The deadline is rapidly approaching.

One guy I would like to see traded is Andre Drummond. Pistons have no choice here, because he can opt out and become FA at the end of the season. So they can’t let him walk for nothing.

Boston and Okc make the most sense because of need and assets.

For Boston, they need a presence inside. Thesis is avg just 3 rebounds a game and Tatum is not a banger, he is playing out of position when he plays at the 4. Enes is slow as hell. Drummond would correct that instantly and turn them into a true contender. More than likely, send Hayward (since he is the weakest of the big 4)plus Enes and a pick, hell, and see if they can get woods as well. Boston got too many small forwards in brown/ Tatum/ Hayward. one has to go, and not Tatum or brown.

Kemba/brown/Tatum/thesis/Drummond

OKC got major trade pieces and picks. Plus they need some serious banging inside, because Noel and Adams are decent, but noel is highly injury prone and Adams is not consistent. Getting Drummond would really make them contenders when going up against teams with star bangers inside. Send Noel or Adams and throw in a pick to get woods. Drummond/ Woods\ Mascula would be their inside rotation.

Paul/ Schroder/ Shai/ Danilo/ Drummond



Knicks and Hawks were mentioned. But none of them make sense. Knicks got too many big men and are top ten in rebounds and score most of their points in the paint. They need shooting. Same thing with the hawks. They need shooting.

>Knicks and Hawks were mentioned. But none of them make sense.
>Knicks got too many big men and are top ten in rebounds and
>score most of their points in the paint. They need shooting.

. . . which is why I expect them to go all-in on a deal for Drummond. (The silver lining of all our lottery picks being scrubs is that they're probably not enough of a return for the Pistons, so we might dodge that self-inflicted bullet.)

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OKC has a guy that's not that much of a step down from Drummond. Why sacrifice something to have a slight upgrade for a guy who's the same age? Unless Detroit takes Paul and offloads some assets back, no point for OKC.

Boston makes sense but the Pistons don't want to take on salary. They want cap relief and draft picks. Boston can offer picks. And in your example, Hayward works because he has a player option this summer. If he doesn't want to stay in Detroit (he won't) he can opt out and become an unrestricted FA.

He'd be fun on the Hawks or Warriors too. Dallas might be a front runner. They need a C too. Clippers might be a dark horse. Would have to find salary to match his $27 mil which would gut their depth. But Harkless ($11M), Patterson ($2M), Green ($4.7M) and Zubac ($6.5M) could get them close. The problem would be losing their bigs depth.
Also Harrell is gonna get a big raise this summer so they'd be limited going forward. Drummond is durable but they'd still need guys behind him. Maybe bring in Noah? Or some other washed big back up? Their young players probably aren't ready yet.

Pat Bev, PG, Kawhi, Harrell and Drummond would be a devastating defensive group though.

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What is close to Drummond on okc?
Steve Adams?

He is avg 11/9

Drummond is avg 17/15! And is bigger shot blocker and defensive stopper. That would put them on a possible championship level with Drummond.

There is nothing on okc close to Drummond. Drummond is a super super upgrade from anything that okc has. Plus they got the picks. They got 12 draft picks and 7 are first rounders.

Dude makes more sense then any other team other than Boston.

Atlanta needs shooting badly, so with no shooting, teams will just double Drummond in the paint. And they are not close to being a contender. And Drummond wants to compete for a championship. It would be just like being in Detroit.

Boston and Okc have great shooting, so Drummond’s numbers would become even greater.

>What is close to Drummond on okc?
>Steve Adams?
>
>He is avg 11/9
>
>Drummond is avg 17/15! And is bigger shot blocker and
>defensive stopper. That would put them on a possible
>championship level with Drummond.

This is hyperbole. OKC would be no where near championship level with Drummond and you know it. Or you just don't watch basketball. Their best lineup holds 3 small guards. That might be cute and win a few games during the regular season but they'd get owned in a 7 game set vs a real defense. Plus CP3 is 35 man. He's been their best player this yr with SGA a close second. You can't be serious.

