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Nodima
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"Tiger (HBO Max, Hamachek/Heineman/Gibney, 2021)"


  

          

Part 1 aired this past Sunday and Part 2 airs next Sunday, and I thought I'd be surprised there wasn't a thread about it but after watching, I really feel like this is missing a lot without Tiger himself involved. Granted it means we get some honest portrayals of all the people around him, but it also means, especially in Part 1, that we get a lot of people projecting their hopes and fears onto him while the archival footage doesn't always do a great job of revealing how much of Tiger in the public was a performance vs. his honest thoughts.

Kinda hard to tell how much of that feeling is a hangover from The Last Dance, I guess. Part 1 otherwise is brisk and as somebody who's not at all interested in golf I can say all that old footage of Tiger had the same effect as The Last Dance of transporting me back to that time when it seemed like phenoms were popping up everywhere: Garnett, Kobe, Griffey, Federer, Manning, Tiger. It's wild how much of this story I knew just from watching SportsCenter every night after homework.

...But that's another knock on the doc too, and I think without whatever Rachel Uchitel is gonna say in Part 2, the whole thing does just feel a little salacious and unnecessary - like an HBO Max thing, not an HBO thing. The most engaging part of Part 1 is arguably when his dad's old golfing buddy goes all performance art on he and Earl's philandering - great TV, but we all knew that story, right?

Anybody else hoping for a little bit more out of this or am I being a little too hard on a doc that was always gonna be difficult to mine new information out of?


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after the feedback im not sure if i want to watch this
Jan 12th 2021
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I've seen better work from Golf Channel
Jan 12th 2021
2
Yeah it is not great
Jan 13th 2021
3
especially fucked up how they shitted on his dad's name-
Jan 19th 2021
8
this shit had the tone of a true crime doc.
Jan 13th 2021
4
The doc is the epitome of the media wanting the downfall
Jan 14th 2021
5
The story will never be told until he tells it
Jan 19th 2021
9
2nd part was much better.
Jan 19th 2021
6
Still came off like a TMZ special
Jan 19th 2021
7
      I was laughing so hard
Jan 20th 2021
12
           I can't believe Neal Boulton was in this!
Jan 22nd 2021
14
Honest question: is Tiger even interesting?
Jan 19th 2021
10
RE: Honest question: did you watch the doc?
Jan 20th 2021
11
      this is one of the few things you've ever said that I agree with
Jan 21st 2021
13
woods isn't happy about documentary-not hard to see why (link)
Jan 22nd 2021
15

BrooklynWHAT
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1. "after the feedback im not sure if i want to watch this"
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it sounds like they OD'd on all the negative salacious shit instead of giving you a full picture of Tiger

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Ceej
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Tue Jan-12-21 03:02 PM

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2. "I've seen better work from Golf Channel"
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This is a hack.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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josephmurf2384
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Wed Jan-13-21 01:33 PM

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3. "Yeah it is not great"
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Interviews with like 3-4 people and apparently really contrived around 8 hours worth of interviews with Uchitel. I have a feeling part 2 is going to be i naive and in love, stuff like that.

  

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kinetic94761180
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Tue Jan-19-21 12:31 PM

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8. "especially fucked up how they shitted on his dad's name-"
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Reeq
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Wed Jan-13-21 08:24 PM

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4. "this shit had the tone of a true crime doc."
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like they were covering a serial killer or something.

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bentagain
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Thu Jan-14-21 07:59 AM

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5. "The doc is the epitome of the media wanting the downfall "
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They build you up to tear you down...

Honestly, I didn’t know much about Tiger outside of golf

and as someone that doesn’t watch golf, I thought the doc did a great job of capturing his impact as a celebrity

I remember a lot of those shots and moments on the green

It definitely has a tabloid element

I could do without the ominous background music throughout the whole episode

We know where we’re going on this ride

Honestly though, I didn’t know much about his personal life prior to the downfall

The late night talk show appearances as a toddler didn’t hit me as possibly damaging
I didn’t know anything about his Dad
He always seemed so unaffected by it all...actually seeing him being mobbed like that was f’n frightening

I thought they did a great job of setting up part 2

It’s painful to watch, because we all know where we’re going...I’m not sure how you start off differently without it looking like a fluff piece

A bit of a tabloid feeling because it’s all testimony from peripheral figures in his life...

But I’m sure people close to him don’t want to participate in something involving Uchitel

It’s a horror story about American celebrity...how do you tell it differently?

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bentagain
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9. "The story will never be told until he tells it "
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They tried though

I still don’t feel like I know what happened with the car accident

...doesn’t matter...

Unless it’s coming from him, it’s always going to feel like an angle

I’d be in for a series in his own words

Piecing together still photographs, broadcast clips and other people’s opinion/perspective...still leaves a gap in the story

Tiger.

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Reeq
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6. "2nd part was much better."
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idk why there was such an imbalance between parts 1 and 2.

but i think since his personal life was so boring (relatively) pre-scandal...they tried to drag out as much suspense and intrigue from that part of his life in the 1st part. and it came across as thin and contrived. the dark/foreboding music was way too heavy handed too.

on the other side...there was so much substantive material to stuff into part 2 that all they had to really do was just lay it out as it happened and it was compelling enough.

im surprised they left the 'hey its tiger' voicemail out of there tho. that became a meme in itself.

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7. "Still came off like a TMZ special"
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Good luck ever getting Tiger to participate with anything for HBO again.

Best part of the whole thing:

"The fuck you do." ~ Armen Keteyian

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las raises
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12. "I was laughing so hard"
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And clicked rewind just for this part


>Best part of the whole thing:
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>"The fuck you do." ~ Armen Keteyian

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Nodima
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14. "I can't believe Neal Boulton was in this!"
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Gawker used to roast that dude bi-monthly a decade ago...


Now he's wearing bowties with the H•A•T•E finger tattoo but NOT the L•O•V•E and looking like a baseball writer from the 1930s?


LOL perfect casting


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ternary_star
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10. "Honest question: is Tiger even interesting?"
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I think it's a true testament to his skill that he's as popular as he is, cuz dude has the personality of a retired insurance adjuster.

Other legends like Jordan, Gretzky, Rice were just effortlessly cool as fuck on and off the field, but I can't imagine Tiger sustaining a multi-part doc.

  

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bentagain
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11. "RE: Honest question: did you watch the doc?"
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Because that’s kind of the whole point

His father contrived and cultivated Tiger’s entire public image

We have no idea who he really is...and even Tiger is probably still searching for that

Pretty cool af watching a black man in a red shirt killin’ crackers at their own game...IMO

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13. "this is one of the few things you've ever said that I agree with"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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kinetic94761180
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15. "woods isn't happy about documentary-not hard to see why (link)"
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https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/tiger-woods-isnt-happy-documentary-172658048.html

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