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ThaTruth
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"Top 10 NBA players under 25?"


          

during yesterday's broadcast they highlighted these 5 guys that were in the playoffs as a sign that the league was in good hands...

Doncic
Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Mitchell
Murray

Shai will have to come up big tonight for OKC to advance...

even though they didn't make the playoffs most people would put Booker and Tre Young in that group....

the top rookies this year Ja & Zion have to be on list...

How would you rank them all 1-10? Who would you add? Who's spot would they take?

A lot of people have Doncic as an MVP candidate already but will his team be good enough for that?

Tatum and Brown are set up for a deep run in the playoffs that could raise their profile even more...

Will we see Mitchell and Murray duel for years to come?

It seems like its become popular for people to say players need to leave when their team isn't successful right away instead of letting them grow with their team. MJ and the Bulls weren't a championship team from day 1...

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Ingram has to be on the list
Sep 02nd 2020
1
so who are you taking off? Is he better than Shai?
Sep 02nd 2020
2
      Right now he’s better than Zion
Sep 02nd 2020
3
      Forgot about Simmons he’s definitely in there...
Sep 02nd 2020
4
      I think Ingram does a little more than Brown but it’s close
Sep 02nd 2020
5
           Who do you think is the better defender?
Sep 02nd 2020
8
                seems close to me?
Sep 02nd 2020
15
      Yep, Simmons
Sep 02nd 2020
7
      That's....obvious, isn't it?
Sep 02nd 2020
6
           Is it? I honestly don’t know I hadn’t really watched Shai before...
Sep 02nd 2020
9
                You watched the Lakers.
Sep 02nd 2020
10
                You didn't answer the second question.
Sep 02nd 2020
11
                     I didn't think that was necessary but sure.
Sep 02nd 2020
17
                          Ok I’m not arguing just asking, like I said Shai is kinda new to me...
Sep 02nd 2020
18
                          Yes, he's better without.
Sep 02nd 2020
22
                          You don’t think he’s a top 2 piece on OKC?
Sep 02nd 2020
20
                          Yeah, I see what’ s going on here.
Sep 02nd 2020
21
                               Yes, Ryan, the famous Duke lover.
Sep 03rd 2020
24
                                    It’s called abbreviation
Sep 03rd 2020
28
                                         Kentucky is UK, Kansas is KU
Sep 03rd 2020
29
                                              Truly can’t even with him.
Sep 03rd 2020
31
                                                   Lmao
Sep 03rd 2020
32
                RE: Is it? I honestly don’t know I hadn’t really watched Shai before...
Sep 02nd 2020
13
*looks at list, does not see a certain guy*
Sep 02nd 2020
12
Booker is mentioned...
Sep 02nd 2020
14
Lol. All that because you didn’t past the first 5 he listed?
Sep 02nd 2020
16
      RE: Lol. All that because you didn’t past the first 5 he listed?
Sep 02nd 2020
19
Fuck this is tough
Sep 02nd 2020
23
Right today i would put Murray above Brown
Sep 03rd 2020
25
RE: Right today i would put Murray above Brown
Sep 03rd 2020
27
      right people ignore defense, there's a reason Brown's team is up 2-0...
Sep 03rd 2020
30
      Pretty much, but I debated 5-8 for a long while
Sep 03rd 2020
33
right shit is hard, thanks for taking the challenge and making a list...
Sep 03rd 2020
26
My attempt at rankings:
Sep 03rd 2020
34
damn I forgot about KAT
Sep 03rd 2020
35
      RE: damn I forgot about KAT
Sep 03rd 2020
36
           Forgot Trae
Sep 03rd 2020
38
No particular order
Sep 03rd 2020
37
No Towns and not because you forgot.....lol
Sep 03rd 2020
39
      RE: No Towns and not because you forgot.....lol
Sep 03rd 2020
41
Nikola Jokic is still 25
Sep 03rd 2020
40
I specifically said UNDER 25 to narrow it down some...
Sep 03rd 2020
42
      ALRIGHT IM SORRY
Sep 03rd 2020
43
           RE: ALRIGHT IM SORRY
Sep 03rd 2020
44
With improved defense and ballhandling MPJ could definitely be in this.....
Sep 07th 2020
45

DJR
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1. "Ingram has to be on the list "
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2. "so who are you taking off? Is he better than Shai?"
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Wed Sep-02-20 03:58 PM by ThaTruth

          

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3. "Right now he’s better than Zion"
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and yeah, I’d say Shai and Brown too.