OKC actually has a better defensive rating than Detroit. Swapping Drummond for Adams won't make them that much better.

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Adams turns the ball over less which aides your offense and doesn't force you into more defensive possessions, has a higher win shares, equal VORP, practically equal PER and a better true shooting percentage. The only thing that stands out is Drummond gets defensive boards and steals at a higher rate. Which he negates by turning the ball over. Mind you, Drummond has a higher usage rate (because he's on a sh*tty team) and plays 6 more minutes a game. Per 36 numbers even the score even more and if you bumped Adams' usage rate, they'd be practically even. He'd be a star on Detroit...and they'd lose all the same.

And OKC would have to sacrifice a gang of future picks to get it done. Why do that? It's dumb.

>Atlanta needs shooting badly, so with no shooting, teams will
>just double Drummond in the paint. And they are not close to
>being a contender. And Drummond wants to compete for a
>championship. It would be just like being in Detroit.

Detroit has the 4th best 3pt shooting percentage in the NBA this yr. So what's the excuse there? Nevermind ATL just got Teague who shoots 50% from 3. Already have Heurter and Young who shoot 39% and 37%. They need a defensive C who's a lob threat for Trae. Collins shoots 35% from 3, Hunter shoots 33% and Cam about 30%. The later two should get better as they are rookies. Collins as PF can space the floor and let Drummond work. Cam, Hunter and Drummond are decent defenders and can help make up for Young's deficiencies on that side. He'd be a clear upgrade of anything they have.

>Boston and Okc have great shooting, so Drummond’s numbers
>would become even greater.

Boston is 14th from 3 and Okc is 20th. C'mon.

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Atlanta is ranked 30th in 3pt shooting and 23rd in fg percentage. As Woj pointing out, Atlanta would be a terrible destination because of their lack of good shooting. Their problem with an inside presence has been due to injuries. Collins missed a shit load of time in the beginning of the season, And Lens has been injured off and on. So both have not played on the court together for long stretches. Atlanta needs shooting more than anything else. Plus their not a contender or playoff team. So even if he goes to them it will not be any different than being in Detroit.

Even though okc shoots 20th in the league from 3 , their overall fg percentage is ranked 8th. They have 4 players who can get their shot at any place on the court, so you can’t double in the paint or play off them. Boston is the same way, 4 players who can get their shot anywhere on the court. And Boston is top 16 in fg percentage and top 13 in 3 point shooting. Plus Boston’s centers are injured and are injury prone. They need Drummond the most to me to get over the top.

As far as Paul being 35, that’s irrelevant. James is the same age. Also, I would not say that paul hands down is their best player. All our clutch in the 4th quarter considering that the top 4 clutch players in the league are those 4 players, 1-4. And OKC is the top scoring team in the 4th. So be careful with speaking in absolutes.

Pistons are looking for an expiring contract(s) and a first rounder. Okc has 12 draft picks, so ,no, it would not take a lot to get him.

To compete or be in the playoffs, a team like Boston or okc would be the place to go, not the hawks. But from Detroit stand point, it does not matter where he goes , as long as they get something of value in return.

Also you failed to mention the individual stats of the starting players for okc like you did for AtL, and they have lower team shooting stats than OKC

Paul : 48 fg percentage / 37 percent from 3
Danilo : 44 fg percentage / 41 percent from 3
Shai: 47 fg percentage / 34 percent from 3
Schroder : 47 fg percentage / 38 percent from 3

That’s great shooting from their starters. It’s their bench players that bring the team stats down, especially diallo and dort. That’s why overall teams stats dont really paint a true picture of the team

That group shoots close to 50 percent from the field and close to 40 percent from 3! That’s why they are lethal in the 4th and can score points from anywhere.

