1st press conference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfmQiNt8NxE

2nd press conference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P5FAhJ7XD0

Face To Face:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRGuNPZPYQM

On Fox today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WJL-OK1pOs


Like most, I'm expecting Errol to come out on top. A part of me is rooting for Shawn tho. He seems to be taking this fight more seriously than any other fight in his career... been training for months, sparring the like of David Benavidez, etc. Still, his last performance against Ugas doesn't offer much in which to place faith. He abandoned his classic reckless style in favor of trying to box from the outside, and it just didn't look good... to the point that many felt he lost the fight despite him getting the nod. Spence is coming off a dominant outside boxing performance against a shorter man but one who wasn't a welterweight.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if Shawn finds a way around Errol's jab and makes something interesting happen in close, but Errol is most known for those body shots in close. The intrigue here will be finding out if Errol can stop Shawn who's never been stopped imo.

What say yall?

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Spence has the IBF
Porter has the WBC

Winner will be leaving with 2 belts.
They both wanna fight Pacquiao if they win, because he's now with the PBC and has the WBC title. Pacquiao is rumored to face either Mikey Garcia or Danny Garcia next. I think he *might* fight Porter should Porter win, but I strongly doubt he'd wanna fight Spence. Spence claims he'd just go for the Crawford fight if Pac-Man ducks him, so that's the scenario I'm kinda hoping for lol. At the same time tho, Spence also said he'd go for the Crawford fight as soon as Crawford got a title at 147, so his word doesn't appear reliable in these situations. Who knows... just throwing out possible scenarios.

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like he usually does. If he doesn't he'll probably get knocked out. Hoping Spence takes it but all in all it should be a good fight.

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body work is gonna be his key.

Otherwise Spence by UD.

Porter has shown me nothing at all that tells me he can handle Spence. I think Porter lost to Ugas truth be told.

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Porter will make it tough, that's what he does. But Spence is on another level.

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https://youtu.be/T76OkfGzzRQ?t=247

Errol knows he's going to win. you can feel the confidence. i have Errol by TKO but i hope Porter can prove me wrong

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Porter gets too much credit for that wild aggressive shit. I can't wait to see the compubox numbers bc I'm sure it's not that close. Like in round six Errol dominated Sean but these fools were saying Porter won the round for that wild ineffective shit.

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I don't think Errol looked as good in any rounds as Shawn did in the 4th and 9th. Shawn really surprised me. Errol NEEDED that knock down on my scorecard. Shawn landed a lot of shots, while Errol landed the cleaner work although landing less reminiscent of the Porter vs Garcia fight, but Shawn was more active and in better shape for this one. He made Errol look average imo. My only knock on Shawn is that I really wish he was more accurate. He could've stopped Errol if he was.

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That's what he does. Like I said it was a great fight but I agree with the 116-111 scorecard. In the end Spence ended up throwing more and landing more according to compubox which I figured was the case but because of Porter's aggressiveness it makes it seem like he threw and landed more.

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>That's what he does.

Yeah I'm aware.

>Like I said it was a great fight but I
>agree with the 116-111 scorecard. In the end Spence ended up
>throwing more and landing more according to compubox which I
>figured was the case but because of Porter's aggressiveness it
>makes it seem like he threw and landed more.

I disagree w/ compubox quite a bit and this is one of those times. I saw Shawn landing a lot of punches and controlling the majority of the fight. I wasn't deluded about what I was watching, which is what you seem to be implying. We can agree to disagree.

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Thought Porter won too many rounds for the knockdown to cost him the fight

<shrug>

Great fight, looking forward to a rematch

Maybe Spence gets his confidence up vs Garcia

and goes into a rematch better prepared

Porter forced Spence to fight his fight

and controlled the fight for the majority of the fight

Didn't think inflated compubox numbers from borderline low and ineffective bodyshots and a flash knockdown late were enough to give Spence the W.

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>Thought Porter won too many rounds for the knockdown to cost
>him the fight
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I would lean that way before I leaned to Errol actually. I had it a draw but only because I thought Errol at least earned that with the knockdown.


>Great fight, looking forward to a rematch


Unfortunately they didn't have a rematch clause, but Shawn was strongly suggesting (practically begging for) it at the post-fight press conference.


>Porter forced Spence to fight his fight
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>and controlled the fight for the majority of the fight


Totally agree.


>Didn't think inflated compubox numbers from borderline low and
>ineffective bodyshots and a flash knockdown late were enough
>to give Spence the W.


I can definitely see that view.

