc..

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226. "I agree wirh all that..."
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>extracurricular shit?
>
>not just the money management 101, and pay your taxes, but,
>
>'call uber if you gonna be drainkin',
>'make sure you have a licensed and bonded personal weed man /
>fall guy in the crew',
>'don't bring your strap on the plane',
>'these are the jawns that be at the team hotels',
>'wear a damn rubber and get used to it',
>'all your friends and fam ain't necessarily good for you',
>'understand your pros and cons in every situation'.
>
>seems like a needed curriculum.
>
>
>
>
>>these dudes are while they're signing these record
>>contracts.
>>
>>I was still stupid as hell at 25. With a $100mil contract
>and
>>social media? sheesh...
>
>social media = receipts. govern yourself accordingly.
>
>
>disclaimer: if a dude is truly a sexual assaulter or rapist, i
>don't know if deterrence works.
>
>but somebody in all these guys' lives needs to be having clear
>discussions with them about consent and propriety and power
>dynamics, etc..
>
>peace & blessings,
>
>x.
>
>www.twitter.com/poetx


right the whole time I'm like doesn't he have an agent, an advisor, and older teammate, a coach, an uncle, a big brother, somebody to be like "nah bruh, this ain't the move". I feel like another downside of having so much money is that you insulate yourself with "yes" people and everybody is scared to tell you when you're fucking up.

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211. "It’s not about the sex, it’s about the power"
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Sexual assault/rape is about the power...offenders get off on that dynamic

I agree, sex work should be legal

But that’s not what sexual assault/rape is about.

and this is why I think a civil suit sticks based on the information released so far

“if he was the perfect, non exposing himself or dripping pre-ejaculate gentlemen in all of those encounters with an assortment of thots and therapists, he has put himself in a helluva situation. in a post-metoo world that's dumb af.”

Civil = more likely than not, i.e. 51%

What’s more likely... the perfect gentleman who masseuse shops on IG...or sexual assault/harassment

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as charitably as possible from a deshaun pov, it's still spectacularly fucked up. (ie, he just 'misread' 20 to 30 separate situations...


>Sexual assault/rape is about the power...offenders get off on
>that dynamic

i definitely understand that. and this is why the "he's rich, etc" excuses don't automatically exonerate dudes, because rape != sex. who was the ex nfl safety who was basically going around the country drugging and raping women?

>I agree, sex work should be legal
>
>But that’s not what sexual assault/rape is about.

yep.

>
>and this is why I think a civil suit sticks based on the
>information released so far
>
>“if he was the perfect, non exposing himself or dripping
>pre-ejaculate gentlemen in all of those encounters with an
>assortment of thots and therapists, he has put himself in a
>helluva situation. in a post-metoo world that's dumb af.”
>
>Civil = more likely than not, i.e. 51%
>
>What’s more likely... the perfect gentleman who masseuse
>shops on IG...or sexual assault/harassment

damn shame it should be a code word for massage therapists, "nah, my dude, the only d i'm here to work on is them deltoids".

he cooked if it's a civil suit, but he might can still play. his credibility shot, though, b/c one of those recent complainants has a story corroborated by multiple sources (friends, family) and documented prior to all the first public allegations (which did have an ambulance chasey feel due to buzbee).




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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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>https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31079126/lawsuit-filed-deshaun-watson-says-looks-forward-clearing-name
>
>Lawyer says lawsuit filed against Deshaun Watson, who says he
>looks forward to clearing name
>11:36 PM CT
>Sarah Barshop
>
>HOUSTON -- After Houston attorney Tony Buzbee said in an
>Instagram post Tuesday night that he has filed a lawsuit
>against Deshaun Watson, the Texans' quarterback put out a
>statement saying he looks forward to clearing his name.
>
>Watson responded on Twitter to word of the suit, saying he
>rejected "a baseless six-figure settlement demand," and that
>this is "about clearing my name, and I look forward to doing
>that."
>
>Buzbee did not specify the allegations against Watson in his
>post but referenced behavior with women and later told FOX 26
>in Houston that "Watson went too far" with a woman who was
>giving him a massage.
>
>"I have never treated any woman with anything other than the
>utmost respect," Watson said in his statement.
>
>Buzbee is well-known throughout the Houston area for his law
>firm and unsuccessful 2019 campaign against Mayor Sylvester
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227. "you're right, he's still better than any QB in tOSU history..."
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and Ja Morant is better than Mike Conley ever was.

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239. ""So this is how they're coming for Deshaun".....LMAO"
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like he's Fred Hampton Jr or something

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242. "Bahahahah"
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246. "this is the best you could do?"
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247. "Your boy a pervert and fucked up his endorsement money"
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And yes TOSU QBs suck in the pros ( including Fields). Everyone on this board knows that.

Long as they play well on Saturday I’m good.

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248. "you forgot to address Ja Morant being better than Conley ever was."
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257. "Zero all star appearances and zero playoff appearances "
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and zero playoff wins

Deshaun Watson a perv and lost money because of his weird ass addiction to making women uncomfortable. And that’s your guy . LOL.


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259. "30 out of 30 GM's would take Ja right now over Conley at any point..."
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in his illustrious career.

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262. "I have more all star appearances than Ja, now shut the fuck up."
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and stick to the subject of this post, you senile dumb bastard

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281. "30 out of 30 GM's would take Ja right now over Conley at any point..."
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in his illustrious career.

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249. "I love how this is perceived as the ULTIMATE insult to osu fans"
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like who gives a flying fuck what these guys do in the NFL...go get paid and live a good life. Beyond that who cares.

All in all a pretty strange deflection given the topic at hand.

  

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>like who gives a flying fuck what these guys do in the
>NFL...go get paid and live a good life. Beyond that who
>cares.
>
>All in all a pretty strange deflection given the topic at
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258. "lets not act like your even in here because you care about Deshaun..."
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Watson, massage therapists or Fred Hampton.

You don't care about any black person unless they played for your beloved Suckeyes.

You're on your usual okp troll follow people around to other posts after you got sonned in another post.

Grow up.

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that's your legacy.

yikes.

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228. "Buzbee’s gives press conference with one of the accusers"
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https://youtu.be/mYlgbMsWmLU

1. What competent attorney would allow their client to wear
a hoop nose ring to a press conference?

2. Prior to reading her statement, one of his associates immediately
puts a box of tissue in front of her, as a cue to start crying, which looked
like forced tears. Once she stops reading her statements, she immediately
stops crying and sits there calmly on a drop of a dime.

3. She vaguely talks about what Deshaun did to her, but speaks mostly
about how she felt or how she is feeling. Honestly, I’m still trying to figure
out what Deshaun physically did. No details have really been given other than
the statements of being assaulted or feeling uncomfortable.

4. Tony Buzbee is known scumbug lawyer. It’s hard to believe anything he
has to offer. Why would 20 accusers associate with a scum of a lawyer,
and only him? He is better call Saul on crack.

I’ll sit and continue to wait on the conclusion of the police investigation,
and I imagine the league is doing the same thing. That is where the real
facts will come from.





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229. "Also, this is the same accuser who Buzbee was trying"
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to force Deshaun to settle with prior to the accusations.


Also, there were no questioning allowed. What is a press conference with
no questioning? Nothing was allowed to be questioned.

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230. "We talking bout nose rings?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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231. "i stopped reading there, i assume it got worse as it went on"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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236. "it's like a spoof of what women know will happen when they accuse"
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a man of anything

except he's completely serious

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232. "That’s just one aspect of reading a situation."
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Not holding it against them or her, but it’s like selecting jurors. You read
and observe everything ,looking for tells of honesty or dishonesty.

That’s why I put it on him as an attorney, a man who lives off public perception as a lawyer.

All of it just doesn’t look right and stinks. Watch that entire conference from
beginning to end and it comes off like a episode of better caul Saul.

I will wait for the investigation to conclude. I don’t believe shit or trust anything
regarding Tony Buzbee.


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234. "Bruh was all...why hasn’t anyone come forward?"
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2 women have gone public

...bruh moves to...nose rings...

THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED!

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you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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238. "I expected new, detailed information"
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All we got was the same generalization of Deshaun making her feel uncomfortable,
and how she is a survivor, and how she can’t do massages anymore because
she has a hard time focusing and concentrating.

There was nothing, no details of what Deshaun did to make him a sexual assaulter.

Did he grab you? Did he pin you down? What part of your body was assaulted?
Did he penetrate you? Did he hold you against your will?

None of those questions were asked or answered. No one was
allowed to ask questions.

And again this lady is the one who was trying to compel Deshaun into a settlement,
by having Buzbee reach out to Deshaun’s agent via text. This information has already
been proven.

And the SI article the woman even stated that Deshaun didn’t touch her or
rape her.

So what in the hell was the purpose of this press conference that released the same
generalizations? We got a whole lot of nothing.

I will wait for the Police investigation to be completed.




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237. "allstah is over 50 and a deacon at a storefront church"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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233. "*sigh*"
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>1. What competent attorney would allow their client to wear
>a hoop nose ring to a press conference?

  

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235. "so why is this dude a poster here"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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245. "It’s depressing how many convos I’ve had with former OKS users."
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Literally today someone saw this nose ring reply and messaged “that dude singlehandedly killed the board.” And everyone in the chat agreed.

My kingdom for a mute button.

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251. "did these former OKS users also quit twitter/IG/fb?"
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Is there somewhere on the internets where they're shielded from dumb and/or hateful commentary?

This place is like 98% left leaning and overall pretty cordial (aside from a few notable exceptions). Which was not the case at it's peak when it had far more traffic and subsequently a much more diverse demographic.

All-stah's posts are what they are. But they're not abusive. And the antiquated format of this board makes it really easy to ignore people you don't want to hear from. If someone doesn't have the willpower to avoid reading a specific poster then that's on them.

  

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252. "Thank you. That’s why I don’t respond to them."
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They are actually the abusive ones with their personal attacks and infantile
name calling. My posts are opinions and perceptions. I don’t attack people,
nor do I verbally try to bully people.

I respect and acknowledge all opinions, no matter if I agree or disagree.

The problem with today’s culture is that it is either all or nothing. If you don’t
support the conventional opinion or way of thinking, then you’re ostracized,
or you will be categorized in a certain way.

I’ve been posting here since 2004 ( lost original login), and I have seen people
threaten each other, and seek to meet people in person to do physical harm.
I have never resorted to that type of behavior. Never will.





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253. "You don't see how that's not the same thing?"
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If I could mute or hide that dude (you know...like you can in all the platforms you just pointed out), I would. I can't. And while this board is antiquated in many ways, these conversations are still happening and COULD still happen here. But there are a number of posters actively pushing people away.

It's what it is, and maybe his posts aren't...abusive...but they are mind numbing, numerous, and outright dominant compared to people with substance.

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283. "Right. Like I said, a mute button would solve this."
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But people just don't wanna see this shit. In every post. They'd rather go elsewhere to talk sports. And that's a goddamn shame imo.

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307. "sure, a mute button would be great! but we don't have it sooooooo"
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I trust that you and Frank are smart enough and mature enough to simply scroll past someone whose opinions you're not interested in.

it's a public internet forum. there's gonna be people saying dumb shit. it's part of the deal.

*and yes, other social media platforms have ignore features but given the infinite number of pepole/bots posting, you cannot effectively block out the stuff you don't wanna read...which is 1000000x more hateful/toxic/vulgar than anything that gets posted here.

  

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312. "and I don't buy for a second that everyone would come running back "
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if a mute button were in place.

people moved on to other shit. the board went offline for a year. and even more people moved on to other shit. mich fans *finally* realized their team was an embarrassment to the sport of football and that killed off like 20 more posters. just how shit goes.

funny though, remember the first thread when the board came back online and everyone was hella sentimental and heaping praise on this place and each other?

If i knew how to work the search feature I'd bump that up.

  

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319. "It was like a month, not a year."
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But still, point taken.

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320. "just a month really? I thought it was a lot longer than that."
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i could be wrong though.

nevertheless it greatly reduced the amount of active participants here

  

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256. "Right , Frank being overly dramatic "
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no single poster is responsible for this boards reduced activity, people got older and or moved onto other forms of social media



>Is there somewhere on the internets where they're shielded
>from dumb and/or hateful commentary?
>
>This place is like 98% left leaning and overall pretty cordial
>(aside from a few notable exceptions). Which was not the case
>at it's peak when it had far more traffic and subsequently a
>much more diverse demographic.
>
>All-stah's posts are what they are. But they're not abusive.
>And the antiquated format of this board makes it really easy
>to ignore people you don't want to hear from. If someone
>doesn't have the willpower to avoid reading a specific poster
>then that's on them.

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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263. "so like what specifically would someone need to say to drive you away"
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what are the actual words

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302. "Umm I've been posting here for 20 years. Been in every argument"
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imaginable. Never once felt the need to leave based on what one specific person directed at me. It's an internet forum.

Not even sure what the relevance of your question is to the topic at hand.

Over the past year or twoI bailed on a few forums (college football and sports betting) because they became havens for right wing nut jobs. We don't have that here. Which is nice. But it wasn't specific 'actual words' that drove me away. It was just the vibe and the company which I no longer wanted to be keeping.

  

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303. "huh. so there's nothing that anyone could say that would make you leave"
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and yet you claim that somehow my words are so powerful they're possibly making binlahab run away crying.

idk why you think binlahab is so much weaker psychologically than you are, but that's between you and him

seems like your whole argument up there was just some bullshit

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306. "I don't even know what youre saying at this point"
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you can take the criticism and move on. or don't.

again, not much else to discuss here.

  

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309. "where's the criticism?"
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according to you no one can possibly be driven away by anyone. so obviously there's nothing for me to change.

problem nonexistent

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316. "and according to you, you like having sex with little boys"
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>according to you no one can possibly be driven away by
>anyone

see how easy that is? just twist words and lie and continue to send this discussion into an infinite number of rabbit holes for as long as anyone is willing to reply. all to deflect from the reality that your behavior here is objectively gross.

this is either a trolling master class or you're having a mental breakdown.

either way it's boring and im not interested in continuing it.

accept the critique and move on. or don't.


ps- the critique is hidden in this very post. see if you can find it.

  

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321. "you could imagine anything in the world"
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and you went with that.



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260. "Kind of a bitchass comment on your part, to be honest. "
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And no, me and L Stah aren't buddies by any means.

There are certain subjects where he seems to have a genuine grasp on shit.

That said, I trash him for being an idiot, because on certain subjects he seems to shut off his capacity for reason, leaning into his biases to an absurd degree.

But I just tell him what I think. And he tells me what he thinks about me and what I said.

I've met you and you seem like a decent person, and I'd hang out again.

But if you're chatting it up and trashing current posters off board to the point where your attributing the decline in popularity on a single guy- hell, that's fine too. But to bring those discussions back here on some proxy dog pile shit? Fuck outta here.

That ain't it IMO. I don't rock with a lot of his takes on shit, but I just tell him straight up what I think and that's that. I'm sure we both move on with our day without paying the other any mind whatsoever.

But you're talking to former posters on other platforms for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with All Stah. All Stah could never have existed at all, and you'd be having that same exact convo, trashing some other poster in the process, blaming some other poster for a decline that's due far more to the explosion of bigger, broader social media platforms than any ten posters combined.

It's just some pompous, mean boy, quasi-cool kid table fuck boy shit you're doing right now. And frankly, pun unintended, that bullshit is right on par with any other form of toxicity on these here boards. You and whatever ex-OKS member your gossiping with aren't any better than All Stah in this respect, and in fact it's worse, because there's a level of arrogance to what you're doing here that's just straight up gross.

It's not the first time either. You skate above the radar because you're genrally well liked, but don't sit here and act like you're clean, and haven't flat out fucking enabled with posters you very clearly favor, plenty of toxicity around here.

Look in the fucking mirror, Frank.

Also, All Stah was gone for a pretty long time. He's been back, what, a year and a half? Pinning the death of the boards on him is downright fucking stupid.

