6. "held back by Schiano" In response to Reply # 4
I was surprised he did so poorly at Ohio State TBH. he turned Wazzu into a top 20 defense in three years (they've fallen off again and were 113th this year). he moved Oklahoma up 88 spots in national total defense this year. Ohio State was more talented than both places, which makes his year there an odd aberration.
they improved 88 spots nationally in one year. I don't know if Grinch just had a bad year at Ohio State, there was an issue with Schiano, and maybe he's not a DC that can make a defense *elite* -- but whatever the case he was worth that $1 million to Oklahoma this season.
Moving up the rankings and stopping people are two different things. Being able to make key stops on 3rd down and in the red zone are what makes a defense these days, and Okl haven’t been able to do that in some of their games. They heavily depend on their offense.
A third stringer was able to move the ball against them today.
34. "RE: didn't they just make a stop to...win the Big 12 championship?" In response to Reply # 26
They shouldn’t have been in that situation in the first place against a third stringer. Had the starting QB not gotten injured, Baylor would have walked away with that game.
They were getting punched in the mouth in the first meeting. The offense had to put up points to win. And the Kansas State game?
17. "RE: cfb championship saturday" In response to Reply # 0
Georgia just keep shooting themselves. Dropped TD passes,
injuries, missed fgs. They would have 17 points by now.
Joe Burrow is sure shutting me up with how he is playing
against this defense.
Championship gotta be LSU vs Ohio State. Top offense vs top
defense.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Sat Dec-07-19 08:41 PM
25. "LSU’s resume is twice as good as the Buckeyes. " In response to Reply # 23
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36. "Lmao.. schedule weak af tho" In response to Reply # 28
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27. "LSU played their two most complete games" In response to Reply # 0
headed into the playoff.
also, Fromm was abysmal and Georgia's receivers are soft. Blankenship is 1/4 in the last two SEC Championships (just to point out he's not the GOAT SEC kicker). always fun to see UGA fans fill up Atlanta with their tears.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Sat Dec-07-19 09:57 PM
42. "Bullying them in the trenches. " In response to Reply # 40
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44. "RE: Bullying them in the trenches. " In response to Reply # 42
Taylor’s huge run play made that happen. They would have simply run out the clock, but I think it was LB who missed the tackle in the hole ...then Taylor broke loose.
39. "RE: cfb championship saturday" In response to Reply # 0
Chase young hasn’t been the same since coming back from suspension. But this is proof that our defense is predicated on our corners!
We have to correct that shit now. Because Wisconsin with a 2 score lead is the worse. They will run the ball and they have the best run blocking schemes in the nation which is why Taylor has 150 yards already.
We get the ball back back in the second half so we must score on that drive.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Sat Dec-07-19 10:27 PM
47. "Check the punters bank account. " In response to Reply # 0
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49. "What was that? Dude was clearly moving. " In response to Reply # 0
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51. "I don't like the NCAA Pass Interference rule" In response to Reply # 0 Sat Dec-07-19 10:54 PM by obsidianchrysalis
The cap of the penalty at 15 yards incentivizes the defense to take the penalty on big pass plays. The NFL rule, to me, forces the defense to make an authentic football play.
An analogy might be the Clear Path foul rule in the NBA. The rule prevents defenses from limiting the freedom of the play or player. The Clear Path rule rewards the offensive team for making a good play, the same as the NFL's PI rule.
55. "I'd say it's fine." In response to Reply # 51
NFL doesn't even know what PI is, so we don't need NCAA officials having even more leeway to make mistakes. also, the NCAA rules are broader since there are 100+ teams playing.
yes you can just tackle someone to stop a TD. but NCAA also allows more downfield linemen/blocking than the NFL and the hashes are wider (more space for offense). so I wouldn't say it puts offenses at any disadvantage -- just easier to official PI in general.
