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Frank Longo
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"The Bubble Boycott"


  

          

Bucks officially boycotting Game 5. No one taking the court.

Fucking incredible stuff. Wondering if other teams will follow suit.

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Celtics-Raptors were already talking about boycotting yesterday
Aug 26th 2020
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Thunder and Rockets too
Aug 26th 2020
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Shams reporting Thunder and Rockets also officially boycotting Game 5.
Aug 26th 2020
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silvers response will be interesting.
Aug 26th 2020
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season's probably over again IMO
Aug 26th 2020
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this took an incredible amount of courage
Aug 26th 2020
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      Performative may be the wrong term...
Aug 26th 2020
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      as we all know, these issues are much bigger than the players power
Aug 26th 2020
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      this is what I was trying to say...
Aug 26th 2020
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      i don't disagree w/ it taking courage
Aug 26th 2020
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           I didn't get that from his comments
Aug 26th 2020
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Seasons over, I’d think.
Aug 26th 2020
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At least they can’t twist this into it being about the troops
Aug 26th 2020
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Replace troops with police
Aug 26th 2020
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Wow...
Aug 26th 2020
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This is great and all.....
Aug 26th 2020
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Some teams want to use their arenas as voting sites. (swipe & link)
Aug 26th 2020
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Thats awesome....
Aug 26th 2020
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Voting is critical of course.
Aug 26th 2020
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      Where is the deepest cut?
Aug 26th 2020
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I hope the seasons not over, with this latest incident in Wisconsin...
Aug 26th 2020
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agreed...I think they play on after a couple of games
Aug 26th 2020
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      Really though - how?
Aug 26th 2020
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      the same reasons they played in the first place, the financial and...
Aug 26th 2020
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      Their actions will not be a one-off. They want the officer who shot
Aug 26th 2020
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      I should not have said a couple of games...
Aug 26th 2020
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           RE: I should not have said a couple of games...
Aug 26th 2020
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                lol..no doubt #cardinalnation
Aug 26th 2020
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Lakers/Blazers probable too
Aug 26th 2020
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Oh, and anyone who talked shit about Kyrie owes him a huge apology
Aug 26th 2020
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Absolutely...
Aug 26th 2020
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^^^^^^^^^^
Aug 26th 2020
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wow
Aug 26th 2020
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Also, I think the semantics matter in calling this a strike rather than....
Aug 26th 2020
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Yes, please to *strike*
Aug 26th 2020
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great points
Aug 26th 2020
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a wildcat strike no less.
Aug 26th 2020
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You're right-- I was just following the reported terminology.
Aug 27th 2020
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Brewers will not play tonight
Aug 26th 2020
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Mariners also considering not playing
Aug 26th 2020
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      cmon M's! you suck at everything else. at least win on this front.
Aug 26th 2020
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           Mariners will not play tonight
Aug 26th 2020
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Dominoes are going to fall all the way to Gooddell's feet.
Aug 26th 2020
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I cannot believe that fucking guy said, "I was unaware of the racial pro...
Aug 26th 2020
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      i can't believe him. if he admitted he just didnt care at the time
Aug 26th 2020
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           man!! I hate Bomani was out for the week...
Aug 26th 2020
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           I’d be surprised if Bo doesn’t tap in tomorrow for an episode
Aug 26th 2020
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           truth
Aug 26th 2020
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Kenny Smith walked off the set of Inside The NBA.
Aug 26th 2020
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Kenny walked off of the nba on tnt set in support
Aug 26th 2020
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C Webb is spitting.
Aug 26th 2020
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stan van gundy is a1. good follow on twitter too.
Aug 26th 2020
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he absolutely is....
Aug 26th 2020
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i came to really appreciate him as Pistons coach
Aug 26th 2020
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I think they should finish the season and continue to use the bubble
Aug 26th 2020
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Dexter Fowler removes himself from Cards lineup, this evening
Aug 26th 2020
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I love the stance itself and how MAD white folks in STL will be lol
Aug 26th 2020
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      and you know they're seething... probably some of his own teammates
Aug 26th 2020
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on the anniversary of kaep first protest-
Aug 26th 2020
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Props to the League. Leadership on all levels.
Aug 26th 2020
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Shams: Every team besides Lakers/Clippers voted to continue playing.
Aug 26th 2020
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WOW
Aug 26th 2020
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So Mavs & Blazers advance by default?
Aug 26th 2020
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I mean, the league has to call the season, right?
Aug 26th 2020
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RE: I mean, the league has to call the season, right?
Aug 27th 2020
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all facts...
Aug 27th 2020
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It sounds like the Lakers and clippers vote may have been overstated
Aug 27th 2020
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RE: Let's ignore that it's the two teams from the biggest remaining mark...
Aug 27th 2020
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Apparently the owners are on notice now. Good.
Aug 26th 2020
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The most powerful thing an athlete can do...
Aug 27th 2020
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Because actions speak louder than words
Aug 27th 2020
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Lebron doesn't need more attention. He draws attention.
Aug 27th 2020
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Think of it as a strike, not a boycott. They could drive the owners
Aug 27th 2020
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Yep. it is an actual wildcat strike
Aug 27th 2020
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Exactly!
Aug 27th 2020
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But Ali went to prison rather than go to Vietnam
Aug 27th 2020
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LeBron is already at the Ali level of fame
Aug 27th 2020
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nah, right now on sports networks the talk is 50% why the players aren't
Aug 27th 2020
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is this an alternate history on Muhammad Ali?
Aug 27th 2020
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Mark Spears calling out owners, directly
Aug 27th 2020
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https://twitter.com/PatBradley_/status/1298842767456600069?s=20
Aug 27th 2020
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young man is impressive
Aug 27th 2020
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i don't know how ya'll dudes put up with stephen a smh
Aug 27th 2020
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RE: i don't know how ya'll dudes put up with stephen a smh
Aug 27th 2020
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I definitely have to mute him lol, Max is pretty annoying too although.....
Aug 27th 2020
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      I never liked stephen A. I dislike him even more when he's talking about
Aug 27th 2020
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      at least max is consistent.
Aug 27th 2020
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           Max is clueless about sports other than boxing.
Aug 27th 2020
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Woj: Playoffs to resume.
Aug 27th 2020
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emotions are high but there's a lot of money on the table, Chris Paul...
Aug 27th 2020
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      not to mention a 15-35% drop in the cap that would happen
Aug 27th 2020
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      The effect on the CBA could have been upwards of -35%
Aug 27th 2020
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This is powerful, because now black football players are addressing
Aug 27th 2020
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Direct action gets the goods.
Aug 27th 2020
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a few things to keep in mind...
Aug 27th 2020
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I am SOOOOO proud of these guys
Aug 27th 2020
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so the commissioner told them niggas get back on the court.
Aug 27th 2020
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I think I'm in this camp on that:
Aug 27th 2020
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yep...
Aug 27th 2020
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Even with the about-face, I think the message was sent
Aug 27th 2020
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With 20-30 Billion a year on NBA betting. I think Vegas had a say too.
Aug 27th 2020
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The fact that there hasn’t been a response or statement issued
Aug 27th 2020
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nhl suspends 2 nights of playoff games.
Aug 27th 2020
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wonder if nhl players get called spoiled/priveledged by twitter MAGAts
Aug 27th 2020
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      just looked on Twitter...
Aug 27th 2020
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           "NHL bowing down to the left" <--- this is what I expected
Aug 27th 2020
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I don't get the platform argument for coming back?
Aug 27th 2020
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I don’t think it was ever meant to be a boycott or a strike...
Aug 27th 2020
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see reply 106
Aug 27th 2020
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RE: I don't get the platform argument for coming back?
Aug 27th 2020
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Outside of fans of the franchise that does win
Aug 27th 2020
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Lol what?
Aug 28th 2020
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      ^^^^^^
Aug 28th 2020
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      *shortened season
Aug 28th 2020
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      And???
Aug 28th 2020
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      I don’t think anyone is going to elevate this season
Aug 28th 2020
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its easy to comment on the sidelines when YOUR families...
Aug 27th 2020
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This is where I’m at. The Negro league was its own league, and even
Aug 27th 2020
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      Seen
Aug 27th 2020
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      RE: Seen
Aug 27th 2020
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      as far as "Big 3" Icecube has a jewish lawyer tight with Steve Bannon...
Aug 28th 2020
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      RE: as far as "Big 3" Icecube has a jewish lawyer tight with Steve Banno...
Aug 28th 2020
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      really weird inclusion of the lawyer's religion there
Aug 28th 2020
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      that same lawyer was part of kaepernick's legal defense team
Aug 28th 2020
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      For why tho?
Aug 28th 2020
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Pat Bev...
Aug 28th 2020
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idiot
Aug 28th 2020
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typical dickhead Bev.
Aug 28th 2020
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dudes like him are the reason why "players forming their own league"...
Aug 28th 2020
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fucking stupid.
Aug 28th 2020
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Lebron James is showing his arrogance and conceit during this whole
Aug 28th 2020
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are you in the bubble?
Aug 28th 2020
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This story says different
Aug 28th 2020
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lol you couldn’t be further off
Aug 28th 2020
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      Wait, THE allstah is wrong on something? Shocked I tell you!
Aug 28th 2020
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      RE: Wait, THE allstah is wrong on something? Shocked I tell you!
Aug 28th 2020
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      RE: lol you couldn’t be further off
Aug 28th 2020
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           who is "they"? you're rattling off shit like you were in the room lol
Aug 28th 2020
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                RE: who is &amp;quot;they&amp;quot;? you're rattling off shit like you w...
Aug 28th 2020
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                     Stephen A. talking out of his ass like normal lol
Aug 28th 2020
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                          RE: Stephen A. talking out of his ass like normal lol
Aug 28th 2020
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                               if you read the story above...
Aug 28th 2020
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                                    RE: if you read the story above...
Aug 28th 2020
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                                         but I'm addressing the part about people's reaction to the Bucks,
Aug 28th 2020
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                                              RE: but I'm addressing the part about people's reaction to the Bucks,
Aug 28th 2020
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                                                   dude...
Aug 28th 2020
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                                                        RE: dude...
Aug 28th 2020
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Also, what’s not being discussed is that the Boston Celtics and Raptor...
Aug 28th 2020
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like I said before emotions are high but there's a lot of money on the.....
Aug 28th 2020
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draymond green bout to get his van jones on.
Aug 28th 2020
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LeBron James, More Sought Barack Obama's Advice During NBA Protests:
Aug 28th 2020
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Sources: Michael Jordan voice of reason during NBA owners meeting
Aug 28th 2020
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Brian Urlacher reveals himself...
Aug 29th 2020
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analogies are not his thing
Aug 29th 2020
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Hearing the owners agreed to use stadiums for voting
Aug 29th 2020
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The Magic don’t have far to go.
Aug 29th 2020
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Snoop is getting that Corona money
Aug 29th 2020
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Melo and CJ are cooking, Lakers defensive intensity is flat
Aug 29th 2020
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best duo in the league
Aug 30th 2020
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I'm still going Lakers all the way but I won't pretend like I don't have...
Aug 30th 2020
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nick nurse the adjustment god.
Aug 30th 2020
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didnt last long lol.
Aug 30th 2020
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Raps look overmatched everywhere. Wow
Aug 30th 2020
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Morris might get that ejection piece
Aug 30th 2020
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Outta here (c)
Aug 30th 2020
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      Hostile act
Aug 30th 2020
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Twin out there doing Twin stuff
Aug 30th 2020
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Murray in a zone
Aug 30th 2020
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almost surprised when he misses
Aug 30th 2020
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Dono, c’mon
Aug 30th 2020
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Lol...Jamal wildin. I’m done. This is going to Game 7
Aug 30th 2020
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Boy is doing whatever he wants out there
Aug 30th 2020
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jamal murray had to have it this evening jack.
Aug 30th 2020
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Jazz done.
Aug 30th 2020
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itll be interesting to see what curry does from 3 when he comes back.
Aug 30th 2020
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chuck pissed lol.
Aug 30th 2020
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Utah gotta throw a wrinkle at Murray or something
Aug 30th 2020
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Murray doing what Mitchell did in the first two games.
Aug 30th 2020
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As badass as Murray was
Aug 31st 2020
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Miami is looking problematic for the Bucks. real problematic
Aug 31st 2020
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(long) Zirin interview
Sep 01st 2020
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DJR
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1. "Celtics-Raptors were already talking about boycotting yesterday"
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Will be interesting to see what CP3 and LeBron do tonight.

