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Frank Longo
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"USA has 11 assists as a team, falls to Australia."


  

          

Awful iso ball, nonstop. Patty Mills torched Kemba. Just an entire team of guys who think they're better than they actually are. (Yes, including, right today, my guy Tatum. Who also was terrible.)

It's like an entire generation of players are watching Steph and Kyrie and Harden and how great they are in iso and all think, "Yes, I can also do that at that level." Yet, in addition to their HOF-level iso skills, all three of those guys also have career assist rates of over 30%, something *no one* on this Team USA has. If you're worse in iso than those three guys and a worse passer/playmaker than those three guys, stop trying to play offense like those three guys. Or at least play better defense than those three guys to try to make up the difference. But no one on this team was doing that either.

Anyway. We knew a loss would probably happen, but still so insanely inexcusable that Andrew Bogut had 4 assists for Australia... and would've led Team USA in assists. Pass the goddamn ball.

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Larry Brown Jr gotta get them to "play the right way".
Aug 24th 2019
1
If they were always planning to run iso nonstop and not play defense...
Aug 24th 2019
2
Free Kemba
Aug 24th 2019
3
You think these 2 things may be related?
Aug 24th 2019
6
The Spurs are famous for all iso offense and no defense?
Aug 24th 2019
7
      No, but Pop's nagging about playing his system hurts this team.
Aug 24th 2019
8
the curse of crapping on Captain America
Aug 24th 2019
4
The End
Aug 24th 2019
5
This whole tournament is such garbage, FIBA has its head up its ass
Aug 25th 2019
9
its probably intentionally done so most of the top USA players...
Aug 26th 2019
11
      On the surface that makes a little sense but nah, not at all
Aug 26th 2019
16
           I think a lot of people abroad and here were tired of seem the US men...
Aug 27th 2019
19
                RE: I think a lot of people abroad and here were tired of *seeing* the.....
Aug 29th 2019
21
Delly Dogg makin em mad again!
Aug 26th 2019
10
that roster really is trash tho lol, Joe Harris is starting, dude is...
Aug 26th 2019
12
Harris *did* lead the NBA in 3-point shooting last year, to be fair.
Aug 26th 2019
13
      I don't disagree, at first I was like "how the fuck is he starting?"
Aug 26th 2019
14
Why doesn't the US develop a National Team?
Aug 26th 2019
15
Nice idea but out of what talent pool?
Aug 26th 2019
17
because Nike can't sell USA bball colorways/gear like that.
Aug 27th 2019
20
No Kentucky players? Don’t care.
Aug 26th 2019
18
Glazed donut face ass scrubs gone home.
Sep 11th 2019
22
A quality reminder that Kemba is easily a tier below.
Sep 11th 2019
23
they didn’t accomplish anything with Kyrie anyway though
Sep 11th 2019
28
      Last year’s Celtics “disaster” was better than every Kemba season.
Sep 11th 2019
30
           Celtics were loaded, Charlotte hasn’t been loaded since 95
Sep 11th 2019
34
                Then we agree!
Sep 11th 2019
36
                Loaded with one all-star and one nigga capable of scoring and easy 25
Sep 11th 2019
38
<dancing emoji>
Sep 11th 2019
24
wow pathetic L today
Sep 11th 2019
25
Awful
Sep 11th 2019
26
I'm not surprised at all, this team was doomed from the start...
Sep 11th 2019
27
FRANK NTILIKINA +22 slaying the USA on 9/11 should be illegal!!!
Sep 11th 2019
29
NOPE! Shoulda HAD MELO! BWAHAHAHAHAH
Sep 11th 2019
31
This is a fair take.
Sep 11th 2019
32
      This was a stellar response.
Sep 11th 2019
33
           No, I'm being flat out serious.
Sep 11th 2019
35
                this team wasn't "constructed" at all, it was basically whomever they...
Sep 11th 2019
37
                but Joe is *perfect* for a certain type of team!
Sep 11th 2019
40
                     Truth is right, though. This team wasn't "constructed."
Sep 12th 2019
41
                the question of wtf brook lopez was on the roster for
Sep 11th 2019
39
HOLD UP!!! Does POPOVICH get NO BLAME!?!?!?!
Sep 12th 2019
42
^^^^this is what I'm waiting for
Sep 12th 2019
45
These chumps were down 32-7 after the first?? Inexcusable
Sep 12th 2019
43
man i gotta watch that and see wtf happened
Sep 12th 2019
44
Same, definitely would like to see how that happened
Sep 12th 2019
47
POPOVICH GETS NO BLAME!?!?
Sep 12th 2019
46
      Hell yea he gets some too.
Sep 12th 2019
48
      pop is too busy complaining about 3 pointers.
Sep 12th 2019
49
      Teflon Don, let Doc had been the coach tho
Sep 12th 2019
50
           If Doc had coached?!! "This team isn't strategic enough..."
Sep 13th 2019
51

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1. "Larry Brown Jr gotta get them to "play the right way"."
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2. "If they were always planning to run iso nonstop and not play defense..."
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... then it wouldn't have hurt to sign Melo.

