1. Russ - it was unheard of for someone to average a triple-double for a season since Oscar Robertson did it 50+ years ago. Russ is about to do it for the third year in a row. His shooting percentages had fell off some and some people try do say he "pads" but he still gets it done when it counts. He is leading to NBA in assists and his team is playing at a high level.
2. Kyrie - does everything at a high level but can he win without Bron?
3. Dame - another guy that does everything at a high level and is the heart and soul of his team.
4. Ben - despite almost never even attempting a shot outside the paint he gets it done and and his team is winning.
5. Steph - I know people are saying "how can he be 5th?!" He's one of the top players and the NBA and probably the greatest shooter ever but is he really a point guard? Draymond Green usually brings the ball up and leads the Warriors in assists.
6. CP3 - yes he has missed a lot of games and has to share the ball with James Harden but still does everything at a high level to help his team win when healthy
7. Lowry - quietly averaging a career-high 9 apg for 2nd in the NBA and is the engine that makes Toronto go.
8. Jrue - more of a combo guard but is 6th in the NBA in assists and defends positions 1 thru 3 at a high level.
9. Trae - after a rocky start to his rookie season he has come on strong enough in the 2nd half to get some ROY consideration after most people thought Luka Doncic had ran away with it. He probably will always struggle on D but averaging 18 & 8 as a rookie even on a losing team is nothing to sneeze at.
10. Fox - does everything at a high level just needs to be consistent on a nightly basis.
top 5 not-point guards
guys that are not considered "point guards" by definition but get it done:
1. Lebron - has taken the point forward role to a new level...
2. Harden - having ridiculous offensive season and has quietly stepped it up on D...
3. Giannis - another point forward that literally does everything for the Bucks...
4. Draymond - does everything for the Warriors...
5. Jokic - the best post passer in the NBA is a big reason with the Nuggets are on the Warriors heels...
1. "*scans list for my guys, doesnt see them*....this list sucks, Uncle" In response to Reply # 0 Sun Mar-17-19 11:38 AM by guru0509
>let's get it... > >1. Russ - it was unheard of for someone to average a >triple-double for a season since Oscar Robertson did it 50+ >years ago. Russ is about to do it for the third year in a row. >His shooting percentages had fell off some and some people try >do say he "pads" but he still gets it done when it counts. He >is leading to NBA in assists and his team is playing at a high >level. > >2. Kyrie - does everything at a high level but can he win >without Bron? > >3. Dame - another guy that does everything at a high level and >is the heart and soul of his team. > >4. Ben - despite almost never even attempting a shot outside >the paint he gets it done and and his team is winning. > >5. Steph - I know people are saying "how can he be 5th?!" He's >one of the top players and the NBA and probably the greatest >shooter ever but is he really a point guard? Draymond Green >usually brings the ball up and leads the Warriors in assists. > >6. CP3 - yes he has missed a lot of games and has to share the >ball with James Harden but still does everything at a high >level to help his team win when healthy > >7. Lowry - quietly averaging a career-high 9 apg for 2nd in >the NBA and is the engine that makes Toronto go. > >8. Jrue - more of a combo guard but is 6th in the NBA in >assists and defends positions 1 thru 3 at a high level. > >9. Trae - after a rocky start to his rookie season he has come >on strong enough in the 2nd half to get some ROY consideration >after most people thought Luka Doncic had ran away with it. He >probably will always struggle on D but averaging 18 & 8 as a >rookie even on a losing team is nothing to sneeze at. > >10. Fox - does everything at a high level just needs to be >consistent on a nightly basis. > >top 5 not-point guards > >guys that are not considered "point guards" by definition but >get it done: > >1. Lebron - has taken the point forward role to a new >level... > >2. Harden - having ridiculous offensive season and has quietly >stepped it up on D... > >3. Giannis - another point forward that literally does >everything for the Bucks... > >4. Draymond - does everything for the Warriors... > >5. Jokic - the best post passer in the NBA is a big reason >with the Nuggets are on the Warriors heels...
