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"Motorsports 2020- Living life a quarter mile at a time..."


  

          

NASCAR gets underway with a big smash-em-up that sends Ryan Newman to the hospital in a horrific crash. Congrats to Denny Hamlin for the win, I suppose.

F1 testing started this week. The last year of the current regs. Can Mercedes run the table and win every championship under the current regs? Hamilton was fastest on the hard compound tires yesterday, but lap times mean nothing in testing, as Ferrari clearly learned last year. The most interesting bits so far are Racing Point's 'duplicate' of Mercedes' W10 of 2019, which is sure to get the midfield frights (Perez seems to be getting along with the car pretty well in testing) and Mercedes trick new steering system which looks to mechanically change the toe angle on the steering. It doesn't change the suspension though, so it adheres to the letter of the law (though maybe not the spirit). Whether it is a serious advantage or a gimmick that could fail at the worst moment remains to be seen. Either way, 7 for 7 will be the goal for the Silver Arrows this year.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
That was the worst crash I've seen in a long time.
Feb 20th 2020
1
I thought for sure Newman was dead
Feb 20th 2020
2
The trick Merceded DAS system may not be legal in 2021
Feb 21st 2020
3
Winter testing is a wrap. As usual, we know nothing
Feb 28th 2020
4
Watched it over the last few days.
Mar 02nd 2020
5
      Definitely a show to get fans into it, not so much fans already of F1
Mar 03rd 2020
6
      it's fucking beautiful
Mar 03rd 2020
7
      I get bored with the storylines
Mar 14th 2020
10
RE: Motorsports 2020- Living life a quarter mile at a time...
Mar 03rd 2020
8
So....racing in June?
Mar 14th 2020
9
F1 replaying old races. Full 2014 Bahrain up now
Mar 29th 2020
11
We're still not racing, but things are happening
May 12th 2020
12
even covid can't stop the silly season
May 12th 2020
13
ricciardo to mclaren in 2021 is official
May 14th 2020
14
Sainz getting Vettel's Ferrari seat followed that pretty quickly
May 14th 2020
15
Well, that escalated quickly...
May 15th 2020
16
Happy 4th of July F1
Jun 02nd 2020
17
It's almost here! This might be the return I care most about
Jun 29th 2020
18
      Wonder if they run that scheme all year
Jun 29th 2020
19
           RE: Wonder if they run that scheme all year
Jun 29th 2020
20
                If another team did it it may be worse
Jun 30th 2020
21
                     the color scheme does look fucking sick on the track my god
Jul 08th 2020
24
First full practice and quali of the season
Jul 04th 2020
22
Quite a race.
Jul 07th 2020
23
After that first 'silly' race, we got some more silly season sorta
Jul 08th 2020
25
Eff Red Bull
Jul 08th 2020
26
Them Petronas boys are fast
Jul 12th 2020
27
nice bit of driving by lando at the end
Jul 12th 2020
28
      lol...that's about the size of it.
Jul 13th 2020
29
Lewis >>>>>>>
Jul 19th 2020
30
Schumacher’s records are going down
Jul 19th 2020
31
First 49: meh. Last 3: holy crap.
Aug 02nd 2020
32
That was terrifying as a Mercedes fan
Aug 02nd 2020
33
I haven't watched yet, but red bull seems outwardly
Aug 03rd 2020
34
      Yeah, I can't really criticize them. On any other day, it's a no-brainer...
Aug 03rd 2020
35
           finally watched it
Aug 03rd 2020
36
F1 was cool enough to notice a number pattern with Moto GP
Aug 10th 2020
37
Petronas can't win 'em all
Aug 11th 2020
38
      Agree on all counts. Vettel has given up and Ferrari is annoyed with him...
Aug 11th 2020
39
           Max is a shoe in. Alex? Eh...
Aug 11th 2020
40
                Max is an absolute jerk but he is fun to watch...
Aug 11th 2020
41
                     red bull has the same "problem" mercedes has
Aug 11th 2020
42
One more Schummacher record down for the count
Aug 19th 2020
43
My favorite track, and the most boring race so far
Aug 30th 2020
44
RE: My favorite track, and the most boring race so far
Aug 31st 2020
45
I don't think it's just the engine.
Aug 31st 2020
46
      Its a two part problem. But engine is definitely a big problem
Aug 31st 2020
47
           they have no power and no downforce you hate to see it
Aug 31st 2020
48
Monza was fun!!!!
Sep 08th 2020
49
I have more fun seeing hamilton win
Sep 08th 2020
50
That was one hell of a race
Sep 08th 2020
51
RE: That was one hell of a race
Sep 09th 2020
52
VET to Racing Point/Aston Martin, PER out.
Sep 10th 2020
53
RE: VET to Racing Point/Aston Martin, PER out.
Sep 11th 2020
54
A Haas team that isn't a comedy of errors and potentially doesn't suck.....
Sep 11th 2020
55
vettel on that team could be a shot in the arm for both parties
Sep 12th 2020
56
Wreck-fest.
Sep 14th 2020
57
2 red flags in one race? And it's dry? Insane
Sep 15th 2020
58
      albon still going around the outside
Sep 15th 2020
59
      my BIG q is if lawrence stroll is going to put his son in the shittier c...
Sep 15th 2020
60
           Won't matter, He's still going to be the lesser driver
Sep 16th 2020
61

