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"2019 pre-fagency Post"


          

Two weeks of wild speculation...damn, I love the NBA.

Tito Horford out here. Opts out and is now and UFA.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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Why shouldn't Mil do this:
Jun 18th 2019
1
lol, where do you get this stuff from? why would they want to pay more.....
Jun 18th 2019
2
Research before you comment
Jun 18th 2019
4
      again is this trade something that's actually out there or some bullshit...
Jun 18th 2019
7
      Tell me how 34-30 = 6yrs
Jun 18th 2019
11
           you're right my bad 4.5 years CP3 still makes WAY more money even...
Jun 18th 2019
13
                I think the bucks don't have much room for improvement without trades
Jun 18th 2019
14
                     CP3 has THREE more years because ain't no way he's opting out of...
Jun 19th 2019
26
                          Last yr of that contract is tradeable because it expires aka cap room
Jun 19th 2019
27
                               RE: Last yr of that contract is tradeable because it expires aka cap roo...
Jun 19th 2019
28
                                    RE: Last yr of that contract is tradeable because it expires aka cap roo...
Jun 19th 2019
30
                                         Dude NOBODY is trading for that CP3 contract, at least nobody that...
Jun 19th 2019
32
      So you haven’t seen CPPlea play recently?
Jun 18th 2019
8
           I saw him play better than Bledsoe in the playoffs
Jun 18th 2019
12
           Agenda+Agenda=Triggered
Jun 29th 2019
126
Houston is trying to dump salary to sign a max guy, not take on role guy...
Jun 29th 2019
124
Tito was like "FUCK DANNY AINGE". I approve of this.
Jun 18th 2019
3
surprised to see Horford opt out of that $30mil, I think he and Danny...
Jun 18th 2019
5
that was the story, but now rumors of another team offering an extra yea...
Jun 19th 2019
18
With top free agents already down, the 2nd tier guys have some leverage....
Jun 19th 2019
19
      REMIX: With top free agents already down, the 2nd tier guys...
Jun 19th 2019
23
I'm wondering what the Knicks gonna do about KD.
Jun 18th 2019
6
Butler would be a fool to leave Philly.
Jun 18th 2019
9
They probably will be the salary dumping site
Jun 18th 2019
10
LOL, Harrison Barnes is opting out?
Jun 18th 2019
15
Sacramento's lucky.
Jun 18th 2019
17
If KD does leave GSW, I wonder if Harrison finds his way back to them...
Jun 19th 2019
20
The problem is the lack of the Dubs' cap space
Jun 24th 2019
67
      Gotcha! Scratch that idea!
Jun 27th 2019
111
Eh. It’s a smart move.
Jun 19th 2019
22
      Yup.
Jun 28th 2019
119
Net's shopping Joe Harris
Jun 18th 2019
16
I want him to come back to the Cavs
Jun 20th 2019
40
      nvm, they drafted Windler
Jun 24th 2019
62
FYI... 2019 NBA Free Agent Tracker
Jun 19th 2019
21
People keep doubting the Lakers...
Jun 19th 2019
24
Folks actually want to trade for Bradley Beal...
Jun 19th 2019
25
Guess they still waiting and wishing for Massai
Jun 19th 2019
29
      Ted fucked that up royally.
Jun 20th 2019
59
Wiz say they never had plans to rock with Masai....
Jun 19th 2019
31
LOL
Jun 19th 2019
33
DLo going back?
Jun 19th 2019
34
He’s more likely to swap places with Kyrie
Jun 19th 2019
35
who? because I'd love that.
Jun 19th 2019
37
      Nobody lol
Jun 19th 2019
38
Bucks send Tony Snell and the 30th pick to Detroit
Jun 19th 2019
36
I guess that messes up the CP3 trade
Jun 19th 2019
39
ill take that!
Jun 20th 2019
49
Celtics are holding all the Ls right now
Jun 20th 2019
41
Danny might've outsmarted himself.
Jun 20th 2019
42
Was Danny ever smart?
Jun 20th 2019
46
      Exaactly lol...
Jun 20th 2019
51
and it is sooooooo sweet.
Jun 20th 2019
43
You hate to see it
Jun 20th 2019
44
Nets Cooling on Kyrie?
Jun 20th 2019
45
RE: Nets Cooling on Kyrie?
Jun 20th 2019
47
Maybe they don’t want to ruin their team chemistry with...
Jun 20th 2019
50
Sounds about right
Jun 20th 2019
52
Makes sense to me. A team-up thing, OK, maybe.
Jun 29th 2019
127
VEGAN JAH OPTION PICKED UP! GOOD!
Jun 20th 2019
48
From BUST to a rotation guy, yay Duke!!!!
Jun 20th 2019
57
you and Basa got to be all aboard the Pelicans 2nd line
Jun 21st 2019
61
Shakes fists
Jun 24th 2019
66
celtics are a fucking mess
Jun 20th 2019
53
RE: celtics are a fucking mess
Jun 20th 2019
54
So where do these guys land and on what type of deal:
Jun 20th 2019
55
Suns trade TJ Warren to Indy
Jun 20th 2019
56
I’m calling it Kyrie to the Knicks to play with RJ, Bags get Knicks...
Jun 20th 2019
58
ugh please no
Jun 20th 2019
60
Hard pass
Jun 24th 2019
63
      Who kyrie??? Yeah, right.
Jun 25th 2019
70
           Yes. Shitty attitude, no defense playing chucker?
Jun 25th 2019
71
                It’s hard to believe but the Knicks have never had a good PG ever
Jun 26th 2019
78
                     Not true
Jun 26th 2019
79
                     Starks was not a PG. Jackson was OK, not a bum or a star
Jun 29th 2019
123
Portland trading Evan Turner to Atlanta for Kent Bazemore...
Jun 24th 2019
64
League exec says KD is 'really pissed' @ Dubs (swipe)
Jun 24th 2019
65
Woj firecracker...Rockets plan to pursue sign and trade for Jimmy
Jun 25th 2019
68
LOL@Jimmy in HOU’s locker room
Jun 25th 2019
69
morey believes in numbers only. not people.
Jun 25th 2019
74
Doesn’t make sense for anyone involved, so Jimmy’s going to...
Jun 26th 2019
76
PIPE to Lakers?
Jun 25th 2019
72
who?
Jun 25th 2019
73
OKS random nicknames are hella annoying, not everybody pays...
Jun 25th 2019
75
Not tryna get the pipe?
Jun 26th 2019
77
people will eventually figure out that it refers to a random JR Smith...
Jun 26th 2019
80
Take the stick outta your ass, 90% of people here know the PIPE joke
Jun 26th 2019
83
      I would say that number is far below 90%, like I said not everybody...
Jun 26th 2019
87
could definitely see that
Jun 26th 2019
81
ever after what happened the last time he was in the Finals with Lebron?
Jun 26th 2019
82
yes...
Jun 26th 2019
85
given the Lakers' salary situation, absolutely.
Jun 26th 2019
84
      yep...Cleveland basically told him to go away...
Jun 26th 2019
86
JR in LA... how many games is he going to play not hungover?
Jun 26th 2019
88
KD walking (or hobbling) away from the option.
Jun 26th 2019
89
I think he was opting out anyway whether he signs a long-term deal with....
Jun 26th 2019
90
      its an interesting choice
Jun 26th 2019
91
      probably the smart move on his part
Jun 26th 2019
92
      agreed... GS has the Bird rights
Jun 26th 2019
93
      I never thought he was leaving BEFORE the injury, now to do it and...
Jun 26th 2019
94
      The insurance implications, he's not going back to GS
Jun 27th 2019
104
Rockets shopping Capela, Gordon and Tucker...
Jun 26th 2019
95
They plan on starting Nene at C...?
Jun 26th 2019
96
This is very confusing to me.
Jun 26th 2019
99
      Desperation caused by a vulnerable Warriors.
Jun 26th 2019
100
           Its dumb, Harden & CP3 we’re already about to tear apart the...
Jun 27th 2019
101
Marc Gasol takes player option to stay another year in Toronto
Jun 26th 2019
97
Smart move...
Jun 26th 2019
98
was there ever any doubt he would?
Jun 29th 2019
122
Woj just broke in on Get Up and said Boston and Kemba...
Jun 27th 2019
102
lose kyrie, get best available generic brand
Jun 27th 2019
103
      It's like going from the BMW version to the Toyota version
Jun 30th 2019
220
AD is waving is trade kicker per Woj.
Jun 27th 2019
105
That plus this trade = Max slot
Jun 27th 2019
106
DAngelo is going to thrive there...nm
Jun 27th 2019
107
No.
Jun 27th 2019
109
Lol why don't you think he's going there?
Jun 27th 2019
112
      1 he’s a RESTRICTED free agent so if Brooklyn passes on Kyrie...
Jun 28th 2019
114
RE: DAngelo is going to thrive there...nm
Jun 27th 2019
113
You know bitch ass Woj clenched his teeth writing this tweet.
Jun 27th 2019
110
The Five Most Interesting Under-the-Radar Free Agents
Jun 27th 2019
108
bulls snagged 2 of the 5. nice.
Jul 01st 2019
279
Stein: SAC intends to offer Barnes 4/$90 mil
Jun 28th 2019
115
#FreeBagley #FreeGiles
Jun 28th 2019
117
I absolutely love this deal.
Jun 28th 2019
118
Kings to offer Harrison Barnes 4/90 bag...
Jun 28th 2019
116
Kawhi asking to meet with Jeanie AND Magic is peak shithousery
Jun 29th 2019
120
Kawhi: "Wasn't y'all like friends with benefits in the 80s?"
Jun 30th 2019
197
Darren Collison retiring...
Jun 29th 2019
121
Here's how fuckin' dumb the 710 talk radio crew is
Jun 29th 2019
125
Mirotic going back to Europe...
Jun 29th 2019
128
must've been unhappy in the US
Jun 30th 2019
131
Hmm they're saying 6 yrs/~70mil Euros
Jun 30th 2019
140
      my bad. makes sense then.
Jun 30th 2019
143
Una porcion enorme de GUAPAMOLE
Jun 30th 2019
225
He wasn't built for this league
Jul 03rd 2019
357
      Wait I thought he was "the second greatest Euro ever" LMAO
Jul 03rd 2019
359
They’re saying Kemba to Boston is basically a done deal
Jun 29th 2019
129
they should be getting killed for this
Jun 30th 2019
132
      I agree but don’t they still have a ton a draft picks to trade? Kyrie....
Jun 30th 2019
133
      The Memphis pick is the only thing that might be worth a damn
Jun 30th 2019
134
           I was under the impression that they had all these “assets” to where...
Jun 30th 2019
135
                currently fighting the urge
Jun 30th 2019
137
                     Cliff note version if his buddy Kevin McHale doesn’t giftwrap KG...
Jun 30th 2019
138
                          And he’s been chasing that trade ever since
Jun 30th 2019
139
                          Would be hilarious if the Nets reach the finals before the Celts
Jun 30th 2019
141
                          you forgot they overpaid for Hayward before his injury chasing...
Jun 30th 2019
142
                               he didn't overpay him, he was coming off a great season
Jun 30th 2019
231
                          uh he also hosed the fuck out of the nets, sixers and cavs
Jun 30th 2019
230
      LMAO, what an expert you are
Jun 30th 2019
217
Kyrie/Brooklyn close to $141M Deal (Woj)
Jun 29th 2019
130
this is why I’m not on the “bring back Dlo!” bandwagon...
Jun 30th 2019
136
Wolves will give Wiggins the max if he "commits to improving." LMAO
Jun 30th 2019
144
Woj is saying KD to the Nets
Jun 30th 2019
145
Hearing Jimmy Butler wants to play for Miami
Jun 30th 2019
146
Brogdon/Horford nm
Jun 30th 2019
158
Mitch strikes again. 3/58 for Rozier.
Jun 30th 2019
147
Marks FTW
Jun 30th 2019
148
Broussard: Lakers in the lead for Kawhi.....
Jun 30th 2019
149
RE: Broussard: Lakers in the lead for Kawhi.....
Jun 30th 2019
150
      he's not the only one reporting it
Jun 30th 2019
151
      RE: he's not the only one reporting it
Jun 30th 2019
152
      broussard has cleaned up his credibility a lot imo.
Jun 30th 2019
153
david griffin's building a monster down in new orleans
Jun 30th 2019
154
BRUH! Besides Philly, the Pelicans are legit winning the Team Building.....
Jul 01st 2019
250
D Rose to Detroit 2/15
Jun 30th 2019
155
Potentially the best value of this FA class
Jun 30th 2019
223
Ariza to SAC 2/25
Jun 30th 2019
156
Damn. Brogdon got 4/85.
Jun 30th 2019
157
That's basically what Oladipo got from OKC
Jun 30th 2019
161
Right...
Jun 30th 2019
163
He is worth more...being hurt probably cut into what he could get this t...
Jun 30th 2019
165
He's a 2nd rd pick so that was the max he could get after a rookie deal
Jun 30th 2019
167
      Ahhh.
Jun 30th 2019
196
Great signing for Indy, steal factoring in current level plus potential.
Jun 30th 2019
224
Rubio to PHX 3/51
Jun 30th 2019
159
Helps their team, I think, if the big guns fire, they have support now
Jun 30th 2019
226
KD and Ky together on a team that isn't the Knicks. GOOD.
Jun 30th 2019
160
I'm farting in your general direction.
Jun 30th 2019
164
      Shout out to the max deal y'all are gonna offer Jeremy Lamb.
Jun 30th 2019
166
KD to BKLN. SMH.
Jun 30th 2019
162
RE: KD to BKLN. SMH.
Jun 30th 2019
173
      RE: KD to BKLN. SMH.
Jun 30th 2019
182
Bogdanovic 4yrs/73mil to the 2020 Western Conference champs Jazz
Jun 30th 2019
168
sixers have started discussions with rich paul
Jun 30th 2019
169
four-year max, lock
Jun 30th 2019
227
Tobias stays in Philly for 5/180...Jimmy gone?
Jun 30th 2019
170
Jim Dolan was not prepared to offer KD the max....LOLZ!!!!
Jun 30th 2019
171
this would be completely unbelievable for just about everyone but dolan.
Jun 30th 2019
177
LMAO Dolan didn't even offer KD a max contract
Jun 30th 2019
172
After what happened with Amar'e, I understand....
Jun 30th 2019
180
      The leak is a bad and petty look though.
Jun 30th 2019
184
      Leak?
Jun 30th 2019
191
      RE: After what happened with Amar'e, I understand.... LIKEWISE!
Jul 01st 2019
251
Nerlens staying in OKC...hell yeah
Jun 30th 2019
174
or...not?
Jun 30th 2019
198
      so, instead we sign Mike Muscala???
Jun 30th 2019
199
           Nerlens confirmed...whew
Jul 01st 2019
319
Randle 3/63 NY
Jun 30th 2019
175
Julius to the Knicks...3/63
Jun 30th 2019
176
it's gonna be HILARIOUS when Kyrie is hurt when KD gets
Jun 30th 2019
178
Junkyard.... Junkyard.... Junkyard!
Jun 30th 2019
179
Wonder why there's a hold-up on announcing Klay's deal.
Jun 30th 2019
181
Not mad at Dolan for this one
Jun 30th 2019
183
Taj Gibson to the Knicks...2/20
Jun 30th 2019
185
Great veteran presence for this young team.
Jun 30th 2019
189
Love this. Glue guy with skills to mentor Knox, Mitch and Randle
Jun 30th 2019
195
Bridge player. They quietly have decent frontcourt depth now
Jun 30th 2019
228
Woj: Jimmy taking his talents to South Beach
Jun 30th 2019
186
Horford 4/109 philly
Jun 30th 2019
187
wow really? Can he and Embiid play together?
Jun 30th 2019
188
Horford could play 4 no?
Jun 30th 2019
190
RE: Horford could play 4 no?
Jun 30th 2019
192
With Horford opting out of the kind of money he did I feel like he...
Jun 30th 2019
194
they didn't give Al over 100 Million to bring him off the bench
Jun 30th 2019
229
I agree, OR they know something about Embiid
Jul 01st 2019
239
I think they'll play together some but more apart
Jul 01st 2019
309
Horford is a pick-n-pop guy.....who's going to be his dance partner?
Jun 30th 2019
202
Why not? Tito has played plenty of four. He also slides over.
Jul 01st 2019
232
Horford gave Embiid problems in the playoffs two years ago
Jun 30th 2019
193
      Embiid played worse against the Heat in the '18 postseason
Jun 30th 2019
205
DLO to the warriors in a sign and trade for the max
Jun 30th 2019
200
I was actually wondering if something might happen in a S&T but still......
Jun 30th 2019
203
DLo to the damn warriors. Wow.
Jun 30th 2019
201
Cold move by the Warriors....
Jun 30th 2019
204
Curry still has 3 All-Stars so #NoExcuses
Jun 30th 2019
206
      He doesn't need any
Jun 30th 2019
211
           RE: He doesn't HAVE any
Jun 30th 2019
212
It ties up a lot of cap space though
Jun 30th 2019
207
They clearly don't care about defense, Boogie about to whoo-ride
Jun 30th 2019
208
less cap space than a max deal for KD though
Jul 01st 2019
236
Speechless
Jun 30th 2019
209
Dynasty Reloading
Jun 30th 2019
210
Better not room w/ Wardell otherwise Ayesha is going to be devastated
Jun 30th 2019
216
This move ain't it chief
Jun 30th 2019
213
It was DLo or nothing. You want a top 10 FA or you want nothing?
Jul 01st 2019
234
Y'all right, I somehow missed that it was a S&T
Jul 01st 2019
302
      it sounds like they're finna trade DLo anyway
Jul 01st 2019
310
           bout to flip that boy like a Whopper patty...
Jul 01st 2019
318
Lol they lost durant. There isnt a move to replace that
Jul 01st 2019
243
we could've gotten nothing out of this
Jul 01st 2019
244
Great move, able body and keeps their bottom line high
Jul 01st 2019
233
Good I didn’t want him back in LA, he’s doesn’t play defense
Jul 01st 2019
238
This fucking sucks
Jul 01st 2019
245
so, DLo will be on the move again, this summer...wonder where he lands
Jul 01st 2019
257
      Hope the Wolves can be in play
Jul 01st 2019
259
           KAT seemed to think it was happening, at one point, yesterday
Jul 01st 2019
261
                LOL, had me so hyped when I saw that
Jul 01st 2019
274
Knicks CRUSHING the Power Forward market - Bobby Portis
Jun 30th 2019
214
Randle/Portis/ > Mase/Oakley
Jun 30th 2019
215
curious moves....
Jun 30th 2019
218
they are still very much shaping their team
Jul 01st 2019
235
Looking more deeply at this, it is a flat-out terrible signing
Jul 01st 2019
287
Is this just the FAgency post now? Because almost everything is done
Jun 30th 2019
219
Like I said, Rox made a mistake leaking all this shit to the media
Jun 30th 2019
221
I wanna dump on the Knicks but I think they might have lucked out
Jun 30th 2019
222
lol, I'm sure the fanbase is OVERFLOWING with confidence
Jul 01st 2019
237
Only chance? Nah... best bet is what they’re doing.
Jul 01st 2019
241
I agree, I don't see any big time free agents going there as long as...
Jul 01st 2019
248
We did great yesterday and are in position to keep our assets in the fut...
Jul 01st 2019
249
I'm not a Knicks fan but I do like that they are building a team rather ...
Jul 01st 2019
253
      ... but they DID rush out for big free agents, lol.
Jul 01st 2019
262
      the fact that they felt they had to issue a statement...
Jul 01st 2019
264
      They've got fans to appease. They owned up to their mistake and...
Jul 01st 2019
275
           ... but every move they're making indicated they *aren't* moving slowly.
Jul 01st 2019
303
                Man, trust the process. They're Philly-lite!
Jul 01st 2019
317
      True. I didn't quite capture what I wanted to say in that...
Jul 01st 2019
272
      Charlie's post said we lucked out.
Jul 01st 2019
304
           Sure-- I just don't see the Knicks ever doing a "slow build."
Jul 01st 2019
312
      I mean they wanted quick fixes but now have to face reality
Jul 01st 2019
266
no doubt they have a toxic situation but maybe it's improving
Jul 01st 2019
268
Basically
Jul 01st 2019
242
completely agreed
Jul 01st 2019
246
a proper rebuild is their fall back plan, though
Jul 01st 2019
263
      Having thought about this, I am ready to dump on them after all
Jul 01st 2019
289
           they are all 2 year deals.
Jul 01st 2019
305
                I'm aware but even so I don't love them
Jul 01st 2019
314
KK the Young Sidekick
Jul 01st 2019
240
that locker room fucekd before KD laces them up
Jul 01st 2019
247
      I think Kyrie learned from his time in Boston, people forget he’s only...
Jul 01st 2019
252
           only
Jul 01st 2019
260
                you should be worried about your $40mil pg getting exposed next year
Jul 01st 2019
270
I have zero idea how this Sixers thing plays out
Jul 01st 2019
254
I see LOTS of turnovers with Embiid being force fed
Jul 01st 2019
325
Lakers in play for Iggy, Seth Curry & Danny Green
Jul 01st 2019
255
doesn't Memphis have to buy Iggy out first?
Jul 01st 2019
256
yes - but all signs are pointing to that.
Jul 01st 2019
258
Seth Curry to the Mavs
Jul 01st 2019
273
Curry's out.
Jul 01st 2019
276
MIA keeps making moves: Whiteside to POR for M. Leonard, Harkless
Jul 01st 2019
265
Had to get Hassan away from Jimmy
Jul 01st 2019
267
They are also still trying to move Dragic. Mavs almost took him
Jul 01st 2019
269
how could they beeee MO HARKLESSSSSSSS???
Jul 01st 2019
271
I think that was posted in the draft thread one year.
Jul 01st 2019
277
      lol...damn
Jul 01st 2019
278
      same
Jul 01st 2019
281
I hope Jimmy learns to STFU
Jul 01st 2019
288
      Wait...what? We're only getting Richardson?
Jul 01st 2019
321
           The LAC got Harkless and a 1st round pick...
Jul 02nd 2019
330
Been cookin' with the pot, Seth Curry with the shot (c) Mark Cuban B
Jul 01st 2019
280
That seems like a great deal.
Jul 01st 2019
282
      you guys'll get someone good at the MLE
Jul 01st 2019
283
      He's pretty specialized and the market factors limited him
Jul 01st 2019
292
Can we talk about how insane that was
Jul 01st 2019
284
? Aren't they coming off rookie contracts
Jul 01st 2019
285
Brodgon's deal seems okay.
Jul 01st 2019
286
lalalalalala i'm not listening lalalalalalala
Jul 01st 2019
293
Brogdon's deal is not insane. It's open-market. He's good, getting bette...
Jul 01st 2019
290
the nba universe has a hard time accepting that pretty good dudes
Jul 01st 2019
295
      Show me guys doing let's say 18/5/4 making substantially less
Jul 01st 2019
297
I like Brogdon's contract better than Middleton's
Jul 01st 2019
294
      I do too, Brogdon gives you more things
Jul 01st 2019
296
What were the WORST deals? Rozier, Barnes and Portis for me.
Jul 01st 2019
291
Horford..we're eating the last 2 years of that contract
Jul 01st 2019
298
Fit is OK but yes good chance that he's only good for two years
Jul 01st 2019
301
I thought Horford was CRAZY for opting out of that last year for $30mil....
Jul 01st 2019
306
      any time you can get a multi-year deal, you should opt out
Jul 01st 2019
307
           apparently there were several teams willing to go 4 with him
Jul 01st 2019
308
                oh yeah i am not saying he shouldn't have gotten it but ...
Jul 01st 2019
311
The Rozier deal is utter lunacy.
Jul 01st 2019
313
JORN
Jul 01st 2019
315
He's the new Harrison Barnes
Jul 01st 2019
326
Damn shame. He sorry.
Jul 01st 2019
316
Kanter to the Cs, 1+1 at $5M per (player option).
Jul 01st 2019
299
God I can't wait to sweep them in the first round
Jul 01st 2019
300
I can't wait for Kanter and Embiid to go at each other all year.
Jul 01st 2019
322
Portland gave him six minutes to decide
Jul 02nd 2019
334
      Dame refuted this on Twitter...
Jul 02nd 2019
335
           Thanks for that
Jul 02nd 2019
338
Jordan Bell agrees to a deal with Minny
Jul 01st 2019
320
I like him. Shame he'll be stuck on that team.
Jul 01st 2019
323
Don't talk shit about Tyus
Jul 02nd 2019
333
Change of scenery might be good for him he seemed to fall out of favor.....
Jul 01st 2019
324
He’s charged his last $15 candle to Mike Brown’s room
Jul 01st 2019
327
      that’s what was reported but I feel like it had to be more than that
Jul 01st 2019
328
Still need PG depth and some more bigs
Jul 02nd 2019
332
Woj: There’s no market for Cousins
Jul 02nd 2019
329
Sad that all of the keepin' it real shiggidy from earlier in his career,...
Jul 02nd 2019
331
      I dont exactly buy this "no market" line though
Jul 05th 2019
390
Lakers need to get Boogie, Melo, JR, Lance, and Rondo at the least.
Jul 02nd 2019
336
And keep Tyson Chandler also?
Jul 02nd 2019
337
I’m just not a fan of Cousins at all
Jul 02nd 2019
339
What a fucking nightmare roster that would be, lmao.
Jul 02nd 2019
341
      In the end, it should look something like this:
Jul 03rd 2019
346
           Forgot Iggy was considering them too
Jul 03rd 2019
347
Dudley to the Lakers on a 1-year $2.6m deal
Jul 02nd 2019
340
not mad at it...but we need to get a PG
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      just hope Caruso doesn't get a bigger offer than Lakers can afford
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      Why not run it back with Rondo?
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      I’m hoping we can talk Darren Collison out of retirement, he has a...
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Cauley-Stein to the Warriors for the low is another solid move
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Great fit for them even if I am kinda disappointed by him
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Noah Vonleh to Minnesota on a one year deal
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Kawhi isn’t coming, is he
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RE: Kawhi isn’t coming, is he
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Heard a good amount from the Clips too but yeah.
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I knew he was jerking us around that's why I said in the Laker post...
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And who would you have signed for the deals they got?
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if i'm wrong, i'm wrong, so be it...
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Who was really available that was worth taking the risk? b/w Trades
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I still think he'll ultimately be a Laker
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Stephen A sources say its a done deal...
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      Jalen Rose 99% stays in Toronto
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People got jokes for the Knicks, but let's be real
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RE: People got jokes for the Knicks, but let's be real
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      No "maybes" in front of Mitch's name
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      they absolutely don't match up with them
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      Sliding doors: How the Knicks did and did not botch free agency (SWIPE)
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The corpse of Chandler Parsons sent to Atlanta
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Seems like a good move for ATL, cap dump
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Mudiay to Utah for one year is a low key steal
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Management and coaching there is excellent
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Markieff Morris to Detroit
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Lakers should sign National Champion Quinn Cook.
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LONGODAMUS!
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Josh Jackson heading to Memphis
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Just how sorry is he? They basically paid to get get rid of him
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      I remember the usual OKS “college basketball experts” hyping him up
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I'm gonna need the Bucks to go ahead and pick up Korver
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sheeeeittt...Kyle flew directly to L.A. and started condo shopping
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      damn. We need a legitimate "white guy shooting 3 pointers"
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           Everyone needs that. At the office, at home, at Chili's,
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Jalen is saying Kawhi is going back to Toronto 2/yr deal not sure if...
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Jalen is connected but honestly it seems like nobody knows anything.
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Like I said I never really bought into the idea of Kawhi signing up to.....
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      And again - who would you have signed?
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s/o to adam silver and the nba for giving us these male soap operas
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      Next summer will be weak you got what AD & Draymond?
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           maybe kawhi again on the opt out? (if he stays with toronto)
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On espn they were saying if Kawhi goes back to Toronto Danny Green...
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If KL stays, DG stays
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      yeah, that's what I thought, too...
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           The way I took it was DG wants to be in LA but not for a minimum...
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                He has a bag waiting for him and Toronto can go over the cap to keep him
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How the fuck do you 'postphone' a trade???
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thunder causes ships to stock up on nyquil.
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could this be the GOAT fagency?
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The Knicks gotta be the most pissed in all this, both LA teams...
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Where does Russ end up?
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Would be be a good fit in Miami with Jimmy?
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Knicks makes sense
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Love that Kawhi had everyone wrong
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Woj, ALLUVEM! NOBODY saw this coming.
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PG immediately requesting that trade LOL
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Sooooo AD didn’t sign an extension right? Lol....
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RE: Sooooo AD didn’t sign an extension right? Lol....
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Anywhere
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      Do you know who his agent is?
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You were saying?
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The SPURS saved the NBA again.
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BOogie joining the Lakers
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him and ad reunited could be a problem.
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      The reporting is that AD is the one who convinced him to come.
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      i meant it as a good thing. a problem for the rest of the league lol.
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      Correct, and idk how more ppl aren't seeing this
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Russ may be on the move
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now this is interesting. I do NOT want him going to the Knicks
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      RE: now this is interesting. I do NOT want him going to the Knicks
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Dolan trying to acquire Russ, allegedly
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Marcus Morris to the Spurs 2yrs, $20mil fuck Pop
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what's the deal with Avery Bradley? At former 2-time all-defense team...
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He was really bad last year.
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he was bad 2 years ago
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Bradley different than the other cases
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      That doesn’t make sense...
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           Oh I'm with you. Don't make sense to me either.
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                Brad Stevens
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auragin_boi
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1. "Why shouldn't Mil do this:"
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Chris Paul for Eric Beldsoe, Tony Snell and Ersan Ilyasova and a second round draft pick.

