1. "Luka over Dame is questionable" In response to Reply # 0
If they ever put a games played requirement in, a few of these guys wouldn’t make it. But as it stands, there’s not much else to argue about based on what guys have done when they’ve played.
5. "For all star starter? Luka stats are better" In response to Reply # 1 Fri Feb-19-21 07:34 AM by Cenario
All star starter never really been about team success. Its about popularity and stats. Lukas numbers are gaudy...especially once you tie in last season(which lets be real, all star starter aint just about what you did this year) him getting voted in as a starter is a no brainer
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
He got all of the hype this year and then some. And while his numbers are there and Dallas is playing better now, based on the insane hype he has slightly underdelivered.
Meanwhile Dame has the numbers and his team more than maxes out. CJ and Nurkic get hurt, and he somehow keeps them winning more than expected.
13. "Pretty much...which.is why the voting numbers are expected." In response to Reply # 6
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
2. "sexton with more votes than ben" In response to Reply # 0
fans have no interest in watching a guard that can't shoot in 2021 apparently.
question. if philly had a true top-tier point guard (w/shot) would it be possible to play ben as a hybrid 4/5 with embiid? seems like that could work since one of the two can shoot.
9. "based on their play since the trade, I’d go Harden" In response to Reply # 7
Hard to vote him in when he pulled that shit on Houston this year though. He basically sabotaged himself/his team to force a trade, so he doesn’t deserve anything IMO.
11. "Isn't this based purely on fan votes?" In response to Reply # 0
If so, what is there to debate?
There's more room to debate with the reserves IMO since that is based mainly on who the All Star coaches pick, which more than likely will result in snubs.
The only interesting aspect to the named teams is that LeBron was pretty vocal is not wanting to play in the All Star game, yet he's the captain of the West team. I have to think he's less incline to wanting to play with AD having to sit for the regular season.
"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.
17. "Everyone needs to chill." In response to Reply # 0
Booker is going to get in. AD is out and injured, and his team is top 2 in the West/they won a damn chip last year. It's a gesture if nothing else. Booker was honestly the move over CP3 but Booker's going to be an all star, obviously.
19. "I saw a stat where Vuc was the leader in FGM this season." In response to Reply # 18
That's no longer the case. But he sits in 7th (11 behind first) and everyone in front of him is an all star - Bron, Giannis, Zach, Jokic, Beal, Curry. For what it's worth, the next 5 after him are also all stars - Doncic, Zion, Jaylen Brown, Dame, Randle.
Not saying it's the right call - but I get it at least.
26. "Sabonis' team is 4th, Vuc's team is 12th, that used to make a difference" In response to Reply # 23
>Vucevic is 24/11 > >Sabonis is 21/11 > >Right call. Sabonis is avg 2 more assists than Vucevic. > >Vucevic is slightly better....so no snub either way. > >Plus Vucevic is doing it playing with less talented players.
>Right. It does. > >Vucevic is seeing double teams and zone walls, but still >getting numbers. > >Sabonis has Brogdon,lamb, turner. Other players who can >score, preventing double teams. > >That matters to. > >Indiana an still win without Sabonis.
29. "This is an enduring myth that doesn't hold water" In response to Reply # 26
The idea that "teams record used to matter" is revisionist. Players from teams with lousy records have always been all-star reserves. Just looking at games from the '80s, players like Michael Ray Richardson, Bernard King, Reggie Theus, Larry Nance, Norm Nixon, and Marques Johnson all got named to all-stars teams during years when their teams weren't very good at all.
37. "right its a factor but not an end all be all" In response to Reply # 29
Especially when you have a voting systems. It matters to some more than others. Especially when you are talking about perennial all star types. Its probably a little more rare for a player to make his first all star game on a suck squad or have multiple all stars on a suck squad.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
22. "let's see if my memory is correct" In response to Reply # 21
in terms of top tier Western Conference point guards that were active while Conley was in his prime in Memphis: Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams, Steph Curry, Damian Lillard, and Tony Parker.
Is that list accurate? I have a feeling Curry's prime started after Conley was in his prime in Memphis, but I'm too lazy to check.
Assuming that list is accurate, how many folks on that list are Conley better than? In addition, wasn't Conley also hurt a ton while he was in Memphis? That had to hurt his chances of being an All-Star.
"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.
25. "RE: let's see if my memory is correct" In response to Reply # 22
>in terms of top tier Western Conference point guards that >were active while Conley was in his prime in Memphis: Chris >Paul, Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams, Steph Curry, Damian >Lillard, and Tony Parker.
I'd take Conley over Williams but I don't think the gap between them is that big. I just checked and Williams was a 3 time all star.
>Assuming that list is accurate, how many folks on that list >are Conley better than? In addition, wasn't Conley also hurt a >ton while he was in Memphis? That had to hurt his chances of >being an All-Star.
According to wiki, he only missed 36 games in his 12 years in Memphis.
That list of guys is definitely tough to break through but I'm still surprised that he hasn't at least made one all star team.
28. "His best years he was 20 and 6...that only happened twice" In response to Reply # 25
once Marc Gasol got the nod. the other time MEmphis sucked. That coupled with all the great guards in the West (especially PGs) I can't say he was ever "deserving". Solid career though probably one of the best to never make it.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
36. "RE: let's see if my memory is correct" In response to Reply # 25
> I'd take Conley over Williams but I don't think the gap >between them is that big. I just checked and Williams was a 3 >time all star.
you must be young, that was during the time when Deron BETTER was actually a conversation and that was in comparison to CP3 who was being hailed as the point-god of the entire leage
40. "Deron was good...but deron better wasn't a real conversation lolol" In response to Reply # 36
good times though.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
>in terms of top tier Western Conference point guards that >were active while Conley was in his prime in Memphis: Chris >Paul, Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams, Steph Curry, Damian >Lillard, and Tony Parker. > >Is that list accurate? I have a feeling Curry's prime started >after Conley was in his prime in Memphis, but I'm too lazy to >check. > >Assuming that list is accurate, how many folks on that list >are Conley better than? In addition, wasn't Conley also hurt a >ton while he was in Memphis? That had to hurt his chances of >being an All-Star.
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