  

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2. "Thunder and Rockets too"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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Frank Longo
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3. "Shams reporting Thunder and Rockets also officially boycotting Game 5. "
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Reeq
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4. "silvers response will be interesting."
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Wed Aug-26-20 03:50 PM by Reeq

  

          

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BrooklynWHAT
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5. "season's probably over again IMO"
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idk a 1 day boycott would just seem weird and performative to me.

plus the teams tomorrow arent going to want to play after the teams today sat out. i feel like they have to cancel the season at this point

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22. "this took an incredible amount of courage"
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even if it's for 1 game, calling it performative isn't really fair.

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26. "Performative may be the wrong term..."
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But how is it effective if only one game?

Yes, people are talking now. But that quickly shuts up if the players go back to normal. Given many of them were skeptical of the bubble for this exact reason, AND feeling like sports headlines are taking away from what's really important...I dunno what can be done to salvage things.

Absolutely took an insane amount of courage to do this, no question. But these players aren't looking for temporary headlines.

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smutsboy
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34. "as we all know, these issues are much bigger than the players power"
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so they can forfeit all the games they want, it (probably) won't be enough by itself to change the US's white supremacist police state.

but I assume they know that and it's not really their goal.

It was something they could do. And something that AFAIK, had never been done in domestic US sports.

It's about gestures, politics, symbolism, and making your voice heard, even if racist cops and their paramilitary white supremacist buddies are going to keep ignoring you until we all take their power away.

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28. "this is what I was trying to say..."
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I didn't articulate it well. A lot of bread depending on these dudes running and jumping...and every game that ain't played is some more bread.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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31. "i don't disagree w/ it taking courage"
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Wed Aug-26-20 05:25 PM by BrooklynWHAT

  

          

i just think once you boycott, because you think you've been a distraction to the movement and you want to bring attention back to it, how do you start back up? because then you'll be a distraction* again

when do the players feel comfortable starting it back up? because this isnt going to change by tip off tomorrow. from george hill's comments the other day i got the impression him and a lot of players thought this would be a quick/easy process and police would stop shooting black people instantly. once you take this step i think you have to see it to the end and sit the rest of the season.

*i dont personally think they've been a distraction but i can also walk and chew gum at the same time. its 24 hrs in a day. ball is only on for a couple of em.

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36. "I didn't get that from his comments"
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>from george hill's comments the other day i got the impression him
>and a lot of players thought this would be a quick/easy
>process and police would stop shooting black people instantly.

obviously I don't know the guy, but I'm assuming he knows this is much bigger than him, or the players, or professional sports in general.

This was just a significant gesture and a public political demonstration, which has value in and of itself IMO.

I think your questions are valid. Protest under state oppression is extremely complicated and *everything* is stacked against you.

But I think without question this took courage and is a constructive step in the middle of a much larger war.

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6. "Seasons over, I’d think. "
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7. "At least they can’t twist this into it being about the troops"
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Though I’m sure a divisive Trump tweet is being crafted as we speak.

  

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20. "Replace troops with police"
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The rest will be from the same playbook

  

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8. "Wow..."
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https://twitter.com/Rockets_Insider/status/1298725013902647297?s=19

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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9. "This is great and all....."
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But how about we make sure people get off of their asses and vote. That's all anyone needs to be talking about right now.

Get this piece of shit out of office.

Dream with your eyes open.....

  

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16. "Some teams want to use their arenas as voting sites. (swipe & link)"
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/us/sports-arenas-voting-centers-coronavirus-spt-trnd/index.html

Sports arenas want to be the new home field for voters in upcoming elections.

As the Covid-19 pandemic renders many American sports stadiums underutilized, and amid concerns over voting safety, the nation's four major sports leagues are teaming up to create "Election Super Centers."

LeBron, Dodger Stadium pitching in

In Los Angeles, Lakers star LeBron James is working with his hardball counterparts to turn Dodger Stadium into a poling place for the general election. The development is part of James' More Than a Vote initiative, and it will mark the first time that a MLB team has turned its stadium into a voting venue.

"I may still be new to L.A. but didn't take long for me to learn how special the relationship is between the Dodgers and Lakers," James said in a news release announcing the partnership. "We are all in this together."

Hawk the vote

In late June, the NBA's Atlanta Hawks offered their arena as the home court for voters across Georgia's Fulton County.

The State Farm Arena, which seats more than 20,000 people, will become the largest-ever voting center in the state. The announcement comes on the heels of a chaotic primary marred by long lines and machine malfunctions.

"We always felt we were a community and civic asset. We took that oath as an opportunity and a big responsibility," said Hawks Principal Owner Tony Ressler.

Value in the venues

The sheer size of sports venues has helped them emerge as potential voting centers. They would allow for reduced lines, shortened wait times and safe spacing.

The Election Super Centers Project, a non-partisan initiative, brings together experts from different fields.

"Our mission," said Eugene Jarecki, a co-chair of the project, "is not only to help large scale venues offer thousands, even millions of voters greater poll access this year, but to ensure that their voting experience meets the highest standards of safety, security and election integrity."

Several sports franchises including the Boston Red Sox, Pittsburgh Steelers, Washington Capitals and Golden State Warriors are working with the Election Super Centers Project to offer their venues as as supplemental voting and registration centers.

  

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24. "Thats awesome...."
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Hopefully they can pull this off....

Dream with your eyes open.....

  

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38. "Voting is critical of course."
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But a lot if not most murder by police happens in cities controlled by Democrats.

So this is going to take much more than voting.

TBH I think the George Floyd/Breonna Taylor protests have achieved more in the fight against police oppression and murder than decades of 'reform' from elected politicians, of either party.

We have to vote. We also have to get out in the streets (for those that can). Or do mass actions such as what the NBA players are doing right now.

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48. "Where is the deepest cut?"
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America is stabbed up right now but stop the bleeding in the worst part first man.

Everything else just gotta get on the new regime.....but at least there is a chance they'll listen.

Trump is fucking cheering this shit on and fanning the flames.

He's gotta go. Save the stats and semantics for when this mfkr is getting a boot in his ass.

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10. "I hope the seasons not over, with this latest incident in Wisconsin..."
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like 40 minutes from Milwaukee the Bucks almost had to do something and the other teams will want to follow suit for solidarity. I think they will play on afterwards with everything they’ve dealt with inside bubble.

  

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12. "agreed...I think they play on after a couple of games"
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14. "Really though - how? "
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To a point made in here, how is a 1-2 game boycott not just performative?

I think this is going to be entirely dependent upon the voices of the league...and you've seen enough chatter to think this shit really might be over. What can realistically happen to bring the players to a place of feeling like them playing is not a distraction anymore?

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56. "the same reasons they played in the first place, the financial and..."
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contractual ramifications are huge, not the just this season but seasons beyond.

  

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21. "Their actions will not be a one-off. They want the officer who shot "
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Jacob 8 times to be arrested and charged , as well as the officers who are responsible for the murder of Breonna Taylor.

  

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23. "I should not have said a couple of games..."
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that made it seem trivial and like they were just doing it to doing something. That was not my intention.

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40. "RE: I should not have said a couple of games..."
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Red bird!!

Just wanted to say that because I know you are a big cardinals fan.

  

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49. "lol..no doubt #cardinalnation"
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11. "Lakers/Blazers probable too"
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13. "Oh, and anyone who talked shit about Kyrie owes him a huge apology"
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I don't think anyone did in here; I'm talking about amongst sports "pundits" and shit. Kendrick Perkins' loser ass especially.

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15. "Absolutely..."
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Stephen A. Too

  

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17. "^^^^^^^^^^"
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>I don't think anyone did in here; I'm talking about amongst
>sports "pundits" and shit. Kendrick Perkins' loser ass
>especially.

Kyrie was 100% right on this

  

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18. "wow"
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that takes a massive amount of courage.

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19. "Also, I think the semantics matter in calling this a strike rather than...."
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...a boycott. As many are pointing out, the players are technically striking, and I'd imagine all of their contracts have no strike clauses in their contracts. The team owners could be dicks and try to void them. So, props to these players for having the bravery to put their money on the line when many wouldn't.

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55. "Yes, please to *strike*"
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Feels like we kind of subconsciously apply language borrowed from history (in this case, from the Civil Rights era) for certain protest action, so we say "boycott" for pursuit of racial justice and we say "strike" for pursuit of economic justice. Not sinister, and actually kind of interesting. But also not accurate, as you point out. Viewed the perspective of who is using their power and how that power is wielded, the players are acting as workers and bearing that against capital. That's a strike. And hopefully calling it that will validate and encourage workers joining in.

Or something. I'm really interested in what's happening but don't really have any better way to describe that except in history talk.

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60. "great points"
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59. "a wildcat strike no less. "
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even better.

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92. "You're right-- I was just following the reported terminology."
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But yeah, it's a strike, not a boycott.

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25. "Brewers will not play tonight"
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27. "Mariners also considering not playing"
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29. "cmon M's! you suck at everything else. at least win on this front."
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46. "Mariners will not play tonight"
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30. "Dominoes are going to fall all the way to Gooddell's feet."
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32. "I cannot believe that fucking guy said, "I was unaware of the racial pro..."
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I mean I can believe it, but that's not the point.

man FUCK HIM

you don't get to say that!

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33. "i can't believe him. if he admitted he just didnt care at the time"
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i'd clap for him being honest. but i can't buy that he was unaware. he doesnt live under a rock.

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35. "man!! I hate Bomani was out for the week..."
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to celebrate his 40th. I wanted to hear him cook Goodell, so bad. LeBatard got him, though.