  

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265. "you ever think about not telling him his takes are dog shit?"
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because they don't seem to be getting better.

as long as we're talking about enabling people, going back and forth with all stah ever about anything is mystifying to me.

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266. "Seems you should ask yourself that question regarding most of your posts..."
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A significant amount of your posts are empty, combative, antagonistic, snarky, and the list goes on.

And not just today, but over the entirety of your time on the boards.

And there are a lot of us with a resume like that.

Seriously, what's the difference and LStah special and any one of your great number of posts that exist solely to antagonize someone?

Do you ever think about not doing that? Because it's every bit as counterproductive as any of the dog shit takes L Stah expresses on a daily basis.

You're ultimately just a different brand of empty calorie sugar water, and Frank's "he killed the boards" take is ultimately as delusional and unnecessarily mean spirited as anything else we got going in here.

A lot of us- myself included- could stand to step back from that shit altogether, and you're damn sure included in that mix.

So as long as you're throwing these particular stones... maybe toss one up on the air so it knocks some sense into yourself.

Plus, you're a mod. Maybe lead by example, or just shut the fuck and keep the status quo.

Thing is, we both know you're going to do the same shit you always do in response to this. You dont have a "fair point. I should take the plank out my own eye here" bone in your screen name.

  

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267. "so, no answer then."
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271. "Way to live the gimmick, brother! (c)"
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273. "you didn't answer. I said you didn't."
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I don't know what a gimmick is, but I don't think it's that.

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269. "I'd answer your question"
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"Seriously, what's the difference and LStah special and any one of your great number of posts that exist solely to antagonize someone?"

but I can't tell what this says?

"So as long as you're throwing these particular stones... maybe toss one up on the air so it knocks some sense into yourself."

which stone did I throw? I asked why you did something. Is that stone throwing?

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270. "Exhibit A, B, C, D, Etc"
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>"Seriously, what's the difference and LStah special and any
>one of your great number of posts that exist solely to
>antagonize someone?"
>
>but I can't tell what this says?
>
>"So as long as you're throwing these particular stones...
>maybe toss one up on the air so it knocks some sense into
>yourself."
>
>which stone did I throw? I asked why you did something. Is
>that stone throwing?
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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272. "Do you think this is a readable sentence?"
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"Seriously, what's the difference and LStah special and any one of your great number of posts that exist solely to antagonize someone?"


all I need is a y/n

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274. "C@n U R34D Th1$?"
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It's almost impressive to be as smug as you are over what is clearly a typographical error that can be easily parsed put with a third of a half a drop of charitable reading- or, in another very available, very easy option, a sincere request for clarification.

Actually, I need to backpedal a bit.

I used the word "easy" there, as though I was speaking to an honest interlocutor.

You being you, you'd have to overcome that smug, condescending, unchsritable, tech dork blogger arrogance that drives nearly everything you say to newrly everyone, nearly all the time.

Asking you to not be that way is like asking, well, anything, to not be what it is.

Edit: I decided to leave the grammatical errors in, just to hammer home the point.

You're genuinely a piece of garbage who adds nothing of any value to this place.

  

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275. "I don't know if that's a yes or a no"
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I can't read the sentence to figure out what you're asking.

I don't know why you think that's smug.

All you have to do is tell me what it's supposed to say, and then I can answer it, instead of guessing.

I can be smug, saying that I can't read something isn't that, imo


if you have some sensitivity over being told that you mistyped something that isn't about me, I'm not really into that shit

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276. ">>a sincere request for clarification."
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that's what I did.

"but I can't tell what this says?"

I put the blame on myself for failing to understand it and asked you to help. idk how much less smug I can be?

being mad and claiming I should do literally the thing I did is bizarre. are you ok?

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277. "i genuinely believe that you really do believe I'm "mad""
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Tue Apr-13-21 11:35 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

>being mad

Telling you that you're garbage is no different than seeing a picture of a steak, and then acknowledging that it's a steak.

Far as the rest, you're not remotely sincere. You're just not used to people calling you out on that with such specificity.

You're essentially an OKP version of Tucker Carlson in terms of your tone and tact, and are easily the single most toxic screen name on this entire site- by a wide margin.

There's no emotion in that. No anger, joy, or anything else.

That you're toxic, insincere garbage just a plain, readily observable fact.

  

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278. "you are mad tho"
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I don't know why you'd deny that?

if you weren't mad, you'd just tell me what the question is.


but you're mad, so we have to talk about how I'm a bad person for....doing the thing you said I should do.

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279. "also, I literally asked you to call me out with more specificity"
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but you won't do it.

please, by all means. call me out very specifically and tell me exactly what I said that was an issue.

I cannot think of a way to request this more clearly and I hope the message gets through.

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292. "Why are you replying multiple times to each of my posts?"
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Wed Apr-14-21 10:52 AM by Cold Truth

  

          

That's a little weird. But do you.

  

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294. "you take issue with my authenticity"
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I want to avoid editing and making it seem like I'm hiding something. we should be transparent, no?

would it make you happier if there were just one reply?

getting the response you asked for hasn't satisfied you, maybe that will do it?

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297. "I take issue with everything about you, really. you're a cancer to these..."
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That the people with the power to kick you to curb don't see it that way doesn't change that obvious fact

>I want to avoid editing and making it seem like I'm hiding
>something. we should be transparent, no?
>
>would it make you happier if there were just one reply?
>
>getting the response you asked for hasn't satisfied you, maybe
>that will do it?

I wonder if you utilize this tact in real life, and if it actually works on people.

"Happier"
"Satisfied"
"Mad"

You have a habit of telling people what their emotions and thoughts are. Does that work? Do people actually second guess themselves after you tell them about their emotional state?

You day these things as though I said or even implied that I was "unhappy" or "unsatisfied", even though the adjective I used was "wierd" on your part, and I expressed nothing that can be reasonably construed as an emotion in there.

I mentioned it because it stood out.

It stands out because it's not something that happens often, if at app, from anyone, really.

Yet here you are, shooting off two, at one point three replies at a time to my one.

It reads like someone trying really hard to make sure they get a response🤔

Also, edits are made for myriad reasons, and "hiding" something would fall pretty low on that list for an honest, sincere iinterlocutor who values charitable listening.

Which would make "transparancy" a rather odd choice on your end- but then we've long since established that you're not charitable, and are definitively and consistently insincere.

So you're just playing to form as usual.

Anyhow, this where I get off the rjcc Gaslight Express.

You're toxic, cancerous trash, but like actual cockroaches, you're here to stay. Have fun living that gimmick, brother (c)

  

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299. "bro, you just wrote a thousand words about me"
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if that doesn't mean that you have somehow found my conduct unsatisfactory I don't know what would.

you claim I'm gaslighting you, but what gas is that?

your guess that I'm trying to get a response doesn't seem to hold up because you write these long ass replies whether I reply once or one hundred times. If that was my goal it wouldn't be necessary.


but ok bro, I had you wrong. you're not mad, you're not unsatisfied, you're not whatever else.

is the gas fire out yet or do I have more apologies to make? you lmk

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300. "sorry for the second reply bro but I just gotta say"
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I fuckin love the kg / charlie villanueva flashback

it's extremely my shit.


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268. "this seemed like a fairly simple question, idk"
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286. "You're entitled to your opinion."
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If you think what I posted is more toxic than what All Stah's posting here... then you're entitled to be on the record with that opinion too, I reckon.

I didn't say he should be banned. He can post here all he wants as long as he doesn't violate the guidelines. And he will. And that's fine.

But many of the people I met on this board in the damn-near two decades I've been here? They're active on social media. They're active in group text. They could be active on this board. They've expressed desire to be so. And they just... don't want to be here, and one of the primary reasons listed in these convos is they can't mute or block a specific poster. This isn't one person. It's more like a dozen. They come back and they're appalled.

If you want to contest the word "singlehandedly," sure, do so. That's fair. Message boards have been burning down slowly over time. But if someone's dumping water on the embers, and people want to complain about that, then I don't blame people for using a mildly hyperbolic adverb either.

And I don't think sharing that is worse than the invective he's spewing in here. But that, like everything else I post, is just my opinion.

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288. "I... know I'm entitled to my opinion. "
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I also know that what you're saying is.... you're opinion.

That shit goes without saying, unless we're discussing statements of objective fact. good lord, that shit doesn't even need to be said.

>But many of the people I met on this board in the damn-near
>two decades I've been here? They're active on social media.
>They're active in group text. They could be active on this
>board. They've expressed desire to be so. And they just...
>don't want to be here, and one of the primary reasons listed
>in these convos is they can't mute or block a specific poster.

Yes, their own inability to actively ignore someone on a message boards overrides their desire to contribute better content. That's a them problem, not a boards problem.

>This isn't one person. It's more like a dozen. They come back
>and they're appalled.

Oh please. I don't care if it's a hundred. People have short memories, especially when it comes to their own contributions. Plenty of people who have been "appalled" at shit on the boards in real time have been active contributors to the overall toxicity of the boards in that same time. When the boards were far more active, it would be nothing to see the same handful of "appalled" people joining dogpiles on a daily basis.

Because a LOT of people like to pretend they're just here for a friendly stroll in the park, just trying to be civil with everyone and have good, grounded, respectable discussion.... but still throwing darts and adding empty ass snark for no good reason, all because they don't have a strong enough "ignore" button in their brain and they just HAD to say something.

Fact is, the good old days of OKP were objectively worse in most ways, and some of the things that are fondly remembered as "better"- like significantly less policing of the things we say- only helped foster that greater toxicity, even if greater overall quality also flourished at the same time.

And some of the most toxic people on OKS have been your buddies on here. You've been called on that before, and not just by me.

One of the single most toxic people ever, on the entire boards, is a fucking mod, and is in here right now, doing his usual gimmick, as he is in multiple threads at any given time. He employs a slightly modified tact than he used too, but the mods didn't seem to mind when he was at his absolute worst.

>If you want to contest the word "singlehandedly," sure, do so.
>That's fair. Message boards have been burning down slowly over
>time. But if someone's dumping water on the embers, and people
>want to complain about that, then I don't blame people for
>using a mildly hyperbolic adverb either.

These boards, for all the richness it's provided over the years, was an objectively worse, meaner, more cantankerous place way back when than it is today.

Plenty of the people who have left contributed to that demise, but can't or won't admit their part in it. Fuck them and their clutched pearls.

All Stah has some bad ideas about a lot of shit. But water on the embers? That's some melodramatic shit for people looking to blame someone for a fire they helped create in the first place. He's not the problem or even a symptom. He's just a poster people don't like- but as we've seen historically on here, when people see someone getting got, they can't help but get in on the action. And you're one of those people.

>And I don't think sharing that is worse than the invective
>he's spewing in here. But that, like everything else I post,
>is just my opinion.

Blech. Just say the opinion. This "just my opinion" shit is milquetoast and doesn't change what we're saying. Saying that doesn't make it any more or less civil or respectful. It's damn near performative.

  

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290. "Have a good day, CT."
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I wouldn't dream of defending everything anyone said on this board, not my friends, and least of all me. If having said shitty things on here before prevents me from weighing in on the current shittiness of certain posters, then fair enough.

So enjoy the post, enjoy the board, and have a nice day.

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291. "That's certainly easier than reflecting on the hypocrisy at play"
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Enjoy that toasty milk!

  

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295. "yeah you're definitely not mad at all"
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333. "that may be your experience, but I also disagree with the reasons"
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>But many of the people I met on this board in the damn-near
>two decades I've been here? They're active on social media.
>They're active in group text. They could be active on this
>board. They've expressed desire to be so. And they just...
>don't want to be here, and one of the primary reasons listed
>in these convos is they can't mute or block a specific poster.
>This isn't one person. It's more like a dozen. They come back
>and they're appalled.

due to the (now) unique format of this message board, it is very easy to ignore posts you do not want to see. they do not automatically filter into your timeline, they are not upvoted to the top of threads, and you can carry on subconversations within a post without having to interact with most of the posters.

I would guess that most of those people may be fatigued about interacting with the *same* posters. if you've posted on this board for as long as most of us still here, you have seen all back-and-forths repeat themselves. and you can guess by the poster how most of them will go. and you can also have biases based on all of our posting history. that is a different issue.

but to say OKP is dead because we have many willing participants sitting on the sidelines waiting for a mute button? and they are actively engaging in other social media were they are able to curate their experience so nothing as offensive as this OKS front page is seen? cmon (c) The Money Man

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311. "I like Frank. Always have. But I can't disagree with any of this."
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What's funny is, the complaint is that ex okp's are afraid/reluctant to come back for whatever reason...

Yet an okp vet did come back in this very thread, and was told by the self appointed ruler of this board that he shouldn't have come back. I'm sure all the onlooking potential posters waiting to hop into the fray here were really impressed by that exchange!

I guess the idea is that we only want certain people to come back...ya know, the types whose thoughts and opinions align perfectly with those who have taken it upon themselves to police this board.

By definition you're reducing traffic to the site by only appealing to one extremely small sliver of the population. And hurling tomatoes at anyone who comes in and doesn't toe the line has far greater negative impact then any one poster's rambling commentary.

"Republicans buy shoes too". Not that I want republicans here (seriously)...but there's a huge population of people who could be posting here (but never would because of the unaccepting environment) if all you really cared about was traffic.



>And no, me and L Stah aren't buddies by any means.
>
>There are certain subjects where he seems to have a genuine
>grasp on shit.
>
>That said, I trash him for being an idiot, because on certain
>subjects he seems to shut off his capacity for reason, leaning
>into his biases to an absurd degree.
>
>But I just tell him what I think. And he tells me what he
>thinks about me and what I said.
>
>I've met you and you seem like a decent person, and I'd hang
>out again.
>
>But if you're chatting it up and trashing current posters off
>board to the point where your attributing the decline in
>popularity on a single guy- hell, that's fine too. But to
>bring those discussions back here on some proxy dog pile shit?
>Fuck outta here.
>
>That ain't it IMO. I don't rock with a lot of his takes on
>shit, but I just tell him straight up what I think and that's
>that. I'm sure we both move on with our day without paying the
>other any mind whatsoever.
>
>But you're talking to former posters on other platforms for
>reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with All Stah. All
>Stah could never have existed at all, and you'd be having that
>same exact convo, trashing some other poster in the process,
>blaming some other poster for a decline that's due far more to
>the explosion of bigger, broader social media platforms than
>any ten posters combined.
>
>It's just some pompous, mean boy, quasi-cool kid table fuck
>boy shit you're doing right now. And frankly, pun unintended,
>that bullshit is right on par with any other form of toxicity
>on these here boards. You and whatever ex-OKS member your
>gossiping with aren't any better than All Stah in this
>respect, and in fact it's worse, because there's a level of
>arrogance to what you're doing here that's just straight up
>gross.
>
>It's not the first time either. You skate above the radar
>because you're genrally well liked, but don't sit here and act
>like you're clean, and haven't flat out fucking enabled with
>posters you very clearly favor, plenty of toxicity around
>here.
>
> Look in the fucking mirror, Frank.
>
>Also, All Stah was gone for a pretty long time. He's been
>back, what, a year and a half? Pinning the death of the boards
>on him is downright fucking stupid.

  

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313. "you can't claim you're not upset"
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meanwhile whine about the "self appointed lord of all he surveys" in conversations that aren't even about me

that is some upset shit.

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317. "Agreed Re: Frank. Slight, nuance disagreement on the rest."
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>What's funny is, the complaint is that ex okp's are
>afraid/reluctant to come back for whatever reason...
>
>Yet an okp vet did come back in this very thread, and was told
>by the self appointed ruler of this board that he shouldn't
>have come back. I'm sure all the onlooking potential posters
>waiting to hop into the fray here were really impressed by
>that exchange!

Yep. The greater example of board toxicity in this post came from one of Frank's fellow mods, someone they've never reigned in, and who is doing is damndest continue to add to his post count in this post with his usual antagonistic nonsense.