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3. "Free Kemba"
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Pop has to loosen the reigns on Kemba and stop this Spurs bullshit. He isn't coaching the San Antonio Spurs... This loss is a direct result of San Antonio Spurs philosophy. That fact and most importantly all of the superstars pulling out.

  

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6. "You think these 2 things may be related?"
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>This loss
>is a direct result of San Antonio Spurs philosophy.

>That fact
>and most importantly all of the superstars pulling out.

  

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Frank Longo
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7. "The Spurs are famous for all iso offense and no defense?"
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News to me.

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8. "No, but Pop's nagging about playing his system hurts this team."
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Let Kemba go out there and play his full game. The Spurs systems results in close games. That fact along with Patty Mills getting hot doomed us this game.

  

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4. "the curse of crapping on Captain America"
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5. "The End"
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Just an
>entire team of guys who think they're better than they
>actually are. (Yes, including, right today, my guy Tatum. Who
>also was terrible.)
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9. "This whole tournament is such garbage, FIBA has its head up its ass"
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This World Cup is going to make the last World Cup of Hockey and the Copa America look like fucking marquee events.

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY GAMES? How do they expect the top talent to sign on for a whole goddamn summer of exhibitions and tournaments and ridiculous travel? Whoever thought of this should be drawn and quartered.

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11. "its probably intentionally done so most of the top USA players..."
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won't compete.

>This World Cup is going to make the last World Cup of Hockey
>and the Copa America look like fucking marquee events.
>
>WHY ARE THERE SO MANY GAMES? How do they expect the top talent
>to sign on for a whole goddamn summer of exhibitions and
>tournaments and ridiculous travel? Whoever thought of this
>should be drawn and quartered.

  

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16. "On the surface that makes a little sense but nah, not at all"
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The sting is being felt more by Canada and Australia because their top guys aren't there and unlike the U.S. they don't have a mile-long line of NBA-level replacements to choose from. I think some of the smaller but still formidable programs make out OK like Serbia and Greece--they get Jokic and Giannis, for now--but they are still not winning anything, especially Greece. Also why would FIBA intentionally want LESS talent and marquee names? They want people to attend and make money. Who wins is not all that relevant either, the main thing is qualifying and it's pretty much a mortal lock that the U.S. qualifies (and again why would FIBA want the best team with most of the best players out of the Olympics?).

The whole thing is watered down by this unreasonable schedule.

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19. "I think a lot of people abroad and here were tired of seem the US men..."
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dominate every year, they games being more competitive might actually boost ticked sales.

Other countries will be excited to be able to say they beat the US even if it was our JV squad.

  

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21. "RE: I think a lot of people abroad and here were tired of *seeing* the....."
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US men...

>dominate every year, they games being more competitive might
>actually boost ticked sales.
>
>Other countries will be excited to be able to say they beat
>the US even if it was our JV squad.

  

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10. "Delly Dogg makin em mad again!"
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12. "that roster really is trash tho lol, Joe Harris is starting, dude is..."
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barely a starter in the NBA lol

  

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13. "Harris *did* lead the NBA in 3-point shooting last year, to be fair."
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Considering that Donovan Mitchell and Kemba Walker are average 3-point shooters at best, it makes sense to have someone out there whose sole role is to drain open 3s. And Harris shot over 47% from 3 last year, which is... nuts.

Also, Harris hasn't started every game or anything. Pop has been trying a variety of starters. I imagine when the real tournament starts, it'll be Walker and Mitchell as the backcourt, Turner at center, and the last two are up for grabs. But if he wheels out, say, Jaylen Brown and Harrison Barnes as his other two starters, then there isn't a single guy on the floor who's known for being a "good 3-point shooter." I'd strongly consider starting either Middleton or Harris in one of those spots for exactly that reason, and then either Brown, Tatum, or Barnes as the fifth starter.

(You know who I'd pick, but I'm obviously biased, lol-- admittedly Tatum hasn't played very consistently in these prelim games, so wouldn't surprise me if he's more of a first-off-the-bench guy.)

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14. "I don't disagree, at first I was like "how the fuck is he starting?""
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then I looked at the rest of the roster and said ok lol

  

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15. "Why doesn't the US develop a National Team?"
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Instead of trying to convince NBA players to play; why not just develop a separate team that is the National Team?

This way you develop an actual team and not a bunch of players that are just going to go for theirs.


