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"Cool, so Melo still best college freshman ever? (Yes, we doing this)"


  

          



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Kareem
Apr 02nd 2019
1
did he even play as a freshman?
Apr 02nd 2019
4
      lol
Apr 02nd 2019
10
      No. Freshmen weren't allowed to play.
Apr 03rd 2019
30
Michael Beasley
Apr 02nd 2019
2
Beasley close. But nope. n/m
Apr 02nd 2019
3
KD better
Apr 02nd 2019
5
Yes.
Apr 02nd 2019
6
AD
Apr 02nd 2019
7
Easily had the most help....the lockout scared some kids into staying
Apr 02nd 2019
11
      He was a better player on a better team.
Apr 02nd 2019
12
           Perfect in Kendall Marshall getting hurt and Fab Melo suspended, too
Apr 02nd 2019
13
                Re-read the 2 names you just wrote.
Apr 02nd 2019
14
                     AD's team literally had the #1 and #2 pick in the draft. So, no.
Apr 03rd 2019
15
                     So you come in here with balloons cuz Zion didn't win a title...
Apr 03rd 2019
16
                          LMAO. Brotha. AD was barely #1 scoring option on that team.
Apr 03rd 2019
21
                     Cousy Award winner and BE defensive player of the year
Apr 03rd 2019
17
                          Woooooah not the Big East Defensive Player of the Year!
Apr 03rd 2019
18
                               Nah, Syracuse went 30-1 regular season in the best conference
Apr 03rd 2019
19
                               Lmao... strong contender. We were the best team from the beginning to th...
Apr 03rd 2019
20
                               Nah, UK barely beat Louisville who Cuse beat twice
Apr 03rd 2019
24
                                    OMG... y'all were in the Top 5?
Apr 03rd 2019
25
                                         I didn’t even start the thread, I’m not the only one who thinks he d...
Apr 03rd 2019
26
                                         Really good for a Syracuse team.
Apr 03rd 2019
29
                                              How many times Kentucky gone 34-3?
Apr 03rd 2019
31
                                                   Lmao! They've won at least 34 games quite a few times in my lifetime
Apr 03rd 2019
35
                                                        Quite a few? Like 3? 4?
Apr 03rd 2019
38
                                                             Geez... you gonna make me research now. 6. Happy now?
Apr 03rd 2019
39
                                         Doesn't deserve? LMAO. What more could Melo have POSSIBLY done?
Apr 03rd 2019
27
                               Its not close. Melo legitimately CARRIED his team. No debate.
Apr 03rd 2019
22
                               Kentucky only beat UNC by 1 point, at home.
Apr 03rd 2019
23
                                    1 point, at home before the New Year. Freshman get better.
Apr 03rd 2019
28
                                         Both teams got better over the year
Apr 03rd 2019
32
                                              Nah... they would have definitely won.
Apr 03rd 2019
36
                                                   Think what you want, but saying "definitely" is absurd
Apr 04th 2019
43
                                                        How is that interesting.
Apr 04th 2019
47
                                                             Because it proves regular season wins don't predict tournament wins
Apr 05th 2019
58
                                                                  Freshman get A LOT better from the beginning of a season...
Apr 05th 2019
60
                                                                       Not provably true
Apr 05th 2019
63
                                                                            Kendall Marshall got so much better from yr 1 to 2, that UK beat him..
Apr 05th 2019
64
                                                                                 UK won by one point at home.
Apr 06th 2019
66
It's Magic - 17 PPG, 8 RPG, 7 APG
Apr 02nd 2019
8
Magic and Kenny weren’t even All Americans as freshmen, which is crazy