56. "i used to disagree but now ive come around" In response to Reply # 51
i think the rules should be universal from high school to nfl so yea...it seems ideal
but at the same time the thought of a 40 50 60 70 80 yard penalty (on a deep bomb/hail mary) w the placement of the ball at spot of the foul just seems absurd to me
>The cap of the penalty at 15 yards incentivizes the defense >to take the penalty on big pass plays. The NFL rule, to me, >forces the defense to make an authentic football play. > >An analogy might be the Clear Path foul rule in the NBA. The >rule prevents defenses from limiting the freedom of the play >or player. The Clear Path rule rewards the offensive team for >making a good play, the same as the NFL's PI rule.
------------------- I wanna go to where the martyrs went the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...
73. "The rule inconsistency throughout levels bothers me too" In response to Reply # 56
There was a play in the OSU/UW game which made me post the initial comment.
The UW DB was beat on a play and took a PI to prevent an OSU touchdown. I wasn't pulling for OSU necessarily but it seems shitty that the OSU WR outplayed the DB but wasn't rewarded for his outstanding play. By giving the offense the ball at the spot of the penalty, it gets a bigger reward for the mistake by the defense.
But like will said, with the quality of officiating poorer in the NCAA than the NFL, there's a greater likelihood that a spot-of-foul rule is miscalled. Then it's not fair to the defense to have the field switched because of a bad call.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Sat Dec-07-19 11:03 PM
52. "Has everyone forgot about Clemson? " In response to Reply # 0
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57. "they're in a good spot." In response to Reply # 52
that defense has rounded into form and they still have an elite quarterback with game-breakers all-around him. Venables is the best DC in America, so I wouldn't want to face him in an elimination bowl with a month to prep.
62. "schedule is trash but they are statiscally" In response to Reply # 57
more dominant than last year: scoring more PPG, allowing fewer PPG, higher YPP, lower YPP allowed, better TO margin, better 3rd down conversion rate, lower 3rd down conversion rate by opponents...
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Sat Dec-07-19 11:36 PM
63. "What a pitiful second half by Wisconsin. " In response to Reply # 0
No creativity or balls on offense. Scared to pass downfield.
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66. "RE: What a pitiful second half by Wisconsin. " In response to Reply # 63
27-0 in the second half.
Talk about domination!
The problem was that Wisconsin played very fast to beat OSU in the first half. oSu always plays fast, so you knew badgers weren’t going to be able to sustain That in the second half. Dead tired.
Their plan was to get a lead early and then do what they always do, run the ball to protect the lead. But you need energy to do that. oSU was fresh as hell and fast.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Sun Dec-08-19 09:12 AM
75. "They weren’t playing THAT fast" In response to Reply # 66
and they had 30 minutes at halftime and another 30 minutes on the sideline to rest the offense before they took the field.
3 shitty plays and a fumbled punt.
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74. "Suspect ass play calling" In response to Reply # 71
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Sun Dec-08-19 09:31 AM
77. "LSU should be number 1 " In response to Reply # 0
They just destroyed a good Georgia team and held them to a FG until they game was over.
Ohio State has a gangster point differential but the Big 10 is weak when it comes to offense.
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78. "RE: LSU should be number 1 " In response to Reply # 77
And the the SEC is weak when it comes to defense, which was proven in the amount of points that LSU gave up against teams with good offenses. They just simply outscored Alabama.
Ohio State clamped down on all opponents, and they were never under threat of losing any games they played.
I give OSU the edge because they have been dominant from beginning to end, and beating a top 15 school twice in a season, where they shut them out in the second half, demonstrates their ability to dominate even when coming from behind.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Sun Dec-08-19 04:30 PM
92. "SEC defenses may be down but it’s partially because the offenses" In response to Reply # 78
have finally entered the modern era.
It will be interesting seeing if OSU can hang with a legit offense.
I think Clemson has been ignored because of their schedule.
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- Trevor Lawrence grew up in east Tennessee and was a Peyton Manning fan. Tennessee led his top three for a while, but Butch Jones thought he had his man when Hunter Johnson committed the year before (he flipped to Clemson anyway). Lawrence said his relationships with the UT coaching staff were not as strong as Clemson.
