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"ESPN: The Last Dance - 1997-1998 Chicago Bulls 10 part series"


  

          

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1209463737058562048?s=21

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2019/12/24/espn-last-dance-documentary-trailer-michael-jordan-chicago-bulls-1997-1998

ESPN released a new teaser for The Last Dance a 10-part documentary series examining Michael Jordan's final season with the Chicago Bulls in 1997-98.
The new teaser includes a short snippet showing that Jordan sat down for an interview for the film.

The trailer also showed there will be cameos in interviews by President Barack Obama, Kobe Bryant, Commissioner Adam Silver, Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley, Scottie Pippin, Dennis Rodman, Phil Jackson, Steve Kerr, Roy Williams, Justin Timberlake, Bob Costas and many more influential figures of the time.

Jason Hehir is directing the project with producer Mike Tollin. Hehir was the director on The '85 Bears 30 for 30 documentary and the Andre the Giant documentary by HBO.
The documentary is set to be released in June. No specific date has been shared yet.

  

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here for it
Dec 25th 2019
1
One interesting name missing from
Dec 25th 2019
2
this about to be haaaaaaaaaaaaard
Dec 25th 2019
3
RE: ESPN: The Last Dance - 1997-1998 Chicago Bulls 10 part series
Dec 25th 2019
4
not from the Chi but a die hard...I remember some of this
Dec 25th 2019
5
      RE: not from the Chi but a die hard...I remember some of this
Dec 25th 2019
7
           Jerry Krause is the greatest GM of all time?
Dec 26th 2019
10
                RE: Jerry Krause is the greatest GM of all time?
Dec 26th 2019
11
                     And if the greatest player of all time doesn’t fall into Rod Thorn’s...
Dec 26th 2019
12
                          I disagree.
Dec 26th 2019
13
                               .500 isn’t absolutely terrible
Dec 29th 2019
15
                               RE: .500 isn’t absolutely terrible
Dec 29th 2019
18
                               Bulls were 24-11 when Pippen played his first game of the season
Dec 29th 2019
16
                               RE: Bulls were 24-11 when Pippen played his first game of the season
Dec 29th 2019
17
                                    I never had any doubt who was winning it that year
Dec 29th 2019
19
                                    RE: I never had any doubt who was winning it that year
Dec 30th 2019
21
                                    I was a bulls hater so I remember this differently.
Dec 30th 2019
24
                                    How old were you when all this happened?
Dec 29th 2019
20
                                         RE: How old were you when all this happened?
Dec 30th 2019
22
                                              Just sayin bruh.. if you were young it may have felt more dramatic
Dec 30th 2019
23
                                                   RE: Just sayin bruh.. if you were young it may have felt more dramatic
Dec 30th 2019
26
                               Jordan turned 35 during this season
Jan 02nd 2020
38
                               RE: Jordan turned 35 during this season
Jan 03rd 2020
43
                                    You said this like it was major revelation lol
Jan 08th 2020
56
                                         RE: You said this like it was major revelation lol
Apr 18th 2020
63
                               Without Michael Jeffrey, his entire strategy has to change
Jan 03rd 2020
41
                                    RE: Without Michael Jeffrey, his entire strategy has to change
Jan 03rd 2020
42
                                         You are the Skip Bayless of OKS
Jan 04th 2020
48
                                         RE: You are the Skip Bayless of OKS
Jan 04th 2020
51
                                         fox news journalism
Jan 07th 2020
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                                              RE: fox news journalism
Jan 07th 2020
54
did they just sit on this footage for 20 years?
Dec 25th 2019
6
pretty much?
Dec 26th 2019
8
Phenomenal foresight
Dec 26th 2019
9
I'm not the biggest fan of his
Dec 30th 2019
27
      iirc, MJ didn't want to talk about it
Dec 30th 2019
31
Wish they replaced Timberlake and Kobe
Dec 29th 2019
14
in that case, then...why Nas?? I love Nas as a rapper...
Dec 30th 2019
25
I can’t see Nas saying anything important about sports
Dec 30th 2019
28
LOL...exactly...
Dec 30th 2019
30
Nas played point for Queensbridge AAU Illmatic All Stars
Dec 30th 2019
32
scratch him off too!
Dec 31st 2019
35
You gotta have Kobe in there. That was the comparison year
Dec 30th 2019
29
I think the Timberlake angle is the LA court side seats
Dec 30th 2019
33
      RE: I think the Timberlake angle is the LA court side seats
Dec 30th 2019
34
      Probably the Jordan angle...
Jan 02nd 2020
40
           replied at the wrong spot...you mentioned his connection with Jordan, to...
Jan 03rd 2020
44
      Do you think he had courtside seats in 97?
Dec 31st 2019
36
           Not season tickets but for a few Bulls game? Definitely.
Dec 31st 2019
37
                Nsync didn't really start to blow up until like 98-99
Jan 03rd 2020
46
It's a trailer.
Jan 02nd 2020
39
The documentary is set to be released in June
Jan 03rd 2020
45
RE: The documentary is set to be released in June
Jan 03rd 2020
47
I thought the same about OJ: Made In America.
Jan 04th 2020
49
When they ran the 1st teaser, it was 2018.
Jan 04th 2020
50
doesn't seem like it at all. everyone knows its coming
Jan 04th 2020
52
this is basically Avengers: Infinity War for ESPN
Jan 07th 2020
55
new start date: april 19th.
Mar 30th 2020
57
best news I've heard in weeks. Can't come soon enough. YES!!!
Mar 31st 2020
58
Agreed.
Apr 06th 2020
60
5 nights, 2 EPs per night
Mar 31st 2020
59
LOL @ anyone criticizing this before it even airs...
Apr 06th 2020
61
we finally got the full story of how the footage was ultimately unearthe...
Apr 18th 2020
62
TL;DR - Released b/c of Bubba Chuck & Kang
Apr 18th 2020
64
I’m just glad they are going in a tell all direction.
Apr 18th 2020
65
Adam Silver is really, really smart
Apr 19th 2020
67
David Kaplan gave this anecdote on Jerry Krause on the radio yesterday.
Apr 19th 2020
66
i wonder why they chose to jump around the timeline.
Apr 19th 2020
68
they're basically copying the Halberstam book Playing for Keeps
Apr 19th 2020
70
      thx for that info.
Apr 19th 2020
72
Part 1: I had high expectations, and they were exceeded. AMAZING.
Apr 19th 2020
69
just masterfully put together
Apr 19th 2020
71
It's a *great* feat of editing.
Apr 20th 2020
73
Meh...feels like they’re burying the lead
Apr 20th 2020
74
RE: Meh...feels like they’re burying the lead
Apr 20th 2020
75
Agreed, ep 1 should be an introduction
Apr 20th 2020
76
      did you stay up for ep 2? this...did we watch the same show lol
Apr 20th 2020
77
      LOL right?
Apr 20th 2020
79
      if they didn't cover it in the first couple eps they probably wont RE Bi...
Apr 20th 2020
80
      No, just watched about half of ep 2. Let me be specific
Apr 20th 2020
84
           RE: No, just watched about half of ep 2. Let me be specific
Apr 20th 2020
93
      We are probably the same age. I'm in my 40s
Apr 20th 2020
85
context is critical. the whole bulls tenure matters to this last year
Apr 20th 2020
81
im in!
Apr 20th 2020
83
This shit is gonna win an Emmy or an Oscar
Apr 20th 2020
78
where can a cord cutter watch this...
Apr 20th 2020
82
RE: where can a cord cutter watch this...
Apr 20th 2020
86
      Just fired it up on PS4, totally works. ESPN are menschs for this
Apr 20th 2020
88
           I upgraded my hulu package partially for this
Apr 20th 2020
89
Now, the only question is will they really go in regarding his
Apr 20th 2020
87
i disagree with this part
Apr 20th 2020
90
      RE: i disagree with this part
Apr 20th 2020
91
      the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, sports related
Apr 20th 2020
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           RE: the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, sports related
Apr 20th 2020
98
                why do you keep posting about TMac?
Apr 24th 2020
102
I am not looking forward to reliving any Bulls/Knicks games in this doc
Apr 20th 2020
92
it's light for me. the pistons only had one decent year left
Apr 20th 2020
94
EXACTLY!!!
Apr 20th 2020
95
      the pistons recaps will likely be mostly them kicking the shit out of th...
Apr 20th 2020
97
      I'm nowhere near a reformed hater but have considered him the GOAT
Apr 23rd 2020
100
That footage in episode sixth was rough.
May 03rd 2020
171
This really does invoke the same overwhelming feeling I had then
Apr 20th 2020
99
its weird seeing the levels to the drama behind it all
Apr 23rd 2020
101
damn, episodes 3-8 already on the internets
Apr 24th 2020
103
Are they leaked or on a streaming service?
Apr 24th 2020
104
      leaked
Apr 24th 2020
105
John Salley tho
Apr 26th 2020
106
the dude has stories for days...
Apr 26th 2020
107
He used to have the "Spider and the Henchman" podcast
Apr 27th 2020
109
      I've heard the willy t ribbs documentary is good
Apr 27th 2020
110
      That podcast ruled.
Apr 28th 2020
146
      here's the Jordan story he told on LeBatard...
Apr 30th 2020
159
Honestly, he MADE the episode.
Apr 27th 2020
111
Salley is the man always.
Apr 27th 2020
116
tweet of the night
Apr 27th 2020
108
RE: reply 74
Apr 27th 2020
112
You do realize we're seeing what MJ wants us to see right?
Apr 27th 2020
113
      LOL honestly.
Apr 27th 2020
114
      Is that a documentary?
Apr 27th 2020
115
           its not a MJ documentary tho.
Apr 27th 2020
120
                Correct.
Apr 27th 2020
125
                its called the last dance.
Apr 27th 2020
128
The power of editing
Apr 27th 2020
117
ha ha they definitely made it seem like he went to vegas to get him
Apr 27th 2020
118
I thought it was clear from the context that rodman wasn't in vegas
Apr 27th 2020
119
I thought he went down to Vegas to get him...
Apr 27th 2020
121
I also thought he went to Vegas. I think a lot of people did.
Apr 27th 2020
122
The pajamas were a very powerful visual
Apr 27th 2020
123
yeah, a lot of people don't read or listen well.
Apr 27th 2020
127
      It was late and people are in quarantine, let em live!!!!!
Apr 27th 2020
129
      I was half asleep and followed, it's not hard.
Apr 27th 2020
133
      you seem agitated lol. it was a simple mistake. that lots of people made...
Apr 27th 2020
130
      ....what about that seems agitated.
Apr 27th 2020
132
           At this point if you can’t acknowledge being an ass on here means...
Apr 27th 2020
134
                ok, so is it irritated or being an ass?
Apr 27th 2020
135
      my fault, I forgot that some of y'all take offense
Apr 27th 2020
136
      I just didn't interpret that part literally
May 03rd 2020
164
It wasn't clear at all. They didn't do a good job with that edit.
Apr 27th 2020
124
yeah i thought mj went and got his ass from vegas
Apr 27th 2020
126
I wasn't hanging on every word but something in the voiceover...
May 01st 2020
163
i thought he went to vegas too
Apr 28th 2020
143
it wasn't clearly explained
May 10th 2020
240
as usual Zeke is TALKING ABOUT IT but this won't get much airtime...
Apr 27th 2020
131
man, he's all over the place
Apr 28th 2020
137
can that not all be true?
Apr 28th 2020
138
      the Rodman stuff was interesting, but aren't the Pistons culpable?
Apr 28th 2020
139
           uhhhhhhhhhhh no
Apr 28th 2020
141
           got it, then I stand corrected
Apr 28th 2020
144
           you should probably watch the rodman 30 for 30
Apr 28th 2020
142
           wut?
May 21st 2020
433
: )
Apr 28th 2020
140
He messed up walking off the court w/o shaking hands...
Apr 28th 2020
145
RE: He messed up walking off the court w/o shaking hands...
Apr 29th 2020
147
its funny because its not said who on the Piston's initially had the ide...
Apr 29th 2020
148
there was definitely chatter after Bron walked off
Apr 29th 2020
149
Bron got roasted for it
Apr 29th 2020
150
when it happened but its not even brought up now like Zeke 30yrs ago
Apr 29th 2020
151
Sally said on LeBatard a couple weeks ago...
Apr 29th 2020
155
Isaiah lying.
Apr 29th 2020
152
      Did Larry Bird shake hands?
Apr 29th 2020
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      RE: Isaiah lying.
Apr 29th 2020
154
The Celtics got away with it because they had white stars
Apr 29th 2020
157
      #facts
Apr 29th 2020
158
Zeke's jealousy and insecurity is always disappointing
May 01st 2020
162
      He is so interesting as a "character"
May 03rd 2020
165
           RE: He is so interesting as a "character"
May 03rd 2020
166
I refuse to watch it. Fuck the bulls.
Apr 29th 2020
156
Did you watch the OJ doc?
Apr 30th 2020
160
Sorry y'all, this is an all-time great moment.
Apr 30th 2020
161
This is a great sports moment. Glad it came around when it did.
May 03rd 2020
167
Half way in and ep 5 is fucking incredible
May 03rd 2020
168
The beginning almost fucked me up.
May 03rd 2020
170
Great episode. The best one. Music, footage, tone
May 03rd 2020
169
seeing Mike's affection for Kobe back then was heartbreaking
May 04th 2020
172
Slim Bouler? Cmon mannnnn lmao
May 04th 2020
173
Why did that hurt me, so...
May 04th 2020
174
Oh I thought that clip was in jest. Man said he had golf to play!
May 04th 2020
175
      maybe it's editing, but Krause seems even dumber than I remember
May 04th 2020
176
      damn, maybe so...
May 04th 2020
178
ha ha i forgot about a few of these
May 04th 2020
183
so THATs the origin of the Michael Jordan Turnt Up meme
May 04th 2020
177
never seen that but glad I have now
May 04th 2020
179
damn, folk made Clyde get attacked, lol...
May 04th 2020
180
They could have done 20 parts and it wouldn't have gotten stale
May 04th 2020
181
link?
May 04th 2020
184
      RE: link?
May 06th 2020
208
Comedy Gold
May 04th 2020
182
I think I see what one of the Okaysports poster was talking about.
May 04th 2020
185
maybe she didn't want to be interviewed?
May 04th 2020
186
RE: maybe she didn't want to be interviewed?
May 04th 2020
188
      he's authentically and unapologetically a hypercompetitive asshole
May 04th 2020
191
You really want to interview his ex?
May 04th 2020
187
RE: You really want to interview his ex?
May 04th 2020
189
      you're comparing an exwife to a current spouse...
May 04th 2020
190
      RE: you're comparing an exwife to a current spouse...
May 04th 2020
      Have you EVER heard his ex wife speak since the divorce?
May 04th 2020
192
      Yeah.. no.
May 06th 2020
230
There are four hours left
May 04th 2020
195
      RE: There are four hours left
May 04th 2020
196
           Director 'shocked' Michael Jordan approved Episodes 7 & 8
May 05th 2020
205
I think it’s funny how they try to make a big deal out of MJ’s...
May 04th 2020
193
RE: I think it’s funny how they try to make a big deal out of MJ’s.....
May 04th 2020
194
      Jordan stated that he doesn't care about your politics...
May 04th 2020
197
      RE: Jordan stated that he doesn't care about your politics...
May 04th 2020
198
      ok, guy...
May 05th 2020
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           RE: ok, guy...
May 05th 2020
202
      overwhelmingly, people don't give a shit about their heroes' politics
May 05th 2020
199
           who said anything about heroes?..
May 05th 2020
201
      believe it or not, heard a good point on colin cowherd
May 06th 2020
209
           RE: believe it or not, heard a good point on colin cowherd
May 06th 2020
220
                nah i read you clear
May 06th 2020
222
                     Gantt himself said he doesn't how much of a difference it would have...
May 06th 2020
224
Is it me, or is this documentary kinda all over the place????
May 05th 2020
203
The only time I felt that way
May 05th 2020
204
Yeah it seems like the last dance is a sidenote
May 05th 2020
206
RE: Yeah it seems like the last dance is a sidenote
May 06th 2020
215
i think its more of timing
May 06th 2020
217
It's you. Adults with a basic attention span think its great.
May 05th 2020
207
yall niggas be talking to people crazy as fuck
May 06th 2020
210
Welcome to the internet
May 06th 2020
211
for real
May 06th 2020
212
its all laughs to to me but if dude gets off on it, so be it.
May 06th 2020
213
Damn, did I honestly hurt feelings? Serious question.
May 06th 2020
227
      no
May 07th 2020
231
           I obviously hurt your feelings. Do you need a hug? (Serious question)
May 07th 2020
232
                no means no OE
May 08th 2020
236
This.
May 06th 2020
214
so well put
May 06th 2020
216
Some people never look beyond the surface...
May 06th 2020
218
idk why folks cant get this
May 06th 2020
219
Agree
May 07th 2020
233
"So can i show you my tits back at your place?"
May 08th 2020
239
So Mike dissolves his Friendship with Barkley because
May 06th 2020
221
It's almost like he spent more time with one than the other.
May 06th 2020
228
^^^^^ Jerry Krause fan club president, CFO, and membership
May 06th 2020
229
that they released it before they finished EDITING all episodes is crazy
May 06th 2020
223
^^^ goes to bed with Concords on
May 06th 2020
225
I used to be a video editor in news.
May 06th 2020
226
      They had a similar situation with the USA series Briarpatch this year to...
May 11th 2020
265
F*ck Charles Smith. That is all
May 07th 2020
234
they're making every team relive their shit lol
May 08th 2020
235
      yep
May 08th 2020
237
           ROB! :D
May 08th 2020
238
damn MJ was like a test subject for tmz style media
May 10th 2020
241
RE: damn MJ was like a test subject for tmz style media
May 10th 2020
242
      tiger woods wasn't canceled out of shit
May 11th 2020
245
           RE: tiger woods wasn't canceled out of shit
May 11th 2020
246
                also...injuries. but cook on lol
May 11th 2020
248
                RE: also...injuries. but cook on lol
May 11th 2020
253
                     you said the media said his career was done
May 11th 2020
254
                          RE: you said the media said his career was done
May 11th 2020
266
                               every time I think you can't say dumber shit you amaze me
May 12th 2020
283
                               why do you edit posts so much
May 12th 2020
287
                advertisers not fucking with you isn't being canceled you shitbag
May 12th 2020
281
man this shit is amazing.
May 10th 2020
243
Pippen is so emo
May 10th 2020
244
RE: Pippen is so emo
May 11th 2020
247
Lol...how can you say this...
May 11th 2020
251
      RE: Lol...how can you say this...
May 11th 2020
252
twice? you talking about the migraine? LOL
May 11th 2020
249
      delaying surgery out of spite to not fuck up his summer
May 11th 2020
256
           I'll deal without the adjectives but sure
May 12th 2020
288
No one is gonna talk about that LaBradford Smith story, uh?
May 11th 2020
250
I'd never heard of him tbh. Michael Jordan has issues lol
May 11th 2020
255
that was hard as fuck
May 11th 2020
257
Think about what was going through
May 11th 2020
259
RE: Think about what was going through
May 11th 2020
267
made me think of DeNiro's Capone baseball bat scene in The Untouchables
May 11th 2020
278
I mean, players create reasons/stories to motivate themselves...
May 12th 2020
284
      Do you have other examples?
May 12th 2020
292
           In football, Richard Sherman does it
May 14th 2020
321
The funny part is when Michael Jordan tells the interviewer
May 11th 2020
258
for serious you must be a Knicks/Jazz/Pistons fan in Chicago
May 11th 2020
272
RE: for serious you must be a Knicks/Jazz/Pistons fan in Chicago
May 11th 2020
273
      RE: for serious you must be a Knicks/Jazz/Pistons fan in Chicago
May 13th 2020
316
yeah, I gotta call bullshit on that one too
May 12th 2020
285
Scottie taking himself out of that game wasn't a good look
May 11th 2020
260
RE: Scottie taking himself out of that game wasn't a good look
May 11th 2020
268
Two ways to look at that Pippen situation
May 11th 2020
261
him saying he'd do the same thing O_o
May 11th 2020
262
Pip wasn’t even a special “shot maker” like that anyways
May 11th 2020
269
RE: Pip wasn’t even a special “shot maker” like that anyways
May 11th 2020
270
Maybe Phil wanted Pippen to inbound because he was the best passer?
May 11th 2020
274
      ^^^^^^ Pip was special because of his all around game
May 11th 2020
277