Apr 03rd 2019
33
Probably Wilt. He averaged 30 and 18 his first year of college.
Apr 02nd 2019
9
He's not but if he were, no one would care.
Apr 03rd 2019
34
Lol I do!!
Apr 04th 2019
51
hold up, Anthony Davis shot 1-10 in the national title game?
Apr 03rd 2019
37
Yep... and still found a way to contribute & lead his team to a W.
Apr 03rd 2019
40
Lulz. You're such an embarassment.
Apr 04th 2019
41
RE: Yep... and still found a way to contribute & lead his team to a W.
Apr 04th 2019
44
      ^^^^he was playing with a bad back too
Apr 04th 2019
45
this is what you call "damning evidence"
Apr 04th 2019
42
To be fair, his defense absolutely changed that game.
Apr 04th 2019
46
      OKS had a post about it
Apr 04th 2019
49
      He was a fabulous role player that game. No disputing that.
Apr 04th 2019
50
           "Role player" feels reductive. He was the National Player of the Year.
Apr 04th 2019
52
                1-10 is a terrible Ben Wallace impression in THAT game.
Apr 05th 2019
54
                     If Ben was ROY, unanimous All-NBA, MVP, DPOY, Finals MVP, ...
Apr 05th 2019
56
                     LMAOO. We talking about college, you stupid ass nigga
Apr 05th 2019
57
                          Oh so you don’t see the comparison? Just say you’re an idiot...
Apr 05th 2019
59
                               My nigga...Ls arent the end. Just eat your L
Apr 06th 2019
67
                                    There's more to hoops than shooting. Maybe someone should've told Melo.
Apr 06th 2019
69
                                         12 boards, 4 assists, 2 steals per game in the final four
Apr 06th 2019
70
                                              Bro.....this is beyond comedy. Dudes are embarassing
Apr 06th 2019
78
                     Ben Wallace won more in his short ass prime than Melo can imagine
Apr 05th 2019
61
                          those Pistons had 4 all stars in their primes too
Apr 05th 2019
62
                               Bro....niggas tryna make Ben Wallace a #1 option...I'm crying
Apr 06th 2019
68
                               Obviously not on offense. He was the best player on those teams though
Apr 06th 2019
80
                                    i said “all stars”, not “hall of famers”
Apr 06th 2019
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                               not the teams that made the Finals. those two squads had 1 ea
Apr 06th 2019
71
                                    Regardless of what years each of them actually made it though.....
Apr 06th 2019
74
                                         *no one* thought that at the time
Apr 06th 2019
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                                              don't let facts obfuscate pathetic Melo apologism
Apr 06th 2019
81
                                              huh? You’re literally focusing on wording to avoid points or changing...
Apr 06th 2019
85
                                              Huh?Sheed had already made 2 by that point
Apr 06th 2019
84
                                                   im specifically talking about the backcourt
Apr 06th 2019
86
Just wanted to shout out Pervis Ellison
Apr 04th 2019
48
Yeah man dude was ill, best Cardinal since Griffith
Apr 04th 2019
53
O he's DEFINITELY up there. And where have u been
Apr 05th 2019
55
he’s not the best, but Chris Webber deserves a mention
Apr 05th 2019
65
RE: he’s not the best - how can we definitively say that?
Apr 06th 2019
72
      all the teams were better in the early 90s than the early 00s
Apr 06th 2019
75
The literal test of "if OE said the sky is blue"
Apr 06th 2019
73
^^^^^^^^^^
Apr 06th 2019
77
he's definitely up there and maybe No. 1. my argument is: who cares?
Apr 06th 2019
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      Bwahaha @ "who cares." MELO the GOAT AND YOU SAD AS FUCK!!!!
Apr 06th 2019
87
NCAA, where a guy named Tyler Hansbrough is a legend 🤣
Apr 06th 2019
76
Tyler ain't an all-time top 20 NBA scorer <---DAYUM y'all sad
Apr 08th 2019
88

