I believe that Fury had to get off of the canvas not once, but twice.
Fury did nothing except throw a few punches at the end of the round to make it look like he was in command. You know that same old stuff that DLH used to do in his fights.
Like I said we haven’t seen anything like Wilder in terms of power. Marciano was probably the closest to Deontay. In where he could be outclassed then BOOM... it’s over.
>I believe that Fury had to get off of the canvas not once, >but twice.
That accounts for two rounds, four if you include the points that were deducted for the KDs. Wilder didn't win another 3
>Fury did nothing except throw a few punches at the end of the >round to make it look like he was in command. You know that >same old stuff that DLH used to do in his fights.
Respectfully disagree
>Like I said we haven’t seen anything like Wilder in terms of >power. Marciano was probably the closest to Deontay. In >where he could be outclassed then BOOM... it’s over.
I haven't been following boxing for that long, but I will give Wilder his flowers. You can argue his "technique" but you can't argue his record and his resolve. He is deserving of everything he's earned to this point
27. "RE: How? I'm not disputing your statement in the OP" In response to Reply # 25
>I simply stated that he would lose to Wilder ... I >technically could've started watching boxing in December 2018 >to come to that same conclusion
Actually your original post you said that he was going to lose to Fury... all that aside.
Fury did throw a lot of flurries at the end of the rounds. That stuff tends to fool those who don’t know much about boxing. The more telling blows in the fight belonged to Wilder.
29. "Ok so put bread up then" In response to Reply # 27
Should be easy money since I don't know much about boxing
>>I simply stated that he would lose to Wilder ... I >>technically could've started watching boxing in December >2018 >>to come to that same conclusion > >Actually your original post you said that he was going to lose >to Fury... all that aside.
You're right. My reply in the post above was a typo. I stand by my OP
>Fury did throw a lot of flurries at the end of the rounds. >That stuff tends to fool those who don’t know much about >boxing. The more telling blows in the fight belonged to >Wilder.
There were many other experts and former boxers who saw the same thing I saw
30. "Why would I bet with you, I don’t know you." In response to Reply # 29
>Should be easy money since I don't know much about boxing > >You're right. My reply in the post above was a typo. I stand >by my OP > >There were many other experts and former boxers who saw the >same thing I saw
You don’t know much about boxing, but it is what it is. Who cares what “experts” said or other boxers. A lot of them think they won fights that they’ve lost.
If there was a responsible ref then they would’ve waived that fight off. Fury should’ve technically lost 2 of his last 3 fights on stoppages. He’s going to sleep this time.
31. "Then we done here" In response to Reply # 30 Sun Dec-01-19 01:39 PM by snacks
>You don’t know much about boxing, but it is what it is.
We coulda just left it about the boxers but here we go. You don't know me enough to bet but know me enough to know I don't know much about boxing. You don't know shit about me
>If there was a responsible ref then they would’ve waived >that fight off.
Fury outboxed Wilder the rest of that round but go off tho
6. "Fury fought the fight of his life - props to him." In response to Reply # 1
He was looking like a Gypsy Ali out there lol. Bobbing, weaving - incredible movement --- and then he got caught - and was essentially knocked out. Super long count. Ref Jack Reiss inserted himself in that moment a bit - and really seemed to be into the narrative of Fury's redemption - and gave him an extra couple of seconds to recover. Most boxing refs would've waived it off.
But to Fury's credit - he got up and boxed for the remainder of the round w/ unbelievable resolve.
That said - I can't see Wilder fighting *that* badly throughout. I also can't see Fury being that evasive for another 12 rounds. He fought the perfect fight in the first fight - that'll be tough to duplicate. -->
Nah, bro. Not even. Fury is obviously the much more skilled boxer, and I think he's smart enough to make the necessary adjustments. Obviously, with Deontay it only takes one shot, but I'm gonna roll with the better boxer for the rematch.