situation's so overshadowed by Pippen sitting I forgot what a great shot
May 12th 2020
279
they didn't mention it in the documentary
May 12th 2020
282
I didn't realize that Pip's dunk over Ewing was that same series...
May 11th 2020
263
LOL yup!
May 11th 2020
264
Mike didn't want to admit it but GP was in his ASS in 96 lol
May 11th 2020
271
first part of the series where I felt like MJ took huge liberties
May 11th 2020
275
right bottom line that was by far Mike's worst finals performance ever.....
May 12th 2020
291
      Bulls took their foot off the gas
May 14th 2020
330
exactly. Ball don't lie.
May 13th 2020
298
Stop with the Pippen slander, guys.
May 11th 2020
276
Cmon, Pippenomics is a zero sum game (c) The Money Man
May 12th 2020
280
when LeBron is at his best, he’s some incredible Pippen/Magic hybrid
May 12th 2020
286
...are you referring to him sitting out vs NYK...?
May 12th 2020
289
fuck pippen. fuck all of em.
May 13th 2020
305
      *standing ovation*
May 13th 2020
308
Mike's 'winning mentality'...sounds alot like an abusive relationship
May 12th 2020
290
lets not do this.
May 12th 2020
293
breh...
May 12th 2020
295
fam i thought it couldnt get any worse
May 12th 2020
296
thought i was reading a Vice headline
May 13th 2020
312
no it doesn’t. It sounds like leadership they needed
May 12th 2020
294
the Washington Wizards disagree with you
May 13th 2020
297
      Etan Thomas says Doug Collins ruined Kwame Brown not MJ
May 13th 2020
299
      Kwame Brown was a fragile man child who would've busted anywhere
May 13th 2020
300
      +1, the fights with Kerr and Perdue were not about toughness
May 13th 2020
302
      you should read up on Magic a bit more
May 13th 2020
304
           Care to expound?
May 13th 2020
315
                seemed to come more as his career went on
May 26th 2020
469
                He had a hand in getting Paul Westhead fired
May 27th 2020
489
leadership isnt always pretty and cuddly
May 13th 2020
301
Your reading comprehension is embarrassing
May 13th 2020
303
      RE: Your reading comprehension is embarrassing
May 13th 2020
307
           Have you ever heard of the sister’s rape allegation
May 13th 2020
309
           this post is about to turn into something else...
May 13th 2020
311
           your entire shit is invalidated by your treatment of Krause
May 13th 2020
310
                Umm...mike quit...twice...you're saying that didn't break up the team?
May 13th 2020
314
                     Breh this is disingenuous as fuck and you know it 😂😂😂
May 13th 2020
317
                     RE: Breh this is disingenuous as fuck and you know it 😂😂😂
May 13th 2020
318
                     He quit because he didn’t want those Ls in 94&99
May 14th 2020
319
                          You're completely unhinged, or, business as usual
May 14th 2020
328
                     RE: Umm...mike quit...twice...you're saying that didn't break up the tea...
May 14th 2020
327
there is a conversation to be had about toxic behavior
May 13th 2020
313
      LOL
May 14th 2020
320
RE: ESPN: The Last Dance - 1997-1998 Chicago Bulls 10 part series
May 13th 2020
306
Jordan's security team is the wackest group of nerds ive ever seen
May 14th 2020
322
I believe they were cops/ex cops but float on
May 14th 2020
324
dude expecting hood club bouncers.
May 14th 2020
325
      mostly just someone below the age of 65
May 14th 2020
326
that's....not the point of security
May 14th 2020
329
lol what?
May 14th 2020
331
      oh, you were just saying dumb shit. carry on
May 14th 2020
332
           yes exactly. do i have your permission? or you gonna scold me
May 14th 2020
333
                I'd reply with some evaluation of your behavior
May 14th 2020
336
part of it is how little regular people look next to b-ball players
May 14th 2020
334
there was a scene where jordan was coming off the court and some fan
May 14th 2020
335
the stuff with Gus was actually quite heartwarming
May 23rd 2020
466
Chamillionaire story is all you need to know about Mike
May 14th 2020
323
you're a fucking idiot
May 15th 2020
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      RE: you're a fucking idiot
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      LOL
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MSG is replaying Jordan's best games at the Garden (observations)
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Why does EVERY story about Michael Jordan have to include Buzz Peterson?
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RE: Why does EVERY story about Michael Jordan have to include Buzz Peter...
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      RE: Why does EVERY story about Michael Jordan have to include Buzz Peter...
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Anyone else wondering why this took 20 years to release?
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ommfg
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lol
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lol
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      LOL
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They actually mentioned that MJ decided to
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      2016
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all this time they let niggas call that shit the flu game?
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RE: all this time they let niggas call that shit the flu game?
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hangover sounds really plausible.
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What does it matter dude felt like shit LOL
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      RE: What does it matter dude felt like shit LOL
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stomach flu....
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      nope.
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Now after watching this Jordanmentary , you guys will understand that
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I was thinking about Kukoc last nite as well.
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Oh my god...after researching further
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my question is
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I enjoyed the series for what it was. Was it propganda? Sure
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am i crazy or did they only start highlighting the timeline
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      you tripping. they did the back/forth timeline graphic from the jump
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      Lol...yeah, you buggin fam...they was doin that off the rip
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GOAT doc for the GOAT
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^^^^^^^
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for being a sociopath, still admirable how reverential MJ was to Phil
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agreed, accept in Lebron's case.
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He didn’t want that type of coach. Even tried to can Spolestra
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lol, don't try to slide Duncan in there...
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This "doc" was awesome, and really brought a lot
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Interesting assessment
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RE: Interesting assessment
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do you know how many players can COP that PLEA? lol
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Yeah, I do. How many of them challenge the "GOAT" status
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      RE: Yeah, I do. How many of them challenge the "GOAT" status
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           RE: Yeah, I do. How many of them challenge the "GOAT" status
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                like I said, a lot of people can COP those PLEASE, in a way Lebron...
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yeah. Bron's the only GOAT candidate that hasn't had a GOAT
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      Mehhhh what was wrong with Miami's front office ?
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           Lol I didn't mean at any time in his career.
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           compared to the Lakers, Bulls, Celtics, or Pistons?
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I don't believe that pizza story for one second
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I think folks forget what life was like 22 years ago
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ok, let's hammer this out as more details have dropped.
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So the assumption is that MJ got hammered in fucking UTAH?
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I stayed in Salt Lake 3 nights in a row. It’s impossible to get trashe...
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      exactly. so the only conclusion you can really draw it that he was
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      RE: I stayed in Salt Lake 3 nights in a row. It’s impossible to get tr...
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just 1 example of why this isn’t a documentary
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I don't understand why they felt the need to change the original story.
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No one does
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Krause was offering peanuts to McGrady (swipe)
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RE: Krause was offering peanuts to McGrady (swipe)
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      Then he should put money in scouting & development
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           RE: Then he should put money in scouting & development
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I just hope y'all aren't bored enough to engage with that bulls fan post
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ugh, y'all were that bored.
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      im convinced some of these folks saw a different cut than what aired
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Horace Grant is not for the BULLShit
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Grant was hot!!!
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dude looks more intimidating now than his younger self
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So I created a thread stating that as a bulls fan I will no
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I have a friend who is an MJ hater
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i'm just sitting back laughing about everyone in their feelings now...
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      RE: i'm just sitting back laughing about everyone in their feelings now....
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           i think you're being way too sensitive about this.
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                RE: i think you're being way too sensitive about this.
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didn't everyone know he was a colossal asshole already?
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RE: didn't everyone know he was a colossal asshole already?
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Black Trump (c)
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I've been saying this since the 90s
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      its like pissing in the wind
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           nah. Hodges said something about the drug shit that made me think
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           man, y'all way too invested.
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                y'all some weirdos.
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                GTFOH with this Kellyanne Conway alternative facts ass bullshit
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           Some of you guys have no idea what you are talking about, and
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           you sound like gregg knaffel, for real
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           Of course it's snitching lol there were like 10-12 players on the team
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                its only snitching if you name names IMO
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                     RE: its only snitching if you name names IMO
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Arguably the best crossover of all time.
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The more I think on this docu-ganda, I'm more conviced that
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yea the doc is clearly an auto-biography of MJ
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RE: yea the doc is clearly an auto-biography of MJ
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you realize MJ would've been almost 40 then? and yeah he came back...
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      there were 3 years between his 2nd retirement and
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Michael Jordan caught in another lie
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lol
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RE: Michael Jordan caught in another lie
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      but if jordan wipes his anal region with a towel during COVID...
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           *__*
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1. Look at you blindly believing Utah resident "Craig Fire"
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      It matters when you call something a documentary
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      dude. wtf side wasn't told?
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           you want to start with the gambling?
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                who cares if he has a gambling problem?
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                     Apparently, you do
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                     i actually don't.
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                          and yet here you are...not caring
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                               it's a documentary.
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                               RE: who cares if he has a gambling problem
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                                    * I * don't care about Mike's gambling issues.
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                                         RE: * I * don't care about Mike's gambling issues.
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                                              you're talking about the dictionary definitely of a documentary
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                                                   what?
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                                                        fine, i'll answer your question but you ain't gonna like it.
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                                                             RE: fine, i'll answer your question but you ain't gonna like it.
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                                                                  the team totally forgot about it????
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                                                                  WHERE WAS THIS SAID BECAUSE NOW YOU LYING.
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                                                                       RE: WHERE WAS THIS SAID BECAUSE NOW YOU LYING.
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                                                                            okay dude. i'm done.
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                                                                            RE: okay dude. i'm done.
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                                                                            you're literally arguing with yourself.
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                                                                            RE: you're literally arguing with yourself.
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                                                                            LOL...bro, just take the L...
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                               the fact that you're up in here using "karen"
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                     RE: who cares if he has a gambling problem?
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                          RE: who cares if he has a gambling problem?
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      RE: 1. Look at you blindly believing Utah resident "Craig Fire&...
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           How dare a pizza delivered in SLC be made by a man from Utah
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The Final Dance
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Two takeaways from this 10 part series
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pretty much
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Jordan caught in another lie.
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Hot take: KJ, Hardaway, and Price were all better than Isiah by ‘92
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RE: Who really cares?   
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RE: Who really cares?   
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KJ, Tim, and Price were better than Isiah old ass in ‘92  
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      ^^always goes hard to the paint.
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      Care less...you're still doing it wrong
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Bitch, this nigga name Frankie G round my way was better than Bird in 92
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uh, listening to the audio it backs up what jordan said on last dance
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      ...
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      don't bother. these niggas be LUNCHING
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who gives a fuck. mad people didn't want Zeke on the team.
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      Did Chuck Daly ever speak on this? I know he wrote a couple of books...
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      don't try to make others the problem because that yellow eye bitch lied
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           two things can be true.
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                     lol. whatever dude.
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                          RE: lol. whatever dude.
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GOAT just off the anger that he still generates
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Lol fair
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basically.
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no doubt
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#facts
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1. "here for it"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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2. "One interesting name missing from"
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the original post is good ole Zeke. Those clips should be very very interesting to say the least. Has Isiah been more diplomatic towards Jordan in recent years? Also, has Jordan more diplomatic towards Zeke?