- Justin Fields wanted to visit Tennessee after his sophomore year, but according to his dad, Tennessee basically blew him off.
- Amari Rodgers grew up in Knoxville and is TEE MARTIN'S SON.
- Tee Higgins grew up right outside Knoxville and committed to Tennessee, but Butch screwed that one up too.
81. "I do you one even better with strange happenings. " In response to Reply # 80 Sun Dec-08-19 12:47 PM by allStah
- Joe Burrow left OSU to join LSU when Dwayne Haskins was named the starter. No Joe Burrow, LSU wouldn’t even be in the picture. However, OSU would, with an even more explosive offense with Burrow as QB. Shows you how strong Meyer is as a recruiter. Would OSU have won the NC last year with Burrow? Possibly. In hindsight, I wonder if Meyer makes the same decision.
- You know this one. Bama decides to go with Tua over Hurts. Hurts leaves because he does not want to be a back up. He leads OKL offense and gets into the PO. Tua gets injured, leading bama to missing out on making the PO.
The transferring and recruiting in college football at the QB position is beyond dynamic.
Justin Fields was at Georgia. He gets called a racial slur at the school, and immediately transfers to OSU. Had he stayed, does he win the QB job and lead Georgia to the PO?
Would OSU be as dynamic without him?
Crazy how the three teams in the PO were affected by big time QB transfers.
84. "RE: did you know..." In response to Reply # 80
I also forgot
Justin Fields was at Georgia. He gets called a racial slur at the school, and immediately transfers to OSU. Had he stayed, does he win the QB job and lead Georgia to the PO?
Would OSU be as dynamic without him?
Crazy how the three teams in the PO were affected by big time QB transfers.
88. "if you want LSU to be 1, make them 1 after Bama" In response to Reply # 87
the current playoff bracket absolutely maximizes profit. Ohio St always travels incredibly to the valley, its a pageantry rematch story. to me, this seems economically based. cant blame them i guess
89. "well, I can't say economics don't play a part" In response to Reply # 88
but Ohio State travels everywhere. committee has the shroud of "subjectivity" they can always hide behind, but I think it's reasonable to look at yesterday and move LSU a millimeter ahead of Ohio State.
90. "Because a 13 game season is boiled down to yesterday?" In response to Reply # 89 Sun Dec-08-19 03:46 PM by 3xKrazy
>but Ohio State travels everywhere. committee has the shroud >of "subjectivity" they can always hide behind, but I think >it's reasonable to look at yesterday and move LSU a millimeter >ahead of Ohio State.
Committee made osu #1. There is zero justification for dropping them after osu beat 3 top 12 teams in a row.
And UGA as a top 4 team is a complete farce. Not to mention how banged up they are.
if Ohio State and LSU are separated by the slimmest of margins -- which they are -- I can see one or two people changing their minds after yesterday. LSU dominated their top ten opponent more than Ohio State did.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Sun Dec-08-19 04:35 PM
94. "It was 21 to 7 at halftime... not sure how anyone can be mad " In response to Reply # 91
at these 2 teams flipping after the championship games.
Dominating a top 5 opponent carries more weight than a second half comeback vs a top 10 team.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Sun Dec-08-19 07:23 PM
100. "Be mad then.. championship game is part of the season. " In response to Reply # 97
You really that scared of Clemson?
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104. "yes championship game is part of the season" In response to Reply # 100
and regular season is part of the season as well.
we're going in circles here.
also what's funny is that we're assuming the committee made this decision off of what happened in the championship game when we really have no clue. they can do whatever they want for whatever reason they want and don't have to justify shit. LSU could've won by 3 and still moved ahead of OSU if that was their agenda.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Mon Dec-09-19 08:36 AM
106. "I guess... but I also agree with the rankings" In response to Reply # 104
and that’s based on the eye test and what I saw this year.