>I guess the idea is that we only want certain people to come
>back...ya know, the types whose thoughts and opinions align
>perfectly with those who have taken it upon themselves to
>police this board.

This is where I'm iffy, because I think everyone romanticizes the good ol days. They were far younger, there were less social media platforms, the numbers were great, there were more people with more perspectives and more topics to browse.

Then, people remember the dregs, and the things they claim drove people away, but so many people were active participants in so much of the negative aspects of the site that are pretending like they were all just here sniffing flowers and singing campfire songs, and someone else was the problem.

The reality is, people overlook their own transgressions, but also that of the people they vibe with. People overlook the rampant misogyny and homophobia that used to permeate the boards, among other things.

People also act like the explosion of other social media platforms didn't play a role.

So even if Frank and his merry band of voluntary exiles are "appalled", they're all just plain delusional and have serious selective memory problems. Some of Frank's buddies contributed massive amounts of toxicity to the boards, as do one of his fellow mods.

So unless Frank is holding his own circle accountable, he really has no place to say word one to All Stah on that front. Nice guy, but a huge hypocrite for his comment.

All Stah had a bad take that nobody liked or agreed with. But that's not objectively worse than... well, all of RJCC, in any given post.

  

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322. "LOL"
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wait, you're the same guy who was policing how mad people can be at tiger woods

"he really has no place"


LOL

you just want to be in charge of what people can say and you think I actually get to do that and you're jealous. wow.

now I understand why y'all are mad. it's still the moderator thing. jesus christ. It's been 15 years.

just start your own forum and delete posts whenever you want, it's not as fun as you think.

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326. "I feel like we agree on everything here"
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nostalgia is a mf'er.

and for the record I have no idea who Frank's unnamed friends are and therefore have no idea how they behaved on the boards back in the days of yore when nobody ever posted anything dumb or incendiary. we've ALL had our bad moments so it's whatever to me.

but frank's lack of commentary on rjcc is...interesting.

  

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328. "what? I, Frank Longo, am not against speaking on Rjcc"
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aw fuck, did I forget to log out?

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331. "where's that mute feature???? **HELP**"
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IT support please burn the midnight oil and get this shit installed asap!!!

  

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284. "did you talk to bshelly and he tell you why he had to desert to boards....."
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after making an ass of himself in GD?

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296. "What happened?"
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>after making an ass of himself in GD?

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298. "Shells revealed that he's basically a Get Out white liberal"
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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13409580&mesg_id=13409580&listing_type=search

It starts in a way that allowed some to give him the benefit of the doubt, but the more he posted, the more he made clear who he really is.

You know how they say, better to be silent and thought a fool, rather than speak and remove all doubt?

Well, replace "fool" with "racist". And shells spoke. A lot.

It was all pretty bad, but he arrived at the point of no return here:

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13409580&mesg_id=13409580&listing_type=search#13410310

Cy, rather wisely in hindsight, shut that shit down for shells' own good.

  

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301. "Oh my damn"
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314. "dude went full heel turn lol"
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318. "I like that he says his company is watching , then goes WILD lol"
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323. "That was weird."
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I don't really care about the guy, other than that we interacted a lot over the years on this board, and he always seemed fine. But after reading that post CT linked (I don't fool with GD, and didn't know about it), seemed like he was having some kind of breakdown. I mean, maybe he's just a bigot at heart, but...I dunno. That was weird.

  

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450. "He spent years calling rival schools players “thugs” “hooligans”..."
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The signs were there


>https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13409580&mesg_id=13409580&listing_type=search
>
>It starts in a way that allowed some to give him the benefit
>of the doubt, but the more he posted, the more he made clear
>who he really is.
>
>You know how they say, better to be silent and thought a fool,
>rather than speak and remove all doubt?
>
>Well, replace "fool" with "racist". And shells spoke. A lot.
>
>It was all pretty bad, but he arrived at the point of no
>return here:
>
>https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13409580&mesg_id=13409580&listing_type=search#13410310
>
>Cy, rather wisely in hindsight, shut that shit down for
>shells' own good.

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250. "You've lapped the field. Your only competition is yourself. "
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>1. What competent attorney would allow their client to wear
>a hoop nose ring to a press conference?

  

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241. "Examining the dual narratives around Deshaun Watson's many massages"
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I expect this to continue to escalate leading up to the draft

But holy $hit there is already so much there

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31223804/examining-dual-narratives-deshaun-watson-massages

ESPN Swipe

IN LATE FEBRUARY, Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson and his girlfriend, singer and model Jilly Anais, were photographed in front of Atlanta's InterContinental Hotel as Watson arrived to participate in a charity rally of 70 colorful Ferraris, McLarens and other luxury sports cars.


Despite its flashiness, the event was in the wheelhouse of Watson's humble and wholesome public image -- a mission by his foundation to help feed some 12,000 families in his hometown of Gainesville, Georgia. Wayne Schneider, one of the event's organizers, told ESPN that Watson delivered two semi-truckloads of food. "He really cares," Schneider said.

About this report
This story was reported and written by ESPN's John Barr, Sarah Barshop and Michael Rothstein.

"Life is a blessing to be a blessing and enjoy doing it!" Watson wrote on his Instagram account. "Thank everyone that was a part of putting this charity rally together to bless beautiful families!"

The following week, according to allegations in court documents, Watson did something else in the Atlanta area that those closest to him say they can't fathom. He booked a discounted $55 massage and, according to a lawsuit, exposed his penis and caused it to touch the hand of the shocked massage therapist.

EDITOR'S PICKS

Breaking down the legal strategy in the Deshaun Watson case

Summary of lawsuits against Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson
Watson, 25, has publicly denied wrongdoing, but he has yet to offer a detailed defense of allegations contained in nearly two dozen lawsuits filed against him. His attorney, Rusty Hardin, said in a news conference Friday that Watson has been targeted with "a new model for extortion." He said Watson typically receives two or three massages a week, and any sexual activity with therapists who say he assaulted them was consensual.

An examination by ESPN of the 22 lawsuits and interviews with six other women who have massaged Watson reveal a complex portrait of a man on a seemingly insatiable hunt for massage therapy and of two groups of women -- one that says he is a menacing sexual predator and one that suggests his actions must have been grossly misunderstood.

Nine of the 22 plaintiffs represented by attorney Tony Buzbee are licensed massage therapists, while the rest are either working toward massage licenses or specialize in skin treatments or other wellness therapies. Most live in the Houston area. Two are from Georgia and one each from California and Arizona.

There also is a 23rd therapist, not represented by Buzbee, who was first interviewed by Sports Illustrated and has since spoken with ESPN. All of the women allege behavior that ranges from unwanted sexual contact to groping to forced oral sex.

"We were all deceived into thinking Deshaun Watson was a good guy," said Ashley Solis, one of two women who publicly identified themselves last week. "And unfortunately we know that good guys can do terrible things."

On the flip side are 18 women whose statements were released by Hardin and who say they have massaged Watson a total of more than 130 times over the past five years. Collectively, they say Watson is incapable of coercing anyone into performing sex acts against their will. Watson "was always hospitable and communicated to make sure I always felt comfortable and safe," said one. "My experience was nothing like the plaintiffs are describing," said another.

At the center stands the franchise quarterback, who after a week that saw more lawsuits, confirmation of a police investigation and the evaporation of sponsor support, remains silent.


Deshaun Watson's attorney says the quarterback would typically receive two to three massages per week. AP Photo/Kelvin Kuo
FOR THE PAST year, Watson's alleged behavior occurred at least monthly, according to the cases against him, but at times the frequency would seem to barely fit in with Watson's public responsibilities, not to mention the demanding schedule of an NFL quarterback.

Take, for example, the period around the Texans' bye week, when Watson spent part of one late-October day buying Halloween costumes for charter-school kids and part of another purchasing shoes for children at a Houston-area Foot Locker. A few days later, as the Texans got back to work, allegations raised in three separate lawsuits played out privately while Watson's football life unfolded in public view.

On or about Monday, Nov. 2, according to a lawsuit, Watson kept a massage appointment he made through Instagram with a Houston woman who owns a bodywork and stretch therapy company. She says he kissed her when he arrived and that she was shocked and left the office to compose herself. When she returned, she says, Watson exposed himself, and he moved during the massage in such a way that his penis touched her hand. She says Watson offered to pay extra if she worked on his buttocks and penis and then left upset when she declined.

That Friday, Nov. 6, Watson took part in morning practice and would have been finished with his responsibilities with the Texans by noon. He also, according to a lawsuit, had a massage session with a flight attendant who was also a massage therapy student he'd met on Instagram. They met at her mother's home in suburban Pearland, and she says he urged her to massage him inappropriately around his groin and to "get up in there." She says she refused, and he flipped onto his back, exposed his penis and tried directing her to his groin. She says he later texted from the driveway: "Hope that wasn't bad."

The weekend of Nov. 7-8, Watson and his teammates traveled to Jacksonville, where they captured only their second win of the season 27-25.

Back in Houston on Monday, Nov. 9, Watson's only in-person team obligation was a daily COVID-19 test. That evening, he appeared in the office of a licensed aesthetician, whom he'd contacted via Instagram for a massage, according to her lawsuit. The woman says she told Watson she was not a massage therapist, but that he insisted on booking with her anyway. She says Watson grabbed her buttocks during the massage and moved his erect penis onto her hand. When the woman objected, she alleges, Watson replied, "You can sit on it." She says she cut the massage short and that Watson said he would not pay her unless she signed a nondisclosure agreement. She says in her lawsuit that she signed the agreement and that Watson paid her $265 for a $65 session.

The next morning, he reached back out at 7 a.m. to the flight attendant he'd seen the previous Friday. Despite her earlier experience, she says, she wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he acted in a similarly inappropriate way and, at one point, ejaculated on her. She says Watson asked "incessantly" for another massage in the following days but she declined, and that she felt "violated, disgusted and betrayed."

The plaintiff, according to the lawsuit, reached out to a friend "who played for the NFL" and relayed what had happened.

"This NFL player told her that there is a thin line between physical therapy and sexual pleasure," the filing reads. "The NFL player said Watson crossed that line over into sexual pleasure."


Attorney Tony Buzbee, center, has filed more than 20 lawsuits against the quarterback. Yi-Chin Lee/Houston Chronicle via AP
IN HIS LAWSUITS and in two news conferences at his office atop the Houston skyline, Buzbee has described Watson's alleged modus operandi as systematic.

Watson, he says, reached out to most of the women on social media, primarily Instagram, and insisted that they be alone when he showed up. He occasionally would seek appointments with women who told him that they'd never even done massage. "Well, can you do a massage?" Watson would ask, according to Buzbee.

In some instances, Buzbee says, Watson asked for photos of the therapists or dictated what he wanted them to wear during the sessions. In screen grabs of a direct message exchange Buzbee provided to reporters on Tuesday, Watson appears to comment on the image of a woman wearing a sports bra and spandex shorts.

"Something like this is fine," reads a direct message said to be from Watson to the woman. "It's hot here."

Often, according to the lawsuits, Watson would insist that no one else be around during the sessions. Watson would frequently insist on being covered only with a towel during the massage sessions rather than draped with a sheet, as is customary, Buzbee said. And, in some instances, he brought his own towel, which was closer in size to a "small washcloth," Buzbee said.

He asked some of the women to sign a nondisclosure agreement either before or after the massages, and Buzbee provided reporters a copy of that two-page agreement.

At least once he is said to have gone to unusual lengths to book a therapist he found on Instagram. In August 2020, according to one lawsuit, Watson purchased a plane ticket for an Atlanta-based therapist and flew her to Houston. A direct message released by Buzbee, said to be from Watson, includes the woman's itinerary, along with heart and rose emojis.

Another message sends the therapist an address for the Houstonian hotel.

"We will here," the message says. "I have a suite."

"Ok. Find table?" the woman asks. "Yep, Got one from my team," the reply says.

All those who have sued Watson mention in their lawsuits feeling threatened when, they say, Watson unexpectedly appeared naked during massages or became sexually aggressive. Beyond his physical stature, they say, his influence wasn't lost on them.

Lauren Baxley, the other plaintiff to make her name public last week, shared a statement through Buzbee that was addressed to Watson.

"With your millions of fans and followers, with your resources and income I felt both powerless, and trapped," Baxley said. "My work contract with my building was tied to my lease, and at the snap of your fingers I knew my good reputation, my home, and my career might be lost."

Ashley Solis says in her lawsuit that Watson could see her crying after she abruptly cut off her massage session on March 30, 2020, and asked him to leave. She says he replied: "I know you have a career and a reputation, and I know you would hate for someone to mess with yours, just like I don't want anyone messing with mine."


Plaintiff Ashley Solis described her experience at a news conference in Houston. Yi-Chin Lee/Houston Chronicle/AP
ACTIVITIES ALLEGED IN the lawsuits started with Solis and ran through March 5 of this year, during which much of the nation was shut down to varying degrees because of COVID-19.

But at least one massage therapist who has not sued Watson, a woman from Houston who has asked to go by the pseudonym Mary, told ESPN she felt "shocked" when Watson exposed his naked body and became sexually aroused during a massage session in the fall of 2019.

Mary, a licensed massage therapist in her late 20s, remembered being told before the appointment that Watson liked to use a towel instead of sheets. "I did get the biggest towel that I could find because I'm used to requiring a full sheet draping," she said.

She said she greeted Watson at the back door to her rented office space and led him up a back staircase to the massage studio. Watson, she said, had asked her to focus her massage on his lower abdomen, inner thighs and quadriceps. She said Watson was on his back about 45 minutes into the session when he threw off the towel, exposing his naked body. Mary said she'd never experienced such a thing in more than 1,000 previous appointments.

"I was in shock," Mary said. "All I knew was the session was booked by someone who referred a lot of people to me. I trust what she says." The woman whom Mary said referred Watson has not responded to requests for comment from ESPN.

Mary said that when Watson exposed himself, she decided to push down her confusion and shock and "continue to be professional and finish the session."

Toward the end of her session, Mary said, Watson started clenching and thrusting, "like he was humping the air." At first, she thought she was massaging too deeply and hurting him. She said he started thrusting even faster, and she later noticed what appeared to be bodily fluid on his stomach.

"I told him to calm down ... and he stopped," Mary said. "We ended the session about five to 10 minutes later."

She stressed that Watson never forced her to do anything or touched her inappropriately, but his actions left her shaken. "The only thing I could think of was continuing the session and just finishing so I could get him out of my office," she said.

On her drive home, she called her older sister, who also spoke with ESPN and recalled that conversation.

"She was very distraught," the older sister said. But that distress eventually gave way to anger.

"We're not sex workers, we're massage therapists," Mary said. "We work with cancer patients. We work with physical therapists. We're professionals, and it's just not fair for someone who honestly could have anything he wants to come and treat our profession the way that he did. So I want an apology for the community and just some respect."

Mary said that Watson reached back out to her on Instagram twice after her session with him. ESPN has reviewed those direct message exchanges, which came from Watson's verified Instagram account.

Mary said she thinks Watson had forgotten their previous encounter when he made contact with her again in November 2020.

"Hello, I got requested by a friend to see you as a massage therapist?!" a message from the account said on the morning of Nov. 26.

"I don't mind working with you again but you have to respect my profession," Mary replied, adding, "You made me feel uncomfortable last time you were in."

"Oh gotcha, sorry there were no intentions for anything more," came the reply.

Mary also reminded Watson of her policies in that same exchange: "I do require draping with sheets, i know last time you requested just a towel. So long as you're cool with my policies we can 1000% get you booked," she told him.

She said Watson never wound up booking with her again.

Instead, she and her sister reacted with shock and anger as the cascade of allegations started in March. "I didn't know the extent. It was like, 'Wow.' We didn't realize he was doing that to multiple people and his behavior has gotten worse," Mary's sister said.