Buck
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1. "That was the worst crash I've seen in a long time."
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I felt sick Monday night, like a lot of people. Thought for sure that last hit by LaJoie must have killed Newman, or at least paralyzed him. Absolutely amazing he walked out that hospital yesterday.

That said, while I love racin', I'm done with Daytona and Talladega. I don't like 25-car wrecks, and I don't like what happened Monday night.

F1-wise, I just want Williams to not be horrible.

Glad you made this post, btw.

  

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2. "I thought for sure Newman was dead"
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spenzalii
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3. "The trick Merceded DAS system may not be legal in 2021"
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https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.mercedes-trick-das-steering-system-wont-be-legal-under-2021-f1-rules.6RuPl5v6j2YZyOp91yWhSq.html

If Mercedes took the R&D time and budget to make a trick steering setup that can only be used for one year just because screw the other teams, that's incredibly ballsy. Makes you wonder how confident they must be in their 2021 setup, which all bets are off for everyone.

I would love to see them go 7 for 7 with the current regs. Winter testing means jack, but so far, it's promising.

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4. "Winter testing is a wrap. As usual, we know nothing"
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Ferrari was supposedly taking things a little conservatively to sort some things out, so may not have showed true pace. Whether they are actually slower than RB and Petronas is yet to be seen. Tons of scuttlebutt over Racing Point's RP20/W09. If it is in fact a knock off of last year's car, this will make the mid field even sillier. Either that or Stroll now stands a chance to get out of Q1. Haas feels like they are still tripping over their own feet. Williams actually looked semi-competent, though any improvement over last year is a huge win.

Green flag drops in 2 weeks. Just enough time to watch the latest season of Drive to Survive on Netflix. The behind the scenes at the German race has been all the buzz so far. Should be a good watch

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Jay: Aretha Franklin.
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5. "Watched it over the last few days."
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Drive to Survive, that is. As with the last series, the race footage is superb. What I didn't like is how much time they spent on the negative, downer stories of the year. I get that they're trying to make the content match the title, and show the human-interest side of the sport, but at the end I felt like it was all about:

- Haas sucking
- Hulk losing his seat
- Gasly losing his seat
- Williams sucking

Did like the long section on Albon, though.

They kind of beat those stories to death. And while I do really like Will Buxton, there are a lot of other commentators I wouldn't have minded hearing from.

All that said, the series wasn't really aimed at me, but more at attracting more casual sports fans to follow F1 specifically. And I do appreciate that F1 is trying to shed the Bernie-era aura of arrogance. Nice to have all these young drivers who don't come off as pricks, the way a lot of drivers used to.

  

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6. "Definitely a show to get fans into it, not so much fans already of F1"
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Those that watch the sport pretty much knew most of the storylines from each race, good and bad. The series serves to flesh them out a bit (I knew Williams was in a bad spot, but not THAT bad). And yeah, you have to form a narrative to pull people in, and what better way to play up drama and loud cursing personalities and frame it like a soap opera.

But the footage is awesome. The ariel tracking shot of Bottas losing it in Germany was fantastic

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Jay: Aretha Franklin.
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7. "it's fucking beautiful"
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as far as the storylines, yeah it's really for non-fans.

my wife does not care about anything related to any sport anywhere (she once tried to kick izzo out of his own locker room bc she didn't know who he was. at his own university)

and she was all-in on both seasons just because of the way it's formatted

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10. "I get bored with the storylines"
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but yeah...it's worth it just to watch the races from all angles. beautiful stuff.

