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will_5198
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"did the Dolphins bring The Process to the NFL, or are they just stupid?"


          

it's sort of an interesting topic, since they are so committed to tanking at this point. it's rare you see that in the NFL, because losing a bunch of football games still requires blood, sweat and ACL tears (unlike basketball).

right now Miami has the following draft selections*:

2020 1st rounder
2020 1st rounder (Pittsburgh)
2020 1st rounder (Houston)
2020 2nd rounder
2020 2nd rounder (New Orleans)
2020 3rd rounder
2020 3rd rounder (comp)
2020 4th rounder (Tennessee)
2020 5th rounder (Pittsburgh)
2020 5th rounder (comp)

2021 1st rounder
2021 1st rounder (Houston)
2021 2nd rounder
2021 2nd rounder (Houston)
2021 3rd rounder
2021 4th rounder
2021 5th rounder

*I didn't include anything in the 6th round or later because with that many picks, they likely couldn't sign them all and will probably just use them to move up in the 4th-5th rounds.

ho-lee shit. that is a ton of draft capital. in what looks to be a very good cycle of college quarterbacks in the next two classes, for about as well as we can quantify that via crystal ball.

does it work? of course it depends on the draft, where even the best GMs are right half the time. and if Flores and his staff can coach (he'd be an outlier coming from the Belichick tree). but I read that this is a chance to completely restart, develop positions that take time, get a bunch of cheap talent on rookie deals, and take their shot at the division as Brady breaks down at age 45.

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Should be fun to watch this play out and see how well it works
Sep 17th 2019
1
as I understand, they don't want to de-value Rosen
Sep 17th 2019
3
The last part of your statement answers the question.
Sep 17th 2019
2
It's an amazing haul and impressive dedication
Sep 17th 2019
4
right, there are a number of problems
Sep 18th 2019
6
the mid to late round picks is the trickiest part
Sep 18th 2019
7
lol four #1 overall picks in six years. FOUR.
Sep 18th 2019
8
that's the interesting bit
Sep 20th 2019
15
i mean they managed to lose plenty without trying
Sep 18th 2019
5
Hershel Walker trade says that this strategy can work
Sep 18th 2019
9
ehhhh i dunno
Sep 19th 2019
13
Giants should be tanking for Jerry Jeudy right now.
Sep 19th 2019
10
two out of three ain't bad
Sep 19th 2019
11
as long as they dont pull a John Elway this should work
Sep 19th 2019
12
exactly. a very savvy org could make it work. they aren't that.
Sep 19th 2019
14
so they aren't getting Burrow/Young
Dec 29th 2019
16
Flores impressed me
Dec 30th 2019
17
Cincy fans winning right now
Oct 25th 2021
28
Flores did a hell of a job. just missed the playoffs but won 10 games.
Jan 04th 2021
18
Easily, Coach of the Year and they have a lot of picks to get some
Jan 04th 2021
19
The dump Tua talk is crazy IMO
Jan 04th 2021
20
      Yeah.
Jan 04th 2021
21
      RE: Yeah.
Jan 05th 2021
25
      that would be insanity...
Jan 05th 2021
23
      its insane. he doesn't have anybody to throw to
Jan 05th 2021
26
           People said this is why Fitzpatrick was successful
Jan 05th 2021
27
They have the 3rd overall pick?
Jan 05th 2021
22
      RE: They have the 3rd overall pick?
Jan 05th 2021
24
well, well well. how the turntables...
Oct 25th 2021
29
They bet on the wrong horse in Tua and need to Rosen him STAT
Oct 26th 2021
30
just won their 6th game in a row
Dec 19th 2021
31
trust the Process
Dec 19th 2021
32
They have beat 6 mostly bad teams but it is still impressive
Dec 19th 2021
33
Flores was brought in as the rebuild fall guy
Jan 10th 2022
34
BINGO!!
Jan 10th 2022
35
amazes me how some fans actually think its about hiring the best man…
Jan 11th 2022
36
Or that the best players always play
Jan 11th 2022
39
      yup.. its a business
Jan 11th 2022
40
yup
Jan 11th 2022
37
Dolphins owner said they were winning but the vibe wasn’t right.. lmao
Jan 11th 2022
38
RE: Dolphins owner said they were winning but the vibe wasn’t right.. ...
Jan 11th 2022
41
Naw. True translation.
Jan 11th 2022
42
      Not surprised you agree with it.. lol
Jan 11th 2022
43
           Everything is not about black or white.
Jan 11th 2022
44
           I'm curious what games you've seen from Tua...
Jan 11th 2022
45
           We don’t know that.
Jan 11th 2022
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           its not about Tua’s color
Jan 11th 2022
48
           I’m with you and not surprised by his take at all
Jan 11th 2022
46
                Gives you a nice glimpse into the mind of bad ownership
Jan 11th 2022
47
                I’ve been saying Tua isn’t good for a while now
Jan 11th 2022
51
                     We don’t know that yet.
Jan 11th 2022
53
                Bears made several PO appearances under Pace,
Jan 11th 2022
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                     Tua isn’t good, he isn’t a terrible QB. He is Trubisky 2.0
Jan 11th 2022
52
                     damn.. this is sad approach for a team
Jan 11th 2022
54
                          Flores was getting his ass kicked by top offensive teams.
Jan 11th 2022
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                               yeah.. he should’ve won 13 games this year..
Jan 12th 2022
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RE: did the Dolphins bring The Process to the NFL, or are they just stup...
Jan 12th 2022
57
Pretty much.
Jan 12th 2022
58
2019 --> 2022
Mar 24th 2022
59
Bills —> Josh Allen
Mar 24th 2022
60
Devante Parker --> Devante Parker
Mar 24th 2022
61

