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Frank Longo
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"KAWHI AND PAUL GEORGE TO CLIPPERS?!"


  

          

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I...didn’t want him anyway?
Jul 06th 2019
1
Perfect as the first reply and perfectly punctuated. Hilarious
Jul 06th 2019
95
the Clippers team is scary
Jul 06th 2019
2
YES!!! didn't really take them serious until the dubs 1st round this yea...
Jul 06th 2019
112
Westbrook scares another away
Jul 06th 2019
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I think that's presumptuous. Now Russ prolly moving on, too.
Jul 06th 2019
104
wild
Jul 06th 2019
4
didnt see this one
Jul 06th 2019
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That explains tonight’s SoCal earth quake!
Jul 06th 2019
6
Clippers traded more for a worse player
Jul 06th 2019
7
RE: Clippers traded more for a worse player
Jul 06th 2019
49
cmon lol
Jul 06th 2019
55
I’m talking about PG
Jul 06th 2019
57
LMAO, come on.
Jul 06th 2019
99
RE: Clippers traded more for a worse player
Jul 06th 2019
111
folx gonna kill PG like they killed KD?
Jul 06th 2019
8
cmon.
Jul 06th 2019
10
name names and specify
Jul 06th 2019
14
Clippers didn't win 73 and they never had a bandwagon
Jul 06th 2019
32
The Clippers beat OKC in the playoffs in 2019? LOL
Jul 06th 2019
65
4 unprotected 1st round picks, 1 protected 1st round pick + 2 pick swaps
Jul 06th 2019
9
Gotdamb
Jul 06th 2019
12
had to be done
Jul 06th 2019
20
ImPRESTIve
Jul 06th 2019
25
man, that's what lost them Kyrie way back when, but worse
Jul 06th 2019
27
Hershel Walker-lite. But its gotta be done, not mad.
Jul 06th 2019
60
SGA is the killer part but they leveraged T Dot with Siakam
Jul 06th 2019
100
jerry fucking west.
Jul 06th 2019
11
did it again
Jul 06th 2019
15
RE: jerry fucking west.
Jul 06th 2019
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Most? You mean Chris Boussard’s bum ass and idiots that believe him?
Jul 06th 2019
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you really got it in for broussard huh?
Jul 06th 2019
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What is your problem?
Jul 06th 2019
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RE: jerry fucking west.
Jul 06th 2019
51
I got the sense there was another shoe to drop but more so with TO
Jul 06th 2019
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I’m sick. Stay in Toronto ffs. At least that makes sense
Jul 06th 2019
13
lolz. you swore clipps was out too
Jul 06th 2019
24
LMAO
Jul 06th 2019
29
The NBA will be the best it's ever been over the next 2 seasons
Jul 06th 2019
17
How could you leave out Zion?
Jul 06th 2019
23
Time to get Russ up out of OKC
Jul 06th 2019
18
Will anyone want that contract? N/m
Jul 06th 2019
28
RE: Time to get Russ up out of OKC
Jul 06th 2019
35
Yeah Russ is done in OKC....
Jul 06th 2019
38
Presti tried. Ujiri chose Siakam instead...
Jul 06th 2019
47
Siakim's 5-year arc is *waaay* better than Russ. Ujiri did right thing.
Jul 06th 2019
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That made zero sense and is turning out not to be true
Jul 06th 2019
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zach lowe had howard beck on his podcast a while back
Jul 06th 2019
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Russ for Wiggins straight up
Jul 06th 2019
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BEST OFFSEASON. EVER!!!!!!!!! WOW
Jul 06th 2019
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Damn...
Jul 06th 2019
21
makes perfect sense. modern day jordan and pippen.
Jul 06th 2019
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can't say I saw the Paul George part coming
Jul 06th 2019
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damn...a lot to digest when you wake up thinking...
Jul 06th 2019
30
so AD basically gave danny green 4 million dollars.
Jul 06th 2019
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OH ME, OH MY!!!
Jul 06th 2019
33
Did OKC get more for PG than NO got for AD?
Jul 06th 2019
34
I’m happy for Doc.
Jul 06th 2019
36
Sixers want that smoke
Jul 06th 2019
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WE WANT ALL THE FUCKING SMOKE
Jul 06th 2019
103
Goes to show these “experts” & “insiders” don’t know shit lol....
Jul 06th 2019
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so from what Woj is saying...
Jul 06th 2019
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RE: so from what Woj is saying...
Jul 06th 2019
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So much better in LA.
Jul 06th 2019
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I don’t think PG was ever going to Toronto lol
Jul 06th 2019
44
Woj also saying that Toronto was never really able to pull it off.
Jul 06th 2019
105
So..Sam wrestled into the night..
Jul 06th 2019
42
OKC wanted Siakam included in that package and that wasn’t...
Jul 06th 2019
46
That was the right move. Siakim > Russ for a team that wants to win.
Jul 06th 2019
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Yep...what I posted way down below seems to clear things up
Jul 06th 2019
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Man.....
Jul 06th 2019
48
Question to the draft pick experts....
Jul 06th 2019
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RE: Question to the draft pick experts....
Jul 06th 2019
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RE: Question to the draft pick experts....
Jul 06th 2019
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RE: Question to the draft pick experts....
Jul 06th 2019
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Unprotected 1st rounders have a lot of value these days in the NBA
Jul 06th 2019
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RE: Unprotected 1st rounders have a lot of value these days in the NBA
Jul 06th 2019
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Unprotected picks are valued now
Jul 08th 2019
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RE: KAWHI AND PAUL GEORGE TO CLIPPERS?!
Jul 06th 2019
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Why is everyone obsessed with the insiders being wrong?
Jul 06th 2019
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Because it's an easy, accessible talking point
Jul 06th 2019
67
To me it’s just funny that people take them seriously
Jul 06th 2019
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shit, i don't even blame the insiders
Jul 06th 2019
69
The one national voice worthwhile on Kawhi is Cris Carter
Jul 06th 2019
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yup
Jul 06th 2019
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its kinda funny how the pundits initially all had it right.
Jul 06th 2019
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Cause Cris Carter trained everyone when they were kids. Ha
Jul 06th 2019
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I dunno about CC and anyone else. But he's been on point with Klaw
Jul 06th 2019
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Right he had him going back to Toronto on a 2yr deal lol
Jul 06th 2019
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it came down to a late hail mary trade with paul george.
Jul 06th 2019
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Kawhi and his people basically played everybody to get what he...
Jul 06th 2019
84
Because Broussard memes are hilarious
Jul 06th 2019
92
Clippers are gonna be a defensive MONSTER
Jul 06th 2019
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as an nba fan i just wanna say that the playoffs & offseason were great.
Jul 06th 2019
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are we not entertained???
Jul 06th 2019
80
winners and losers:
Jul 06th 2019
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didn't see that coming...
Jul 06th 2019
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Truth be told...
Jul 06th 2019
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Oh we care about that now?
Jul 06th 2019
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That's not tampering. At all.
Jul 06th 2019
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nm
Jul 06th 2019
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      Take a moment and think really, really hard.
Jul 06th 2019
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Who would be punished exactly? He was an FA.
Jul 06th 2019
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I always respect a free agent’s choice but the process was in bad fait...
Jul 06th 2019
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Damn...
Jul 06th 2019
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He played the game he was allowed to play.
Jul 06th 2019
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He did and it went into the territory of bad faith with the AD delay req...
Jul 07th 2019
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Lmao.
Jul 06th 2019
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RIF. I didn’t say anything about tampering
Jul 07th 2019
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Wed Jul-03-19 04:45 AM:
Jul 06th 2019
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You were on it but partially right and partially wrong
Jul 07th 2019
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Nah lol. He played the game to the fullest extent allowed
Jul 06th 2019
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in so many words, you mad.
Jul 06th 2019
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What tis thine reason thou art mad, bro??
Jul 06th 2019
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LOL what happened to this dude?
Jul 07th 2019
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Thanks for the advice Laura Ingraham
Jul 07th 2019
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RE: I always respect a free agent’s choice but the process was in bad ...
Jul 07th 2019
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      I called out those two like I did this one as well
Jul 07th 2019
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More breakdown from a Toronto guy...
Jul 06th 2019
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Breh even had a new color way on deck...
Jul 06th 2019
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I’ve been saying it was Clippers all along lol
Jul 06th 2019
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Yep, when I saw this come out almost immediately
Jul 07th 2019
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RE: Yep, when I saw this come out almost immediately
Jul 07th 2019
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if NB is smart they had the other 2 ready as well
Jul 07th 2019
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      lol, right, people act like they couldn't have had a Raps design prepped
Jul 07th 2019
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           It would be irresponsible if they didn’t
Jul 07th 2019
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           Shit I have multiple NikeID colorways in my car RIGHT now nm
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                Lol
Jul 07th 2019
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the people who obsessed over insider leaks and rumors
Jul 08th 2019
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Yep
Jul 08th 2019
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am I the only one that feels like the Clippers are slightly overrated?
Aug 05th 2019
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That supporting cast needs a lot of work.
Aug 05th 2019
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they're not a sure thing.
Aug 05th 2019
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Same guys took 2 games from Warriors in playoffs.
Aug 06th 2019
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2 of the top 4 players from that team are gone, yes the 2 they replaced....
Aug 07th 2019
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      Gallo was garbage in the playoffs and kinda iffy overall.
Aug 08th 2019
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           where did I say that they "aren't good"? I'm just saying they have...
Aug 09th 2019
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                It's an exceptionally crowded field but yeah they are the favorites
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They return starters from a playoff team. Who else does that w/ this mov...
Aug 08th 2019
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      I felt like that team overachieved last year, nobody expected them to...
Aug 09th 2019
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           They overachieved two years in a row. So it's not a fluke + elite coachi...
Aug 09th 2019
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                RE: They overachieved two years in a row. So it's not a fluke + elite co...
Aug 09th 2019
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                     I mean not really, PG has been very been durable outside of one injury
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                          PG was hurt at the end of the season last year and had offseason...
Aug 09th 2019
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                               all that matters is games missed.
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Ryan M
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1. "I...didn’t want him anyway?"
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95. "Perfect as the first reply and perfectly punctuated. Hilarious"
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or, if serious, an expression of denial we haven't seen since the lakers were last fading from relevance

