3. "this dude is turning into a Beast." In response to Reply # 0
He was destroying Paul Milsap.
Gentry is a genius. He put Ingram at the 4 to take advantage of the Huge mismatch. He is faster than power 4s, using his speed, length, And quickness to get whatever shot that he wants.
All the while being able to switch to guard 3s while Hart has the ability to switch over And guard 4s.
Light skin Durant. And he is becoming deadly from all ranges.
If the lakers don’t get at least 2 rings, that deal will be a bad deal. It’s a bad deal anyway on age alone.
And Ball? They are really going to regret that one. His passing and getting everyone is effortless. That one touch pass off the ally-oop. ?
4. "RE: this dude is turning into a Beast." In response to Reply # 3
>If the lakers don’t get at least 2 rings, that deal will be >a bad deal. It’s a bad deal anyway on age alone. > >And Ball? They are really going to regret that one. His >passing and getting everyone is effortless. That one touch >pass off the ally-oop. ?
Lol i think the Lakers will be fine knowing they've got prime Anthony Davis for nearly a decade.
But damn that's an awful lot of praise heaped on a 1-4 team. -->
5. "RE: this dude is turning into a Beast." In response to Reply # 4 Fri Nov-01-19 01:30 PM by allStah
From your response, I already know you have not watched a single pelicans game.
The lakers will not have Anthony Davis for a decade. I would put a house note on that. He is a 26 year old highly injury prone big man. He has yet to complete a season without missing a significant amount of games, and now he is dealing with a shoulder injury. Laker were up by 20 the other game and he was still out on the court playing.
He is skillful and of this world . He reminds me so much of Hakeem with his fast feet and great foot work as a big, and he used to be a guard, so no big man can guard him.
Brandon is 22 years old, and he is currently averaging. 27 ppg , 10 rebs and 6 dimes. He is going to be around for close 2 decades possibly.
What have we learned over the years regarding bigs and wing players? ....wing players always win in the end.
Jordan/Bowie Durant/Oden Possibly Zion/ Barret
And now there is Ingram/ Davis:....no doubt in my mind Ingram is going to win this one. Wing players always win.
6. "BI is an immense talent - but playing until he's 42?" In response to Reply # 5
I have watched the Pels - and they are fun as hell to watch. Can't wait for Zion to come back.
BI has looked to be ready to take the next step - but can he be *the* guy leading a team to be competitive for a title? That's the praise you've heaped onto him that he'll have to live up to - and he needs to start now after having 3 full years to develop in the league - already in his 4th year.
>What have we learned over the years regarding bigs and wing >players? ....wing players always win in the end. > >Jordan/Bowie >Durant/Oden >Possibly Zion/ Barret > >And now there is Ingram/ Davis:....no doubt in my mind Ingram >is going to win this one. >Wing players always win.
You're insane to compare Davis to Bowie & Oden. AD has *already* proven to be a hall-of-fame talent and he's got 4 more seasons in his 20's.
11. "RE: BI is an immense talent - but playing until he's 42?" In response to Reply # 6
I’m comparing them health wise. The fact that I have to explain that to you is a problem.
Wing players always out last bigs in the nba. That was my point. It’s not about skill. Oden was skillful and dominant, but his body failed him.
Bowie body failed him Oden body failed him We are seeing it with Zion... who do we take morant, rj or Zion?
I was like we have been down this rode so many times. Wings always out last bigs. And Brandon Ingram is no different.
even Kobe won over Shaq! Shaq got old and slow quick and they traded him to Miami. And the lakers won 2 more rings
Ingram is 22! Jordan didn’t become a champion until close to his 30s , same thing with Durant . He is way way ahead of schedule. Hell this is when most college players enter the league. He came out after his freshman year.
Always remember : Wing players always win! So when AD breaks down, and it’s going to happen, remember this post.
> >Ingram is 22! Jordan didn’t become a champion until close >to his 30s , same thing with Durant . He is way way ahead of >schedule. Hell this is when most college players enter the >league. He came out after his freshman year. JORDAN?
DURANT?
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16. "I know y'all mostly agenda'in..." In response to Reply # 14
and I legit don't care, but KD himself was the one who made the comparison...maybe that's why he's using it. Obviously, BI is not going to become the most deadly scoring machine the league has probably ever seen...but, c'mon.
"First person I can say, that I can look at him and feel like I’m looking in the mirror"
...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft
19. "I think you have a screw that’s loose." In response to Reply # 18
Durant compared BI to himself.
So what you think is irrelevant. Like your perception is all that matters , and Durant himself made the comparison. So I guess you know more than Durant, champ.
15. "he's shown it before. I gotta watch some pelicans games" In response to Reply # 0
but my question is still if he can be effective when the offense isn't running through him?
and if the offense is running through him, can he make enough plays to help his team win other than when his shot is dropping / has his shot gotten more consistent?