calij81
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1. "Should be fun to watch this play out and see how well it works"
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If they hit on half their draft picks, pick up a few bargain pieces in FA and Brady or BB finally retires then the division could be theirs to run for the next 5-8 years.

I was high on Rosen while he was at UCLA and I think your were as well. Do you think he fits into their long term plans? Do you think Rosen even has a future in the NFL as a starter? I just figured his struggles last season were largely due to him being a rookie and the Cardinals lack of talent. I was surprised he didn’t beat Fitz out in Miami but I figure he will see the field sometime this season.

  

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3. "as I understand, they don't want to de-value Rosen"
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and are trying to get back the 2nd round investment they made on him. so they don't want him to take the brunt of the rebuild.

or maybe he just sucks. I think his surrounding casts after 18 games in the league make that hard to judge.

either way, he's so cheap they should keep him anyway. his rookie contract is less than most veteran back-ups. they can draft a top QB and still have a cheap developmental QB to flip at the end of his contract (a la Garoppolo).

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2. "The last part of your statement answers the question."
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They want to bubble until Brady is gone like a dealer preparing to flood the block knowing that the warrant squad is imminent for their rival. Open that window as wide as you can if it works.

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

  

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4. "It's an amazing haul and impressive dedication"
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But I feel like in the NFL you can't and shouldn't do a complete and total detonation the way you might do in hockey or basketball.

In hockey you can get by with like one decent top line and three lines of depth players and youth.

But in the NFL aren't rosters too big and some positions too important?

For example, trading Laremy Tunsil? The guy is 25. Maybe you don't want an elite left tackle this year, but are they not going to want one 2, 3, 5 years from now while Tunsil is still in his prime? So now they're going to have to draft one in 1-2 years?

I dunno.

I kinda love rebuilds in any sport (shout out to Jagr -> Ovechkin), but this seems too much.