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37. "I’d be surprised if Bo doesn’t tap in tomorrow for an episode"
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This is just too in his lane to miss out until next Tuesday

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39. "truth"
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>i can't believe him. if he admitted he just didnt care at the time
>i'd clap for him being honest. but i can't buy that he was
>unaware. he doesnt live under a rock.

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42. "Kenny walked off of the nba on tnt set in support"
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Refs tweeted in support. Chris Webber testifying right now.

This is amazing.
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43. "C Webb is spitting. "
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44. "stan van gundy is a1. good follow on twitter too."
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45. "he absolutely is...."
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I learned about how he gets down, cuz he's good friends with LeBatard and during the time he wasn't coaching, they had him on the show for the whole day, once a week. Dude is serious.

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52. "i came to really appreciate him as Pistons coach"
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he was involved in the community and outspoken about we're supposed to care about

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47. "I think they should finish the season and continue to use the bubble "
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as a political and social justice platform. This is uncharted territory for the league and players, but their voices have been heard and acknowledged. I don’t think there will ever be a time again ,where all the players in the league are inside an environment, where they are able to exercise their powers and resources to fight for social justice.

If they all exit the bubble right now, the players will go their separate ways, back to their own cities and neighborhoods. I’m sure a lot of them have activist missions and movements that they work with and support to make a difference in the world , and I’m sure those movements are effective. However, this is an opportunity for players to use the bubble platform, to not only fight for racial equality and law enforcement reform, but to also use the platform to influence the upcoming election for democrats.

No other league of players has exhibited such a powerful stance and statement COLLECTIVELY against police brutality and national racism as the NBA players have exhibited.










  

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50. "Dexter Fowler removes himself from Cards lineup, this evening"
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53. "I love the stance itself and how MAD white folks in STL will be lol"
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63. "and you know they're seething... probably some of his own teammates"
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51. "on the anniversary of kaep first protest-"
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/milwaukee-bucks-boycott-playoff-game-jacob-blake-shooting-4-years-after-colin-kaepernick-kneel-national-anthem-214536601.html

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54. "Props to the League. Leadership on all levels."
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57. "Shams: Every team besides Lakers/Clippers voted to continue playing. "
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https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1298812939227394051?s=21

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Sources: Miami's Udonis Haslem spoke and essentially told everyone in room that -- without Lakers and Clippers, how will season continue?

LeBron James walked out. Rest of Lakers and Clippers exited behind him.

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58. "WOW"
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61. "So Mavs & Blazers advance by default?"
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Also, I've kinda felt like he knows this the last great chance he has at another ring, so I'm really shocked he letting that chance go, for an obviously greater cause, but still..

This power move sets a stage for him far bigger than b-ball in politics. Guess Perkins was right.. Bron for President!!

  

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62. "I mean, the league has to call the season, right?"
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First of all, props to the Lakers and Clippers for making a very brave and correct decision. Full stop.

Now that it's made, what's the point of keeping the play-offs going? Let's ignore that it's the two teams from the biggest remaining market for a second: the #1 and #2 seed from a conference just dropped out. How is a team winning the title going to feel "real"?

I know the NBA wants the money, but no good will come from continuing the play-offs.

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65. "RE: I mean, the league has to call the season, right?"
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Well, they have been informed that if they continue with the boycott, it could lead to the eradication of the current CBA, and that they would have to negotiate a new CBA.

Even though players were supportive on social media, a lot of players felt blindsided by the actions of the Milwaukee Bucks, because they had no choice but to follow suit, considering the climate of everything. And I understand that, but this is an usual situation, and considering that the Jacob Blake shooting happened in Wisconsin, players should be a bit more understanding. However, I do believe the Bucks should have met with all the players in the league first, before abruptly boycotting today’s game. That way everything they wanted to address and request would have been worked out and agreed upon by all the players in the league. The entire move lacked solidarity.

So I think Lebron and the Clippers were just flexing to illustrate that they are the most important teams in the NBA, and without them there is no NBA. The fact that Lebron angrily left the meeting ,and the rest of the lakers and clippers followed, tells you where they stand.

So now all the players are trying to iron out a plan, and figure out what the next steps are. No one knows. Tomorrow’s meeting is going to be intense.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lakers-clippers-take-stand-against-playing-remainder-of-nba-season-during-players-meeting-per-report/

  

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75. "all facts..."
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>Well, they have been informed that if they continue with the
>boycott, it could lead to the eradication of the current CBA,
>and that they would have to negotiate a new CBA.
>
>Even though players were supportive on social media, a lot of
>players felt blindsided by the actions of the Milwaukee Bucks,
>because they had no choice but to follow suit, considering the
>climate of everything. And I understand that, but this is an
>usual situation, and considering that the Jacob Blake
>shooting happened in Wisconsin, players should be a bit more
>understanding. However, I do believe the Bucks should have met
>with all the players in the league first, before abruptly
>boycotting today’s game. That way everything they wanted to
>address and request would have been worked out and agreed upon
>by all the players in the league. The entire move lacked
>solidarity.
>
>So I think Lebron and the Clippers were just flexing to
>illustrate that they are the most important teams in the NBA,
>and without them there is no NBA. The fact that Lebron angrily
>left the meeting ,and the rest of the lakers and clippers
>followed, tells you where they stand.
>
>So now all the players are trying to iron out a plan, and
>figure out what the next steps are. No one knows. Tomorrow’s
>meeting is going to be intense.
>
>https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lakers-clippers-take-stand-against-playing-remainder-of-nba-season-during-players-meeting-per-report/
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68. "It sounds like the Lakers and clippers vote may have been overstated"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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106. "RE: Let's ignore that it's the two teams from the biggest remaining mark..."
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LA is the killed by cop capital of the world
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Thabo
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= this can’t be the first time a boycott was discussed

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64. "Apparently the owners are on notice now. Good."
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Owners opening up arenas for voting would/could be a start. Especially arenas in Texas, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Florida etc.

  

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66. "The most powerful thing an athlete can do..."
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...is be dominant competitively and outspoken when not competing

The template is and always will be Ali. Vociferous in his criticism of Vietnam and racism and a vicious competitor inside the ring. I truly believe he’s the best citizen our country ever had.

Also, Thommie Smith and John Carlos on the podium in Mexico City...two Olympic medalists, one a GOLD medalist, using the platform for the greatest good imaginable.

I can’t see the path between not competing and influencing change.

The most badass thing Lebron James or Kawhi Leonard could EVER do is win a championship then use all of that attention to speak out about racial injustice.
I don’t know where these guys get their advice from, but I feel its short sighted.

If you feel I’m wrong, then I need you to explain to me how a boycott longer than one game or outright boycott of the remaining playoffs altogether would be better than charging ahead and being even MORE outspoken.

  

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67. "Because actions speak louder than words"
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An athlete forgoing the chance to win a competition does come across as something more than rhetoric.

  

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71. "Lebron doesn't need more attention. He draws attention. "
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This is your claim.

>The most badass thing Lebron James or Kawhi Leonard could EVER
>do is win a championship then use all of that attention to
>speak out about racial injustice.

You need to make ke that case.

If it were the 3rd guy off the bench in Charlotte, you'd have a point about "using all that attention", because that guy would kikely need the additional attention to make an impact.

But "all that attention" doesn't apply to the guy who has been one of the most visible athletes in the world for nearly two decades.

Particularly when he's been speaking out against racial injustice for years.

He's already doing that. Playing all of his games and "using all that attention to speak out against racial injustice" is quite literally just doing the same thing.

Lebron doesn't need a platform.

Lebron IS a platform unto himself.

He's not a business man, he's a business, man. Get it?

Your entire argument is that he should just do the status quo.

Meanwhile, Black man of his stature, showcasing the sort of power that can make the top two seeds in the second largest market abandon the playoffs, and then get the owner of his team to showcase her full support?

That can create a domino effect that can spur the owners themselves to action. Because he may be able to influence the rest of the league to do the same. I won't be surprised if other teams change course within the next few days and follow his lead.

It's a definitively bigger statement that has broader, far reaching implications for the league. Don't be surprised if the NBA ramps.uo their overall efforts as a result of this.

And the it's not just him, Kawhi, PG and AD making the statement.

Many may well follow his lead, which means more people can make the same statement.

Will they? Who knows.

But he has a level of power that can cause larger ripple effects than your suggestion that he just keep on keeping on, doing what he's already done with a high level of visibility already.

>I don’t know where these guys get their advice from, but I
>feel its short sighted.

Jesus christ. "I don't know where these guys get their advice from"?

This is "does t.i know he's a loser?" and "Kawhi is bitchmade" levels of smug and wrong.

Where do they get there advice from?

If you're trying out to be their adviser, you've failed miserably.
All you've done is say they can talk and dribble at the same time.

> If you feel I’m wrong, then I need you to explain to me how
>a boycott longer than one game or outright boycott of the
>remaining playoffs altogether would be better than charging
>ahead and being even MORE outspoken.

That's not how the burden of proof works.

You made a claim, but didn't make the case for that claim. Citing Ali and the two cats from Mexico do not make that case.

You don't get to just shout the contrarian opinion and say "prove me wrong".

  

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72. "Think of it as a strike, not a boycott. They could drive the owners"
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and the NBA altogether to actually make a positive impact. Opening up the arenas for voting would be an easy way for the owners to actually impact change.

  

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74. "Yep. it is an actual wildcat strike"
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it's not a boycott, and it's not a legal strike.

it makes it all the more powerful.

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77. "Exactly!"
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This *strike* will cost owners money. A bit now, more down the road if it has an impact on TV money.

So the question to ask is: Do billionaire businessmen have influence on local politics in the city where they operate extremely popular businesses?

And the answer is obviously they do. Owners of professional sports teams, in particular, have real influence to wield over infrastructure and policing - parts of local government that are crucial when these lords of industry get cities to pay for their stadium projects. And this is why, even though I think calling it a "boycott" is a benign error in terminology, it's an actual problem if it persists because it treats this action as purely performative and symbolic rather than a political action with material consequences. And that mistake in turn risks kind of patronizing a group of sharp, brave young black men who have, on their own, recognized their collective power and have sought to use it on behalf of other black men*.

"Boycott" will, over time, reduce these players to consumers instead of savvy political actors who are using their power in a clear, targeted way.

*and black women, and since this is all about authoritarian police violence it's worth pointing out that what they're doing will benefit all working people. I'm sure they realize that, so thanks NBA players.

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73. "But Ali went to prison rather than go to Vietnam"
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He didn't do what he was "supposed to do". He boycotted, or whatever the labor term would be for an army recruit.

Under capitalism you have your leverage when you withhold your labor and value, not when you give it and then ask for something afterwards. All your leverage is gone.

The NBA players are workers and they are withholding their labor and surplus value because of racial injustice.

And they have powerfully forced everyone in the league's hand.

It is way more powerful than just speaking out after doing what you're supposed to do (in their case, playing bball and winning games).

Lebron James has been bravely speaking out since at least the Michael Brown murder, IIRC. Yesterday James achieved more in one night than years of his press conferences have.