Now go look at those shitty individual shooting stats from Hunter, reddish, huerter, etc.
40 and 39 percent from the field, with Hunter and reddish shooting 30 and 32 pct from three. ATL need shooting more than anything.

Cmon, bro.

Also, funny thing, they played each other last night. And of course OKC shot the lights out. It was a blood bath.

>Also you failed to mention the individual stats of the
>starting players for okc like you did for AtL, and they have
>lower team shooting stats than OKC
>
>Paul : 48 fg percentage / 37 percent from 3
>Danilo : 44 fg percentage / 41 percent from 3
>Shai: 47 fg percentage / 34 percent from 3
>Schroder : 47 fg percentage / 38 percent from 3

It's funny, you list all this off and negate that OKC has a legit threat in the middle. Atl is piecemealing their C position with back ups, 3rd stringers and rookies who may end up being role players. Adams is a contributor to their spacing and allows for them to get better shots. Anytime CP3 drives, it's a threat. It was the same way for Westbrook. He probably got like 70% of his assist off of Adams when he was there. Also Paul is great at ball distribution so he helps get the team betters shots. However, this doesn't address what you stated, which was that with Drummond they are title contenders and that's false. Drummond is a marginal upgrade from Adams. Even with their shooting. It's not like his presence will make them shoot better.

>That’s great shooting from their starters. It’s their
>bench players that bring the team stats down, especially
>diallo and dort. That’s why overall teams stats dont really
>paint a true picture of the team
>
>That group shoots close to 50 percent from the field and close
>to 40 percent from 3! That’s why they are lethal in the 4th
>and can score points from anywhere.

Trae, Huerter, Hunter and Collins take most of ATL's 3's
37%, 40%, 33% and 35%. Add Teague and that's 50%. So the guys that can shoot will be on the floor with Drummond. To your point, it's the bench (and Reddish) that brings down their shooting.

Now, the overall FG%'s, OKC has an edge but...OKC also has a REAL center, which is what ATL needs. That's why they drafted Fernando and signed Len last yr. Drummond makes it all come together for them. It'll open the floor and give them better shooting looks as Drummond is a lob threat at all times. Not to mention he'd improve their defense a lot.

ATL is young and needs a few vets to build with. Drummond makes a ton of sense for them going forward. Next year, they'd be a top 6 team in the East. OKC will soon have to replace one of their biggest assets (Paul) and him and Danilo aren't all that reliable (injury prone). Which would be cool if they were younger but being 35 and 31, makes no sense to try to add Drummond to that as some kind of piece to a finals run. Especially for future picks.

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You do have a point.

They aren’t definitely going to have to give up Collins for a good big.

>You do have a point.
>
>They aren’t definitely going to have to give up Collins for
>a good big.

Nobody expected OKC to be this good and CP3 was supposed to be trade bait for picks. I think they prolonged their rebuild a year and it'll definitely help SGA develop. But any scenario where OKC is giving up picks better be for potential allstars who make them virtual locks for the playoffs every year IMO because they are on the cusp of rebuilding. I don't think Drummond does that because OKC's core is not as defined as ATL's.

SGA-Schroeder-Bazley?-Drummond as a core is 2-3 yrs behind
Young-Hunter-Collins-Huerter-Drummond.

And we aren't even counting if Cam develops. ATL could grow that team for the next 3-4 seasons and make a serious run in a few yrs.

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They got Capela. No Drummond. Capela is a 14/14 guy. See if this works out. He has a a foot injury ( not good for bigs), and considering Len current issues with injuries, and Collins had some issues earlier. Hope they don’t run into a situation with all bigs being out due to injury.

Feel for Capela being shipped to a very bad team. But that’s the biz. Maybe they can be a PO team next year. But they got to fix that terrible shooting.

Hawks front office is actually doing work now that they have a good core of young guys.

Capela is basically diet coke Drummond. Trae gonna feast off him like Harden did. And that'll open up everybody elses shots.