  

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6. "right, there are a number of problems"
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first off of the four or five major sports, a football player has the least impact as an individual. secondly you need to hit on mid and late round picks to have a winning team. thirdly there is a shit ton of player movement and you'll never sign any free agents of a decent value and barely any at all if you suck a fat one year after year.

the easiest sport to do it in basketball because the best players are so concentrated in the top 10 picks and of course one guy can turn your whole shit around, in ways that even an elite QB, LT, etc cannot in the NFL. hockey it's not tough either, unless you're fucking edmonton, because you get two or three money guys by sucking and there are other means of getting the rest of the roster (hard cap creates FA and trade movement, plus culturally firings/trades are much more common than other sports). i think it's a hard sell in baseball, unless you're smart AF about it (e.g. Astros) and in the NFL it's goddamn near impossible.

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7. "the mid to late round picks is the trickiest part"
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I just don't know how you balance that on a football team. most guys aren't good enough in their first few years to carry the whole thing without the mid round vets you hit on a few years before.

at best you end up with some stars, but by the time they're ready to win now you gotta pay all of them and now the franchise tag is working against you cuz you can only tag one

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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8. "lol four #1 overall picks in six years. FOUR. "
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>unless you're fucking edmonton

  

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15. "that's the interesting bit"
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>For example, trading Laremy Tunsil? The guy is 25. Maybe you
>don't want an elite left tackle this year, but are they not
>going to want one 2, 3, 5 years from now while Tunsil is still
>in his prime? So now they're going to have to draft one in 1-2
>years?

Tunsil is going to be a FA after next season, when you'll have to pay him $20+ million a season. but you are still getting his prime (age 27-33) at a position that is probably the 2nd-hardest to draft right now, outside quarterback.

so do you bet that your team will be good enough by 2021 to tie up $100 million at LT? because spending that kind of money means you start the win-now countdown. or do you bet that you hit on 3 players in the top 50 of the draft, who'll be on rookie contracts until 2023-24, and put yourself in a better place cap-wise with a better overall team?

I think LT is such a premium and Tunsil is young enough to keep him. but maybe the team is so shitty (well no maybe, they are) that you had to sell him to jump-start this rebuild. and he certainly netted a big return. but then you have to hit on at least 2 of the 3 picks.

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5. "i mean they managed to lose plenty without trying"
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but i'll say this, that steelers 2020 pick is looking pretty fuckin nice right now. between that and their own pick, they could really kick start this rebuild.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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9. "Hershel Walker trade says that this strategy can work"
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They really did draft foundational Hall of Fame guys
from those picks

  

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13. "ehhhh i dunno"
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it's of an outlier to me and people widely misunderstand what made that trade work. your idea that they got "legitimate HOF players" out of it, while kinda true, helps illustrate why.

first off, a big issue was that the vikings attached conditional picks to the roster players they sent to dallas. they figured dallas needed players and would keep most if not all of the five roster players they sent to them. in one case, a player refused to report and they traded him to san diego for another pick. the other four guys i don't think ever played a down for minnesota and the cowboys cashed in those picks. that replaced the picks they sent out and then some.

from there, the cowboys had to finesse a number of things, coupling the assets they acquired with other assets to move up in the draft to select emmitt smit--who was really the key to them winning the trade--with pittsburgh's first rounder (they sent one of minnie's picks plus assets to move up). that was the first first rounder. the second one they also packaged in a big package that was kinda risky in its own right, their deal to move up for russell maryland (he was supposed to be the cornerstone to their rebuild).

they made another deal with the pats that got them darren woodson in the second round and indirectly (yet another trade) kevin smith who started for them for a while at corner.

those were the significant guys they got in the trade, and as you can see none of them were directly obtained in the deal. they had to maneuver well beyond the additional deal to get the best out of it, and you'd never see a team make that type of deal today.

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10. "Giants should be tanking for Jerry Jeudy right now."
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Seriously. Jones-Barkley-Jeudy.

Miami need TT, it’s the right thing to do

  

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11. "two out of three ain't bad"
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>Jones-Barkley-Jeudy.