Money is about even. They get an upgrade at PG and a better fit next to Giannis. E-Bled is younger but I'd venture that Mil has the same level of diminishing returns over 3 yrs with Paul as they would with Bledsoe and they are already trying to offload Snell and Ersan.

Rockets get a competent PG who's score first so he won't be trying to coach Harden, is use to playing with a ball dominant star/playing second or third fiddle. They get a shooter, a 3 and D bench player and a pick.

Giannis/Paul pick and rolls would be devastating. Lopez, Brogdon, Niko (all re-signed) would love playing with Paul because they'd get better shots. And Paul is still good for the timely bucket if Giannis is struggling. Only issue would be durability but Paul could play the same number of minutes bledsoe did (29) to minimize over use and Brogdon can easily slide over to the PG when needed if Paul has to sit out.

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2. "lol, where do you get this stuff from? why would they want to pay more....."
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than twice the salary for an older player?

  

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4. "Research before you comment"
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>than twice the salary for an older player?

They are trying to trade Snell (12 mil) and ilyasova (7 mil) right now.

Bledsoe and Ersan's contracts run another 3 seasons. Snell's another 2.

The money is practically the same for almost the same period (could always trade Paul when he's close to expiring).

And Paul is better than Bledsoe and a MUCH better fit next to Giannis.

In the playoffs when the Bucks needed a big play that didn't come from Giannis, they came up crickets. Paul can mitigate that.

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7. "again is this trade something that's actually out there or some bullshit..."
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you made up in your head?

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston_rockets/

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/milwaukee_bucks/

Chris Paul makes more that twice what Bledsoe makes and is 6 years older no matter how to try to spin it lol. Bledsoe had an extra year but still the money is not anywhere close. Bledsoe just made first-team all defense.

  

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11. "Tell me how 34-30 = 6yrs"
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Also tell me how:

Bledsoe - $15.6 mil
Ersan - $7 mil
Snell - $11.3 mil

Total - $33.9 mil

Is double

CP3 - $38.5 mil

???

>you made up in your head?
>
>https://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston_rockets/
>
>https://hoopshype.com/salaries/milwaukee_bucks/
>
>Chris Paul makes more that twice what Bledsoe makes and is 6
>years older no matter how to try to spin it lol. Bledsoe had
>an extra year but still the money is not anywhere close.
>Bledsoe just made first-team all defense.

Paul is a better player. Avg'd more stls and .1 less blocks than Bledsoe. Is a better shooter and passer. Most importantly, better fit next to Giannis than Bledsoe.

But yeah, I brought this up, never said it was reported anywhere (hence the question being asked). You don't have to agree or think it's a good trade for both teams...I do.

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13. "you're right my bad 4.5 years CP3 still makes WAY more money even..."
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if you try to "package" those other guys in which doesn't make sense those other contracts could more easily be traded off individually and at this point on their careers CP3 is not that much better than Bledsoe for this to even remotely make sense.

Stay off of realGM fam lol

  

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14. "I think the bucks don't have much room for improvement without trades"
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And I think they should go all in on trying to win next season. CP3 been in the West his whole career. Maybe being on the East side is a little easier for him. Kawhi did it for a yr and got a ring lol

I think the Bucks need a distributor and Houston needs a second wheel (not a semi-alpha).

They should just swap headaches. A 2yr rental of Cp3 isn't worse than E-Bled for 2 more seasons IMO.

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26. "CP3 has THREE more years because ain't no way he's opting out of..."
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that last year of $44mil. No GM in his right mind is taking on that contract.

>And I think they should go all in on trying to win next
>season. CP3 been in the West his whole career. Maybe being on
>the East side is a little easier for him. Kawhi did it for a
>yr and got a ring lol
>
>I think the Bucks need a distributor and Houston needs a
>second wheel (not a semi-alpha).
>
>They should just swap headaches. A 2yr rental of Cp3 isn't
>worse than E-Bled for 2 more seasons IMO.

And what exactly is Giannis supposed to be doing while CP3 is dribbling the air out of the ball?

  

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27. "Last yr of that contract is tradeable because it expires aka cap room"
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Lot's of last yr contracts get traded for that reason. Or they could let it rock, get a fresh $44 mil to re-tool for another run. Giannis would be 27/28 right in the middle of his prime.

>that last year of $44mil. No GM in his right mind is taking
>on that contract.

A GM with cap and wants an additional asset who wants to make a run at multiple max free agents the next summer might.

>And what exactly is Giannis supposed to be doing while CP3 is
>dribbling the air out of the ball?

1-CP doesn't just dribble the air out the ball
2-A CP/Giannis pick and roll would be like a CP/Deandre Jordan pick and role but better
3-Even if CP did what you're claiming, Giannis can do what he did when Bledsoe did it this season (seeing as Bledsoe had a higher usage rate than Paul).

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28. "RE: Last yr of that contract is tradeable because it expires aka cap roo..."
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>Lot's of last yr contracts get traded for that reason. Or
>they could let it rock, get a fresh $44 mil to re-tool for
>another run. Giannis would be 27/28 right in the middle of
>his prime.
>
>>that last year of $44mil. No GM in his right mind is taking
>>on that contract.
>
>A GM with cap and a wants an additional asset who wants to
>make a run at multiple max free agents might the next summer
>might.

I'm talking about a GM that trades for that contract NOW.