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13. "being an all-star in the east is like being the smartest kid in the..." In response to Reply # 9 Sun Mar-17-19 03:25 PM by ThaTruth
the special ed class.
>but Trae Young has showed and proved?
I could see arguments for D-Lo over Trae. Maybe its the Laker fan in me but I want to see what D-Lo does after he gets his money as this is a contract year for him.
15. "Dangelo is better than half the guys on your list ...lol @ trae young" In response to Reply # 13
>the special ed class. > >>but Trae Young has showed and proved? > >I could see arguments for D-Lo over Trae. Maybe its the Laker >fan in me but I want to see what D-Lo does after he gets his >money as this is a contract year for him.
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16. "You’ve always felt like Conley was top 5 and worth his 9 figure..." In response to Reply # 15
contracts and I don’t, it’s just a difference of opinion.
I am close with family of an incoming OSU hoops recruit so I guess we’ll both be watching and rooting for the Buckeyes for the next couple of years or so lol
21. "Lololol that whole Conley agenda was hilarious" In response to Reply # 16
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
33. "you or truth..please tell me he has a handle and can pull up on the run" In response to Reply # 23 Tue Mar-19-19 11:02 PM by guru0509
im tired of 3's and 4's who cant put the ball on the floor and only rebound and go up for bunnies.
we need players who can STRETCH defenses and maek them defend the whole floor
i watched his highlight tape and it was cool but anyone can make themselves look elite with a 2 min montage of their best moments..how is he when his team is sucking, or when his jumper isnt falling? is he tough or soft?
im in my early 30s and im already feeling like im going to die without seeing ohio state win an ncaa tournament. i dont give a fuck about final four banners.
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25. "Kyle Lowry? Jrue Holiday? cmon." In response to Reply # 16
>I am close with family of an incoming OSU hoops recruit so I >guess we’ll both be watching and rooting for the Buckeyes >for the next couple of years or so lol
the future is bright!
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27. "nope, i never ever said top 5. I just said elite*, and grossly underrate..." In response to Reply # 16
for most of his career, not to mention severely underpaid for most of his career.
>contracts and I don’t, it’s just a difference of >opinion. > >I am close with family of an incoming OSU hoops recruit so I >guess we’ll both be watching and rooting for the Buckeyes >for the next couple of years or so lol
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30. "people only remember the mega contract he recently signed..." In response to Reply # 29 Tue Mar-19-19 09:03 AM by guru0509
the first extension he signed was for peanuts. dude deserved way more but he didnt want to leave memphis.
he put up all star numbers, but the west is FULL of elite point guards..i have no problem with westbrook and curry getting all star nods over him...but some of those guys are one dimensional as hell (lillard comes to mind)
31. "RE: people only remember the mega contract he recently signed..." In response to Reply # 30
>the first extension he signed was for peanuts. dude deserved >way more but he didnt want to leave memphis.
His first extension at the time he signed was huge for a guy with his resume'
>he put up all star numbers, but the west is FULL of elite >point guards..i have no problem with westbrook and curry >getting all star nods over him...but some of those guys are >one dimensional as hell (lillard comes to mind) > > >>He makes more money than >>Kevin Durant. >> >>https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/ > > >yea for 3 more months > >plus KD puposely took less money to stay with GSW. Not >happening again.
Bottom line Conley is not a $30mil per year caliber player.
after iggy's recent comments, i was *just* thinking about making a "is steph underrated?" post.
and here you come, right on time, talmbot some damn 5th.
lulz
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5. "I think Steph IS underrated, but I was having a debate with someone..." In response to Reply # 2
on social media earlier. They were saying with another ring Steph moves past Magic on the point guard list and I flinched. Steph is great but is he really a point guard? Is he the main guy responsible for initiating offense for his team? Is he the main guy bringing the ball up for his team? I think that answer is no.