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8. "RE: Motorsports 2020- Living life a quarter mile at a time..."
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So the impact of this virus is hitting Moto GP already this weekend, might give a bit of context to what's upcoming with F1 possibly. They've cancelled the early season Thai GP, but have also cancelled the Premier class race of the opener at Qatar this weekend due to travel restrictions placed on Italians, which I guess represents too much of the Moto GP field and factory team members. Only Moto 2 and 3. No one's talking about Italian GPs yet, some of these hot spots could be interesting.

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9. "So....racing in June?"
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Got to figure the next 3 races (Bahrain, Vietnam, China) are off the books. Shame the inaugural Vietnam race has to be a wash, but health first, full stop. Things may possibly be better in May, but whether Spain and Monaco will be viable is unknown. A short season will make the end of this era of regulations interesting. Whomever wins the championship will have their work cut out for them.

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Game: Like Gladys Knight.
Jay: Aretha Franklin.
Game: Word, I like her too.
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11. "F1 replaying old races. Full 2014 Bahrain up now"
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Easy to forget how much farther Mercedes was to everyone else when the new regs came through. 3rd race of the season and it seemed like every lap Hamilton and Rosberg were another second plus ahead of 3rd place. By lap 15 the gap between Rosberg anr Perez (2-3) was 18 seconds. Every team has since made gains in either the PU or aero department, but to see how much farther Mercedes was from everyone else is pretty shocking

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Game: Like Gladys Knight.
Jay: Aretha Franklin.
Game: Word, I like her too.
Jay: Nigga...

  

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12. "We're still not racing, but things are happening"
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Ferrari and Vettel have announced they are parting ways at the end of the 2020 season (whatever that ends up amounting to). It feels like a bit of a surprise right now, though not completely unforeseen, but he was talking about how he expected to still be there at least past 2020 if only for one year not too long ago. An open Ferrari seat definitely sets silly season off and running nice and early.

Williams won a Virtual GP lol

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13. "even covid can't stop the silly season"
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14. "ricciardo to mclaren in 2021 is official"
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15. "Sainz getting Vettel's Ferrari seat followed that pretty quickly"
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Silly season is moving pretty fast.

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16. "Well, that escalated quickly..."
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Ferrari made a good move for the future. Sainz and leclerc should serve the prancing horse for a while, as neither have reached their peak. Team dynamic should be better than with Vettel as well.

Danny moving to Mclaren is interesting, but probably smart. Even though the rumor has been Renault will be on point with the new regs, their PU still has issues (which really puzzled me when he moved from RB to end up using the same unreliable engine and trans). With Mclaren having the aero back on track AND using Mercedes power, that could be a very dangerous combination. Assuming things work better for the Woking team than when they were on Honda power, they also set themselves up nicely to jump the midfield.

So... does Vettel retire? A scenario with Petronas dumping Bottas and giving Vettel the seat sounds stupid. I can't see him running with Renault, unless there's something huge up their sleeve that either Danny didn't know or didn't care about. Could The Hulk come back to Renault next year?

Silly season indeed, before we turn a wheel in competition this year...

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17. "Happy 4th of July F1"
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8 races on tap, with two back to backs (Red Bull Ring & Silverstone), which is weird. Unless they are trying to work with the 14 day quarantine rule some countries have? Who knows. No spectators, which will make Parc Ferme strange.

Still, with a compressed season and such a long layoff it will be interesting to see is the status quo holds up or if this ends up being the extreme silly season.

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Jay: Look here homie, any nigga can get a hit record. This here is about respect.
Game: Like Gladys Knight.
Jay: Aretha Franklin.
Game: Word, I like her too.
Jay: Nigga...

  

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18. "It's almost here! This might be the return I care most about"
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Also, Mercedes running black livery instead of silver feels sorta badass, at least just in the sense of what it will feel like to see that on the grid and know it's Lewis in one of those cars.

I never really had an opinion one way or another or F1 ownership in the past, but Bernie's trash comments would've been even more problematic if he was still running things.

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19. "Wonder if they run that scheme all year"
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Too bad they don't run alt colors in F1. Switching between the two would be fire.

That said, can't help but feel like it's semi-pandering to Lewis. At the same time, it's a symbolic gesture that looks fire and will move more merch, so...winning?

Whatever, just bring the season on. More excited for qualis on Saturday than fireworks.