>>And what exactly is Giannis supposed to be doing while CP3
>is
>>dribbling the air out of the ball?
>
>1-CP doesn't just dribble the air out the ball
>2-A CP/Giannis pick and roll would be like a CP/Deandre Jordan
>pick and role but better
>3-Even if CP did what you're claiming, Giannis can do what he
>did when Bledsoe did it this season (seeing as Bledsoe had a
>higher usage rate than Paul).


And apparently CP3 wasn't very happy about his usage rate this year lol

  

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30. "RE: Last yr of that contract is tradeable because it expires aka cap roo..."
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>I'm talking about a GM that trades for that contract NOW.

If it's basically a swap out of cash (almost even money), the GM won't be as worried (and the deal I proposed is within range...maybe one extra throw in to make it even).

>And apparently CP3 wasn't very happy about his usage rate this
>year lol

Even if it increased, an extra 2% usage to 24%, which is what he was at the 2 seasons prior isn't killing the Bucks offense. Dude is a good passer and will find shooters. Much more than Bledsoe. So if he has the ball, other people will likely benefit. Who's going to complain about getting more/easier shots?

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32. "Dude NOBODY is trading for that CP3 contract, at least nobody that..."
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likes their job lol

  

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8. "So you haven’t seen CPPlea play recently?"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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12. "I saw him play better than Bledsoe in the playoffs"
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126. "Agenda+Agenda=Triggered"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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124. "Houston is trying to dump salary to sign a max guy, not take on role guy..."
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That deal makes some sense for the Bucks maybe, though it's a race against time. They might only get one good year out of Paul, if that.

But how does it make any sense for Houston?

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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3. "Tito was like "FUCK DANNY AINGE". I approve of this."
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5. "surprised to see Horford opt out of that $30mil, I think he and Danny..."
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probably have a handshake deal under the table to spread his money out for cap relief

  

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18. "that was the story, but now rumors of another team offering an extra yea..."
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and fml, the celtics have just fucked up this year in record breaking fashion. Al and Kyrie are walking, they have some mid-teens picks in a shallow draft and Rozier's probably not staying which is fine (he was definitely part of the problem this year, even though I think he's a good starting quality guard) except that the team suddenly lacks guards and centers.


and they'd have to renounce all their FAs to be able to make a max offer and who is taking that offer now? damn, danny's taking an L unless a miracle happens.

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19. "With top free agents already down, the 2nd tier guys have some leverage...."
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That what they said this morning on Get Up.

I kinda see.

Harrison Barnes and Horford are two of those guys that can secure longer term deals

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23. "REMIX: With top free agents already down, the 2nd tier guys..."
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have some leverage.

That's what the guys said, this morning, on Get Up.

Harrison Barnes and Horford are two of those guys that can secure longer term deals.


I prematurely pressed the button earlier when someone unexpectedly stepped into my office.

--- praying for peace, love, and power

  

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6. "I'm wondering what the Knicks gonna do about KD. "
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Its hard for them to go for this, after what happened with the Amar'e - Carmelo mashup that never really took hold.

I hope they trade down. And I would like for us to sign Brogdon (not as a max) and Jimmy Buckets, then draft a big (Hachimura) and a shooter to go with them.

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9. "Butler would be a fool to leave Philly."
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That's just about the perfect spot for him.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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10. "They probably will be the salary dumping site"
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Take on the bad two year deals to tread water till next year.

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15. "LOL, Harrison Barnes is opting out?"
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Good luck, man

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17. "Sacramento's lucky. "
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20. "If KD does leave GSW, I wonder if Harrison finds his way back to them..."
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He might not get the same type of yearly averages that he has now but could secure a four to five year deal that puts him back into a familiar setting and that would call for him to be Steph's sidekick while Klay is down for the year.

--- praying for peace, love, and power

  

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67. "The problem is the lack of the Dubs' cap space"
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Even with KD leaving, the Warriors are going to be over the cap (please correct me if I'm wrong).

So they wouldn't be able to absorb Barnes contract unless he signed for the tax mid-level exception which for them is ~7M.

Barnes signing back with the Warriors would be weird. He'd be replacing the player the team replaced him with.

  

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111. "Gotcha! Scratch that idea!"
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https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/

What would happen with KD and Boogie off the books?

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22. "Eh. It’s a smart move. "
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Opt out of 25 mil to get a longer term deal for financial security. Someone will throw like 4/70 at him - and it’s less than 25/yr but a lot of teams have money this year. Who knows next year.

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119. "Yup. "
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16. "Net's shopping Joe Harris"
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40. "I want him to come back to the Cavs"
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62. "nvm, they drafted Windler"
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21. "FYI... 2019 NBA Free Agent Tracker"
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https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

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24. "People keep doubting the Lakers..."
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But I see a clear path to them building the best team in the league before the end of July.

Guys like Taj Gibson, Deandre Jordan, Robin Lopez, Trevor Ariza, JJ Redick, Tyler Johnson, Darren Collison, Pat Bev, Marcus Morris, Seth Curry, Trey Burke, Manimal...these dudes might take that one yr title run. Some of them are old enough (but still productive enough) to ring chase.

Those vet min and exception deals might end up being better than people think.

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25. "Folks actually want to trade for Bradley Beal..."
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Wiz got some things to think about.

It would be better if we had an actual front office though.

  

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29. "Guess they still waiting and wishing for Massai "
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>It would be better if we had an actual front office though.

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59. "Ted fucked that up royally. "
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He really looks like an idiot right now.

  

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31. "Wiz say they never had plans to rock with Masai...."
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https://twitter.com/Ryan_Cortes/status/1141447639189327878

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33. "LOL"
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34. "DLo going back?"
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This NBA "insider" on twitter is saying as much

_____________________________________

The Brand Pod
https://www.youtube.com/@themonarchbrand
https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/2023071.rss

The Life Pod
https://www.youtube.com/@thewaterpodcast
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35. "He’s more likely to swap places with Kyrie"
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37. "who? because I'd love that."
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38. "Nobody lol"
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36. "Bucks send Tony Snell and the 30th pick to Detroit "
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39. "I guess that messes up the CP3 trade"
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49. "ill take that!"
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Pistons will have a little less money next summer, and Snell has a player option for another year, but Leuer was a nonfactor and Snell is going to start

and after no 1st round draft pick last year, 15 and 30 feels like more than it probably actually is. good deal.

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41. "Celtics are holding all the Ls right now"
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though I did want them to go after Conley, Jazz beat them to it.

time for a J&J Reboot

  

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42. "Danny might've outsmarted himself."
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46. "Was Danny ever smart?"
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Thank about it. He was considered a joke before his friend and former teammate gifted him KG. That totally changed the narrative.


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51. "Exaactly lol..."
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>Thank about it. He was considered a joke before his friend
>and former teammate gifted him KG. That totally changed the
>narrative.

I hope McHale gets a percentage of his check every week lol

  

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43. "and it is sooooooo sweet."
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44. "You hate to see it"
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45. "Nets Cooling on Kyrie?"
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2841266-nba-draft-rumors-tracker-analysis-predictions-for-top-prospects-trade-targets#slide7

"Not so fast.

The Kyrie Irving-to-the-Brooklyn-Nets union seemed like a foregone conclusion for the last few days, but rumblings emerged Wednesday suggesting the Nets might pass.

"The Post has confirmed Brooklyn might have qualms about signing the enigmatic Irving if he isn't bringing the injured Durant with him," Brian Lewis of the New York Post wrote."

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47. "RE: Nets Cooling on Kyrie?"
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U beat me to it.....The Nets were basically using Kyrie as "clickbait" for Durant. Now that Durant is rumored to re-sign with GS they want NO PARTS of solo Kyrie....lol

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50. "Maybe they don’t want to ruin their team chemistry with..."
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a no defense playing ball hogging time-bomb.

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52. "Sounds about right"
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>a no defense playing ball hogging time-bomb.

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127. "Makes sense to me. A team-up thing, OK, maybe."
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But as a stand-alone guy it seems like a repeat of the Celtics move at best. I guess they could play Kyrie and Russell together as a combo backcourt.

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48. "VEGAN JAH OPTION PICKED UP! GOOD!"
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Nothing would please me more than to see Jah commit himself to improved defense and passing and find a permanent place in this league.

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57. "From BUST to a rotation guy, yay Duke!!!!"
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Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
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61. "you and Basa got to be all aboard the Pelicans 2nd line"
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right now right...

led by the Bruin Backcourt though..

Agendas-o-plenty

  

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66. "Shakes fists"
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53. "celtics are a fucking mess"
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Baynes signed his player option like two weeks ago and now they're trying to trade him. It's mutual because he signed thinking the Cs were contenders. jesus...

anyway,if they can trade Baynes, they get real close to max cap space (like that matters...ain't no one going to boston).

the good news is this basically means Smart/Jaylen/Jayson are THE core and they're fun to watch (but not contender quality) . but there is zero team around them now.

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54. "RE: celtics are a fucking mess"
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>the good news is this basically means Smart/Jaylen/Jayson are
>THE core and they're fun to watch (but not contender quality)
>. but there is zero team around them now.


Hayward is not going anywhere for a couple of years lol

  

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55. "So where do these guys land and on what type of deal:"
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Deandre Jordan
Harrison Barnes
Al Horford
Kyrie Irving
Tobias Harris (I think Jimmy stays not sure about Tobias)
Jonas Valanciunas
Trevor Ariza
Taj Gibson
Ricky Rubio
Robin Lopez
Terrence Ross
Thad Young
KCP
Rudy Gay
Rajon Rondo
Julius Randle
Nikola Mirotic
Dewayne Dedmon
Jeremy Lamb
Pat Bev
D'Angelo Russell
Demarcus Cousins
Born Ready
Marcus Morris
Markeiff Morris
Ed Davis
Elfrid Payton
Rodney Hood
Seth Curry
Jeff Green
Kelly Oubre Jr.
Derrick Rose
Terry Rozier
Lil Zeke
Tyson Chandler
Bobby Portis
Malcolm Brogdon
Tyus Jones
Thomas Bryant
Kenneth Faried
Wes Matthews
Enes Kanter

^^^I think these guys will determine a lot of the story lines of 2019/2020.

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56. "Suns trade TJ Warren to Indy"
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58. "I’m calling it Kyrie to the Knicks to play with RJ, Bags get Knicks..."
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pajamas out the bottom of the drawer

  

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60. "ugh please no"
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Gonna be hard enough to root for a bad Knicks team with one Duke player.

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63. "Hard pass"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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70. "Who kyrie??? Yeah, right."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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71. "Yes. Shitty attitude, no defense playing chucker?"
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Yeah he’s the exact type that would ruin their rebuild. He hasnt made one player better in his entire career. You think he’s gonna start now? FOH

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78. "It’s hard to believe but the Knicks have never had a good PG ever "
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Charlie ward mark Jackson and John starks were all bums


>Yeah he’s the exact type that would ruin their rebuild. He
>hasnt made one player better in his entire career. You think
>he’s gonna start now? FOH

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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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79. "Not true"
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Mark was good early on
Derek Harper was at the tail end of his career, but still good
And Steph was great when he first got there. The team went to shit though.

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123. "Starks was not a PG. Jackson was OK, not a bum or a star"
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Walt Frazier was that dude though.Michael Ray Richardson is slept on, he had some really good years in the early 80s. Marbury was aight still when he got there.

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64. "Portland trading Evan Turner to Atlanta for Kent Bazemore..."
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1143244996046282752

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65. "League exec says KD is 'really pissed' @ Dubs (swipe)"
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I generally have minimal investment in these types of headlines, but this KD take sounds way more accurate to me than the "oh yeah he's DEF staying w the team that rushed him back on the court" takes from a week ago

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2842500-kd-kyrie-met-twice-to-discuss-teaming-up-kawhi-still-has-nba-guessing?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

The bond between two players who have a history of relationships gone awry—Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving—could well determine the biggest winners and losers in this year's All-Star-rich free-agent market.

At the crux of the rising drama and uncertainty surrounding where some of the league's top names will ply their trade next season are signals that Irving is as set on playing for the Brooklyn Nets as Durant is bound for the New York Knicks. Which wouldn't create any problems if not for the fact that Durant and Irving have been plotting for weeks, if not months, to continue their careers on the same team.

So which scenario will prevail? Good question.

It hardly helps that both Durant and Irving have a history of being temperamental and, at times, enigmatic. Irving abruptly went from a preseason pledge to stay with the Boston Celtics to bluntly stating he didn't "owe anybody s--t" when asked again about his intentions in February. No specific reason has been given for his change of heart, although a source close to Irving points to a tiff with team president Danny Ainge about how Irving was attempting to lead the club. Irving also, at one point, pretended to sincerely argue the earth was flat. It's not exactly the kind of track record that engenders confidence when you're about to make him your highest-paid player and team leader.

Durant's reputation for being forthright, meanwhile, has never completely recovered from the discovery that he had a secret social media account through which he commented on his reasons for leaving the Oklahoma City Thunder as if he were a fan with inside knowledge—knowledge that Durant had previously publicly denied.

"Whatever Kevin is planning to do," says one league executive who has known Durant since he entered the NBA, "he is going to change his mind at least 25 times before he actually does it."

All of which makes it a challenge to handicap who will end up where. All that is fairly certain is that, eight days from now, more than a half-dozen NBA teams will scrap with one another for the right to hand out maximum-salary contracts to as many as nine players.

While Kawhi Leonard is the most highly sought free agent after winning his second Finals MVP with the Toronto Raptors and Durant is likely to miss all of next season recovering from a ruptured Achilles tendon, whether or not Durant and Irving make their vision of playing together a reality is expected to be the most important, if not first, domino to fall.

Weeks after he helped the Raptors win their first championship, Kawhi Leonard still has much of the NBA uncertain as to where he will land in free agency.
Weeks after he helped the Raptors win their first championship, Kawhi Leonard still has much of the NBA uncertain as to where he will land in free agency.Ben Margot/Associated Press/Associated Press
Let's sort through what we know as of now...

• Durant and Irving, league sources say, have met twice in recent weeks to discuss their desire to continue their careers on the same team, an idea forged while playing together on the U.S. national team. The first meeting took place in the Bay Area while Durant nursed a strained right calf; the second occurred in New York shortly after Durant had surgery to repair a ruptured Achilles tendon suffered in Game 5 of the NBA Finals.

• Questions that linger over whether the strained calf led to the Achilles injury, and if the Golden State Warriors made him aware of that possibility, remain unanswered. But the indication from several league sources is that Durant is not happy with the team, and the presumption is that it stems from whatever role Warriors officials played in his decision to suit up. Coach Steve Kerr says he was told Durant could not further injure himself by playing, which obviously proved not to be true. If Durant was told the same, it would give credence to the notion that, as one league executive claims, "He's really pissed off at the Warriors."

• Ever since Durant signed a two-year deal with an opt-out clause after one season last summer, speculation has run rampant, both inside and outside the Warriors organization, that he intended to leave the Bay Area, with team and league sources pointing to the Knicks as his intended destination. In an overtime loss against the Los Angeles Clippers in November, Durant and Draymond Green argued over an end-of-game decision by Green not to give Durant the ball. Green, later that same night, reportedly questioned Durant's commitment to the team. Although both players later insisted the dispute was overblown and quickly resolved, sources familiar with Durant's off-court business say Durant has since purchased a new home in New York and moved his belongings there.

Durant already has multiple ties to the Knicks. General manager Scott Perry was an assistant GM with the Seattle/Oklahoma City franchise when the team drafted him. Durant is the godfather to a daughter of Royal Ivey (Lyric Ella), a fellow University of Texas alum, former Thunder teammate and now a Knicks assistant coach. DeAndre Jordan, who played for the Knicks this past season and is also a free agent, is another Durant confidant. Rich Kleiman, Durant's agent and business manager, is also a New Yorker and a Knicks fan who allegedly has long dreamed of being part of the organization.

• Irving, meanwhile, also recently purchased a new home in South Orange, New Jersey, but league sources say he is pressing Durant to join him with the Nets and is trying to recruit Jordan as well. Durant did have his Achilles repaired by a Nets team physician, Dr. Martin O'Malley, but the New York Post's Mark Fischer quoted one of O'Malley's medical colleagues warning not to read too much into that.

• While sources close to Durant and the teams involved say neither the Knicks nor Nets are concerned about signing him to a maximum four-year deal even if he's unavailable most of next season, his injury has shrunk the number of teams interested overall. One league executive said the Clippers and Philadelphia 76ers, who were both at one point interested, have backed off their pursuit because they are focused on building off their playoff success this past season.

• Though Durant is the one who's injured, Irving enters free agency as damaged goods as well. The chemistry issues that undermined his current team, the Celtics, has executives throughout the league as concerned about his leadership skills as they are enthralled with his talent. Signing him as a package deal with Durant is far more appealing than doing so as a lone addition, where he would be the best player on the team, recreating the dynamic that failed so miserably in Boston.

The chemistry issues that plagued the Celtics this season have some NBA executives wary of making Kyrie Irving the leader of their franchise.
The chemistry issues that plagued the Celtics this season have some NBA executives wary of making Kyrie Irving the leader of their franchise.Michael Dwyer/Associated Press
• While the consensus is that neither Durant nor Irving intend to return to their current teams, the picture is less clear among league executives about where Leonard will end up.

While the odds-on favorites are the Clippers—fulfilling Leonard's supposed interest in playing where he grew up—one Eastern Conference vice president says the Raptors still have a "fighting chance" to re-sign him, while a Western Conference VP says the Lakers are operating as if "they think they have a strong shot" at adding Leonard after acquiring New Orleans Pelicans forward Anthony Davis to play alongside their incumbent star, LeBron James, in a deal that can't be officially consummated until next month.