Innocent Criminal
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1. "Kareem"
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4. "did he even play as a freshman?"
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10. "lol"
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30. "No. Freshmen weren't allowed to play."
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2. "Michael Beasley "
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give Beasley a Hakim Warrick and he wins a title.

28 double doubles. 26 point average.

Melo 22 and carried by Warrick isn't as impressive to me.

are you still drinking expired 7'11 hot coffee with fly shit mildew stuck on the cup?

cold brew or nothing.

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3. "Beasley close. But nope. n/m"
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>give Beasley a Hakim Warrick and he wins a title.
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>28 double doubles. 26 point average.
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>Melo 22 and carried by Warrick isn't as impressive to me.
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>are you still drinking expired 7'11 hot coffee with fly shit
>mildew stuck on the cup?
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>cold brew or nothing.


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5. "KD better"
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6. "Yes. "
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7. "AD"
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All the awards
The title
Gold medal

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11. "Easily had the most help....the lockout scared some kids into staying"
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People finally realized how stupid they were being with those awards after Melo led his team to a title. Melo opened that door for KD and AD.

Melo averaged 27, 12, and 4 in the final four. His team leaned heavier on him in winning that chip.

  

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12. "He was a better player on a better team."
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And did everything I said above.

It’s as perfect a year you could possibly have.

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13. "Perfect in Kendall Marshall getting hurt and Fab Melo suspended, too"
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That path was cleared nicely.

  

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14. "Re-read the 2 names you just wrote."
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Then re-read them again.

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15. "AD's team literally had the #1 and #2 pick in the draft. So, no. "
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AD has been an amazing pro player. But that was
one of the best recruiting classes ever.

But he wasn't even better than Michael Beasley in
collage. Fine, fine player, though.

Carmelo a good bit better.




  

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16. "So you come in here with balloons cuz Zion didn't win a title..."
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Then I counter with the last freshman to do everything Melo did... PLUS MORE.

Now it's time to talk about teammates, recruiting classes, and players that didn't win a National Title?

Keep them goalposts moving bro.

It's still AD though.

Better.

Most dominant.

Most accomplished.

Whatever you want to call it.

He's it.

Melo was cool though.

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21. "LMAO. Brotha. AD was barely #1 scoring option on that team. "
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AD was a fantastic player.

Wasn't even better than Beasley.

And Melo was significantly better.


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17. "Cousy Award winner and BE defensive player of the year"
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You’re going to argue that they weren’t major cogs on two of the other 1 seeds in the tournament? And they both went out right before the tournament.

=Clears the path.

  

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18. "Woooooah not the Big East Defensive Player of the Year!"
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Not him.

If you don't get the fuck outta here with your 10 year hurt feelings.

We were winning anyway.

38-2 or some shit like that.

We would've beaten UNC... AGAIN.

And beat Syracuse by a clean 15-20.

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19. "Nah, Syracuse went 30-1 regular season in the best conference "
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They would’ve been a strong contender to win the tournament with Melo.

AD had one of the all time great freshman seasons, and is one of the best players in the league.

I think Melo has the small edge though because he had to carry his team to a greater degree.

The “awards” are less relevant because Melo is the one who killed all that stone age political “freshmen have to wait” shit for good.

  

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20. "Lmao... strong contender. We were the best team from the beginning to th..."
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We beat y'all by a clean 15-20.

Melo broke through by not winning any of those awards? Lol.

I mean if we want to play what ifs, I could easily say we were the #1 seed in the tourney when Syracuse snuck in a Title, but Keith Bogans injured his ankle vs Wisconsin.

So there's that.

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24. "Nah, UK barely beat Louisville who Cuse beat twice "
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15-20....lmao. Cuse spent that whole season in the top 5, a lot of it at number 1.

After Melo led Cuse to the title, people stopped being stupid about avoiding giving the awards to freshmen.

  

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25. "OMG... y'all were in the Top 5?"
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Lol... Melo would've gotten awards if everyone wasn't being stupid.

Still AD.

I know Melo is Syracuse's one claim to basketball relevancy, but you gotta stop giving him props he doesn't deserve.

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26. "I didn’t even start the thread, I’m not the only one who thinks he d..."
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Cuse was really good in 2012. 6 NBA players(same as Kentucky), went 17-1 in the Big East. Cuse’s zone with Melo in the middle was a force.

  

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29. "Really good for a Syracuse team."
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For whatever that's worth.

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31. "How many times Kentucky gone 34-3?"
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Maybe 17-1 is doable most years in the often scrubby SEC, but doing it in that era of the Big East wasn’t the norm for anybody.