Mary said she reached out to Buzbee's law firm but declined to sign as a client after feeling "pressured." She has since retained U.A. Lewis, a Houston civil rights attorney, who says she has not yet determined if Mary will file a case against Watson.

"If you're a predator, you're a predator," Lewis said. "I think he needs help."


Defense attorney Rusty Hardin says Watson has been targeted with "a new model for extortion." Karen Warren/Houston Chronicle/AP
ESPN ALSO INTERVIEWED five of the 18 women who, through Watson's legal team, provided statements supporting the quarterback.

"I don't know what could have happened with anybody else, but he was never aggressive, disrespectful, 'rapey' or anything toward me," Kya Hillman, a military veteran and licensed aesthetician, told ESPN. She said she worked on Watson three times between October and December 2020. "I don't think he has the capability of being aggressive with people like that. All he does is smile," she said.

Dr. Arielle Ball, a licensed physical therapist, said in her statement released by Hardin that Watson "never made me uncomfortable and was always professional" during several sessions in 2019 and 2020.

However, Ball told ESPN she was "kind of shocked" that Watson worked with so many therapists.

"From my experience from working with athletes with sports performance, they typically have maybe a handful of therapists that they trust and that they know are effective, and then they would just utilize those," Ball said.

Dany Craig, a licensed massage therapist in Atlanta since 2008, told ESPN she worked with Watson three times in early 2020 at her Atlanta home, where she typically sees clients. Craig, 46, said that when working on the groin area, it's inevitable that massage therapists will brush up against the genitals of male clients.

"I've brushed several penises, testicles. It's not a big deal. You just move the body part out of the way and you keep working," she said.

But it became apparent during Craig's interview with ESPN that she was not aware of the nature of the allegations made against Watson by nearly two dozen women and had not read any of the lawsuits.

"By no means am I saying that these women shouldn't be able to tell their stories, because they should," Craig said. "The women deserve to be heard, and people like me should probably tell their truth as well for some sort of balance, and then let the court of law decide what happened."

Masako Jones, 39, told ESPN she was "flabbergasted" by the allegations against Watson. The six-year licensed massage therapist said she worked with Watson several times starting in October 2019 and always found him to be "professional, polite" and "respectful."

Jones said it's typical for athletes to ask for treatment in their groin areas and that less experienced therapists might have misunderstood Watson's requests.

"I'm not quite sure how these women may have misconstrued what he was requesting as anything sexual," Jones said.

Jones told ESPN she can recall at least two occasions when Watson developed an erection during her massage sessions with him. That detail was not included in her statement released by Watson's legal team. But, Jones told ESPN, "erection does not equal being turned on or sexually aroused. It could just be a relaxed state."

One of the 18 massage therapists who made a public statement in support of Watson has since been accused by Buzbee of saying something completely different in a private text exchange.

Jas Brooks, a licensed massage therapist who is currently part of the medical staff for Team USA track and field, said in her statement released by Hardin that she massaged Watson at least 40 times starting in 2018 and "never had a single uncomfortable or inappropriate experience."

On Tuesday, Buzbee released a portion of an undated text message exchange that Brooks has since described as being between herself and one of her "closest friends." In the exchange, Brooks addresses her working relationship with Watson.

"I told you i stopped working with him?" Brooks texted her friend.

"Yeah why" the friend responded.

Brooks then replied in a series of messages:

"Bc i was hearing too much stuff about him messing with other people"

"Like other therapist and esthetician's. He's been doing a lot the last 3-4 months"

"And i even told his ass he needed to be careful Bc his name is getting around"

"I just hope don't nobody call me to question me"

In an Instagram post on Wednesday, Brooks attempted to add context to her comments and accused Buzbee of "playing a very dirty game and manipulating words to work in the favor of his clients." Brooks said she stopped working with Watson "for reasons unrelated to his current pending case(s)." She also wrote that she "had been hearing things from another therapist" about Watson. While she didn't elaborate, she did say she stopped working with Watson "due to my personal preference of not liking to work behind other therapists."


Deshaun Watson accepted the Faith in Action Award during the 22nd Annual Super Bowl Gospel Celebration in February. BET Super Bowl Gospel/Getty Images
THE TEMPEST AROUND Brooks' comments is telling, and likely frightening for all the women who have come forward to either accuse or defend Watson. All of them can expect to receive the scrutiny of attorneys and investigators who will place their public statements and private correspondence under a microscope.

On Friday, two Houston judges ruled that most of the plaintiffs must identify themselves. Buzbee presented evidence that Solis, the first therapist to come forward, had received profanity-laced death threats online.

"You signed your own death warrant for your life," read one.

"I'll probably kick your ass or put u in a ditch," read another.

The center of the burgeoning scandal, Watson, has yet to make extensive public comments beyond an initial Twitter post in which he denied Solis' allegations.

"I have never treated any woman with anything other than the utmost respect," Watson tweeted on March 16. "The plaintiff's lawyer claims that this isn't about money, but before filing suit he made a baseless six-figure settlement demand, which I quickly rejected. Unlike him, this isn't about money for me -- it's about clearing my name, and I look forward to doing that."

Three days later, his agent, David Mulugheta, posted this to Twitter: "Sexual assault is real. Victims should be heard, offenders prosecuted. Individuals fabricate stories in pursuit of financial gain often. Their victims should be heard, and those offenders also prosecuted. I simply hope we keep this same energy with the truth."

Companies that once paid Watson millions for endorsements have begun to shrink from his name. In recent days, Nike, Beats by Dre, Reliant Energy and the H-E-B grocery chain all announced that they have either suspended, ended or decided not to renew endorsement deals with Watson. And his playing status in Houston -- on a four-year, $160 million extension signed last September -- will remain in limbo as the cases unwind and the NFL considers how to react.

In a statement, NFL spokesperson Brian McCarthy has said the league has launched an investigation under its personal conduct policy and is "continuing to closely monitor all developments in the matter."

Watson has not appeared in public since the first case was filed, and those who know him are at a loss to explain the mounting allegations.

"I don't know what's true and what's not true, but there was never a red flag, never once," an NFL source who has been close to Watson told ESPN. "Hoping it's not true and really having a hard time even grasping that. I cannot, even today, even fathom him assaulting somebody. I just don't see it. I can't even picture it."


Billy Voltaire, 37, a former Texans strength and conditioning therapist who was fired last year amid other team changes, described Watson as a loyal friend who supported him through a difficult divorce. He said the two have continued to work out together into this year. Voltaire said he found out about the allegations on Twitter as he approached Watson's front door before a workout on the morning of March 17.

"I was in complete shock ... I was literally at the door when I found out," Voltaire said. "It's terrible because I know him personally. It's not him. It's sad to see. It's clear as day to me that something deeper is happening."

Voltaire and Watson didn't work out that day: "It was his idea to just focus on this and not be distracted by anything else."

They haven't worked out since.

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243. "I'm not sure he's a rapist, but he's definitely a weirdo and a fraud"
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one of the more disappointing sports stories of my lifetime. I just loved this guy.

Being a star NFL quarterback and having judgment so poor as to use dozens of random massage therapists, many of which he recruited on social media, is just perplexing. I guess the behavior isn't technically "wrong" but it's definitely unbecoming of a guy in his spot.

  

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244. "9 out of 22 were licensed b/w $55 discount massages"
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The story just keeps devolving

He's masseuse shopping on IG
Using coupons
and not even using licensed masseuses

I stand by an earlier comment, this dude needs a timeout to re-examine his life and circle of influence

I hope he gets the help he needs.

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254. "The more these cases go on, the more it is becoming evident "
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that Watson is not a rapist, and didn’t rape any of the accusers.

We are constantly hearing: “ Deshaun didn’t rape me, and he didn’t touch me.
However, he made me feel uncomfortable as a person and as a woman.”

One attorney expert stated that law doesn’t prosecute the immoral, it
prosecutes the criminal. And that is where these cases stand.

Was it a matter of wanting more compensation, considering the first accuser
demanded several different settlement amounts?

Was it a matter of Deshaun expecting a certain service
with every therapist( he requested specific things for every
massage)?

Was Watson fantasizing or sexualizing the services?

A lot of things are still up in the air. But rape is not one of them.







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280. "all true. Again, maybe not a rapist, but a gross dude"
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285. "I agree, I definitely believe in where there's smoke there's fire, I als..."
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believe when some these celebrities get accused you have people come out of the woodwork to get in on the settlement.

Either way Deshaun is at least a weirdo, whether he just liked getting his muscles relaxed or paid extra for the happy ending, you'd think he'd settle on a handful of therapists he liked and not deal with 40. And then to call all this attention to himself with the trade demand, he should've known any dirt anybody had on him in Houston was going to come out.

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289. "Eh. Where there's smoke... there's dry ice. Or a barbecue. "
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Or a camp fire.

And, yeah, sometimes, the forest is ablaze and someone actually set that shit.

Point being,= people see smoke, they tend to make assumptions about the fire. Those assumptions aren't always accurate.

  

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287. "One of the accusers drops lawsuit."
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I expect many more to follow. This happened after the judge ruled
that all accusers must identify themselves.


https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/04/14/deshaun-watson-attorney-accuser-drops-civil-lawsuit

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325. "regardless of how many dropped he fucked up"
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seriously fucked up.

He has too much money to be phishing on Instagram

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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329. "What does money have to do with someone being human?"
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A human being is still a human being with or without money, liable
to implementing human actions.

Tiger Woods is a billionaire, and that still didn’t stop him from banging sluts,
and then going into the kitchen to eat a bowl of Fruit Loops ( that actually happened).

You are who you are based on your character, dna, experiences, and everything
else that adds to the human evolution.

Also, wealthy people learn not to spend their own money or spend as little money
as possible. Robert Kraft, another billionaire, went to cheap Asian hand job massage
therapists.

Yes, not the most humane or decent thing to do, but a far cry from being criminal
or rape.



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332. "Kraft went to a rub n tug"
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Dashaun was pulling his cock out and air humping random massage therapist on IG
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335. "I don’t know what Deshaun was doing or what he did. "
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My point is money doesn’t stop the human experience.

Men and women go on Instagram or use Instagram to
hook up with other men and woman, regardless of how much
money they have. That’s the new form of communication.

And Like you said Kraft was at a cheap ass rub and tug place.
Why? Because he simply could.

The instincts and feelings of humans are not limited to how
much money we have. Those attributes are based on how the
human being was educated, the chemical makeup of the human being,
as well as other experiences that lead to the development of the
human being.

Who knows how many sexual transactions take place daily via twitter
and instagram. It’s simply another form of communication, similar to
the telephone. So Deshaun contacting women via Instagram is not
shocking at all in this day and age. It was clearly a hookup or contact method
for him.

What’s shocking is the amount of women he contacted, not the method.

Men and women of all cultures and financial classes THIRST on social
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336. "Trying to frame it as him just trying to fuk women he hired to do a job"
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Ain't any better

U do realize that right?


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337. "We live in a world full of men who try to fuck women they hire."
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I’m not saying it’s right. I’m not saying it’s wrong. I am just saying it’s irrelevant.

I’m simply saying that his actions weren’t criminal. This ain’t
Kobe or Big Ben which were far worse in my opinion.

Let’s just paint it what it really is and quit horsing around.

Deshaun was seeing how far he could take the services without
breaking the law. If they were open with providing sexual favors,
then cool. If they weren’t, he would just bounce.

I don’t know what that is. And I don’t know what to call it. But I know
what it isn’t. It’s not rape or anything criminal.

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338. "RE: We live in a world full of men who try to fuck women they hire."
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I'd agree its probably not criminal but definitely hurts his public image and companies he has endorsements with will probably drop him, think that has already begun. The accusations seem more comparable to Louis CK or James Franco, think the latter settled out of court with his accusers. They both lost a lot of revenue tho and expect the same here. As pointed out as well, its similar to Peyton's college incident that did nothing to him, however that was one accuser and happened 20 years ago as well, long before the Me Too era. Plus he white.

  

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339. "trying to bang people you hire IS WRONG"
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and its how you end up here

you keep sighting Tiger Woods like he didn’t take a major hit for cheating and ruining his good guy image. He still hasn’t recovered from that shit.

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340. "money has everything to do with it"
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that’s why he is being charged in a civil suit.

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330. "^^"
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>seriously fucked up.
>
>He has too much money to be phishing on Instagram

  

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A bit hard to follow all the plotlines though. Needs some script editing.

  

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>A bit hard to follow all the plotlines though. Needs some
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334. "lol, that hit me as well"
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like...the personal vendettas and complaining is what used to be every other day here

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341. "The truth shall set you free."
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Now that the names are out, let the facts rain in!

- Several of the accusers scheduled more sessions with Deshaun
after the alleged incidents took place. They kept seeing him after the alleged
incidents!

- Several of the accusers bragged to friends and relatives about massaging
Deshaun Watson and that they were going to shake him down for money.



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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/19/us/deshaun-watson-lawsuits-spt/index.html

Watson's defense team in its filing says eight plaintiffs after massage therapy sessions "bragged about, praised, and were excited" about working with Watson, according to the document.

The response, filed Monday in Texas district court in Houston, says seven plaintiffs willingly worked or offered to work with Watson after their alleged incidents.

The response says three women allegedly lied in their lawsuits about the number of sessions they had with Watson, claiming fewer than actually occurred. The court filing also says three women "lied about their alleged trauma and resulting harm."

According to the response, several plaintiffs allegedly told others they wanted to get money out of Watson, and another was described as being 'out for money.' The filing alleges that another plantiff, despite her claim she was not suing for monetary reasons, "would have abandoned her voice and being the voice of other alleged 'survivors' if Mr. Watson would agree to pay her $100,000."

"It was not until the plaintiffs saw an opportunity for a money grab that they changed their stories to convert therapy sessions they bragged about to friends and family to something much more nefarious," the response says.

Beyond denying the allegations, Watson asks in the filing for a trial by jury, to recover his legal expenses and "all other relief to which he is entitled."

Buzbee said in a statement that the allegations made in the response were "weak and vague" and "demonstrably false."

"Deshaun Watson's only defense is to call these brave women liars," Buzbee said. "I have faith that the court process will sort out the truth as these matters progress."

Watson is an NFL superstar, having been selected for three Pro Bowls in his four seasons with the Houston Texans. According to the Spotrac website, he signed a four-year, $156 million contract in 2020.

CNN's Jenn Selva and Jennifer Henderson contributed to this report.
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342. "it's allegedly when they say what he did"
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but it's a fact when he says what they did.

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343. "All Accusations have been countered."
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This is not just some talk. Every woman was investigated after the names were
released, and now the counter lawsuits have been filed on all 22 accusations.

What excuse are you going to give when the witnesses,text messages ,
and scheduled dates are presented?


Also 5 of the women recently scrubbed all of their social media accounts
off the Internet


• 7 plaintiffs willingly worked or offered to work with Mr. Watson after their alleged incidents;

• 3 plaintiffs lied about the number of sessions they actually had with Mr. Watson;

• 3 plaintiffs lied about their alleged trauma and resulting harm;

• 5 plaintiffs told others they wanted to get money out of Mr. Watson;


Can’t wait until the police investigation is finished.....It just pains your heart
that this brother is POSSIBLY innocent of any criminal behavior.


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344. "you’re taking a stand that most others don’t care enough to take"
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Part One Truth: As far as criminal repercussions, he’s probably going to get off for this and come away with nothing but a sullied reputation. You’re right.

Part two Truth: there’s dozens of women who feel he disrespected them. Their accounts more or less all align with one another’s. It’s gross. There’s a serial pattern of behavior on display here.

Both parts can be true. Congrats to him on part one I guess, which clearly means more to you than part two. But because of part two , he deserves all of the embarrassment that’s been brought on him.

He’s not going to jail but He is a hella dumb pervert.

  

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348. "what part of the allegation involves maintaining a public social media p..."
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351. "The part when such actions could be actions to REMOVE evidence "
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that could lead to self-incrimination, as well as possibly removing evidence that
supports Watson’s counter-claims.