Simmons has to be in there too IMO.

Edit: Towns too!?

  

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4. "Forgot about Simmons he’s definitely in there..."
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You think Ingram is better than Jaylen Brown?

>and yeah, I’d say Shai and Brown too.
>
>Simmons has to be in there too IMO.

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5. "I think Ingram does a little more than Brown but it’s close"
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Ingram a better passer and ball handler. Everything else is roughly even.

  

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8. "Who do you think is the better defender?"
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>Ingram a better passer and ball handler. Everything else is
>roughly even.

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15. "seems close to me?"
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Brown seems to have a better rep on that end. Not sure if it’s justified or not. They both seem pretty good there to me.

  

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7. "Yep, Simmons"
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6. "That's....obvious, isn't it?"
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He was an all star. Shai wasn't. That's pretty cut and dry.

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9. "Is it? I honestly don’t know I hadn’t really watched Shai before..."
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these playoffs. I know Houston is kind of going at him defensively.

>He was an all star. Shai wasn't. That's pretty cut and dry.

Shai was the leading scorer on a team with a better record. To me that means something on a lot of nights Ingram was just gunning. Can he be the leading scorer on a team with a winning record?

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10. "You watched the Lakers."
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You know how good BI is.

Shai is great, no question. But he's not the guy yet. BI is way, way closer to Jason Tatum than he is someone like Shai.

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11. "You didn't answer the second question."
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17. "I didn't think that was necessary but sure."
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You know all that talk happening right now of Chris Paul being the best leader in the NBA? Yeah, that.

All hyperbole, upside, and potential aside - do you seriously think that the Pels have a better roster right today than the Thunder?

They don't. The Thunder are a better team - that should be obvious. Top to bottom, they are better. But in a vaccuum - if you take Shai off that team and add Ingram, do you think they're better or worse? The answer should be quite obvious. Another question - are the Pelicans better off adding Shai in place of BI? That is laughable to think about.

Shai is very good, but let's not act like he's the best piece of the Thunder. Or the 2nd best.

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18. "Ok I’m not arguing just asking, like I said Shai is kinda new to me..."
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and generally I’m suspect of guys that put up numbers on bad teams. Does Ingram put up the same numbers when Zion is 100%?

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22. "Yes, he's better without. "
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Zion only played with BI for 22 games.

But with - 21 pts, 5.1 rebs, 3.8 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.3 blocks, 3.1 TO on 44/38/83 splits

Without - 24.4 pts, 6.7 rebs, 4.4 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.8 blocks, 3.0 TO on 47/40/86 splits

But again - you could argue Zion is the most important piece for the Pels (they were near .500 with him, but it was only those 22 games). We don't know what a CP3 or Adams or Schroeder-less Thunder team looks like but BI balled the fuck out with and without Zion.

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20. "You don’t think he’s a top 2 piece on OKC?"
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I think he’s their second best player right now, and due to age, would be their best piece going forward.

Who do you have above him?

  

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21. "Yeah, I see what’ s going on here."
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You and Frank Longo should get a room together, and give birth to all the little wack ass dukies.

This is Kentucky hate, because KU players are running the NBA, just to big up wack ass Duke.

And your wack ass lakers team sent him away and y’all cosigned the shit.


  

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24. "Yes, Ryan, the famous Duke lover."
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also, lol @ referring to Kentucky as KU

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28. "It’s called abbreviation"
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Go get a room!!

  

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29. "Kentucky is UK, Kansas is KU"
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31. "Truly can’t even with him. "
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32. "Lmao "
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13. "RE: Is it? I honestly don’t know I hadn’t really watched Shai before..."
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Can he be the leading scorer on a team with a winning
>record?
>

If he had Chris Paul on his team, yeah.

  

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12. "*looks at list, does not see a certain guy*"
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Nigga goes 8-0 in the bubble

Had Kawhi and PG hanging from his ball sack for a whole game .

Dude is 23. But at the top of the list is a dude who shoots 30 percent from 3, and who is going to be white Oliver Miller fat eating those euro meat pies.

FOH

  

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14. "Booker is mentioned..."
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>Nigga goes 8-0 in the bubble

Too bad the season is more than 8 games. The teams that had clinched playoff positions treated those bubble games like preseason games

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16. "Lol. All that because you didn’t past the first 5 he listed?"
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19. "RE: Lol. All that because you didn’t past the first 5 he listed?"
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Naw....mention nothing.

He should be one of the first three listed.