This passage is what I'm getting at:

"Here I just want to make a sim­ple point: these NBA play­ers may be rich and famous, but in this case, they are not doing any­thing that you can’t do too. The pow­er they are exer­cis­ing here is not ath­let­ic pow­er, but labor pow­er. They are mem­bers of a union, the Nation­al Bas­ket­ball Play­ers Asso­ci­a­tion, and that union has a con­tract with the NBA, and that con­tract pro­hibits them from strik­ing. Yet they struck. And not only did they get away with it, but it was a spec­tac­u­lar pub­lic suc­cess. They pulled off a wild­cat strike because they have lever­age. Because they can. That is the only pow­er that real­ly mat­ters in the work­place. Every­thing else is imag­i­nary.

Think about it: What would hap­pen if the NBA start­ed wav­ing its con­tract, with the ​“no strike” clause, and crit­i­ciz­ing the play­ers for their work stop­page, and threat­en­ing harsh legal retal­i­a­tion? The NBA would be crushed by a wave of bad PR, first of all. That would be bad for busi­ness. And what would be worse for busi­ness would be the fact that there would be no busi­ness — if the play­ers don’t play, there is no NBA. Peri­od...

...The rules that gov­ern orga­nized labor in Amer­i­ca are not fair. The bulk of labor law has been writ­ten to favor busi­ness, which has the mon­ey and finan­cial incen­tive to spend decades lob­by­ing to make labor laws more and more hos­tile to work­ers. The law harsh­ly restricts who is allowed to union­ize, and what rights they have, and when they are legal­ly allowed to strike.

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***** The Mil­wau­kee Bucks have per­formed the valu­able ser­vice of show­ing us that all of those laws don’t mean jack shit. Lever­age is time­less and sits out­side the law. It is root­ed in the fab­ric of real­i­ty, like physics. Why did the NBA rush to release state­ments about how it ​“sup­ports” these unau­tho­rized strikes which very well may end their sea­son? In what sense do the own­ers of these teams ​“sup­port” these actions, which may cost them mil­lions of dol­lars, that they would have warned against right up until the moment they hap­pened? They ​“sup­port” the play­ers here in the sense that they have no choice but to do so. What would hap­pen if the NBA respond­ed to these unau­tho­rized strikes by lock­ing the play­ers out next sea­son, as would be their right under the con­tract? Would all of the world’s NBA fans sit calm­ly and con­tin­ue tithing mon­ey to bas­ket­ball team own­ers in order to pre­serve the sanc­ti­ty of con­tracts? No. What would hap­pen is there would be no NBA.

And if all of the play­ers got sick of the own­ers and their con­tracts and decid­ed to pack up and start their own bas­ket­ball league that they them­selves ran, fans would watch that, because that is where the good bas­ket­ball would be. The play­ers make mon­ey for the own­ers, not vice ver­sa. This is the key to their lever­age. With an under­stand­ing of this fact, their options are lim­it­less. The league can holler and yell and cajole and object, but ulti­mate­ly it will come along. The work­ers have the pow­er." *****

https://inthesetimes.com/article/nba-strike-bucks-basketball-labor-union

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76. "LeBron is already at the Ali level of fame"
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He doesn't really need the platform of the NBA anymore. He could hold a press conference that's bigger than the one at the end of the Finals (hell, he already did something like that with The Decision).

I understand what you're saying if, say, Derrick Jones on the HEat wanted to jump out there and say something meaningful. THat's the kind of level Carlos and Smith were at heading into the Olympics.. known in their field and by fans but not recognizable by the general public except in the context of being a (potential) champion in their sport.

So yeah, I see alot of benefit with the NBA superstars continuing to boycott games. People around the world know their names and follow what they do.

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79. "nah, right now on sports networks the talk is 50% why the players aren't"
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playing and 50% what's next/will games be played again etc (its probably not that split but whatever)

If they go back to playing or your example Lebron wins a chip and uses that platform to speak on the issues, the talk will be 98% about basketball.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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93. "is this an alternate history on Muhammad Ali?"
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>...is be dominant competitively and outspoken when not
>competing
>
>The template is and always will be Ali. Vociferous in his
>criticism of Vietnam and racism and a vicious competitor
>inside the ring. I truly believe he’s the best citizen our
>country ever had.

Ali was stripped of his title, his boxing license, and was sentenced to prison. Gave up some of the prime years of his career and was probably the most hated man in America for a time

he didn't just dominate in the ring and speak his mind (unless i'm misunderstanding what you're saying)

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69. "Mark Spears calling out owners, directly"
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...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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70. "https://twitter.com/PatBradley_/status/1298842767456600069?s=20"
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https://twitter.com/PatBradley_/status/1298842767456600069?s=20


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78. "young man is impressive "
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...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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80. "i don't know how ya'll dudes put up with stephen a smh"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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81. "RE: i don't know how ya'll dudes put up with stephen a smh"
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He just likes to talk and say nothing, just to hear himself talk. He is very disturbing.

  

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82. "I definitely have to mute him lol, Max is pretty annoying too although....."
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he has obviously taken a step back in the current climate

  

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85. "I never liked stephen A. I dislike him even more when he's talking about"
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non sports issues. He acts like he speaks for all black people.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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86. "at least max is consistent."
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stephen a is all over the place nowadays.

the other day he was talking about how he doesnt believe in cancel culture and the reds commentator who said 'f*g capital of the world' on a hot mic shouldnt be fired. when hes called for multiple firings based on things people have been caught saying in the past.

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88. "Max is clueless about sports other than boxing."
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83. "Woj: Playoffs to resume. "
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Well, alright then.

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87. "emotions are high but there's a lot of money on the table, Chris Paul..."
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is guaranteed $40 mil a year for the next three years.

He's not going to walk away from that.

  

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89. "not to mention a 15-35% drop in the cap that would happen"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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90. "The effect on the CBA could have been upwards of -35%"
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Money isn’t everything but an outright strike on the season would have had huuuuuuge ramifications on the players more than anyone else.

I do wonder what’s next here, because this isn’t over.

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84. "This is powerful, because now black football players are addressing "
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the matter.

If this leads to nfl players and mlb players forming a bond similar to basketball players, there will be change. Those leagues are not even close to being player unified, so if these pushes those players to demand change, then this could lead to a complete unified sports front...along with college players.

Imagine if all those persons combined their resources and money together, they could form their own sports federation complete with their own sports leagues, and set up deals with TV networks and the companies they endorse.

That whole movement would render owners and corporations useless. With social media and technology, players have direct access to consumers. It would be similar to an independent artist disregarding signing or using a major record label, and creating his own label.

When it comes to how baseball was desegregated, they don’t really reveal why that happened. We always get the Jackie Robinson story, etc . However, white owners feared that star white players would join black negro league players to form their own league. White players were making more money barnstorming with black players than they were in MLB, and some think Jackie being placed in MLB was actually an act that killed the negro leagues. That’s how powerful the negro leagues were, but they just didn’t know it,and didn’t have any leverage at the time.

Now they have leverage.



  

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91. "Direct action gets the goods. "
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Organized labor gets the goods.

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94. "a few things to keep in mind..."
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What If The 2019-20 NBA Season Is Over? Explaining The ‘Force Majeure’ Clause
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2020/03/13/what-if-the-2019-20-nba-season-is-over-explaining-the-force-majeure-clause/#54da468559ed

"A force majeure event also gives the NBA "the right to terminate" the collective bargaining agreement 60 days after delivering a written notice of termination to the NBPA."

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

These are the top contracts in the NBA and are currently GUARANTEED. If the players don't play that money is gone. Most of the dudes at the top are 30+ in their primes. The majority of them will not get that same money if forced to re-negotiate.

  

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95. "I am SOOOOO proud of these guys"
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This is seriously the stuff of Legend. The 25 year old kid from Greece is now leading the push from the NBA to get society to address its ills.

This shit goes back to our founding, has festered, and now we may reach a point where change come because KIDS demand it.

Thats incredible
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96. "so the commissioner told them niggas get back on the court."
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https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1299015806370578432

you pretty much knew who chris haynes was referring to when somebody leaked this to him last night.
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1298744673226436609

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97. "I think I'm in this camp on that: "
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One of the replies summed it up well, I think:

"I am looking at this from a standpoint, the players got everybody’s attention by postponing the games yesterday. Governors(Owners) seen the financial ramifications. Players also know as a black community a platform is needed and they are working to continue building that platform"

I still think we see a stronger, overall NBA response, complete with owners, on the issue.

  

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98. "yep..."
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all the entities that make money off of these games opened their eyes, yesterday, to what could be. I'm sure Warner Media didn't enjoy having to put on a shitty Adam Sandler movie, instead of Rockets/Thunder.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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99. "Even with the about-face, I think the message was sent"
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And- not that they haven't had their share of missteps, particularly under Stern- the NBA has still been at the forefront of taking a more progressive, less restrictive stance toward players being vocal about social issues.

I fully expect to see greater efforts from ownership.

To that end, that collective good can be just as powerful as a straight up strike.

  

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102. "With 20-30 Billion a year on NBA betting. I think Vegas had a say too."
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100. "The fact that there hasn’t been a response or statement issued "
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by Adam Silver or the front office is very telling.



  

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101. "nhl suspends 2 nights of playoff games."
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gonna be interesting to see if fox news and trump hate on (virtually all white) hockey.

https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1299105864687718402
https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1299106199263207425
https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1299106499709501441
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BREAKING: "After much discussion, NHL Players believe that the best course of action would be to take a step back and not play tonight’s and tomorrow’s games as scheduled. The NHL supports the Players’ decision and will reschedule those four games beginning Saturday ..."

More from @NHL and @NHLPA: "Black and Brown communities continue to face real, painful experiences. The NHL and NHLPA recognize that much work remains to be done before we can play an appropriate role in a discussion centered on diversity, inclusion and social justice.

.@NHL & @NHLPA: "We understand that the tragedies involving Jacob Blake, George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and others require us to recognize this moment. We pledge to work to use our sport to influence positive change in society."

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103. "wonder if nhl players get called spoiled/priveledged by twitter MAGAts"
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105. "just looked on Twitter..."
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the racists did not disappoint. A whoooole lot of:
"I'm Done", "hope their ratings drop", (insert Jacob Blake's police record), "Good Riddance", "NHL bowing down to the left", etc.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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109. ""NHL bowing down to the left" <--- this is what I expected"
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Rather than admit their favorite good ole white athletes aren't aligned with their politics, they act like they are just caving under pressure.

  

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104. "I don't get the platform argument for coming back?"
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Should be obvious their talent is the platform

Do they even need the NBA?

Players couldn't pool their resources and stream a tourney like the one we're watching?

I'm proud they took a stand...but we're still not organized

Threat would have even more impact if there was something to walk away to...

Boycott a year and go to the euro league or some shit

Ali ain't lose his prime for 4 days

Kap still on the sideline

IDK, incredibly impressive to see the impact if even for a day

Incredibly depressing how quickly it was dismissed

Shout to everyone that did speak put doe

Keep the heat on they a$$es

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107. "I don’t think it was ever meant to be a boycott or a strike..."
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players that play in the Milwaukee, Wisconsin area decided to “take a knee” and their brothers and sisters in the NBA and other sports decided to “take a knee” with them. It was never said that we’re not not playing anymore we’re just not playing TODAY. It was powerful and it was felt. This these issues are not going to be resolved overnight or before the year is out.