  

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12. "as long as they dont pull a John Elway this should work"
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no matter how many draft picks this stupid asshole has he is completely clueless.

This Bolles dude had FOUR HOLDING PENALTIES in one week. Gutter trash. picked Assweiler over Russell Wilson and Cousins.

I could write an essay but im gonna stop myself.

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14. "exactly. a very savvy org could make it work. they aren't that."
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16. "so they aren't getting Burrow/Young"
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but the way Flores has rallied these guys over the course of the season was a hell of a coaching job. I think I'd be more encouraged as a fan by the on-field results and 5th pick than a complete dumpster fire like Cincinnati.

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17. "Flores impressed me"
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Especially with that roster.

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28. "Cincy fans winning right now"
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>encouraged as a fan by the on-field results and 5th pick than
>a complete dumpster fire like Cincinnati.

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18. "Flores did a hell of a job. just missed the playoffs but won 10 games."
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and now they have the 3rd overall pick.

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19. "Easily, Coach of the Year and they have a lot of picks to get some "
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help for the offense. They could even trade out of that 3 spot and get a few more picks.

I do think he needs to get rid of Chan Gailey but Tuas youth and lack of playmakers probably buys Gailey another season as OC.

  

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20. "The dump Tua talk is crazy IMO"
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Dude didn't get a full training camp coming, was coming off an injury, and they had major COVID implications on the offensive side of the ball.

Also, how many times is Fitzpatrick going to fool people?

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21. "Yeah. "
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He's not Josh Rosen or even Darnold. Give Tua some time.

I think people think because Maholmes came in and lit the world on fire, every young quarterback ought to do that. Even Maholmes got a year to sit and watch.

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25. "RE: Yeah. "
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>He's not Josh Rosen or even Darnold. Give Tua some time.
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>I think people think because Maholmes came in and lit the
>world on fire, every young quarterback ought to do that. Even
>Maholmes got a year to sit and watch.

Sadly, this happens almost anytime a few players from the same position blows up early. I'm old enough to remember when OBJ, Landry, and others blew up and folks went to town taking shaky WRs and assuming they were gonna be on some 90 catch 10 TD stuff outta the gate. OOPS!

And how many small/fast/'gadget' players have gotten drafted early after Sproles (and even a dude like Percy Harvin)?

And yeah, Mahomes was and is a special arm talent who landed in the best possible place. Andy and Eric were on some LMAO stuff when the Bears took Mitch and left them a shot at Patrick. And now that he's learning the game and making life easier on himself, good luck stopping him on a regular basis with that group of pass catchers. And folks need to understand that KC's offensive line has not been amazing this year at all. AKA he could be doing even more.

  

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23. "that would be insanity..."
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dude is so young and inexperienced. What they need is a new OC, for real...and some weapons. Dan Orlovsky cringed at the idea of them drafting a QB when Greenie posed the question, yesterday. He and Rex Ryan were both like....no, stop! Use that pick and get the best OL in the draft or an elite WR and build out.

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26. "its insane. he doesn't have anybody to throw to"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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27. "People said this is why Fitzpatrick was successful "
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The wideouts were bad and Fitzpatrick is at the point in his career where he is like "eff it" and didn't care if he threw INTs. Tua is trying to throw people open and they are not getting separation.

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22. "They have the 3rd overall pick?"
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Holy sh*t. Not sure how i missed that. To win ten games, rebound from a rebuild, have Tua as a possble franchise or draft a new QB is pretty damn amazing

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24. "RE: They have the 3rd overall pick?"
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>Holy sh*t. Not sure how i missed that. To win ten games,
>rebound from a rebuild, have Tua as a possble franchise or
>draft a new QB is pretty damn amazing

Yep. BOB in Houston made that trade figuring the Texans would be good and the picks wouldn't be all that valuable. Oops. They sucked. They were hurt. He got canned. The defense laid down a lot. 4-12. Giving up a top 3 pick (and anotha pick) for Kenny Stills and Tunsil isn't aging well at all.