To offer Leonard a max salary, however, the Lakers would have to push back the timing of their proposed deal for Davis to late July—which multiple reports state will not happen—or move additional players to open salary-cap room, which would then require a number of veterans to take league-minimum salaries to fill out the Lakers roster.

The Knicks, sources familiar with the team's thinking say, also believe they will get a chance to pitch Leonard on joining Durant in New York if Irving and the Nets strike a deal without Durant as part of it.

• The list of former or current All-Stars on the market grew with the report that Celtics center Al Horford is opting out of his contract and, as with Irving, not planning to return. The other key guys are Khris Middleton, Leonard, Durant, Irving, Jimmy Butler, Kemba Walker and Klay Thompson, although Thompson never expressed an interest in leaving the Warriors and is even less likely to do so after tearing his ACL in Game 6 of the Finals.

Speculation is that Horford has been made aware that a team is willing to give him a much more lucrative deal than the Celtics are, prompting his change of heart. The Pelicans, Clippers and Dallas Mavericks have all been mentioned as teams willing to make that promise, league sources say.

• More than a few of the players listed above, along with 76ers free-agent forward Tobias Harris, could land maximum-salary contracts—or terms close to one—in part because of their appeal in landing or keeping another bona fide max-salary player, several league executives say.

Tobias Harris may secure a max contract this summer partly based on his ability to lure another star to play alongside him.
Tobias Harris may secure a max contract this summer partly based on his ability to lure another star to play alongside him.Chris Szagola/Associated Press
The Knicks, for example, are not likely to offer Walker anything close to a max-salary deal unless A) they strike out on Leonard and Irving, and B) acquiring him is the link to signing Durant. Butler and Harris appear to be in the same pool: players who could command bigger contracts if signing them is a prerequisite for landing Durant or Leonard or keeping James happy. Similarly, the Bucks are expected to offer Middleton a max-salary contract to maintain their chance of keeping resident superstar Giannis Antetokounmpo when he enters free agency following the 2020-21 season. Thompson is almost certain to receive a max-salary offer, with the Warriors looking to persuade their fanbase the team will be (eventually) worth paying top dollar for tickets in its new San Francisco arena.

Which brings it all back to KD, who also developed a kinship with Butler on the national team and supposedly expressed a desire that they play together. Just as he supposedly told Thompson they had unfinished business after they suffered their respective injuries. Will these envisioned alliances or intentions become a reality? Which ones? In light of all the aspirations of players and teams alike, there's only one certainty:

Someone is not going to get what they had hoped for.

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68. "Woj firecracker...Rockets plan to pursue sign and trade for Jimmy"
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69. "LOL@Jimmy in HOU’s locker room "
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B/W Morey is an idiot.

The possible scenario for this to happen...is pretty far fetched

But it would definitely be entertaining

Jimmy leaving PHL would be a mistake

He’s our leader...until Jo/Ben mature into the role

We defer to him in must score situations

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74. "morey believes in numbers only. not people."
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idk how you can look at cp3 and harden and be like yeah i want to through jimmy motherfucking butler into that frying pan. that's a GREAT idea.

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76. "Doesn’t make sense for anyone involved, so Jimmy’s going to..."
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force his way to the Rockets to play 3rd fiddle to Harden & CP3 and watch them dribble the air out of the ball every night and where they already have drama?

And what player on Houston’s roster is Philly trading for?

  

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72. "PIPE to Lakers?"
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73. "who?"
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75. "OKS random nicknames are hella annoying, not everybody pays..."
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attention to your dumbass jokes

  

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77. "Not tryna get the pipe? "
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80. "people will eventually figure out that it refers to a random JR Smith..."
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DM that somehow got made public but wouldn't it have been easier to just type the player's name instead of trying to be cute?

I think its kind of weird for a grown man to call another grown man that anyway but we won't go there.

Like if he met JR Smith in person would he be like "What's up PIPE?" I guess some dudes actually asked him to sign a pipe so its not that far-fetched...: https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1049841

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83. "Take the stick outta your ass, 90% of people here know the PIPE joke"
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or you can use Google

  

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87. "I would say that number is far below 90%, like I said not everybody..."
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keeps up with your dumbass jokes and personal nicknames no matter how clever YOU think they are lol.

  

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81. "could definitely see that "
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82. "ever after what happened the last time he was in the Finals with Lebron?"
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85. "yes..."
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I'm sure JR and Bron have laughed that off over some expensive wine, already.

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84. "given the Lakers' salary situation, absolutely. "
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they'll need people on the cheap, he's played with LeBron; he didn't really play at all last season so who knows. I'm thinking it's a James Jones situation.

  

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86. "yep...Cleveland basically told him to go away..."
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he nutted up in that Finals and that's what folks will remember, but he knows how to play basketball...with Lebron...and he'll be dumb cheap.

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88. "JR in LA... how many games is he going to play not hungover?"
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89. "KD walking (or hobbling) away from the option. "
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Say what you will about the guy, that takes some big ones to walk away from $30M to just rehab.

  

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90. "I think he was opting out anyway whether he signs a long-term deal with...."
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GS or somebody else.

  

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91. "its an interesting choice"
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literally sit on that $31 million for a year and then handle contract situations next off-season.

but to sign a long term max when sitting for a year? his response would most likely be "do you know who i am" which is valid.

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92. "probably the smart move on his part"
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if he knows theres a couple of teams willing to max him out right now he needs to jump on it.

if he signs the option yeah he gets that $31 million now but depending on how his rehab goes theres a risk that teams aren't willing to give him the max next year.

  

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93. "agreed... GS has the Bird rights"
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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94. "I never thought he was leaving BEFORE the injury, now to do it and..."
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leave a ton of money on the table AND go to new franchise where fans won't be nearly as patient as they would in northern California...

unless he really thinks the Warriors fucked him over with this injury I can't see him leaving.

He COULD do another 1+1 deal but I think he wants to not fuck around and secure the bag now.

  

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104. "The insurance implications, he's not going back to GS"
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Had he opted in, they could have had insurance cover 80% of his salary since it was under an existing contract. With it being a new contract, they can't file a claim against it. It seems a clear indication that he isn't going back to them.

  

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95. "Rockets shopping Capela, Gordon and Tucker..."
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for a pick to flip for Jimmy - Woj/Zach Lowe

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96. "They plan on starting Nene at C...?"
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I guess they need to clear their next 3 highest salaries to bring Jimmy in...

...but then they literally have nobody else on their roster...

They trade those 3...get Jimmy back...they've got
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99. "This is very confusing to me."
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They like, just signed Capella to this contract last year right?

And he and Tucker are both basically underpaid in today’s NBA.

Jimmy’s going to get paid 10-12 million a season more than their contracts combined.

  

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100. "Desperation caused by a vulnerable Warriors."
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Even if KD and Klay both resign, they're both out for, at minimum, a massive chunk of next season. If there's a team in the West that was waiting for a break in the Warriors domination, next year is an easy window to target. Plus, with CP3 not getting any younger, it's win now now now. One could argue that next year, with a Big Three, is maybe the best shot they have with this squad.

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101. "Its dumb, Harden & CP3 we’re already about to tear apart the..."
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locker room apart, now you’re gonna drop Jimmy in there to play 3rd fiddle to those ball dominators?

Jimmy ain’t signing up for that lol

  

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97. "Marc Gasol takes player option to stay another year in Toronto"
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$25.6 mil for next season.

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98. "Smart move..."
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>$25.6 mil for next season.

  

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122. "was there ever any doubt he would?"
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that's a big payday for one year and some team will offer him a longer deal next year anyway. also related, they just won the nba championship

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102. "Woj just broke in on Get Up and said Boston and Kemba..."
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are basically locked in on each other for him to be there as soon as FA starts.

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Not as impressive but much more reliable and lower maintenance.

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105. "AD is waving is trade kicker per Woj. "
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106. "That plus this trade = Max slot"
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109. "No."
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the could stall on making a counter-offer tying up our money preventing us from making other moves.

2 as much as Russell showed last season a contract year he is still developing and we are trying to win NOW.

  

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113. "RE: DAngelo is going to thrive there...nm "
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This would be the smart move for the Lakers. D'Angelo will not cost "MAX" money.And it would allow the Lakers to get another starter-quality player.

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110. "You know bitch ass Woj clenched his teeth writing this tweet."
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108. "The Five Most Interesting Under-the-Radar Free Agents"
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Not every NBA team can land a ready-made superstar this summer. Here are five players (plus six more) who can make a big difference for a relative bargain.

By Dan Devine Jun 26, 2019, 6:45am EDT

NBA free agency kicks off on Sunday, and, if you’re reading this, it’s a good bet that you’re already very familiar with the most sought-after items on teams’ shopping lists. But you need more than a superstar or two to succeed in this league; just ask the Raptors, who a scant two weeks ago hoisted the Larry O’B powered by one true blue-chipper and a bunch of carefully chosen complementary pieces. Every team would love to add a Kawhi Leonard, a healthy Kevin Durant, or Kyrie Irving (or his talent, anyway). The difference between winning and losing, though, so often exists in the margins, and in the magic smart teams can make within them.

As we get set for this weekend’s feeding frenzy, let’s take a look at some below-the-fold types whom smart teams should be targeting, starting with low-key difference-makers in Indiana ...

Thaddeus Young
Power forward | Unrestricted free agent | Age: 31

OK, OK: I’m aware that focusing on a fill-in-the-blanks power forward on the wrong side of 30 who’s averaged 15 points per game only three times in 12 pro seasons removes all doubt about how thoroughly washed I am. But that doesn’t mean I’m wrong! Young is good, and probably better than you think.

The 6-foot-8, 221-pound forward is about as reliable as it gets. He has missed two games in the past two seasons and played in 73 or more in each of the past seven. He’s a dependable, versatile defender with the quickness to slide with guards and swingmen in space and the bulk to bang down low; save for Leonard’s work in the Eastern Conference finals, nobody’s done a better job of checking newly minted MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo in the past few years than Young.

Young makes his mark in the areas we often overlook. He keeps plays alive and ranks 10th among big-minute forwards in offensive rebound rate since coming into the league in 2007. He uses his length and quick hands to disrupt opposing offenses, ranking fifth in that group in steal percentage over that same period and finishing third in the league in deflections last season. He’s not an elite scorer, but he can bull his way to the basket and get you a bucket in the post. He’s not a playmaking stretch-4, but he can make the extra pass and hit a 3 off the catch. He’s a valued locker-room leader who has, just about every season, made his team better whenever he’s on the floor. Teams with a hole at the 4 could do a hell of a lot worse than looking to fill it with Young, a plug-and-play starter who does just about everything at a B or B-plus level.

Friendly suggestion: Jazz (if they move on from Derrick Favors), Celtics (if Al Horford’s out the door), Nuggets (if they decline Paul Millsap’s $30 million option)

Bojan Bogdanovic
Small forward | UFA | Age: 30

The Croatian forward opened a lot of eyes in the second half of last season while shouldering the burden of being Indiana’s no. 1 offensive option following Victor Oladipo’s season-ending quadriceps injury. He also helped the Pacers stay in the mix for home-court advantage in Round 1 until the dying embers of the regular season. After Oladipo went down, Bogdanovic averaged 20.7 points, 4.1 rebounds, and 2.4 assists per game, and posted a sterling true shooting percentage of 61.3 percent despite finishing more than a quarter of the Pacers’ offensive possessions. Only five players produced that combination of usage and shooting efficiency over the full 2018-19 season—four league MVPs and one of the most gifted big men in the sport.

Now, no one is saying that the 6-foot-8, 216-pound forward is about to join Giannis, James Harden, Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, and Karl-Anthony Towns in the ranks of the league’s elite offensive talents. But his ability to stroke the 3 and work off screens, threaten defenses both off the bounce as an emerging pick-and-roll operator and off the ball as a weak-side cutter, and credibly defend both frontcourt spots makes him an intriguing option for teams in need of firepower that lack the scratch to shop at the top of the free-agent market.

Bogdanovic will likely command a significant raise over the $10.5 million he earned last year in Indiana. (In a possibly related story, the Pacers traded for a new offense-first combo forward in T.J. Warren.) But for a team looking for a secondary creator with the juice to do more when called upon, Bogdanovic could be well worth the price.

Friendly suggestion: Spurs (if they can make a couple of moves), Lakers

Patrick Beverley
Point guard | UFA | Age: 30

Beverley is an attractive free-agent target because he can fit into a ton of different roster constructions. Just about every team could use an excellent on-ball defender at the point of attack, a player who can initiate offense, cede control of the action to a more dominant scoring force, and finish a play with a spot-up triple or a drive past a closeout.

He’d make sense grinding alongside LeBron James and Anthony Davis with the Lakers, or back with the Clippers as part of an evolved roster possibly built around a certain Finals MVP. He’d make sense for rebuilding teams with high-usage pieces already in place—say, next to Luka Doncic in Dallas, or Devin Booker in Phoenix, or the burbling young core in his native Chicago. It remains to be seen how long teams will be willing to commit to a hard-charging type with a lengthy injury history—Beverley has played more than 65 games just three times in seven NBA seasons (and he turns 31 on July 12). And it’ll be interesting to see whether Beverley, who has never made more than $6.5 million in a season, will prioritize title contention or making the top dollar in what could be his last chance to secure the bag.

Whichever route he goes, dudes who know their roles, never stop playing them, and hold their teammates accountable for doing likewise are worth their weight in gold—especially when they can stand toe-to-toe with immortals in the crucible of the postseason without blinking or backing down.

Friendly suggestion: Lakers, Suns, Mavericks, Bulls, Clippers, Celtics

Jeremy Lamb
Shooting guard | UFA | Age: 27

It went largely unremarked upon, because nobody really paid too much attention to the non–Kemba Walker Hornets last season, but Lamb just had himself a career year. Away from the prying eyes of the basketball-watching public, Lamb has become a versatile and vital complementary wing; the UConn product was one of only 21 players in the league last season to average 15 points, five rebounds, two assists, and a steal per game—a group full of All-Stars and highly touted youngsters headed that way.

At 6-foot-5 with a 6-foot-11 wingspan, Lamb can check a bunch of boxes for teams in need of a multifaceted solution at the swing spots. He’s not necessarily a lockdown artist, but he can reasonably defend multiple perimeter positions. He’s a legitimate threat spotting up off the ball, and shot 38.5 percent from 3 on catch-and-shoot tries in each of the past two campaigns. His shot accuracy on corner 3s last season ranked in the 99th percentile in the NBA, according to Cleaning the Glass. He’s also a viable secondary creator who can run some two-man game; Lamb finished in the 73rd percentile or better as the ball handler in the pick-and-roll in each of the past four seasons on a sample of more than 1,000 such plays, according to Synergy Sports Technology’s charting.

The Hornets obviously have bigger fish to fry in free agency. Charlotte already has nearly $98 million in guaranteed salary on the books before any potential new deal for Walker; if Michael Jordan backs up the Brink’s truck to bring Kemba back, the Hornets will be deep into luxury tax territory, and could have a hard time justifying the extra expenditure to keep Lamb in the fold. Food for thought for teams that might not be able to afford someone like Khris Middleton or Malcolm Brogdon, but could still use some help on the wing.

Friendly suggestion: Lakers, Pacers, Magic, 76ers (if they lose their max guys)

Tomas Satoransky
Point guard | Restricted free agent | Age: 27

Trying to sign another team’s restricted free agent is always a dicey proposition. Having your cap space tied up for two days while the incumbent team decides how to play things can mean missing out on other opportunities to improve your team, and if that team decides to match your offer sheet, you wind up with bupkis to show for it beyond maybe building some goodwill with an agent. If you’re going to target a restricted type to poach, though, it makes sense to go after a guard on a team that has already maxed out two of them. Washington will pay $65.2 million for John Wall and Bradley Beal next year, despite only one of them being able to play, and that number will only go up in the years to come. As a result, a Wizards front office still without a long-term GM might blanch at the idea of flirting with the luxury tax to lock in a third guard.

Despite that third-guard billing, Satoransky has proved capable of handling a lead role in the NBA. He made 84 starts in place of an injured Wall during the past two seasons and put up strong numbers in his stead, averaging 10.6 points, 6.1 assists, 4.3 rebounds, and 1.1 steals in 31.8 minutes per game, with 50/44/83 shooting splits. He’s not a top-shelf individual shot creator and is much more likely to shoot off the catch than off a live dribble, which can limit the amount of pressure he puts on a defense in the half court. But he’s a steady hand with good vision who makes smart decisions with the ball. He tied for 12th in the league in assist-to-turnover ratio in 2018-19, and is a bona fide glue guy who knows how to run a team unselfishly. (Never forget: #EverybodyEats.) At 6-foot-7 and 210 pounds, he’s got the size to help plug gaps defensively at either guard spot, and the smarts to be in the right spot in the team scheme more often than not.

Satoransky’s no star, but he’s solid, and at a position as critical as the point, that matters. Maybe, with Wall out of the picture for the foreseeable future and few other bankable ball handlers and movers in the mix, Washington can’t afford to lose him. But with the tax looming, an offer sheet with some teeth could force the Wiz to swallow hard and part ways with a high-floor table-setter who can also do damage spotting up.

Friendly suggestion: Pacers, Suns, Magic

Some Honorable Mentions

Julius Randle, PF, UFA

I’ll be honest: I still don’t know exactly what to make of Randle. There’s so much to like on the offensive end of the floor. Last season, he turned in a career year in New Orleans: 21.4 points and 3.1 assists in 30.6 minutes per game, a surprising 34.4 percent mark from 3-point range on almost three tries a night, looking for stretches like an unguardable Juggernaut rampaging in the open court to the basket. And then, well, there’s the other end.