You know damn well this isn’t a case of rape or sexual assault.
They tried to get money from this man prior to the lawsuits, and he stood
his ground, and he is doing the same thing now.


Is Deshaun dumb for seeking out these women for service, and putting himself out there?

Yes.

However, that doesn’t mean his career or livelihood should be destroyed
because of it.

I love all human beings, but I’m a man of science and law. And that’s what I stick to.
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345. "Shit was obviously suspect as fuck from the get go"
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dunno what suburb these cats were raised in to NOT doubt any white woman that cries rape/sexual assault at a Black man in America without a literal mountain of evidence.

This case? CLEARLY a shake down

  

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347. "Nah.. that’s city living fam"
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niggas from the burbs no first hand about white women lying on Black dick to save face

I knew a few dudes who did time until their “girlfriends” admitted they lied because Daddy was going to kill them.

these are nerdy city niggas bruh..

suburban cats been up on this shit for decades. lol

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349. "you just like saying that women weren't raped"
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I don't know why that's your thing, but it's not about you're from

you got a decade of it in the bag

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It's actually funny watching you losers pretend that you have any insight into anything

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>It's actually funny watching you losers pretend that you have
>any insight into anything

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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354. "RE: Shit was obviously suspect as fuck from the get go"
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He is at the very least a Louis CK level weirdo

Get the fuck outta here

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355. "nah. "
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Louis CK admittedly pulled his dick out in office meetings.
Watson's denying everything.
And right now, nothing has gone to any trial, anywhere.
Nah

  

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356. "RE: nah. "
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>Louis CK admittedly pulled his dick out in office meetings.

Was not office meetings. It was casual situations with women who he had positions of power or privilege over who were not expecting it

>Watson's denying everything.

No he is not. He is admitting sexual encounters and he clearly was fishing for them with women who were not sex workers. Their surprise or the fact that he would have to use persuasion or coercion was clearly part of the thrill to him.

There is no other reason for his behavior

>And right now, nothing has gone to any trial, anywhere.
>Nah

Louis C.K. went to trial? WTF does this have to do with anything?

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357. "what?"
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You got proof of this or are you making a presumption of guilt based upon the accusations, and then playing criminologist after watching a few episodes of CSI?:

"their surprise or the fact that he would have to use persuasion or coercion was clearly part of the thrill to him."

Watson's denying all allegations of sexual misconduct:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watson-attorney-says-all-22-of-texans-qbs-accusers-are-lying-about-alleged-sexual-misconduct/


"Louis C.K. went to trial? WTF does this have to do with anything?"

A trial establishes legal responsibility and legal fact. CK ADMITTED TO his shit, so no legal establishment of fact was needed:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/nov/10/louis-ck-statement-sexual-misconduct-allegations-these-stories-are-true


  

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346. "not surprised one bit by this article"
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the problem with allegations like this is more times than not IG folk gonna brag to someone because.. its fucking IG.

also wondered who filed directly with the cops. Part of me wonders if that was some gangster move by Hardin to get names released so they could investigate the claims.

still think DeShaun was an idiot for going the IG route because of course there is a greater chance for a shake down.

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359. "fbi investigating possible extortion against watson."
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32044710/fbi-investigating-allegations-houston-texans-qb-deshaun-watson-possible-extortion

  

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360. "So now you want to come to the BBQ?"
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FOH

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361. "?"
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362. "My mistake."
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I thought you were one of the individuals who didn’t believe that one of the
woman tried to extort money from Watson.

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363. "So it turns out he was actually trying to buy NBC..or the WB? "
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364. "no criminal charges"
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I really wish tampa had enough to trade for him, but they don't.

Unfortunately I think carolina does. philly obviously as well.

  

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367. "I wonder IF the Texans can even trade him now."
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It's hilarious. I've seen him photoshopped in Bucs, Browns, Steelers, Eagles, Vikings and Falcons jerseys immediately after the news.

but he comes with SUCH a hefty price tag (for the next couple of seasons), plus you gotta deal with the Klannish Inquisition for time immemorial.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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374. "i wouldnt even worry about this if i was a team"
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>plus you gotta deal with the Klannish Inquisition
>for time immemorial.


once Deshaun starts playing and being his usual amazing self all the white whine will cease

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378. "lowkey I agree, and that's why I think the STEELERS will win out."
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even knowing what much of their fanbase is and can be.

They are iron clad.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/gm-report/breaking-deshaun-watson-will-not-face-charges

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366. "Didnt Watson and Flores want to be together? "
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368. "Have the Steelers ever made a big trade like this? honestly asking"
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The biggest I can think of was the Minkah trade a few years back

But Steelers would be a great place for him

  

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369. "No.. but our FO is changing"
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and our GM is retiring and I know he doesn’t want to leave us without a franchise QB

I doubt it happens but I also doubted we would hire Flores, sign Vick or resign Plexico.

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370. "for my agendas, it would be horrible. However..."
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...if there is any team built to withstand the shitstorm, it's the Steelers. Even a fan revolt would be rendered mute. Even Pittsburgh Dad would have to find a way to accept it.

And I'm not even talking about because of Big Ben (though I will say the Big Ben situation was worse than this, with an egregious copfail that never gets called out)

The Iron Curtain (of Bullshit) is Too Big To Fail.

And the Steelers are essentially missing a QB. Unless they're sold on Pickett, this is going to be a convo.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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371. "Reports and tweets out that Seattle will attempt to trade for DW"
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They have the picks needed to make that deal now. Seattle has a terrible draft record of recently so it would make sense to trade for a young franchise QB to replace their lash franchise QB.

If Seattle gets him, the AFC and NFC West teams will be loaded at the QB positions.

  

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376. " I doubt if he wants to go to a rebuilding situation in Seattle"
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375. "Pit does have a history of rapey QBs , he’d be great "
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But seriously if he went there they’d kick so much ass

  

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377. "But Deshaun didn’t rape anyway, and is an innocent man."
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372. "Panthers ready to go for it…."
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and I was just reading a few days ago, that they were taking calls on CMC. Maybe he’s part of the package?
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373. "doubt the Texans want CMC’s contract and injury history"
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they want young guys on defense.

Horn, Chin, Burns, etc and picks

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379. "this shit gets crazier and crazier..."
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/07/sports/football/deshaun-watson.html

if the Texans were in on it I don't know how he thought he could demand a trade lol...

this is starting to sound like some low key Darren Sharper type shit...

I'm sure that Cleveland contract has some kind of out clauses, he may not be playing football anytime soon...

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380. "Have to think this is why browns haven’t released baker yet "
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No other reason to hang on to baker, cause no one’s trading for the last year of that contract

  

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381. "total creep fraud weirdo. One of the all-time bizarre sports stories."
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382. "Get that bullshit out of here."
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He was basically using massage therapists as sex escorts, and everyone
knew about it. That’s why the 2 grand juries found ZERO evidence of him
committing rape or sexual assault.

If prostitution were legal, we wouldn’t have this issue.

The god damn owner of the Patriots was going to
Asian massage parlors to get laid.

Stop clutching your pearls over the obvious. You got athletes who will see about
5 escorts a week.

And to compare this situation to Darren Shaper who was drugging
and raping women?

This ain’t even in the same universe.

Deshaun Watson requested sexual services from his therapists....and I’m sure
some were offended by it, and some agreed to it and he paid them....

But not one single one of those women was raped.

One therapist who was interviewed by SI, even stated that Deshaun made her
feel uncomfortable with his requests, but she also said he did not rape or assault her.



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383. "You’re all over the map pal"
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“If prostitution were legal, it would be totally ok that he asked 5 dozen women to Blow him unprompted”

Which…I guess?

He’s gross and dumb. Probably not a rapist. But definitely a scumbag idiot who I would NOT make the face of my franchise. Surely You can agree on that at least? You can be a gross shithead and not be a sexual predator.

  

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386. "This is America."
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This is a country of free enterprise and Labor, and you cannot inhibit a man
or woman from making a living if he or she has not committed a crime.

He broke no laws, so therefore he is entitled to having an occupation. His occupation
is football, so he should be allowed to play, and will be allowed to play.

He asked for sexual services. Depending or your principles, that
may be immoral to you....but it isn’t criminal.


Case closed.

Big Ben actually monster raped 2 women, and played football with people
like you cheering for him......and being celebrated on TV

FOH



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388. "Also, he didn’t go up to random women and ask for a BJ"
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These women weren’t strangers on the street.

We all know what goes on at some massage parlors, and the
type of sexual services that SOME massage therapists provide.

Let’s not play dumb here.

Was his behavior immoral or unprofessional?

Yes.

is he a monster or criminal?

No.

He saw 66 different therapists. There are 23 therapists who are
suing him... do the math.


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392. "From that article, these were random women that he didn’t know"
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That he was asking for blow jobs. That’s why he had to have 66 different women giving him a message, others stopped seeing him because he was being creepy and asking for blow jobs, a finger in his ass and sex. Many of the women simply ghosted him so he had to find someone new.

I don’t get messages but I imagine 66 different women in an 18 month period is a high turnover rate.

  

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396. "yeah, these were stranger’s on the internets"
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that’s totally different

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384. "RE: Get that bullshit out of here."
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I agree that he’s not on Darren Sharper’s level as far as his alleged crimes, it’s just another dude on some super weirdo shit that probably had a ton of regular women throwing themselves at him, it’s obviously some serious mental issues involved

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387. "Come on. "
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Have you ever worked in Wall Street?

You think Deshaun Watson is the only one in the world who requested sex
from a massage therapists, or requested a happy ending?

If Deshaun were white that shit wouldn’t have even been brought to
light, because that’s all powerful, rich white men do.

Again, Robert Kraft was caught up in a TEN MASSAGE PARLOR
sting. You think that was his first time?

Tiger Woods was seeing over 30 different white prostitutes.

Deshaun isn’t a weirdo and he doesn’t have mental issues....Dude was
just soliciting sexual services like other men in this world....He just went
about it immorally and unprofessionally.

He is probably the type that doesn’t like to sleep with the same woman
twice....which is why he sought out 66 women.

Even one of the therapists who said he wasn’t a rapist, told him
to stop going to different therapists and to just stick with a few, because
he could be easily set up or framed, or it could really put him in a negative light.




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394. "No. He just needed fresh new blood to sexually assault "
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>Deshaun isn’t a weirdo and he doesn’t have mental
>issues....Dude was
>just soliciting sexual services like other men in this
>world....He just went
>about it immorally and unprofessionally.
>
>He is probably the type that doesn’t like to sleep with the
>same woman
>twice....which is why he sought out 66 women.
>



You know you’re one of the dumbest people posting on this entire board right?

We laugh at you

This is a new level of clownish. Even for you.

  

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398. "So basically you don’t have anything to add, but name calling."
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like a child.

Bottom line the man isn’t a criminal and was never charged with a crime.

Those are facts.

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435. "No I’m stating facts "
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We all fucking hate you

  

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422. "Literally no one worse."
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397. "This is so repulsive. "
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>But not one single one of those women was raped.
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400. "^^^Does not know the difference between soliciting for sex "
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and rape.

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401. "forcing womens' hands to his junk is rapeish"
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so he's not raping anybody, but he's closer to raping somebody than if he'd just gotten a regular old massage from one masseuse

  

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408. "dude allegedly masturbated and busted on a chicks face"
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without her consent.

thats not solitication.

thats straight up sexual assault.

allstah is either willfully ignoring all of the alleged behavior that falls outside of his chosen narrative...or he just has a warped sense of consent and sexual normalcy.

  

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410. "or allstah also uses these services"
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413. "dude going a lil too hard."
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417. "which makes sense given the topic"
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dudes going extra hard not reading the room.

She aint interested fam.. stop pressing.

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427. "Yes. I’m going extra hard, because none of your allegations "
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have been proven. And he isn’t facing any criminal charges because there
was no evidence of any wrong doing.

You said he ,allegedly, forcefully busted a nut on a therapists face.

I want you to sit down and take a second to really think about that ....just
really think about that.

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426. "That is an allegation and has not been proven"
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2 grand juries found no evidence of criminal activity.

That’s a fact. You’re stating an accusation. Do you have any proof of
that accusation?

What is rape:

“Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without that person's consent.”

Do you believe Deshaun Watson did that?

Like I said, there is a different between sexual solicitation and RAPE.

And I’m saying Watson did not RAPE those women.

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385. "yeah he def aint playing this year for sure"
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he need to go get help he got issues.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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389. "not that this has ever stopped a man from cheating, hiring escorts..."
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etc., but he has one of the BADDEST chicks too.

  

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390. "Show me a gorgeous woman and I will show a man who is "
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tired of focking her.

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391. "itd be poetic justice if this became a scandal for the texans"
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since they most likely got the ball rolling on the whole thing by leaking this shit to the press.

  

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393. "That brother (c) needs help."
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395. "only thing shocking to me is the Texans accommodating him"
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the numbers don’t sway me.

Dude likes to get rubbed, tugged and finger popped.. lol.

With his nasty ass..

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399. "RE: only thing shocking to me is the Texans accommodating him"
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>the numbers don’t sway me.
>
>Dude likes to get rubbed, tugged and finger popped.. lol.
>
>With his nasty ass..

That part ain’t really crazy it’s just how he went about it, there are probably thousands of beautiful women in Houston who would’ve done all that for free lol. I somewhat get the simplicity of wanting to deal with “professionals” but still there are better ways to do it if you wanna go that route.

And for the Texans to be enabling him and he turns around and demands a trade a year after signing a huge contract?

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402. "it IS fair to say "he's crazy" or "he needs help" haha"
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>
>And for the Texans to be enabling him and he turns around and
>demands a trade a year after signing a huge contract?

between the pattern of behavior and the nerve to then demand a trade? Yea...dude needs to be examined.

  

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404. "I knew a dude who was on trial for selling weight"
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He broke up with his GF who was also under investigation and then told her he was marrying another woman.

Some dudes are just dumb and have a ridiculous level of entitlement.. lol.

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416. "yeah I've seen similar shit..."
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>He broke up with his GF who was also under investigation and
>then told her he was marrying another woman.
>
>Some dudes are just dumb and have a ridiculous level of
>entitlement.. lol.

dudes trying to get divorced while on trial for some major shit and your wife is the only person that CAN'T testify against you lol

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403. "Not sure there are randoms wiling to do that for free"
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more than likely he catches a charge or gets accused because of the volume and high turnover.

Dude on some Tiger Woods from the hood shit.

Sounds like he has no game and was on some caveman steez.

and yeah, the fact that he demanded a trade with all this going on leads me to believe he wasn’t this nice guy asking for a lil extra. Sounds like a guy who doesn’t know how to read the room

Some definitely will and some definitely won’t.. when they say nah, you can’t be on some JUST DO IT, CMON!!!! That shit is rapey af.



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405. "it seems like dude just had this massage fetish."
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if it was about sex...there are plenty of 'willing' women to get that from...'regular' women who are attracted to you and escorts. especially in the age of ig/onlyfans/etc (he *was* contacting/hiring a lot of these women off ig). its easier than ever for athletes to find people to have sex with.

and there are plenty of establishments where their literal profession is exactly what he was trying to accomplish with massages turning into some sexual favor (ask robert kraft).

but i think he just got off on the prospect of him persuading unsuspecting women to turn a massage into a nut lol. like the thrill of it not being a guaranteed outcome but moreso something he has to seduce a woman into doing.

the fact that he was cycling through so many different women...instead of settling on one or a few who really got him off...seems like some compulsive shit too.

another weird part of it is...these all seem to be part of a pretty well defined/investigated timespan in recent years. did this fetish just pop up out of nowhere and become insatiable? why isnt there much evidence of him exhibiting this type of behavior before that?

  

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409. "^^^ I agree with this."
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I think it was just his thing and way of being sexually satisfied. He enjoyed
receiving a massage and sex all in one session.