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in the immortal words of Roger Mayweather:
"DON'T KNOW SHIIT ABOUT BOXING!"

Porter wont 4 to 5 rounds MAX.

Spence fought Porter's fight and made it "look" closer than it was but the MORE EFFECTIVE AGGRESSIVE fighter was Spence.

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But yeah I don’t think it was particularly close

about boxing. I really hate that it has to come to this with some of yall.

>in the immortal words of Roger Mayweather:
>"DON'T KNOW SHIIT ABOUT BOXING!"
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>Porter wont 4 to 5 rounds MAX.


Again, I disagree. I thought he controlled the majority of the fight, and actually looked like the better fighter in there. I didn't expect that, but it's what I saw.


>Spence fought Porter's fight and made it "look" closer than it
>was but the MORE EFFECTIVE AGGRESSIVE fighter was Spence.


I actually acknowledged that Errol landed the cleaner work, but I think his work was less. I think Shawn landed a lower percentage of his punches thrown due to his volume but landed more and controlled more of the fight... which is also a scoring criteria (ring generalship) along with effective aggression. Errol couldn't even back that man to the ropes without getting turned on the ropes himself. I can't be the only one who saw that. As for Errol fighting Shawn's fight, I think that was because Shawn gave him no choice. Look at their faces at the post-fight press conference. He gave Errol that work.

At any rate, I respect that it's your opinion that Errol won. All I ask if that you do the same for those who feel Shawn won. We ain't gotta disrespect and insult each other in here fam.

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>I actually acknowledged that Errol landed the cleaner work,
>but I think his work was less. I think Shawn landed a lower
>percentage of his punches thrown due to his volume but landed
>more and controlled more of the fight.


I think Errol landed his clean shots when there was less happening. Shawn tended to land his clean shots after drawing Errol into exchanges, which made them less noticeable to onlookers.

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What did he make Errol do that he did not want to do for a majority of the fight?

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and then ask this question. Many onlookers saw the answer to this question in the fight, and I have no problem answering it, but...
Since you coming all wrong in here, let's first establish that we can disagree without resorting to insults. If you can't meet me on those terms, I'm not interested in a discussion with you.

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? Did he really force Spence to fight his fight or did Spence volunteer to fight Porter's fight?

Did Porter control more on the ropes?

What rnds did Porter win?

I had him winning 4 rounds.

Did porter control more on the inside?

Did Porter control more in the middle of the ring?

Where was this control for a majority of the fight for Porter?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7kR7Nnp7BY

Two division champion who's had many close fights himself and 3 official draws. He has to know a thing or two not only about boxing but also about close fights.

This is why we can definitely just agree to disagree. Again, no need to insult other folks' boxing knowledge.

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Have you ever even seen the guy fight? How many times?
And are you seriously asserting that he knows nothing about boxing?
How many world titles have you won?

I have to ask again... Are you seriously asserting that BADOU JACK's opinion here is less valid than your own and that he "don't know shit about boxing"?

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But you're telling folks they don't know shit about boxing.
That's genuinely hilarious.

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Errol has found himself in a place that is all to familiar with black athletes being perceived as phenomenal athletes and not skilled craftsmen of their field. Such as the black QB that at times ignores his athleticism to prove to racist critics than he can also be a polished pocket passer. Spence essentially ran over a host of opponents before he faced Mikey Garcia. You heard it in the press conferences that he really wanted to show more dimensions to his game but he has always looked the most dominant doing him.

I think Errol has taken somewhat of an arrogant approach in his last two fights attempting to beat his opponents at their own game. You won every round against Garcia but opened yourself up to criticism of not being able to finish a much smaller opponent. I can honestly only give Porter more than 4 rounds but to a lot of people Spence fought Porter's fight instead of his which causes people to give Porter the benefit of doubt in a lot of those rounds. Spence clearly landed the cleaner shots to the body. He (landed) more jabs and more shots to the head as well. This was also reflected in the punch stats. But Porter still appeared to be fighting his fight. Errol and his team need to get back to doing what made them the most feared in the first place. They need to get back to making people adjust to them. Shawn is a DOG. I have all the respect in the world for what he brings to the table. I still only gave him 4 rounds.