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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Kungset
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2. "the Clippers team is scary"
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112. "YES!!! didn't really take them serious until the dubs 1st round this yea..."
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damb.

they are gonna be a prollem. pat beverly and lou williams essentially got two lead dogs to play off of?




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3. "Westbrook scares another away"
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Scrubby ass weirdo ass gunner.

  

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104. "I think that's presumptuous. Now Russ prolly moving on, too."
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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weaponry
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4. "wild"
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5. "didnt see this one"
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whoa

  

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6. "That explains tonight’s SoCal earth quake!"
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Coincidence, I think not.

  

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7. "Clippers traded more for a worse player "
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'19-'20 LA Lakers

James. Davis. Kuzma. Howard. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Green. Cook. Bradley. McGee. Dudley. Caruso...

  

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49. "RE: Clippers traded more for a worse player "
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A top 3 MVP candidate? Sure...lol

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55. "cmon lol"
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Kawhi's Finals MVPs and Davis's playoff appearances are exactly equal

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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57. "I’m talking about PG"
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'19-'20 LA Lakers

James. Davis. Kuzma. Howard. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Green. Cook. Bradley. McGee. Dudley. Caruso...

  

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99. "LMAO, come on."
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Even if I were to concede that the Clippers gave up more--debatable as with so many pick swaps we don't know where these picks will end up or how the prospects will fare--the Clippers got a lot more back. If they didn't acquire George, they wouldn't have been able to acquire Leonard. This was the same thinking behind the Lakers giving up a lot for Davis, really, figuring that this would make them more attractive for a third FA. In the Clippers sense, it actually worked. So they gave up a lot and got TWO great players, not just one, whereas the Lakers got only AD for their haul and now whatever scraps are on the FA market after a week.

Now, did the Clippers actually give up more? They gave up first first rounders with some potential swaps involved (none of which are likely to come into play). The Lakers gave up three with two swaps (at least one of which may very well come into play) and one of those picks was No. 4 overall. It is unlikely than any of the Clippers or Heat's picks are that high, given that the Clippers just opened a four-year window of contention and the Heat are in an aggressive position as well (they are courting Russy now, just got J.G. Buckets, etc).