Prostitutes or Escorts are not trained in providing massages or know how
to effectively massage the body, so that was something he probably wasn’t
interested in.

Men go to massage parlors to receive extra services ( wink, wink), but there
is a huge difference between massage parlors and specific massage therapists,
and I don’t think he distinguished that difference.....so he solicited for sexual services
from every massage therapists he encountered.

But I even have my doubts about that....I believe the majority of those
sexual services were set up for him and all parties knew what was involved.

Again, he saw 66 therapists, and he is being sued by 23. Something doesn’t
add up. Plus it has already been reported that a Spa owner was facilitating
massage sessions with the understanding that Watson also wanted to have
sex during those sessions.



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412. "what doesnt add up?"
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>Again, he saw 66 therapists, and he is being sued by 23.
>Something doesn’t
>add up. Plus it has already been reported that a Spa owner was
>facilitating
>massage sessions with the understanding that Watson also
>wanted to have
>sex during those sessions.

why are you expecting the experience to be universal across multiple women and every situation to either be black/white?

its most likely he hired some 'professionals' from a service who were okay with doing everything he wanted, obviously some women via other means who felt violated by his behavior and were willing to come forward, some women who felt violated but choose to remain silent, prolly some women who were 'solicited' and refused but maybe didnt feel a significant line was crossed, etc.


  

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424. "It doesn’t add up because the 23 women who are suing"
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are all represented by the same attorney who is also a friend of the owner of
the Texans.

In situations of multiple sexual assault or rape cases, where different women were allegedly rape, each victim usually had a different attorney.

Deshaun Watson saw 66 therapists, and is being sued by 23 therapists
who are all being represented by the same lawyer.

That doesn’t not add up...in it it doesn’t make sense,
and that Watson is clearly being targeted.

You said yourself that there were probably some therapists who agreed and
and some who didn’t and felt appalled, and they all come from different backgrounds
as far as the services that they provide......

But 23 women all have the same attorney and are giving similar accounts, but then
there are 43 women who are giving a completely different story.

It doesn’t add up, and anyone with the ability to critical think would be able
to acknowledge that.

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414. "1/3 of the women have come foward"
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only thing that isn’t adding up is this dude demanding trade when he knew the Texans had inside info on his fetish

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415. "dude thinks every single woman has to come forward"
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for it to be believable.

like if a nigga had sex with 100 women...and 75 women never accused him of rape...the 25 that do accuse him must be lying.

thats...disturbing.

  

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418. "if all of them aint complaining.. smh"
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Deshaun has to be a serial rapist batting 1000 or its all lies

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420. "only *15* of the 66 women said everything was fine."
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that doesnt seem to be an issue with homie tho lol.

  

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406. "Here is even more proof that Watson was paying for "
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sexual services from massage therapists.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/01/houston-spa-owner-testifies-that-deshaun-watson-paid-her-5000-because-hes-a-nice-person/amp/

Spa Owner Nia Smith facilitated massage therapy sessions for Watson with the
understanding that he was seeking to pay for sexual services. She is basically a
pimp, and Is known for providing that type of business for her clients.

My whole point for supporting Deshaun Watson is that there is a HUGE difference
between rape and soliciting for sexual favors, and that the sessions were routine
business dealings.

Immoral or Unscrupulous?

Yes.

Rape?

NO


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407. "every situation wasnt the same."
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yeah he got some from a spa known for that.

and there were some women who officially attested to him being cool and professional and not doing anything outside the bounds of regular service.

but obviously the lawsuits/complaints are coming from women from a different hiring method and a different overall experience.

  

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411. "Correction:"
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The Spa Owner’s name is Dionne Louis...Nia Smith is one of the Plaintiffs.

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419. "allstah is a deranged mf."
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replies going from stupid to downright unsettling.

  

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he’s like a gay pastor.. lol

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423. "This is quite the hill to die on"
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425. "Now I’m deranged because I don’t believe that he raped "
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those women, and that he is being targeted?

And that the situation doesn’t add up to make sense to me.

- there are text messages from one of the plaintiffs who was trying
to extort Watson for money.

- 23 of the 66 therapists who are suing Watson are all represented by the
attorney who is a friend of the Texans owner. Not one of those women
has a separate attorney....that doesn’t raise an eyebrow?

- Spa Owner set up several massage sessions for Watson knowing that
he wanted sexual services.

- The Houston Texans even arranged some of the massage sessions


There are lot of holes there and a lot of he said/ she said with ZERO evidence
of sexual misconduct or rape




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442. "You sound ridiculous and supportive of sexual assualt"
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I don't know why you even typed all this shit out.

It's irrelevant that a massage owner set up massages for Watson knowing that he wanted sex. If that's all that Watson was doing then there MAY be a way to defend that but it's pretty clear that it was not.

Watson is a PREDATOR. He has a SPECIFIC tactic and pathology to his addiction when it comes to this as damn near every single plaintiff has said as much.

He was getting massages from random women, some of whom weren't even licensed massage therapists with the specific INTENT to try to coerce them into sex. The method he went about it is the way he needs to do it to do it because he can't control himself. A number of these women weren't even affiliated with the massage owner you mentioned. They were just unsuspecting women who Watson pulled out his dick on and asked them to play with his ass. And in some cases bullied into having sex with him.

Of course the Texans would try to cover this up!!! He was their most valuable and important player so when they got wind of this they tightened it up and tried to keep it under wraps which is DISGUSTING but not at all unexpected.

If Watson wasn't a fucking creep and didn't have a problem this bad where he exposed himself (in more ways than one) like this then this wouldn't even be an issue. The fact that there are this many women is indefensible. Criminal guilt or not......this dude was out here wildin the fuck out.

Why in the fuck would you want to die on this hill.

  

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429. "Unless he’s getting paid by Watson, this is mind-boggling"
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He said *only* 23 out of 66, as if that’s a good thing. Plus, it’s 24. Lmaooooo.

Not to mention a couple criminal complaints that aren’t lawsuits, and some who just haven’t sued him, but have accused him of inappropriate behavior.

Also, and this isn’t specific to him, but it’s amazing how some members of this board are very willing to believe cops and DAs when it benefits a creepy guy. “Well it was investigated and they didn’t find any wrongdoing!” Oh sure, the cops are always known for thoroughly investigating sexual assault and never drop the ball on these things. Even if you don’t know the statistics on just those types of cases, have we learned nothing that would call into question the overall competency/priorities of American police/legal system?

  

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433. "He's grading on the Deshaun Watson curve. Lmao"
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448. "What proof do you have? "
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Your spew of allegations or accusations are not proof. Do you have any
proof that the DA lied or that investigators lied?

No you don’t. All you have are opinions and accusations

It’s funny how you project the possibility of law enforcement covering for
Deshaun, but you don’t even consider the possibility that the women
or the lawyer who is representing all the women are targeting Deshaun
for financial purposes.

Prior to any lawsuits being filed, one of the plaintiffs tried to extort him
for money.

Plus there are therapists who stated that he didn’t do anything
illegal to the them, and that he was a professional.

So what we have here is a he said/ she said, and the entire
case is saturated in DOUBT.

When this case first came about, Buzbee was basically doing 1-800 informercials,
stating that if you are therapist who gave Deshaun a massage you could be
compensated. Buzbee is a known ambulance chasing attorney, and he is
a piece of shit in his field......


As more information gets released, we are realizing that all parties involved were
aware of the type of service that Watson wanted....including the Texans.

Prosecutors prosecute the criminal, not the immoral.

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434. "Yep. He’s Vladimir Putin’s bitch too"
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436. "damn what happened to that poster kfine?"
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seems like she completely disappeared after the ukraine invastion post.

  

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449. "Lol that post is an epic dumpster fire , highly entertaining tho 🍿 "
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>seems like she completely disappeared after the ukraine
>invastion post.

The dumbest MFs on OKP analyzing geopolitical conflict like a Marvel movie written by a Fox News correspondent

“wE goTTa sToP teh bad guys”!

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452. "the funniest part was people blaming everyone but putin"
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for an invasion by putin.

well too many countries joined nato so he had to invade a free sovereign country that isnt in nato!

  

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428. "I wonder what Deshaun is doing now?"
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As in for massage.

Clearly this isn't a habit one can stop cold turkey. How's he getting his fix now?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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430. "i wouldnt be surprised if hes still doing the same thing"
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just to a less frequent or more discreet degree.

the sheer numbers make it seem like an ongoing compulsion thats hard to quench. i mean...dude was getting it from social media, from spas/parlors, etc. whoever/wherever he thought he could fulfill his fix.

it looks like it was such a compulsion that when the texans became aware of a complaint about his behavior...instead of trying to get him to cool down and become less exposed...they just helped him craft nda's and continue right along.

i wouldnt be surprised if a much more recent allegation or some evidence of him engaging in the same pattern pops up.

at that point...itd prolly be curtains for him. not just for the year but for a long while (maybe career). its looking bad for him right now as is.

  

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438. "He uses a Theragun and then jerks off on it. "
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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440. "prolly oiled up and ready to go as we discuss.. lol"
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444. "lmao, I'm sure Dabo and everybody in his family has pulled him aside..."
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and said "dude, you fucking up the church's money!"

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431. "teams should start offering "how to mack"/"kickin game" workshops"
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or maybe self-esteem,confidence workshops so you can get your freak on in a non dirtbag way

  

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432. "lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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437. "Send L Star there too while we’re at it "
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439. "lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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445. "I thought about that but some dudes are just weird he's probably not..."
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the first player to be into this but social media today is a gift and a curse for young dudes with money like the dude that was with the Raiders brandishing guns in IG live and others who posted videos with strippers during the height of the pandemic

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446. "Or Urban at a bar in Ohio after his team lost and getting a lap dance "
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451. "I tried 2 avoid going there but those guys do have 1 thing in common lol..."
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456. "I doubt u can learn/unlearn this kind of behavior in a weekend seminar"
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like this dude is pretty fucked up

  

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massages.

i'm sure there is some quality therapeutic content within.

peace & blessings,

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447. "Watson has more massages than TDs in the NFL"
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454. "lol right"
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455. "2 more coming."
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https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1536506494182637570

i think the worst thing deshaun (or his team) did...outside of the alleged behavior...was lying about how many massages he got.

especially when the confirmed tally (so far) is like 20 more than he admitted.

if youre lying about material (but non-incriminating) information like that...theres no reason for the browns/nfl to believe anything else coming from you. it throws every other claim youve made in doubt.

the browns (and prolly the nfl) were perfectly fine rolling with his story as it existed...then the nytimes came through with a *real* investigation and blew that up.

  

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457. "Those are lawsuits, not criminal charges. "
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Anyway can put forth a claim, even if the person being sued is not
guilty of committing a crime. This is a battle in the court of public opinion.
I wouldn’t be surprised if more massage therapists put forth claims, especially
if millions are available.

That’s all Buzbee and and his clients can do, because there is
zero physical evidence that a crime was committed.


I know you’re not naive.

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458. "https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/browns-deshaun-watson-reaches-confide..."
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/browns-deshaun-watson-reaches-confidential-settlements-in-20-of-24-civil-lawsuits-alleging-sexual-misconduct/

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459. "settled with 20 of the 24 women"
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welp.. he is definitely trying to move on from this now with the payoffs.

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461. "They settled so he isnt guilty"
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462. "It was always a civil situation, and never a criminal situation."
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I think the settlements are sufficient, and some of those women deserve them.
Anyone with any type of sensibility knows that he solicited for sex in those situations,
and some of those women were appalled by his requests and offers, so they sued
....and rightfully so.

Hopefully, Deshaun learns from this, and moves on in a positive way. There are
industries that specialize in sexual services, so there is no reason for him to
solicit for sex from true, professional women.


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463. "RE: solicit for sex from true, professional women"
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But that's his kink
It's not about F'n massage therapists
He gets off on forcing them
That's the kink.

It's been painful watching you defend him
Like embarrassed to be associated with the board bad on your part.

Watson already fumbling the bag before taking a snap
Good thing that contract is guaranteed
Feels like he's going to need it for the 4 holdouts
Victim #1 wants her day in court.

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464. "How do you know what his kink is?"
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We don’t. You’re assuming, and your assumptions aren’t facts.

Deshaun does have a defense lawyer, correct? So he is being
defended because he has a case to defend, and he claims he is innocent.
of rape.

Also, you’re wrong as shit about his approach. It was a massage therapist thing,
because he went to 66 of them. He didn’t approach women from other industries
or women in his community or place of work. He clearly had a pattern.

I believe he is guilty of soliciting for sexual favors. How you view that is your
own personal belief, but that isn’t rape, and it isn’t criminal..

Now from a morality stand point, in regards to his character and demeanor, for
me that’s irrelevant. I’m merely focused on the criminal aspect of the situation.

Did he commit a crime? Based on evidence or lack thereof, he didn’t commit a crime.
Like I said, this has always been a civil case, and not a criminal one.


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465. "Oh, I thought you had a breakthrough...carry on."
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467. "the whole thing is mind-boggling to me..."
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like if he had 66 massages and 24 cases, did the other 42 just choose not to file or did they give the "happy endings"?

You know at least half those women have husbands or significant others that are looking at them sideways now lol

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468. "some were prolly down with it"
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and I wouldn’t be surprised if a few were compensated already.

I’m sure there are also some that don’t want their husbands to know what they do for extra money so they ain’t saying shit.. lol.

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470. "Right, it outs the accusers "
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One of the cases was rescinded because of the stipulation that the accusers name would be made public

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466. "breh.. you just gave us a detailed breakdown of his kink "
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471. "are we sure that nigga aint deshaun watson?"
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486. "LMAO"
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474. "I don’t know that man."
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I don’t know how he gets his rocks off....and nor do I make
assumptions about that.

What I do know is that there is no evidence of any criminal behavior, and
that’s all I was arguing since day one.




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476. "you sure act like you were in the room. "
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obviously the dude has a kink/fetish and has settled 20 of 24 women.

He obviously did something wrong.

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469. "RE: It was always a civil situation, and never a criminal situation."
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"Hopefully, Deshaun learns from this, and moves on in a positive way. There are
industries that specialize in sexual services, so there is no reason for him to
solicit for sex from true, professional women." -Delusional

You've said some wild and ridiculous stuff in this thread but this blows it all out. What you are not understanding there are women who openly and SAFELY provide sexual service and ARE PROFESSIONALS.

The whole point of this blowing up in Watsons face is that he sought sex from women who are professionals in massage but not professional sex workers. It would appear Watson was soliciting from massage therapists on purpose because the element of surprise and control gets him off. ITS OBVIOUS.

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. PLEASE STOP POSTING ABOUT THIS.

  

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473. "^^WRONG"
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Prostitution is illegal in all but one state, Nevada. So it isn’t true, professional work
because it’s illegal. Prostitution is a crime in all states, but Nevada. That’s why I
typed what I typed.

Massage Therapy is a legal, professional business. Escort services are not.
This is why Escort services often list themselves as a massage business.....
oh, the irony.

Think before you type next time.

SO YOU ARE CLEARLY THE ONE WHO DOESN’T KNOW
WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.

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475. "STOP STOP STOP"
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Yow know this is some bullshit.

There are escorts, models, IG influencers, ect that OPENLY get paid for sex. Everyone knows it and the consent and the intent is known going into it.

Brothels are legal in Nevada. So if you want to roll up to Eureka County then you can.

But make no mistake that sex workers work everywhere, anywhere and all the time.

SO trying to act like Watson had to move like he did is RIDICULOUS. There are plenty of dudes out here getting it in and now hitting up random massage therapists and showing up with a hard dick and a little towel on some oops shit.

STOP.

  

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478. "Dude, please"
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We aren’t talking about IG influencers or strippers. We are talking about
women who fock for money. What the hell are you talking about?

This is literally a conversation about women who sell SEX

Prostitutes are not true professionals, because their profession is ILLEGAL . In the
United States of America ( except for certain counties in Nevada) it is an illegal business, and individuals who are caught doing such illegal business can be JAILED.