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I think we could just as easily call it insecurity. That often motivates people to feel they have to prove things to other people (and insecurity is often at the core of arrogance, but that's too much psychology right now lol). The reason I partially agree is that I believe he did wanna show another wrinkle against Garcia, but I don't think he had a choice with Porter. When Porter is on you, he forces you to fight inside. There are points in this fight where Spence is trying to move away, but Porter will not get off him. I'm thinking of a specific point in round 9, but it happened multiple times. I can imagine that, at some point, trying to stay away from dude is just too much work... very similar to what we were seeing with opponents of Jarret Hurd prior to the J-Rock fight. Austin Trout was outboxing the fuck outta dude, but he got tired and said 'fuck it' and had to stay in the pocket more. Same with Lara even tho is game plan included more in-fighting. It looked pretty clear to me that Spence WANTED to box from a distance, but Porter ain't letting that shit happen lol. Garcia was trying to get inside on him but didn't have the quickness or the strength, the feints, the iq, etc.
Overall, I think Spence deciding to bang on the inside with Porter was more of an adjustment that Porter forced him to make rather than one that he made with the intention of proving anything. I think he did it either because it was easier than trying to box, trying to box was too tired, or both.

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>The reason I partially agree is that I believe he did wanna show
>another wrinkle against Garcia, but I don't think he had a
>choice with Porter. When Porter is on you, he forces you to
>fight inside. There are points in this fight where Spence is
>trying to move away, but Porter will not get off him. I'm
>thinking of a specific point in round 9, but it happened
>multiple times. I can imagine that, at some point, trying to
>stay away from dude is just too much work... very similar to
>what we were seeing with opponents of Jarret Hurd prior to the
>J-Rock fight. Austin Trout was outboxing the fuck outta dude,
>but he got tired and said 'fuck it' and had to stay in the
>pocket more. Same with Lara even tho is game plan included
>more in-fighting. It looked pretty clear to me that Spence
>WANTED to box from a distance, but Porter ain't letting that
>shit happen lol. Garcia was trying to get inside on him but
>didn't have the quickness or the strength, the feints, the iq,
>etc.
>Overall, I think Spence deciding to bang on the inside with
>Porter was more of an adjustment that Porter forced him to
>make rather than one that he made with the intention of
>proving anything. I think he did it either because it was
>easier than trying to box, trying to box was too tired, or
>both.
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Both Lara and Trout even at this point in their careers were much better boxers than Hurd. I think that was always his plan to eventually overwhelm them with his size and strength. Hurd does not have boxing advantages over anybody at the elite levels. He is a more athletic Margarito. I think Hurd does have some boxing ability and we will see more of it should he fight Williams again but he is not as polished as the guys at the top. He did not have an extensive amateur career and it kind of shows.

Spence on the other hand is a much better boxer than Porter. I said from the beginning I don't see any advantages for Porter. Showtime is at his best pressuring fighters. I think Errol is more effective at that because he is a heavier puncher but Errol doesn't have to just pressure guys. This is why I feel like he chose to stand there and trade to prove a point. You can make the case that both Thurman and Garcia did a better job controlling distance against Porter than Spence. He attempted to impose his will on them as well but both refused in large parts to fight on the inside and attempted to maintain distance. I wouldn't say Thurman or Garcia are most polished boxers than Spence. But you could say both of them stayed true to who they were against Porter even though Garcia came out of the short end.

Tell me y'all saw the low blows Errol hit Shawn with. Those were fouls that should've counted against him. Shawn outworked him and deserves a rematch.

Both fighters pay seems a bit low at $2 million.

>Tell me y'all saw the low blows Errol hit Shawn with. Those
>were fouls that should've counted against him.


Definitely saw this. Shawn was just riding with it too. Another reason my respect for Shawn grew so much in this fight.


>Shawn outworked him and deserves a rematch.

His effort does, but Ugas was even more deserving of a rematch w/ Shawn and didn't get it before Shawn lost the belt, so it's all messed up. Because of that, I actually think Ugas deserves a shot at Errol now before Shawn gets a rematch since they're all gonna avoid Crawford anyway.


>Both fighters pay seems a bit low at $2 million.


PBC fighters make more than is reported.

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Errol doesn't believe Shawn is a dirty fighter. One of the interesting things about this fight was the lead up in which these two guys, who life each other were asked to do more to sell the fight that either of them had done before. There was a really funny moment when they had a back-and-forth about who was the "more stand-up guy." That's how bad these two are at drumming up drama. So, anything Errol said about Shawn being dirty has to be spoken about in this context. But yeah, there were low blows, and Shawn caused some of those (not all) by pulling Errol's head down.

