BrooklynWHAT Member since Jun 15th 2007 85075 posts
Thu Feb-27-20 03:53 PM
4. "yeah cause it was known from jump that AK was a thing cause she was hot" In response to Reply # 3 Thu Feb-27-20 03:54 PM by BrooklynWHAT
ultimately her wave was harmless. she never had to be or tried to be anything but the hot girl that could smack a ball around a little.
Maria wasn't nearly as good looking, and while she did have a good run she's a proven cheater, and was propped up to be some sort of legitimate adversary of a GOAT just cause she had a hot minute.
The men play more sets. They can play up to 5 sets. The woman three Also better rivals and competition.
Serena is one of the GOATS. I still have Steff right there. But this era is highly diluted in competition. Serena’s competition retired
Hingis, capriati , henin all had some serious success against Serena. They were no cakewalk for her.
Against Hingis: 7-6, Serena winning 7 Henin beat Serena in three straight majors , and had had a 4-3 winning record in grand slam matches. And 4-1 on clay
Hingis and henin couldn’t get over injuries. And cap got old
Once they left , no real comp for Serena. She is still the greatest but not facing comp like Fed until now . Now she is facing some serious young comp and you see how hard it is.
So she is getting right pay compared to Fed and the top men.
8. "hasnt he been more active and won more titles?" In response to Reply # 7
obviously the lion share of their net worth is gonna come from endorsements and partnerships over their career purses/fees. so no doubt white/male privilege is gonna come into play. but there are some other factors at play too.
mens tennis overall is just a bigger draw with a larger consumer base (men buy more athletic apparel, equipment, etc). plus federer has high profile rivalries (rafa/djoker) that consistently draws in a ton of interest/ticket sales/ad dollars/etc.
and dont forget tennis is a sport with an international audience and consumer base too. as big as serena is to american tennis...federer is most likely a bigger star in a lot of overseas markets. japanese company uniqlo signed him to a huge deal a while ago that even nike couldnt match.
if you can sell products across the entire globe then companies are gonna offer you more money (look at soccer stars).
10. "has be been 2x more active and won 2x more titles?" In response to Reply # 8
>obviously the lion share of their net worth is gonna come >from endorsements and partnerships over their career >purses/fees. so no doubt white/male privilege is gonna come >into play.
this was my point re: privilege
> but there are some other factors at play too.
of course there are....
>mens tennis overall is just a bigger draw with a larger >consumer base (men buy more athletic apparel, equipment, etc). > plus federer has high profile rivalries (rafa/djoker) that >consistently draws in a ton of interest/ticket sales/ad >dollars/etc. > >and dont forget tennis is a sport with an international >audience and consumer base too. as big as serena is to >american tennis...federer is most likely a bigger star in a >lot of overseas markets. japanese company uniqlo signed him >to a huge deal a while ago that even nike couldnt match. > >if you can sell products across the entire globe then >companies are gonna offer you more money (look at soccer >stars).
bruh. all that is what it is. and i hope you can see you are actually proving MY point. what you are describing is a structure that supports and indemnifies the privilege we are talking about, making a weird chicken egg thing
if you treat serena and her version of the sport as second class entertainment, its gonna be viewed/treated as second-class entertainment
using her dominance as a negative is weird to me. She has less value because she's been out there killing it for a couple decades?
part of the reason you can "sell products across the globe" is because people across the globe have biases
this is what get Federer, Kournikova and cheating-a$$ Sharapova over. Folks would rather see lily white them than un-repentantly Black Serena on an ad for ______. So advertisers pay them more. Same thing happens in pretty much all sports.
you totally downplayed Serena as significant (popular) to American tennis primarily - she's way more than that. and SHOULD be way more than she is. She is arguably the GREATEST *EVER* even after overcoming all the bull she has (and still does) have to deal with
from a historical significance standpoint, she isn't worth half as much as Federer (who I'm NOT painting as a bum by any stretch)
i'm legit shocked we are having this as a point of contention
12. "RE: has be been 2x more active and won 2x more titles?" In response to Reply # 10
I see. You’re referring to endorsements. Your original post wasn’t clear. I thought you were referring to earnings from playing tennis.
In regards to endorsements, yes she should be on the same footing as the men.
But not winnings, because the men play more sets and matches.
However, I think the reason Serena does not get endorsements is because she is perceived as controversial. And she brings social justice issues into the tennis circle, and that’s not marketable. It’s the same problem that I have with Colin Kap.
When black players like Jim Brown and Bill Russell were fighting for equality, they did it off the field. They never brought it to the basketball court or football field, because there were no issues there. Hell, Jim Brown used to go on talk shows and have political and social debates with known white racist leaders, and do tons of protesting and marches, but never on the field. The realms are separate. You just can’t yell and scream anywhere. And I think that Hurts Serena the most.
She definitely has been given the angry black woman reputation and stereotype.
9. "the essence of white privilege is transforming mediocrity to excellence" In response to Reply # 5
roger federer is a legendary champion for all times.
staying focused on sharapova and serena, shara was hyped up to be something that she never was, was exposed as a cheater, and allowed to bow gracefully out.
serena (and venus) and her journey has been underappreciated by non-black circles despite her dominance and brilliance. Her physical prowess has been mocked in derogatory fashion. Had she EVER been caught doing ANYTHING, EVERY SINGLE ACCOMPLISHMENT would have been nullified.
>half that > >that's white AND male privledge > >so, yeah > >i can't stand shaprapova either, but lets not go nuts
13. "Federer isn't really relevant to this discussion" In response to Reply # 11
>>roger federer is a legendary champion for all times. > >I'd also posit that the essence of privilege is ALSO, taking >EXCELLENCE and weighing it differently purely by convenience >or preference > >in this case: taking two great examples > >but saying one has 100% more value than the other because: > >fuzzy reasons? > i'm well aware of MALE on top of white privilege, but this was about sharapova retiring. there are probably at least 5 male tennis players whose earnings pass Serena's, nevermind their conduct which didn't come under the same scrutiny that hers has.
Just not sure why the insistence on bringing that up now when Serena's contemporary was the topic.
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