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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3. "this about to be haaaaaaaaaaaaard"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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4. "RE: ESPN: The Last Dance - 1997-1998 Chicago Bulls 10 part series"
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This is going to be a personal documentary for people from Chicago, so it might be a tough watch for me. Entering the 97-98 season, everyone knew the team was going to be dismantled at the end of the year. And it was. There was constant bickering between Jackson and Krause, Jordan and Krause, Rodman issues, and Krause working in the background on Jackson’s coaching replacement and moving away from Jordan. That season was tense and stressful.

I don’t know why Justin Timberlake is in the documentary. He isn’t from Chicago and I don’t recall him having a significant moment with the bulls during that run. I guess they are going to juxtapose *NSYNC’s success that year with what the bulls were doing. Everyone else being involved appears to spot on.

  

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5. "not from the Chi but a die hard...I remember some of this"
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>This is going to be a personal documentary for people from
>Chicago, so it might be a tough watch for me. Entering the
>97-98 season, everyone knew the team was going to be
>dismantled at the end of the year. And it was. There was
>constant bickering between Jackson and Krause, Jordan and
>Krause, Rodman issues, and Krause working in the background on
>Jackson’s coaching replacement and moving away from Jordan.
>That season was tense and stressful.

I was in college so not watching every WGN/TNT/NBC game, but caught some and of course locked in for the playoffs. Without having a 24-7 news cycle and social media, the information was more controlled and limited at that time. I think the league started with a lockout so despite the threepeat, all chances of keeping the dynasty together went away with the work stoppage.

If they knew then what they knew 10 years or so later (I'd say now but several have died), I'd like to think they'd have fought tooth and nail to keep that squad together. Especially when considering a shortened season would have given them more gas in the tank and they could have handled the Knicks or Spurs.

  

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7. "RE: not from the Chi but a die hard...I remember some of this"
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Naw. It was a done deal by Krause and Jerry. Krause ( and somewhat Jerry) wanted to prove that he could win without Phil and Jordan. Krause already stated that executives build championship teams. Krause wanted Phil gone, and Jordan stated that he wasn’t going to play for another coach. It was a wrap. Krause had Tim Floyd lined up even before the start of the season.

Basically, everyone was tired of each other.

Rodman went to the lakers as a FA
Kerr went to the spurs
PIp was traded to the Rockets.
Jordan retired


But at the same time Jerry Krause is probably the greatest gm of all time, whether you like him or not. Dude found gems and knew how to draft to compliment Jordan and didn’t give in to his demands like the GMs of this era.

  

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10. "Jerry Krause is the greatest GM of all time?"
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>But at the same time Jerry Krause is probably the greatest gm
>of all time, whether you like him or not. Dude found gems and
>knew how to draft to compliment Jordan and didn’t give in to
>his demands like the GMs of this era.

  

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11. "RE: Jerry Krause is the greatest GM of all time?"
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Hell and Yes. To me he is, and I don't even like him. But as a GM and what he had to deal with? Not even Jerry West could have pulled it off.

How he built a dynasty:


- SCOTTIE PIPPEN. He was the only one who knew about him. He wasn't even on other GM's draft board. Even Polynice was like who the hell is Scottie Pippen(?) when he was traded for him. Krause knew about this kid's ability for a long time and kept him hidden. But once Scottie started destroying all the draft prospects during the combines, krause had to get him off the board as soon as possible. Sonics always wanted Polynice and was going to get him with the 5th pick, but the bulls had the 8th pick, and anything could have happened between those picks. So Krause struck a deal with the sonics to draft Pippen. Sonics didn't care because they didn't know about him, and they were getting two extra picks. So they probably thought they were getting away with highway robbery. One of the greatest pre draft trade deals of all time.

- Hiring Phil Jackson as coach, another gem. Phil was a coach in the CBA, and teams were looking at him as a hire. Back then, being a CBA coach was not a positive reflection.

- Trading Oakley to bring in Cartwright to get a center who could hit a mid range shot. Oakley was just a rebound guy.

- His drafting and trades to surround jordan with the right pieces.

- hired Tex Winter the brain of the Triangle Offense.

- trading perdue for rodman.

- the scouting and signing of toni kukoc

- I can go on and on about how this man kept chicago competitive for 8 straight years and 6 world championships, 2 3peats

- And he proved that he could win without Michael Jordan. In the year that jordan retired, scottie lead the bulls to being one game away from the eastern conference finals and was still competitive as hell. Jordan never got out of the first round without Krause or Pippen.

Jordan constantly degraded Krause in the media, reprimanded him for his trades and draft picks. Krause never gave in, and the bulls kept winning. No other GM would have endured that. The bulls didn't let the players or coaches try to run stuff, or create problems like with the Lakers or Knicks.

I'm not a big Krause or Reinsdorf fan, but they kept that shit in check.That's why players don't want to come here. They will not be able to run the show. ..









  

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12. "And if the greatest player of all time doesn’t fall into Rod Thorn’s..."
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the year before Krause is hired all that bs is irrelevant.



LiquidDope is that you?
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13. "I disagree."
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They wouldn't have been a dynasty. However, he would have put together a championship.

The main piece to all of it was Scottie Pippen, hands down. And Krause made that happen. Jordan sometimes gets too much credit.

Case in point, at the beginning of the last championship run, Pippen missed 2-3 months due to toe surgery, the bulls were absolutely terrible during that time. I think they went 9-7 or 8-8. That's when talks really started to heat up about dismantling the team.

Pippen was the one who ran the triangle offense the way it was supposed to be run, because just like Kobe ,Jordan would break the offense ...a lot. Jordan couldn't run it the right way, which led to a lot of isolations. ....and the bulls lost a lot.

Scottie Pippen was the true center piece bro.


  

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15. ".500 isn’t absolutely terrible"
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Definitely agree Pippen was important to their chemistry.

Season is way too long to cal them terrible without Pippen

shut up already, damn

  

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18. "RE: .500 isn’t absolutely terrible"
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Dude that shit was terrible. I was there. Bulls were getting their asses kicked by double digits, and the offense looked like shit. This is when people realized how good pippen was and the true general of the team, and begging for his return. The bulls were scoring
just 87 points a game, last place in scoring.


9-7 from a team that went 72-10 2 years prior and how they were getting their asses locked. That’s was unacceptable from the bulls at the time. Just like shit is unacceptable from the lakers in this day and age.

If you were there in Chicago or from Chicago, then you would have an understanding of the constant expectations of that team. The team was already being written off ...that’s how bad it was, and the purpose of the documentary to showcase that.


“. Chicago Bulls coach Phil Jackson has been around the NBA long
enough to be able to identify a crumbling dynasty. The telltale
signs include an aging roster, a sudden inability to win on the
road, nagging injuries to key players and a general malaise.
"When it goes, it goes quickly," says Jackson, who experienced
such a decline as a member of the New York Knicks, who won a
championship in 1973 but couldn't make the playoffs three
seasons later.

Are Jackson's Bulls on a similar downward spiral? After losses
on consecutive nights last week, 101-80 in Cleveland to the
Cavaliers and 90-83 at the United Center to the Washington
Wizards, the defending champions were mired in mediocrity with a
4-4 record (0-3 on the road). After those two defeats, Chicago,
which tied with the Utah Jazz for the NBA lead in scoring last
season with an average of 103.1 points, was producing 87.5
points a game, last in the NBA, and had not broken 100 in any
game. Perhaps more ominous, the five-time-champion Bulls' aura
of invincibility had evaporated. Losing to the Cavaliers by 21
points? Could a squad that still included Michael Jordan have
deteriorated into just another team?

The answer may have come, in part, last Friday and Saturday in
Bulls' wins at the United Center over the Charlotte Hornets,
105-92, and the Cavaliers, 79-70. In those victories Jordan
exhibited some of his trademark swagger, dunking and shooting
and playing defense with an exclamation point. Crisis
averted--for the moment, anyway.

Still, the Bulls' worries for the long term lingered. Although
Jackson conceded that Chicago had reached "its lowest ebb in
three years" last week, he reserved final judgment until
seven-time All-Star Scottie Pippen, who underwent surgery on
Oct. 6 to repair a soft tissue injury to his left foot, sees his
first action of 1997-98, probably in mid-December. "I'm not
going to beat these guys up over losing games we would have won
with Scottie," Jackson said last Friday.



ORIGINAL LAYOUT
Pippen's absence, however, has shown how vital a cog he is in
the Bulls' machine. While Pippen has long been recognized as one
of the game's top players, his accolades customarily have come
with an addendum: He couldn't have done it without Jordan. What
hadn't occurred to many observers was that perhaps Jordan
couldn't have done it without Pippen.

Pippen is central to the delicate balance of Chicago's triangle
offense. He's the primary ball handler and an unselfish
distributor who often passes up his own scoring opportunity to
create a better one for a teammate. Moreover, as a perimeter
threat, he makes opponents pay for double-teaming Jordan.

  

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16. "Bulls were 24-11 when Pippen played his first game of the season "
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They started the season 9-7. They went 15-4 after that, and then Pippen came back. Quick basketball reference research.

  

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17. "RE: Bulls were 24-11 when Pippen played his first game of the season "
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Sun Dec-29-19 02:24 PM by allStah

          

Exactly they started off 9-7 , and had already lost more games than they had lost starting out in the in the previous 2 seasons, and they looked really bad as far as the flow off the offense. They were absolutely terrible, losing games by double digits. Sports illustrated did a write up on it and the issues were clear as day. Scottie was a main cog if not the main cog. Considering their record in the past 2 seasons, especially the 72-10 season, the City was pissed.

I was here in Chicago and it was bad, so that 24-11 record does not showcase how bad it was. Again 2 years prior they were 72-10 for the season. And Already had more losses before the allStar break. Team was barely scoring 80 points, offense didn’t move. Defense had went to shit. Etc And even though we won the championship it didn’t feel like it because of how badly the team played for most of the season and all the drama that came with it.

And from there the breakup talks were constantly in the news.

SI writeup:

https://www.si.com/vault/1997/11/24/235238/hurry-back-lacking-injured-catalyst-scottie-pippen-and-a-lot-of-their-old-fire-the-bulls-have-been-struggling-just-to-score

  

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19. "I never had any doubt who was winning it that year"
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I couldn’t have cared less about the Bulls really, so media narratives weren’t something I cared about or paid attention to. Everybody knew when it got to playoff time that the Bulls were going to win it again.

  

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21. "RE: I never had any doubt who was winning it that year"
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Ha! Glad the documentary is coming out to show how bad things were.

Dude bulls barely made it to the championship. Pacers pushed them to 7 games, and only one other team forced the bulls to 7 games in a series throughout the dynasty run , and that was the Knicks back in 1993.

No one was sure that the bulls were going to win that year, not even the organization. Everyone knew it was the last year the team was going to be together. There was too much drama going ...too much. Had that team stayed together they wouldn’t have won it all the following year. Jordan was old ( which was obvious), Harper had aged, the bench wasn’t as good, and other teams were stronger and younger.

Winning the championship that year was more of a relief than a celebration.

“ it was the last dance”

  

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24. "I was a bulls hater so I remember this differently. "
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wasn’t no celebrating or thinking they weren’t going to win another ring.

Just knew it wasn’t going to be a record breaking season

shut up already, damn

  

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20. "How old were you when all this happened? "
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shut up already, damn

  

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22. "RE: How old were you when all this happened? "
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Who the hell cares?

Just watch the documentary to see how difficult that season was.

  

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23. "Just sayin bruh.. if you were young it may have felt more dramatic"
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I’m old af so I remember it differently. It was more of a “these niggas will get it together”

and I’m sure they are going to be dramatic af for all those years. Prolly some real good stories we never heard about.

shut up already, damn

  

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26. "RE: Just sayin bruh.. if you were young it may have felt more dramatic"
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I was in my 20s.

And it was dramatic for the people in Chicago, because of the constant coverage, from the radio to the TV. And back in those days radio was huge,especially in chicago, because chicago is still a huge radio city. I still listen to WMVP ESPN Chicago daily ( on AM!).

It was like what the hell is going on? Why are we not blowing weak teams a way? And then Dennis Rodman with his constant stuff off the court, and Jordan saying that he will not play for another coach,etc.

I can understand your take because you were on the outside, so as most outside viewers you probably couldn't see anyone beating the bulls. It's similar to how people view the patriots, even though they have tons of crap going on, like cheating incidents, brady declining and getting older, defense and offense not what it used to be. But people are still thinking they are the patriots, and they will eventually get it together even though they look like shit. Actually, the patriots situation is a great example.


Also, think about the upcoming teams that year. They were hungry and coming on strong and they knew the bulls were weak, especially the pacers. We won the central by 1 or 2 games.

Lakers won 61 games that year. and that was the rising of Shaq, Kobe, Fox, Horry and Fisher.

Pacers team was deep as fuck from the starters to the bench

Heat under Riley,

Jersey was coming on.

And the Spurs had the blocks in place to start their dynasty. that was duncan's rookie year and they won 56 games.

pacers, jersey, spurs, lakers all went to the championship a few years later.

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Once the bulls' starting lineup could no longer put up points and blow teams out, our bench wasn't the type of bench to come from behind or extend leads. Our bench was designed to manage the game while the starters got at least 5-7 mins rest. Kerr, Kukoc were the main scorers, with wennington and Judd to hit a few shots here and there. And then you had players like Burrell, Caffery and Brown. Now compare that bench to what other teams had going for them. A new generation of players had come....

I can 100 percent say that I'm glad the team didn't come back because it would have been a sad,sad downfall. They went out on top even though it was a huge struggle.

  

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38. "Jordan turned 35 during this season"
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-Was coming off back to back seasons in which they played 100+ games (Jordan played all 82 games each season at almost 38mpg. This is why I laugh at the load management dudes. You get paid millions to sacrifice your body for the entertainment of basketball fans and can retire by 35-40 most instances with more money than most people see in a lifetime but you need games off? You already get summers off!!!)