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Game: Like Gladys Knight.
Jay: Aretha Franklin.
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20. "RE: Wonder if they run that scheme all year"
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It's definitely hard to call on 'pandering' right now, but he's got Mercedes talking about this stuff, and F1, so hopefully the things they're announcing about seeking more diversity bears fruit in the future. They can't all run black livery so it makes sense for them to be the one to present that image at least, imagine if another team beat them to that punch! I hope they keep it all season, I think changing the team colours will feel pretty impactful on the grid, it's a bit different than some of the team sports stuff you see where the bench might be wearing black shirts but the jerseys don't actually change.

Hopefully Mercedes is ready for Austria this year too, after the struggles the last two years. Or else he better kill it on Silverstone's two weekends.

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21. "If another team did it it may be worse"
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I mean, Lewis is a unicorn. If any team would support BLM in a big way it would have to be Petronas. I don't think you change your car's color scheme for a crew member in Woking. WHatever. It's a good look for the team, symbolic or not, and the car should look sick on track.

As for the race... having the first 2 races on Red Bull's home track does worry me. The last 2 years have not been kind to Mercedes, for sure. But I think if they sorted out their cooling they may have a chance. The next 3 races should be successes if, say, they have one good and one bad race in Austria. Been such a long window between winter testing and now there's no telling where any team is. While the Red Bull Ring may be a better opener for racing than Melbourne, it's anyone's game.

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24. "the color scheme does look fucking sick on the track my god"
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22. "First full practice and quali of the season"
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Felt really weird with nobody in the stands, but just seeing the cars out there was great. Ferrari definitely has problems. Bad aero? No cheater engine? Probably a little of both. Vettel not making Q3 was a bit of a shock.

Those Petronas boys look fast. Like, quite a bit of pace away from the field fast. Not quite 2014 disparity, but definitely it's their race to lose. Racing Point is going to scare the midfield, as they had the pace. Just not quite enough development of the car, so it was fast but Perez and Stroll had to wrestle the car, whereas Mercedes was pretty stable (trick steering notwithstanding). Just wait to see what McLaren can do with Mercedes power next year...

A few more hours to go. Green, Green, Green....

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23. "Quite a race."
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Not sure we learned anything, except that Merc is still fast and everybody else has reliability problems. But glad for McLaren, looking quick, bummed for Max, and thinking that Seb just doesn't wanna be out there at all this season.

Glad they're back at the Ring again next week. Track does seem to produce good racing, for some reason.

  

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25. "After that first 'silly' race, we got some more silly season sorta"
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Well, the Alonso return is actually happening, with Renault signing him to replace Ricciardo. That's always been my personal favourite place to cheer for Alonso, and it's another spot Vettel can't fill.

Despite it eventually going to shit for Hamilton a little, having some excitement at the end of the race helped entertainment purposes. I hope the Mercs solved their 'electrical noise' problem, even if they still both finished well enough.

I wish Albon would just get his own safe, clean pass in for a podium for his own sake somehow. He always makes room for someone else's special day though.

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26. "Eff Red Bull"
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They are gonna be petty with everything this year. Karma came and bit them on the a$$ with 3 of 4 of their cars not finishing, Max first (I cackled at that).

I do feel bad for Albon though. It had to be Hamilton again, right? I think if the spin didn't drop him so far back he may not have got the penalty, but who knows. I'd have called a racing incident, but I can't be mad at the decision either. What I AM mad about is not keeping up the pace and letting Norris snatch the podium by the skin of his teeth (but happy Norris got his first podium. The elation he and his team showed was great).

Overall, really fun way to start the season. Mercedes is stupid fast, but they probably got the strategy wrong (not pitting for softs was probably not a great idea, and may have kept Hamilton far enough from Albin that he wouldn't have been in a position to have been passed). Either Ferrari has some pace in the car, or LeClerc managed to drag the car much further up the ladder than should have been possible (like Lewis in 2013). McLaren is going to be quite a problem next year.

And I'd bet money Hemilton gets the win Sunday. No chance they let the same issues and strategy undo the race Sunday.

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27. "Them Petronas boys are fast"
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Lewis again showed he's near peerless in the wet beating Max by over a second and then running away with the win by 13 seconds over the field. After dropping to 4th last week you knew he would be on it this week, and he did not disappoint.

Ferrari, WTF? 2 races in, your engine is slow, your aero is crap, and your drivers can't stay off each other? Horrible week for them to be sure. The power deficit almost confirms they were cheating last year, but the aero issues are a much bigger issue. This may be one of the most difficult seasons for them in years.

Midfield battle was insane between McLaren, Pink Mercedes and Danny Boy. 5 - 8 were under a second apart.

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28. "nice bit of driving by lando at the end"
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and lewis is lewis.

he's the champ and everybody else isn't.