  

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35. "Lmao! They've won at least 34 games quite a few times in my lifetime"
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So yeah... a lot.

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38. "Quite a few? Like 3? 4?"
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You’re exaggerating and trying too hard to downplay that team.

  

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39. "Geez... you gonna make me research now. 6. Happy now? "
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27. "Doesn't deserve? LMAO. What more could Melo have POSSIBLY done? "
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Melo EARNED his praise.


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22. "Its not close. Melo legitimately CARRIED his team. No debate. "
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AD was a fantastic frosh.

Melo better tho.

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23. "Kentucky only beat UNC by 1 point, at home."
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>We would've beaten UNC... AGAIN.

Don't act like it's a given that Kentucky would have beaten a healthy UNC on a neutral court.

Kendall Marshall may not have been a good NBA player, but he was the best point guard in the country that season. And John Henson wasn't 100% either.

All that said, injuries happen and I give UK full credit.
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AD is not #1 of all time. He was a beast, but that team was stacked. They had 5 guys scoring in double figures and he was only the leading scorer by half a point.

My vote still goes to Magic. Then probably Kenny Anderson or Michael Beasley.

I put AD in the next tier with Durant, Carmelo and Trae Young.

  

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28. "1 point, at home before the New Year. Freshman get better."
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It's true.

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32. "Both teams got better over the year"
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To be clear, I have no beefs with UK's title because injuries happen. Part of the game.

I'm just saying let's not act like it's a given they would have won. They were both great teams that year. I would have loved to see the rematch.

  

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36. "Nah... they would have definitely won. "
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Beat them the year before with a team that wasn't as good as 2012.

Beat them earlier in the year.

Would have beaten them again.

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43. "Think what you want, but saying "definitely" is absurd"
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>Beat them the year before with a team that wasn't as good as
>2012.

It's funny you bring up the previous season - because UNC beat UK in the regular season yet UK beat UNC in the NCAA tournament...

Very interesting.

>Beat them earlier in the year.

By one point at home. Not a very strong argument.

>Would have beaten them again.

Maybe. I think a healthy UNC would have beaten that UK team on a neutral court, but we'll never know.

  

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47. "How is that interesting."
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UNC beat UK early in the season.

UK got better and beat them.

UNC brings the same exact team back minus Zeller. Beat them at home with a better team than the year before.

They would’ve beaten them again.

You think all of sudden Kendall Marshall was gonna make a difference against a better squad?

No he was garbage.

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58. "Because it proves regular season wins don't predict tournament wins"
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>UNC beat UK early in the season.
>
>UK got better and beat them.

And it's just an ABSURD notion to flip that around and say the same thing would have happened for UNC in the subsequent season?

I guess only UK players get better over the course of the season, or even from year to year?

>UNC brings the same exact team back minus Zeller. Beat them at
>home with a better team than the year before.

Actually both UNC teams (2010-2011 and 2011-2012) had Zeller.

UNC was significantly better in 2011-2012 then they were in 2010-2011, because of player improvement. That's not something that only happens at UK.

UNC 2010-2011 beat UK by 2 points at UNC, lost by 7 in the NCAAT.

UNC 2011-2012 lost to UK by 1 point at UK. They never got to play in the NCAAT because injuries derailed our season.

There's an obvious parallel that you're clearly ignoring.


>They would’ve beaten them again.
>
>You think all of sudden Kendall Marshall was gonna make a
>difference against a better squad?

UNC was better than they were the previous year. So was UK. The two teams were EVENLY MATCHED. That's why it was only a 1-point win when they actually played. Again, at UK.


>No he was garbage.

Objectively untrue. He was the best point guard in the country, and averaged 9.8 APG - that's practically the definition of difference-maker.

  

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60. "Freshman get A LOT better from the beginning of a season..."
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to the end of the Freshman year.

Multi-year players improve on a much smaller scale.

All of UNC’s key contributors were not freshman.

How much did you expect John Henson to improve?

Lmao!