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110. "see reply 106"
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https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0326/nba_a_heathoodies_gb1_576.jpg

(c) 2012

There’s always going to be accolades and money to play for

...what does it take to make it worth sacrificing all of it..,

and how long should we keep waiting for this $hit to stop

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108. "RE: I don't get the platform argument for coming back?"
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There is still history of winning championships and some of them played themselves into a real chance. I kinda feel for LBJ, he doesn't have that many years and he'd love to catch Kobe, let alone Mike. Kawhi would make history, PG and Harden could redeem themselves. I feel that's the main reason for the top teams to keep playing, but if Im a team about to get knocked out anyways, not sure what incentive they really have.

  

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112. "Outside of fans of the franchise that does win"
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This will be the most meaningless chip for the rest

We’re Okayplayer haters

C’mon fam

Sure, get that asterisk

...but now...

What will it really mean

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116. "Lol what?"
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This has been an amazing postseason so far
Not BS bc of mad injuries or Covid positived as we expected. There have been more hurdles to overcome. If this is an asterisk chip its bc that shit means more than an avg season

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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117. "^^^^^^"
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118. "*shortened season "
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*no home court advantage
*no fans
*months between regular season and playoffs

You’re talking meaning in regards to emotion

I’m talking about historically

Replies in that Kawhi thread trying to diminish last years chip

Posters still try to diminish the CLE chip...what if Draymond doesn’t get suspended, etc...

...and from GHill’s comments, it’s clear some players don’t even want to be there to begin with...

They’re playing into September...will this go into October now?

C’mon son...it’s all f’d up

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152. "And???"
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Explain to me how if the lakers or clips lose it means less?

You could have a point if the playoffs have had mad upsets but they havent...its kind of gone as expected except some players have stood out with pheonomenal play(Murray, doncic and Mitchell)

As far as team play is concerned, nothing has happened in the bubble that would have been shocking if it happened in a regular playoffs.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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120. "I don’t think anyone is going to elevate this season"
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as something special.

Shit feels like a summer league title.. lol.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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114. "its easy to comment on the sidelines when YOUR families..."
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generational wealth is not on the line

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111. "This is where I’m at. The Negro league was its own league, and even "
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white players played in the negro league.

You can control the narrative by controlling your product and controlling the revenue that
the product generates.

We all saw what the Big Three was able to do, now imagine what the NBA players would be able to do.

Kyrie Irving spoke about this. He stated that instead of going to Orlando that players should pool their resources to start their own league.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2896515-could-a-players-owned-basketball-league-ever-really-work

  

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113. "Seen"
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Sounds like they would all have to be onboard

I could see litigation if a couple of players left to do their own thing

But if errybody left...would the league be able to effect litigation against every player fast enough to stop them

...and wouldn’t that tank the NBA’s brand...

They’d be forced to play scabs...

I wonder how players feel about the idea of their own league now

Kinda makes it sound like they were extorted into the bubble

Anybody catch covid in the bubble?

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115. "RE: Seen"
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They could simply terminate the CBA in October.

Recently, both sides agreed to push back the date that will give both
sides the right to terminate the CBA due to the Covid-19 pandemic. That date is oct 19th.

  

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123. "as far as "Big 3" Icecube has a jewish lawyer tight with Steve Bannon..."
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calling the shots behind the scenes

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125. "RE: as far as "Big 3" Icecube has a jewish lawyer tight with Steve Banno..."
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>calling the shots behind the scenes


Really? That's pretty wild if true.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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128. "really weird inclusion of the lawyer's religion there"
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As in, nice echoing of a classic anti Semitic trope
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130. "that same lawyer was part of kaepernick's legal defense team"
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he's a civil rights lawyer. he's also one of cube's best friends (this is true). and i'm pretty sure he doesn't "call all the shots" for big 3. him and cube have a few joint ventures going on, including cube's production company.

i'm not getting into much more. just wanted to point this out.

  

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144. "For why tho?"
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The NBA and especially Silver have been pretty good with everything, much more than other leagues. They are listening, maybe not all the owners like it but not sure a new league would fix anything.

  

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119. "Pat Bev..."
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https://twitter.com/WoozyWRLD/status/1299236356116234241?s=09

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121. "idiot"
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122. "typical dickhead Bev."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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124. "dudes like him are the reason why "players forming their own league"..."
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would be tough to do

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139. "fucking stupid."
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126. "Lebron James is showing his arrogance and conceit during this whole"
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ordeal.

He was demeaning his own peers in the meeting and turned people off, as if everyone is beneath him.

Also people didn’t like his comments against the Milwaukee Bucks, as if they needed his permission to take a stand.

Owners and players were turned by his behavior. He was making the movement and entire ordeal about him.

  

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127. "are you in the bubble?"
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129. "This story says different "
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https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1299212726208802818?s=20

https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/inside-the-emotional-48-hours-that-saved-the-nb-as-bubble-050354990.html?__twitter_impression=true


LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. — The past 48 hours have been a whirlwind for NBA players in the bubble.

Walkouts, conflict, frustration and, ultimately, resolutions characterized this unprecedented time in sports history. And that’s all after the players have been sequestered in the Disney bubble, following strict health guidelines and focusing on competition for more than seven weeks.

This is how the NBA nearly lost its postseason but managed to find some common ground, come together and move on in a matter of two days.


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Oklahoma City Thunder star Chris Paul, who is the president of the players’ union, had the tedious and thankless job of uniting the players.

Many were frustrated and emotionally drained after being caught off-guard by the Bucks’ refusal to take the court Wednesday for Game 5 of their first-round series against the Orlando Magic without informing anyone outside the team of their plans.


Players who were scheduled to compete in the ensuing games felt an obligation to sit out because the Bucks’ decision wasn’t part of an organized plan of action, sources said.

The Bucks, who are up 3-1 in the series, intended to force a forfeit and were willing to take the loss and forgo the opportunity to close out the series, but the organization did not anticipate being the catalyst for temporarily shutting down the league, sources said.

The protest was in response to the shooting of Jacob Blake, a 29-year-old Black man who was shot in the back multiple times on Sunday by police in Kenosha, Wisconsin, as he tried to get into his vehicle. The incident was captured on video. His three sons — ages 3, 5, and 8 — were in the vehicle during the incident, his family’s attorney said. Blake remains hospitalized.

A players meeting was arranged for 8 p.m. Wednesday to discuss the next move. Some wanted to leave the bubble to be with family, others wanted to leave to get on the frontlines and support change in the Black community, and others felt there’s no bigger platform than the one afforded in the bubble to get their messages across, sources said.

Miami Heat forward Udonis Haslem, whose veteran stature gives him cachet among his peers, was one of the more vocal voices in the meeting, sources said.

Some players took issue with Bucks guard George Hill, who was a central figure in persuading the Bucks not to play and who said on Monday that “we shouldn’t have even came to this damn place” while lamenting the Blake shooting.

Haslem — in a clear message to Hill — stated that it was irresponsible and selfish for an established veteran to suggest that everyone should go home because younger players haven’t accumulated the wealth for such a drastic action, sources said.

LeBron James was one of the many players miffed with the Bucks’ handling of the situation as well, sources said. To him and so many others, it put them in a no-win situation.

His frustration with Hill and the Bucks was because the players didn’t have a plan of action that would warrant players returning to play, sources said. James’ mindset, sources said, was if they’re refusing to play, then what’s the end game and what demands must be met to continue?

Ever since the league suspended play on March 11 due to the coronavirus, James had been an advocate for resuming play if proper health and safety protocols allowed for it.

But in Wednesday’s meeting, players began seeing a shift in his position when he agreed to go with whatever the majority decided, sources said.


With emotions all over the place, Haslem pressed James and asked the star what he planned to do, reminding him that he’s the face of the league and it goes as he goes, sources said.

James then said, “We’re out,” and walked out with almost all of his teammates following behind, sources said, with Dwight Howard being the only Laker who remained.

The Clippers walked out as well, joining the Lakers as the only two of the 13 teams still in the bubble to vote against completing the rest of the playoffs.

But that wasn’t the only scene that got testy.

Michele Roberts, the executive director of the players’ union, asked to have the floor to speak about the financial ramifications of leaving Orlando.

While she was going over the numbers, Clippers guard Patrick Beverley abruptly interrupted her, saying he disagreed with her logic, sources said. Roberts kindly reiterated that these were potential losses the players would suffer, and Beverley interrupted again.

Roberts asked politely if she could continue with her point, and Beverley responded, “No, I pay your salary,” sources said.

This caused an uproar with Paul, Haslem and others, who intervened and told Beverley that disrespect would not be tolerated, sources said.

After nearly three hours and with emotions running high, players agreed to meet again on 11 a.m. ET Thursday to make a final decision on the season.

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A significant source of frustration in Wednesday’s meeting stemmed from players not being on the same page and letting emotions get the best of some. The hope from the collective was after a good night’s sleep, players would be in a better space to make a sound decision.

When it was time to gather on Thursday, the meeting couldn’t get underway, sources said, because there was one team missing: the Lakers.

They arrived at the meeting 45 minutes late, sources said. Prior to the Lakers and Clippers entering the meeting area, members of the executive committee reached out to James and Clippers guard Lou Williams to see where their teams stood on resuming play, sources said.

James and Williams informed the committee that their teams were in. Now with the go-ahead from all 13 teams, Paul and Andre Iguodala — the first VP of the players’ union — announced to the players that they would continue with the playoffs.

Yet still, a few players objected, asking who voted on their behalf, sources said. Paul and Iguodala took on the leadership role and said they were intent on playing, and promised they wouldn’t be moving forward without their best interests in mind.

Later that afternoon, there was a Zoom call between team owners and players.

On the call, James was stern in calling on owners to do more in aiding the Black community and to play more of a role in using their resources to combat systemic racism, sources said.

James had already told players he was in, but depending on how the meeting went with owners, he would have reversed course if things went sideways, sources said.

After the meeting, James felt comfortable with returning to the court, sources said. Owners promised that they would get to work on real action items that would benefit the Black community, sources said.

James always supported the Bucks; he just wanted unity and a specific call to action if they wanted to take a stand, sources said.

Even though James is just one player, it would have been impossible for the league to continue if he didn’t change his position.

Thursday morning’s players-only meeting lasted only 15 minutes, sources said. The walkout didn’t occur organically. But Paul, Iguodala, James, Jared Dudley and other veterans worked around the clock over the past two days to find a resolution.

That’s how the NBA came back.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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132. "Wait, THE allstah is wrong on something? Shocked I tell you!"
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136. "RE: Wait, THE allstah is wrong on something? Shocked I tell you!"
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Here listen for yourself.

https://youtu.be/N8Cmqk2RlIA


And based off that thorough report , a lot of owners were turned off by his behavior in the meeting as well.