Then there are the roster players. SGA and Ingram, if healthy, are pretty equivalent prospects. Two young players or one expiring deal, well, I think to New Orleans the two young players are worth more, to OKC it's debatable, I guess.

So again, maybe the Clippers gave up more, maybe they didn't. What we can be damn sure if that they got a lot more back. Without George, they don't get Leonard, and they got both here. The Lakers were rewarded for years of ineptitude, but not as handsomely as you'd hope. There is some justice in the universe for the Clippers, who have been a model franchise under their new ownership/management (and have a great coach), and didn't deserve to come up empty handed. Now the teams are pretty even, too, with the Lakers have some star power edge (but more injury questions) and the Clippers have a stronger supporting cast. Finally this is a legit, meaningful rivalry. That's good for the game.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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111. "RE: Clippers traded more for a worse player "
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The trade was essentially for PG & Kawhi.
They weren’t getting Kawhi unless they got PG.

  

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8. "folx gonna kill PG like they killed KD?"
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Or we ready to tell the truth.. .lol
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10. "cmon."
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14. "name names and specify"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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32. "Clippers didn't win 73 and they never had a bandwagon"
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and the Clippers gave EVERYTHING to OKC. Everything

  

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65. "The Clippers beat OKC in the playoffs in 2019? LOL"
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LMAO




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9. "4 unprotected 1st round picks, 1 protected 1st round pick + 2 pick swaps"
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along with Gallinari and SGA for Paul George? wow that is a haul

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12. "Gotdamb"
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20. "had to be done"
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kawhi wasn't coming without a costar. he told them, get PG and I'll sign. so they did what they had to.

GREAT business for OKC tho. hilarious that there are still folx who hate on presti.

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25. "ImPRESTIve"
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27. "man, that's what lost them Kyrie way back when, but worse"
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but hey, they got two elite talents RIGHT TODAY

sucks that SGA was part of that deal but he had to be. him being on that team would have made it Super Team status in a way.

Pat Bev is partying

  

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60. "Hershel Walker-lite. But its gotta be done, not mad. "
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n/m

  

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ConcreteCharlie
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100. "SGA is the killer part but they leveraged T Dot with Siakam"
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Even though Toronto didn't have the assets to really make the deal happen let alone a bigger deal, they used that to drive up the offer from the Clips.

Let's face it most of those picks will be in the 20s, especially with Miami getting aggressive and seldom staying down for long. Gallo was expendable AF and even though he had trade value that doesn't weigh much. The SGA part is the tough pill to swallow, especially with Lou Williams getting old.

That said, let's face it, this is not "a haul for PG," this is a haul for PG *and* Kawhi. Had to be done.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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11. "jerry fucking west."
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*nobody* saw this coming.

shit...most in the media were telling us the clippers were the only team *out* of the running lol.

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15. "did it again"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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16. "RE: jerry fucking west."
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Sat Jul-06-19 02:27 AM by melmag

  

          

https://giphy.com/gifs/laclippers-nba-la-clippers-cliers-TLIW9BbV4AQtwWLqEH

  

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45. "Most? You mean Chris Boussard’s bum ass and idiots that believe him?"
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59. "you really got it in for broussard huh?"
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stephen a, jalen rose (99% toronto), colin cowherd, etc all had it down to a 2 or 1 team race that didnt include the clippers.

all of the news in the past few days revolved around the lakers and toronto. lets not act brand new here.

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64. "What is your problem? "
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51. "RE: jerry fucking west."
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!

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101. "I got the sense there was another shoe to drop but more so with TO"
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I thought he was applying pressure on Toronto to land another big name. Did not see this coming other than thinking "how the fuck did the Clips position themselves so well to come up with nothing?" Even that wasn't a huge deal because they'd enter next summer with just as much cap space potentially. Incredible that everyone kept so fucking quiet, too, wow.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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13. "I’m sick. Stay in Toronto ffs. At least that makes sense"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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24. "lolz. you swore clipps was out too "
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gotta stop listening to broussard, homie.

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29. "LMAO"
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This makes perfect sense to me

  

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17. "The NBA will be the best it's ever been over the next 2 seasons"
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Giannis
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Fucking love it

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23. "How could you leave out Zion?"
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But yeah, it's gonna be gooooood.

  

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18. "Time to get Russ up out of OKC"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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28. "Will anyone want that contract? N/m"
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35. "RE: Time to get Russ up out of OKC"
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That seems to be the plan

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38. "Yeah Russ is done in OKC...."
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How do you bounce back from that?

  

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47. "Presti tried. Ujiri chose Siakam instead..."
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2844408-woj-raptors-rejected-russell-westbrook-paul-george-for-pascal-siakam-trade

Dude went from genius GM to foil in less than a month.

“Before sending Paul George to the Los Angeles Clippers in a shocking deal, the Oklahoma City Thunder reportedly held talks with the Toronto Raptors focused on George and Russell Westbrook.

According to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, Thunder general manager Sam Presti offered George and Westbrook to Toronto for a package centered around forward Pascal Siakam, but the Raptors declined the offer.

Instead, OKC sent George to the Clippers for multiple first-round picks, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Danilo Gallinari, per Wojnarowski.”

--- praying for peace, love, and power

  

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61. "Siakim's 5-year arc is *waaay* better than Russ. Ujiri did right thing."
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Ujiri has built a champion on a lone star and hard working
castoffs

Russ is an albatross contract and a ball dominant guy who
can't effectively play second fiddle to anyone. He legit
makes teams worse.

Siakim is just scratching the surface. He might have a Shawn
Marion career (which is an incredible career)




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106. "That made zero sense and is turning out not to be true"
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Think about it, for that to have worked the Raptors would have needed to trade a package similar to the Clippers for PG alone--so we are talking multiple firsts and Siakam and a roster player--and then another big-ticket roster player and medium-ticket roster player (salary match) for Russ *and* more futures.

Basically it would have been their three expiring deals (Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka) plus Siakam (potentially some other filler contracts one way or the other) and many, many draft picks, more than five as that's what it took to get PG alone. They don't own picks from other orgs like the Clippers did.