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63. "Not provably true"
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Some freshmen make the jump between year 1 and 2, some make the jump later... Not everyone improves at the same rate.

Kendall Marshall, for example, was much better as a sophomore than a freshman.

But it's really not worth arguing with you anymore.

If you're not willing to concede that Kentucky MIGHT have lost to a UNC team that they only beat by 1 at home then there's no point even debating.

  

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64. "Kendall Marshall got so much better from yr 1 to 2, that UK beat him.."
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at the beginning of his 2nd year.

I guess those next 3 months is when he “really” got good.

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66. "UK won by one point at home."
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The teams were evenly matched.

That's it.

  

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8. "It's Magic - 17 PPG, 8 RPG, 7 APG"
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Kenny Anderson is up there too- 21 PPG, 8 APG, 5.5 RPG

Supercool Beas averaged 26 and 12, which is damn good.

Honorable mentions:
Trae Young - 27 PPG, 9 APG, 4 RPG
Durant - 26 PPG, 11 RPG

  

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33. "Magic and Kenny weren’t even All Americans as freshmen, which is crazy"
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It’s amazing it took as long as it did for them to stop overlooking freshmen with awards.

  

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9. "Probably Wilt. He averaged 30 and 18 his first year of college."
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They didn't even bother to keep stats on Blocks or assists, he might have averaged a quadruple double.

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34. "He's not but if he were, no one would care."
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Shit in high school Jim Jackson was on some LeBron shit. How many people know or care?

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51. "Lol I do!!"
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I recall he was ranked 3rd best HS player after Mourning and Billy Owens in '88. Toledo Macomber stand up!!


>Shit in high school Jim Jackson was on some LeBron shit. How
>many people know or care?

  

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37. "hold up, Anthony Davis shot 1-10 in the national title game?"
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Yeah, nah.

Granted, 16 boards and 6 blocks is off the charts great. But 1-10?

  

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40. "Yep... and still found a way to contribute & lead his team to a W. "
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I know. Very un-Melo like.

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41. "Lulz. You're such an embarassment. "
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>I know. Very un-Melo like.

I would say "stop it" but I don't want you to

This is sad and hilarious to witness

  

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44. "RE: Yep... and still found a way to contribute & lead his team to a W. "
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Yea, that line really dwarfs Melo's 20 pts on 3/5 threes and 7/16 overall combined with 10 rebounds and 7 assists in 37 minutes of a 40 minute game that Syracuse won by 3 points with Gerry McNamara (a great college player but no NBA prospect) as its second leading scorer.


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45. "^^^^he was playing with a bad back too"
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He got hurt near the end of the Texas final four game.

  

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42. "this is what you call "damning evidence""
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best freshman ever scores one field goal in his last game?

"but he LED THEM!" lololol

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46. "To be fair, his defense absolutely changed that game."
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Kansas shot 33% inside the 3-point arc, which is insane.

People at the time tried to use the 1-10 to dismiss what kind of a pro he'd be. He did a 6/16/5/3/6 line, and people who watched the game saw what a monumental impact he had on the floor. He won MOP for a reason.

I wouldn't necessarily argue AD is the best freshman ever-- I don't really know who I'd pick, hence me staying out of this post for the most part-- but I don't think that 1-10 shooting night is itself a disqualifier when he was UK's most important player on the court by a healthy margin in that game.

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49. "OKS had a post about it"
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>People at the time tried to use the 1-10 to dismiss what kind
>of a pro he'd be.

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50. "He was a fabulous role player that game. No disputing that. "
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But the notion that he was better than Melo as a frosh
is LOL

  

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52. ""Role player" feels reductive. He was the National Player of the Year. "
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And the Most Outstanding Player on a championship team. (And the National Defensive Player of the Year as a freshman to boot.)

So I don't think anyone arguing that Melo was better in AD in college should go the route of trying to reduce or shit on what AD accomplished. AD was tremendous, and I think attempting to reduce how tremendous he was is counter-productive in your pro-Melo arguments imo. I think the pro-Melo camp can easily make their argument *without* shitting on AD at all.