ESPN’s real plus-minus graded Randle as one of the least helpful big men in the league last season; opponents shot 64.7 percent at the rim with Randle contesting, which landed him 40th out of 48 bigs to defend at least four up-close tries a game. Even so, he had a positive on-court/off-court differential last season for the first time in his career, and at just 24 years old, with his résumé as a scorer and rebounder, someone’s going to pay to find out whether he can put it all together and become a star. It just might not be a very good team.

Reggie Bullock, SF/SG, UFA

Everybody needs big wings who can shoot, and over the past four seasons, only 14 players who have attempted at least 500 3-pointers have shot ’em more accurately than Bullock. Things didn’t go so hot for him after he joined the Lakers at the trade deadline, but you’d be hard-pressed to pin that clusterfuck on him. Granted a stable role playing alongside facilitators who’ll know when, where, and how to get him the ball, Bullock, 28, seems a good bet to return to being one of the league’s best catch-and-shoot marksmen. And while he’s far from a shutdown defender, he’s got size (6-foot-7, 6-foot-9 wingspan) and enough athleticism to at least compete enough on that end to stay on the floor. He may yet be a central-casting shooter alongside LeBron in L.A.; the Lakers have his Bird rights, so they could go over the cap to re-sign him after making more moves to round out their roster. If he chooses to look elsewhere, though, he’d likely draw interest; he’d be helpful just about everywhere.

Terrence Ross, SF/SG, UFA

Once again: Everybody needs big wings who can shoot, and no bench player made more triples last season than Ross’s 217, a career high and the 10th-best mark in the entire NBA. In his seventh season, the 6-foot-7 former Raptor settled comfortably into a role as Orlando’s designated microwave, an inveterate gunner who started firing as soon as he checked in and didn’t stop until he checked out; only Harden, Steph, Eric Gordon, and kindred spirit Gerald Green jacked more 3s per 100 possessions. Magic president of basketball operations Jeff Weltman has said that keeping Ross and All-Star center Nikola Vucevic will be the team’s top priority this summer, but if Ross, 28, is cool with staying in that Human Torch role off the bench, he could be the sort of carry-the-offense-for-a-few-minutes option another playoff hopeful would love to have around.

Ricky Rubio, PG, UFA

Rubio’s time as the starting point guard in Utah ended as soon as the Jazz swung their deal for Mike Conley, a similarly heady playmaker who packs the 3-point shooting punch that Rubio has just never been able to consistently provide. His defensive aptitude, genius court vision, and passing flair still have value, though, especially for teams that could benefit by upgrading from underwhelming to simply solid at the point. Our Kevin O’Connor has reported that the Pacers, who leaned hard on Darren Collison and Cory Joseph last season, are interested in the 28-year-old Spaniard.

JaMychal Green, PF, UFA

The ex-Grizzlies big man made a seamless transition into the Clippers’ playoff rotation after joining the team at February’s trade deadline. That’s thanks in large part to the work he’s put into becoming a rare combination of floor-spacing and glass-cleaning; the 6-foot-9 forward last season became one of just six players in Basketball-Reference’s database to shoot at least 40 percent from 3-point range on 150-plus attempts and have a defensive rebounding rate north of 24 percent. Green’s also a smart veteran frontcourt defender who can moonlight as a small-ball 5 in a pinch—the Clips outscored Golden State by 15 points in 89 Green-at-center minutes in their first-round playoff series, which could make him more attractive to teams looking to add more two-way versatility in the frontcourt.

And One Not-Quite-Free Agent: Derrick Favors

Derrick Favors started 70 games for the Jazz last season, and helped Utah make its third consecutive trip to the playoffs with his bruising work as a screener, interior scorer, and paint-patrolling defender. A team built on its defense has maintained confidence in the viability of a Favors–Rudy Gobert frontcourt, despite the lack of 3-point shooting and floor spacing that combo provides and the challenges that can create in the playoffs. Favors also eats up center minutes when Gobert leaves the floor, ensuring that the Jazz have an elite interior menace on the court at virtually all times. He probably isn’t going anywhere.

And yet: It’s possible that the Jazz, seeing an opportunity to break all the way through to the top of the West given the chaos in Golden State and the addition of Conley, could explore options for more big-game hunting this summer. (Especially considering Utah traded Jae Crowder, its only real stretch-4 and a linchpin of its best lineups during the past two seasons, in the Conley deal.) One quick path to creating significant salary cap space to do so is waiving Favors before July 6, thus striking his non-guaranteed $16.9 million contract from the books. Of note: Tony Jones of The Athletic tweeted Monday that, while the Jazz love Favors, “he’s not a lock to come back” should Utah work its way into something interesting over the next few days.

If Favors shakes loose, expect a bunch of good teams to be in on him. The only reason Gobert’s defensive on-court/off-court numbers weren’t eye-popping during his second consecutive Defensive Player of the Year campaign is because Favors was so friggin’ good backing him up. Opponents shot just 50.1 percent at the basket with Favors defending, the no. 1 mark among 107 big men to face at least three such shots per game last season. He’s mobile enough to defend in space, too, while remaining an efficient pick-and-roll finisher, a mauling back-to-the-basket scorer, and an excellent rebounder on both ends. And he’ll turn just 28 on July 15, meaning you’ll still be getting prime years on his next contract.

Favors will probably remain a foundational piece of the Jazz roster as they try to get past the second round for the first time since 2007, and to make it out of the West for the first time since the heyday of Stockton-to-Malone. Just something to keep an eye on as things start to get wild.

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279. "bulls snagged 2 of the 5. nice."
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>
>Thaddeus Young
>Power forward | Unrestricted free agent | Age: 31
>
>OK, OK: I’m aware that focusing on a fill-in-the-blanks
>power forward on the wrong side of 30 who’s averaged 15
>points per game only three times in 12 pro seasons removes all
>doubt about how thoroughly washed I am. But that doesn’t
>mean I’m wrong! Young is good, and probably better than you
>think.
>
>The 6-foot-8, 221-pound forward is about as reliable as it
>gets. He has missed two games in the past two seasons and
>played in 73 or more in each of the past seven. He’s a
>dependable, versatile defender with the quickness to slide
>with guards and swingmen in space and the bulk to bang down
>low; save for Leonard’s work in the Eastern Conference
>finals, nobody’s done a better job of checking newly minted
>MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo in the past few years than Young.
>
>Young makes his mark in the areas we often overlook. He keeps
>plays alive and ranks 10th among big-minute forwards in
>offensive rebound rate since coming into the league in 2007.
>He uses his length and quick hands to disrupt opposing
>offenses, ranking fifth in that group in steal percentage over
>that same period and finishing third in the league in
>deflections last season. He’s not an elite scorer, but he
>can bull his way to the basket and get you a bucket in the
>post. He’s not a playmaking stretch-4, but he can make the
>extra pass and hit a 3 off the catch. He’s a valued
>locker-room leader who has, just about every season, made his
>team better whenever he’s on the floor. Teams with a hole at
>the 4 could do a hell of a lot worse than looking to fill it
>with Young, a plug-and-play starter who does just about
>everything at a B or B-plus level.
>
>Friendly suggestion: Jazz (if they move on from Derrick
>Favors), Celtics (if Al Horford’s out the door), Nuggets (if
>they decline Paul Millsap’s $30 million option)


>
>Tomas Satoransky
>Point guard | Restricted free agent | Age: 27
>
>Trying to sign another team’s restricted free agent is
>always a dicey proposition. Having your cap space tied up for
>two days while the incumbent team decides how to play things
>can mean missing out on other opportunities to improve your
>team, and if that team decides to match your offer sheet, you
>wind up with bupkis to show for it beyond maybe building some
>goodwill with an agent. If you’re going to target a
>restricted type to poach, though, it makes sense to go after a
>guard on a team that has already maxed out two of them.
>Washington will pay $65.2 million for John Wall and Bradley
>Beal next year, despite only one of them being able to play,
>and that number will only go up in the years to come. As a
>result, a Wizards front office still without a long-term GM
>might blanch at the idea of flirting with the luxury tax to
>lock in a third guard.
>
>Despite that third-guard billing, Satoransky has proved
>capable of handling a lead role in the NBA. He made 84 starts
>in place of an injured Wall during the past two seasons and
>put up strong numbers in his stead, averaging 10.6 points, 6.1
>assists, 4.3 rebounds, and 1.1 steals in 31.8 minutes per
>game, with 50/44/83 shooting splits. He’s not a top-shelf
>individual shot creator and is much more likely to shoot off
>the catch than off a live dribble, which can limit the amount
>of pressure he puts on a defense in the half court. But he’s
>a steady hand with good vision who makes smart decisions with
>the ball. He tied for 12th in the league in assist-to-turnover
>ratio in 2018-19, and is a bona fide glue guy who knows how to
>run a team unselfishly. (Never forget: #EverybodyEats.) At
>6-foot-7 and 210 pounds, he’s got the size to help plug gaps
>defensively at either guard spot, and the smarts to be in the
>right spot in the team scheme more often than not.
>
>Satoransky’s no star, but he’s solid, and at a position as
>critical as the point, that matters. Maybe, with Wall out of
>the picture for the foreseeable future and few other bankable
>ball handlers and movers in the mix, Washington can’t afford
>to lose him. But with the tax looming, an offer sheet with
>some teeth could force the Wiz to swallow hard and part ways
>with a high-floor table-setter who can also do damage spotting
>up.
>
>Friendly suggestion: Pacers, Suns, Magic
>

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115. "Stein: SAC intends to offer Barnes 4/$90 mil"
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117. "#FreeBagley #FreeGiles"
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118. "I absolutely love this deal."
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116. "Kings to offer Harrison Barnes 4/90 bag..."
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he who opts out first, laughs last.

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120. "Kawhi asking to meet with Jeanie AND Magic is peak shithousery"
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Really starting to like this guy. Just fucking with people.

  

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197. "Kawhi: "Wasn't y'all like friends with benefits in the 80s?""
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121. "Darren Collison retiring..."
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2019/06/29/darren-collison-sudden-retirement-stuns-pacers-teammates/39638581/

  

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125. "Here's how fuckin' dumb the 710 talk radio crew is"
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I had the recent misfortune of listing to Mason/Ireland in the car when taking my pops to an appointment. They were going through what role players the Lakers could spend cap space on if they didn't get a max guy. Both hyperlocal, under-studied dunderheads agreed that Melo would be a good option (LMAO). But that was a momentary discussion. The one guy kept pressing "DARREN COLLISON, a point guard who can shoot!" Now like a week later he retires. Do these guys even watch the NBA?

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128. "Mirotic going back to Europe..."
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https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nikola-mirotic-to-sign-with-euroleague-club-barcelona-walks-away-from-potential-free-agency-deal-worth-50m-per-report/

  

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131. "must've been unhappy in the US"
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he's only 28 and left a lot of money on the table.

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140. "Hmm they're saying 6 yrs/~70mil Euros"
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Easy choice if this is the case IMO https://as.com/baloncesto/2019/06/29/nba/1561827373_717645.html?id_externo_rsoc=comp_tw

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143. "my bad. makes sense then."
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''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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225. "Una porcion enorme de GUAPAMOLE"
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get that money, man.

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357. "He wasn't built for this league"
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soft ass

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359. "Wait I thought he was "the second greatest Euro ever" LMAO"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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129. "They’re saying Kemba to Boston is basically a done deal"
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132. "they should be getting killed for this"
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By the time Tatum and Brown turn into what Celtics hope they will, Kemba will be in decline. They’ve capped their ceiling at second round exit for four years, and they have zero big men on the roster and no easy way to get them.

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133. "I agree but don’t they still have a ton a draft picks to trade? Kyrie...."
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leaving has kind of being a forgone conclusion for a while. Despite a lot of big talk AD was a long shot for them all along.

I’m sure Danny had to have a plan B.

  

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134. "The Memphis pick is the only thing that might be worth a damn"
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If it doesn’t convey next year, it rolls over to unprotected in 2021. So they have a pick that has (back of the envelope math) a 10-20 percent chance of being top 3. Whoopdee damn do.

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135. "I was under the impression that they had all these “assets” to where..."
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Danny could pretty much go get whomever he wanted

  

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137. "currently fighting the urge"
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To write, like, a 30,000 word complete takedown of the Danny Ainge long con and the media’s support for it. Safe to say, if any other organization in the league mad a panic signing like Kemba, they’d be getting annihilated.

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138. "Cliff note version if his buddy Kevin McHale doesn’t giftwrap KG..."
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the “Danny Ainge is great GM” story is a joke. He probably still gives McHale a percentage of every check he gets or st least he should.

  

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139. "And he’s been chasing that trade ever since"
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All it’s landed him is Tatum, Brown, and young boy from Indiana they just took. What a damn genius.

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141. "Would be hilarious if the Nets reach the finals before the Celts"
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after getting "fleeced"

  

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142. "you forgot they overpaid for Hayward before his injury chasing..."
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another Great White Hope, his subsequent injury compounded that fact.

  

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231. "he didn't overpay him, he was coming off a great season"
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he got better year after year. a lot of gms would have given him that same deal, in fact just about any one in a position to do it.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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230. "uh he also hosed the fuck out of the nets, sixers and cavs"
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you're really pressed to discredit him.

even here when shit has all gone wrong (hayward injury, kyrie injury, kyrie departure) he is managing to sign a very suitable replacement for kyrie.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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217. "LMAO, what an expert you are"
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So if Kyrie left us and we didn't get anyone in return you'd be roasting us. But we got someone in return and it's still bad???

Tell me again why y'all traded for Butler to end up in the same spot and then let him go?

  

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130. "Kyrie/Brooklyn close to $141M Deal (Woj)"
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According to Woj.....

"Free agent Kyrie Irving is meeting with the Brooklyn Nets in New York on Sunday and both sides are motivated to move quickly toward reaching a 4-year, $141M deal, league sources tell ESPN."

"Once Kyrie Irving commits to a deal, Nets are expected to renounce All-Star guard D'Angelo Russell and allow him to become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell ESPN. Russell led Nets to the playoffs this past season. There's tremendous league-wide interest in Russell."

"The Los Angeles Lakers reached out to D'Angelo Russell's agents at CAA -- Austin Brown and Aaron Mintz -- to set up a meeting with the All-Star guard, league sources tell ESPN. The Lakers and Russell share a mutual interest in a reunion. Lakers have the cap space to sign him."

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145090324370530308

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136. "this is why I’m not on the “bring back Dlo!” bandwagon..."
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https://clutchpoints.com/3-reasons-the-nets-shouldnt-give-dangelo-russell-a-max-deal/

  

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144. "Wolves will give Wiggins the max if he "commits to improving." LMAO"
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https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski/status/894663591047155713

Genuinely the funniest fucking thing I've earned so far this offseason.

Just reminds me of the Team America scene in which she says she'll sleep with him if he promises he'll never die. He turns dramatically and promises he'll never die.

Wiggins is gonna mosey into that meeting, say he's committed to improving with a straight face, sign the max deal, and coast for the half-decade doing the same shit as always.

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145. "Woj is saying KD to the Nets"
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146. "Hearing Jimmy Butler wants to play for Miami"
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Just Kawhi left as far as team changers. As long as the Clippers don't get him, I'm cool.

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158. "Brogdon/Horford nm"
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>Just Kawhi left as far as team changers.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
http://40.media.tumblr.com/d8e2daf9f3f37244cd05436bcdf05973/tumblr_mt4qibKq4c1rgam01o1_1280.png

  

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147. "Mitch strikes again. 3/58 for Rozier. "
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What?

That team is capped out with NOTHING.

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17x NBA Champions

  

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148. "Marks FTW"
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What a turnaround of the franchise. I don’t believe in this trio for the chip but to take what they had when they were a laughing stock and flip it in just 3+ seasons to be able to sell these 3 on coming is a hell of a turnaround.

It’ll be a different team for Kenny to coach and I’m not sure he can do it— but to be in thIs position is all you can ask for

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149. "Broussard: Lakers in the lead for Kawhi....."
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150. "RE: Broussard: Lakers in the lead for Kawhi....."
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Broussard though

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151. "he's not the only one reporting it"
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152. "RE: he's not the only one reporting it"
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He’s the one you quoted though

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153. "broussard has cleaned up his credibility a lot imo."
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154. "david griffin's building a monster down in new orleans "
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250. "BRUH! Besides Philly, the Pelicans are legit winning the Team Building....."
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award for the summer of 2019. GSW, INDY, and BKN are serious contenders for the throne too.

Nicolò Melli
Derrick Favors
J.J. Reddick

Zion
Zo
Josh Hart
Brandon Ingram

I can see them becoming a legit FORCE in the next few years.

Griffin and Trajan Langdon are putting in some serious work.

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155. "D Rose to Detroit 2/15"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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223. "Potentially the best value of this FA class"
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If he plays like he did for much of last year for two years, that's a helluva bargain

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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156. "Ariza to SAC 2/25"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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157. "Damn. Brogdon got 4/85. "
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161. "That's basically what Oladipo got from OKC"
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IMO, rather have Brodgon for 4-yr/85 (21mill per) than Middleton for 5-yr/178 (36mill per). Brogdon outplayed Middleton in the ECF.

As long he stays healthy then it's a good deal for Indy considering Rozier got 3yrs/58.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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163. "Right..."
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>IMO, rather have Brodgon for 4-yr/85 (21mill per) than
>Middleton for 5-yr/178 (36mill per). Brogdon outplayed
>Middleton in the ECF.