It just seems inconceivable to me that even with Siakam in the deal they could have come up with enough for both stars. Woj is saying as much now on Twitter, that they were just included to drive up the LAC offer so that the Clippers weren't negotiating against themselves.

Also, let's not forget, Kawhi is a guy who is a SoCal guy and has had mutual interest with the Clips for a while. Last season aside, this is where he'd prefer to be.

Toronto can hardly complain though because they got a fucking TITLE out of this and knew they were positioned brilliantly for a rebuild if he left.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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66. "zach lowe had howard beck on his podcast a while back"
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or maybe it was bobby marks, i forget.

anyways. the subject of "worst contract in the nba" arose. both guys, lowe and marksbeck, had discussed the topic independently with execs from multiple teams.

outside of wall (the obvious #1) russ was pretty much the consensus pick. 38, 41, 44, then a player option for 47 (!) in his age-34 season. plus the standard 15% trade kicker.

i don't know that he's tradeable, at least not without okc attaching hella assets.

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97. "Russ for Wiggins straight up"
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No

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19. "BEST OFFSEASON. EVER!!!!!!!!! WOW"
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21. "Damn..."
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22. "makes perfect sense. modern day jordan and pippen."
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can't even front: kawhi has become one of my favorite players over the last few years, for a number of reasons, but if he'd gone to the lakers, to be the #3 on a superteam, my opinion of him would've changed drastically.

you can't win a fmvp, after one of the greatest playoff runs in modern history, and then immediately sign up to be james fucking worthy.

he's better than that. given his personality and character this move makes way more sense.

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26. "can't say I saw the Paul George part coming"
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no one saw it coming.

I wanted him to stay in Toronto.

But that basically makes Philly the best team in the East even if they don't have the conference's best player (Milwaukee) now, so I'm not mad at this outcome as I could have been

now I'm REALLY glad that the Raptors won.

NO 3PEAT
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30. "damn...a lot to digest when you wake up thinking..."
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Kawhi might decide today...then look at your phone and see that he did, but PG is gone, lol. Welp...shit don’t stop. I was a fan of PG before he ever played in OKC...so good luck with the shoulders, bro. You’re back in Cali, now.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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31. "so AD basically gave danny green 4 million dollars."
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yeesh.

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33. "OH ME, OH MY!!!"
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And the Clips should still have some money to play with.

  

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34. "Did OKC get more for PG than NO got for AD?"
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36. "I’m happy for Doc."
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37. "Sixers want that smoke"
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103. "WE WANT ALL THE FUCKING SMOKE"
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WE WILL SHRINK THE COURT ON YOUR ASSES WITH OUR ROSTER OF BEEFY MOTHERFUCKERS.

Jokes (kinda) aside, this is such a great outcome. Kawhi leaves the East but not for the Lakers. The Sixers and every other team worth a shit in the East (ummm, Indy and Milwaukee?) have to be thrilled by this development.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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39. "Goes to show these “experts” & “insiders” don’t know shit lol...."
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none them saw this coming

  

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40. "so from what Woj is saying..."
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looks like Presti was working The Clips and Raps to see who could deliver the best package for PG...Clips had more. So...KL and PG wanted to roll together...and it could have been in Toronto?? Damn.

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41. "RE: so from what Woj is saying..."
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watching that now too.. that would have been odd, they wouldn't have liked it in Toronto at all. Makes much more sense in LA

  

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43. "So much better in LA. "
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44. "I don’t think PG was ever going to Toronto lol"
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105. "Woj also saying that Toronto was never really able to pull it off."
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The fit was better with OKC/LAC all along, they just leveraged the Raps.

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42. "So..Sam wrestled into the night.."
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leveraging the Raptors and Clippers against one another, after PG asked for a trade. At one point he offered Toronto Russ and PG...Ujiri balked. Balmer was worried that Toronto was gonna outdo him for PG, which would have meant Kawhi stayed in Canada...so he offered Sam the motherlode...and he accepted. LOL...NBA Action...it's FAAAAANTASTIC!!

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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46. "OKC wanted Siakam included in that package and that wasn’t..."
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happening

  

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62. "That was the right move. Siakim > Russ for a team that wants to win. "
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Not even close

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108. "Yep...what I posted way down below seems to clear things up"
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...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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48. "Man....."
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...I got nothing....

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50. "Question to the draft pick experts...."
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How valuable will those picks be for OKC? Beyond the Heat pick that was traded away in that deal, how high will those other picks be? Since they belong to the Clippers will those picks translate to top 10 given that they will be a playoff team?

Just trying to figure this out.....

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53. "RE: Question to the draft pick experts...."
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Yeah, I don't really see OKC fans happy today but will defer to Dstl1. They go to rebuild mode now but won't be contenders for years again. Sounds like Russ is on trade block now, saw a few teams mentioned as possibilities including Knicks, Heat, Bulls and even Bucks which I don't see.

  

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54. "RE: Question to the draft pick experts...."
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The picks OKC got from the Clips themselves aren't that valuable if the Clips stay in contention in the next 5 years. There's no reason to believe that they won't but it is the NBA and these dudes are worse than a bunch of teenage girls with their crying and bullshit. They leverage these huge moves and then get mad and flip the board over.

The Heat picks are the most valuable in the deal. The first one is a 2021 picks that is unprotected. The Heat won't be that good 2 years from now. They also get the 2023 Heat pick which is lottery protected. Not great but ok. The idea now is to get to take as many swings as possible which makes sense.

Dream with your eyes open.....

  

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74. "RE: Question to the draft pick experts...."
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>The Heat picks are the most valuable in the deal. The first
>one is a 2021 picks that is unprotected. The Heat won't be
>that good 2 years from now. They also get the 2023 Heat pick
>which is lottery protected. Not great but ok. The idea now is
>to get to take as many swings as possible which makes sense.


This ^^^^ is the big takeaway I got. Those Heat picks might be the only valuable chips....

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56. "Unprotected 1st rounders have a lot of value these days in the NBA"
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even as chips. Even for good teams-- cause you just never know what might happen. Both Kawhi and PG have missed seasons recently. One of them goes down in any of the next few years and the pick becomes more valuable. Presti also has a good track record of drafting well so that should help.