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10. "Fury wasn't sturdy on his feet at 8" In response to Reply # 8
and his eyes rolled back into his head. I'm gonna say that this is waived off 80% of the time. I also have seen Reiss insert himself in fights in the past. I don't know if Wilder gets that same regard if he's knocked down like that with his eyes rolling back into his head, and wobbly at 8 making his way to his feet. But like I said - to Fury's credit - he did get up and showed incredible resilience.
>Nah, bro. Not even. >Fury is obviously the much more skilled boxer, and I think >he's smart enough to make the necessary adjustments. >Obviously, with Deontay it only takes one shot, but I'm gonna >roll with the better boxer for the rematch.
Did you see Fury's last fight? He almost got outboxed by a middle of the road fighter. Fury's a great boxer, but he fought his best fight against Wilder in the first fight, and Wilder has one of his worst outings of his career. I like the odds of Wilder fighting a better, smarter fight - and Fury not being in *that* kind of condition to get on his motor for 12 rounds and evade all of Wilder's shots.
Fury has always been inconsistent from fight to fight - so we'll see if he's peaking (like in the first fight) or if he's fading a bit.
17. "RE: This is a super long count to you?" In response to Reply # 8
>Nah, bro. Not even. >Fury is obviously the much more skilled boxer, and I think >he's smart enough to make the necessary adjustments. >Obviously, with Deontay it only takes one shot, but I'm gonna >roll with the better boxer for the rematch.
Wilder's last 15 opponents have been more skilled than him. It has never mattered. Conventional wisdom does not apply here, the guy has unprecedented power in that right hand. He figuratively had to rise from the dead in the 12th round last fight. I like Deontay making the necessary adjustments that will allow him to land "one shot" than Fury evading his right hand for 12 rounds again.
18. "Re: Wilder's last 15 opponents have been more skilled than him" In response to Reply # 17
>It has never mattered. Conventional wisdom does not apply >here, the guy has unprecedented power in that right hand. He >figuratively had to rise from the dead in the 12th round last >fight.
This is all true.
>I like Deontay making the necessary adjustments that >will allow him to land "one shot" than Fury evading his right >hand for 12 rounds again.
I'm not sure Deontay is much of "adjustments" type of fighter. But maybe you're right. We'll see come February.
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23. "RE: Fury fought the fight of his life - props to him." In response to Reply # 6 Mon Nov-25-19 08:36 PM by snacks
>He was looking like a Gypsy Ali out there lol. Bobbing, >weaving - incredible movement --- and then he got caught - and >was essentially knocked out. Super long count. Ref Jack >Reiss inserted himself in that moment a bit - and really >seemed to be into the narrative of Fury's redemption - and >gave him an extra couple of seconds to recover. Most boxing >refs would've waived it off. > >But to Fury's credit - he got up and boxed for the remainder >of the round w/ unbelievable resolve. > >That said - I can't see Wilder fighting *that* badly >throughout. I also can't see Fury being that evasive for >another 12 rounds. He fought the perfect fight in the first >fight - that'll be tough to duplicate.
Both fighters will be better versions of themselves. The narrative coming into that fight was that Fury was fighting it too soon, as he'd just lost the 140 lbs or so after a 3 year layoff and only had one tune up against a lesser class fighter. He seemed intent on not only winning, but embarrassing Wilder, and got careless IMO. He didn't look great in his last outing, but he didn't in the tune up prior to Wilder either. He will be ready. Like I said in the above post, I reserve the right to be wrong
26. "RE: Fury fought the fight of his life - props to him." In response to Reply # 23
>Both fighters will be better versions of themselves. The >narrative coming into that fight was that Fury was fighting it >too soon, as he'd just lost the 140 lbs or so after a 3 year >layoff and only had one tune up against a lesser class >fighter. He seemed intent on not only winning, but >embarrassing Wilder, and got careless IMO. He didn't look >great in his last outing, but he didn't in the tune up prior >to Wilder either. He will be ready. Like I said in the above >post, I reserve the right to be wrong
Good point on Fury not looking good in the tune-up to Wilder. But I just think Fury fought the perfect fight in the first bout - while Wilder really didn't fight his fight. I think Wilder will be more effective early in the rematch - and I don't think Fury can keep his motor up to the standard that it was in the first fight - but we shall see!