If you want to put Steph on the “point guard” list then you have to open it up to people on the “not-point guard” list or do away with position classifications all together.
i get what you're saying, but you're overly complicating things.
point guard is not a role, it's a position.
playmaker is a role, sure. lead guard, lead ballhandler, creator, whatever. those are roles. point guard is a position. it's black and white.
steph curry is the best player in the league who plays the point guard position. period. there's no credible counterargument.
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
>after iggy's recent comments, i was *just* thinking about >making a "is steph underrated?" post. > >and here you come, right on time, talmbot some damn 5th. > >lulz
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
6. "Is he a point guard? I mean if you look at a Golden State Warriors..." In response to Reply # 3 Sun Mar-17-19 01:39 PM by ThaTruth
depth chart it has a "PG" by his name but if you actually WATCH the games does he really perform traditional PG duties? On another team would he still be #1?
8. "agreed, he has literally changed the game..." In response to Reply # 7
>if strictly going by the definition of "point guard", the >list is accurate imo.. > >however, Steph is undoubtedly the best player on that PG >list. his shooting prowess is THAT incredible!
there was a time when NBA old heads would say a "jump-shooting" team can't win a title but Steph has shitted on that logic. Now almost every team is built around shooting. After a run from 99 to 07 where 8 of 9 NBA titles were won by teams that featured Shaquille O'Neal or Tim Duncan, post play has almost become obsolete. And this year with Boogie the Warriors have that too.
11. "FOH with this funny ass purist shit, Steph is number one" In response to Reply # 0
He plays point guard and in a different situation could be more of a distributor. Also funny that there is no purity argument against Dame or Jrue or anyone else here.
I wouldn't have your 8-10 guys there, Jrue plays off the ball a lot and while I like him I don't think he's top 10 at this point. Young and Fox will have their shot to establish themselves but they aren't there yet. The rest is just a matter of order.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
14. "RE: FOH with this funny ass purist shit, Steph is number one" In response to Reply # 11
>He plays point guard and in a different situation could be >more of a distributor. Also funny that there is no purity >argument against Dame or Jrue or anyone else here.
If you look at the stats Steph has the lowest APG numbers of anybody mentioned it this post. It’s not everything but stats matter. If you’re not even top 25 in assists you can’t be the best point guard in my book I’m sorry.
>I wouldn't have your 8-10 guys there, Jrue plays off the ball >a lot and while I like him I don't think he's top 10 at this >point. Young and Fox will have their shot to establish >themselves but they aren't there yet. The rest is just a >matter of order.
I admit that those spots are a toss up, arguments could easily be made for other guys in those spots.
39. "RE: I said in a long time , who’s the last good pg the Knicks had ? ma..." In response to Reply # 37
>The nets have only been there since 2012 > >Getting ahead of ourselves would be putting trae young on any >top 10 list other than rookies > >Edit answer post 33 please
Trae young is doing 18 & 8 as a ROOKIE! Who knows what he'll be doing 4 years from now?
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51. "He's also advanced twice..." In response to Reply # 42
Not to mention, remember the Blazers were supposed to rebuild after LaMarcus left? Dame has willed them to the playoffs in every year since, and this year will be the second straight year they've had homecourt advantage in the fucking Western conference.
Meanwhile MVP Russell Westbrook missed the 'offs a few seasons ago when KD was hurt, and even with Paul George (who is supposedly MVP-caliber himself) they can't finish ahead of Portland in the regular season, nor can they advance in the playoffs.