They probably not making the playoffs this yr, which is still good for them because everybody keep saying this is a weak draft but there's some gems to be had if a front office is diligent. Not to mention the draft odds have changed so if they end up with #1 or #2, they could easily land Anthony Edwards. Which would not only be a boon for them talent wise but he's a local kid so the sellouts would come. Plus he's exciting as hell to watch. Or they could Chance LaMelo Ball. Put him at the 2. He's 6'7".

Trae/Teague
Edwards/Huerter
Hunter/Reddish
Collins/Fernando
Capela/Dedmon

^^^This team would be scary in 2yrs and would make the playoffs next season.

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I love his game. It is Jordan like. He can do it all, but play defensive.
Dude can drop 40-50 points with ease. He needs to be on a contender, because ain’t nothing happening in Chicago.

Bulls ain’t going anywhere anytime soon. So lets tank for lamelo and get picks and pieces.

Rumor has it that a trade of lavine to the lakers for Kuzma/green and tucker works based on the numbers. Lakers need a serious third scoring option and ball handler. Lavine is that and then some. However, Kuzma coming back is cool, but we want picks and not want to take green and tucker on. So bring in a third team to send tucker and green to and to have some picks go back to the bulls. Atlanta needs some shooting. Knicks need some shooting.

We could build around Lamelo/Kuzma/ Markkanen. That team would be light bright as hell though.

zach is 24. you don't give up on a 24 yr old with his skillset in an attempt to tank for an unknown draft spot in a weak draft.

Zach Lavine ain’t it. He is a very selfish player, great skill, but is selfish and plays no defense. And we are not better with him, as our record has showcased. Trade this guy while we can.

Lamelo is tremendously talented, and is unselfish like his brother, and just like his brother he makes the game easier for other players. Lamelo could be a generational player and you can play him at 4 positions, from pg to a stretch 4.

I watch the bulls weekly. WE ARE GoING NOWHERE WITH ZACK LAVINE and the bulls need a superstar face, which could be Lamelo.

I would be more than willing to take my chances while we can because we are already SHIT. So we have nothing to lose.

Also Ball is avg 17/7/7 in a competitive professional league, making players better.

That is what the bulls need , a player who can score anywhere on the court, as well as making teammates better and look to make the right play. As well as having a superstar image and appeal.

The seats need to be filled, because they are empty every night .

Great pick up by Dallas. They traded for Willy Cauley Stein to cover the loss of Powell (Achilles rupture). Like for like. Willy can play fast and get out in transition, as well as block shots. I think Powell is better offensively, but Willy is better defensively avg more blocks and steals.

Late: ariza traded to blazers. Bezmore and Tolliver went to Sacramento. A great pick up by blazers. They get some 3 shooting and defense. Tolliver can shoot , but is terrible defensively, Bez as well.

because everyone's capped out, he'll probably still leave in the offseason but it could be via sign-and-trade


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that game on March 6th is going to be interesting

also when they go up against the warriors, him vs. draymond

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WHAT?

Don’t tell me he thinks he can win it all with a small lineup?

They have been forced to go small since Capela injured his foot. Yeah, they won a couple of games, but this would be crazy.

Capela is 14/14 and can run in transition as a big man. Dude would be nuts to trade him because he wants a starting lineup full of guards.

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Their goal seems to be to shed salary at this point.

But who knows.

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On the jump, they stated that Pringles wants a center who can shoot and stretch the floor. But defense wins championships...which Pringles never thinks about.

I think Boston MIGHT do something
same with Houston.
Probably Lakers if they can.

But the other teams... meh.

one dimensional traditional centers are considered expendable in the modern NBA...

It's probably not the RIGHT move given we've been beaten by contenders pretty much every time, but it's the most likely.

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with other people to make the deal work and there's really not anybody out there worth gutting our team for

or however many days a series last. i really hope we stick w/ what we have. i want to win w/ this exact group.