  

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165. "He is worth more...being hurt probably cut into what he could get this t..."
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167. "He's a 2nd rd pick so that was the max he could get after a rookie deal"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
http://40.media.tumblr.com/d8e2daf9f3f37244cd05436bcdf05973/tumblr_mt4qibKq4c1rgam01o1_1280.png

  

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196. "Ahhh. "
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224. "Great signing for Indy, steal factoring in current level plus potential."
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Indy and Utah already had a good chance to improve simply based on healthier rosters, more consistency, etc. Now they both get really solid players in their rotation.

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159. "Rubio to PHX 3/51"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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226. "Helps their team, I think, if the big guns fire, they have support now"
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Saric, Johnson, Jerome and now Rubio all have well-defined roles on this team. It might be questionable to have started looking for role guys when they had a shot to draft a potential star, but their management went in that direction and they went in it decisively. I kind of like it.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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160. "KD and Ky together on a team that isn't the Knicks. GOOD. "
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164. "I'm farting in your general direction. "
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166. "Shout out to the max deal y'all are gonna offer Jeremy Lamb."
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162. "KD to BKLN. SMH."
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173. "RE: KD to BKLN. SMH."
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Word Dolan wasn't prepared to give him the max, even more smh. lol


edit: many saw this foolishness the same time

  

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182. "RE: KD to BKLN. SMH."
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>Word Dolan wasn't prepared to give him the max, even more
>smh. lol


Still can't get over this^^^^^^

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168. "Bogdanovic 4yrs/73mil to the 2020 Western Conference champs Jazz"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
http://40.media.tumblr.com/d8e2daf9f3f37244cd05436bcdf05973/tumblr_mt4qibKq4c1rgam01o1_1280.png

  

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169. "sixers have started discussions with rich paul"
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on a contract extension for ben simmons.
lol.
might as well.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145453388739596288

  

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227. "four-year max, lock"
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170. "Tobias stays in Philly for 5/180...Jimmy gone?"
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171. "Jim Dolan was not prepared to offer KD the max....LOLZ!!!!"
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177. "this would be completely unbelievable for just about everyone but dolan."
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172. "LMAO Dolan didn't even offer KD a max contract"
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https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1145471388356100096

he makes Reinsdorf look good

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180. "After what happened with Amar'e, I understand...."
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that is the only earthly reason you don't offer KD the max

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184. "The leak is a bad and petty look though."
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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191. "Leak?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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251. "RE: After what happened with Amar'e, I understand.... LIKEWISE!"
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An over 30 player coming back off of an Achilles tear...

That's tough from an investment perspective. It could literally be two years before he's back to 'normal'. By then, he'll be pushing 32 or 33 without the explosiveness he once had. Without another legit star coming, there was no reason to dive all in on KD.

"Dis a bidness. You ain't too far gone to see that."

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174. "Nerlens staying in OKC...hell yeah"
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198. "or...not?"
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199. "so, instead we sign Mike Muscala???"
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319. "Nerlens confirmed...whew"
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175. "Randle 3/63 NY"
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gonna take Knox's potential shine away UK on UK crime

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176. "Julius to the Knicks...3/63"
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178. "it's gonna be HILARIOUS when Kyrie is hurt when KD gets"
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back on the court LOL.


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179. "Junkyard.... Junkyard.... Junkyard!"
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Big Bad Junkyard Ju going to rock with Kev and Young RJ.

They're gonna turn it around.

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181. "Wonder why there's a hold-up on announcing Klay's deal."
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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183. "Not mad at Dolan for this one"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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185. "Taj Gibson to the Knicks...2/20"
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189. "Great veteran presence for this young team."
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And he's from NY? Happy for him.

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195. "Love this. Glue guy with skills to mentor Knox, Mitch and Randle"
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228. "Bridge player. They quietly have decent frontcourt depth now"
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Gibson, Randle, Knox, Portis and Robinson. Not shabby, even if there is no huge star there.

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186. "Woj: Jimmy taking his talents to South Beach"
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187. "Horford 4/109 philly"
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188. "wow really? Can he and Embiid play together?"
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190. "Horford could play 4 no?"
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Start Tobias at 3.

  

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192. "RE: Horford could play 4 no?"
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I wouldn’t play both together a lot but it’ll allow them to reduce Joel’s minutes

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194. "With Horford opting out of the kind of money he did I feel like he..."
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knew he already had a deal in place

  

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229. "they didn't give Al over 100 Million to bring him off the bench"
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I think it all fits..


  

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239. "I agree, OR they know something about Embiid"
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309. "I think they'll play together some but more apart"
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Basically it'll be a situation where they are never off the floor at the same time. They'll split them up as much as possible but obviously with both guys playing north of 30 minutes, they will be on the floor together as well. Let's see if it works for finishing games. A lot of this depends on what Harris can do--do we get peak Harris or shitty playoff Harriss--and if some of these other guys can find ways not to let their men double JoJo. Simmons is on that list--he's likely to be guarded by an athletic guard or wing with good length--but so too are their assortment of no-shot wings like the last two guys they drafted in the first round. Can those guys move enough to keep their man from sagging into the paint? Can they find any shooters in the vet min market? There are so many questions for the Sixers now BUT they did diversify here by keeping Harris and essentially plugging in two guys in Butler's place in addition to having Thybulle and a healthy Smith.

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202. "Horford is a pick-n-pop guy.....who's going to be his dance partner? "
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Unless Harris can be a consistent 20-25 guy in the playoffs they are going to struggle to score since he's their only other scoring threat besides Embiid. Even ReDick caused havoc w/ his movement & was able to be a dance partner for Embiid.

Right now it looks like a million postups for Embiid & that's not going to work in end of game situation where Butler thrived.

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232. "Why not? Tito has played plenty of four. He also slides over."
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A big thing was that Philly had no capable backup center and consequently their on/off splits for Embiid were AWFUL, especially on defense. So not only can they play together, the time they are split up might be the most valuable part of this deal.

The problem here is Horford's age. Years 1 and 2 better be damn good because year 3 is looking iffy and year 4 is going to be a challenge to unload his expiring deal possibly. The upside is that Horford has never depended on his ability to run or jump, so his game should age pretty well, much like Tim Duncan's did (not to compare their level of play but rather their lack of reliance on athleticism).

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193. "Horford gave Embiid problems in the playoffs two years ago"
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I would think they could play together in a lot of situations. Horford’s got some versatility to him.

We know Embiid isn’t playing anywhere near all 82, so it helps having the depth inside too.

  

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205. "Embiid played worse against the Heat in the '18 postseason"
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200. "DLO to the warriors in a sign and trade for the max"
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203. "I was actually wondering if something might happen in a S&T but still......"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2699230&mesg_id=2699230&page=#2700626

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201. "DLo to the damn warriors. Wow. "
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204. "Cold move by the Warriors...."
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Klay moving to the 3 ...

  

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206. "Curry still has 3 All-Stars so #NoExcuses"
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> Klay moving to the 3 ...
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211. "He doesn't need any"
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212. "RE: He doesn't HAVE any"
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FIFY

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207. "It ties up a lot of cap space though"
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They just sent iggy to Memphis.

I wonder how they’ll fill out the roster

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208. "They clearly don't care about defense, Boogie about to whoo-ride"
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>They just sent iggy to Memphis.

I'm assuming he gets bought out & signs w/ the Lakers or Rockets.

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236. "less cap space than a max deal for KD though"
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iggy gives them flexibility. i am sure the buyout or flip is coming for iggy. memphis made the deal for the pick, GS made it for the lux tax savings.

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209. "Speechless "
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210. "Dynasty Reloading "
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216. "Better not room w/ Wardell otherwise Ayesha is going to be devastated"
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213. "This move ain't it chief"
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I'm assuming they're not done, but overall they took a step in the wrong direction IMO. I'm a DLo fan tho so I'm glad he landed where he did

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234. "It was DLo or nothing. You want a top 10 FA or you want nothing?"
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That was their choice. They can figure out the fit or if they move him later. For now they got relief during a full-scale disaster given the injury/departure of KD and the injury of Klay.

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302. "Y'all right, I somehow missed that it was a S&T"
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Thought they'd work on depth this offseason, then in 2020, bring someone in like DeRozan for when Klay gets back. They did the right thing here

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310. "it sounds like they're finna trade DLo anyway"
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let's see what they get back.

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318. "bout to flip that boy like a Whopper patty..."
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just didn't want to lose KD for absolutely nothing. I did it...but, man did it cost.

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243. "Lol they lost durant. There isnt a move to replace that"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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244. "we could've gotten nothing out of this"
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instead we get DLO


this is only a win

  

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233. "Great move, able body and keeps their bottom line high"
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Losing a player for nothing when you're way over the cap is the kiss of death. Not a great fit positionally long term maybe but for now he gives them an able body with some talent while Klay recovers. If they can't make three guards work, well, it's better to have his contract as an asset than not. Big time move by Myers here.

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238. "Good I didn’t want him back in LA, he’s doesn’t play defense "
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245. "This fucking sucks"
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257. "so, DLo will be on the move again, this summer...wonder where he lands"
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259. "Hope the Wolves can be in play"
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They had a meting with him yesterday. As long as we don't have to give up Covington, I don't give a shit who we're trading.

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261. "KAT seemed to think it was happening, at one point, yesterday"
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274. "LOL, had me so hyped when I saw that"
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214. "Knicks CRUSHING the Power Forward market - Bobby Portis"
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2 years, 31 million.

  

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215. "Randle/Portis/ > Mase/Oakley"
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>2 years, 31 million.

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218. "curious moves...."
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I mean you signed Portis and Randle to all that just to bring one of them off the bench??

and I thought I saw they signed Taj Gibson..

not sure what they're doing

  

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235. "they are still very much shaping their team"
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getting deep up front with a couple of trigger happy guards seems smart.

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287. "Looking more deeply at this, it is a flat-out terrible signing"
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Bullock was a suspect signing. Gibson was overpaying for intangibles/tutelage. Randle was a good signing. This one is indefensibly bad.

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219. "Is this just the FAgency post now? Because almost everything is done"
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221. "Like I said, Rox made a mistake leaking all this shit to the media"
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They made everyone available publicly and there was no fit to actually make their team better. Now they drag the same core and same coach forward, only with the bitterness of all that spectacle. Dumb.

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222. "I wanna dump on the Knicks but I think they might have lucked out"
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If they had gotten a mercurial Kyrie and a version of KD that will be out one year, spend another year getting back up to speed and then maybe be as good as he was, would they really contend?

Here they get Randle and they are forced to, gasp, actually build a team! It was time to stop dicking around with quick fixes and do a true build to erase 20 years of bad faith. Now they get that opportunity.

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237. "lol, I'm sure the fanbase is OVERFLOWING with confidence"
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>Here they get Randle and they are forced to, gasp, actually
>build a team! It was time to stop dicking around with quick
>fixes and do a true build to erase 20 years of bad faith. Now
>they get that opportunity.

The problem is this front office and ownership are so toxic on the whole, we know there is 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of doing absolutely *anything* with a true build. They haven't signed a first round pick of their own to a second contract since CHARLIE WARD.

Their only realistic chance was to make giant free agent splashes, the type that are completely toxic ownership-proof. They didn't do that.

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241. "Only chance? Nah... best bet is what they’re doing."
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Draft well, develop that talent and don’t overpay for players during free agency.

That’s a much better option.

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248. "I agree, I don't see any big time free agents going there as long as..."
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Dolan is the owner, I feel bad for Fizdale though

  

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249. "We did great yesterday and are in position to keep our assets in the fut..."
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We have young talent up and down the roster with some experience mixed in, and a great coach who is in sync with the front office. I look forward to the improvement.

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253. "I'm not a Knicks fan but I do like that they are building a team rather ..."
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rushing out for them quick fixes. I've watched them with interest since I lived in Jersey back in the day (early 90s).

Stack the team with nice, talented, experienced, and tradeable assets and pair them with the young draft picks you've made in the last couple of years.

This could legit be a different run for them.

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262. "... but they DID rush out for big free agents, lol."
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They just whiffed on literally all of them. The talk the entire season was “we’ll immediately pursue big name guys.”

So it’s not like they’re actually going to do a slow build. They’ll make another huge push next year to max whatever stars are out there.

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264. "the fact that they felt they had to issue a statement..."
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not long into free agency, let's you know they are aware that this didn't happen the way they wanted it to.

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275. "They've got fans to appease. They owned up to their mistake and..."
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>let's you know they are aware that
>this didn't happen the way they wanted it to.

seemingly hoped fans would recognize this sort of transparency which may allow them to keep the Gahden filled to capacity while they are building.

They missed out and are now doing what they can to build slowly - Plan B. Prior to 6/30/19, they essentially stated that they would do this.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-knicks-weighing-considerable-one-year-offer-for-demarcus-cousins-if-they-miss-on-kevin-durant-report/

It's crazy that the one time they are actually making a smart and risk-averse move, as opposed to the risk neutral stance they've often taken, they're being crucified. Maybe they've turned a corner. We'll know in a year or two.

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303. "... but every move they're making indicated they *aren't* moving slowly."
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>They missed out and are now doing what they can to build
>slowly - Plan B.

What they're doing instead is signing a bunch of Dudes to 1 or 2 year deals, so that next year, any of these new signings (a) are gone or (b) are valuable expiring contract deals to trade. They're not trying to do things a new way-- they're just kicking the ball down the field so they can tank for another season and then hope to allure these big names on the next go around.

Or, to put it another way, they've signed... what, Randle, Ellington, Bullock, Payton, Portis, and Gibson so far? In two seasons, guaranteed that, at *most*, one of those guys is still a Knick. They aren't trying to build at all. They're just trying to tank again.

Which is fine, mind you! Tanking is the move. Let your roster of mostly non-shooters chuck endlessly, win 25 games, go back to the lotto, chase big names again next offseason.

I just don't like that the media spin right now is "the Knicks are doing things differently!" I mean, yeah, maybe in that they didn't sign Jeremy Lamb to a 5 year, 95 million dollar deal or whatever. But they shouldn't get a cookie for some shocking stylistic shift that isn't happening. They're doing the only thing they *can* do if they want to keep fruitlessly chasing big free agents in perpetuity. Which is what they have done and will always do.

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317. "Man, trust the process. They're Philly-lite!"
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That's all I got, Frank! It just seems better than what they'd been doing when they struck out in the past.


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272. "True. I didn't quite capture what I wanted to say in that..."
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They didn't rush out after they whiffed on the big name (or three) they went after. They've paid some decent money to a few guys who will help to make them competitive over the next few years when they'll know what they have in Knox and RJ. By then, they may be able to attract the type of free agent superstars again to partner with the young guys they'll be grooming over this period.

Missing on KD isn't as bad as it may seem. I understand the reticence shown in the alleged offer made to KD.

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304. "Charlie's post said we lucked out."
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seems to be in harmony with what you are saying.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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312. "Sure-- I just don't see the Knicks ever doing a "slow build.""
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Like, even if they have that opportunity now, there's zero chance they actually do that. So regardless of them getting "lucky" now, they're still terrible and they still won't pursue building a team the smart way.

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266. "I mean they wanted quick fixes but now have to face reality"
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and maybe, just maybe, that's for the best.

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268. "no doubt they have a toxic situation but maybe it's improving"
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a lot of people took the 'zingis departure as 'zingis making them pay for their past sins. maybe dolan will fall back slightly. i mean he does almost nothing with the rangers and they are successful, he meddles like crazy with the knicks and they do nothing. maybe that finally sunk into his thick skull.

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242. "Basically"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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246. "completely agreed"
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263. "a proper rebuild is their fall back plan, though"
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And I don't know why Knicks fans would believe that front office is actually capable of doing a proper rebuild.

Realistically, they're lost and they only real hope is that some flower rises through the concrete sidewalk that is their organization.

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289. "Having thought about this, I am ready to dump on them after all"
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If you look at the actual value of the dollars they dished out, it's probably about 50% of what they paid.

Randle is a fair deal, especially in an open-market context.

Gibson's production does not match up in any way with his salary but they bring him in as a bridge player/exemplary vet, yeah, OK.

Portis is just as unproductive and they are paying him 50% more. Terrible signing.

Bullock is a little better but not a good signing, Ellington I guess is sort of defensible but not really.

Going back to the Mozgov/Deng signings and now this slew of irrelevant contracts, I don't get why teams waste their cap space. Just roll it over, especially if you have no big-name FAs for the following summer (in the Knicks and Lakers cases, they had no big names at all). Just pay the fine to hit the cap floor and KIM to another summer where you might find a legit use for the cap space.

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305. "they are all 2 year deals."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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314. "I'm aware but even so I don't love them"
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Portis is young enough that maybe they can off his deal in a pinch, but GMs are way smarter than they used to be and will see his value is pretty weak. Those other guys can't be moved. So they basically go into a two-year holding pattern. For what reason? I dunno, I feel like they are not sure where to go from here even though the path has been illuminated for a traditional rebuild.

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247. "that locker room fucekd before KD laces them up "
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252. "I think Kyrie learned from his time in Boston, people forget he’s only..."
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260. "only "
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270. "you should be worried about your $40mil pg getting exposed next year"
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254. "I have zero idea how this Sixers thing plays out"
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Like, basketball teams need guards and three pointers, right? Ben and Toby as the prime initiators isn’t good enough, right?

On the other hand, they might be able to talent themselves past any concerns and win a title. The fifth best player on this team is Josh Richardson. Jesus.