-Had, to that point, the most winningest 2 seasons span (72 and 69 wins) in history.

-The second best player on the team missed 35 games and an aging Jordan led them to what was essentially a 56 win pace (which would have been the second best record in the east and tied for 5th best overall) basically being triple teamed every night.

Jason Caffey and Randy Brown were starting a portion of the early part of the season when Pip was out. But Pip was the team? Nah fam.

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43. "RE: Jordan turned 35 during this season"
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Fam: "I'm not
going to beat these guys up over losing games we would have won
with Scottie," Jackson said last Friday.

That’s all you need to know.



  

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56. "You said this like it was major revelation lol"
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That statement could literally be said about any team missing one of it's top 2 players.

Let me f*ck your whole sh*t up though...earlier you said, as a reasoning as to why Pip was so important, was that when Mike retired, the Bulls were 1 game from the ECF.

That year, the Bulls, without their best player, went 55-27. Had the 3rd best record in the East and was tied for the 6th best record overall. You know how they started that season: 4-7. Yup. They were 4-7 to start the year without MJ. After 16 games they were 8-8. Pippen and Horace Grant were both 28, BJ was 26 and Kukoc was 25 as a rookie who had played several yrs of pro ball overseas.

So if you're looking at it comparatively by YOUR criterion, the bulls, sans Pippen in 97/98 actually started BETTER than the 94/95 bulls sans Jordan. And to top it off, Jordan was 34 when this season started, had a much OLDER supporting cast (Rodman 36, Longley and Kukoc 29, Kerr 32, Harper 34) and yet he led the team to a 24-11 record which was a better pace than the 94/95 team finished at.

And let's not forget what I'm disputing. You said:

"The main piece to all of it was Scottie Pippen, hands down. And Krause made that happen. Jordan sometimes gets too much credit.

Case in point, at the beginning of the last championship run, Pippen missed 2-3 months due to toe surgery, the bulls were absolutely terrible during that time. I think they went 9-7 or 8-8. That's when talks really started to heat up about dismantling the team."

^^^This is Bullsh*t revisionist history fallacy and you should be ashamed of the poor reasoning without context.

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63. "RE: You said this like it was major revelation lol"
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Ain’t shit revisionist about that. They were terrible during that stretch. It was clear as day , and since Phil already knew that Krause wasn’t bringing him back, and Jordan not wanting to play for any other coach, talks about the inevitable breakup intensified. That’s all that was being discussed. That they didn’t look the same. That they looked slower

Also Jordan was getting old even though he was still a great player. His scoring average dropped and his shooting percentage dropped. Plus the bulls had the second oldest team in the league. And that really showcased itself when Scottie was out.

That sixth year was way less dominating than their previous 5 championships, and a struggle from beginning to end. As I stated before, they won the division by 2 games over Indiana , and Indiana took them 7 games in the ECF. Indiana definitely had the better, younger team. Bulls’experience got them over. But it was pretty evident that the team needed to be broken up....it was the last dance. Run was done.....also having to deal with pacer fans talking shit on the radio.

There wasn’t anything dominating or decisive about that season, and it was mired in tons of speculation, uncertainty, and drama about the team. Winning the championship that year was more a relief , than it was a huge celebration.

Why do you think we are about to watch a documentary, not about on how great that season was, but on how much of struggle it was on and off the court.


  

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41. "Without Michael Jeffrey, his entire strategy has to change"
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>
>They wouldn't have been a dynasty. However, he would have put
>together a championship.

By the time he drafted Pippen, Jordan was already established as THE TRUTH. Would he have had the freedom to make such moves if they were still searching for a number one? Or, likely in possession of the league's worst record and PICKING number 1?

>The main piece to all of it was Scottie Pippen, hands down.
>And Krause made that happen. Jordan sometimes gets too much
>credit.
>
>Case in point, at the beginning of the last championship run,
>Pippen missed 2-3 months due to toe surgery, the bulls were
>absolutely terrible during that time. I think they went 9-7 or
>8-8. That's when talks really started to heat up about
>dismantling the team.
>
>Pippen was the one who ran the triangle offense the way it was
>supposed to be run, because just like Kobe ,Jordan would break
>the offense ...a lot. Jordan couldn't run it the right way,
>which led to a lot of isolations. ....and the bulls lost a
>lot.
>
>Scottie Pippen was the true center piece bro.

There's no question that they're NLT top 5 NBA duo of all time. However, MJ had Pip for the remainder of his Bulls career after year 3, so he was never going to play with as talented or a more talented team without Pip. However, Pip was on a tremendously talented and deep Blazers team that SHOULD have put the Lakers away in 2000. The "MJ never won a ring without Pip" is such a weak argument, especially since the same folks making that claim overlook Pip's 2000 letdown with the Blazers. He reinforced or proved once and for all in that series that as great as he was, he was not an Alpha Dog. That's why he and Mike worked so well together.

  

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42. "RE: Without Michael Jeffrey, his entire strategy has to change"
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Let down with the blazers?

What he did with the blazers was beyond incredible , which is why he always gets commended for it, considering with what he had to deal with it.

- He had an old Sabonis, whose body was taped together with duck tape. Now what was impressive is that he was he still killing cats at his age, which shows you how great he was. But with a prime Sabonis lakers would have been destroyed.

- they were called the jail blazers for a reason. Pippen was working with a young Wallace, a young Randolph, a young Wells, a young stoudamire. Cats were constantly in trouble with law, etc. just imagine if Scottie had those guys when they became mature. It was because of Scottie they got that far. Scottie’s leadership kept it together. Jordan wouldn’t have dealt with it. It wasn’t his character to help other teammates, which is why Scottie was needed to keep players involved and get them involved. Go read that Jailblazers book on how crazy those dudes were. jR rider was even on that team at one point.. And they even had Greg Anthony and Jermaine O’Neal....just a bunch of young crazy cats at the time.

- Scottie was wayyyy past his prime, which made what he did impressive. This was after leaving the rockets. He was 34 years old and in his 13th season. Just imagine if Scottie was with this team in his prime. Plus that was his first season with the team

- lakers were the favorites in the series, and Phil would have gotten fired had he lost that series. I still remember Magic Johnson being angry that the lakers were down by 15 on national TV.. The lakers were stacked and Portland had no business even being there.

His stint with Portland puts his greatness on even a higher level. Paul Allen stated it himself.

Jordan without pippen didn’t go well and the triangle would rarely get run. This is why Jordan talked about how Tex winter would come down on him about breaking the triangle in his hall of fame speech. “ there is no I in team” ...Jordan: “ but there is an I in win”.

The bottom line: Jordan never advanced without Pippen or Jackson. Pippen has won without both and Jackson won without both. Just stating facts

  

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48. "You are the Skip Bayless of OKS"
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shut up already, damn

  

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51. "RE: You are the Skip Bayless of OKS"
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Don’t assassinate my character liked that, fam

  

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53. "fox news journalism "
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>Let down with the blazers?
>
>What he did with the blazers was beyond incredible , which is
>why he always gets commended for it, considering with what he
>had to deal with it.
>
>- He had an old Sabonis, whose body was taped together with
>duck tape. Now what was impressive is that he was he still
>killing cats at his age, which shows you how great he was. But
>with a prime Sabonis lakers would have been destroyed.

Fam, Sabonis STARTED in the NBA at 30. FOH with "Prime Sabonis"
>
>- they were called the jail blazers for a reason. Pippen was
>working with a young Wallace, a young Randolph, a young Wells,
>a young stoudamire. Cats were constantly in trouble with law,
>etc. just imagine if Scottie had those guys when they became
>mature. It was because of Scottie they got that far.
>Scottie’s leadership kept it together.

his numbers weren't remarkable.

Jordan wouldn’t
>have dealt with it. It wasn’t his character to help other
>teammates, which is why Scottie was needed to keep players
>involved and get them involved.
lol
Does anyone honestly believe that Pippen becoming possibly the best perimeter defender was a coincidence, or who he got to go against everyday in practice?

MJ was certified G BEFORE Pip showed up so let's not act like his offensive repertoire was due to Pip.

Go read that Jailblazers book
>on how crazy those dudes were. jR rider was even on that team
>at one point.. And they even had Greg Anthony and Jermaine
>O’Neal....just a bunch of young crazy cats at the time.
their crazy ain't got nothing to do with a Game 7 THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD.

>- Scottie was wayyyy past his prime, which made what he did
>impressive. This was after leaving the rockets. He was 34
>years old and in his 13th season. Just imagine if Scottie was
>with this team in his prime. Plus that was his first season
>with the team
ok so when the Bulls won their 6th title, Michael was 35. Why are you making Scottie sound like a relic? This ain't a time capsule, we can't have everybody in their prime, we have them when we do.


>- lakers were the favorites in the series, and Phil would have
> gotten fired had he lost that series. I still remember Magic
>Johnson being angry that the lakers were down by 15 on
>national TV.. The lakers were stacked and Portland had no
>business even being there.
all that notwithstanding, Jordan ain't blowing a 15 point 4th quarter lead.
>
>His stint with Portland puts his greatness on even a higher
>level. Paul Allen stated it himself.

ooooooh, afficionado Paul Allen!

>
>Jordan without pippen didn’t go well and the triangle would
>rarely get run. This is why Jordan talked about how Tex winter
>would come down on him about breaking the triangle in his hall
>of fame speech. “ there is no I in team” ...Jordan: “
>but there is an I in win”.
>
>The bottom line: Jordan never advanced without Pippen or
>Jackson. Pippen has won without both and Jackson won without
>both. Just stating facts

there is no "bottom line." Jordan never played on a contender once he was done with the Bulls. You're not trying to say that Jordan couldn't have won with other good players are you?




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54. "RE: fox news journalism "
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Sabonis was like 34- 35 that year, and almost every part of his body had been operated on, because Russia ran that dude in the ground. Do you realize how great Sabonis was? You see all these bigs dribbling, shooting threes , getting assists and moving like PGs . He was the first to do all that back in the 80s! He is the reason why the damn dream team was put together because Russia was killing cats because of him.

Sabonis was originally drafted by the Atlanta hawks in the 80s, but the draft was voided due to him not being age eligible at 21. Rules were different back then. He finally came into the nba later on, but he was already physically broken by then...but he still came
Over here and murked nba players while hobbled and limping

With a pre injury, pre 34 year old Sabonis, blazers would have mopped the league. No Fucking doubt about it.

Hell had the hawks been allowed to draft him, with Wilkins , doc rivers, tree Rollins , etc, Fucking lakers and Celtics might not have had dynasties.

We don’t know what Jordan would have done , because he didn’t do it. Pippen and Phil did. That’s the point.

Pippen ate up every single player in the draft camp with his two way ability. He was Krause’s greatest secret. Jordan had nothing to do with making pippen great. Shit was inevitable first time he hit the court.

  

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6. "did they just sit on this footage for 20 years?"
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whats the story there?

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8. "pretty much?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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9. "Phenomenal foresight "
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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27. "I'm not the biggest fan of his"
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but I'm surprised Bill Simmons didn't get his hands on this while he was at ESPN. Or perhaps his Boston blinders hindered him from doing something with that footage.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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31. "iirc, MJ didn't want to talk about it"
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and without him there's no documentary

maybe I just made that up, but it's not like the footage wasn't known about and I'm sure any number of people wanted to do the project

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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14. "Wish they replaced Timberlake and Kobe "
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With somebody who can add more insight instead of just being famous.
Who needs their 2 cents, this flick will be watched regardless.

''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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25. "in that case, then...why Nas?? I love Nas as a rapper..."
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but, I'd rather hear Kobe's take on a basketball doc than his.

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28. "I can’t see Nas saying anything important about sports "
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I’m pretty sure I’m going to here

“It was crazy, nah mean.. he’s like.. the greatest”

“blah blah blah.. John Starks dunk”

It was a nice dunk tho.. lol. Highlight of NY basketball on the 90’s

shut up already, damn

  

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30. "LOL...exactly..."
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I literally did that in my head when I was replying.

"I mean...you know...when son was in town it was like...must see, yaknow? Like...son was royalty, b"

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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32. "Nas played point for Queensbridge AAU Illmatic All Stars"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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35. "scratch him off too!"
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no need for all of that.
i don't care to hear about how they all felt about it unless there is something they contribute that we didn't know already.
i'd rather hear bill wennington's take over all of theirs.
leave the other shit for the other corny docs with talking heads that should just stfu.

''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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29. "You gotta have Kobe in there. That was the comparison year"
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I think that was his second year, and he averaged 15 points a game that season. And that's when people really start saying that Kobe played just like Mike and was the second coming of mike. Also, I think that was the year they played in the same all star game and the iconic pick of them leaning over side by side took place, where mike was giving him advice on when to spin off a post up move ( "when you feel the defender on your legs").

That was the year the torch was passed.

Plus the lakers were on the rise. They had won 61 games that year. So kobe is going to have an immense amount of insight!


Yeah timberlake shouldn't be there, but I guess they are going to side be side the success of the bulls and nsync...because they were both the biggest entertainment sensation in america during that time.

  

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33. "I think the Timberlake angle is the LA court side seats"
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I can’t really see how *NSYNC’s success will be compared to TJ e Bulls unless someone played that shit in the locker room

shut up already, damn

  

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34. "RE: I think the Timberlake angle is the LA court side seats"
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It’s a period piece. So Everything major that was going own at the time was and will be juxtaposed.

- Clinton sex scandal
- home run record Chase
- America really hearing the name bin laden for the first time.
- resurgence of boy bands after grunge music had dominated for the early part of the 90s.

So I’m sure they’ll speak briefly on it.


Plus Justin:
- had a shoe deal with Jordan brand
- was a minority owner of the Grizzlies

So basically all the above.



It’s a ten part series.. they are going to go in. Can’t wait for the Rodman stuff


  

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40. "Probably the Jordan angle..."
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He’s cool with MJ and Tinker...and has his own J color way.

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44. "replied at the wrong spot...you mentioned his connection with Jordan, to..."
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36. "Do you think he had courtside seats in 97?"
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37. "Not season tickets but for a few Bulls game? Definitely. "
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Nigga prolly performed the half time show as well.

shut up already, damn

  

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46. "Nsync didn't really start to blow up until like 98-99"
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39. "It's a trailer."
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I wouldn't put too much stock in what their input is.
It was just to show a face.

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45. "The documentary is set to be released in June"
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The holiday commercial blitz is too much

Woulda made more sense to promote during the nba playoffs

I would like to watch it...but 6 months from now...c’mon man

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47. "RE: The documentary is set to be released in June"
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Agreed. It makes no sense. 6 months away?
And it’s ten parts. Does that mean it will run for ten days? How many minutes per segment? 1 hour? 2 hours?

10 parts seem way too long.

  

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49. "I thought the same about OJ: Made In America."
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Turns out it was perfect.
The subject matter required all the episodes.

I'm hoping this is in the same vein.
It's not just about that last Bulls run.
It's about the NBA. Jordan. Sports culture. Race. Celebrity.