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Because even when healthy, Lakers can be beaten, especially against teams with two way bigs. All the teams they lost too had bigs that AD couldn’t handle: Indiana,Orlando, Portland, Toronto, Clippers, etc.

Denver, Utah, Clippers... those teams are very, very dangerous. And now that Michael Porter is getting off with Denver and Jokic inside as a point cent? That’s Porter, Grant, Jokic, Barton Murray, Torrey, Beasley, Morris all coming at you. I don’t think the lakers can handle Denver in 7 game series. Don’t have the fire power.

Rumor has it that the clippers are in crisis regarding their starting lineup , specifically Beverly and Zubok. They don’t trust them, and feel Beverly is inconsistent. Zubok doesn’t give them big rebounding or defense around the rim.

Trade I’m hearing on the table: Harrell/ harkless/ Beverly and a young player for Derrick Rose and Andre Drummond. I think that Shamet’s great play at the point while Beverly was out confirmed it for them. Rose/Lou would lead their second unit. That’s some serious scoring off the bench. The starters would be: Shamet/PG/Kawhi/Green/Drummond. I think that would make them unbeatable.

I still think Rose gets traded for Kuzma, because that makes the most since to me. Lakers need more fire power off that bench and an explosive ball handler. Rose makes the most sense.

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Celtics want and need a big,but they don’t want to give up smart or Hayward. Lol
I guess they want something for nothing.

Iggy is being really unreasonable and unprofessional. You get traded to a team that you didn’t want to go to. Instead of playing out like Chris Paul, you sit out and stay away from the team. He could be mentoring the young players, and they are a playoff team.

>Iggy is being really unreasonable and unprofessional. You get
>traded to a team that you didn’t want to go to. Instead of
>playing out like Chris Paul, you sit out and stay away from
>the team. He could be mentoring the young players, and they
>are a playoff team.

Yes, sorta.

But also, this was clearly agreed upon when he got traded. Memphis COULD fine him. They COULD force him to report. They COULD buy him out. They aren't, because they view him as an asset. It's a mutually beneficial decision for him to sit and for them to see what the market is for him.

I also think he's wildly overrated as an asset, but that's another discussion.

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>I also think he's wildly overrated as an asset, but that's
>another discussion.
>

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>Iggy is being really unreasonable and unprofessional. You get
>traded to a team that you didn’t want to go to. Instead of
>playing out like Chris Paul, you sit out and stay away from
>the team. He could be mentoring the young players, and they
>are a playoff team.

An Athlete told a team that he had no desire to play for them before any deal was completed. The team acquired said athlete anyway. Both parties have chosen to employ the options legally available to them, but you claim that the athlete is being unreasonable & unprofessional?

You can't be serious.


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This is business. You play for whichever team drafts you or trades for you.
A player under contract does not make decisions on which team he is traded to.

Players are commodities who can be signed, drafted, traded or bought out.

He should be playing while trade discussions take place to trade him to a contender.
Due to his refusal to play for the team, Memphis isn’t going to do him any favors.
And now he is no longer accepted by the players.

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Everyone in this thread is an armchair NBA GM, critic, etc...as well as this board

Here giving there opinion on trades and players .

So your statement is extremely hypocritical.

Let all that name calling or whatever rest with Kobe. ...seriously. Just give your opinion and keep moving.

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>This is business.

Yes, it is, and it speaks volumes that you're only giving credence to the ownership side of the business coin here.

Because, in spite of your bitter ass, never-was and never could have been, middle aged, white construction worker mentality, players and owners are partners.

And players, like owners and management, have a certain amount of power and leverage, which they excercise at times, in ways that don't always work to the advantage of ownership.

But as you said- this is business, as as Joe Simon says, it be's that way, sometimes.

But that's not even the most pertinent part of this story:

Reports are that Iggy and the Grizz brass fucking agreed that this would play out in this way, with him sitting out while they attempt to get vue in return for him.

You're wrong in every facet of this, at every turn, from every perspective.