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17. "Nice idea but out of what talent pool?"
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College kids and D leaguers?

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20. "because Nike can't sell USA bball colorways/gear like that."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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18. "No Kentucky players? Don’t care."
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22. "Glazed donut face ass scrubs gone home."
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Lmao. Damn shame.

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23. "A quality reminder that Kemba is easily a tier below."
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People want to act like his big stats for bad teams will translate to him being an easy Kyrie replacement in Boston... but Kemba is who he is. The Celtics will need continued growth from Tatum and Brown to have even a prayer of contention.

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28. "they didn’t accomplish anything with Kyrie anyway though "
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30. "Last year’s Celtics “disaster” was better than every Kemba season."
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*shrug*

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34. "Celtics were loaded, Charlotte hasn’t been loaded since 95"
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Though I agree with the basic point that Kyrie > Kemba.

  

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36. "Then we agree!"
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>Though I agree with the basic point that Kyrie > Kemba.

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38. "Loaded with one all-star and one nigga capable of scoring and easy 25"
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And they happened to be the same person: Celts were overrated as fuck and if the bucks had beaten them in round one last year like they were supposed to, expirations wouldn’t have been so high for the Celts. They were trash.

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24. "<dancing emoji>"
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Ntilikina the Kemba killer, lmao

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25. "wow pathetic L today"
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27. "I'm not surprised at all, this team was doomed from the start..."
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y'all know I'm usually all in on USA Basketball but I barely paid attention to them this time and the couple of games I tried to watch I knew it was going to be bad lol.

  

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29. "FRANK NTILIKINA +22 slaying the USA on 9/11 should be illegal!!!"
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31. "NOPE! Shoulda HAD MELO! BWAHAHAHAHAH"
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32. "This is a fair take."
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If the team was going to eschew defense and play only iso ball on offense, there’s no reason *not* to take Melo. You don’t take Melo if you want strong defense or ball movement or 3-point shooting... but since this team wasn’t trying to do any of that, Melo is one of the best iso players in the last two decades. Let him come in and work.

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33. "This was a stellar response."
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I can't tell if you're trying to out troll the Troll King in Orbit_Established or if that was a serious and genuine response.

Job well done, sir.

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35. "No, I'm being flat out serious."
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Carmelo is very good at what he's good at-- an all-timer in the modern era, really. But as he's gotten older, things like his defense and his passing have taken a tumble, diminishing his value in a team construct. So I was someone arguing in the other post that I understand why teams, including teams with Melo's friends, don't want Melo on their NBA team.

But this team wasn't putting together to value any of Melo's areas of weakness. It was constructed, apparently, to do what Melo does best. And Melo has more experience than all these guys. So if you want a guy to run iso ball in international play, you honestly could do a *lot* worse than Melo. Like, Brook Lopez is a good piece if you want ball movement, pick-and-pop, 3-point shooting at a high percentage, drop coverage defense, etc... but if you're emphasizing iso ball on offense, the fuck is Brook Lopez on your roster for? Y'know?

So yeah, I know in the other thread the Melo talk got a little heated, but I think Melo is an all-timer at certain skills and a first-ballot HOF guy. Considering the flaws of this team and the construct of this team, I think it's a given that Melo belonged over some of the other guys.

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37. "this team wasn't "constructed" at all, it was basically whomever they..."
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could get to show up. I don't think anybody envisioned Joe Harris in the starting lineup.

  

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40. "but Joe is *perfect* for a certain type of team!"
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If your team revolves around ball movement, perimeter shooting, and team defense, then Joe honestly makes sense as a piece! He just makes NO sense if your creators are all iso guys.

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41. "Truth is right, though. This team wasn't "constructed." "
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So whatever that hypothetical team that Joe Harris
is one and thrives (I'm not sure it exists), this team
sure as heck isn't it

  

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39. "the question of wtf brook lopez was on the roster for"
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like, if you're not going to use him, then...

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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42. "HOLD UP!!! Does POPOVICH get NO BLAME!?!?!?!"
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45. "^^^^this is what I'm waiting for"
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43. "These chumps were down 32-7 after the first?? Inexcusable "
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44. "man i gotta watch that and see wtf happened"
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bc we won the 2nd quarter like 33-10

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47. "Same, definitely would like to see how that happened"
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>bc we won the 2nd quarter like 33-10
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46. "POPOVICH GETS NO BLAME!?!? "
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48. "Hell yea he gets some too."
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Him, Jay Wright, Kerr and whomever the hell else they have on that staff.

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49. "pop is too busy complaining about 3 pointers."
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50. "Teflon Don, let Doc had been the coach tho"
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51. "If Doc had coached?!! "This team isn't strategic enough...""
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This shit just irks me man

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