  

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23. "Fuck this is tough"
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1. Doncic - Can't wait to watch the rest of this kid's career. He's the only guy on the list I could see winning the MVP next season.

2. Tatum - He's God. Last year made me nervous about his progression, but he's made up for that and then some this season. Keeps adding new skills to his aresnal and it's a joy to watch.

3. Booker - Almost want to hold off on ranking him until the Suns get good or he leaves for greener pastures, but he really is this good.

4. Mitchell - Still a question about if he can truly be "the guy" for a championship team, but he was incredible in the bubble short of that last turnover.

5. Simmons - His weakness is obvious, but it can't be overstated how good he is at nearly everything else. Maybe he just needs the right coach or be convinced into a PF role? Idk.

6. Jaylen Brown - I was 10x more nervous about his progression last year than I was Tatum's. Has stepped up significantly this season though. I kinda thought he deserved Tatum's All-Star spot. Hopefully he'll get the nod next year.

7. Trae - I'm not gonna pretend like I watch the Hawks.

8. Murray - And now I'm mad I didn't watch the Nuggets more this season. Incredible talent.

9. Ja - Love this kid. I want him to posterize everyone on this list except the Celtics.

10. Zion - If he stays healthy he could turn into #1.

  

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25. "Right today i would put Murray above Brown"
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In fact i think several guys would go ahead of him. I think Brown benefits heavily from team and coaching. Not sure we would even know who he is on a Shitty team.

  

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27. "RE: Right today i would put Murray above Brown"
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Can’t.

He is the best two way player on that list.

He is a beast defensively. Murray’s defense is complete garbage.

  

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30. "right people ignore defense, there's a reason Brown's team is up 2-0..."
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in the 2nd round vs the defending champs...

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33. "Pretty much, but I debated 5-8 for a long while"
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>Can’t.
>
>He is the best two way player on that list.
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>He is a beast defensively. Murray’s defense is complete
>garbage.
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26. "right shit is hard, thanks for taking the challenge and making a list..."
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I will soon I'm still trying to get my thoughts together lol

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34. "My attempt at rankings:"
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1. Luka
2. Towns
3. Tatum
4. Mitchell
5. Booker
6. Simmons
7. Ingram
8. Murray
9. Morant
10. Brown

  

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35. "damn I forgot about KAT"
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36. "RE: damn I forgot about KAT"
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This is nothing to remember to be honest, and at number 2?
Over Trae? Dude doesn’t even have Trae on
his list, but has Simmons, who has zero offensive ability.

And brown at ten?

  

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38. "Forgot Trae"
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He’s just numbers and highlights to me at this point - I can’t say I’ve watched a Hawks game in years, so makes it easier to forget and harder to decide where to rank him.

  

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37. "No particular order "
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Tatum
Booker
Mitchell
Brown
Murray
Doncic
Ingram
Morant
Porter Jr
Trae

  

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39. "No Towns and not because you forgot.....lol"
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41. "RE: No Towns and not because you forgot.....lol"
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Lol.

Talented, and he is from the UK ( happy now?), but needs to play harder.

Skill wise top ten for sure.

  

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40. "Nikola Jokic is still 25"
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But lists like this are, frankly, beneath him at this point

  

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42. "I specifically said UNDER 25 to narrow it down some..."
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>But lists like this are, frankly, beneath him at this point

"beneath him"? a few of these dudes are already better than him, if Murray didn't go bananas his ass would be home

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43. "ALRIGHT IM SORRY"
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About misreading the criteria, I mean. But, again, he's well beyond lists like these.

>"beneath him"? a few of these dudes are already better than
>him, if Murray didn't go bananas his ass would be home

A game 7 30/14/4 w/ a gw in a 2x DPOY's face says "you didn't think that point through very well"

Jamal was amazing.
Jokic was amazing.

We take the L in that series if *either* of them fail to do the work that they did. No need to choose.

  

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44. "RE: ALRIGHT IM SORRY"
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>About misreading the criteria, I mean. But, again, he's well
>beyond lists like these.
>
>>"beneath him"? a few of these dudes are already better than
>>him, if Murray didn't go bananas his ass would be home
>
>A game 7 30/14/4 w/ a gw in a 2x DPOY's face says "you didn't
>think that point through very well"
>
>Jamal was amazing.
>Jokic was amazing.
>
>We take the L in that series if *either* of them fail to do
>the work that they did. No need to choose.

Is he better than Luka? Some of the others are debatable but that one is not lol

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45. "With improved defense and ballhandling MPJ could definitely be in this....."
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group next year

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