Have a seat.

people calling him cowards, assholes, losers...all types of shit. He didn’t want to suit up for them, they viewed him as a flippable asset. They simply over asked and didn’t get what they wanted. “You were in on the heist, you just didn’t like your cut”

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The name calling and assumptions, and the racist comments you just Made is clearly out of line, and again extremely racist. If you can’t post without doing that, then don’t respond. Whether I agree or disagree with someone’s stand, I don’t verbally get outline or get personal because of their opinion.

And there is nothing wrong or incorrect with what I said, which is why Dillion Brooks said what he said and the TEAM of players feel the same way as I stated.

My point is that , and factual, he does not want to play for the grizz or be a part of their organization, which is why an agreement was worked out. But the issue still stands that he was disgruntled with the trade. And They didnt and are not forcing him to report to practice or play games. They didn’t and don’t have to do that because he is under contract.

It’s a contract, and is created to give protection and benefits to both sides based on the CBA. Owner is contractual obligated to pay and provide benefits to players for their basketball services. And players are obligated to provide basketball services for the pay and benefits they receive. As long as the work conditions and labor rights are favorable for both parties, the contract should be met by both sides. Period.

If not, then what is the purpose of a contract or or cba? If players are allowed to cherry pick where they want to go, or owners are allowed to cherry pick the players that they want, there would be an unbalanced league.

D’Angelo Russell recently said it best regarding his trade rumors: I understand that this is a business first, and I can’t control where and I get traded to. If I get traded, then it is what it is, and and I will accept it accordingly based on my contract.

No racism. No prejudice. No forced labor. Just business based on contractual ties by owners and the players.. Pure math.

I’m the type of person, where if I agree to a contract, I will live out that contract until it expires or gets renewed, and as long as all agreements have been met. I’m not the type that would sit out because I wasn’t offered a new contract or I feel that I deserve money. Imagine if an owner was allowed to stop paying you because your play became lousy? They can trade you if they want, or propose a buyout, but they have to pay you.

Chris Paul, who is a hall of famer, and is the bigger and better star, was shipped off. He was basically thrown out by Houston. Here is a guy who has tasted playoff success over and over, and came from playing for two top teams. If there is anyone who should be throwing a fit or feel disrespected, it’s Chris.

What did Chris do? He handled it professionally based on his contract. He didn’t demand anything or refuse to play. He went and played basketball based on the team he now plays for and the agreements in his contract.

The players of Memphis are fed up with the matter, and want him gone as soon as possible. NBA is a place where everyone knows everyone. Its a community league more than any other sport. So for a player to say hey, either trade me or buy me out, and he did demand that, because I’m not going to play for your team and I don’t want to play for your team, is unprofessional to me . There is a CBA for a reason, so I’m glad the players of Memphis are telling dude to piss off, while they are suiting up and playing. Dude does not even want to practice with them or just show up on the bench to support the players.

And of course Memphis is not going to pay 85 percent of his contract to send him off to a contender while they are a playoff team, and get nothing in return. Suit up, mentor as a veteran, show your skills in the PO, and hopefully move on during the summer if that is still the mindset. That makes the most sense for ALL parties.

>If not, then what is the purpose of a contract or or cba? If
>players are allowed to cherry pick where they want to go, or
>owners are allowed to cherry pick the players that they want,
>there would be an unbalanced league.

Welcome to 2020, where players have just as much leverage as the teams because they operate as partners. That's the balance.

As a matter of fact, the only people being unreasonable or unprofessional are Dillon Brooks and Ja Morant. They're tired of talking about it to the media (understandable), but fail to recognize that their own front office is responsible for bringing in a player that clearly stated he wouldn't play there.

Memphis tried to flip Iggy, got greedy, and it backfired. That's it. It ain't no more to it. © Biggie Smalls


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Yeah. It’s bullshit to honor a contract that you agreed too. Yeah it’s bullshit to honor the cba that the players and owners agree to.