I must be wrong if I'm agreeing with thatruth, but I don't think he's trash, I just don't know if he helps a team win enough
17. "He seemed to excel when he had the ball and the offense ran through him" In response to Reply # 15
At least he was that way in LA. But can he do it on a team when he has to be the star? And can he do it on a team with expectations?
Granted this start is the only time he's really shown he is capable of growing into that player so time will tell.
Personally, I could see him growing into a good #2 to a #1 who didn't need the ball alot to generate their offense. Like you got at, he doesn't quite have a set of skills to meaningfully contribute when his role isn't tailored to his skillset. If he managed to figure that out, he could be part of a team with a real chance at high-level success.
31. "is PG a top 3 MVP/DPOY candidate every year? " In response to Reply # 22
You do understand what a "range" is, yes?
Yes, I think that, at his peak, he'll be at least as good as some version of PG/JB.
That isn't the same as saying he'll be at least as good as the best version of those guys. His "floor" is that category of player, I think. I could be wrong, and time will tell.
But yes, I think he has MVP candidate potential, but I didn't say that's his floor. I raise that you're not one for nuanced thinking though, which is why you went straight to peak PG as your response.
62. "I don't see where i made any statements about Ben at all" In response to Reply # 60
I'm talking about BI.
I don't see how you concluded that the statement that Ben is better than BI for the time being somehow means Ben would remain stagnant.
I'm not Basa. I don't give two fucks about winning an agenda, and I don't feel a need to denigrate another player to cast "my guy" in a better light.
I'm jealous of Ben's start, relative to BI. I just don't think that start means that BI won't inch ahead or keep pace at some point, and my belief in BI's potential to do that means only that I think he has immense potential, not that Ben will somehow stagnate in his present form.
40. "Kuz fits in best w/ Bron & AD out of the Kuz/BI/Zo trio." In response to Reply # 35
BI is a volume scorer and needs a lot of touches. Not a great defender, not a lights out shooter (even from the line) - and not a guy who has shown he can excel in a third-wheel role.
Kuz was far more impressive/consistent last year - and proved to be a better system player.
55. "I'm going by facts and the sample-size of BI/KUz w/ Bron" In response to Reply # 54
Kuz is a much better player off the ball with Bron. He doesn't have to dominate possession to be effective. Last year w/ Bron, Ingram's touch time before a shot was at least two seconds on 65.7 percent of his attempts. In contrast, Kuzma typically takes less than two seconds (63 percent). Also ~27.5% of Ingram's attempts came after at least six seconds of ball-handling.
Ingram needs to be more ball-dominant to be effective, whereas Kuz has developed into a touch and shoot player/moves effectively/slashes and creates passing angles for the greatest passer in the game.
When paired with Bron - Kuzma consistently was the more effective pairing in virtually all measurable statistics, and it was pretty clear just a few months into the season:
>he's an efficient scorer and he'd be the best perimeter >defender on the lakers right now. he's improved from 3 and at >the line.
Even if this turns out to be true - it wouldn't be because of what Ingram proved as a Laker. He is taking a huge step forward thus far this year, but it's still a small sample size on an abysmal 1-6 team. Ingram was not a great defender by any stretch of the imagination his first 3 years in L.A. - shot free throws in the 60's - and didn't play off the ball all that well. Bad recipe when matched with LeBron.
B.I. may very well turn into the better individual player when compared to Kuzma - but Kuzma is likely the better fit for a team dominated by LBJ & AD.
57. "the FACT IS he's picking up where he left off last season" In response to Reply # 55
good luck slowing down kawhi and PG and Lou without a long armed athlete, who just happens to be capable of getting you an easy 25 and initiating offense for himself and other, giving bron much needed rest...kinda like Ky did.
58. "RE: the FACT IS he's picking up where he left off last season" In response to Reply # 57
> >good luck slowing down kawhi and PG and Lou without a long >armed athlete, who just happens to be capable of getting you >an easy 25 and initiating offense for himself and other, >giving bron much needed rest...kinda like Ky did.
There is no answer for the Clipper wings - just as there's no answer for the Bron/AD pick and roll and Bron penetrate and dish out to shooters. But the Laker defense has been exceptional so far with elite rim protection - so the Clippers better hit *all* their jumpers to beat the Lakers in a 7 games series.
Ky was a great complement to Bron with the ability to take over games and give Bron needed rest. AD can be the same kind of player, albeit in a different way. Going to AD in the post creates all types of spacing and you have to decide whether to double or allow him to eat your guy up one on one on the block. That's a new luxury for LeBron and is gonna serve him well in this latter stage of his career.
38. "RE: Absolutely zero defense was played in that game lol" In response to Reply # 36
>What? Another poster who doesn’t watch games > >Allen was guarding him most of the night. Pretty much >contesting shots. > >Here are the highlights since you didnt watch the game > >https://youtu.be/OR5oUitsSPk
I actually watched the game almost from start to finish,the “watched games" angle is from like 10-15 years ago, you don't have to pay for league pass to watch games outside of your area in 2019 lol
46. "? who's against dude being good?" In response to Reply # 42
I think it's unknown if he can win games as a primary option, and with NO not at full strength maybe they can answer that when they've got everyone back.
for the pelicans, this might be the best possible thing, to showcase him and maybe be able to trade him. I just don't know if he fits with zion, but we'll see soon www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
47. "lmao this isn't going to age well" In response to Reply # 42
>Y’all see my mans but scared to admit what we all know. > >Y’all going to regret giving up Ingram.