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107. "on the surface I don't have a problem with lsu #1" In response to Reply # 106 Mon Dec-09-19 09:48 AM by 3xKrazy
both osu and lsu are worthy of that spot and probably equally so.
I have a problem with osu losing it's #1 ranking after the final saturday. that's not a logical maneuver IMO. this shit is like replay overturning a call made on the field. I need some hard evidence/justification.
and do you agree with uga's #5 final ranking? I have a big issue with that. especially after last year when 2-loss uga was ranked ahead of 1-loss conf champion osu. there's a problem here.
incidentally, osu AD gene smith stepped down from the committee after last year and cited his disagreement with uga's ranking as his reason for disassociating himself from the process.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Mon Dec-09-19 12:28 PM
108. "I don’t have all the info on UGA’s injuries" In response to Reply # 107
but I still think they are better than Wisconsin.
Wisconsin’s just too one dimensional for my taste.
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96. "other bowl matchups" In response to Reply # 0
there was a mad rush on Twitter declaring Tennessee was going to the Music City Bowl against Louisville -- wrong. Tennessee vs. Indiana in the Gator Bowl, thank God.
Orange -- Florida vs. Virginia (blah) Cotton -- Penn State vs. Memphis (could be good, but the Norvell distraction) Sugar -- Georgia vs. Baylor (see if Georgia blows another Sugar Bowl after a SEC championship letdown) Rose -- Oregon vs. Wisconsin (meh)
Citrus -- Alabama vs. Michigan (see which side shows up mentally for this one) Outback -- Minnesota vs. Auburn
99. "RE: other bowl matchups" In response to Reply # 96
>Rose -- Oregon vs. Wisconsin (meh)
I like this matchup actually
>Citrus -- Alabama vs. Michigan (see which side shows up >mentally for this one)
man this is a weird one to try and predict...could be a really interesting game except you'd have to think both teams are going to be missing a lot of players. harb needs this one a lot more than anyone else on the field or the sidelines does.
101. "sheesh these are all bad" In response to Reply # 96
>there was a mad rush on Twitter declaring Tennessee was going >to the Music City Bowl against Louisville -- wrong. Tennessee >vs. Indiana in the Gator Bowl, thank God. > >Orange -- Florida vs. Virginia (blah) >Cotton -- Penn State vs. Memphis (could be good, but the >Norvell distraction) >Sugar -- Georgia vs. Baylor (see if Georgia blows another >Sugar Bowl after a SEC championship letdown) >Rose -- Oregon vs. Wisconsin (meh) > >Citrus -- Alabama vs. Michigan (see which side shows up >mentally for this one) >Outback -- Minnesota vs. Auburn > >Utah fell all the way to the Alamo Bowl
i reallyyyyy dislike the guaranteed-conference-appearance they have set up. fucking Virginia?!
i am alright w Georgia/Baylor and Bama/Mich. i wish it was Florida/Oregon
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Sun Dec-08-19 09:33 PM
103. "These all look decent to me. Not a fan of the excuses tho" In response to Reply # 96
Anytime a power house loses a bowl game they say it’s because they weren’t interested but if they win it’s proof the conference is legit
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Mon Dec-09-19 04:32 PM
111. "I agree with the matchup but not the final score" In response to Reply # 109
Prolly goes to overtime but I think Clemson wins like 44 to 42 in OT.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Tue Dec-10-19 11:51 AM
117. "Clemons hasn’t played anyone this year bruh" In response to Reply # 113
you could take the best players from every team they faced this year and they still wouldn’t be as talented as LSU.
LSU’s offense ain’t nothing to f wit.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Tue Dec-10-19 01:22 PM
119. "WRONG! You can’t disregard LSU’s offense " In response to Reply # 118
just because Clemson has kept opponents in check this year.
For the record I think Clemson wins on a shootout but holding LSU under 15 points? Sheeeeit. I’ll take that bet
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Wed Dec-11-19 09:22 PM
123. "This feels like the first time no one had a legit gripe for missing it" In response to Reply # 122
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