Escorts and Prostitutes don’t pay taxes from their illegal earnings, which is also
a crime.

It is not a true( legal) profession.

FACT

So again, if Watson wants to live out whatever KINKS or fantasies the he has,
go to the women who ACTUALLY sell sex for money.

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479. "Are you fucking Watson too?!?!?"
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Why are you so adamant about defending this obviously fuck boi behavior?

Why is it so hard for you to just say that the mfkr was creeping on women he shouldn't have been?

You want to play the semantics game with what's "legal" and what isn't from the standpoint of sex workers but that's exactly what Watsons defense is of why he doesn't think he did anything wrong when he was hitting up these women for sex under the impression that he was coming for a "regular" massage.

Some of the women knew what time it was and some didn't but he got sloppy and careless and instead of just hitting up his hookup who was providing women for his kink he wanted to get the drop on random women too.

  

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480. "dude has no idea what he is arguing about anymore"
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he just has to be the contrarian in every post.

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481. "I don’t assume things or put forth accusations "
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without facts or evidence. And Deshaun creeping on women wasn’t
the conversation that we were having. We were talking about prostitutes and
Escorts not being legal professionals.

I’m simply saying that Deshaun didn’t commit rape, and 2 grand juries saw it
the same way.

Also, fact, the Texans set up some of those massage sessions and
and handed out NDAs to the therapists. Also, one of the Spa owners
was known for scheduling massage therapy sessions for Deshaun Watson
KNOWING that he was interested in having sex with the therapists.

These weren’t just random “let me ask this chick for sex “ sessions.....
seems like benefits and perks being offered by a franchise and other
parties.

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482. "Except for when you assumed these women’s claims were bullshit"
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without facts or evidence.

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2733657&mesg_id=2733657&page=#2733901

You’ve assumed a LOT of things in this post, and strangely all of those assumptions have been favorable to Watson. Hmmmm.

You made assumptions about a woman because she wears a NOSE RING lmaooooo.

  

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483. "Right, a grand jury not indicting is not the same as "
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No crime committed and no evidence
Search warrants
Depositions
Etc...

The accusations not being a Buzbee grift is pretty much what has been proven at this point

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484. "Plus, we’re really gonna pretend like women should trust cops, DAs, et..."
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“Why not let the cops investigate this?” is just the most willfully ignorant bullshit.

  

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487. "IDK how an American adult can have lived through the Cosby case"
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and still take the stance that AllStah is stuck on

Mind numbing.

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489. "This isn’t even in the same universe as Bill Cosby. You know "
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that. Bill Cosby was drugging and raping women, and preying upon underage age
girls.

Deshaun Watson sought out to pay for sexual services from massage therapists.
Those were indecent proposals.

Does that make him a creep?

Does that make him a pervert?

It depends on what your perceptions and principles are. If you think he is a creep,
then that is your belief. If you think he isn’t a creep, then that is your belief as well.

I haven’t labeled Deshaun anything. I’ve just been focused on the case itself, and
the facts that exist in regards to the case. Only thing that I’ve stated is that he is
innocent of any criminal action ( or until PROVEN otherwise).

Everything else is a civil situation and a matter of interpretation.


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491. "You are aware that solicitation is illegal?"
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The charging schedule compounds
1st charge = max 3 years
2nd charge = max 10 years
You're conceding 20+ solicitation violations...while also maintaining no crime was committed...are you okay?

and that's only 1 violation
There's also the indecent exposure which you seem comfortable conceding as well
Sexual assault is also a crime.

IRT Cosby
The allegations were in the public domain for decades
Folks took the same defensive stance as you are here
No crime
No evidence
Golddiggers
Etc...

He was given immunity and admitted under oath to drugging and raping women
That's the only evidence that exists vs Cosby

IMO, Watson is settling in order to not have to testify under oath

Crimes were committed

and you out here sounding real Claire Huxtable...

Carry on.

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495. "Oh so he broke the law then."
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>Deshaun Watson sought out to pay for sexual services from
>massage therapists.

aka he did something that's illegal. Which has been the only throughline of your otherwise bullshit arguments throughout this post, that he did nothing illegal.

God you're the worst.

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488. "And it doesn’t mean that he did."
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A man is innocent to until proven guilty, IS THAT NOT OUR
LAW?

Plus you got women saying that he was a complete gentlemen and professional,
but let’s not let that get in the way of allegations.

So as it stand he is an innocent man of committing RAPE.

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485. "You're all over the place....."
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We've already established that there was a particular business owner that was setting up these rub and tugs for Watson.

We now know that the Texans supplied Watson with a hotel room and an NDA when he was taking his dick rubs there.

What became a problem is that he went outside of this arrangement and started just going for randoms. Going to their houses in some cases. And just pulling his dick out. We don't know for sure in a number of these encounters whether or not crimes were committed.

Just because a grand jury can't convict him because of lack of evidence doesn't mean the shit didn't happen.

He may have raped someone and he almost certainly assaulted some of these women given the numerous accounts.

So go ahead an keep going with your bullshit. He's going to get away with it. We're not discussing that. We are just being upfront about some fuck shit when we see it.

  

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490. "He was just pulling his dick out?"
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Do you have any proof of that? Did you see him do that?

No.

That is an allegation that has not been proven or any evidence
that he did do that. But you speak of it like it’s fact and that you
have evidence

Now the grand jury covered up for him and the DA is lying?

So it’s possible for the GJ and DA to lie, but not possible that
the women exaggerated the encounters with Watson for monetary gain,
when the majority of the sessions were possibly consensual?

It’s possible for one side to be liars, but not the other?

Quit making up shit and reaching to support your narrative.

STOP.

All I know is that there is zero evidence to support any of the
women’s claim of rape. So Deshaun Watson, as it stands,
is innocent of rape....The cases against him are CIVIL, because a
man doesn’t have to be convicted of a crime to be sued....and in civil
court perjury goes unpunished.

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492. "so he is paying all these women off for what? "
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493. "So he doesn't have to testify."
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496. "Every. Single. Fucking. Day."
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You truly are a horrible person.

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>It is not a true profession.

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477. "Houston isn’t in Nevada"
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not sure why you continue to try and spin this shit.

I didn’t want dude to be the perv he is when I first heard the story but the nigga got more issues than Jet.

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497. "6 games "
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498. "Boom, as predicted."
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It’s a fair judgement.

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499. "can he appeal and get it reduced to 4 or is this a solid 6?"
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someone said 6 is the new 4 regarding sexual misconduct in the NFL.

I’m ready to get back to football. I’m sure the NFL is as well.

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500. "they're saying he will not appeal..."
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6 games is what Cleveland thought it would be, when they traded for him...so, to that end, the CLE/Watson side is happy. The league may appeal, though...cuz. they were pushing for a year.

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501. "Fuck the Shield..."
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..They gave Roethlisberger 6 games and didn't flinch.

Appealing this ruling would bring even more problems their way.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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502. "RE: Fuck the Shield..."
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Disagree

Rothelisberger was a long time ago.

NFL needs to appeal, if only to protect their brand from what is coming.

Six game is really not enough, and they are going to get cooked for it.

That said, Watson is part of a union and the union went to the mattresses for him, so they can only do so much. Especially without any criminal convictions.

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503. "Six games is more than adequate based on the evidence"
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on hand or lack there of.

The adjudicator is a retired federal judge, who has
presided over hundreds of criminal cases. And as a judge,
her judgement was based on evidence and proof. There was no
physical evidence that Deshaun did anything criminal, or that
his behavior was egregious enough to determine a 1 year suspension.

Metaphorically speaking, she saw it as misdemeanor as opposed to a
felony based on the evidence or lack there of. Basically, his actions weren’t
severe enough to warrant a hard penalty.

Her judgement was proper and exact, and I agree with it.







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505. "RE: Six games is more than adequate based on the evidence"
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I don't agree, and if I was the NFL, I would appeal.

The appeal will undoubtedly fail but it would help with the optics.

Frankly, it looks bad.


Not having enough evidence to convict someone is one thing. Innocence is another. And public relations is a third.

Lots of people find Deshaun Watson's conduct to be disgusting and predatory. That is a bad look for a league with a lot of PR issues already, in a time where much of society is sick of predatory men, and willing to be vocal in their displeasure.

This sentence comes off as a slap on the wrist.

YOU don't see it so. You have made that abundantly clear. As far as YOU are concerned, this is all much ado about nothing.

But YOU are not the NFL's problem right now, their problem is the significant number of people who do find his conduct appalling/criminal/disgusting, and the opinion pieces, social media postings and civil cases that are surely still to come.

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508. "i think sitting out all of 2021 helped him immensely "
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but I don’t see why the league would stretch this out with an appeal.

Also, I’m curious how many people are really upset by Watson right today.

I think most people men AND women, have moved on.

but maybe its just because I’m tired of it? Not seeing/hearing about groups boycotting or bashing Watson and the Browns.

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514. "RE: i think sitting out all of 2021 helped him immensely "
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>but I don’t see why the league would stretch this out with
>an appeal.

Because most people look at this like the league didn't care. People don't investigate the process that lead here. Whether the NFL actually cares or not, for PR purposes, it would help them to make it clear that they fought this decision and tried to get him out for a year.

>
>Also, I’m curious how many people are really upset by Watson
>right today.
>
>I think most people men AND women, have moved on.
>
>but maybe its just because I’m tired of it?

You definitely have a lot more energy for the idea that Kyler Murray might have a clause in his contract demanding he watch 4 hours of film a week.

Not
>seeing/hearing about groups boycotting or bashing Watson and
>the Browns.

It just happened.

If you are the NFL, this decision does not help you in any way. If he is suspended for the year, the only people upset are a few Browns fans and whoever is in that venn diagram overlap of Generation X black male football fans and Men's Right's Activists.

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527. "a lot more energy? how much energy are you using to post? "
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stop it fam

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519. "Don’t forget to factor in the optics/mad-ness if he reoffends."
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525. "NFL ain't gonna appeal"
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Because those same women settled with the Texans org for an undisclosed sum, and a whole bunch of NDAs.

Given the Snyder situation, I HIGHLY doubt the NFL would risk exposing another org possibly being involved in under the table sex work/solicitation just to get Watson some more games.


Y'all want your pound of ni**er flesh, but the NFL gonna have to play this one smart

  

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518. "they gonna get cooked, and then the season will start and "
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every one will move on. then he'll come back and it'll be a thing and people will move on. outrage is temporary.

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504. "Hopefully his right ACL explodes again in practice...nm"
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>

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506. "Wouldn't shed a tear if it did happen"
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507. "why?"
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510. "...because it would be hilarious."
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511. "hoping for players to have season-ending injuries is hilarious now?"
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513. "Only when they're sexual deviants who assault women."
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and don't have any business on an NFL roster

You seem to have a soft spot for rapists though, dating back to Kellen Winslow II.








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516. "okayplayer. n/m"
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531. "hoooo boy"
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>You seem to have a soft spot for rapists though, dating back
>to Kellen Winslow II.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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509. "I feel like all this fake outrage and self-righteousness is over 2 games..."
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from talking heads on ESPN. If it had been the predicted 8 games most people would be cool with it but because its 2 games less people are incredulous about it

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512. "RE: I feel like all this fake outrage and self-righteousness is over 2 g..."
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You are wrong. I think 12 games to a full season is what would have satisfied more people.

A full season was my expectation. Figured the NFL would need that to avoid PR backlash but obviously the NFLPA had other ideas.

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515. "Did you carry that same sentiment for Big Ben"
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who monster raped a woman?….and there was medical examination proof.

You’re bugging

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517. "RE: Did you carry that same sentiment for Big Ben"
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Why in the world would I support Ben Rothelisberger?

Not even really sure how to address that if you are talking me personally. I could give a fuck about Ben and wouldn't have had a problem with a year long suspension for him. Or whatever lol who cares I don't like him or the Steelers or rapists.

As far as the NFL, the PR environment for sexual assault cases against powerful men has changed. Everything about navigating a situation like this has changed from then. So, if they were to approach it the same way they did then, I would think they were idiots.

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521. "Deshaun has never been CHARGED with anything, let alone convicted..."
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these civil cases basically amount to little more than hearsay. Now obviously where there's smoke there's fire and there's an awful lot of smoke here and its obvious that he's not innocent. But the fact that not 1 grand jury thought the allegations were serious enough for a criminal charge and all of the accusers chose to go the civil case{financial) route tells you what this is all about.

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522. "RE: Deshaun has never been CHARGED with anything, let alone convicted..."
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>these civil cases basically amount to little more than
>hearsay. Now obviously where there's smoke there's fire and
>there's an awful lot of smoke here and its obvious that he's
>not innocent. But the fact that not 1 grand jury thought the
>allegations were serious enough for a criminal charge and all
>of the accusers chose to go the civil case{financial) route
>tells you what this is all about.

Really faulty analysis on many levels.


I wonder if this is the same analysis you apply to civil cases regarding police misconduct?

If a grand jury doesn't indict then it's just a money grab?

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523. "RE: Deshaun has never been CHARGED with anything, let alone convicted..."
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>>these civil cases basically amount to little more than
>>hearsay. Now obviously where there's smoke there's fire and
>>there's an awful lot of smoke here and its obvious that he's
>>not innocent. But the fact that not 1 grand jury thought the
>>allegations were serious enough for a criminal charge and
>all
>>of the accusers chose to go the civil case{financial) route
>>tells you what this is all about.
>
>Really faulty analysis on many levels.
>
>
>I wonder if this is the same analysis you apply to civil cases
>regarding police misconduct?
>
>If a grand jury doesn't indict then it's just a money grab?

Basically, that's why dumb people think Ben Crump isn't a good lawyer. He's not there to convict anyone he's there for the money.

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526. "terrible example. Most times there is video evidence with cops"
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535. "did you enjoy the cool breeze as the point soared over your head?"
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the idea is that the same fucked up criminal justice system is still the same fucked up criminal justice system, and not deserving of credibility all of the sudden

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541. "RE: terrible example. Most times there is video evidence with cops"
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LOL

I don't even know where to start...

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534. "if i didnt already know you're as dumb as a brick..."
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>But the fact that not 1 grand jury thought the
>allegations were serious enough for a criminal charge and all
>of the accusers chose to go the civil case{financial) route
>tells you what this is all about.

id think this was satire

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524. "because America prefers the noose to the gavel."
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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520. "Dan Snyder approves"
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Heard a theory IRT 6 games
The league isn't going to go hard on the penalty
Because of owners like Dan Snyder and Jerruh (less so with Jerruh, but F Dallas)
They would then have to hold Snyder to the same standard
They're not going to do that.

Also, it's interesting that dude signed a quarter of a billion dollar guaranteed contract
...and then settled with 24/25 plaintiffs...

IDK where this goes from here
25th plaintiff could proceed to trial
League could appeal and he would start the season until a retrial

Everytime you think it couldn't get carzier...SMH
$hit is shameful.

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528. "NFL appeals...here we go, fellas"
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529. "= he starts the season."
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532. "No, it doesn't..."
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..if you're referring to the clause that typically means a player can report to a team and continue activities during an appeal, that's not the case here.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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539. "you sure about that? Sports radio in Charlotte are worried"
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if its drawn out he will play against them week 1.

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542. "IT DOESN'T MATTER...(c)The Rock..."
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All kidding aside, it doesn't matter if this is drawn out. The NFLPA has until tomorrow to appeal the 6 game ban. They said from jump they would not appeal and would abide by the judge's decision. That said, after tomorrow the 6 games becomes a given. The fight is about MORE than the 6 games...will he play week 7 is the question. He's not playing week 1, yall.

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543. "Zacklee."
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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548. "again, I just heard another argument this morning that he could fight it"
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and while that is going on he can play. He would get a restraining order and have to spend some serious money but while that is happening he would be able to play.