5. "It's time to give Wilder his props. " In response to Reply # 0
In so many ways - he's the American HW champion the sport has been waiting for - but is still criminally slept on.
*Devastating, historic KO% and one-punch power *Entertaining Gladiator-style bravado; marketable superstar *Great personal, family story *Exemplary role model *Wants to fight the best, never ducks anyone, calls for biggest fights continually
If he was born in Brixton, he'd be a mega-star (as big if not bigger than Anthony Joshua). If he was born in Berlin, he'd be filling out 70,000+ stadiums like Wladimir Klitschko. If he was born in Guadalajara he'd be a god like Canelo.
But he was born in Tuscaloosa, and barely gets shown the requisite love he deserves from American sports fans who are disproportionately obsessed with the NFL while continuing to carry the tired "boxing is dead" narrative. It may be dead, within the interior of the United States. But boxing is boom elsewhere.
7. "Seriously -- what is not to like? " In response to Reply # 5
All I've heard is people CRYY For YEARS about how "Floyd is too technical...all he does is run." Of course that is bullshit....but now we get a guy who CLOSES THE SHOW BETTER THAN ANYONE EVER....and....what's the excuse?
American sports fans have terrible, awful priorities.
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11. "If you watch Floyd and think it's boring" In response to Reply # 9 Mon Nov-25-19 10:51 AM by Vex_id
then you must not be too fond of boxing. Because Floyd employed the science of boxing more profoundly than virtually anyone. The defensive wizardry, the counter punching, the precision punching (most accurate puncher in compubox history) etc...
Floyd was exquisite to watch. But O_E's point is apt: So many American boxing fans denigrated Floyd for his style and pleaded for an American fighter who could close the show and go for the K.O. Now that we've got a supreme HW who does *just that* - we say "oh he's not a great boxer! I don't like his accent!" or some other ridiculous critique. Whereas other countries rally and boost their boxing stars, we do everything in our power to mitigate their greatness in the U.S. It's bizarre.
13. "Boxing has a matador element to it - hit and don't get hit" In response to Reply # 12
It takes immense skill and mastery of the sport to be able to fight like Floyd fought - he was the sport's greatest matador - but he was also a great, accurate puncher - not just a defensive wizard. Prior to his hand injuries - he was blasting out competition with offensive firepower (see: Corrales fight). He adjusted his game as he aged - and had a ridiculously sustained peak of ~20 years as an A+ class fighter.
Some casual fans didn't appreciate it - but if you just want to see guys hit each other -- that's cool -- but boxing has never been just about two guys smashing each other's faces in. There are other leagues/venues for that if that's your thing. But appreciating the sweet science of boxing is something we should do more of IMO.
14. "That's cool that you're tryna break down what Floyd did" In response to Reply # 13 Mon Nov-25-19 11:47 AM by Hitokiri
But, it's really not necessary. By the time Floyd became a big enough name that non-afficionados knew him (Probably around the time of the DLH fight), people thought he was boring. And a lot of those later career fight were boring.
But I think this question of nationalism vis-a-vis athletes is a much bigger conversation that has to take a lot of things into consideration. Hegemony, geopolitics, internal national politics, the way that countries/cultures are viewed by outsiders. It's so much more complicated than "Americans should root for... Like other nations root for..."
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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."
15. "Cool. So Soccer as a sport is "boring" to me" In response to Reply # 14
Difference is: I have the emotional intelligence to understand that my views on that are subjective, that there are exciting things going on that I JUST don't care for whatever reason
Y'all don't do that with Floyd
Y'all say it is OBJECTIVELY boring
It ain't
It's exciting and awesome
Y'all just dumb and immature
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