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50. "When they ran the 1st teaser, it was 2018."
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Or at least early 2019.
At the time it was hard to get excited about a series that's over a year away.
I agree the roll out of this has been horrible.

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52. "doesn't seem like it at all. everyone knows its coming"
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the entire target audience is talking about it.

that's the whole point of a rollout and starting this early

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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55. "this is basically Avengers: Infinity War for ESPN"
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this aint a normal ass 30 for 30.

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57. "new start date: april 19th."
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https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/1244819227279675395
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ESPN is moving the start date for its 10-part Michael Jordan documentary, “The Last Dance,” to Sunday, April 19. It was originally slated for June.
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58. "best news I've heard in weeks. Can't come soon enough. YES!!!"
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I think this is going to be on the level of the OJ one they did a few years ago, albeit not as morbid.

Even just the little film they've teased looks stunning

  

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60. "Agreed."
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OJ: Made In America was about more than just the trial or OJ.

With 10 episodes I'm excited to see where they go with it.

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59. "5 nights, 2 EPs per night"
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61. "LOL @ anyone criticizing this before it even airs..."
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..TOKPR.

Hilarisad.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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62. "we finally got the full story of how the footage was ultimately unearthe..."
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An all-access Michael Jordan documentary? How 'The Last Dance' was made possible

THE PITCH WAS as audacious in 1997 as it would be today.

A producer for NBA Entertainment wanted to do an all-access, season-long documentary with Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls as they headed into what was likely to be their final season together.

In the huddles as Phil Jackson coached. Behind closed doors as Michael Jordan barked instructions and four-letter words. In the training room as Scottie Pippen vented about general manager Jerry Krause's publicly humiliating trade discussions involving him. Off the court -- or Atlantic City, in the case of Dennis Rodman, who escaped there in the middle of the Finals to wrestle Hulk Hogan.

Asking for this kind of access, with a team with as much controversy and pressure swirling around it as the 1997-98 Bulls, was unprecedented.

"I mean, then, as it is now, Michael was one of the most famous people on the planet," said NBA commissioner Adam Silver, who was the head of NBA Entertainment at the time. "And there were rumors that it was going to be Michael's last season."

NBA Entertainment producer Andy Thompson wasn't worried about any of that when he pitched the idea to his bosses, Silver and executive Gregg Winik.

"I remember thinking, 'Man, this guy is going to retire,'" Thompson said. "'And we've never really fully documented a year in the life of potentially the greatest athlete in the history of the sport.'"

Thompson, the younger brother of Los Angeles Lakers center Mychal Thompson and uncle to future Golden State Warriors guard Klay Thompson, had built a relationship with Jordan and shot several home videos that involved him over the years. But nothing as extensive as this. Nobody had.

But Silver believed in NBAE's mission as the league's archivist, and in opening up the game and its personalities to the world. That meant more than postgame interviews and home videos of championship runs. To do something more, he would have to convince the best team in the league and the best player in the league to let cameras into their inner sanctum.

He started by asking Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf, who was open to the idea, but only if Jordan and Jackson were on board.

"The coach, at the end of the day, controls the locker room," Silver said. "So we needed Phil's cooperation."

You can actually see Silver meeting with Jackson on the steps of the Bulls team hotel in Paris, in Episode 1 of "The Last Dance," the 10-part documentary on the 1997-98 Bulls, which begins airing on ESPN at 9 p.m. ET Sunday and continues for the next five weeks.

"Phil was great," Silver said. "He got it."

As long as Jackson had the ability to wave off Thompson and his cameras from time to time, he was OK with trading some privacy in the name of history.

It took a different approach to convince Jordan, however.

"There was no negotiation whatsoever," Silver explained. "All I said was, 'I'm sure there'll maybe be a tough negotiation at some point, but we don't have to have it now.' Because first and foremost, we have to capture the footage."

Then he offered Jordan the one thing he couldn't turn down: control.

"Our agreement will be that neither one of us can use this footage without the other's permission," Silver told Jordan. "It will be kept -- I mean literally it was physical film -- as a separate part of our Secaucus library. Our producers won't have access to it. It will only be used with your permission."

Now that was something.

Jordan had successfully controlled his likeness since he came into the league in 1984. He was one of two players (fellow David Falk client Patrick Ewing was the other) who opted out of the players' union's group licensing program, figuring correctly they'd make exponentially more by doing their own marketing deals.

When he'd sue to enforce that deal, Falk's argument was that the value of Jordan's image became diluted each time it was used. But if Silver was willing to front all of the production costs and give Jordan control over the content, there wasn't much downside.

"Worst-case scenario," Silver told Jordan, "you'll have the greatest set of home movies for your kids ever created."

It was a brilliant pitch, and maybe the only one Jordan would have agreed to. When Jordan hit the winning shot in the 1998 NBA Finals to clinch the Bulls' sixth NBA title and second three-peat, Thompson felt he had just shot one of the most incredible sports documentaries ever.

"I mean the guy scores 45 points and pretty much won the game by himself," Thompson said. "You couldn't ask for a better ending than that."

But for the next two decades, those home movies -- more than 500 hours of film -- sat in a vault in Secaucus.

"I just couldn't understand how it wasn't being made," Thompson said.

He had stayed in touch with Jordan after he retired, even considered him a friend. But this wasn't something he could ask him about, much less push him to do.

One day, he thought.

One day Jordan will be ready.

EVERY FEW YEARS a producer would come along, pitching himself as the right person to make the documentary. Frank Marshall, Spike Lee, even actor Danny DeVito gave it a whirl.

According to Jordan's longtime business partner, Curtis Polk, none of them ever even made it to a face-to-face meeting with Jordan.

"When you think of the typical documentaries, before the last five years, they generally ran about 80 minutes," Polk said. "And you couldn't capture this at 80 minutes. Even if you just focused on '97-'98 ... you're not really capturing the totality of it. You're not going to understand what Michael was about or what the Bulls were doing when they were talking about breaking it up."

With each "no," the project receded further from view. Fewer and fewer people even knew about it as the years went on. But for the people who did know, the footage took on an almost mythical quality.

Connor Schell was a young development executive at ESPN in 2006 when he first learned that footage of Jordan's last year with the Bulls existed. A contact at NBA Entertainment sent over a rough cut that had been produced in-house in 2003, just to pique his interest, and maybe get a little oxygen for the project.

The DVD was mostly a bunch of highlights and behind-the-scenes moments, with a narrator that sounded an awful lot like actor John Cusack -- who was in the film a bunch because he went to a lot of Bulls games and interacted with the players -- but wasn't actually John Cusack.

"They had made this thing, and I was like, 'OK, the underlying footage and the access they had is amazing, and of course it's freakin' Michael Jordan. So what are you guys going to do with this?'" said Schell, who is now ESPN's executive vice president of content and an executive producer of "The Last Dance." "And they said, 'We don't know. What would you guys do with it?'"

Schell could think of plenty of things to do with it. There was no buy-in from Jordan, however, which meant the project couldn't and wouldn't go anywhere.

But Schell never forgot about the footage. And when he and co-creator Bill Simmons were brainstorming ideas for 30 for 30 films in 2009, they couldn't get it out of their heads.

"I've moved cities and building and offices like five times since I first saw it in 2006, but I still know exactly where that DVD is," Schell said. "It's in the cabinet right behind my desk. I'm picturing it now ... this gold DVD, in this really basic jewel case, and the title is written with a Sharpie.

"This Jordan archive is just sitting there, and it's the most desirable archive you could possibly stumble upon. But no one was ever able to bring together all the elements to make it work."

Producer Mike Tollin had known about the footage since Falk appeared as a guest star on an episode of "Arli$$," the HBO show about a fictional sports agent that Tollin executive produced from 1996 to 2003.

Tollin would go on to do dozens of critically acclaimed documentaries, movies such as "Varsity Blues" and "Coach Carter," and television series such as "Smallville," "One Tree Hill," "What I Like About You" and "All That." But he never forgot about the unseen footage of Jordan's last year with the Bulls.

"It was like a treasure trove," Tollin said.

In February 2016, he saw an opening.

"The O.J. documentary had just premiered at Sundance the previous month at eight episodes and like 450 minutes," Tollin said. " had just premiered on Netflix at 10 episodes. ... People were now consuming longform documentaries, multipart documentaries.

"As a guy who's done documentaries since the '70s, less was always more. And now all of a sudden, more is more."

He arranged a meeting with Polk and Estee Portnoy, two of Jordan's most trusted business associates, to make his pitch.

"So I said to them, 'We could do this as six or eight episodes. So we can see the character arcs play out over the course of all this time. We can see the storylines, we can really dig in and tell the story that nobody's ever really contextualized properly,'" Tollin said.

Over the next few months, the conversations continued. Tollin sketched out a proposal of what an eight-episode series might look like. Finally, in June 2016, a meeting was set with Jordan, now owner of the Charlotte Hornets.

"He was preparing for the draft; they knew he'd be there in Charlotte," Tollin recalled. "They knew he hated meetings, so they said, 'Why don't you come and just hang out with us. There will be a break in the action between meetings, and we'll get some time with him?'"

Nothing firm. Nothing scheduled. That was about as good as it was going to get.

Tollin hopped on a red-eye from Los Angeles to Charlotte, checked into the Westin hotel around 8 a.m. and tried to catch a couple of hours of sleep before connecting with Portnoy.

"The universe has such a funny sense of humor," Tollin said. "Because when I woke up, I put on ESPN while I'm getting dressed, and there's LeBron and the Cavaliers parading through the streets of Cleveland with the trophy that they'd just won."

He headed over to Jordan's office at the Hornets' arena, hoping he would get a chance to present the lookbook he had made. No one had ever gotten this close before. But Portnoy and Polk could only open the door. Tollin had to close Jordan.

"The first page was a letter that I'd written to him," Tollin said. "Dear Michael, every day kids come into my office wearing your shoes, who've never seen you play.

"It's time."

Tollin could tell Jordan was engaged, because he stopped for a moment to put on his reading glasses.

"I'm thinking to myself, 'Wait, Michael Jordan needs reading glasses?'" Tolin said. "Well, he's 53. That's right. Yeah, OK."

Jordan read every page. He looked at the pictures. He read the quotes. Then he smiled as he looked at the eight episode thumbnail sketches.

The last page of the presentation was a look at the documentaries, movies and shows Tollin and his company, Mandalay Sports Media, had done.

"So there's Kareem , there's Hank Aaron, there's 'Varsity Blues,' there's 'Coach Carter' and so forth," Tollin said. "He's actually looking at them all, and in the bottom right corner is 'Iverson.' He goes, 'You did that?'"

Tollin didn't answer. Jordan repeated the question.

Tollin wondered if this was going to work for or against him. Like the timing with the Cavaliers' championship parade that morning, it was impossible to know.

Tollin mumbled a cautious, "Yes."

Jordan took his glasses off, looked up and said, "I watched that thing three times. Made me cry. Love that little guy."

Then he walked around the desk, extended his hand and said, "Let's do it."

FOR THE PAST two years, Jason Hehir's job has been to figure out why Jordan was finally ready.

Hehir didn't know Jordan when Tollin and Schell offered him the chance to direct the series. But he had read a story by ESPN's Wright Thompson in 2013, in which Jordan said he never saw himself living beyond the age of 50. He figured that was connected.

"I discussed with Michael," Hehir said. "And I think it's because he cannot picture himself as slowing down. He can't picture himself as not being in peak form. So it's not that he had a death wish or that he was morbid; it's just that he couldn't fathom what an old man Michael Jordan would look like."

Doing a documentary, especially one purporting to be a definitive look at him, felt like something an old man would do at the end of his life.

"In his defense, the guy's 56. He's got half his life left to live," Hehir said. "I think he bristles at the notion of any project being definitive because it means his story is over.

"He bristles at the notion of a number being hung in the rafters. He bristled at the statue when they put that up while he was on his baseball hiatus."

Former Bulls teammate B.J. Armstrong told Hehir that before Jordan was eligible for the Hall of Fame, he called to ask what the rules on eligibility were. Armstrong, who'd gone on to become a successful player agent, told him it was five years after a player's last game.

Jordan then asked, if he checked into a game, and played one play, would it delay his induction another five years?

"Michael does not want to be a statue," Hehir said. "He doesn't want to be looked at as something in the past."

Hehir had to understand that to tell this story. It wasn't a precondition or a restriction. It was essential to comprehending the competitive nature and swagger of the man at the center of the story. And it is as true today as it was during his playing career.

When Hehir interviewed Jordan's daughter Jasmine, she told him that when she was about to give birth, she asked her father what he wanted to be called? Grandpa? Pops? Grandpops?

Jordan thought about it for a moment, then said, "'Have him call me Michael.'"

This desire to control time, or at least try to bend it to his will, is quintessentially Jordan. The man built his persona on outworking and outwilling people.

Those were his terms as a player and a teammate. Anyone who couldn't meet them didn't belong on his team.

In many ways, those are still his terms.

He couldn't control time. But he could control when he allowed someone to tell his story.

So this isn't the definitive documentary about one of the greatest players of all time, Michael Jordan. It's a documentary about one of the greatest teams of all time, the 1997-98 Bulls, with Jordan as a leading character.

And he was ready to tell it, right after another player (James) and another team (the Warriors) got dangerously close to challenging those legacies.

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64. "TL;DR - Released b/c of Bubba Chuck & Kang"
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I haven't even watched the first 5 minutes they dropped. Really hope this is worth the hype.

  

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65. "I’m just glad they are going in a tell all direction."
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With that footage, they could have easily made another documentary that was focused on Jordan’s greatness, and how he won his last championship....

Jordan ( through the guidance of David Faulk) has always been in command with how his image is illustrated. Just goes to show you how savvy Adam Silver is , with getting Jordan to envision the reward instead of worrying about the risk.





  

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67. "Adam Silver is really, really smart"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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66. "David Kaplan gave this anecdote on Jerry Krause on the radio yesterday."
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Dave used to be a NBA scout in the 80s, and when Jerry Krause selected Brad Sellers in the nba draft, Kaplan trashed the pick,and rightfully so. Kaplan felt that John Salley was the better big man, and he was correct. Brad Sellers was a bust, and Salley went on to become a good serviceable big man for the Pistons, Bulls and Lakers, and helped all three teams win championships.

After Dave criticized the selection, Krause refused to speak to Dave. Dave would speak to him in passing, but Krause would just ignore him. So, one day, Dave asked him why was he refusing to speak to him. Jerry Porter Krause replied: “ You humiliated me by criticizing my pick.” Kap said that he was shocked by the reply , because he was just doing his job as a scout. Anyway, Krause continued to ignore Kap., and it wasn’t until Krause’s health started to decline that he called up Kap to apologize for not speaking to him. They buried that matter, and Krause died after that. Dave didn’t speak on the actual date, but I imagine that took place around 2016/2017.

I wonder if Krause called everyone that he was at odds with to bury the hatchet. All of it was business anyway.

I remember he said this about Jordan:

“I’m the only one who has told him no. … This kid has had his butt kissed by everyone in the world except his parents and me,” Krause told SI. “If we’d listened to him, we’d have (former UNC guard) Buzz Peterson on the team!

“My goal is not to be his friend. My goal is to win titles.”