Zeke had a 6 game suspension. He fought it was was able to play until week 10.

granted, I think Watson would want to serve whatever suspension he receives this year because he will lose a ton of money if it bleeds into the 2023 season.

but multiple sources keep saying there is a chance he could start week 1 if he decides to appeal the new suspension. He has to serve 6 games at the least but that doesn’t mean it starts week 1 if he appeals the new ruling.

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549. "but, that's the main diff between Deshaun and Zeke..."
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and even Brady with the phone....Zeke and Tom FOUGHT the initial suspension...they appealed off the rip. NFLPA/Team Watson are not fighting the 6 game suspension...they're suing over the NFL's appeal for MORE. Obviously, man, we're gonna see it all play out and none of us knows for real...but, I'd be ASTONISHED if this dude really ran out on a football field, 5 weeks this Sunday...ON 9/11!!!

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550. "I would be shocked as well but they keep floating it on sports radio"
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maybe its just for the drama but they make it sound like fighting a longer suspension in federal court would give him the opportunity to play until it was settled.

I feel like if Goodell wanted a year he should’ve gave him a year.

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530. "He is appealing back to himself"
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or to a designee that he appoints to issue a longer ban?


Good Luck with that. The NFLPA is going to sue the shit
out of the NFL…..in…..wait for it.

FEDERAL COURT.

And if he stays with the current decision, then he is really going to come
under fire for appealing in the first place.

Crazy. He gave Ben six games, who allegedly raped and brutalized
two women (one had medical proof), but six games for Deshaun is
unacceptable?












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533. "Let me lay this out for you....."
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Since you INSIST on being on this dudes nuts so hard.

Watson has two options here. Once the league hits him with a year suspension AND THEY WILL, he can ask the NFLPA to sue the league and play in 2022 if he wants to. Or he can take whatever suspension Goodell lays down from the appeal.

Because of the scummy ass contract that the Browns gave him to hide his money from a suspension though.....he may end up getting fucked even more when inevitably he has to serve a suspension in 2023 if he fights this.

If he ends up with the same 6 games in 2023 he would likely lose about 15 million. If the league wins and he has to do a year he will lose around 45 million.

You don't think Goodell and the league office want to send a message to any other team even thinking about doing this bullshit? They thought they were outsmarting the league here. They're not going for that.

So either way this is worse for Watson. He can take the year and only lose a million or fight it and lose 15 to 45. Those are his choices.

Also, go back and look at those Roethlisberger cases again. You have no idea WTF you are talking about there.

  

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536. "No"
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First of, he will not lose money, because he is set to make 46 million
dollars this year regardless. His signed a 46 million dollar signing bonus( guaranteed).
So there’s that.

His base salary for 2022 is only 1 million dollars, so if that is forfeited, that’s whatever.

Secondly, he ain’t missing any games next season. The NFLPA ain’t going to allow that.
You can kick that shit to the curb, because the NFLPA felt he shouldn’t have gotten
suspended for any games because there was no proof of misconduct. So the NFL trying
to impose a new ban isn’t going to fly. It will go to federal court if the NFL does that, and rightfully so.

And no one is on Watson’s nuts. I’m on the side of the law, the same side the Judge was
on who issued the 6 game ban, and no one should be punished for heresay of wrong doing.

Either he does 6-8 games this year, or it’s off to Federal Court where more than likely
the NFL will settle out of court….because they can’t afford a long court process, and a court
of law will see it the same way the Judge saw it.









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537. "RE: No"
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You didn't read a word I said. Go back and read it. What you responded makes no sense.

Also, the judge was under the constraints of the precedent that the league has set in handing out their punishments. In the eyes of the judge a 6 game suspension was in line with what to this point has been the punishment for a non violent sexual assault accusation. (Even though Watson has like 30). The judge did not want to be the one to break that precedent so she kicked it back to Goodell to do that if he so chooses. The CBA allows it. It's just up to the league to set a new precedent should they want to. This has nothing to do with the law. The NFL is a private enterprise. They can do whatever the hell they deem fit if they thing Watson is harming the league with his actions.

  

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538. "No. That’s not what the judge did."
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She gave him a 6 game ban because she felt that his act wasn’t egregious enough
to be given more than a 6 game ban. She told the NFL that the punishment
you are requesting doesn’t fit the crime based on the evidence and information
that was presented. However, she did feel that he displayed sexual misconduct that
was non-violent in nature, and penalized him accordingly. She just didn’t copy how
players were previously penalized.

It’s similar to something being treated as a misdemeanor as opposed to a felony. It comes
down to intent and extent of the crime and action.

This is why if the NFL tries to impose a longer ban , the nflpa will take it to federal court,
where it is no doubt in anyone’s mind that the NFLPA would win ….because the court would go off the same information as the retired federal judge.

- 2 grand juries found no evidence of rape or sexual violence
- retired judge saw no evidence of violent sexual misconduct

So your observation is incorrect.




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540. "RE: No. That’s not what the judge did."
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I'll be back when this is all said and done. LMAO.

  

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544. "LOL"
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And so will I.

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564. "Pretty the judge was looking at complaints from 4 women"
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not all 30.

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545. "this will set an interesting precedent, if you're going to suspend a guy..."
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for a whole season who was never charged with anything, what do you do with a player that is actually charged with a crime, not convicted, just charged? Does he get 2 years? kicked out of the league?

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546. "^^^ A man with some sense."
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It’s nuts.

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547. "its all based on how much damage it does to the shield"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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572. "Right. the NFLPA HAS to go hard on this one."
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Punishing somebody for an accusation is a horrible precedent to set

  

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551. "all i know is Deshaun Watson is a sexual predator."
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and, unfortunately, since he won't be properly punished, he's still a threat to women.

anyone in here sticking up for this dude in any way is wild.

  

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553. "it's weird that someone would defend him"
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if you only look at what dude has admitted to, it's beyond defensible


"yeah, I just booked massages with literally dozens of random women from instagram and a bunch of them have accused me of being a weirdo at minimum to a sexual predator at the worst"




www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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554. "i mean, this guy insisted on bringing his own towels to massages."
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now, on the surface that doesn't sound so strange, but this motherfucker was bringing hand towels or towels small enough so that he'd get hard and his dick would be guaranteed to pop out...even though all these massage therapists had sheets and shit aka stuff massage therapists normally have.

that's some of the lighter stuff as far as what he was doing.

nah, fuck this dude.

  

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556. "The most outrageous thing he allegedly did was allow his phallus"
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to rub against the arm of one of the massage therapists, and he allegedly ejaculated
on the arm of said massage therapist. Was that accidental or was it intentional?

Also, it’s not unusual for the phallus of a client to pop out while receiving a massage, or
for a massage therapist to accidentally rub her arm up against a client’s phallus. So
it all comes down to intent, and the Judge felt that Watson, who admitted to using short
towels, intentionally used short towels because he knew his phallus would pop out. So,
based on that, she felt he was guilty of sexual misconduct. But that sexual misconduct
was deemed non-violent, because there was no force or coercion involved or proof of
force of coercion.

Read her well written conclusion. It was on point.

Also there is a difference between defending a person and defending a case…..
I’m defending the case. But that’s me, I have a defense lawyer mentality….
and the case is full of he say she say.









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557. "smh."
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SMH.

i got nothing.

  

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562. "Fixed it for you:"
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>and the case is full of he say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say she say

  

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567. "b, b, b, b, but, the judge only looked at FOUR CASEZZZZ!!!!"
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570. "That is what it is, and that is the information that the Judge"
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went off of it. She went off the evidence and information that was presented
to her, and based off that evidence and information his conduct was non-violent.

Go read her conclusion.

You have any other evidence or proof?

If so , please present it.

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573. "I have common sense. You have a “defense lawyer mentality.”"
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>
>You have any other evidence or proof?
>

This message board isn’t a courtroom, and you ain’t his lawyer (well, maybe you are, now that I think about it). You can argue whatever you want, but just know that you look absolutely fucking ridiculous.

I’m perfectly comfortable taking the women’s side here. You seem perfectly comfortable thinking he accidentally ejaculated out of his “phallus” lol.

Who tf uses the word “phallus?” Lmaooooo.

  

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580. "You can’t read. "
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I don’t think that he accidentally ejaculated out of his phallus.
I was merely paraphrasing what the judge wrote in her conclusion
about him being exposed or exposing himself.

In her conclusion, she stated that clients accidentally exposing themselves while
receiving a massage, or therapists accidentally rubbing their arms or hands against
a client’s phallus is not unheard of. It does happen from time to time when
therapists are working on certain regions of the body( groin area).

So was Deshaun Watson’s phallus exposure accidental, or did
he intend for that to happen to create some type of sexual experience?

She felt that he did, since he requested the use of short towels, when longer
towels are normally used to keep a client properly covered.

But another adjudicator could see it completely the opposite, and say that doesn’t
really prove intent…and keep in mind Watson has professed his innocence
throughout the entire ordeal.

That’s all I was illustrating…




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586. "Lololol "
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You think you’re defending the case. You’ve convinced yourself that that’s what you’re doing. You aren’t. You’re defending him. You can keep trying to sound lawyerly to act like you’re not, but deep down, you know the truth. You don’t think what he did was bad. Just say that.

You exposed yourself when you tried to use a NOSE RING as evidence that a woman was untrustworthy. And that was a while ago. It’s all been downhill since then.

  

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574. "i don't give a fuck about the words the judge used to describe it."
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in MY BOOK, all sexual assualt is violent, even if no one got punched, physically restrained, etc.

someone shoots a load on my body w/out my consent? i was VIOLATED aka VIOLENCE.

some of these women quit their careers cuz of what this dude did to them.

GET ALL THE WAY THE FUCK OUTTA HERE.

  

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583. "Well, that’s your standard and belief."
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But, keep in mind, that’s not the court of law….where shit really matters.

That’s all I’m saying.

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584. "NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T. "
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COURTS/JUDGES GET SHIT WRONG ALL THE TIME.

People get away with FUCKED UP SHIT because it doesn't fit within the definition of some words on paper.

THE ONLY REASON he's only getting 6 games and not more is because the CBA is vague as fuck and the NFL is pussy, so in the context of all the transgression of players past and present, the judge could only FAIRLY give him 6 games otherwise she'd be acting wildly out of precedent which would make it easy for Deshaun and his laywers to win on appeal.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE SHOULDN'T GET MORE GAMES, OR BE KICKED OUT OF THE LEAGUE OR BE IN JAIL.

WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING THIS FUCKING LOSER?!?!? YOU SAY YOU'RE DEFENDING THE CASE. WHOSE GONNA DEFEND THE PEOPLE??! YOU THINK A 6 GAME SUSPENSION IS "JUSTICE" FOR THESE WOMEN? CUZ HE GAVE THEM SOME MONEY IT'S COOL?

FOR FUCKS SAKE DUDE.

in the words of Dr. Claw: Yes I'm mad, let's move on.

  

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595. "His phallus brushing up against the arm of a therapist and"
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ejaculating is an allegation. He has proclaimed his innocence, and the courts
found no evidence or proof that it happened, which is why he faced no
criminal charges.

Your FEELINGS have nothing to do with the law.

So we are back to square one.

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596. "i don't give a fuck if a grand jury didn't indict him."
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Sue Robinson called this dude what he is in her ruling: a predator.

you wanna start listing off horrible people grand juries failed to indict?

i'll start: Deshaun Watson.

your turn. there's plenty of people to pick from.

SMH.

  

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597. "Well, it’s quite clear that you don’t give a fock. "
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Thank you for making that even more clear.

Personally, I have no beef with you.

We just agree to disagree.

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566. "lol whut?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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568. "yikes, man"
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569. "this nigga right here def got some skeletons in the closet."
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571. "^^^and this is the world that we live in, people "
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just recklessly making up shit just to make up shit…..with
no evidence, facts or proof.

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576. "officer arrest this man!"
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587. "i've gotten a lot of massages breh. that isnt "most outrageous""
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thats outrageous as fuck

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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558. "There's a difference..."
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..btwn defending a decision made by a judge appointed by Goodell & the League/Shield and defending Watson's character.

Watson's history and personal preferences are beyond questionable/indefensible. That doesn't change the fact that this stupid league just reneged. If they wanted to suspend him, they could've done so without the additional drama.

I believe Watson has some issues that need to be addressed. At the same time, I think the league is bullshit for undermining the decision made by the judge appointed by them.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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559. "nobody is defending Deshaun at this point, we all know he's a creep..."
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I was just pointing out that it would be unprecedented for him to be suspended for an entire season with no criminal charges against him.

And before someone brings up Calvin Ridley we all know the NFL looks at things like gambling and drugs completely different because they could effect the product on the field.

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552. "Watson is delusional"
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NFL wanted a year but was willing to give him 12 games and an $8 million dollar fine.

He refused


Now he is about to get cooked for real.


What a dummy

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

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555. "No way was he paying an 8 million dollar fine! "
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There is a reason why his base salary is 1 million dollars. He just settled 23 civil lawsuits,
plus couple that with court cost and lawyer fees, so I’m sure the entire court case costed
him about 5 million dollars or more.

Not happening pal. Union ain’t letting that fly.

He isn’t going to to pay a fine more than 1 million dollars, and he isn’t
going to sit out for more than 1 year.

I’m sure the NFLPA would settle for 1/1. 1 million fine/ 1 year ban.

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560. "have yall seen any of the deposition clips floating around?"
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one came across my timeline but i cant find it to post it.

but dude was doing shit like getting a massage in houston but posting shit on social media to make people think he was somewhere else like ny at that time.

you know thats some harebrained scheme *he* thought up us an alibi if he ever got caught.

because he had no idea they got a million ways to track your actual phone location at a given time lol.

  

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561. "Corny stan coming to defend this in 3....2.....1"
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Come on man you know you want to.....lol. You know who you are.

  

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577. "No one is defending him."
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People are defending the CASE…like law enforcement did, like
2 grand juries did, like a federal judge did.

I look at his case without bias, religious belief or personal sentiment…..and I see the
case the same way law enforcement, 2 grand juries and the judge saw it.

There was nothing violent or criminal in his conduct.

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563. "heres another tweet with the clip."
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its at the very end.

https://twitter.com/prospectgrader/status/1554177472261914625

  

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575. "I don't like this guy. He's a manipulative narcissist and I hope he fail..."
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565. "alibi for authorities or alibi for his hoes? "
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because I can’t see how anyone would think they could fool authorities with as much as we know about cell phone pings in 2022.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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578. "ha.. I finally had a chance to watch the clip"
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yeah, he was clearly doing that to lie to his girlfriend.

That wasn’t some sinister play to throw off the authorities, lol

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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579. "speaking of his girl...i really wanna know how she still w/ this man."
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i mean, i'm sure she has her reasons.

i'd like to hear 'em tho.

cuz, his actions got A LOT of people eyeing her sideways.

  

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581. "Who the hell are you? "
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She doesn’t owe you an explanation, or anyone else for that matter.

So continue to look sideways, and get a crook in your neck.

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582. "lol. she don't got to explain shit to me. she don't GOTTA do anything."
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but, i wanna know.

just like you don't gotta explain why you're in here defending someone who sexually assualted multiple women.

but, i wanna know.

  

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588. "Dude has a $200mil contract lol"
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589. "i didn't see her bank statements, but it sure looked like she..."
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wasn't lacking cash before Watson.

  

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591. "don’t know her but I bet she doesn’t have $200mil guaranteed lol"
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592. "word. i'm just saying..."
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usually, when your man is making you look like a fool in the eye of the public, there eventually comes a point where the money doesn't matter to the woman (see: Ne-Yo).

like i said, she probably has her reasons. but, i am a bit surprised.

she been with other athletes before and could have her pick of some other ones, so maybe she really love this loser. i dunno.

  

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593. "women stay with cheating dudes for a lot less money lol"
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594. "that's facts."
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590. "GUARANTEED!"
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585. "Can we get another post?"
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Feels like we're just getting started
It'd be great to not have to scroll through+500 replies
ARCHIVE!!!

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