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>Errol doesn't believe Shawn is a dirty fighter. One of the
>interesting things about this fight was the lead up in which
>these two guys, who life each other were asked to do more to
>sell the fight that either of them had done before. There was
>a really funny moment when they had a back-and-forth about who
>was the "more stand-up guy." That's how bad these two are at
>drumming up drama. So, anything Errol said about Shawn being
>dirty has to be spoken about in this context.

I understand they have to sell the fight, but did he retract the statement? Porter's dad/trainer is still talking about it in the interview I posted below in reference to tall the low blows Spence threw. Spence said it multiple times, and the funny thing was he said "everybody knows" which means he knew his vlogging fans would run with it, which made it even more messed up, because folks haven't stopped running with it even after the fight. Just like most fighters with a marketing push, Spence has some really nutty fans who attack and demean anything opposing him and take his word as gospel truth (like when he said Algieri was better than anyone on Crawford's resume LOL). He could've easily just called Shawn an "ugly" or "sloppy" fighter. Spence fans will hang that on Shawn forever. I pretty much withdrew from the LDBC over the Spence fanboyism.

>But yeah, there
>were low blows, and Shawn caused some of those (not all) by
>pulling Errol's head down.

Funny thing is Errol put Shawn in a headlock multiple times, but Shawn managed to never hit him low. No passes from me in that regard.

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Spence?

I guess you liked how he looked spinning Spence on the ropes?

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allow for good fights. Just a messy scrap with a lot of holding and missed punches. Seems like a genuinely good guy but I can't stand seeing him fight. Hope there's no rematch.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjReeTDYZ8w

He gives a really in-depth breakdown of what Shawn was doing (and Errol *wasn't* doing) in there for those who are wondering, scoffing or just humbly admit they don't have the boxing knowledge to notice it all.
I'm not tripping if you disagree, but he probably knows more about boxing than any of us since some of yall think anyone who didn't think Errol won definitively is some kind of boxing novice.

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Spence just looked unprepared...until he let his hands go in the later rounds

Didn't use his size or reach to his advantage
Wasn't the aggressor in the middle of the ring
Got turned, repeatedly, when walking porter down
No head movement
Only defense was to cover up
Never moved to his right to setup a straight left and get his lead foot outside of porter's
Porter repeatedly got inside
and porter's upper cuts were the most effective punches

Those examples were present for too much of the fight for me to give it to Spence.

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>Spence just looked unprepared...until he let his hands go in
>the later rounds
>Didn't use his size or reach to his advantage

Yeah I was saying elsewhere in here that I think his original plan was indeed to box from the outside, but Porter just made it too hard to stick to.



>Wasn't the aggressor in the middle of the ring
>Got turned, repeatedly, when walking porter down

Man, Porter's footwork off the ropes was brilliant. The way he would parry Errol's hook and then use that momentum to turn him was some boxing judo shit.


>No head movement
>Only defense was to cover up
>Never moved to his right to setup a straight left and get his
>lead foot outside of porter's
>Porter repeatedly got inside
>and porter's upper cuts were the most effective punches
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>Those examples were present for too much of the fight for me
>to give it to Spence.


From what I've seen from analysts, you're in great company.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdtZ3Q06ThI

Crawford would be great not only because it would be an entertaining fight and comparison tool, but it would be a good fight for Bud given his opponent selection over on Top Rank. We'll see if PBC "advises" either of these options for Shawn.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_31eRsckPk

Guy has trained quite a few world champions and contenders, but you know that if you follow boxing. With the types of people who scored it close or a draw, it kinda makes more sense that one would say those who DIDN'T have it close "don't know shit about boxing", but that ain't my style. I'm just here to hear different opinions and discuss. Don't come in my boxing posts with that "you don't know shit b/c u don't agree with me" bullshit, because you gettin shut down even if I agree with you concerning the fight at hand. Discuss like adults. Surely a site full of folks around the age of 40 can't do that.

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Yeah, I think the 116-111 scorecards are just fucking ridiculous

I have no idea how someone can only give porter 4 rounds

I rewatched, because I was truly baffled

There's about 3 rounds that were really close and hard to score

So yeah, I could see a draw

Couple of more points

Spence has one of the most pathetic jabs I've ever seen

He just sticks his arm straight out

No pop, no snap...more like a stiff arm

and that's why porter was able to get inside at will

Also, I think people are forgetting...that knockdown wasn't much of a knockdown

He touched his glove

It wasn't like he got laid out

Spence really had a chance to finish him

But he just stood there, instead of following up with more punches

Anyway, I could see a draw

But 8 rounds for Spence...nah, didn't happen.

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