Shit. Krause’s Fire to prove he was a great GM and Jordan’s Fire to prove that he was the greatest of all time ...as well as both trying to prove that they were more important than the other helped drive the bulls to win titles.

I hope they talk about all the heated moments between the two that season.

  

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68. "i wonder why they chose to jump around the timeline."
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maybe its just me...but it gets kinda confusing when they just go from the last season to the early seasons and vice versa.

i wonder why they made that creative decision.

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70. "they're basically copying the Halberstam book Playing for Keeps"
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it was written about the same period and does the same thing, in almost the same order.

it works, but it's a little confusing.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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72. "thx for that info."
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69. "Part 1: I had high expectations, and they were exceeded. AMAZING. "
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Well, fucking, done

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71. "just masterfully put together"
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now that I know it's the folks who did Iverson it makes sense.



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73. "It's a *great* feat of editing."
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You have a FULL 82 GAME SEASON + PLAYOFFS worth of BTS footage, along with 13 years of archival content. And then 100+ interviews or whatever it is.

The 10 hours of total runtime helps to flesh everything out without rushing though it, but this is an incredibly difficult lift regardless. The storylines could be told in so many different ways. I love the approach they settled on.

  

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74. "Meh...feels like they’re burying the lead"
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Didn’t learn anything new in ep 1 <shrug>

Great, as always, to watch MJ highlights

But the draw is MJ’s personal insight

He never talks

To get him to sit down and be interviewed for the doc is the crowning achievement of the piece

I really wanted alot more of that, ALOT

Like the only interview for the doc alot

Scottie, Feel, Rodman, etc...I don’t need to hear from them

They’ve been very vocal over the years

Didn’t really occur to me until the doc started and MJ takes a seat...that he never does this

I was expecting more insight from him personally...so I’m a bit letdown by ep 1

Hopefully there’s more from him in future eps.

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75. "RE: Meh...feels like they’re burying the lead"
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They exposed a lot of stuff, and went into great detail about his ankle injury. We knew the bulls didn’t want to play him , and the battle he had with management regarding wanting to play. However, that was the first time, for me, they showed and talked about the Golden State game. And how he was telling Stanley to fuck those guys and let him play, and that they refused to play him past 14 mins, not a second more.

Also the story he told about the bulls veterans when he was a rookie, and how the veterans were doing cocaine a night before a preseason game down in Peoria and how he walked in on them. That incident was never revealed prior to that.

They are not going to drop major bombs during the first episode. However, It made for a nice appetizer.



  

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76. "Agreed, ep 1 should be an introduction "
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What we got were intros to 3 different story lines

The parallel stories of MJ and the Bulls, pre and during Jordan’s career

and the climatic power struggle of an ending

My concern is that there isn’t the deep dive into MJ specifically given the unprecedented access to him personally

We didn’t get anything on his background before bball
He didn’t personally speak about his time at UNC and his relationship with Dean Smith
Etc...

I’m hoping in the remaining episodes there will be more focus on specific topics

But based on ep 1, it feels very superficial

Maybe I’m older than you, but the idea of nba players using cocaine in the 70s/80s is not a revelation <shrug>

I guess I was hoping more for the Kobe narrative, where he’s actually breaking down film, situations, matchups, etc...

Still incredibly entertaining, but based on ep 1, it feels like a blown opportunity to get into the GOAT’s head.

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77. "did you stay up for ep 2? this...did we watch the same show lol"
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I feel like we definitely got insight in both episodes. Maybe not what you WANT specifically but for example I was SHOCKED to hear him talk about growing up Black in NC. Not to say he had a full on 'I'm not Black, I'm OJ' career, but it definitely felt that way sometimes

  

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79. "LOL right? "
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>I feel like we definitely got insight in both episodes. Maybe
>not what you WANT specifically but for example I was SHOCKED
>to hear him talk about growing up Black in NC. Not to say he
>had a full on 'I'm not Black, I'm OJ' career, but it
>definitely felt that way sometimes

I was like how heads talking Ep 1 alone on Monday morning?

The hotel incident was insightful about the lengths he went to protect his image. Even as a rookie, rather than wanting to fit in, he chose to go his own way and focus on the craft. Hard for us to appreciate how damn country his ass was when he first got to Chicago,but imagine he had indulged? I wonder if they're going to talk about Len Bias vis a vis coke and Mike's encounter with it...

  

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80. "if they didn't cover it in the first couple eps they probably wont RE Bi..."
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The timelines don't exactly converge. Bias was a freshman Jordan's junior year? And Bias got drafted in 86 after Jordan's coming out series vs Boston.

  

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84. "No, just watched about half of ep 2. Let me be specific "
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I don’t WANT to hear from David Aldridge or Bill Wennington...

I want to hear from MJ

The series was pitched as full access to the 97-98 season

Coupled with present day interviews

Let’s not pretend that MJ isn’t still the draw here.

I want to hear it from him.

Of course my opinion is based on what I want...wtf

IMO, the Tarantino non-linear timeline was a bad choice

Ep 2, they’re talking about his development in HS...next scene is 85-86...

Maybe the idea was to have each episode stand on it’s own

?

But as a series, it’s really all over the place

Still entertaining...but I’m willing to bet it doesn’t fully answer some of the bigger questions by the conclusion of the series

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93. "RE: No, just watched about half of ep 2. Let me be specific "
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>IMO, the Tarantino non-linear timeline was a bad choice

That I loved.

1. Non-linear timelines for documentaries is NOT easy.
2. There were great connections between the eras. They did a great job of
showing a trait MJ had in HS or college and connecting it with 97/98.
Again, making those connections is not easy.

3. The timeline kept the film moving. OJ Made In America (while dealing with a much more complicated subject line) also did this. They started with him in jail as a cold open. Once the opening was over, the story begins at USC. We don't get to his childhood until later, and the purpose is to tie it to something in another era.

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85. "We are probably the same age. I'm in my 40s"
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So I'm aware of the prominence of crack and cocaine in the 70s and 80s, especially in sports. However, it was never covered in great detail of how it was taking place in the Bulls' organization.

That was eye opening because jordan had to face it as a 21 year old...

  

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81. "context is critical. the whole bulls tenure matters to this last year"
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otherwise for example, the krause stuff just looks like mj and them being assholes to a short fat dude when you show the raw footage.

here you see everyone is justfied being an ass to krause because he was the biggest ass around. thats just 1 instance.

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83. "im in!"
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i figured i would just set it to record and watch at some point in the week, nope. i was waiting for it and watched both episodes. i will be waiting to watch the next episode.

  

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78. "This shit is gonna win an Emmy or an Oscar"
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I've seen the Come Fly With Me/Playground et al, but this went in deeper.

I think I read in one of his books about getting in a fight with a white kid who called him nigger, but I've never heard him talk about the racism in that area or even how he was directed to sports. Knew about Larry being the mountain he had to surpass, but not to the depth explained about having to fight it out or (surprise surprise) to earn his father's affection/approval.

And who knew that Paxson's first big shot took place in the spring of 86?

Can't.not.fucking.wait.for.this.Pistons.shit.

  

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82. "where can a cord cutter watch this..."
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86. "RE: where can a cord cutter watch this..."
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ESPN App is supposed to have it to watch for free according to an article I read, haven't checked tho.

  

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88. "Just fired it up on PS4, totally works. ESPN are menschs for this"
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Here I was last night contemplating re-upping ESPN+ lucky to find out ESPN+ wasn't broadcasting it just hours before.

But Watch ESPN which usually requires a cable account (my mom recently moved and finally cut her cord) is DEFINITELY airing this for free. At least Episode 1.


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89. "I upgraded my hulu package partially for this"
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hulu/espn+/disney+ for $12.99 a month. Figured out at like 9:54 that ESPN+ wasn't showing it. Luckily I have a homie's {redacted} login but I was scrambling lol

  

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87. "Now, the only question is will they really go in regarding his "
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golf relationship with Flukey Stokes, and him constantly losing money to flukey. And will they go in on his gambling, especially his gambling in jersey during the 1993 eastern conference finals.


I'm just glad people outside of illinois are seeing just how much of a shit show it was , and how tormenting that season was.

Can you imagine winning a championship, and you go to the post championship game interview, and you're immediately hit with questions regarding the team breaking up and Phil not coming back?

That's all it was for the entire season...Phil not coming back, jordan not coming back, pippen and his contract, rodman and his crap off the court, etc, etc. Their play declined, and Indiana was dead on our heels all season long.

One thing people fail to realize is that the bulls were the second oldest team in the league, and it was clear that the team was regressing, because players were simply getting old, including jordan.


No way should that team have been brought back. So watching Jordan go out on top was the best and greatest thing to do, because the bulls and jordan would have lost the following season. It would have been a different story. Jerry Krause saw it, but he went about in a wrong way.

The reason why Krause no longer wanted Phil is, Phil refused to let Jerry connect with the team. Phil kept jerry out of the locker rooms, and didn't give him access to team meetings. So jerry wanted a coach that he could control, simply as that. People have to understand Jerry Krause bought Phil in as assistant out of the CBA, and groomed him for the position. He gave Phil his start. Phil was Jerry's guy, so for Phil to deny him that way definitely pissed him off, so Phil was no longer welcome.

The funny thing is Phil turned into the same kind of GM as Jerry with the Knicks...He got coaches that he could control, and only wanted them to run the triangle, and had a poor relationship with Carmleo, similar to what Jerry had with Jordan.

  

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90. "i disagree with this part"
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>
>One thing people fail to realize is that the bulls were the
>second oldest team in the league, and it was clear that the
>team was regressing, because players were simply getting old,
>including jordan.
>
>
>No way should that team have been brought back. So watching
>Jordan go out on top was the best and greatest thing to do,
>because the bulls and jordan would have lost the following
>season. It would have been a different story. Jerry Krause saw
>it, but he went about in a wrong way.

wasn't that the lockout shortened season? that old team would have had fresher legs than they had in years, and they surely would have gotten past that lovable old men Knicks team that was beaten by the Spurs.

  

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91. "RE: i disagree with this part"
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No way their asses would have been handed to them.

- Indiana Pacers. The bulls won the division by just just 2 games, and the team took the bulls 7 games in the ECF. They were better, younger and their bench was insane. Bulls weren’t going to beat them the following year. The only reason the bulls advanced to the finals was because Toni Kukoc had s tremendous game in game 7

- Other teams had arrived. New Jersey nets became powerful. Lakers won 61 games that year, and Kobe and Shaq had formed. The Spurs dynasty seeds were put in place as well with Tim Duncan.

- Bulls’s bench was weak compared to everyone else’s at that point. They weren’t going to be able to just get by with Bill Wennington, Kerr, Buchler and Randy Brown anymore. The League had changed , and everyone was starting to jump out of the building with crazy athleticism. Bulls couldn’t match that.







  

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96. "the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, sports related "
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...and they hit it early in ep 1...

Was the idea of dismantling and rebuilding after 97

I think reisndorf made the statement, and it really bothers me that Krause gets all the smoke

The owner had to believe that bullshit too

1 guy wanted to do that, no doubt Krause is a gaping asshole

But the owner’s choice was between Krause...1 guy

...or letting arguably the greatest coach of all time walk...and going full rebuild of a defending championship team...arguably the greatest of all time also

That’s an easy choice

These 2 twits are probably the only 2 people on earth that thought it was a good idea...and allstah apparently

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98. "RE: the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, sports related "
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It was the right thing to do, not after the 96/97 season, but damn for sure after the 97/98 season. Their run was done. Jordan went out on top and we didn’t have to suffer seeing him or the team get beaten

All other great dynasties got old and stomped on. Magic and the lakers , bird and the Celtics, Thomas and the pistons, Hakeem and the rockets, Kobe and shaq by the pistons, lebron and the heat, Lebron and the Cavs, Golden State Warriors ...all Those teams got bounced once their run was done.

Look at what is happening to Tom Brady and the Pats. Ali, sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar, Shane Mosley, Roy Jones. That is what makes Floyd so great. He left out on top.

Bulls were the second oldest team in the league and a lot of teams were younger and gotten better. The bulls were no longer dominating teams. They couldn’t just walk on the court and intimidate people.

It was a wrap, and that is what make gms great, knowing when to pull the plug.

Krause had a plan , but it didn’t go through. People forget that he was going to trade pippen for Tracy Mcgrady, and create a Tracy Mcgrady / Jordan/ rodman duo for the 97-98 season , and then build around Mcgrady once Jordan left. But Jordan vetoed the trade. Krause could have still pulled the plug but Jordan would have retired, therefore killing the entire plan.

Krause was preparing for the future because he saw the league changing as well as seeing the bulls getting old, and the Bulls always felt that scottie’s back was a ticking time bomb. Now his back never got worse ( thank god) but at the same time, as a GM, your job is to be proactive and not wait until things go bad.

Krause was a hell of a GM, and seeing the bulls go out on top was a perfect ending. Greed kills all things.

  

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102. "why do you keep posting about TMac?"
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In 97, he was...18Y.O.?...and on the bench in TOR

Feels like you’re projecting the player he bacame in 2000

He wasn’t that yet.

Kukoc would have started over TMac in 98’

But you would’ve lost MJ with that move anyway...so why do you keep bringing it up?

MJ would’ve made TMac cry on the court/camera in 98.

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92. "I am not looking forward to reliving any Bulls/Knicks games in this doc"
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Still puts me in a bad mood thinking about it, and I haven't been a Knick fan in 20+ years.

That said, this series is a must watch for anyone that remotely likes basketball. For kids that only know Jordan by the shoes it gives a good look at why he's still such a big deal.

<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up...
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94. "it's light for me. the pistons only had one decent year left"
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and the rockets never faced them in the finals in that era, so as a reformed jordan hater I can just enjoy it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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95. "EXACTLY!!!"
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>and the rockets never faced them in the finals in that era,
>so as a reformed jordan hater I can just enjoy it.

Can hate and still 100% enjoy this damn good content. (while wearing new 3s that i havent been able to wear on the sidewalk yet)

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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97. "the pistons recaps will likely be mostly them kicking the shit out of th..."
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it's like a double dip

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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100. "I'm nowhere near a reformed hater but have considered him the GOAT"
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I hate how he tormented Starks and Ewing, but could never deny he was the best in the league. I'll thoroughly enjoy the show, but I'm still not buying a pair of J's...

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171. "That footage in episode sixth was rough."
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Hopefully that'll be the end of any references of Jordan tormenting the Knicks.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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99. "This really does invoke the same overwhelming feeling I had then"
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This feels as loud and violent and cool as the team did then. This somehow inspires the same aura as those Bulls teams

  

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101. "its weird seeing the levels to the drama behind it all"
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as my introduction to basketball was the 2nd 3peat starting as a 5 year old in 96

i remember watching probably 75% of that run w/ my grandma between NBC and WGN coverage. she was a mega UNC/MJ fan and kept the house and me and my cousins decked out in Jordan/Bulls stuff.

the only reality i knew is that the Bulls were going to win and the only mystery was how they would win.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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103. "damn, episodes 3-8 already on the internets"
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Tempting, but I'm not trying to binge them all in one week and wait until May 17th to watch episodes 9-10. Or am I...