  

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29. "well, well well. how the turntables..."
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the 2022 first rounder they traded to Philadelphia is probably going to hurt. next year's draft doesn't look particularly strong, but I know Miami wasn't expecting to give away a top 5 pick to get a top 6 pick.

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30. "They bet on the wrong horse in Tua and need to Rosen him STAT"
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Flores can still save face but the clock is ticking. I don’t know how much validity there is to the Deshaun rumors - that last just a shitstorm I’d want to stay away from if I were trying to build a successful culture.

They should go all in on Russell Wilson

  

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31. "just won their 6th game in a row"
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back to .500 and in the AFC playoff mix, amazingly enough

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32. "trust the Process"
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33. "They have beat 6 mostly bad teams but it is still impressive"
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34. "Flores was brought in as the rebuild fall guy"
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usually a minority coach who connects with the players and oversees the bad years, only to be unceremoniously removed due to "wins and losses" once the talent he nurtured is ready to win

problem was, he started winning too many games and overachieving with this current group

Ross kept the middling GM and struggling Tua (who Flores hated) over the one guy that actually showed the most promise during this process

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35. "BINGO!!"
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36. "amazes me how some fans actually think its about hiring the best man…"
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for the job

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39. "Or that the best players always play"
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40. "yup.. its a business"
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knee a guy who had a tryout with the Bucs back in the day. He went to FAMU and was lighting it up in camp

They pulled the plug on his showing and told him to hit the showers

because the powers that be wanted Brad Johnson or whoever it was at the time.

Like Kaepernick said: “You have to have that stamp of approval or its damn near impossible to play certain positions at the highest level.”

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37. "yup"
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38. "Dolphins owner said they were winning but the vibe wasn’t right.. lmao"
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https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/nfl/2022/01/10/brian-flores-fired-miami-dolphins-and-joe-schad-explains-why/9157327002/

Ross did not like the vibe in those Dolphins' offices. Ross did not like what he was hearing, what he was seeing and what he was sensing.

In the end, Ross simply decided Flores wasn't the person he wanted leading the organization. He did not like what was happening behind the scenes.

It wasn't about wins and losses. It was about people.



so these fools fired Flores because he was stubborn and winning his way? White men in the NFL front offices are so fucking fragile.

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41. "RE: Dolphins owner said they were winning but the vibe wasn’t right.. ..."
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>so these fools fired Flores because he was stubborn and
>winning his way? White men in the NFL front offices are so
>fucking fragile.

This has an "angry black guy" vibe to it.



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42. "Naw. True translation."
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Him and Tua didn’t get along....It was Tua over Flores, and I agree with it.

He is going to get someone in there who is more offensive minded.

That way they will find out if Tua is the guy or not.

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43. "Not surprised you agree with it.. lol"
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44. "Everything is not about black or white."
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And Tua is a black QB.

It was quite obvious that one of them was going to have to go in order
for the team to have a true direction. The identity of the team is a defensive one,
which is what the owner is referring to, and that’s not the direction they want to go
in. Flores just wanted one way of playing and coaching.

Constant turnover with the coaching staff, couldn’t settle the offensive
play calling issues, and didn’t really have a good connection with the players.

They want an offensive identity with Tua at the helm, to see
if he is the guy or not. They weren’t going to find that out
under Flores.

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45. "I'm curious what games you've seen from Tua..."
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...that even remotely indicates he will ever be a high level franchise level QB. And i LOVED Tua in College. Dude just is not it.

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50. "We don’t know that."
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It has only been 2 season, and there was no development under Flores.

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48. "its not about Tua’s color"
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its about an owner hitching his wagon to a GM who has failed over and over..

and firing a HC who is trying to bring a winning culture to a franchise that sucks ass

Keeping the GM is foolish at this point. Tua probably isn’t the answer and trying to turn a team set up for defense into a good offense is foolish.