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29. "lol...that's about the size of it."
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>he's the champ and everybody else isn't.

  

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30. "Lewis >>>>>>>"
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it really feels like a shumacher throwback now. the best driver is in the best car and everybody else is just out there.

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31. "Schumacher’s records are going down"
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It’s really looking like a 2 car race this season, as the Black Arrows are faster than everyone else. 2 races in and Hamilton has been in his own league.

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32. "First 49: meh. Last 3: holy crap."
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I mean, they couldn't have known Lewis tire would go, but damned if RBR ain't throw a win away with that fastest lap pit stop.

In related news, Pirelli has some explaining to do.

Seb, man. Kinda making me sad.

  

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33. "That was terrifying as a Mercedes fan"
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There's word it could also have been debris from Kimi's wing that broke of that caused the issues. All the tires were in bad shape but apparently there's onboards that may show issues when the drivers went through that area and the tires let go not long afterward.

Bottas has to be hating life. Second late stage tire issue in recent memory that robbed him of a podium (Baku coming to mind). When Hamilton's tire went I nearly passed out. Watching Max close on him with nothing that could have been done was excruciating.

Now, RB bringing Max in for the fastest lap was probably a 50/50 call at best, and safe at worst. No word on how his tires were looking, and assuming Hamilton stayed out, no way to have caught him, even if Hamilton backed way off to eek that tire to the end. So, 2nd and fastest lap makes sense from a standing perspective. You could question Petronas for not bringing Hamilton in after MAx pitted. There was enough time in hand and with Bottas out, you really want to make sure the same didn't befall the points leader.

Standings stayed the same, but Valtteri definitely got the worst of it, having the gap between him and lewis grow considerably and the lead he has over Max shrink to just 6 points. I think the W11 has enough pace over the field to give either Mercedes driver the win on any given Sunday, so Bottas should be able to keep 2nd place, but he doesn't have much cushion anymore.

Hulkenburg is who I feel sorry for. A whirlwind signing to replace Perez hours before race weekend begins only for the car not to start.

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34. "I haven't watched yet, but red bull seems outwardly"
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to be on the "max's tire would've popped too, and maybe worse" train

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35. "Yeah, I can't really criticize them. On any other day, it's a no-brainer..."
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They had the big gap, might as well pick up the extra point. Just one of those tings how it turned out.

  

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36. "finally watched it"
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the tires that popped weren't even the ones with obvious seams, Lewis was damn lucky to be able to get that thing around for another lap without it completely coming apart.



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37. "F1 was cool enough to notice a number pattern with Moto GP"
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from the Winners this weekend: https://twitter.com/F1/status/1292526500600852482

Did anyone else watch KTM get their first Premier Class win?

I guess it's good someone else got an F1 win, Lewis can't win them all lol

Those tires were definitely crazy, and the weather this Summer is definitely messing things up. It's actually screwed with the Moto GP grid even more possibly, it was so much hotter in Jerez then when they usually race there in April, so many riders have been having crazy high-sides and breaking and fracturing things. Marquez is out, it's truly a bizarro Championship in terms of results, factory teams are being beaten by their customer counterparts.

I don't know if this Racing Point drama is interesting or not.

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38. "Petronas can't win 'em all"
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But unless there's a catastrophic event that happens, I don't see how Lewis don't have 7 'chips and Mercedes has every constructors 'chip in the current regs.

It's possible the downforce the Silver Arrows cars can generate has a negative effect on the tires in specific situations. For all their German efficiency, they may not have calculated for that. It happens. Could they have left Hamilton out and rolled the dice on a one stop with Max 10 seconds back? Maybe, but the drama from last week meant that was a non starter. Take given points rather than risk max points. Bottas has to be pissed, but I have little doubt he gets 2nd in the driver's 'chip over Max. RB has to win on tactical decisions rather than pace, and the Petronas team usually sorts their strategy out after a loss.

What's the over/under on Vettel quitting mid-season? The car isn't good (even with LeClerc dragging the car higher than it should), he's not there next year and it really feels like Ferrari has given up on him and the car this season.

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39. "Agree on all counts. Vettel has given up and Ferrari is annoyed with him..."
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It also doesn't bode well for him next year. Racing Point's penalties do not make them as appealing for next year. Right now, he is just going trough the motions. Hamilton and Petronas are in good shape if they don't take their foot off the gas.

Red Bull are the future. Max and Alex are going to be fun to watch. Once Albon gets more comfortable, he is going to be consistent and great with Max. They are both risk takers and really good drivers.