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325. "I see LOTS of turnovers with Embiid being force fed "
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>Like, basketball teams need guards and three pointers, right?
>Ben and Toby as the prime initiators isn’t good enough,
>right?
>
>On the other hand, they might be able to talent themselves
>past any concerns and win a title. The fifth best player on
>this team is Josh Richardson. Jesus.
>
>

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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255. "Lakers in play for Iggy, Seth Curry & Danny Green"
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those would be really great complementary pieces (with or without Kawhi).


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256. "doesn't Memphis have to buy Iggy out first?"
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258. "yes - but all signs are pointing to that."
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273. "Seth Curry to the Mavs"
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4 years $32 mil

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276. "Curry's out."
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Danny Green will leave if Kawhi does, but I don't think we can afford both.

Iggy...sure, I guess. But we need that big domino to fall otherwise things are getting a little dicey to fill out the roster.

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265. "MIA keeps making moves: Whiteside to POR for M. Leonard, Harkless"
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267. "Had to get Hassan away from Jimmy "
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269. "They are also still trying to move Dragic. Mavs almost took him"
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but the paper wasn't straight.

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271. "how could they beeee MO HARKLESSSSSSSS???"
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277. "I think that was posted in the draft thread one year."
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And every time I see his name, I ALWAYS think about it.

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278. "lol...damn"
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281. "same"
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i don't think i saw it here, just put it together on my own... but yeah, every time.

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288. "I hope Jimmy learns to STFU"
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Old sound bites resurfacing about him never wearing a Heat jersey

Recent sound bites about how important winning is to him and his decision

Yeah...STFU.

In the end, we traded RoCo and Saric for Josh Richardson...I'm okay with that

Good luck to Jimmy, he's gonna need it.

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321. "Wait...what? We're only getting Richardson?"
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I expected a throw in or 2, maybe picks...but nothing...feels like we got hosed

Or Jimmy really is that much of a pain in the ass.

Brand's 1st offseason at GM is a big ? to date

I hope the rook balls out, Richardson develops and Tito remains healthy...but dayum...that feels like a big ask today.

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330. "The LAC got Harkless and a 1st round pick..."
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But didn't give up anything...?

This trade is bizarre.

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280. "Been cookin' with the pot, Seth Curry with the shot (c) Mark Cuban B"
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Seth to the Dallas John McCains.

Four years, $32M

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282. "That seems like a great deal."
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$8 mil for a knockdown shooter is nice.

I had hoped the Lakers could snag him with the MLE if Kawhi came but can't blame him for getting a nice contract - though I think he's still quite undervalued and would have expected $9-$10/per.

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283. "you guys'll get someone good at the MLE"
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with more than 200 FA's this year there's going to be tremendous value there.

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292. "He's pretty specialized and the market factors limited him"
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A good team would probably pay the $10M to space the floor (Sixers, Lakers, among others have issues with that right now) but they don't have the money. How much is a team like Dallas going to shell out when they are spreading that money between multiple mid-level-ish guys to fill out their roster? Not a premium.

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284. "Can we talk about how insane that was"
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Malcolm Brogdon and Scary T got insane contracts, and Twitter didn’t even have time to make fun of them.

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285. "? Aren't they coming off rookie contracts"
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I thought those contracts were pre-determined

4/$85M is not overpaying for a 50/40/90 guy...

The Rozier contract is definitely an over reach...but it's Jorn/Hornets...clowining their signings isn't really fun anymore

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286. "Brodgon's deal seems okay."
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Rozier is a Mitch special, I guess.

I knew they were getting paid but Middleton and Tobias' deals look sideways as fuck to me.

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293. "lalalalalala i'm not listening lalalalalalala"
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*stone face* 180 million dollars for tobias harris is totally reasonable. a veritable bargain.

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290. "Brogdon's deal is not insane. It's open-market. He's good, getting bette..."
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Brogdon is bankable for 15/5/4 playing under 30 minutes a night, and he can defend. He's 26 years old.

Extend his minutes a little and account for some room to improve, he's a 20/6/5 guy who plays D and has positional versatility. He's also an excellent fit for the Pacers. I wouldn't make fun of that, I think it was one of the five best signings in free agency this year.

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295. "the nba universe has a hard time accepting that pretty good dudes"
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can be overpaid. that's what's gonna happen with brogdon. he's a solid player who now makes way, way, way too much. just remember i said it.

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297. "Show me guys doing let's say 18/5/4 making substantially less"
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That doesn't even take into account his versatility or defense or the fact that he fits very well with Indy. Let's do it just on the most common figures. They have to be guys who were eligible for contracts since the new CBA (so nobody in the final year of a deal or on a rookie deal). I'll wait.

It's a good signing, period.

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294. "I like Brogdon's contract better than Middleton's"
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296. "I do too, Brogdon gives you more things"
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Middleton is borderline one-dimensional and goddamn did he come up small in the playoffs.

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291. "What were the WORST deals? Rozier, Barnes and Portis for me."
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Rozier at $58M? For what? A couple hot streaks in the playoffs two years ago? He is pretty much terrible and the Hornets continue to be one of the worst organizations in professional sports.

Barnes gets someone to repeat the mistakes of the very, very, very recent past.

Portis at $15.5M is a terrible value, at least it's only for two years and I guess he's kind of young are the only things I can say in its defense. Gibson will probably have the worst production/dollar ratio but at least there they are getting a guy to bring along their young bigs.

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298. "Horford..we're eating the last 2 years of that contract"
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I like Al

seems like a great team guy

and he's made himself into a modern NBA big

but at 33Y.O., with a history of injuries

and putting up already nominal numbers for that salary

13/7 =/= $25M, IMO

I'm also of the opinion that he won't fit with Embiid on the court

...but again, he seems like the type of guy that will do everything in an attempt to figure it out...

In the end, we're paying $109M, for 2 years at backup C

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301. "Fit is OK but yes good chance that he's only good for two years"
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On one hand, his game is not predicated on running and jumping. Much like Tim Duncan, the things he can do are about positioning, technique, strength and smarts. That said he has a couple serious injuries (well) behind him and he misses a dozen or so games a year pretty consistently. Embiid is never going to be a guy who plays the full 82. So that's a little concerning.

If they can somehow get two really good years out of him or three decent years, I'll take that. The final year of a contract always put it in play for a team looking to shed salary, and today teams aren't just getting rid of bad contracts (some are ducking luxury tax, preparing to give players raises a year later or clearing space for UFA market).

So I'm not ready to put him on the list yet--especially because he killed the Sixers with Boston and now they bring him in--but you're right he could very easily turn out to be a very bad signing.

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306. "I thought Horford was CRAZY for opting out of that last year for $30mil...."
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I guess that's why I'm not an NBA agent lol

  

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307. "any time you can get a multi-year deal, you should opt out"
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i am a little surprised he got the full four years though. i figured he'd get like 3/75-80.

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308. "apparently there were several teams willing to go 4 with him"
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his game will age well imo

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311. "oh yeah i am not saying he shouldn't have gotten it but ..."
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based on some recent deals like millsap we've seen teams take that final year off and he seemed like a good candidate because of age.

i think his game has/will aged well, too. he has always played the floor game and a heady game. his major injuries are behind him. you've gotta expect him to miss 10-15 games a year but that's not unusual. the issue will be is if those 10-15 games coincide with the 10-15 that JoJo seems like a lock to miss also.

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313. "The Rozier deal is utter lunacy."
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315. "JORN"
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326. "He's the new Harrison Barnes"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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316. "Damn shame. He sorry."
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>Rozier at $58M? For what? A couple hot streaks in the
>playoffs two years ago? He is pretty much terrible and the
>Hornets continue to be one of the worst organizations in
>professional sports.

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299. "Kanter to the Cs, 1+1 at $5M per (player option)."
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300. "God I can't wait to sweep them in the first round"
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322. "I can't wait for Kanter and Embiid to go at each other all year."
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Gonna be HILARIOUS.

  

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334. "Portland gave him six minutes to decide"
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Why?

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335. "Dame refuted this on Twitter..."
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said he was there and it was actually 45 minutes...still short but, I guess Portland had to quickly decide with the Hassan White thing happening, too.

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338. "Thanks for that"
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I guess everything was moving pretty fast and furious

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320. "Jordan Bell agrees to a deal with Minny"
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323. "I like him. Shame he'll be stuck on that team. "
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333. "Don't talk shit about Tyus"
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324. "Change of scenery might be good for him he seemed to fall out of favor....."
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in GS for whatever reason

  

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328. "that’s what was reported but I feel like it had to be more than that"
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329. "Woj: There’s no market for Cousins "
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Sheesh.
https://twitter.com/TheWarriorsTalk/status/1145931160612007938

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331. "Sad that all of the keepin' it real shiggidy from earlier in his career,..."
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>RE: Woj: There’s no market for Cousins

along with the last two injury-filled seasons, seem to be biting him in the arse. Just a couple years ago, dude was possibly going to get a MAX deal.

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390. "I dont exactly buy this "no market" line though"
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No *good* team is going to pay him any more than the vet min and at any rate he had a freefall from his value before that season with New Orleans. But if he puts himself on the open market he'll get a decent, short deal.

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336. "Lakers need to get Boogie, Melo, JR, Lance, and Rondo at the least."
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Wish they had gotten Fredette too #redeemteam

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337. "And keep Tyson Chandler also?"
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>RE: Lakers need to get Boogie, Melo, JR, Lance, and Rondo at the least.
>Wish they had gotten Fredette too #redeemteam

I think those sort of dogs are needed especially if you can get them all to buy-in.

Interesting roster...

Bron
AD
Kuz
Troy Daniels
Alex Caruso
Boogie
Melo
JR
Lance
Rondo
Tyson Chandler

What else do you add?


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339. "I’m just not a fan of Cousins at all"
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341. "What a fucking nightmare roster that would be, lmao."
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They need shooters to space the floor, first and foremost. After that, they need secondary ball handler types and perimeter defenders. Guys who play good team ball and know their role.

I’d offer Boogie the minimum and take a flier that he recovers fully, because he can shoot and pass when healthy. *Maybe* Rondo, tho this team really doesn’t need non-shooters imo. After that, those others can kick rocks. JR is washed. Melo is hyper washed. Lance is only interesting on paper.

Guys I’d genuinely look at who I think are still available, none of whom are world beaters or even great options on their own, but all of whom could offer shooting/defense/team value: Justin Anderson, Trevon Bluiett, Trey Burke, Quinn Cook, Keenan Evans, Jerian Grant. Tyus Jones would be PERFECT, but he’ll likely get matched by the Wolves. Corey Brewer may be washed but he’d play the role well. Christian Wood could get a flier for the min, same for Lance Thomas, same for Wenyen gabriel if he’s available— guys who could be 3/4 stretch options.

Just don’t take old washed bummy ring hunters who used to be terrific. Look for PIECES. Especially if Kawhi comes. Just guys who will know their role, embrace it, and be good at it.

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346. "In the end, it should look something like this:"
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With Kawhi:
C-Bogut/Chandler/Faried/Williams
PF-Brow/Markieff Morris/Dudley
SF-Bron/Marcus Morris/Aminu
SG-Klaw/Danny Green/Daniels
PG-Rondo/Quinn Cook/Caruso

Bogut, Chandler and Faried all don't need shots. They can get a timely bucket here and there, are experienced and 2 of the 3 are good defenders. Faried can provided a little youth and athleticism when needed but is mostly depth in case one of the other two go down and he can also back up PF. Minutes break down 20/15/5.

Markieff and Marcus might relish playing together for a ring and both are great in back up roles. Marcus could be the small ball 3 when Bron slides to 4 and AD plays C. Marcus is also a decent shooter and competent defender. Aminu would be defensive depth and additional athleticism. Basically, a wing version of Faried.

You add two decent shooters behind Klaw. Decent defense from Danny Green as well. Rondo isn't a scorer but he'll get the big 3 tons of shots and the transition game would be devastating. Quinn and Caruso are both competent back ups that shoot decently. Quinn being very solid with deep playoff experience.

Without Kawhi:
C-Boogie/Chandler/Williams
PF-Brow/Markieff Morris/Dudley
SF-Bron/Marcus Morris/Aminu
SG-KCP/Korver/Stephenson/Daniels
PG-Dragic/Rondo/Caruso

In this scenario, you need another scorer so Boogie would be the 3rd of the big 3. You also try to work out a trade with Miami if they are still looking to unload Dragic. You have the cap to absorb his contract ($19 mil expiring next summer) and should get Cousins on the cheap. Rondo/Cousins/Davis played well together in NO so adding Bron to that should only enhance it. Cousins will likely have a bounceback year as he's trying to reestablish his value. While you lose some defensive prowess, the offense would still be pretty good.

Korver is the designated shooter as you probably don't get Green without Kawhi. Stephenson adds a wildcard factor on both O and D that you might need at SG without Kawhi.

This scenario also allows for flexibility next summer to open up the max slot again and search for an upgrade (or retain boogie if he balls out).

I think both of these teams are title favs with the former being more so.

Everyone I named should be available for the vet min or a mid-level exception.

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347. "Forgot Iggy was considering them too"
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Can swap out some of the back up SG's for him.

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340. "Dudley to the Lakers on a 1-year $2.6m deal"
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I like it.

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343. "not mad at it...but we need to get a PG "
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here at some point..

it's slim pickens at PG right now...

but Dudley will help...

  

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344. "just hope Caruso doesn't get a bigger offer than Lakers can afford"
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345. "Why not run it back with Rondo?"
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>RE: not mad at it...but we need to get a PG

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history with Vogel plus he’s an LA guy.

  

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342. "Cauley-Stein to the Warriors for the low is another solid move"
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he should enjoy himself there...

  

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366. "Great fit for them even if I am kinda disappointed by him"
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He is the kind of versatile defender that thrives in the GS system. He will learn a lot from their staff and Draymond.

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348. "Noah Vonleh to Minnesota on a one year deal"
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I guess?

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349. "Kawhi isn’t coming, is he"
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351. "RE: Kawhi isn’t coming, is he"
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Magic and them talk too much. I've heard others wondering if his camp is waiting to see what leaks. Hearing nothing from Clippers or Raptors may end up being good for them

  

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352. "Heard a good amount from the Clips too but yeah. "
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Magic can’t shut the hell up. SMH.

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354. "I knew he was jerking us around that's why I said in the Laker post..."
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that we should have used the rest of our cap space to build a solid supporting cast around Bron and AD and that would've been more than enough to contend now we are left with scraps.

All that asking to speak to Magic bs? for what?

  

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355. "And who would you have signed for the deals they got?"
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I contend we wouldn’t have wanted any of those FAs outside of the obvious max ones for their deals.

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358. "if i'm wrong, i'm wrong, so be it..."
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but as soon as i heard that toronto was getting the last pitch, i was convinced that he was staying.

masai just different, yo. real g's move in silence. shout out to magic's twitter tho.

>we should have used the rest of our cap space to build a
>solid supporting cast around Bron and AD and that would've
>been more than enough to contend now we are left with scraps.

i agree. rob a genius tho. put some respect on his name!

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365. "Who was really available that was worth taking the risk? b/w Trades"
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If the Lakers whiff on Kawhi, there are still deals to be made. As we have seen in all three capped leagues--NFL, NBA, NHL--cap space itself can be very much an asset. The Lakers don't have much to offer in trade--they have only three roster players and gutted their draft picks by trading two and tying up more as protection backup/pick swap possibilities--but they have cap space so they can absorb deals and give back only cash or second rounders. They can get guys on short terms that way and they probably won't be much worse quality than the Seth Currys of the world, the type of player that we're sitting here lamenting that they missed out on.

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356. "I still think he'll ultimately be a Laker"
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368. "Stephen A sources say its a done deal..."
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this is frustrating. lol

  

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350. "People got jokes for the Knicks, but let's be real"
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they are taking the same steps right now the Nets did to get out of the hole they were in. So while Netsmania will be sweeping the league in a season or two while Knicks are on their Squidward outside looking in... I believe they're making the right moves right now. They got RJ, signed Randle, got a lot of solid, functional vets on short deals. They'll be back in it once the clock runs out in 2 years.

RJ is gonna be their new "Melo" only with Paul George intangibles and none of the NyQuil. And I think that will count when the time comes.

Fuck Dolan in the goat ass, but being on the losing end of FAgency doesn't mean complete despair.

- I'm on board with Cuz to the Wiz in the interim, hope it happens

- look out for the Indiana Pacers and the Utah Jazz.

- Celtics took huge symbolic Ls but they'll now need to lean on their "Young Legends" for real now. Kemba fits that team more than the Young GOAT does IMO... and because of that, the agendas will be firing full barrel. I'm not taking the bait. That Baynes trade look hasty AF though

- no comment on Lakers. Do what you gotta to make it a choice for Kawhi, but the Lakers need role players on that team, and fagency has eaten most of the good ones up

- the GOTDAMN Warriors. Steph Slander Season is about to kick in to high gear, but they did what they needed to. Re-up Klay, Re-up Looney. Drafted well. Got D-Lo and WCS. Watch these motherfuckers be an annoyance next season regardless

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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361. "RE: People got jokes for the Knicks, but let's be real"
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You could have probably stopped with "they got RJ and Randle" because those are the positives. They also have some decent young guys like Knox and maybe you can throw Robinson and Smith in there, maybe. But I get the sense that a Gordon/Villanueva or Deng/Mozgov type offseason in the horizon for them if the team loses and doesn't draw great. I thought the same thing as you but my gut just won't let me trust it.