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54. "1-10 is a terrible Ben Wallace impression in THAT game. "
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He was a great defender and rebounder that game.

But he was awful offensively.

doesn't mean Ben wallace wasn't an amazing player
He totally dominated games he barely scored in.


But 1-10 is awful



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56. "If Ben was ROY, unanimous All-NBA, MVP, DPOY, Finals MVP, ..."
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the won a Gold Medal in the Olympics. Sure

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57. "LMAOO. We talking about college, you stupid ass nigga "
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Michael Beasley was a better college freshman than Kevin
Durant.

That has nothing to do with the NBA.

Melo still the best ever.

  

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59. "Oh so you don’t see the comparison? Just say you’re an idiot..."
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so we can all go back to ignoring your posts.

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67. "My nigga...Ls arent the end. Just eat your L"
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He was 1-10 and they won....why? Because that team was
nuclear

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69. "There's more to hoops than shooting. Maybe someone should've told Melo. "
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70. "12 boards, 4 assists, 2 steals per game in the final four"
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78. "Bro.....this is beyond comedy. Dudes are embarassing "
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>


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61. "Ben Wallace won more in his short ass prime than Melo can imagine"
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Won a ring, came within one game of another. He was all-NBA five times to Melo's six despite starting his NBA career at 26 when Melo started at 19. Melo has zero awards (MVP, DPOY, etc), while Wallace has a fistful of DPOY awards. Prime for prime, anyone who wanted to win would take Wallace even though longevity and college performance will get Melo into the HOVG, er, HOF, while Wallace will have to rely on a player X player Y comparison with Mutombo (which Wallace wins) to possibly get in. But if we're just looking at their best, give me Wallace, easily, he carried defenses in ways that Melo never carried offenses.

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62. "those Pistons had 4 all stars in their primes too"
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Might be why they won more than any of Melo’s teams.

  

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68. "Bro....niggas tryna make Ben Wallace a #1 option...I'm crying"
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>Might be why they won more than any of Melo’s teams.


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80. "Obviously not on offense. He was the best player on those teams though"
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Also LOL @cysing like Rip and Chauncey as blanket "all-stars," as if them first ballot hall of very good dudes were like Magic and Mike. FOH. Yes, Wallace was the key to the good Pistons teams and even before they got Sheed he was the engine that drove them. Before the LB hire they'd won about as many playoff series as Melo did in his whole career.

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83. "i said “all stars”, not “hall of famers”"
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Chauncey made 5, Sheed made 4, and Rip made 3 in the 00s. They were all stars. All in their mid-late 20s.

I don’t care if they made the AS team in the exact same year that Detroit won it or whatever.

They were all all star level players throughout most of the 00s.

  

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71. "not the teams that made the Finals. those two squads had 1 ea"
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2004 - Ben Wallace
2005 - Ben Wallace

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74. "Regardless of what years each of them actually made it though....."
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they were all star players in their primes by that point.

  

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79. "*no one* thought that at the time"
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its a tad revisionist/dishonest to imply otherwise

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81. "don't let facts obfuscate pathetic Melo apologism"
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let's face it they are making a post about the 2003 NCAA tournament to redeem his disappointing career. that tells you all you need to know.

also it hasn't even been mentioned that the pistons passed on melo for a guy who did *nothing* for them and ended up going to like seven straight ECFs, winning a chip, etc. they didn't exactly miss him dearly.

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85. "huh? You’re literally focusing on wording to avoid points or changing..."
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subjects because you came tripping to get in here to shit on Melo, like always.

Such a disappointing hall of fame level career, lol.

Detroit had a great run. Probably would’ve been even greater with Melo.

  

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84. "Huh?Sheed had already made 2 by that point "
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And Chauncey and Rip made multiple AS teams while on Ben’s team.

  

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86. "im specifically talking about the backcourt"
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and in the summer of 2004 no one thought of them as all stars. summer of 2005, same story. if flip hadnt cranked up the tempo in 05-06, they never would have been allstars.


thats just a fact

also, please note that i dont care about the comparison. but its dead false to call Rip and Chauncey "allstars" when they were going to the Finals, and dishonest to claim that anyone thought differently at the time.