it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
59. "These rankings silly as hell." In response to Reply # 0
>let's get it... > >1. Russ - it was unheard of for someone to average a >triple-double for a season since Oscar Robertson did it 50+ >years ago. Russ is about to do it for the third year in a row. >His shooting percentages had fell off some and some people try >do say he "pads" but he still gets it done when it counts. He >is leading to NBA in assists and his team is playing at a high >level. > >2. Kyrie - does everything at a high level but can he win >without Bron? > >3. Dame - another guy that does everything at a high level and >is the heart and soul of his team. > >4. Ben - despite almost never even attempting a shot outside >the paint he gets it done and and his team is winning. > >5. Steph - I know people are saying "how can he be 5th?!" He's >one of the top players and the NBA and probably the greatest >shooter ever but is he really a point guard? Draymond Green >usually brings the ball up and leads the Warriors in assists. > >6. CP3 - yes he has missed a lot of games and has to share the >ball with James Harden but still does everything at a high >level to help his team win when healthy > >7. Lowry - quietly averaging a career-high 9 apg for 2nd in >the NBA and is the engine that makes Toronto go. > >8. Jrue - more of a combo guard but is 6th in the NBA in >assists and defends positions 1 thru 3 at a high level. > >9. Trae - after a rocky start to his rookie season he has come >on strong enough in the 2nd half to get some ROY consideration >after most people thought Luka Doncic had ran away with it. He >probably will always struggle on D but averaging 18 & 8 as a >rookie even on a losing team is nothing to sneeze at. > >10. Fox - does everything at a high level just needs to be >consistent on a nightly basis. > >top 5 not-point guards > >guys that are not considered "point guards" by definition but >get it done: > >1. Lebron - has taken the point forward role to a new >level... > >2. Harden - having ridiculous offensive season and has quietly >stepped it up on D... > >3. Giannis - another point forward that literally does >everything for the Bucks... > >4. Draymond - does everything for the Warriors... > >5. Jokic - the best post passer in the NBA is a big reason >with the Nuggets are on the Warriors heels...
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
71. "If you're 3rd on your team in assists you're not a traditional point..." In response to Reply # 70
guard.
Regardless of what letters are by your name on a depth chart whether you're Steph Curry, John Paxon, BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper, Mario Chalmers, or even Kyrie Irving when he played with Lebron.
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72. "stephen curry is 6th among active players in career assists per game." In response to Reply # 71
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
73. "meanwhile, Curry got a triple double rocking your OP to sleep..." In response to Reply # 71 Tue May-21-19 10:56 AM by CyrenYoung
..LOL
C'mon.
why include him, only to disqualify him through technicality?
You clearly acknowledged the hybrid players like Beard or Bron, but no one will ever debate their true position on the floor when ranking them among their peers. *Its not his fault that his team actually plays like a TEAM every night.
As it stands, this reads more like an excuse to disqualify Curry from the PG wars altogether. That shit ain't happening.
78. "Much ado about nothing..." In response to Reply # 76
..You made a post about ranking active point guards in the NBA.
You then went on to mention the best point guard currently active in the league, only to then attempt to disqualify him through some bs technicality (who brings the ball up? assist? red hair? LMAO!).
When that perspective was challenged, you responded with numbers that actually disprove your OP and help bolster the resounding opinion held by the greater majority of basketball fans around the world. You then went on to mention Lebron & Westbrook when Currys numbers still keep him above and beyond his peers in PG County.
MY point is: Steph Curry is a PG. He's currently the best PG in the NBA...
81. "RE: Steph took a shit on your post..." In response to Reply # 80 Tue May-21-19 12:09 PM by ThaTruth
>http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401131836 > >37/11/13 playing 47 minutes (Entire 2nd half and OT). > >Doing everything the BEST PG in the league should do to win >(against another great pg in his own right). > >That's an L for you, dog. > >Cry about it.
In the OP:
"He's one of the top players in the NBA and probably the greatest shooter ever"
post #5:
"I think Steph IS underrated, but I was having a debate with someone on social media earlier. They were saying with another ring Steph moves past Magic on the point guard list and I flinched. Steph is great but is he really a point guard? Is he the main guy responsible for initiating offense for his team? Is he the main guy bringing the ball up for his team? I think that answer is no."
"If you want to put Steph on the 'point guard' list then you have to open it up to other people on the 'not-point guard' list or do away with position classifications all together."
I never said Steph wasn't great. But is he the greatest point guard of all-time?
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