I mean we had a recent case of a team pawning future for stars in the Brooklyn case. KG and PP were in a much different place, but lets not forget how many years not having those picks burned Brooklyn before this Marks fix job. He fixed the team by not going big, but by acquiring smaller chips and middle round draft picks: drafting well and then developing players.

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58. "RE: Unprotected 1st rounders have a lot of value these days in the NBA"
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>even as chips. Even for good teams-- cause you just never
>know what might happen. Both Kawhi and PG have missed seasons
>recently. One of them goes down in any of the next few years
>and the pick becomes more valuable. Presti also has a good
>track record of drafting well so that should help.
>
>I mean we had a recent case of a team pawning future for stars
>in the Brooklyn case. KG and PP were in a much different
>place, but lets not forget how many years not having those
>picks burned Brooklyn before this Marks fix job. He fixed the
>team by not going big, but by acquiring smaller chips and
>middle round draft picks: drafting well and then developing
>players.


Interesting.....Good points. For me the only thing is I don't think those guys will have any injuries that will keep them out for long periods at a time. Doc and the Logo are going to load manage Kawhi like a boss....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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128. "Unprotected picks are valued now"
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the league is volatile and in any given year a team could finish outside the playoffs and inside the lotto. between a lack of protection and pick swap potential, that's generally good value. but here i think they got picks from two teams that are trending very much in the right direction.

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52. "RE: KAWHI AND PAUL GEORGE TO CLIPPERS?!"
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I like that teams are saying ‘fuck it..let’s do something! Fuck being the Hawks. We’re gonna go for the win or we’re going to be Phoenix.’

  

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63. "Why is everyone obsessed with the insiders being wrong? "
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All of the info that they heard *could* have been 100% right.

Human beings change their minds.

I hate how that ends up being what gets talked about

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67. "Because it's an easy, accessible talking point"
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No effort or critical thinking required.

Simple is as simple does.

  

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68. "To me it’s just funny that people take them seriously"
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69. "shit, i don't even blame the insiders"
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all those hours of airtime on espn and fs1 aren't going to fill themselves, are they?

no, i blame the folx who still believe the manure that broussard et al continue to shovel. i mean, how many fucking times does a guy have to get it wrong before ppl wise up?

all the local toronto beat guys, all the clipper beat guys, the folks who are as plugged in w these teams as possible, they've all maintained throughout this entire Kawhi thing that he and his ppl run a tight ship and that *no* information was coming out. like, zero. and that all the stuff we were hearing from the national "scoop" guys was horseshit and that nobody knows anything.

ppl believe what they want to believe tho. the big media companies obv had a vested interest in KL ending up on the lakers. that's the biggest "story", the best most profitable outcome for them, so of course that's the narrative they were going to push. speak it into existence, never mind the facts. i doubt the lakers were ever the frontrunner or in serious consideration. there was never a moment, not for me at least, where that circus seemed on-brand for a low key guy like kawhi. that's just the story that "they" saturated us with, because that's what "they" wanted us talking about.

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72. "The one national voice worthwhile on Kawhi is Cris Carter "
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I started catching his reporting on Klaw during the Spurs drama. He's clearly got a direct line on the situation and has always reported on him without the bombast of the rest of these guys.

That was crystal clear over this last weak.

  

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76. "yup"
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CC has the plug thru big bro. butch and kawhi are actually tight. everything else is noise.

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81. "its kinda funny how the pundits initially all had it right."
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damn near everyone unanimously had him going to the clippers at one point. they were the clear favorites...even after the chip.

but then everyone backed off their predictions based on how things were developing among their sources. maybe that was the point?

i remember a lil while ago that a few folks were saying kawhi and his team valued privacy and they could have been intentionally doing things to see if those organizations leaked them to the press (like the lakers and magic johnson meeting request...drake presentation...etc).

clippers were by far the quietest organization. we really didnt get any info from that side other than them having a meeting set up.

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71. "Cause Cris Carter trained everyone when they were kids. Ha"
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And Nick Wright came out of nowhere but he knows everyone

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73. "I dunno about CC and anyone else. But he's been on point with Klaw"
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His actual reporting bears that out.

  

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85. "Right he had him going back to Toronto on a 2yr deal lol"
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75. "it came down to a late hail mary trade with paul george."
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a player who nobody even knew was available to be put on the block (and really didnt express any intention of leaving until like a day or so ago i think).

where clips had to give up an unprecedented array of draft picks to make it work.

the entire tide most likely changed in a matter of hours.

its not unimaginable that the clippers were out of contention (or at least a distant 3rd option) until they pulled that last second rabbit out of the hat.

people are acting like kawhis mind was made up from the gate.

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84. "Kawhi and his people basically played everybody to get what he..."
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wanted, he was never going back to Toronto and he was never going to the Lakers to be Lebron’s sidekick.

He was going to the Clippers all along but despite the hype he knew he needed another star and he got one.

  

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92. "Because Broussard memes are hilarious"
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70. "Clippers are gonna be a defensive MONSTER"
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77. "as an nba fan i just wanna say that the playoffs & offseason were great."
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80. "are we not entertained???"
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spectacular theater. silver's got the best package on the corner right now.

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78. "winners and losers:"
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7 winners and 4 losers from the night the Clippers changed the entire NBA
Kawhi Leonard AND Paul George? Who could have possibly seen this coming.

By Matt Ellentuck on July 6, 2019 7:30 am

A bombshell broke the NBA late Friday night with both Kawhi Leonard and Paul George joining the Los Angeles Clippers. In spurning the Los Angeles Lakers and Toronto Raptors, Leonard will join George and form a rivalry for the ages in L.A., with LeBron James and Anthony Davis sharing the Staples Center court for the Lakers. The Clippers might be the favorite to win the 2020 title.

The Oklahoma City Thunder returned a record-setting coup of assets in the deal for George, last season’s third-place finisher in MVP voting. Per The New York Times’ Marc Stein, the Thunder will receive

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Danilo Gallinari
Three unprotected first-round picks via the Clippers (2022, 2024, 2026)
One unprotected first-round pick via the Heat (2021)
One protected first-round pick via the Heat (2023, 1-14)
Two pick swaps with the Clippers (2023, 2025).