Again, as detailed as that information is, does not come off as fabricated.
You can’t be that much of a fan boy where you can’t see that....just saying.

Even before the report, his behavior just appeared that he was upset that he wasn’t leading the charge or protest, and that the bucks and hill were getting credit and attention for it, as they should.

  

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133. "RE: lol you couldn’t be further off"
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I’m just going off of what was reported on first take .

Of course it is going to be displayed differently to cover up what really went on behind closed doors.

I don’t think they would flat out lie about that.

1. A lot of players took offense to him saying that he was just looking out
for the players BENEATH him, as if it’s Lebron and everyone else.

2. After the owners, players’ reps, and players had all spoken and the meeting was over,
Lebron then decide to speak for 15 mins on stuff that they already agreed upon, making the meeting even longer. And they all had to remind him that they talked and agreed upon those items that he was referring to.

His actions were perceived as being arrogant and self centered .

That was on First Take this morning with Stephen A and Max


  

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134. "who is "they"? you're rattling off shit like you were in the room lol"
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>I’m just going off of what was reported on first take .
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>Of course it is going to be displayed differently to cover up
>what really went on behind closed doors, like the pat beverly
>situation.
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>I don’t think they would flat out lie about that.

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135. "RE: who is &amp;quot;they&amp;quot;? you're rattling off shit like you w..."
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Here is the report.

https://youtu.be/N8Cmqk2RlIAt

That is DETAILED information about the meeting.

Now if you are still in denial, That’s on you.

  

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137. "Stephen A. talking out of his ass like normal lol"
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138. "RE: Stephen A. talking out of his ass like normal lol"
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Are you that much of a Stan, that you don’t believe players reporting information to reporters outside the bubble?

All that information is made up? That is detailed information about the meeting that took place.

Even the report on him storming out let me know what the deal really was. And when Jaylen Brown said what he said, about the Bucks didn’t and don’t need permission for their protest ...I knew who he was referring to

Seriously, bro. You can’t be that starry eyed.

  

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140. "if you read the story above..."
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you will see that there were more than a few people upset with the Bucks. Udonis Haslem called addressed George Hill, directly. Lebron walked out after UH asked him what was it gonna be...and his team and the Clippers walked out behind him.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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141. "RE: if you read the story above..."
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YEAh, that’s one report from the other day.

I’m talking about the report from Lebron TODAY regarding the meeting with the owners.

You’re referring to the players meeting that took place after the bucks didn’t play the other day.

All the players weren’t on the same side and page....but it was Lebron’s stance of STORMING out of the player’s meetings that led to the breaking up of the player’s meeting.

And the report by First Take is regarding the meeting with the owners, PA and players...it is referring to his behavior during that meeting.
There was a huge problem with his arrogant behavior during that meeting

  

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142. "but I'm addressing the part about people's reaction to the Bucks, "
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specifically. The reaction to George Hill and the Bucks did not occur in yesterday's meeting that had the owners in it.

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143. "RE: but I'm addressing the part about people's reaction to the Bucks, "
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No disrespect. We all know that. We all know everyone didn’t agree with their action. So im not sure what your point is. I’m not denying or against that.

It’s just that lebron’s was way more diva’ ish and way over the top than the others...as if it had to go through him first, and again he stormed out, and others followed. I’m just going by the first take video report.

  

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145. "dude..."
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in reply 138 you said this:
Even the report on him storming out let me know what the deal really was. And when Jaylen Brown said what he said, about the Bucks didn’t and don’t need permission for their protest ...I knew who he was referring to


that last part about the Bucks not needing anyone's permission... "I knew who he was referring to". That is what I'm addressing. You didn't/don't know...because more that just Lebron was ticked about it...as evidenced by Udonis Haslem directly addressing George Hill.

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146. "RE: dude..."
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Right, and what I’m saying is, no doubt some players didn’t agree with what the bucks did, but that statement by Jaylen which came after the storm out of the player’s meeting, had a certain tone to it.

  

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147. "Also, what’s not being discussed is that the Boston Celtics and Raptor..."
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were already taking about boycotting their upcoming games. It’s just the Bucks went out and did it before tip off. So the concept was out in the atmosphere.

And the main one leading the way was Jaylen Brown, as well as FVV. These young guys are not waiting , and are not concerned about upsetting brands, egos or opinions. These young cats got the ball rolling for real, and they want and are pushing change right now.

The T-shirt’s and kneeling were simply that...more needed to be done.

A new generation of ball players upon us



https://sports.yahoo.com/celtics-jaylen-brown-leader-nbas-012613670.html

  

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148. "like I said before emotions are high but there's a lot of money on the....."
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table for everybody involved. Once the "young guys" had that broken down to them by people like Michelle Roberts and the vets they realized how high the stakes were and why just walking away may not be the best thing to do for multiple reasons.

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149. "draymond green bout to get his van jones on."
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150. "LeBron James, More Sought Barack Obama's Advice During NBA Protests:"
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2906700-report-lebron-james-more-sought-barack-obamas-advice-during-nba-protests

Report: LeBron James, More Sought Barack Obama's Advice During NBA Protests
BLAKE SCHUSTER
AUGUST 28, 2020

Amid a work stoppage that forced the NBA to postpone the playoffs until Saturday, Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James and a group of players reportedly sought advice from former President Barack Obama on how to proceed with their protest.

According to Shams Charania of The Athletic and Stadium, Obama advised James, Chris Paul and others to resume playing in an effort to further their message against systemic racism during a Wednesday call. That followed a contentious meeting among players inside the NBA bubble during which James, the Lakers and the Los Angeles Clippers voted to end the season following the police shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha, Wisconsin on Sunday.


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151. "Sources: Michael Jordan voice of reason during NBA owners meeting"
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Sources: Michael Jordan voice of reason during NBA owners meeting
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Jackie MacMullan
ESPN Senior Writer

As the NBA continues to navigate its next steps after the extraordinary decision of the Milwaukee Bucks not to play their playoff game against the Orlando Magic on Wednesday over social justice issues, prompting the cancellation of games throughout multiple professional sports, a recognizable figure has emerged as a go-between NBA players and owners: Michael Jordan.

Jordan, owner of the Charlotte Hornets -- and the only Black majority owner in the league -- reached out to National Basketball Players Association president Chris Paul, league sources told ESPN, in advance of the owners meeting to get a better understanding of what the players hoped to achieve going forward and to offer assistance as they make their case to the NBA board of governors. Jordan also spoke with Houston Rockets star Russell Westbrook about issues of social justice that initially left some stars advocating for the cancellation of the season.

The owners held a virtual meeting Thursday morning, and two participants confirmed that Jordan -- who serves as the NBA Labor Relations Committee chairman -- was a voice of reason, urging the other owners to allow the players to express their frustrations and concerns before offering any of their own solutions.

"Right now, listening is better than talking," Jordan told the group, according to sources.

"Michael is the perfect person to be in this role," said a league official who has been privy to discussions on what should happen next. "He's been a high-profile player who has won championships. He's also the owner of a small-market team. He has great credibility both with the players and the owners."

League sources said the owners were unanimous in their support of the players and spent much of their meeting discussing ways in which they could amplify the players' voices.

Many owners, including Jordan, sources said, favored continuing the season, believing that the games were still the best and most visible platform for social change. The owners will meet again later Thursday to discuss specific ways in which they can help the players meet their goals while continuing to compete for an NBA title, as well as to discuss the scheduling of the resumption of play in the bubble.

On Wednesday, the Bucks decided not to take the floor against the Magic in protest of the shooting of Jacob Blake, a Black man who was shot seven times by police Sunday in Kenosha, Wisconsin. That game, along with Oklahoma City Thunder-Rockets and Portland Trail Blazers-Los Angeles Lakers, was later postponed.

Blake's shooting reignited frustrations from the players over incidents they feel are systemic and repeated examples of racial injustice. A number of NBA players contemplated "opting out" of resuming the season to instead focus on protests and heightened awareness of their cause.


The NBA painted "Black Lives Matter" on the courts being used inside the bubble at the Walt Disney World Resort and allowed players to include messages for social justice on their jerseys, but the wounds remain raw. When asked about the Blake shooting and what players could do, Bucks veteran George Hill replied earlier this week, "We can't do anything. First of all, we shouldn't have even came to this damn place, to be honest." A visibly emotional Doc Rivers said Tuesday night, "It's amazing to me why we keep loving this country and this country does not love us back."

Jordan has expressed his admiration to current NBA players for taking such a strong stand on racial issues, team sources said.

Nike announced in July that it will donate $1 million each to the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, the NAACP Empowerment Programs and Black Girls Code. Jordan and Jordan Brand announced their first donations from their 10-year, $100 million pledge on July 29 in support of efforts to combat Black voter suppression. Donations of $1 million went to the Formerly Incarcerated Convicted People and Families Movement and the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund and $500,000 to Black Voters Matter.

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153. "Brian Urlacher reveals himself..."
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https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1299039428070039552?s=20

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155. "analogies are not his thing"
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154. "Hearing the owners agreed to use stadiums for voting "
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I’m good with them coming back

That’s actually progress

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/08/28/907101601/nba-agrees-to-use-arenas-as-polling-places-in-deal-to-resume-playoffs

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156. "The Magic don’t have far to go."
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157. "Snoop is getting that Corona money"
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158. "Melo and CJ are cooking, Lakers defensive intensity is flat "
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Portland can’t stop us at all inside though.

  

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159. "best duo in the league"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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160. "I'm still going Lakers all the way but I won't pretend like I don't have..."
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concerns.

Of course "on paper" we have 2 of the "top 5" players in the league so it shouldn't matter but we'll see.

Bron has been Bron mostly, AD has been great but still shoots a few to many jumpers to my liking. Doesn't seem to have quite enough of that DOG in him that you need in championship caliber big.

The supporting cast is shaky AF. There's a reason why Toronto had basically phased out Danny Green for Fred Van Vleet by the time the Finals rolled around last year.

Kuz has regressed.

The other guys are who they are. Vogel is suspect. If we don't win I hope they slide J-Kidd in his spot or even look at Fizdale.

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161. "nick nurse the adjustment god."
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163. "didnt last long lol."
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162. "Raps look overmatched everywhere. Wow"
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164. "Morris might get that ejection piece"
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166. "Outta here (c)"
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168. "Murray in a zone"
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169. "almost surprised when he misses "
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170. "Dono, c’mon "
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171. "Lol...Jamal wildin. I’m done. This is going to Game 7"
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173. "jamal murray had to have it this evening jack."
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174. "Jazz done. "
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Fussing at each other, kicking and throwing shit.
Cancun on deck.

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175. "itll be interesting to see what curry does from 3 when he comes back."
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176. "chuck pissed lol."
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177. "Utah gotta throw a wrinkle at Murray or something"
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a box&1, trap, double, something. make murray work harder for these buckets.

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178. "Murray doing what Mitchell did in the first two games."
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Tables have turned.