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40. "Max is a shoe in. Alex? Eh..."
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I love Max, even if he's a dick. There has never been a pass he wouldn't take, and he drives the balls off the car. The only problem he has is Hamilton and Mercedes. As long as both are on their game, Max ain't winning, as that Mercedes power is greater than Honda and Hamilton is, at best, a better driver, and at worst, a more experienced driver than Max is. I look forward to years of Max and LeClerc fighting each other, but this year and next, it's probably Hamilton's world. We'll see what the new regs do.

As for Albon. I like him. The two problems he has are he's racing with Max, and he's not close to him in skill, and he's racing for Red Bull, who's not known for keeping #2 drivers. His qualifying and race finished are consistently lower than Max. The one thing that is probably helping Albon out is the fact there's no clear #3 team behind Mercedes and RB, so they should be able to finish 2nd in the standings regardless of the finishing gap between Alex and Max.

This isn't a big knock on Albon at all. He was put in the same situation as Gasley was in last year and managed it better. Probably not to the level that Horner and Marko would like, but not enough to flush him from the team. Besides, what options do they have?

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41. "Max is an absolute jerk but he is fun to watch..."
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I think Red Bull will be a little patient with Albon because he shows flashes of brilliance and he is definitely not a threat to Max's #1 status. He will keep them in the points and will create a good relationship between the drivers. Max is prickly and if you bring someone in that he doesn't mesh with, it will be a disaster.

I don't know what the hell is up with Ferrari's car. Whatever the secret engine settlement was had to be significant. I am not convinced next year will be better. Charles is driving the hell out of that underperforming car, though.

I am all in on Hamilton (All Black Everything!) but I do root for Ricciardo and Ocon and a few of the younger drivers. They are just not close to being in the realm of Petronas.

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42. "red bull has the same "problem" mercedes has"
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who do you pair with your star?

if you want to replace albon, you need someone who is both consistently better and also won't fall apart from losing to max because they likely won't be able to beat him.

idk how you find that person, although hulkenberger definitely showed he has the pace and would love a shot in a good car

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43. "One more Schummacher record down for the count"
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F1 is Lewis' world, and every other driver is just living in it right now. I love it

Max is next up, and there's a slew of talent on the grid now, making F1 viable entertainment going forward. But until Hamilton and Petronas slip up, everyone else is fighting for 2nd.

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44. "My favorite track, and the most boring race so far"
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This one was over on Saturday. After Lewis' Q3 lat it would have taken mechanical failure for him to lose. Were it not for some last lap heroics of Danny Ric (plus the fact the top 3 were all cruising the last 6 laps to keep the tires from going off) Hamilton would have another Grand Slam. The total wins record seems like a foregone conclusion. It could be done in September (you have to figure if he can clear the first chicane in Monza next week unscathed it's a wrap for the field). I wish the record could go down in front of fans in person, but 2020 being what it is, I'll take it.

Bottas either needs catastrophe on the other side of the garage on a 2016 level or just be satisfied coming in second again. I don't doubt he moves past Max, as he has the better car, but coming to terms with Hamilton just being better is...sobering. Still, 2nd isn't small potatoes. It's good for the team, and as has been stated before, the gap between him Bottas and Hamilton isn't as wide as the gap between Max and anybody not named Danny Ric. Speaking of....

I've heard some scuttlebutt about Albon being under pressure at RB. Not entirely sure if that's fair, as Max is a generational talent, held back by the fact that he's not Hamilton or drives for Petronas. Anybody you put beside him won't fare well. Could Albon, or Gasley, have had their car set up better for their style? Maybe. But the design really does seem to fit max more than anyone. Ricciardo gave him a challenge, but since Max is the future of the team (and rightly so, honestly) he had to leave. I hope Albon keeps the seat. Let him grow into it, and see what happens. You're not going to find a 1A for Max, so keep your B.

So, it's a pretty foregone conclusion that Ferrari had a cheater engine, right? Seeing Vettel and LeClerc out in Q2 was shameful. Every car running Ferrari power next week are going to be lapped, maybe twice. With rules locked more or less for next year, it's going to be a hard end for this era for Tiffosi faithful. Sainz may want to enjoy going fast this year, because next year doesn't look great...

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45. "RE: My favorite track, and the most boring race so far"
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I can't imagine Mercedes struggling in Monza unless those proposed engine setting changes take effect on quali modes etc. really do effect them more than others in a way they don't figure out right away.