Ingram wasn't effective as a third option (even a second option) for L.A. As a first option with a green light and no expectation of winning (N.O. is 1-6) - it's pretty easy to fill up a stat sheet if you have Ingram's talent. It's an entirely different thing to do that on a winning team when you're asked to complement guys better than you.
>And when Anthony Davis comes back to Chicago soon! Y’all >really going to be heated.
lol except that this isn't going to happen.
Lakers are *infinitely* better precisely because they dealt BI & co. to N.O. for AD.
48. "Lakers are 5-1" In response to Reply # 42 Tue Nov-05-19 07:54 PM by DJR
Ain’t worried about nothin’!
Oh, but they were “getting killed” by Dallas, until Luka got that severe concussion that kept him out of no games, and their two best players had to bail the team out by being the two best players. Lol.
51. "RE: My bulls running these Pasadena arse cats " In response to Reply # 49 Tue Nov-05-19 08:46 PM by allStah
On the real, lakers bench and green and Caruso cant handle the rock. coby stripping big time
Backcourt of Dunn and Coby is ruthless on defense. I really like Coby at the 2, so Dunn can focus on the point and coby can score and d . Caruso getting ate.
68. "I said soon, not now." In response to Reply # 67 Fri Nov-22-19 10:01 AM by allStah
He is averaging 25/8/5, shooting 51% and 45% from 3. Those are MVP like numbers and are definitely all nba and allStar numbers. And he looks to play top defense.
Clippers have won 4 of their last 5 games, where they beat the clippers.
MVP race is:
Giannis Luka Lebron Harden
But right now I would definitely put Brandon in honorable mention. He has given everyone the business whether his team wins or loses.
He faces the clippers and lakers next week as well as Utah. It doesn’t get any tougher than that.
He will have to guard Kawhi or George and lebron. If he gets numbers on this road trip, against mvp candidates. The talk will be for real.
72. "Sidebar: For as much grief as the Lakers got about their drafting" In response to Reply # 0
The outcomes of their recent drafts - Randle, Russell, Ingram, Ball, Hart, and Zubac - turned out pretty solid. A top 3 of Ingram, Russell, and Randle would be solid, actually more than solid.
For as much as Bron changed the course of the franchise and it's a move that you do ten out of ten times, it might have been better for the team, long-term, to let Bron go elsewhere and build on the core of the drafted players.
But likely they all wouldn't have developed into the players they are now, with all of them on the same team. Russell and Ingram are both high usage players and who knows if they would complement one another.
77. "RE: The Mismatch’: Brandon Ingram Is Better Than Ben Simmons" In response to Reply # 76
As a more complete offensive player, I would say hell yes.
However, Ben Simmons’ ability to make other people better and his defense, as well As being a complete floor general makes him a very important player.
81. "Can you take this back to GD." In response to Reply # 80
You don’t watch games. It’s very rare for Utah to give up that many points and the pelicans battled to the end . They are very a young team so of course they are bad. And You would have to be blind to deny the fact this kid is balling and tuning into an unstoppable player.
Regular season records mean nothing, which teams like the clippers don’t care about. Also don’t pay attention the lakers record but how they are winning . No doubt they are in first.
But they won by one point against a very bad , very young Memphis team who had them on the ropes. Morant and that entire team was way faster than the lakers and LA need every ounce of energy to beat them. They won by 1 point in the last seconds
Before that, back to back games against OKC , another bad bad team, where the lakers gave up like 127 points in both games and needed the final seconds to win . You Saw it against Dallas as well. They are working very very hard to beat bad teams.or young teams.
Now when they play teams like the clippers and raptors, they lose, so there is that.
Now look at the clippers, they are like what 11-5, but they have beaten the top teams in the nba: Celtics, Lakers, Rockets. And they did it without playing well and players basically resting the first three quarters . Lou Williams had zero points in the first half of that win against the rockets, but finished with 26 points.
Again no doubt lakers are in first , but underneath there are some issues that will not translate well against the top teams in the league as we are seeing when they play them.
We shall see . Long season and it’s going to be fun.
82. "a good solid performance against the clips." In response to Reply # 0
They were putting PG on Brandon at times, and PG’s offense suffered because of it. One thing I like about the pelicans they play hard every night. Was 88-80 at one point , but clips are the clips.
24/8/5.
Has yet to have one game under 20 points this season.
84. "Killing it. Love to see it" In response to Reply # 0
He always showed flashes - especially after the AS break last year - but now he’s changed his shot profile with a very good three point shot, confidence, and rhythm that has opened his game up completely.
Love seeing him prosper.
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