The true key is Clarkson. When Mitchell sits down, with no Bogdonovic, Clarkson has to get off. If he doesn’t, then Utah is screwed,

However, something happened when Conley came back, Ingles disappears when Conley is there. He just flat out disappears. He is avg like 2 or 4 points since the return of Conley. He doesn’t even look for his game.

Utah has to realize that Denver is simply going to Jokic in the first half. Murray cruises, and then turns it on in the 4th.





  

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179. "As badass as Murray was"
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Harris coming back to anchor the D on the 2nd unit was key. Him being able to control Clarkson 1 on 1 allowed Porter to use his length and roam. Previously Porter was getting destroyed on every pick and roll. Plumdawg as well was huge.

  

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180. "Miami is looking problematic for the Bucks. real problematic"
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181. "(long) Zirin interview"
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https://spectrejournal.com/striking-for-racial-justice/

Striking for Racial Justice

Interview With Dave Zirin

Ashley Smith

August 31, 2020

Spectre Managing Editor Ashley Smith interviews sports writer and socialist Dave Zirin about the dramatic NBA players’ strike that shut down the league’s playoffs and quickly spread throughout the rest of professional sports and even into collegiate athletics. Zirin talks about what led to the strike, where it can go from here, and its implications for the Black Lives Matter and labor movements.

Dave Zirin is the sports editor of the Nation. He is also the author of ten books on the politics of sports.
Striking for Racial Justice



//////// We’ve just seen something historic—a political strike led by Black basketball players that triggered strikes in many other sports. Why did they call it a boycott and not a strike? What led to the strike, where do things stand now, and what impact has it had on the sports industry and more broadly? ////////



Let me start with the second part. What led to the strike? Two things—the continuing plague of racist police violence and the fact that NBA players felt increasingly foolish playing on a court that read Black Lives Matter while doing little to protest police violence. That contradiction was clearly weighing on a lot of players after the shooting of Jacob Blake.

Many commented that they felt like frauds for having these slogans on the back of their uniforms, while they just played games as usual. All of them have been in this CVOID bubble in Orlando, hermetically sealed off from everything for a couple of months while the struggle swept the country. That bubble is a very important part of the story.

The NBA players are in this bubble together with the WNBA players, who we have to recognize have always led the way in highlighting social issues. They are all in a dorm-like atmosphere. They’re trapped inside, enduring a lot of boredom during long downtimes. They aren’t going home to their families.

The tension has been very high because players are getting homesick. They’re tired of eating crap, hotel food. But, at the same time, they’re undergoing deep politicization. The players are having conversations that maybe they otherwise wouldn’t have.

All of this was building up even before the police shot Jacob Blake in the back seven times in Kenosha. That act of police brutality triggered the players to strike, but in a surprise to many it cascaded throughout the sports industry. The NBA and WNBA led the way  because they’re leagues dominated by the Black athletes who hold a great deal of power in terms of their profile, politics and ability to communicate to a wide audience.

But what’s amazing is to see a button-down sport like baseball go on strike and then hockey players, yes hockey players, join in. And it’s not just players. Referees staged a march in the Orlando bubble marching. Coaches came out as well. All of this is heartening and it’s a thrilling blow to racism and police violence. It also resets the power dynamics in these sports.

Now the genie is out of the bottle. Players are now making demands of their billionaire bosses to say something and take action and they are getting the bosses to  acquiesce. All of this is revealing how much power the players as workers have in the NBA. The WNBA players have also known this for some time and have exercised their power. But for athletes in other sports, this is an absolute revelation.

Now, why was it called a boycott? This term first came out of some members in the sports media. Players did not use it; they just said, “we’re staying in our locker room. We’re not playing.” The sports media attached the label “boycott” to what the players did because the media has no roots in the labor movement and has no understanding of the differences between a boycott and a strike.

A boycott is when a consumer withholds their buying power as a political statement. That’s not what’s happening in the sports industry. This is a withdrawal of labor, and that’s why “strike” is not only the appropriate term, it’s also politically important to label it correctly. It places what the players did and are doing within the context of labor struggle.



//////// The strike is a qualitative advance compared to the dynamic when Colin Kaepernick began taking a knee. When he started his protest, only a few players sided with him. And, on top of his relative isolation, he was vilified by much of the establishment and has been blackballed from the NFL ever since. What has changed within sports, among its leading radicals and their networks, and more broadly in society that gave the players the courage and determination to strike? ////////



It’s interesting to compare Colin Kaepernick to Muhammad Ali. They both stepped out when few others did. Initially, they were both vilified. Kaepernick was viewed as a cautionary tale of the price you pay if you take a stand—they’ll take away your job.

Now that more have joined the struggle, he’s seen as a hero, as a prophetic trailblazer. And not just by the players. Now even the NFL’s upper management including Roger Goodell have to admit that they were wrong in what they did to Colin Kaepernick.

Remember, Kaepernick first did this in August 2016, a time when the idea of Donald Trump being president was still seen as a long shot. Four years of Trump has exposed that this country does have a problem with systemic racism and therefore that Kaepernick was right to act and that what he did was heroic sacrifice. This has been cemented in the minds of players, especially younger ones who’ve come up in the sports industry under Trump’s rule.

The shift in consciousness is dramatic. I heard a radio interview with Brandon Marshall. He confessed that he now felt shame for not taking a knee with Colin Kaepernick. Now you’ve got LeBron James reading Malcolm X, Jaylen Brown quoting Angela Davis in interviews, and WNBA player Layshia Clarendon drawing on what she learned in her American Studies Program at Berkeley to guide her activism and answers the media’s questions.

The Trump years have politicized a new generation of athletes. They’re engaged in struggles, reading radical books, having conversations like never before, and taking action as workers. Colin Kaepernick was ahead of the curve, but now people are catching up and, with their strike, dramatically advancing the struggle for racial justice.



//////// Has all of this led to the formation of new organizations inside and outside of the player’s unions? What role are they playing in advancing the struggle? ////////



Yes, most definitely, there are informal networks. They’re not the kind of organizations people on the left are all that familiar with—ones where people meet together face to face, talk, figure out strategies like building a rank and file group.

They are less formal and more horizontal. There are group chats and conference calls where people exchange thoughts and ideas for action. And there are organizations like Athletes for Impact. They hold webinars for athletes where they talk about Black freedom studies and civil rights politics. These have been very popular particularly during the pandemic. So, there’s a thirst for learning.

These webinars have triggered conversations among players and helped them begin to develop a common framework and, in the case of the NBA and WNBA, they have begun to bring that into the broader union.



//////// Could you talk a little more the pivotal role played by the WNBA players? It doesn’t get the same airtime as the men because their league has a lower profile. But they have been at the forefront of the struggle like Black women have been in the whole Black Lives Matter movement. What role have the women played? ////////



First and foremost, let’s remember that the first athlete to bring the Black Lives Matter movement to protest the national anthem in sports was two years before Colin Kaepernick. It was Ariyana Smith, a basketball player at Knox College. And before Kaepernick took that knee, the WNBA players started wearing black tee shirts on the court when Alton Sterling and Philando Castile were killed.

They have continued protesting ever since. They started linking arms during the anthem. And they made an agreement that they would only talk to the media about Black liberation and the problems with the so-called criminal justice system no matter what reporters asked them about.

During the restart of this season in the Orlando bubble, the relationships between NBA and WNBA players has gotten much closer than ever before. They use the same courts, hang out in the common spaces, and do promotional events together. The WNBA players have played an important role in radicalizing the male athletes. So, it’s not an accident that the men have demanded justice for Breonna Taylor.

It’s important to understand that the WNBA players have gone through a very different experience in comparison to the men. The WNBA players tend to finish all four years in college and when they graduate even if they play in the WNBA, they all play in other countries’ professional leagues during their “off season” to earn enough money to live on.

That’s completely different than the NBA players. Their experience is professionalized from youth leagues on. They are in a basketball factory. If they’re successful, and most aren’t, they go to college for one or two years and then they’re in NBA. Throughout, the coaches and agents put blinders on the athletes, keep them focused on making it, and caution against taking any kind of stand.

So, in many ways, the WNBA players tend to have a bigger world view. They have been organizing for a while to advance struggles for social justice from abortion rights to LGBTQ equality and Black Lives Matter. They’ve also taken on this hideous Republican Senator Kelly Loffler, who owns the Atlanta Dream and who is, just an absolute right wing Trumpite. They told her you don’t belong in our league. All their activism has had a catalytic effect on the NBA players.



//////// One of the things that was particularly noticeable has been the participation of white athletes in the struggle. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar called attention to this in his article in The Guardian. Talk about the significance of the multiracial solidarity in the strike, even in sports where there are very few athletes of color like hockey and soccer. What does it mean for anti-racist organizing and players unions? ////////



I think it’s a striking reflection of what we’ve seen in the streets since the murder of George Floyd. There were demonstrations in all 50 states including overwhelmingly white ones like Idaho, Wyoming, and Vermont. I read one story about a demonstration in one town where there was literally one black resident, but there were dozens of white people out in the streets.

Just today I drove by a corner where about 20 white people were protesting with signs that said things like “white silence is violence.” One of my favorites was one that said, “if my feminism isn’t intersectional, then my feminism is bullshit.” I had to slow down my car to read that one!

The Black Lives Matter movement has changed people, including white athletes. One example is the Milwaukee Brewer’s Josh Hader. He’s an all-star pitcher. He was almost run out of the league in 2018 when old racists tweets he wrote in 2011 got unearthed. After that he did an apology tour, which many didn’t think was all that sincere.

After the cops shot Jacob Blake in Kenosha, which is only 45 minutes from Milwaukee, Hader was the one front and center saying, “we’re not going to play.” He was the first person on the Brewers to hit the microphone and lead the team to strike. His transformation shows that struggle changes people.

The other sport made up of almost all white athletes that’s worth talking about is hockey. It has a history of racism. So, when the NBA and everyone else struck, hockey coaches and executives were asked, “why aren’t you guys joining the action?”

They responded, “well, I don’t even know what’s happening in Kenosha. I don’t even care. What does that have to do with our world?” But the players reacted to this with so much anger that the league was forced to cancel games in the Stanley Cup playoffs.



//////// How has the strike impacted international sports? One thing that stands out since the murder of George Floyd is the international nature of the protest; people have marched in mass numbers throughout the world. Have there been similar developments in the wide world of sports? ////////



Yes, most definitely. Players have taken a knee and worn t-shirts in soccer and rugby. I’m not sure about cricket! So, it’s spread throughout the world just like in the broader movement. I’m not aware at this point of any strikes that have taken place.

It’s interesting to think about the question of the international character of the struggle against racism in sports and in general. I was interviewing the great NBA player and activist from the eighties and nineties, Craig Hodges. He’s been around the Milwaukee Bucks and he’s been impressed by the leadership of Giannis Antetokounmpo, who grew up in Greece.

Hodges pointed out how international the question of racism is. Giannis Antetokounmpo and his family had to deal with the fascist right in Greece. Many athletes of color deal with such threats and racism throughout the world, especially in European soccer. So, this is not just about solidarity; players in other countries have a stake in this struggle.