Back to 6-11 they go next year.

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46. "I’m with you and not surprised by his take at all"
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Advocating to keep Pace in Chicago and firing Flores to keep Tua happy. What a world man…

  

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47. "Gives you a nice glimpse into the mind of bad ownership"
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Where people want to see what they want instead of what is actually in front of them.

Tua just isn’t that good.

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51. "I’ve been saying Tua isn’t good for a while now"
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My brother in law who is still a Chargers fan was legit upset when the Chargers didn’t trade up for Tua and settled for Herbert. I told him the chargers dodged a bullet and Tua wasn’t worth a top 10 pick.

  

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53. "We don’t know that yet."
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His main issue is avoiding injuries, not his ability.

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49. "Bears made several PO appearances under Pace,"
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and had a 12-4 season, and the bears have tons of talent.
Miami is nowhere in that category, not even close. Pace is
a good GM. Miami can’t say that.

What are you talking about?

In order to see if Tua is the guy or not, he has to be in a real offense first.
We don’t know what Tua is going to be, which is why they moved up from Flores
to find out.

They have to figure this out soon, so if he isn’t the guy they can draft
a QB in 2023

No pussy footing around.

Why is that so hard to comprehend?

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52. "Tua isn’t good, he isn’t a terrible QB. He is Trubisky 2.0 "
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So I underhand why you defend him and still believe in Tua.

  

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54. "damn.. this is sad approach for a team"
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fire the good defensive QB to hire an offensive guy to see if Tua is legit?

and then wasting another draft pick on a QB?

its like the Bears have turned you into a defeated fan who accepts terrible FO decisions.

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55. "Flores was getting his ass kicked by top offensive teams."
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His defense didn’t stop those teams, so that’s false and overrated. You want
to at least have an offense in there that can keep up and put up points.

Also, the culture he was building was a culture that was overly conservative.
Why do you think he had such a high turnover with his coaching staff, and
didn’t really connect with his players?

Do you see any players responding against this termination?

Team isn’t winning.
Team can’t compete with good teams.
Your own staff don’t like you
And the players don’t too much care for you.

He was trying to turn Miami into a patriots like culture.

You thought that was going to ride out into the sunset on
some romance shit?

FOH.

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56. "yeah.. he should’ve won 13 games this year.. "
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and its wild crazy to want to turn a team around and ruffled some feathers

he’a about to be the Chicago coach so you need to get ready for big ole meany McFlores

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57. "RE: did the Dolphins bring The Process to the NFL, or are they just stup..."
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Belichick acolyte fails, alienating people in the process


News @ 11

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58. "Pretty much."
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I can’t believe I’m agreeing with you.

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59. "2019 --> 2022"
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QB Ryan Fitzpatrick --> Tua Tagovailoa
RB Kalen Ballage --> Chase Edmonds

WR DeVante Parker --> Tyreek Hill
WR Allen Hurns --> Jaylen Waddle
WR Preston Williams --> Cedrick Wilson
TE Durham Smyth --> Mike Gesicki

LT Julie'n Davenport --> Terron Armstead
LG Michael Deiter --> Connor Williams
C Daniel Kilgore --> Michael Deiter
RG Shaq Calhoun --> Robert Hunt
RT Jesse Davis --> Liam Eichenberg

DE Avery Moss --> Zach Sieler
DT Davon Godchaux --> Raekwon Davis
DE Christian Wilkins

LB Samuel Equavoen --> Emmanuel Ogbah
LB Raekwon McMillan --> Elandon Roberts
LB Vince Beigel --> Andrew Van Ginkel
LB Jerome Baker

CB Xavien Howard
CB Nik Needham --> Byron Jones
S Eric Rowe --> Jevon Holland
S Bobby McCain --> Brandon Jones

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60. "Bills —> Josh Allen"
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61. "Devante Parker --> Devante Parker"
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