  

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104. "Are they leaked or on a streaming service?"
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105. "leaked"
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International Netflix is following the same release schedule as ESPN. Seems like somebody got a screener and leaked it. Can't speak to the quality but I know it's at least watermarked

  

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106. "John Salley tho"
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"You have to stop him before he takes flight cause you know he's not human" -John Salley on Jordan

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107. "the dude has stories for days..."
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a couple weeks ago, he was on LeBatard for two straight shows...great story teller.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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109. "He used to have the "Spider and the Henchman" podcast"
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This was in the early days of podcasts. It was on the Adam Carolla Network (majorly wack) and co-hosted by Kevin Hench (who pretty much sucked).

Sallley was awesome though. He told my favorite Bird story on there.

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110. "I've heard the willy t ribbs documentary is good"
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but it was produced by carolla and my stomach turns every time I scroll over it on netflix


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146. "That podcast ruled. "
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I don’t think it survived anywhere but it used to be great.

Even if Hench sucked.

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159. "here's the Jordan story he told on LeBatard..."
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I wouldn't have done it any justice, typing it out. The Oakley part killed me.

https://youtu.be/w280Kd0faH4?t=6307

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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111. "Honestly, he MADE the episode."
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I wish we could have John Salley all throughout the series.

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116. "Salley is the man always."
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I've loved everything involving him since I was just getting into the NBA. He's terrific. He was even in a couple of movies over the years and was great.

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108. "tweet of the night"
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https://twitter.com/KingJosiah54/status/1254620661177184258?s=20

  

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112. "RE: reply 74"
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I stand by my initial reaction

Not nearly enough MJ

They got the GOAT to participate in a 10 part doc and give sit down interviews

...and he's on-screen for maybe a couple of minutes...

I don't need to hear from Will Perdue

I want to hear it from MJ directly.

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113. "You do realize we're seeing what MJ wants us to see right?"
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You want what he ate for pregame meals? You want to see him put on his UNC shorts?

We are getting never before seen footage. Unfiltered team plane rides, gambling, dancing, Rodman in Vegas....you baffle me

  

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114. "LOL honestly."
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>You want what he ate for pregame meals? You want to see him
>put on his UNC shorts?
>
>We are getting never before seen footage. Unfiltered team
>plane rides, gambling, dancing, Rodman in Vegas....you baffle
>me

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115. "Is that a documentary?"
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Yes, that is exactly what I want

I want MJ to tell us...why he chose UNC
What his relationship with Dean Smith was like
etc...

Yes, I would be extremely interested in his pre-game rituals and prep

Somehow, the GOAT, is still a bit of a mystery

...compared to contemporaries like Magic and Barkley...for whom we know so much more about their lives off the court

There's still so much about MJ that we don't know

...and this series isn't really giving me that insight...

+, I believe we've already gotten docs on Rodman, Feel and Scottie

MJ is the draw here

What you're getting unprecedented access to here...is MJ

...and his diminished participation in the series is glaring IMO...

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120. "its not a MJ documentary tho."
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it's about the Bulls. MJ is the center yes but the context is essential.

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125. "Correct."
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128. "its called the last dance. "
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about a specific season called the last dance lol.

unveiling a previously unreleased treasure trove of footage specifically recorded during the last dance lol.

i have no idea why homie expected a full mj biography.

literally everyone else got it.


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117. "The power of editing"
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Based on watching the episode last night, it was inferred that Jordan went all the way to Las Vegas to drag Rodman away from his 48 hour vacation. However, according to the director of the documentary, Rodman was only across the street for the United Center and Jordan only had to take a five minute walk to retrieve Rodman.

Here's the link with the director discussing it himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT0aYnZnifk

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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118. "ha ha they definitely made it seem like he went to vegas to get him"
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i was confused about that. jordan really flew out to vegas and brought him back??

that makes more sense

  

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119. "I thought it was clear from the context that rodman wasn't in vegas"
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at that moment, but other people seemed to have missed it
www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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121. "I thought he went down to Vegas to get him..."
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I wish the director didn't clarify. The true story isn't as good

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122. "I also thought he went to Vegas. I think a lot of people did. "
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Makes more sense to see him in pajama pants though

  

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123. "The pajamas were a very powerful visual"
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Proof of just how important and needed he was.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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127. "yeah, a lot of people don't read or listen well."
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he said he went to vegas. and he said he wasn't back in time.


but no one ever said michael went to vegas, and if you listened to the story, they explicitly explained he went from the hotel room to practice.


there are no NBA games in vegas.

michael wasn't in vegas.

even if, for example, you thought they were on the road in LA, you now think michael jordan is flying to vegas x number of hours before practice to drag rodman out of bed instead of...just calling the hotel? or sending one of his security guys to do it?

and then FLYING BACK to wherever to go straight to practice.

it doesn't check out if you think about it, but not everyone does that


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129. "It was late and people are in quarantine, let em live!!!!!"
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lol

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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133. "I was half asleep and followed, it's not hard."
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130. "you seem agitated lol. it was a simple mistake. that lots of people made..."
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132. "....what about that seems agitated."
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I just watched the documentary.

people who didn't pay attention are complaining.

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134. "At this point if you can’t acknowledge being an ass on here means..."
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you must really be like that IRL. Sad.

The story about MJ going to Vegas to get Rodman has been floating around for years and a lot of the talking heads on ESPN today after watching the documentary were acting like they thought it actually happened.

  

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135. "ok, so is it irritated or being an ass?"
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are we talking about y'all not paying attention to the documentary

or some story someone else had heard about that you didn't know about and isn't relevant to the conversation?

feel free to not answer.

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136. "my fault, I forgot that some of y'all take offense "
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when someone mentions that you don't do a great job putting known facts together.

I don't think it reflects poorly on your character or anything like that.

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164. "I just didn't interpret that part literally"
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>but no one ever said michael went to vegas, and if you
>listened to the story, they explicitly explained he went from
>the hotel room to practice.

I pictured him leaving the hotel, catching a flight, and going directly to oractice... or going home and getting up for practice the next day.

I didn't think about too hard but with the people involved, it didn't sound TOO crazy. Hell, I took a red eye from Vegas after Re:Invent last year and went straight to the office.

They went into enough detail about him being in Vegas that I think it probably led alot of people on about his actual whereabouts.

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124. "It wasn't clear at all. They didn't do a good job with that edit."
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unless they purposely cut it in a way to exaggerate the story. but it doesn't seem like that was the case since the director clarified the story directly following the broadcast.

this shit is still amazing though.

  

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126. "yeah i thought mj went and got his ass from vegas"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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163. "I wasn't hanging on every word but something in the voiceover..."
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... made it seem that MJ went to Vegas, at least to me and others apparently.

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143. "i thought he went to vegas too"
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240. "it wasn't clearly explained"
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and I'm saying that after having read this thread before viewing the episode

  

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131. "as usual Zeke is TALKING ABOUT IT but this won't get much airtime..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPgdiQxBXXM

  

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137. "man, he's all over the place"
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On one hand he says the Bulls stole concepts from the Pistons, on the other hand he says great teams need great rivals to realize their maximum greatness. So which is it? Did the Bulls steal from you or adjust to beat you? Isaiah doesn't actually seem to have a firm answer. And his answer doesn't really matter anyway because the all time greatness of Michael Jordan began to feel inevitable and was ultimately proven to be so.

  

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138. "can that not all be true?"
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>On one hand he says the Bulls stole concepts from the Pistons,
>on the other hand he says great teams need great rivals to
>realize their maximum greatness. So which is it? Did the Bulls
>steal from you or adjust to beat you? Isaiah doesn't actually
>seem to have a firm answer. And his answer doesn't really
>matter anyway because the all time greatness of Michael Jordan
>began to feel inevitable and was ultimately proven to be so.

part of the Bulls ascension to greatness was not just the Triangle, they became a more physical, defensive oriented team not unlike the Pistons that had their number for so many years.

And also the differences in how Rodman acted and was handled in Chicago vs. Detroit were interesting.

And I love how Zeke broke down "culture" for Max who I hate anyway.

  

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139. "the Rodman stuff was interesting, but aren't the Pistons culpable?"
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Rodman was a harmless and soft spoken kid when he got to the league. He fell into a band of assholes and assimilated. Zeke makes it sound like almost all of Worm's troubles are the result of him leaving a nurturing Pistons environment.That's silly, and it doesn't acknowledge that Detroit's over-aggressive style of play and attitude could have contributed to altering Rodman's reportedly "fragile" psyche.

  

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141. "uhhhhhhhhhhh no"
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Dennis has said when Chuck left he started spiraling. If you wanna blame the Pistons for that, then sure. But really, to answer your question, no.

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144. "got it, then I stand corrected"
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142. "you should probably watch the rodman 30 for 30"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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433. "wut?"
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Dennis Rodman didnt lock himself in his car in the Palace parking lot with a loaded shotgun because of the way his team played basketball

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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Ceej
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140. ": )"
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145. "He messed up walking off the court w/o shaking hands..."
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and for years has tried to frame it in some sort of tradition that in reality never existed. Sorry, but there is simply not an NBA rivalry before that where championship level teams DIDN'T conduct themselves with a level of sportsmanship after going to battle. Trying to frame what they did as following in the Celtics footsteps when they walked off the court just makes the situation worse......when the most famous clip of the Celtics doing that is McHale shaking hands with Zeke as he's walking off the court.

He was wrong, he should have copped to it back then.

  

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147. "RE: He messed up walking off the court w/o shaking hands..."
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that's not true and that was his point. The celtics didn't shake hands. Zeke had to grab Mchale, because Mchale was walking off the court. And none of the Celtics shook hands.

They showed it in the doc, where the Cs didn't want to shake hands. I think Mike is rather silly with that. Because the NBA before tern was brutal, straight up prison, and they didn't give a fock.

So Zeke was right.

  

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148. "its funny because its not said who on the Piston's initially had the ide..."
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Isiah has always publicly said it was him AND co-captain Bill Laimbeer. If you watch the video Zeke looked like he may have been having 2nd thoughts then but Laimbeer looked like he was "no fuck them, lets go!" and Laimbeer is still defiant about it to this day.

But its funny how the media makes a story when they want to make a story. Like it has been said Larry Bird walked off when they loss to the Pistons. Lebron walked off at least once after losing in the playoffs and barely anything was said about it.

  

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149. "there was definitely chatter after Bron walked off"
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Let's not revise RECENT history lol

  

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150. "Bron got roasted for it"
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And then he pulled The Decision and it just became a sub point on the reasons people disliked him

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151. "when it happened but its not even brought up now like Zeke 30yrs ago"
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155. "Sally said on LeBatard a couple weeks ago..."
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that B.L. looked at them and said let’s hand it to the Bulls the same way that the Celtics did to us. So, he told Chuck Daley to put back in. He said he didn’t necessarily want to do that, but he didn’t wanna break ranks...so, afterwards, he and Scott Hastings hung around and dapped everyone up.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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152. "Isaiah lying. "
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>that's not true and that was his point. The celtics didn't
>shake hands. Zeke had to grab Mchale, because Mchale was
>walking off the court. And none of the Celtics shook hands.
>
>They showed it in the doc, where the Cs didn't want to shake
>hands. I think Mike is rather silly with that. Because the NBA
>before tern was brutal, straight up prison, and they didn't
>give a fock.
>
>So Zeke was right.

https://youtu.be/oRqkFQnGZaQ?t=6844

The video is right there. Fans and media were coming on the court with 3 seconds left. Celtics started walking towards the locker room. Isaiah didn't have to yank McHale back and force him to shake his hand. That's just a lie. Him touching McHale before the handshake was him initiating a hand shake...but they didn't just shake hands. McHale talked to him and encouraged him to beat the Lakers.

People can say it's silly all they want, but that lack of sportsmanship was NOT displayed in prior championship series.

Comparing McHale's interaction with Isaiah with Isaiah ducking his head as he walked past the bench is a laughable comparison. Not even close to the same thing and the Pistons were not following any tradition in doing what they did.

That "brutal" NBA that you're referring to had sportsmanship. The men that were instilling the rough play were man enough to show sportsmanship.

The Pistons were a great team, but the areas where their style of play crossed the line isn't upholding any tradition..and it got them a couple rings...

but the numbers 6 and 5 are still greater than the number 2

  

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153. "Did Larry Bird shake hands?"
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154. "RE: Isaiah lying. "
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FOH!

that's just a small clip after thomas pulled him!...they showed the longer version in doc

Bird and Ainge walked off the court with 3 seconds left!!....there was no hand shaking or acknowledgement. WATCH BIRD AND AINGE GO STRAIGHT TO THE LOCKER ROOM


most of the starters had walked off and the bench players. \


Stop the soft crap...

  

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157. "The Celtics got away with it because they had white stars"
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>and for years has tried to frame it in some sort of tradition
>that in reality never existed. Sorry, but there is simply not
>an NBA rivalry before that where championship level teams
>DIDN'T conduct themselves with a level of sportsmanship after
>going to battle. Trying to frame what they did as following
>in the Celtics footsteps when they walked off the court just
>makes the situation worse......when the most famous clip of
>the Celtics doing that is McHale shaking hands with Zeke as
>he's walking off the court.
>
>He was wrong, he should have copped to it back then.
>
>

And a die hard Pistons fan friend of mine said that the Celtics were pretty fucking dirty too and in a way shaped who the Bad Boys became. Be that as it may, they could have done better than was done to them.

Many things can be said about MJ, but he was always a good sport, even when the shit hurt. And having seen them mature into a team that was ready to win, there should have been enough respect to salute that.

But like Horace said, they went out like STRAIGHT BITCHES.

  

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158. "#facts"
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162. "Zeke's jealousy and insecurity is always disappointing"
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Because I think dude is extremely under appreciated as a player, and he's done so much for players.

But


I'll be damned if he doesn't come across as weirdly jealous on this topic.


Little man syndrome? Fragile ego?


Also disappointing that he still unconditionally defends Lambier when that dude needs to get layed out to this day.


They walked off like bitches. "Celtics did it" Okay....doesn't mean the Pistons didn't.

Like MJ said, the Bulls shook their hands every year prior.

You were hurt/embarrassed that they killed you. Just cop to it.


And now he's out here rating MJ #4 and shit lol lol. Dude really can't handle the Bulls getting positive attention. In 2020.

Its straight up weird.


When you think about it, it makes complete sense that literally no one wanted him on the Dream Team. Dude clearly burns bridges then acts surprised/hurt that people didn't ride for him. Kind of a weirdo.

  

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165. "He is so interesting as a "character""
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I think when you start to reach a certain level of stardom and you have your first controversy (since we're all flawed and human), most people do some combination of

a) retreating from the limelight and keep their stuff more private
b) working on self-improvement
c) insulating themselves from criticism

Isaiah hasn't done any of that. He's out there, still winging it like a regular guy, rather than someone who should have the means to have a team managing his image.

I don't think he's any more flawed than Jordan or some of these other stars but his fails have always been poorly managed.

<-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><->
<-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><->

  

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166. "RE: He is so interesting as a &quot;character&quot;"
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Or maybe he does not care about the perception of others , which is the best action. None of it is important. It’s only basketball.

And he still gets employment opportunities from the higher ups, so that’s all that matters. I imagine that he is still respected as an all time great.

