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>Point taken, I did mean unified. > >>On that same note, remember before Crawford even got a title >>at 147, he was already calling Errol out. Errol said he'd >>fight him as soon as he got a belt at 147. Now that Terence >>has the belt, there are more excuses and more reasons why >the >>fight can't happen. Now there's "taking the easy route" by >>fighting Porter first or fighting Williams at 154. All the >>excuses and changes of story are coming from Spence, but >>people still wanna blame Bud. Man gtfoh lol. >>As boxing fans, our only responsibility is to demand the >>fights that we want to see... not be be managers or advisers >>telling them where to sign. When this fight was first being >>mentioned, everyone just wanted it to happen. Now that PBC >is >>playing in-house games, alotta people have started taking >>shots at Crawford for signing with Top Rank. Frankly, >that's >>ridiculous. Top Rank has worked with Matchroom multiple >times >>this year, even in unification fights. They don't mind >having >>their champions fight champions from other promotional >>outfits, so blaming Terence is stupid, to be blunt. >>Terence has a wife and 5 children, so I'm sure he's looking >>out for their future when deciding which contract to sign. >And >>like I just said, Top Rank has proven that they can work >with >>others. Perhaps he didn't expect PBC to be so scared to put >>Spence in with him. Who knows, but I'm not getting into all >>that "shoulda signed here" silliness. If BOTH of them >insist >>on making the fight, it happens. But Al don't want it, and >>Errol will "never go against the grain with Al Haymon." > >Clearly as boxing fans we demand the fights we want to see. >However, this is not Utopia. We are holding contemporary >fighters to the standards of how business was conducted 30 >years ago, it is no longer applicable. I never said Arum >didn't do business with other promoters. This is specifically >about Arum and Haymon. History proves I'm correct. They will >be judged by the most meaningful fights of the time like >Mayweather/Pacquiao or today Spence/Crawford but there was a >multitude of other fights that could be made between the >promoters that never happened. They just don't do business >with each other. For example, Tim Bradley called Spence out >for not fighting Crawford. Spence responded by saying >something like Bradley retired when he was in line to fight >Spence implying Bradley was scared. Bradley of course took >issue with what was being insinuated. He talked about him not >having the option to fight Haymon fighters in his day because >the promoters didn't do business with each other. I'm saying >to myself, is the truce over? Like what did I miss, they >STILL don't do business with each other. > > >I am a fan of the sport but I have also been paying attention >to how business has actually been done. You mention Crawford >having a wife and 5 kids which speaks to desire to be able to >provide for them financially. Errol has a family too.
5 children and a wife vs 2 children. Is this a comparison? If so, one is more expensive than the other.
>What you call excuses coming from Spence could also be called >options that Terrence simply doesn't have.
I call them excuses because he said he'd fight Terence as soon as Terence got a belt. His story changed. I care about his word, which obviously ain't shit at this point. Errol "The Lie" Spence would be more fitting. He's gone back on his word.
>Errol was talking >about unifying before he became champion. The champions at >the time made him starve. They taught him the business of >boxing.
And all this happened before he said he'd fight Terence when he got a title, so it's not helping the case.
>And as he has recently remarked after the Porter >fight, "My how the tables have turned now."
Yeah he's been typing "Tables turn" on Twitter and Instagram since the time of the Mikey Garcia fight or little before.
>He is in the >drivers seat. He wants to make the most profitable fights he >can make while he has the opportunity. It is a fact that >Terrence needs him. He might as well be on an island over >there with Arum. You act like they go to the same school and >can just square up after class. Showtime/ESPN/Fox, there is a >lot of corporate money at stake, acrimonious relationships >between promoters, egos, money. There is a lot that goes into >making a fight between two promoters aligned to two different >networks. Hence, it doesn't happen that often.
It does. It just doesn't where Haymon is concerned. Hooker and Ramirez just unified on DAZN. Loma fought Campbell, Yarde fought Kovalev. The list goes on. Many of his fighters are on islands as well. Marcus Browne for instance had been in position to fight for a title for a while. The problem was none of the champions in his weight class are with the PBC. They don't give their champions away like that. Ruiz was let off the leash because he wasn't a champion yet and wasn't important to them. They've let Ugas fight on a Top Rank card before too. Unification bouts like Hooker and Ramirez tho? Forget about it.
>We can agree to disagree. I stand by what I said. There is >no evidence to suggest any certainty of having the opportunity >to fight the best fighters in his division being a Top Rank >fighter. We are not taking about what should be or what we >want to see, we are talking about how the game is actually >played today.
I mean we would have to agree to disagree if you're not going to acknowledge the fact that Top Rank JUST CONDUCTED a unification match with another promotion outfit. When did you see PBC do that with anyone? The problem isn't necessarily Top Rank. That's the LDBC narrative. Listen, I can appreciate advocating for the Black-operated business, but we can't lie about what's actually going on. If their tactic is to freeze everyone out, it just is what it is... especially if they're freezing out other Black people and got shills calling that man names and disrespecting him.
>>Terence also got his title by beating the guy who beat >>Pacquiao... the guy who Errol wants to fight right now > >Don't die on this Jeff Horn shield fam. Don't do that.
Ain't nobody dying nowhere. I'm responding to your claim that Horn isn't an important win or that he's "beat nobody." Nothing you're saying below is denying that. Horn gave Pacquiao hell, and Terence made it look like child's play. That's just a fact.
>Terrence wanted to fight Pacquiao when they were both with Top >Rank and rightfully so. Manny has been semi retired for the >past 3 years. He just came back in the fold, actually came >into the ring after the Spence fight in Dallas, of course >Errol wants to fight him. That is a bigger fight right now >than fighting Crawford. Remember this is about wife and kids >and building futures. Just acknowledge Errol has more >potential contracts. Both of them businessmen.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Days like this I miss Sha Mecca
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