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allStah
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"Land of Undefeated Champions"


          

In PRO sports, to go undefeated is a very rare achievement. It is only achieved
by the greatest of greats. It is the epitome of excellence, because it showcases
pure dominance of one’s profession. It’s not built from luck or chance, no nepotism
or favoritism.

If you know of any other undefeated champions in the sports world, please
list them


PBF
Andre Ward
Joe Calzaghe
Michael Jordan
Joe Montana.
Arsenal
Miami Dolphins



HIS NAME IS MASON MOUNT
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LOL this is dumb
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I forgot about those cowboys.
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I don't remember seeing this so let's keep going.
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      RE: I don't remember seeing this so let's keep going.
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RE: Land of Undefeated Champions
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Right? This post makes no sense.
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3 or more championships.
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LOL you outlined exactly none of these qualifiers in the OP.
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RE: LOL you outlined exactly none of these qualifiers in the OP.
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RE: 3 or more championships.
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      RE: 3 or more championships.
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           Ah cool another rule you just came up with, got it.
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                RE: Ah cool another rule you just came up with, got it.
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                     But Joe Montana lost after becoming a champion
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                          Joe Montana never lost a Super Bowl.
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                               LMFAO
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Haha that's exactly right.
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LOL right. It's so dumb.
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Capello's Invincibles >>> Arsenal
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RE: Capello's Invincibles >>> Arsenal
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      Where's the smoking gun?
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           Im not questioning the talent or ability.
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Marciano and Mayweather
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Have to have at least 3 championships.
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RE: Marciano and Mayweather
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L
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Patrick Kane? David Ortiz?
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RE: Patrick Kane? David Ortiz?
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Shannon Sharpe, Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice
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Tom Brady Champion Of Living in Your Brain Rent Free (GOAT)
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Used to be a point of pride for Niner fans
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1. "LOL this is dumb"
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losing before the finals does not make you better but fine I'll add on, assume criteria has to be at least 3 finals/SBs?

Terry Bradshaw 4-0
Troy Aikman 3-0
Scottie Pippen 6-0
Robert Horry 7-0
Steve Kerr 5-0
George Mikan 5-0
John Havlicek 8-0
Ron Harper 5-0


I might be missing some more GOATs.


  

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allStah
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2. "I forgot about those cowboys."
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Mon Feb-15-21 12:34 PM by allStah

          

Good list.

Horry as well.

KC Jones

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11. "I don't remember seeing this so let's keep going."
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>assume criteria has to be at least 3 finals/SBs?

These men went undefeated and are therefore the greatest of greats, the epitome of excellence and dominated their profession unlike losers like Dan Marino, Donovan McNabb, Fran Tarkenton, John Elway, etc.

Ken Stabler 1-0
Jeff Hostetler 1-0
Mark Rypien 1-0
Trent Dilfer 1-0
Brad Johnson 1-0
Eli Manning 2-0

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allStah
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18. "RE: I don't remember seeing this so let's keep going."
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I’m sorry if I wasn’t more specific. He hit it dead on the nail, because 3 or more
championships equal dynasty.

So those players do not apply.

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3. "RE: Land of Undefeated Champions"
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I see the 72 dolphins. Maybe some of these other folks had full on undefeated seasons. Or even like Comets situation where they started the WNBA with 4 titles.

Besides that, losing before the finals is still losing. Ignoring that is willful ignorance. I know it’s 2021 and being knowingly and absurdly wrong about stuff in Murrica has been normalized but c’mon now.

>In PRO sports, to go undefeated is a very rare achievement.
>It is only achieved
>by the greatest of greats. It is the epitome of excellence,
>because it showcases
>pure dominance of one’s profession. It’s not built from
>luck or chance, no nepotism
>or favoritism.
>
>If you know of any other undefeated champions in the sports
>world, please
>list them
>
>
>PBF
>Andre Ward
>Joe Calzaghe
>Michael Jordan
>Joe Montana.
>Arsenal
>Miami Dolphins
>
>
>
>

  

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5. "Right? This post makes no sense."
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Mon Feb-15-21 04:06 PM by Oak27

  

          

>Besides that, losing before the finals is still losing.
>Ignoring that is willful ignorance. I know it’s 2021 and
>being knowingly and absurdly wrong about stuff in Murrica has
>been normalized but c’mon now.

The list itself contains several different definitions of undefeated itself. Some are people who never lost a game/match/fight in their career, a few are teams with an undefeated season, and then there are players who never lost a title game/series, even though they lost before the finals more times than not and even in their title seasons lost multiple times throughout the regular season (as well as games in the playoffs/finals for MJ).

So I guess Aaron Rodgers belongs in the "Land of Undefeated Champions" because one year he took a 10-6 team to the Super Bowl and won, while never getting back. Or Eli for going 2-0 in the SB with 10-6 and 9-7 squads.

Brady winning really made this dude furious, illogical and even more wrong than usual.

  

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7. "3 or more championships."
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Mon Feb-15-21 04:47 PM by allStah

          

Rodgers is not eligible.

Jordan applies, because he came back in the last part of the season when he didn’t
get back to the finals, so it wasn’t a full season.

Other than that, he was undefeated in the finals and playoff series for six straight playing years.


Also there are multiple definitions:

Players and teams who never lost a championship with at least 3 championship
wins.

A pro team that went undefeated for a full season.

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10. "LOL you outlined exactly none of these qualifiers in the OP."
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As if these arbitrary, nonsense qualifiers are universally known haha.