Gilgeous-Alexander is a coveted asset who made the All-Rookie second team last season, while Gallinari was L.A.’s second-leading scorer behind Lou Williams.

OKC only parted with George because he requested for a trade, per Woj. Leonard coerced George to make the move and will sign a max four-year, $142 million deal.

Let’s unpack what this means for all parties involved — and everyone else.

Winners

Los Angeles Clippers
After emerging as a hard-nosed, competitive group of overachievers last year, the Clippers have quickly become the real deal. Leonard sought not to join or form a superteam, but to bring in a co-star. With George, the Clippers have the perfect opportunity to suit his needs. With player depth, cap space and a home both Leonard and George sought since last summer, the Clippers played their post-Lob City rebuild to perfection.

L.A. gave up a fortune to get their guys, but George and Leonard are two of the best in the game. And though they gave up Gilgeous-Alexander, the Clippers kept Patrick Beverley, Landry Shamet, Lou Williams, and Montrezl Harrell while adding Maurice Harkless. That’s a championship core.

Oklahoma City Thunder
The Thunder lost a franchise piece and their chances at a title (even if it was slim) to enter a rebuild it never wanted to enter.

But at the very least, they’ve set a new industry standard for losing a superstar talent in-his-prime. Just last month, The Pelicans received Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, the No. 4 pick in the 2019 draft, a top-eight protected 2021 pick, a 2023 pick-swap, and an unprotected 2024 or 2025 pick for Anthony Davis.

And yet, the Clippers haul was greater. Gilgeous-Alexander is a terrific prospect, Gallinari is a solid player, the two Miami picks have the potential to be very high, and the Thunder now control the Clippers’ entire draft for the next seven years.

Kawhi Leonard
The hero of Toronto will still be welcomed when he returns, but now Leonard gets what he wants — to win in L.A.

He didn’t sell his soul to the Lakers, either. This is Kawhi’s team.

Paul George
George’s OKC Thunder team fell short in its second iteration, and there was little reason to believe Year 3 would’ve been much different. Now George gets to play in the city he’s been linked to for years, alongside debatably the best player in the world. Plot twist: that’s the Clippers.

Parity in the NBA
For the first time in a long time, the NBA has no superteam. Had Kawhi signed with the Lakers, the league would be in a different place. For now, the Nuggets, Jazz, Lakers, Clippers, Bucks, Rockets, Warriors, 76ers, Nets, and more are in contention.

Danny Green
He’s going to the Lakers now for two years and $30 million, a payout only possible because Leonard chose the Clippers.

Magic Johnson
This wasn’t his fault.

Losers

Los Angeles Lakers
You hate to see this, huh. The Lakers lost out on dozens of potential suitors in a chase for a third star they couldn’t land. Now, they’ll have to fill out a roster with the paltry mix of free agents still remaining, and the Clippers have just become their biggest threat.

In the moments following Kawhi’s decision, L.A. re-signed Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and JaVale McGee. Yikes.

At least they have Anthony Davis.

Toronto Raptors, kind of
They’re a loser because they lost Leonard. But they achieved their ultimate goal in winning the title, and they can’t fault anyone along the way. Their process was complete. It just wasn’t made to last.

Russell Westbrook
Two teams were always going to lose out because of Leonard’s decision, but Westbrook’s wasn’t supposed to join the mix. Now, Westbrook’s Thunder are in a forced rebuild, and Russ is left standing after TWO disgruntled superstars have departed the city on sour terms.

Hmm.

The reporters who pretended they knew a single thing about Leonard’s plan
Narrator: They did not.

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79. "didn't see that coming..."
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..but i can't front, its a brilliant move (even with the risks involved).

even with that many picks AND players.

Jerry Fucking West.

I tip my hat to Presti & West for having the balls to pull the trigger.

But don't think for a second that this shit is a wrap.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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82. "Truth be told..."
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shouldn’t Kawhi be banned from signing with the Clippers?

That is tampering correct? How are you going to call a player on another team that’s under contract, then have him push for a trade to play with you?

The biggest fight that you will ever have in life is with yourself.

  

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83. "Oh we care about that now?"
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Bwahahaaaaa

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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86. "That's not tampering. At all. "
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>shouldn’t Kawhi be banned from signing with the Clippers?

No.

>That is tampering correct?

That is incorrect.

>How are you going to call a player
>on another team that’s under contract, then have him push
>for a trade to play with you?

Not sure. Kawhi may have used voice commands, or his handset, or Uncle Dennis The Gawd made a call to PG's agent

Who knows.

What we know is that one player talking to another player isn't tampering. particularly since of those players wasn't even signed.

  

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87. "nm"
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89. "Take a moment and think really, really hard."
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And try that again.

  

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102. "Who would be punished exactly? He was an FA."
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Furthermore tampering, as far as I know, is punishable by fine. I've never heard of a player being blocked from signing.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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88. "I always respect a free agent’s choice but the process was in bad fait..."
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Stringing a team along as the favorite while intentionally stalling to allow your true preference to make a move, to the point of asking to delay the AD trade until Sunday without explanation. Kawhi’s camp is a one off so they face no consequence from bargaining in bad faith but could have been handled far better. Is what it is, time to move on.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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90. "Damn..."
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https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1147622846090190849

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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91. "He played the game he was allowed to play."
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We have Brawn and KD.

Other pieces were on the board. We had the choice to go ridiculously top heavy, or balance things out with other pieces, knowing we'd likely still wind up with the veteran deals we wound up with anyways.

Personally I liked DLo at a much lower max, and possibly less. Not a slam dunk but a nice get.

Kawhi is Kawhi though, and our eyes were fixated on building a that three headed monster.

The risk was the same regardless of the mechanations behind it. Had he dealt in good faith and made the same choice, would there have been a genuine difference in outcome for us?

Highly doubtful. He leveraged hos position to get what he wanted, and we took the risk because of the tantalizing potential it offered.

