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melmag
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"Let's discuss Harden ≥ Wade"


  

          

Premature? Nahh

the writings on the wall folkx

I've always felt Wade's inflated legacy largely revolves around that one '06 title run, and riding Bron to two more.

Obviously defensive disparity between em is wide as fuck but Beard more than compensates offensively.. as a PG & SG

Harden's also potentially a 2x MVP and 2x runnerup. Wade never been that good.

Sure, players are made in 'offs (advantage: Wade), but Beard's incredible seasonal runs tip the scale overrall imo

fuck a ring, Harden better RIGHT TODAY already

  

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Harden gonna fold like a fuckin Transformer in a few weeks
Mar 05th 2019
1
Oh no doubt!
Mar 05th 2019
2
Nope. n/m
Mar 05th 2019
3
Do I have deja vu?
Mar 05th 2019
4
The numbers aren't even close
Mar 05th 2019
5
He's more talented. He's a better scorer. That doesn't add up to better.
Mar 05th 2019
8
You sure about that?
Mar 05th 2019
9
how about lets not...
Mar 05th 2019
6
Peak for peak, give me Wade for sure
Mar 05th 2019
7
this feels fair to me.
Mar 05th 2019
10
On one hand Wade was horseshit in between winning a ring &
Mar 05th 2019
11
Horseshit?
Mar 05th 2019
12
      advanced stats also support 09 as a career year. great stretch in genera...
Mar 05th 2019
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      Horseshit as in his squad didn’t mean anything.
Mar 05th 2019
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           Ran a 4.42 40 and just look at that backpedal!
Mar 07th 2019
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I hate how we only measure players in offense
Mar 06th 2019
15
Wade became all-time block leader for guards day after OP lol
Mar 07th 2019
18
FOH. Playoffs bruh. Playoffs.
Mar 06th 2019
16
Is Harden the greatest D'Antoni system player or Nash?
Mar 06th 2019
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Nash used to get sonned by Bibby before D’Antoni recused his career
Mar 07th 2019
20
I don't think either one was a system player
Mar 07th 2019
22
Beard = Lac Riding; D Wade? Hi Siding.
Mar 07th 2019
19
lmao, top 25 SG all time? name 25 better 2 guards
Mar 10th 2019
23
      Honestly - name 10.
Mar 10th 2019
24
      13 off the dome better
Mar 11th 2019
25

Basaglia
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1. "Harden gonna fold like a fuckin Transformer in a few weeks"
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So count me out. He’s a great player, but he done after one stiff punch.

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melmag
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2. "Oh no doubt!"
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but I cant recall any crazy Wade playoff runs sans Shaq & Bron either

  

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3. "Nope. n/m"
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>Premature? Nahh
>
>the writings on the wall folkx
>
>I've always felt Wade's inflated legacy largely revolves
>around that one '06 title run, and riding Bron to two more.
>
>Obviously defensive disparity between em is wide as fuck but
>Beard more than compensates offensively.. as a PG & SG
>
>Harden's also potentially a 2x MVP and 2x runnerup. Wade never
>been that good.
>
>Sure, players are made in 'offs (advantage: Wade), but Beard's
>incredible seasonal runs tip the scale overrall imo
>
>fuck a ring, Harden better RIGHT TODAY already
>


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Ryan M
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4. "Do I have deja vu? "
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Anyway...no.

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5. "The numbers aren't even close"
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And literally one ring for Harden, and this is no longer a discussion.

You're right. It'll just take a second for people to acknowledge such... unless the Rockets win a ring and speed it up.

  

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8. "He's more talented. He's a better scorer. That doesn't add up to better."
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Oh and Harden isn't winning any rings.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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bentagain
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9. "You sure about that?"
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If you discount Wade's last handful of years and just compare his initial run in MIA

are you sure the numbers aren't close

because they are close even including those numbers

?

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BrooklynWHAT
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6. "how about lets not..."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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7. "Peak for peak, give me Wade for sure"
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Got to the line all day, didn't need his J to fall to produce, could handle and distribute, could defend.

Harden is a better scorer with better range. In a lot of other areas he falls short and he is no type of leader. The OP starts from a premise that Wade's legacy is "inflated" and that he "rode LeBron" when he put in work despite his health already declining in the LeBron years. The problem with Wade is that he had a short peak and even still his career is ultimately going to look better than Harden's despite 1) entering the league at 23 and 2) having knee problems from the middle of his career forward. Wade was still stealing games as an old-time fart. Harden still giving them away in his prime. Harden has all the tools to be better, but he hasn't gotten there yet as an all-around player.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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10. "this feels fair to me."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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11. "On one hand Wade was horseshit in between winning a ring &"
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Bron coming to town.

But on the otherhand Harden nuts all over himself when the going gets tough.

Give me Wade 9 times out of 10.

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Ryan M
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12. "Horseshit?"
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2009 Dewayne Wade was 3rd in MVP voting.

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James. Davis. Kuzma. Howard. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Green. Cook. Bradley. McGee. Dudley. Caruso...

  

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13. "advanced stats also support 09 as a career year. great stretch in genera..."
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he has a career high in PER and WS in 09, huge numbers throughout that stretch really. 07 he was hurt, that was the period where he started missing games but then in 09/10/11 he was healthy, missed a handful of games only.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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14. "Horseshit as in his squad didn’t mean anything. "
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He was a 2nd tier star and trending to be that until Bron & Bosh came.

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21. "Ran a 4.42 40 and just look at that backpedal!"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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15. "I hate how we only measure players in offense "
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18. "Wade became all-time block leader for guards day after OP lol"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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16. "FOH. Playoffs bruh. Playoffs. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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17. "Is Harden the greatest D'Antoni system player or Nash?"
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I think D'Antoni should get credit for being the force behind the current NBA style of play, and Harden is his greatest player with Nash a strong second. I mean, Kenneth Faried is taking threes LOL.

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20. "Nash used to get sonned by Bibby before D’Antoni recused his career "
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>I think D'Antoni should get credit for being the force behind
>the current NBA style of play, and Harden is his greatest
>player with Nash a strong second. I mean, Kenneth Faried is
>taking threes LOL.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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22. "I don't think either one was a system player"
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Nash was underrated in Dallas and you can go back to where he signed in PHX, I said it was the best FA signing since Shaq and a stellar fit for both team and player. I didn't exactly see the same for Harden but likewise he was already an established stud before D'Antoni and his game only took off since. Over time it's gotten a little cartoonish with the total green light but then again they were missing a lot of key players when that was going on.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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19. "Beard = Lac Riding; D Wade? Hi Siding."
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this isnt a competition.

d wade is maybe in the lower half of the top 10 SG of the last 20 yrs.

on the all time list i dunno if dude is even top 25.

meanwhile...Beard is making a case to be 1 of the best scorers...EVER.

be mad. then...get over it.

  

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23. "lmao, top 25 SG all time? name 25 better 2 guards"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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24. "Honestly - name 10. "
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James. Davis. Kuzma. Howard. Rondo. Caldwell-Pope. Green. Cook. Bradley. McGee. Dudley. Caruso...

  

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25. "13 off the dome better"
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jordan
kobe
clyde the glide
ai
reggie miller
ray allen
harden
steph
joe dumars
tmac
pistol pete
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