>Rodgers is not eligible.
>
>Jordan applies, because he came back in the last part of the
>season when he didn’t
>get back to the finals, so it wasn’t a full season.
>
>Other than that, he was undefeated in the finals and playoff
>series for six straight playing years.
>
>
>Also there are multiple definitions:
>
>Players and teams who never lost a championship with at least
>3 championship
>wins.
>
>A pro team that went undefeated for a full season.

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13. "RE: LOL you outlined exactly none of these qualifiers in the OP."
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Sorry, sir. I’m not here to talk about cheaters or people who support
racist leaders.

Please talk about the subject at hand or leave the thread.

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16. "RE: 3 or more championships."
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>Other than that, he was undefeated in the finals and playoff
>series for six straight playing years.

Ah so we're ignoring the years before that where he got repeatedly bounced in the first round before Scottie came to town. Now I understand.

  

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19. "RE: 3 or more championships."
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It’s about being undefeated after becoming a champion....
never losing a championship....being undefeated on a championship
platform.

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20. "Ah cool another rule you just came up with, got it."
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21. "RE: Ah cool another rule you just came up with, got it."
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It’s not a rule I just came up with.

It’s the narrative that’s always used...Joe Montana and Michael Jordan are undefeated.
They never lost a super bowl game or a NBA finals.

To be that top athlete, you can’t have any knocks against you....it means the conquer of all.

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25. "But Joe Montana lost after becoming a champion"
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According to your new rule ("It’s about being undefeated after becoming a champion" -Reply 19) Joe Montana doesn't make the cut. He won the SB for the 1981 season then proceeded to lose 5 of the next 6 seasons. Wow! What a loser, right!??!

  

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26. "Joe Montana never lost a Super Bowl."
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That shit matters. He can say that he is undefeated in championship games.

That’s why people bring it up. Montana is 4-0. Jordan is 6-0.

You can’t be a goat when other people have used you as a door mat to win a
super bowl and get into the hall of fame.

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27. "LMFAO"
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>
>You can’t be a goat when other people have used you as a
>door mat to win a
>super bowl and get into the hall of fame.

But when other people can say they beat you EARLIER in the playoffs, that means nothing??? This line of thinking makes no sense.

  

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>Brady winning really made this dude furious, illogical and
>even more wrong than usual.

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8. "LOL right. It's so dumb."
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>Besides that, losing before the finals is still losing.
>Ignoring that is willful ignorance. I know it’s 2021 and
>being knowingly and absurdly wrong about stuff in Murrica has
>been normalized but c’mon now.

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4. "Capello's Invincibles >>> Arsenal"
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Not to take anything away from Thierry, Patrick, Dennis, etc.

But c'mon.

https://www.internationalchampionscup.com/legendary-teams-capellos-ac-milan-invincibles-set-a-new-standard-in-serie-a-and-europe

You could actually probably pick the best team - ymmv - out of those late 80's/early 90's Sacchi/Capello squads and have an incredibly strong candidate for best club side of all time.

  

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12. "RE: Capello's Invincibles >>> Arsenal"
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I don’t know, man.....Too many cheating and fixed matches in Italy.

It is hard to accept any of that shit. Just saying.






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22. "Where's the smoking gun?"
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For serious, I'm all eyes and all ears if you have one regarding this squad specifically.

Because otherwise, Capello's Milan is the gold standard for the premise of this post. Arsenal was more recent and done in the EPL, so naturally, people will think of them first. But Milan won a higher % of their games, had a better goal differential, and most importantly bossed a Serie A that was in the midst of its run as arguably the GOAT league - and certainly a much stronger one than the EPL in '04. They would also probably roll Arsenal if they lined up, which is crazy because that Gunners side was INCREDIBLE.

  

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23. "Im not questioning the talent or ability."
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Or even the achievement.

I’m question the league. I didn’t follow Serie A in 80s or 90s, so I’m going of what
I know of Serie A now. They could very well be the gold standard.

I’m just saying Italy has a history of match fixing, and the soccer , as of now,
is of a lower standard.

I can only take your word, so if you say so, cool.

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6. "Marciano and Mayweather"
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Granted Rocky beat a lot of Jabronis in local fights for the majority of his career, but it counts. He retired champ!

Nice shoehorning of Jordan and Montana into the discussion. I ask again.... why does losing earlier in the playoffs not count? Should we throw Brees and Rodgers on this list?

  

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14. "Have to have at least 3 championships."
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I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear. At least 3 championships is needed to be considered a dynasty within an era, it’s based off that criteria.

Don’t forget Ward and Calzahge.

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17. "RE: Marciano and Mayweather"
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Also, I would like to add. Think of it as 2 levels

1. Those teams and players who ran the table as being undefeated for a season
or a career.


2. And those who were and are undefeated in championships. They
never lost a championship that they played in, and it is more in relation
to star players or players who are/were number 1 or 2 options. Not
some bench player or short usage role player. And there must be 3 or more
championship appearances in a single era.

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15. "L"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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24. "Patrick Kane? David Ortiz? "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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28. "RE: Patrick Kane? David Ortiz? "
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Oh shit! Good call on Kane, bro. Beast like a mofo in those finals.

Damn those were good times, and I’m not even a hockey guy. But I watched those games.

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29. "Shannon Sharpe, Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice"
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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30. "Tom Brady Champion Of Living in Your Brain Rent Free (GOAT)"
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31. "Used to be a point of pride for Niner fans "
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Whole new generation of fans only knows losing SBs now though

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