  

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121. "He did and it went into the territory of bad faith with the AD delay req..."
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I never said he’s not allowed to do it because he didn’t break any rules but he that final request crossed the line into bad faith. That’s his choice and many individuals/companies do it including NBA teams and it always leaves a bad taste in my mouth - whether it’s a client who decided to go that route, someone I’m negotiating with, or when I’m observing a deal play out, like this one.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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93. "Lmao."
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Nobody is history has tampered as much as the lakers. Don’t get righteous now just because you’re losing,

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123. "RIF. I didn’t say anything about tampering "
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I explicitly talked about the stalling tactics and requesting the AD trade delay

Edit: Players talking to players has never been considered tampering anyways.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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94. "Wed Jul-03-19 04:45 AM:"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2692888&mesg_id=2692888&page=#2701002

Truthstradamus strikes again...

  

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122. "You were on it but partially right and partially wrong"
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They were definitely stalling and delaying but it wasn’t to make us miss on free agents, it was to give the Clips more time to find a secondary superstar.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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96. "Nah lol. He played the game to the fullest extent allowed"
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Now that I’m over the shock. I can fw how they played it.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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107. "in so many words, you mad."
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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113. "What tis thine reason thou art mad, bro??"
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For y?

  

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117. "LOL what happened to this dude?"
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stick to the medical stuff

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120. "Thanks for the advice Laura Ingraham "
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>stick to the medical stuff

Little may you know, i was a high level arbitrator for multiple years prior to getting the doctorate. I have a bit of experience and understanding of negotiation.

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118. "RE: I always respect a free agent’s choice but the process was in bad ..."
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Naw, when Massai told Demar he wouldn't be traded and then traded him, that was bad faith. When Danny traded away injured IT that was bad faith. Hundreds of examples of ownership doing this type of shit so I have no problem with players keeping secrets and working out the deal they want. I find it crazy that they were able to keep it secret in these days of everything leaking. Nobody caught PG meeting with him in LA, etc. This is a boss move and reinforces Kawhi's legacy especially if he ends up winning a chip or more with the Clips.

  

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119. "I called out those two like I did this one as well"
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It’s within his right and he didn’t break any rules but it was bad faith negotiating

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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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98. "More breakdown from a Toronto guy..."
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https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/1147635505762168832

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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109. "Breh even had a new color way on deck..."
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https://twitter.com/KicksFinder/status/1147502815272669184

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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110. "I’ve been saying it was Clippers all along lol"
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114. "Yep, when I saw this come out almost immediately"
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then he had his mind madeup a long time ago, perhaps he didn't expect to actually win a title against those damn Worriers this season

  

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115. "RE: Yep, when I saw this come out almost immediately"
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>then he had his mind madeup a long time ago, perhaps he
>didn't expect to actually win a title against those damn
>Worriers this season

Yeah and that Toronto team isn't set up to win long term, after next season most of the roster will be unrestricted free agents except for Siam who will be restricted. After that they would've been set for a major rebuild but even with Kawhi not a lot of free agents are signing up to go to Toronto.

Clippers was the move all along.

  

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116. "if NB is smart they had the other 2 ready as well"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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124. "lol, right, people act like they couldn't have had a Raps design prepped"
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125. "It would be irresponsible if they didn’t"
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It’s their job to have each colorway and marketing campaign already ready to go. They just triggered the Clippers one after his announcement.

The red herrings people fall for are always interesting lol

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126. "Shit I have multiple NikeID colorways in my car RIGHT now nm"
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127. "Lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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129. "the people who obsessed over insider leaks and rumors"
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only have themselves to blame.



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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130. "Yep"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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131. "am I the only one that feels like the Clippers are slightly overrated?"
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No doubt Kawhi and PG are and amazing duo and currently the best 2-way players in the game.

But who else do the have?

Pat Beverly is a solid scrappy guard but he's not the world changer people are trying to make him out to be. People tried make a big deal of him "containing" KD in the first 2 games of that playoff series but then KD lit him up the rest of the way and they had to try somebody else on him.

Lou Williams is a solid scorer but there are also other reasons why he's been on 6 teams in 7 years.

Montrezl Harrell put up solid numbers mostly off the bench last year but is ready to go as a starter against 1's every night on a contender?

same for Zubac he's shown some potential but is he ready to be a starting center on a contender?

Who else do they have? Landry Shamet? JaMychal Green?

That's the team that's supposed to dominate the Lakers and the rest of the western conference?

  

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132. "That supporting cast needs a lot of work. "
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Especially on the frontlines. Also, Paul George has had shoulder surgery. It's gonna be something to see how effective he is during the season.

I expect a few more trades to happen during the season but if they don't uhm....Looking like the Lakers are still king of LA.

  

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133. "they're not a sure thing."
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even with their top two guys, no one knows how much they'll play.

I need to see paul george holding a basketball over his head with both hands after two shoulder operations.

kawhi's leg was giving out at the end of last season, how many games does he need to take off?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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134. "Same guys took 2 games from Warriors in playoffs."
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Solid mix of guys that have played together.

Lou has been on this team for a couple years now...

Defensively; Pat, Paul, & Kawhi is gonna be a problem.
They are going to be able to disrupt passing lanes like Bron & Wade.

This team roster minus the big 2 is better than Lakers team minus the big 2.
Lakers would love to have a Pat Bev, a Lou Will instant offense off bench.
Shooting like Shamet.

KCP? Been garbage. I like Avery Bradley, maybe makes a return to form.
Boogie? Hopefully he’s good again.
Danny Green is solid for sure, great player.

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135. "2 of the top 4 players from that team are gone, yes the 2 they replaced...."
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them with are infinitely better on both ends but its not like some adjustments aren't going have to be made with "load management" figured in.

And they won't be sneaking up on anybody this year. Vegas has them favored to win it all. The target will be on them.

  

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137. "Gallo was garbage in the playoffs and kinda iffy overall."
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SGA was a big piece to lose but you've got to give to get. Gallo was never in their future plans, he was an expiring contract and a stopgap. Obviously they upgrade their forward group in a major way. They had plenty of depth at the one, it's more a long-term thing that they lost SGA. They keep five of their seven rotation players, two of whom can still improve with Shamet and Zubac. Shamet might get a lot better and he has a defined role that he plays well already.