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48. "Just wanted to shout out Pervis Ellison"
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Started every game as a freshman for Louisville who won the national championship in 1986 and was named MVP of the NCAA Tournament and MVP of the conference tournament. 25 & 11 in the championship game too. Would eventually go 1-1 in the draft.

NBA career didn't exactly play out well, but I remember some solid years with the Bullets.

From a talent standpoint he's not on the level of Anthony or Melo, but he did lead a team to a national championship winning MVP as a freshman. So I wanted to make sure he got repped in this post.

  

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53. "Yeah man dude was ill, best Cardinal since Griffith"
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55. "O he's DEFINITELY up there. And where have u been"
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65. "he’s not the best, but Chris Webber deserves a mention "
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since others that aren’t the best are getting mentioned.

That was a situation where the whole crew got to shine and get the limelight and Chris was a crazy unselfish player, but he was a great, great freshman player.

  

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cgonz00cc
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72. "RE: he’s not the best - how can we definitively say that?"
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the Duke team that beat Michigan was so much better than the KU team that Syaracuse beat that its almost impossible to draw equivalence

i dont think freshman Melo wins a hypothetical in game matchup vs Webber either, so im not sure where the confidence comes from

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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75. "all the teams were better in the early 90s than the early 00s"
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I mean, Syracuse’s Derrick Coleman and Billy Owens teams were better than Carmelo’s team. That’s just the times where guys stayed in school 3-4 years vs. the 1 and done or straight to the NBA years.

Carmelo’s offensive polish as a freshman was unmatched, even by CW’s unique for his time skill set.

If Chris could shoot FT’s back then, he would’ve been a lot more effective. He was low key Shaq like from Michigan through his Bullets days.

  

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73. "The literal test of "if OE said the sky is blue""
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Weirdos would fight to the end of Earth just to argue.

Certified Melo hater here. But this comment is not worth discussing, yes he is.

  

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77. "^^^^^^^^^^"
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>Weirdos would fight to the end of Earth just to argue.
>
>Certified Melo hater here. But this comment is not worth
>discussing, yes he is.

  

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82. "he's definitely up there and maybe No. 1. my argument is: who cares?"
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I mean JR Reid and Pervis Ellison were great freshmen, too, that and six bucks will get you a latte.

Melo went onto to have a way better NBA career than those guys but he still managed to underachieve. OE and them wanna detract from that talking about some meaningless shit.

Also, if we change "freshman" to "first-year collegiate player," that knocks him right the fuck outta the box. That's pretty significant given that for many years, freshmen could not play on the collegiate varsity team including the eras of Wilt, Oscar, Jerry, Russell, Kareem, Walton, etc.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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87. "Bwahaha @ "who cares." MELO the GOAT AND YOU SAD AS FUCK!!!!"
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>I mean JR Reid and Pervis Ellison were great freshmen, too,
>that and six bucks will get you a latte.
>
>Melo went onto to have a way better NBA career than those guys
>but he still managed to underachieve. OE and them wanna
>detract from that talking about some meaningless shit.

Bwhahahahahahahahaha

Melo going to the hall hoe

Underachieve these nuts

>Also, if we change "freshman" to "first-year collegiate
>player," that knocks him right the fuck outta the box. That's
>pretty significant given that for many years, freshmen could
>not play on the collegiate varsity team including the eras of
>Wilt, Oscar, Jerry, Russell, Kareem, Walton, etc.

Cry you wimp!!! MELO BEST EVER!!! BWAHAHAHHAHHAHA

  

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76. "NCAA, where a guy named Tyler Hansbrough is a legend 🤣"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
http://40.media.tumblr.com/d8e2daf9f3f37244cd05436bcdf05973/tumblr_mt4qibKq4c1rgam01o1_1280.png

  

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88. "Tyler ain't an all-time top 20 NBA scorer <---DAYUM y'all sad"
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Cry, wimps

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