Yeah players have leverage, that is within the CONTRACT.

If a player is FA, then it’s open season to play for whomever. If a player has a no trade clause, he can veto or turn away any requests to be traded.

Iggy has none of those things in his contract. So suit up and play for the team that you are on based on the contract that you agreed to.

Pure math. Pure business. Nothing more.nothing less, and not based on race or gender.

>Yeah. It’s bullshit to honor a contract that you agreed
>too. Yeah it’s bullshit to honor the cba that the players
>and owners agree to.
>
>Yeah players have leverage, that is within the CONTRACT.
>
>If a player is FA, then it’s open season to play for
>whomever. If a player has a no trade clause, he can veto or
>turn away any requests to be traded.

OR a player can choose to sit out, regardless of the consequences (including fines). That's exactly what Iggy did. As it stands, Andre Iguodala is not in breach of contract.

Your math and comprehension is flat out wrong.

Kawhi Leonard
Anthony Davis

Players that recently chose an option that didn't sit well with mgmt, and each of those orgs were proven wrong to attempt to discredit them for simply exercising the rights provided to them.


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What? You are wrong.

Kawhi’s situation was different. That was more of a medical situation, and he didn’t feel that the .org was dealing with his leg injury properly...totally different. I agreed with Kawhi, because the work conditions were not proper in that situation, especially when one’s health is on the line.

But the Anthony Davis situation? Pure bullshit.

The pelicans put down the red carpet and then some for that guy, and was prepared to give him the super max. He was treated like a king there. But Lebron tampered with him, to get him to force a trade so they could play together. And Davis did just that. So get out of here with that. That was simply a player who wanted to jump ship, take the easy way out, etc.

What kind of league would we have if every player didn’t want to play for a team because they are losing, or because they don’t want to play in a particular city, etc?

There are structures and contracts for a reason, it’s has shit to do with leverage or options for either side. It’s like a salary cap, so that teams can’t just load up on all the top players. Players just can’t say I want out to go join a contender, and that request being met by every team.


Why do you think there are FA options for both sides? That is the leverage. If you have an opt option in your contract, then opt out, or a team has an option not to re sign you, then they don’t resign you. Whatever is in the contract should be adhered to, unless work conditions and labor conditions or health conditions are not being met.

Iggy told the .org that he was prepared to sit out the entire season if he was not traded or bought out. The org said fine, we will try to shop you, and you don’t have to report. The agreement was basically FORCED by Iggy. All because he does not want to play for Memphis. He even mocked the team and made fun of being traded to Memphis.

There is no point of carrying this on. There are people who agree with his stand and actions and people who don’t. I’m in the don’t agree pool.

Plus this is water under a bridge. He was just traded to Miami.

..just to end with this:

>Plus this is water under a bridge. He was just traded to
>Miami.

Iggy showed poise & professionalism while standing his ground and that resulted In a favorable trade and likely extension. Thats business. It's not the 1st time and it won't be the last.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

“Iggy showed poised and professionalism.”

Lol.

Show me the things that I said that got these descriptions.

And no, a loose interpretation doesn't count. Show me exactly what I said, and explain how what I said fits the description.

Because I didn't call you a name.
And I certainly didn't say anything racist.
And I made no assumptions.

But I damn sure pointed out that your take lines up neatly with that of many white, middle aged men who take issue with young, black basketball players who actually excercise the power they have in the nba.

That your argument fits a certain demographic, that's on you. Not the guy who noticed.

Look you a took a solid thread regarding opinions, where everyone was agreeing or disagreeing respectfully and you got into personal, racist name calling shit.


“Because, in spite of your bitter ass, never-was and never could have been, middle aged, white construction worker mentality, players and owners are partners.”

Those were your statements.


No one was here name calling each other names or any of that silly crap you stated. You have never seen my persona , and have never seen me in person. You called me white , and made incorrect assumptions of my being. Stuff that had nothing to do with the conversation.