  

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156. "I refuse to watch it. Fuck the bulls."
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160. "Did you watch the OJ doc?"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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161. "Sorry y'all, this is an all-time great moment. "
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Look at all the old conversations, emotions, debates, and issues
that are popping back up? That is in part because these are things
we needed to discuss, but we never had the opportunity to fully
explore them.

Sure: some of this debate will be bitchy, petty, small.

But some of this is plainly fascinating.


This is a great documentary, and I'm grateful for it.

Also: I've never, ever seen this side of Jordan. Dude
is actually coming across genuine. Not always nice, but
genuine.





----------------------------



O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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167. "This is a great sports moment. Glad it came around when it did. "
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We can appreciate it more right today.

  

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168. "Half way in and ep 5 is fucking incredible"
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170. "The beginning almost fucked me up."
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169. "Great episode. The best one. Music, footage, tone"
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Mike is one of the greatest, but this captured just how much of a asshole and selfish human being he is.

Terrible person...

  

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172. "seeing Mike's affection for Kobe back then was heartbreaking"
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you pair that with Michael's memorial speech and it's clear they loved each other and it's so sad to see

  

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173. "Slim Bouler? Cmon mannnnn lmao"
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Jordan was big wildin. I just...I can't overstate how well done this series has been. I leave wanting more each time but also completely fascinated by MJ in ways I didn't know I would be fascinated

Takeaways:
- him and Pip giving Kukoc hell just b/c Krause was bigging him up
- him giving Thunder Dan hell
- Mother Jordan making him take that Nike meeting
- Mike gambling on any and EVERYTHING. S/o and RIP to John Michael Wozniak aka Bob from Marketing
- Scottie really.....man I hope he's at peace cuz he really got treated like shit
- Dennis saying he was going to Hooters >>>>>

  

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174. "Why did that hurt me, so..."
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when Scottie was going in and MJ literally grabbed him like a child and made him go the other way. That clip legit took the smile off my face.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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175. "Oh I thought that clip was in jest. Man said he had golf to play!"
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I meant the Kukoc stuff. Krause propping him up and Scottie not even having his contract signed yet (I think that's what they said).

  

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176. "maybe it's editing, but Krause seems even dumber than I remember"
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after Title 2 he goes overboard stressing how important the ORGANIZATION is and that ORGANIZATIONS win championships. Even says something like "the team is great BUT..."

That guy was a buffoon

  

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178. "damn, maybe so..."
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I mean, Mike was joking...but he WASN'T joking. Scottie laughed awkwardly, lol. Maybe I'm doing too much because Scottie is my favorite player, ever. Felt like he probably got little brothered a lot. The Kukoc scene had me feeling bad as shit for Tony. My wife, who probably didn't know Tony Kukoc from Tony Allen, before last night was like..."Michael nem didn't have to take it out on that boy...he's a kid", lol.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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183. "ha ha i forgot about a few of these"
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there is always so much in these episodes. this is the first week where i could see people hating on jordan and really not having much to defend him on.

>Jordan was big wildin. I just...I can't overstate how well
>done this series has been. I leave wanting more each time but
>also completely fascinated by MJ in ways I didn't know I would
>be fascinated
>
>Takeaways:
>- him and Pip giving Kukoc hell just b/c Krause was bigging
>him up
loved it, felt bad for tony but its just funny. i loved tony when he did join them.

>- him giving Thunder Dan hell
>- Mother Jordan making him take that Nike meeting
nike being a small upstart is still hard to fathom.

>- Mike gambling on any and EVERYTHING. S/o and RIP to John
>Michael Wozniak aka Bob from Marketing
lol the security scene was funny, when dude did the shrug. jordan calling for security to take them out lol

>- Scottie really.....man I hope he's at peace cuz he really
>got treated like shit
>- Dennis saying he was going to Hooters >>>>>
lol

  

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177. "so THATs the origin of the Michael Jordan Turnt Up meme"
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https://www.kappit.com/img/pics/73286258bffac.jpg

i damn sure would've believed he had a gambling addiction after that.

big "noooo i dont do cocaine *sniffiles*" energy

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179. "never seen that but glad I have now"
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180. "damn, folk made Clyde get attacked, lol..."
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Clyde just wanted to be in the Finals...he ain't ask for all that.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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181. "They could have done 20 parts and it wouldn't have gotten stale"
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- That Kobe segment is crushing. Such a poignant reminder about how public discourse often doesn't know shit about reality. All the debates "we" have about them being something he wanted no part of. Must have fucked Mike up something ridiculous to see that again. As cutthroat as he was, for him to take his only heir apparent under his wing like that, was beautiful.

- "Gimme the fortune, keep the fame." Man shit, just watching a few parts of that and imagining that everyday was suffocating. THIS, to me, is why private schools are necessary, so that the kids of celebrities can have some semblance of a normal life. We like to think we'd know how to deal with top 5 worldwide status but we don't have a fucking clue.

- Politics as usual. I can understand how his singular focus was basketball, and he didn't want to delve into politics. Activism didn't seem to be ingrained in him, so it's not exactly surprising that he wasn't comfortable with attaching himself to a candidate, even if he donates to their cause. If it had been a personal friend, he probably does get more involved (like Dave did with Ben Jealous in MD), but ultimately a reminder that even when we're impressed by it, the expectation that prominent black people demonstrate activism is unrealistic. Would have been a great time to focus on Craig Hodges, though.

- THE KNICKS. Damn those series were great. That Game 5 in 93 was a classic for so many reasons, which they expounded on in the SportsCenter that followed. Mike getting the wind knocked out of him, then making the next 7 shots, the ending with Charles Smith, but the back and forth throughout, just bananas.

- Jerry Krause. His own words. He spent so much time talking about the "organization" and mentioned the team almost like a sidenote. Like he just HAD to get that credit and diminish the most important aspect of their collective success. It's amazing that they were able to sustain greatness as long as they did with such acrimony. The Cowboys with Jimmy and Jerry is the only other comparable example I can think of.

- MJ "knowing how to win." That segment with BJ was incredible and validating. I thought it was childhood nostalgia, but with all the WGN games I was logging in (forget all the nationally covered stuff), there was a tv sitcom-like convention to Bulls games. Mike would either get folks involved early and work within the grand scheme of things, take over late if necessary, or he'd sense the need to 'score the basketball' early and often. I don't know how deeply they will go into it but his basketball IQ was second to none.

- I recently read up on the guys convicted of murdering his dad (one is appealing the sentence), and it had a lot of layers. I will be surprised if they spend a lot of time on it since the Jordan family has taken a fairly unified stance on not going very deep on the matter.

If nothing else, these last two episodes illustrate how mentally fatigued Mike was in that spotlight, and that was BEFORE his dad was murdered.

Can't believe we're more than halfway home already.

  

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184. "link?"
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>- I recently read up on the guys convicted of murdering his
>dad (one is appealing the sentence), and it had a lot of
>layers. I will be surprised if they spend a lot of time on it
>since the Jordan family has taken a fairly unified stance on
>not going very deep on the matter.
>

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208. "RE: link?"
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http://graphics.chicagotribune.com/james-jordan-murder/index.html


>>- I recently read up on the guys convicted of murdering his
>>dad (one is appealing the sentence), and it had a lot of
>>layers. I will be surprised if they spend a lot of time on
>it
>>since the Jordan family has taken a fairly unified stance on
>>not going very deep on the matter.
>>

  

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182. "Comedy Gold"
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https://twitter.com/davidfuternick/status/1257139613115674624

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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185. "I think I see what one of the Okaysports poster was talking about."
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Mon May-04-20 11:49 AM by allStah

          

The documentary is well put together from a technical point.I love the way that it was edited, and the nonlinear timeline really grabs the attention of the viewer. And the song selection for each time frame has been near perfect.


However, it's a very controlled documentary, and hasn't truly revealed anything. It's basically a Michael Jordan documentary, and isn't a Bulls documentary as the title states. It's more focused on Jordan's last dance. There are no real in depth interviews with other players regarding what they were going through. We don't go into the lives of Toni Kukoc, Kerr, Hodges, etc during that time period.

And why wasn't Jaunita Jordan interviewed? She was with him during the bulls' huge dynasty run, and was in the heart of it all. What was her perspective of everything, and what trials and tribulations did she have to go through? Carmen Electra was interviewed, but not Juanita?


Ken Burns the great documentary filmmaker stated that this isn't a real documentary, but more of a scripted depiction of Michael Jordan. Jordan got the final say on everything that is being presented, so how can it be a substantial documentary and showcase every part of that history?


“If you are there influencing the very fact of it getting made, it means that certain aspects that you don’t necessarily want in aren’t going to be in, period,” says Burns, saying he himself would “never, never, never, never” allow such a partnership on one of his films. Added the documentarian, “And that’s not the way you do good journalism … and it’s certainly not the way you do good history, my business."





  

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CherNic
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186. "maybe she didn't want to be interviewed?"
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Idk why people are being so thickskulled about this. Everything literally says the footage would only be used with MJ's permission.

Why aren't his kids being interviewed? Have we seen his sisters? What about his gardener? Why haven't they been interviewed? Yall are nuts lol

  

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allStah
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188. "RE: maybe she didn't want to be interviewed?"
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Not really. We just want authenticate history telling, especially when it is being promoted as such.

It's trying to hard to cover up jordan's true persona, but even the editing, as good as it is, can't cover it up fully.


Did you see how every player from a different pro team, or who came from a different college team, when they approached him just to say hello, he always brought up how he beat them?

When Magic came to the locker room just to say hello during the allstar game, he did it, and even magic was like I just came by to say what's up.

It was very telling when Ewing did it. You could tell Ewing was very bothered by it, and said " don't start that shit again."

They are trying really hard by pushing the narrative "COMPETITIVENESS", to explain why jordan is such a narcissistic self absorbed asshole.


Now just imagine the REAL GLARING footage of his persona that he didn't sign off on.


Plus his adulterous ways while being married to Juanita?

Rodman's life ,in all of its hell and glory, has been exposed and illustrated, but we get this manicured depiction of a superstar player being marketed as a raw documentary?



come on, man.

  

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CherNic
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191. "he's authentically and unapologetically a hypercompetitive asshole"
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we don't need his exwife to tell us that

  

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187. "You really want to interview his ex? "
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You just want the trash.. lol.

Has she ever spoken on their marriage? She prolly signed an extremely long contract to stfu and take half his money.

shut up already, damn

  

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allStah
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189. "RE: You really want to interview his ex? "
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They interviewed Carmen Electra revealing everything about Rodman, which we already knew.

Even Cookie was interviewed for Magic's documentary, and they didn't cover up his gay son. That's real history covering.

However, a documentary covering one of the most iconic figures in united states history during his most prominent state as that icon, and no interview with his wife?

Negro, please

  

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190. "you're comparing an exwife to a current spouse..."
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'they didn't cover up his gay son'....do you know how ridiculous you sound?

  

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allStah
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"RE: you're comparing an exwife to a current spouse..."


          

That was probably a little bit over the top, but you get my point.

All I’m saying is the same thing that Ken Burns is saying ....it’s a bullshit documentary from a historical point.

  

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192. "Have you EVER heard his ex wife speak since the divorce? "
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You ever wonder WHY?

Do you know what a NDA is?

  

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230. "Yeah.. no. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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195. "There are four hours left"
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in line with his career story arc, eps 5 and 6 started to expose his buletproof public person. looks like this will continue next week based on the preview.

he was infallible for the first 7 or so years of his career. why would the doc go out of its way to make up drama when there was truly very little (if any) drama during those years?

we started to see dirt yesterday and I expect that to continue. no reason to jump to conclusions yet.

  

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196. "RE: There are four hours left"
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Mon May-04-20 05:07 PM by allStah

          

True. I’ll wait...... last night episodes, I’m like ,damn this dude is an even bigger piece of shit than I thought. Some of it was cringe worthy.

The Randy Brown interaction didn’t sit well with me at all when he asked Mike for game tickets...

The way he talked to people off camera?

They say that Tiger Woods was warned by his people to stay away from Michael Jordan, and that a lot of his social issues started after befriending him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/us-sports/tiger-woods-warned-stay-away-michael-jordan-155276

I might not make it to the next episodes...

  

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205. "Director 'shocked' Michael Jordan approved Episodes 7 & 8"
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Here you go.

Also, Ken Burns would not be able to effectively make this doc. Everyone understands his point, but he probably shouldn't be saying too much in this instance.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/last-dance-director-jason-hehir-shocked-michael-jordan-approved-episodes-7-8

Here's the director of "The Last Dance," Jason Hehir, on the "Dan Patrick Show" on Monday:

"When you see the episodes next week, you’ll be surprised. Maybe he (Jordan) skipped Episode 7, but I can’t believe that he didn’t (trailed off)...

"The Steve Kerr thing is only a story that's told, and he was eager to tell that, and Steve was, too. But this treasure trove of footage that we had from the NBA, what we tackle in Episodes 7 and 8 next week is what it was like to play with Michael, and then what it was like to play against him, in 7 and 8, respectively.

"And the with Michael stuff, man, I don’t know if you would want to practice with Michael Jordan. It would be fun to watch; I don’t know if it would be fun to interact with him during that because he is hard. He wanted to make those harder than any game could possibly be. And in the East back in the '90s, that meant making it as rough and as mentally grueling as possible.

"And there’s things in there, there’s language in there that I’m shocked ESPN let us keep in, and there’s behavior in there that I’m shocked Michael let us keep in."

So, the scene is set. Episode 7, in Hehir's words, will center on what it was like to play with Michael, Episode 8 on what it was like to face him.

  

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193. "I think it’s funny how they try to make a big deal out of MJ’s..."
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politics or lack there of.

I don’t recall Magic & Bird taking any major political stances back then either.

Sure guys in the 60’s-70’s did their thing but mostly after that it was nothing prior to the modern era and guys still strategically pick their spots.

  

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194. "RE: I think it’s funny how they try to make a big deal out of MJ’s....."
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Really?

Former mayor Harvey Gantt was running for the senate seat against the incumbent Jesse Whelms, who was a known racist, and who believed in racial segregation. Michael was approached by Harvey to support his campaign, and Michael declined to provide support, stating republicans buy sneakers, too.

Stop, bro. It’s one thing to be be unaware of social and political issues, but to be cynical and disrespectful regarding issues that affect, not only the black community, but the community that you grew up in, really illustrated just how self absorbed he was ( and probably still is). Gantt was seeking to become the first black senator of North Carolina.

Y’all will make a million excuses for a dude who doesn’t give two shits about you, and would probably tell you to give him 15,000 for an autograph if you asked for one.






  

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197. "Jordan stated that he doesn't care about your politics..."
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..or anyone else's.

He's never wavered on that stance.

Yet the his shoes continue to be the most popular shoe on the planet.

So my only question to you is: How many pairs of Jordans have you owned since '90?




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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allStah
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198. "RE: Jordan stated that he doesn't care about your politics..."
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I don't and have never worn kiddie shoes, sir

enjoy your evening.

  

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200. "ok, guy..."
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..lol.

Does the same go for all nike apparel?


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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allStah
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202. "RE: ok, guy..."
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Adidas , new balance guy...mostly classic adidas

  

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