The funniest part of the Ferrari situation to me now is how they appealed the whole RP ordeal asking for more transparency, after all the secrecy surrounding their stuff last year.

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46. "I don't think it's just the engine."
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>So, it's a pretty foregone conclusion that Ferrari had a
>cheater engine, right?

If you look at the results independent of the variable of driver skill, that car is not really any better than the Alfa, and only marginally better than the Haas.

If you insist that the Ferrari chassis MUST be better than Alfa/Haas, then Kimi must be doing things neither LeClerc or Vettel can do, and that MAG and GRO are pretty much their equal.

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47. "Its a two part problem. But engine is definitely a big problem"
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There was already word last year (and maybe the year before) that the aero philosophy Ferrari adopted may not pan out as well, and likely would have a bit of a performance ceiling as far as what they could do based on their high rake design and how they designed their front wing. Considering they were losing time in the corners to Mercedes, that seemed to have been proven true even then. However, because of that 'stroker' engine, they could power through and mask some of that aero deficiency. Without that extra power, the design choices really start to bite them in the rear.

They pretty much are like Mopar in the late 60's early 70s. Fast in the straights, can't turn. Engine regs hit and now can't do either.

Poor Carlos

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48. "they have no power and no downforce you hate to see it"
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49. "Monza was fun!!!!"
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I am happy for Gasly, Hamilton will surely keep winning later, he doesn't have to get his 90th at the same track as Schumacher when he's surpassing him lol

The pit stop thing obviously caught hami out as the first one through, but it's clearly just some little thing they all technically needed to know. I really wonder what it would have been like watching Ferrari going out like that if their were fans there in person.

I'm not sure what the engine regs changed, Red Bull seemed to suffer the most in quali but that may be track dependent, and Bottas seemed to complain his setting made it hard to race in the pack.

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50. "I have more fun seeing hamilton win"
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good for gasly though, he deserves things going his way, and he drove that car at the end.

not a great weekend for bottas and albon, even if their issues weren't their fault, they came out of it looking bad.

stroll got third but tbh I thought the whole thing reflected poorly as shit on him. so he essentially a free tire change without ever having to make a pit stop, and still can't come in first or second? that's like a free 40 second head start over the rest of the field.

sainz prolly should've had second no matter what, just a little unlucky to not win


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51. "That was one hell of a race"
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There's nobody on the planet that could have predicted how this one was going to end. Lots to unpack

First, congrats to Gasly and AlphaTauri. A lot of stars and planets needed to align for this outcome, but once Pierre got the lead he kept it even with serious pressure from Sainz. After the year that kid had it's great to see him with a win. Factor in the works team that dumped him a year ago finished with a DNF and zero points the win has to be extra sweet (more on RB later). Here's hoping for more success and smart career choices in the future (more later)

Second, end of an era in modern F1. Having the Williams family out of racing kinda sucks. But such is the fate of a team that needs funding and the only way to secure it is to sell. I don't think this was all Claire's fault, but with new management, the old guard has to go. It will be years before we get the real story behind Paddy Lowe and how his team managed to get the car so unbelievable wrong. Maybe the new ownership can get Martini to sign as a sponsor again (I do miss that livery).

What should have been business as usual at Mercedes got turned completely upside down. Hamilton was on pace for a 20+ second win. Instead, he put on a display that showed reverse grids may not be a bad thing after all. Some may not like Lewis going to the stewards during the red flag period, but you have to give him credit for taking the blame for pulling in the pit and congratulating Pierre first and foremost. It was a freak set of circumstances that caught Petronas out there this weekend, but you better believe that won't happen ever again. Either they will hire someone just to check pit entry lights and messages or figure out a way to automate it better (or do both). Driving back to 7th was pretty amazing. If that red flag didn't stop the race, I wouldn't have been surprised if he ended up on the podium even after the 10 second stop & go penalty. On the other side of the garage, Bottas didn't have a good race at all. Another crap start and possible car issues didn't see him make a podium run, which would have helped his (non-existent) chances at the title run. Still, he's back in 2nd, which is how things were going to shake out anyway.

Not a good day for Red Bull. Max didn't have a great quali and ended up with a DNF. Definitely didn't help his chances at coming 2nd in the drivers championship (which, really, is Bottas' to lose). Albon was a non factor today. To see Gasly on the podium has to make Horner and Marko's soul burn slow though. But what can they do? Promoting Gasley back to RB makes them look like they didn't make a good choice and undercut's Alex's confidence. Pierre has to know RB has a much better shot at any kind of championship over AT, but does he want that kind of pressure again? At this point anybody in the seat opposite Verstappen is not going to look good. Bringing someone up from their junior race program will likely have the same result. Looking outside of RB as a whole, who would you pay to bring in and race beside Max? Staying as is may be the only call right now.