Cousins could land any number of places. The idea that there isn't *any* market for him is wrong, there just isn't a market among *good* teams where he can make any sort of significant money at all. DC has needed a center seemingly since the departure of Wes Unseld.

Definitely agree on Utah and Indy. Utah under-achieved a bit last year and now they got better with Bogdanovic and Conley, though a bit thinner in the frontcourt perhaps. They took big swings in the draft but they probably won't pay off immediately if they connect. Indy is gonna be a fuckin' problem because they still have two solid bigs on the upswing, a healthy Dipo and now Brogdon. Same great coaching staff, too, I was a little worried they might lose an assistant.

Boston, I dunno, I think Walker is a nice fit and they have some addition by subtraction going on with Rozier and even Irving. But their frontcourt is ass, man, really booty. How can they match up with the likes of Philly, Toronto and Indiana?

Lakers will get first pick of the veteran scrap heap which means Iggy, Danny Green and others. Also you get the sense that Boogie is keeping a vet min deal with the best possible team in his pocket as a last resort.

I was surprised the Dubs un-qualified Cook but I guess he was talking big dollars to actually sign or there was an offer sheet in the works. Overall given the catastrophic developments of the finals, I'd say they did really well.

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367. "No "maybes" in front of Mitch's name"
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>They also have some decent young guys like Knox and maybe you can throw Robinson and Smith in there, maybe.

He's the real deal, and a much better prospect than Knox.

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369. "they absolutely don't match up with them"
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>Boston, I dunno, I think Walker is a nice fit and they have
>some addition by subtraction going on with Rozier and even
>Irving. But their frontcourt is ass, man, really booty. How
>can they match up with the likes of Philly, Toronto and
>Indiana?

Philly lost Jimmy which was a bit of a bummer but retaining Tobias and adding Horford (which for at least 2 years will be a quality signing) kind of makes up for that. They were the best team in the East bar Toronto... I think they're my East favorite if Kawhi doesn't stay. Even so, they have a chance more than anyone else.

Horford >>> Kanter, so Philly is probably gonna crap on them.

>Lakers will get first pick of the veteran scrap heap which
>means Iggy, Danny Green and others. Also you get the sense
>that Boogie is keeping a vet min deal with the best possible
>team in his pocket as a last resort.

>I was surprised the Dubs un-qualified Cook but I guess he was
>talking big dollars to actually sign or there was an offer
>sheet in the works. Overall given the catastrophic
>developments of the finals, I'd say they did really well.

Yeah. They didn't bleed anymore than they could have given the circumstance. the

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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371. "Sliding doors: How the Knicks did and did not botch free agency (SWIPE)"
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27106207/sliding-doors-how-knicks-did-did-not-botch-free-agency

Tim Bontemps

NEW YORK -- This is not how things were supposed to play out for the New York Knicks.

For much of this past season, there was a steady drumbeat of anticipation that this summer would finally represent a sea change for the franchise. This was the year things were supposed to be different.

But it wasn't.

Even worse, Knicks fans were forced to watch as Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving -- the tandem rumored to be eyeing Madison Square Garden as home -- decided to set up shop across the bridge in Brooklyn.

In the wake of their disappointment -- and following an apology to their fans -- the Knicks spent little time mourning their loss. Instead, in the span of about 20 hours, New York went out and spent $92 million in guaranteed money on short-term deals for six players: guards Elfrid Payton and Wayne Ellington and forwards Reggie Bullock, Julius Randle, Bobby Portis and Taj Gibson.

But the question remains: After missing out on their primary targets, was this a prudent course of action by the Knicks, or not?

The case for New York's moves
For weeks now, the Knicks have been communicating the same message: They were going to chase the top-tier free agents. And if none of them was going to come, they were going to avoid handing out long-term contracts to lower-tier players.

It was a path that seemed informed by mistakes of years past (see: Joakim Noah in 2016 and Tim Hardaway Jr. in 2017). And from the moment free agency began, the Knicks seemed determined to stick to it.

When the franchise knew it wasn't getting anything more than a conference call with Durant and his business partner, Rich Kleiman, on Sunday, general manager Scott Perry made sure he was on a plane to Los Angeles to conduct several meetings with free agents the Knicks hoped to land in the event no stars arrived, including Randle and Bullock.

That helped allow the Knicks to line up all of these moves less than 24 hours into the free-agency period, setting up a roster that is now two deep at every position. They also brought in multiple veterans (Bullock, Ellington, Gibson) with strong reputations to help mentor New York's plethora of young talent, led by RJ Barrett, Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robinson.

While they're not All-Stars, the veteran additions should help the Knicks be more competitive. If there is anything events of recent free-agency periods have taught us, it is that players are interested in going to proven, good situations, where a positive direction is clear. Even the Los Angeles Lakers team LeBron James joined was coming off a 35-win season, more than double the win total of last season's Knicks.

As painful as it might be, the Knicks should look at the Nets as a blueprint. In the span of three years, Brooklyn went from a team with no young players, no draft picks and no hope into one beating New York out for Durant and Irving. The Nets did that by hitting a lot of singles and doubles, slowly improving their team and their position, setting themselves up to make the splash they did in free agency this week.

Are the Knicks going to be a playoff team next season? No. As a result, they should still get at least one more bite at another high lottery pick to continue remaking their roster. But even as that remains the case, they can start to take steps in the right direction. And in doing so, they can stop trying to rush the process along.

The idea that playing in Madison Square Garden -- or any of the other tropes presented through the years -- would lure players to New York has been proved false. Here is what will draw players to New York: competent management, a burgeoning talent base and winning basketball.

With their moves Monday, the Knicks maintained salary-cap flexibility, and gave their young talent a group of veterans to lean on and coach David Fizdale a roster he can mold into a recognizable style of play and identity that could prove attractive to players in the future.

Does that make losing out on Durant and Irving sting any less? No, of course not. But it does provide a road map for the Knicks to finally get themselves out of this never-ending abyss -- a process that should have started in earnest years ago.

Now it's time to see whether they can follow the directions.

The case against New York's moves
Back in March, Knicks owner James Dolan was confident.

"Look, New York is the mecca of basketball," Dolan told The Michael Kay Show. "We hear from people all the time, from players and representatives about who wants to come. We can't respond because of the NBA rules, etc. But that doesn't stop them from telling us, and they do. I can tell you, from what we've heard, I think we're gonna have a very successful offseason when it comes to free agents."

And, in those four sentences, everything that has led the Knicks to this point over the past two years was laid bare for the world to see.

For the better part of a year, the Knicks have been selling a vision of hope for the future. The franchise finished with the NBA's worst record, leading fans in the tri-state area to spend the season watching Duke games and dreaming of Zion Williamson in blue and orange.

And Dolan wasn't the only one selling it.

"It's much more about the perception of the organization," Fizdale said after a morning shootaround in Boston on Dec. 8. "What I think we've done together with Steve and Scott and Mr. Dolan and myself and all our staff is we changed the perception of how we operate and treat each other and what's important."

Instead, the Knicks didn't win the lottery -- something they had only a 14 percent chance of doing, thanks to the flattened odds from the NBA's 2017 lottery reform. Then they didn't come close to signing any stars, leading them to put out a statement Sunday night:

"While we understand that some Knicks fans could be disappointed with tonight's news, we continue to be upbeat and confident in our plans to rebuild the Knicks to compete for championships in the future, through the draft, targeted free agents and continuing to build around our core of young players."

That statement was a far cry from Dolan's comments a few months earlier.

So despite the prudence of the individual moves the Knicks have made since missing out on their primary targets, they don't deserve a free pass for their mistakes leading up to Sunday. They could have been cautious, and they could have stressed the unlikelihood of an impending superteam. Instead, they were brash and confident -- and it blew up in their faces.

Meanwhile, what happened this week can't be discussed fully without circling back to the decision to trade Kristaps Porzingis to the Dallas Mavericks in February. The Knicks have stressed ever since that doing so wasn't about clearing cap space this summer. The front office said it wanted to invest in players who wanted to be there, and that Porzingis did not. There were concerns about Porzingis' injury history, including the torn ACL he spent this past season recovering from.

And they did get enough of a return -- two future first-round picks, Dennis Smith Jr. and the shedding of multiple large, multiyear contracts -- that the deal, like the moves the Knicks made this week, can be justified in a vacuum.

But nothing at 2 Penn Plaza ever happens in a vacuum.

Remember: The Knicks haven't had a single first-round pick get a multiyear second contract with the franchise since Charlie Ward, who was drafted 25 years ago. That fact -- which demonstrates how bad the Knicks have been at identifying, developing and retaining talent in the draft -- shouldn't excuse New York from missing out on future draft compensation in salary-dumping trades.

Despite already having six first-round picks over the next four drafts, this team needs as many assets as it can possibly get. More first-round picks are more bites at the apple, more chips to throw into potential deals down the road. The Knicks could have gotten involved in the trades that sent Maurice Harkless to the LA Clippers (as part of the Jimmy Butler sign-and-trade to the Miami Heat) and Andre Iguodala to the Memphis Grizzlies (as part of the D'Angelo Russell sign-and-trade to the Golden State Warriors). Both the Clippers and Grizzlies landed future first-round picks for their trouble. The Nets made similar moves -- and drafted key pieces such as Caris LeVert and Jarrett Allen, among others, as a result.

Perhaps these picks will wind up having low value. But facilitating these bigger trades were shrewd moves by the Clippers and Grizzlies, acquiring useful players on expiring deals with room that wasn't going to be better spent elsewhere.

To remake this roster and dig out of this hole, the Knicks have to utilize every tool at their disposal. Climbing back to the top of the NBA won't be easy. Doing so while limiting their avenues of improvement will make it that much harder.

--- praying for peace, love, and power

  

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353. "The corpse of Chandler Parsons sent to Atlanta"
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Grizz getting back Miles Plumlee and Solomon Hill.

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363. "Seems like a good move for ATL, cap dump"
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Plumlee and Hill had two years left on their deals and Parsons is expiring, right? I didn't look but I think that's the case.

I don't understand how teams "can't reach a buyout" with a player. Any savings is something or just bite the bullet and pay the guy his last year's check. You'd rather take on two shitty contracts instead?

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360. "Mudiay to Utah for one year is a low key steal"
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I hate how many good moves they're making.

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362. "Management and coaching there is excellent"
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It's not an easy situation as they aren't overflowing with money or FA appeal, yet they keep on truckin'

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364. "Markieff Morris to Detroit"
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Great, great depth signing. Gonna be weird seeing Markieff there after Marcus was there for 2 years. Pistons are setting up something for the deadline. They are flirting the line between rebuilding and building around Blake pretty well. They can take this either way depending on how things go.

  

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370. "Lakers should sign National Champion Quinn Cook."
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410. "LONGODAMUS!"
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My movies: http://russellhainline.com
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372. "Josh Jackson heading to Memphis"
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1146514603767152641

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391. "Just how sorry is he? They basically paid to get get rid of him"
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Korver will never see the court there and they won't get anything for him. Basically they gave up two second-rounders to dump a guy that they invested the No. 4 overall pick in just two years ago.

I get that his numbers are a little hollow like a lot of guys getting decent tick on bad teams, but Jesus Christ.

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392. "I remember the usual OKS “college basketball experts” hyping him up"
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373. "I'm gonna need the Bucks to go ahead and pick up Korver"
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375. "sheeeeittt...Kyle flew directly to L.A. and started condo shopping"
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376. "damn. We need a legitimate "white guy shooting 3 pointers""
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377. "Everyone needs that. At the office, at home, at Chili's,"
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you name it.

We all need a white guy shooting three's.

  

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378. "Jalen is saying Kawhi is going back to Toronto 2/yr deal not sure if..."
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the 2nd year is an option probably so

  

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379. "Jalen is connected but honestly it seems like nobody knows anything. "
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382. "Like I said I never really bought into the idea of Kawhi signing up to....."
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3rd fiddle to Bron and AD after coming off a Finals MVP performance?

Was he going to in sit in the corner and spot up while Bron & AD ran the p&r in crunch time?

It just didn’t make sense.

  

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384. "And again - who would you have signed?"
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380. "s/o to adam silver and the nba for giving us these male soap operas"
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every summer now.

shit legit might be the most captivating entertainment for me right now.

ive been sitting through espn morning programming on a daily basis...which i havent done in lord knows how long.

  

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381. "Next summer will be weak you got what AD & Draymond?"
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Dray and Bron are low key hella tight too

  

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383. "maybe kawhi again on the opt out? (if he stays with toronto)"
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iono.

im sure the writers will figure out something.

  

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386. "On espn they were saying if Kawhi goes back to Toronto Danny Green..."
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would come to the Lakers, if Kawhi comes to the Lakers Danny Green would probably go to Dallas

  

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387. "If KL stays, DG stays "
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388. "yeah, that's what I thought, too..."
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I was listening to Get Up this morning when they said that and it didn't make sense to me....so Danny is waiting on KL decision and if he goes to LA, he signs with Dallas...but if KL stays in Toronto, Danny leaves anyway??? What???

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389. "The way I took it was DG wants to be in LA but not for a minimum..."
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deal which is what he would be on if Kawhi came there.

  

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393. "He has a bag waiting for him and Toronto can go over the cap to keep him"
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So...yeah

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394. "How the fuck do you 'postphone' a trade???"
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Rob Pelinka was like, "Awwww shit, man I left my wallet in the car! Let me go grab it!"

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395. "thunder causes ships to stock up on nyquil. "
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pg to clips.

  

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396. "could this be the GOAT fagency?"
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397. "The Knicks gotta be the most pissed in all this, both LA teams..."
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got multiple stars and they got Julius Randle.

Oh yeah the Nets too

  

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398. "Where does Russ end up?"
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399. "Would be be a good fit in Miami with Jimmy?"
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400. "Love that Kawhi had everyone wrong"
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Broussard looks like an idiot today, had the breaking news yesterday morning that Kawhi torn between Lakers and going back to Toronto, Clippers were out.

Jalen looks like an idiot with his 99% certainty Kawhi signs 2 year deal with Toronto.

This move is great tho, especially if he wins a title there would do way more for his legacy than winning alongside Lebron and AD. He's back in LA where he wants to be, PG is back in LA, can't hate on this at all.

  

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401. "Woj, ALLUVEM! NOBODY saw this coming."
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402. "PG immediately requesting that trade LOL"
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Can’t blame him

  

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404. "Sooooo AD didn’t sign an extension right? Lol...."
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my guy might get the fuck up outta there.

This fuckery they’re surrounding him with.

Declined his trade kicker so the Lakers could overpay an army of bozos?

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405. "RE: Sooooo AD didn’t sign an extension right? Lol...."
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>my guy might get the fuck up outta there.
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>This fuckery they’re surrounding him with.
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>Declined his trade kicker so the Lakers could overpay an army
>of bozos?

And go where?

  

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407. "Do you know who his agent is?"
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409. "You were saying?"
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Boogie AND rondo.

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Dr Claw
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408. "The SPURS saved the NBA again."
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ShawndmeSlanted
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411. "BOogie joining the Lakers"
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Reeq
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412. "him and ad reunited could be a problem."
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Cold Truth
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417. "The reporting is that AD is the one who convinced him to come."
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I recall them working well together and having a solid relationship.

Could be wrong though.

  

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Reeq
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420. "i meant it as a good thing. a problem for the rest of the league lol."
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427. "Correct, and idk how more ppl aren't seeing this"
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Rondo as well. Although he's 33, I don't see why he can't do something similar for this team that he did for NO

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ThaTruth
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413. "Russ may be on the move"
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Dr Claw
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414. "now this is interesting. I do NOT want him going to the Knicks"
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the Knicks have work to do, and this is their one chance to do it.

Miami, on the other hand...

  

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ThaTruth
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415. "RE: now this is interesting. I do NOT want him going to the Knicks"
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>the Knicks have work to do, and this is their one chance to
>do it.
>
>Miami, on the other hand...

I think Miami would be a good fit

  

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Kira
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416. "Dolan trying to acquire Russ, allegedly"
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Heat are want in on the conversation as well.

Looks like Russ about to leave OKC. He might as well because it's time.

  

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ThaTruth
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418. "Marcus Morris to the Spurs 2yrs, $20mil fuck Pop"
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ThaTruth
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419. "what's the deal with Avery Bradley? At former 2-time all-defense team..."
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member is barely mentioned now. Did he fall off at age 28? He was making $7-8mil a year and now he's looking for a minimum deal.

Yesterday Jalen was talking how the game comes fast at a lot of people.

DeMarcus Cousins was selected as the starting center in west in the All-Star game 2 years ago. This offseason he was struggling to find work before the Lakers signed him. He's 28.

IT averaged almost 30ppg a few years ago and finished top 5 in MVP voting, he just signed a minimum deal with the Wizards. He just turned 30.

Then of course there is future Hall of Famer Carmelo Anthony who appears to still can't find a job at 35 years old. And unless he is desperate for money he might as well retire now so he can go into the HOF with Wade.

  

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421. "He was really bad last year."
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Don't think it's much more complicated than that.

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426. "he was bad 2 years ago"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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422. "Bradley different than the other cases"
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IT and Boogie got hurt

Carmelo aged overnight

Avery Bradley got bad RIGHT in his prime Lol

  

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ThaTruth
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423. "That doesn’t make sense..."
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>Avery Bradley got bad RIGHT in his prime Lol

Did he forget how to play basketball?

  

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424. "Oh I'm with you. Don't make sense to me either. "
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>>Avery Bradley got bad RIGHT in his prime Lol
>
>Did he forget how to play basketball?

IJS his case different than the others


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425. "Brad Stevens"
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He loved playing for Brad. Credits him for his growth as a player.

  

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