- I’m not white or have a so called white mentality as you put it- so calling me that is a form of racism , in that’s a white perspective and not a black perspective crap. YOU INVOLVED RACE. YOU DID. NO ONE ELSE.

And honoring a contract is not thinking that sides with a certain race. It’s simple math with me. I’m a man of science, so that is my thinking.

..You clearly have an antiquated understanding of how NBA contracts work.

You criticize players for exercising legal options they've earned WITHOUT violating their original agreements, while backing the Team/Org for doing the exact same thing.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

>Look you a took a solid thread regarding opinions, where
>everyone was agreeing or disagreeing respectfully and you got
>into personal, racist name calling shit.

Again... didn't call you any names, and didn't say anything racist.

The white guy thing was just jokes, though still a valid characterization. You do realize this is a board that gleefully hosts White Thursdays, yes?

Lighten up.

>“Because, in spite of your bitter ass, never-was and never
>could have been, middle aged, white construction worker
>mentality, players and owners are partners.”
>
>Those were your statements.

Yep.

And what name did I call you?
I described the mentality inherent in the argument itself.

You're stretching, taking it as an attack on *you*, and not the argument.

>No one was here name calling each other names or any of that
>silly crap you stated. You have never seen my persona , and
>have never seen me in person. You called me white

I literally didn't call you white, and again, I'm clearly attacking the argument, and the mindset of the argument.

and made
>incorrect assumptions of my being. Stuff that had nothing to
>do with the conversation.

Also false. I didn't say a damn thing about your being. I attacked the argument, not you.

>- I’m not white or have a so called white mentality as you
>put it-

I'm not saying you have a white mentality. I'm saying your argument has the same mentality that I've heard a lot of white men express when a black athlete doesn't just "shut up and do his job" and actually asserts the his own power. Again. This is about the mentality of the argument itself. Not your "being".

Have you always been this melodramatic?

You're choosing to take this as an assault on your character as a whole, instead of an assault on your incredibly myopic argument.

So, to be clear: this is about your argument on this subject, not you the person.

so calling me that is a form of racism , in that’s
>a white perspective and not a black perspective crap. YOU
>INVOLVED RACE. YOU DID. NO ONE ELSE.

You're stretching like crazy, trying to turn my comments into a blanket statement.

Sorry, but you went with the stock White Guy take on this subject. Shit was ripped straight out of the hard cover of "Shut Up And Dribble: Whitey McWhitey's Guide To Addressing Issues With Black Atheletes- 7th Edition, Updated To Clear PC Censors"

That's on you. Just stand by your anti-labor, pro-ownersip stance.

>And honoring a contract is not thinking that sides with a
>certain race. It’s simple math with me. I’m a man of
>science, so that is my thinking.

Were that the case, you wouldn't be ignoring the player side of the issue, while going all in on the ownership perspective.

You also wouldn't be ignoring the fact that Iggy sitting out was something the team was aware of from the beginning, and they haven't been fighting to force him to play.

How about you disagree agreeably like any normal, mature human being.

How about you concede that I, like a mature human being, further clarified that my intent was not to attack *you*, but the argument?

A mature person would be able to accept that they mistook someone's intent to be something other than what it was.

So why can't you do that?

LOOKS LIKE HE FUCKING DOES DECIDE WHERE HE WANTS TO PLAY EVEN WHEN HE'S UNDER CONTRACT

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Yeah because Dillion Brooks said he wanted his weak ass out of there.

Iggy should be thanking Brooks.

this is the end of our interaction.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

The grizz had to agree to the deal. And I’m sure brooks and the players’ stand sped that up for the Grizz in a sense

Before today, I don’t think grizz was really pushing hard to find a suitor. But after what brooks and Ja did, the young faces of their franchise, I’m sure that lit a fire to mgt to get a trade done to remove the friction as soon as possible.

Thus: Dillion got his ass up out of there...just a figure of speech.