I can see the argument that they sold out their future for potentially three years of two stars, but to say that they aren't good now seems weird. They lost two guys, one of whom they were certain to lose, and the other guy they had two other very serviceable players at his position.

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138. "where did I say that they "aren't good"? I'm just saying they have..."
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adjustments to make like everybody else and I don't see them as the immediate title favorites that Vegas and everybody else are making them out to be.


> but to say that they
>aren't good now seems weird.

  

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140. "It's an exceptionally crowded field but yeah they are the favorites"
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Lakers have more pop in their 1-2 punch but less depth. Sixers taking a weird shrink-the-court approach to the extreme and have been a little wayward. Denver is still young and only made small improvements. Portland got better but so did most of the league. Celtics and Raptors took big steps back, so did Milwaukee personnel-wise even if Giannis is still improving. Houston entered into an odd experiment, they seem to be more in the Portland/Denver/possibly Utah bracket. If the Clippers aren't the favorite, then who is?

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136. "They return starters from a playoff team. Who else does that w/ this mov..."
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The Lakers return exactly one starter from a bad team. The Celtics and Heat and other teams that made these kind of power moves had to scrape together what they could in MLE and vet min signings.

Williams and Harrell were the two best bench players in the league last year and finished games (Williams in particular). Beverley started and took tough defensive assignments. Zubac is an average starting center with some room to grow. Shamet was a pleasant surprised and started games for them; he's also still very much improving. Basically right there you've got five of their top seven guys from last year on a team that made the playoffs in the West. Gallo was trash in the playoffs. Only real loss is SAG but they have depth at the position between Williams and Beverley. That's pretty good to me when you add the Finals MVP and a league MVP finalist.

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139. "I felt like that team overachieved last year, nobody expected them to..."
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to make the playoffs after the Tobias Harris trade. They won't be sneaking up on anybody this year. Things are different when you're the hunted as opposed to the hunted.

>The Lakers return exactly one starter from a bad team. The
>Celtics and Heat and other teams that made these kind of power
>moves had to scrape together what they could in MLE and vet
>min signings.

The Lakers were a 4 seed before Lebron got hurt. Now we will have 2 of the top 5 players in the league on the floor and they will make everyone around them better. Sure there are adjustments to make like there are for everybody else but the Lakers are in a good position right now. If you had told me last year we'd be starting the season with this roster i would've been super excited and I still am.

>Williams and Harrell were the two best bench players in the
>league last year and finished games (Williams in particular).
>Beverley started and took tough defensive assignments. Zubac
>is an average starting center with some room to grow. Shamet
>was a pleasant surprised and started games for them; he's also
>still very much improving. Basically right there you've got
>five of their top seven guys from last year on a team that
>made the playoffs in the West. Gallo was trash in the
>playoffs. Only real loss is SAG but they have depth at the
>position between Williams and Beverley. That's pretty good to
>me when you add the Finals MVP and a league MVP finalist.

I'm not trying to take anything away from the Clippers and it will be fun to see how the season plays out.

  

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141. "They overachieved two years in a row. So it's not a fluke + elite coachi..."
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The year before last they had all sorts of injuries and had obliterated their team with trades of stars for depth. They were in the playoff hunt until the end. Last year they played teams hard and didn't fall back after trading their best offensive player. That says it isn't a fluke and that they have one helluva coach. I don't see those as things that work against them.



>The Lakers were a 4 seed before Lebron got hurt. Now we will
>have 2 of the top 5 players in the league on the floor and
>they will make everyone around them better. Sure there are
>adjustments to make like there are for everybody else but the
>Lakers are in a good position right now. If you had told me
>last year we'd be starting the season with this roster i
>would've been super excited and I still am.

Lakers are way up there on the strength of LBJ+AD alone but both guys have more wear/tear on them and they have less around them. Easily a top 5 team in terms of title odds, maybe No. 2. But the Clippers still have more around their two guys at this point in time. Maybe the Lakers will be on that Morey and re-shape their bench in-season.


>I'm not trying to take anything away from the Clippers and it
>will be fun to see how the season plays out.

Yeah to have 8-10 teams at least potentially capable of winning the title is unprecedented or at least in our lifetime. It's pretty crazy.

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142. "RE: They overachieved two years in a row. So it's not a fluke + elite co..."
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>Lakers are way up there on the strength of LBJ+AD alone but
>both guys have more wear/tear on them and they have less
>around them. Easily a top 5 team in terms of title odds, maybe
>No. 2. But the Clippers still have more around their two guys
>at this point in time. Maybe the Lakers will be on that Morey
>and re-shape their bench in-season.

The Clippers don't have "wear/tear" on their big 2?

The supporting casts are a wash at best to me with the Lakers having a higher ceiling and possibly a lower floor.

A lot of those Clippers holdovers are going to have to learn new roles. Down the stretch Lou Williams was basically the primary ballhandler and #1 scoring option. With Kawhi and PG there he's going to be a #3 option at best and asked to play off the ball a lot, something that hasn't always been a strength of his in the past and part of the reason he's bounced around.

Montrezl Harrell was a scrappy 2nd unit guy but is he ready to start on a contender?

Landry Shamet is just a guy. Ditto for Jamychal Green.

  

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143. "I mean not really, PG has been very been durable outside of one injury"
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Obviously George had a broken leg but he recovered with no permanent damage (actually a piece that ran on that today in The NYT) and he's played 75 or more games in each season since his return. Leonard's injury history is pretty similar to AD's, sure. But LeBron is in his 17th year with tons more mileage than that would suggest between three Olympics, 10 trips to the finals, etc. I definitely wouldn't call their supporting casts "a wash." I'd take Williams and Harrell over anyone in the Lakers' mix, unless Cousins has a miraculous turnaround. Shamet can gun just like Kuzma can and it's not like Kuz is a whiz on the defensive end. The Lakers had to scramble to put together a roster. The Clippers have guys who know their coach and who have already had success there. There's really no way to spin out of that.

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144. "PG was hurt at the end of the season last year and had offseason..."
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shoulder surgery.

  

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145. "all that matters is games missed."
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any guy in the nba could stand to be 'scoped. everyone is banged up in the playoffs. that's just the reality of pro sports.

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