//////// Turning back to the US. I think this is the first political strike yet for racial justice since the murder of George Floyd. Certainly, it is the highest profile political strike yet. But it has occurred among the best paid and irreplaceable workers in the sports industry. What potential does it have to spread to unpaid workers in collegiate and high school athletics? ////////



First and foremost, we have to remember that, the year before Colin Kaepernick took a knee in 2015, athletes at University of Missouri went on strike, withholding their labor over racism. They struck demanding that the president of the school should be fired. And they won, when Tim Wolfe resigned. So, there’s a precedent for labor action among unpaid workers.

But I think it’s important to recognize the contradiction these athletes find themselves in. College players in the revenue producing sports are the most powerful and at the same time most powerless of all workers. They’re powerless because they have no union and therefore no means to collectively bargain over the terms of their exploitation. But they’re also powerful because so much of the modern neoliberal campus depends on the revenues that flow from their labor.

That’s why the University of Missouri’s president could be forced out so quickly. The football team’s strike was going to cost the school over $1 million a week. With stakes that high, the team was able to boot the president overnight, when weeks of protest had achieved very little. This shows the power of striking.

It’s difficult to judge where things are headed this fall because COVID has cancelled college sports for several of the big leagues. But, in perhaps a sign of things to come, Black college athletes in the Big 10 and PAC 12 organized this summer after the murder of George Floyd. They put forward their own demands, which drew the connections between COVID and police racism, two forces putting their lives at risk.

But now their leagues are shut down, so we won’t see them strike this fall. But in other conferences, we have begun to see action. For example, Boston College—one of the more conservative schools in the country—announced that they were cancelling their football practice as part of the protest movement.



//////// What about the NFL? Many of the NFL bosses are aligned with Trump and banned Colin Kaepernick from the league. Already they were beginning to squirm in the wake of the uprising after the police murder of George Floyd. You had the “owner who must not be named” of the Dallas Cowboys issuing utterly confusing statements. Now the league is scheduled to start playing. What’s going to happen in the NFL? ////////



Well, that “owner who must not be named” just did a press conference, talking about how he and his team want to be part of the solution to racism. You said the NFL bosses were squirming; it was more of a full-on wiggle. While they’re aligned with Trump, they also are dependent on indispensable Black labor. And those Black workers, which comprises 70 percent of the players, are pissed off.

The NFL bosses are desperate to figure out how to manage that contradiction. So, the Baltimore Ravens put out a remarkable statement that came out of a four hour meeting that the players had with management. The Ravens’ statement on the team’s letterhead declared that this country was built on slavery and has been plagued with institutional racism.

Let me be clear, this is not from the players, not from the union, but from the Baltimore Ravens corporation. They went on to call for the arrest of the officers in the Breonna Taylor and the Jacob Blake case cases and demand that Senate President Mitch McConnell bring the George Floyd Police Reform Act up for a vote in the Senate. And, just like the NBA teams are doing, the Ravens will be opening up their stadium as a location where people can vote in an open space with more room for social distancing.

I think you’re going to see more statements from more teams like this one from the Ravens. They’ll do everything they can to head off a strike in the NFL. Who knows what’s going to happen? Already when the Seahawks’ Russell Wilson—who’s not exactly a fire breathing radical—was asked if he had a game this Sunday would he play. He scrunched up his face and said, “absolutely not. Of course, I would not play with what’s happening.”

But it’s not at all clear if the NFL bosses will be able to appease the players. Why? Because the question for them is the same one for everyone in the movement, what’s going to happen with the police? They show no signs of stopping their reign of terror. If they don’t stop their brutality and racist killing spree, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the NFL players would strike.



//////// One other question about sports before asking you about the broader meaning of the NBA strike for the labor movement. I have been stunned by the shift in sports media over the last decade from basically low-frequency racism to now nonstop discussions and debates about racism in American society. That culminated in one of the most stunning things I’ve ever seen on live TV—Kenny Smith putting down the mic and walking off the set in the midst of a live broadcast in solidarity with a player’s political strike against racism. What impact is the NBA strike having through the media on broader consciousness? ////////



Well, the media like our society is polarized. Unlike ten years ago when it was just, as you put it, low-frequency racism, a lot of jock talk, a lot of what I would call empty calories, it’s now polarized. There is now a hard right wing sports media that’s infected with racism.

Our side of the media polarization is undergoing a rapid left wing politicization. It is discussing real questions about racism, the strike, and whether this can spread to other industries. They’re asking fundamental questions about how do you transform society and what role can athletes play in that struggle? A lot of people in the sports media have become politicized just by following the movement among players.

Sports media, especially radio, is by its nature oppositional, whether they’re talking about which players should or should not start this week or whether a team’s coaches should be fired or not. So, they are forced by the nature of what they do to take a position for or against the strike. The question then becomes which side are you on?

They can’t just go on the radio and give some sort of cloudy, soft, hazy overview of what’s taken place. They actually have to have an opinion about it. That’s forcing a lot of them to take sides. Some of it’s very ugly and some of it is, I mean, beautiful, absolutely beautiful.

Kenny Smith is one example. But I initially thought “oh no! Don’t leave Kenny!” Why? Because he so good politically. But he’s on the set with Charles Barkley, who’s said incredibly rightwing things about Black Lives Matter, and Shaquille O’Neil, who is actually a volunteer sheriff. So, there was a part of me that was saying, “Kenny stay on the set so that Charles and Shaq don’t dominate the discussion.”

At the same time, I think Kenny walking off was a powerful act that will stand the test of time. It was amazing. But I think the most important thing on the media was by Chris Webber. He spoke with tears in his voice and said, “you can’t just say vote, vote, vote to marginalized communities, if you’re not also taking on systemic racism and police impunity.”

I thought that was really powerful because so much of the struggle and even the strike itself is being redirected into voting for candidates who don’t take on those systemic problems. Chris Webber was speaking for people who are part of the 50 percent that don’t vote in this country because they don’t see it as a means to change much of anything.

He was speaking for those people who don’t have a microphone to speak for themselves. He was the true voice for the voiceless when he talked about the emptiness of calling for people to vote if you’re not dealing with poverty, if you’re not dealing with racism.



//////// What you just said is so important. I think that this uprising has done more to change consciousness and awareness of the structures of racial and class inequality in our society than anything in recent memory. And I think sometimes in all the discussion of electoral politics, the role of struggle gets left out. How do you think this new wave of struggle has changed politics in our society? ////////



It’s changed consciousness in fundamental ways. We’ve had demonstrations in all 50 states—the biggest number of protests in history and the largest numbers of people on protests in history. But we have not seen fundamental changes at all. So, when these demonstrations also don’t bear nearly the fruit relative to the sacrifice, particularly in the context of COVID that people are taking to the streets, it breeds not only a deep, deep frustration and anger, but also people looking for answers.

I know a lot of people thought, when several of the cities went up in flames, maybe this will be the answer. But that’s not wresting reforms out of the system. Even worse, it’s triggering a violent reaction from cops and the fascist militias. So, people are recognizing the need for a better strategy.

I think that by striking the players are showing what the alternative strategy would be. We must realize, as Craig Hodges said to me, “we’re never going to out militarize the most militarized culture in the world.” But what we can do is withhold our labor, and bring the system to a halt, just like these athletes have brought their leagues to a halt.



//////// In that context, it’s impossible not to compare this revolt of Black athletes to the last one back in the 1960s. What similarities and differences stand out in your mind? ////////



The greatest difference between the two revolts is that the great rebel athletes of the late sixties tended to be in individual sports like Muhammad Ali in boxing, John Carlos and Tommie Smith in track and field, and Arthur Ashe and Billie Jean King in tennis. That generation of athletes were not in team sports for the most part and those that were did not organize their teams to take action.

Today it’s very different. We have undergone a massive expansion of team sports, and radicalized athletes in those team sports are now playing the leading role and they are organizing their teams to take action. They are pulling along players who maybe aren’t so radical. They put pressure on people on the margins who really feel like they are out of step with reality and need to get their shit together. They start saying to themselves “you know, I can’t be the racist guy in the room here.”

Another difference is the power of social media. Back in the 1960s, radical athletes faced a real problem of how to get their messages out. They had no one to text. They had no Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. I mean, how many phone calls could they make?

On top of that, most of the sports journalists were not sympathetic, so they would distort everything you said and demonize you. There were only a handful of left wing sports journalists. Imagine if Ali didn’t have Howard Cosell! And there was only one Howard Cosell and he couldn’t be there for everybody.

Today, players can use social media to get around the sports media filter and get their message out quickly. They can spread their story at the touch of a button to their teammates, different sports, and the public.

Finally, this generation of Black athletes are ready to upset the sports industry in a way that not even athletes in the late sixties were. They are done with being adored when they’re on the field and treated like nothing when they’re off of it. We’ve finally reached a generation of athletes who are no longer willing to put up with that contradiction and they’re willing to strike to overcome it.



//////// The amazing thing is how much popular support there is for this new militancy. A YouGov Poll found that 57 percent of Americans supported the Milwaukee Bucks’ strike. In many ways, Black athletes are leading the labor movement to take on racism. What does their strike mean for the broader labor movement? Will other unions and union federations move into action now? ////////



I’m wary to make predictions about anything right now. There is clearly a massive push to coopt these struggles. Organizations want to head off strikes so they are putting out statements like the one we discussed before from the Baltimore Ravens. President Obama intervened in the NBA players’ situation when they were debating sitting out the season and advised them to go back to work and shift the focus into electoralism and start a social justice committee.

So, the powers of cooptation see how dangerous this is to the established order of things and are rushing to intervene, to make it more moderate in a time when moderation is not going to do the trick. That said, if anyone told me a couple of weeks ago that the hockey and baseball teams were going out on strike against racism, I would have told them they were crazy.

I mean, just a week ago, baseball commentators were arguing that someone shouldn’t hit a grand slam in the ninth inning because it’s against the way we do things in the sport. And then baseball players struck! So, who knows what’s going to happen?

I do think that players going on strike is like an electric prod to many parts of the labor movement. I received a flurry of phone calls from people in the labor movement that night when it happened asking if I knew how to get through to Chris Paul or Andre Iguodala.

Some of them are talking about proposals like organizing a general strike against racism that before seemed completely out to lunch. Now, none of this may happen, because of the union leaderships’ conservatism and the lack of rank and file organization. But that people are talking about it is significant.

It poses a different kind of solution to a problem that we are all recognizing—that workers striking has the potential to fix a society that is fundamentally broken. That’s a new development of revolutionary significance. Because, truth be told, the labor movement in a broad sense has not been a force against Trumpism and has not been a force in the Black Lives Matter movement. Of course, there are exceptions, but labor in general has been dormant at this critical moment in our history.

What the players are saying to rank and file workers and union officials is “it does not have to be this way.” From my anecdotal experience, it sent a shock through a lot of people in the labor movement. I’m talking about people from teachers to postal workers, and nurses.

There have been struggles and strikes in the context of COVID, but they’ve been strikes for survival. But the players strike was different; it was a strike for somebody else’s survival—a family member or member of your union. It raised the idea that unions could use their power to transform all of society.

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