I bet everyone at Maranello is glad there were no fans in the stands. Ferrari couldn't have had a worse weekend if they tried. Glad the barriers at the chicane were foam, or it would have been bad for Vettel. Glad LeClerc walked away from that crash as that was brutal. Bad enough they were already going to get curb stomped at their home track but to leave with two damaged cars that didn't make it to Q3 in the first place? This is simply a bad year for them.

Lastly, how does Antonio Giovinazzi have a seat in F1? He must have a TON of sponsor money or somebody's family member hostage.

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52. "RE: That was one hell of a race"
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Apparently a lot of the important data for the team on the pit wall gets spoken by a robot voice in to their headset the moment it happens, so even if they're not looking at it they hear 'Safety Car' told to them all at one the moment it happens. The closed pit lane indicator isn't in that system of things that they get voice notifications for but it sounds like that will probably change.

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53. "VET to Racing Point/Aston Martin, PER out."
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I don't know. I don't know if Seb is better than Checo at this point.

I will say that if I'm Haas, I'm snapping up Checo and his pesos right quick.

  

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54. "RE: VET to Racing Point/Aston Martin, PER out."
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Yeah, if Perez still comes with that financial backing I'd find it hard to believe he gets left out, since he also seems a better racer than the Haas boys or Gio (I don't know what Alfa's sitch is).

Watching these cars ride in Mugello is amusing right now, since I'm so used to watching Moto GP bikes race around it, the way they can take some of these corners flat out completely changes the dynamic. If that main straight DRS zone isn't effective I don't see much passing going on anywhere else.

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55. "A Haas team that isn't a comedy of errors and potentially doesn't suck....."
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Sign Checo now. He also will bring them some money to improve their crap car.

I still don't understand how Grosjean has a job. He supposedly drives fast in a straight line when no one is around him. Is that enough?

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56. "vettel on that team could be a shot in the arm for both parties"
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or it could go down in flames with both sides collapsing

I understand why it's his best option and why aston martin wants a 4x world champ in the seat

but....is anyone sure they'll be able to keep making a decent car without copy/pasting mercedes specs, and whether seb right now is just uninspired or totally washed?

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57. "Wreck-fest."
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I struggled to remember that these are the best drivers in the world.

Stroll's was nasty. Glad he's all right.

I like Mugello when I drive it in racing sims, but since F1 can take almost every corner flat, not sure it's a great choice to keep on the calendar in the future, unless they really do get rid of a whole lot of downforce in '22.

  

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58. "2 red flags in one race? And it's dry? Insane"
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Italy was not kind to Max this season. Back to back DNFs? Not good at all. That gives Bottas the breathing room he needed (back up 25 points), since he's sure to suffer some unfortunate puncture 3 laps from the finish. Happy for Albon finally getting on podium. All he needed was not to tangle with Hamilton, I suppose.

Stroll's crash was as bad as LeClerc's last week. And the 4 car pileup at the restart further cemented the HALO is saving lives. I can't remember seeing 8 cars out at the final flag before. War of attrition


Vettel to Tracing Point was the worst kept secret this year. Absolutely sucks that Cheko was on the chopping block. But, nepotism, right? Question is how much Vettel still has in the tank. He doesn't suck, per se, but he's clearly not the same driver he was after he wiped out in Germany a few years back and threw his championship away. Still, the Pink Panther cars should be faster than Ferrari's disaster and he should be the #1 driver there, Papa Stroll notwithstanding (even diminished Vettel is a better driver than Stroll is gonna be).

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59. "albon still going around the outside"
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but I guess he learned that he needs to take all the space if he's going to go there.

dude was driving like collisions were off before, man of cours they're going to punt you.

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60. "my BIG q is if lawrence stroll is going to put his son in the shittier c..."
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61. "Won't matter, He's still going to be the lesser driver"
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Family means more than winning. Otherwise, there's no way you keep Stroll over Perez on the team going forward. Even if you're looking at age, very little has shown Stroll will be any better than a mid pack driver on his best day. Mind you, if Vettel gets there and gets outqualified by Stroll it will not be a good look for him or the team choosing Vettel over Perez.

Bigger question: Who ends up the odd man out of F1 when this all shakes out? Alonzo coming back threw everything into chaos it seems.

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