"Poll question: Who is in a worse position after the Trade Deadline"
While many purport that the Lakers are hurt the most from this fiasco of a week - there is a strong argument to be made that they will actually be better off (in the end) for this deal not going through right now.
The Lakers essentially offered the house - they would've grossly overpaid for AD for the luxury to get him right now - but a Laker team with Bron/AD but not other valuable moving parts (no BI, Lonzo, Hart, Kuz, Zu, Rondo & multiple picks) would've been an immense price to pay to land AD when there's a target-rich environment this Summer to explore (Kawhi, Kemba, Klay, KD, Kyrie etc...). The Lakers now get a chance to further develop their young core and head into the off-season with significant cap-space flexibility to land big fish.
Conversely - the Pels likely just balked at an offer that will likely turn out to be the best return value for AD. Sure, many speculate that opening up negotiations with other teams is the smart thing to do (and there's logic to that) - what will these other teams reasonably offer for AD without express interest in signing with them? The notion that Boston will offer Tatum, Rozier, Brown and multiple picks is naive. AD doesn't want to be there. What other package would be as compelling as the Lakers rich offer? Now, the Pels have to deal with a malcontent AD playing out the rest of the season with a dead-end mentality and no incentive for the team to grow. Had they dealt w/ the Lakers - they begin their resurgence right now with significant young talent to be excited about.
Sure, the Pels stuck it to the Lakers and it likely felt good (in the short term by "winning" this battle) to feel like they didn't bend to Rich Paul and superstar mobility/agency - but did they win the long-term war? I think as this season rolls along, summer comes & goes - and the Pels are in a situation of going into yet another season with the prospect of AD still on the roster - they will then have to make a move out of desperation and will likely take much lesser deal for AD.
They can feel good from an emo perspective of not dealing with the Lakers - but will their franchise be better off because of it?
Will be interesting to revisit this in several months to see how this plays out - but my money is on the Pels not being able to land nearly the return value that was just offered (rather recklessly) via the Lakers who were willing to grossly overpay.
1. "I don't think either was significantly affected" In response to Reply # 0
The drag on the Lakers was temporary and while I don't get their one move it doesn't seem like a make-or-break kind of transaction. The the Pelicans tidied up their roster/cap with some moves but again nothing out of this world. The main thing they did was roll over the Davis saga into the summer, which was the prudent thing to do. All the other stuff was popcorn-worthy but insignificant in the long run
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18. "yea this idea that Kuz and Lonzo aren't going to be diff. makers" In response to Reply # 3
is crazy. Kuz in particular has grown tremendously this year and really risen to the occasion in playing well w/ Bron. These guys are super young and are still 5 years away from entering their prime years - and already are solid starters in this league.
But it wasn't just that they offered Zo and Kuz - but B.I., Hart, Zu (some reports even throwing Rondo in there) and multiple draft picks.
That's *exceptional* trade value for a player that publicly wants out.
What did the T'Wolves get for Butler? Not that much.
S.A. got DeRozan - who is a poor man's Kawhi in every sense (still a fine player).
Pels had the opportunity to grab multiple young guys - all with the potential to break out and become all-stars at some point.
I think time will show that this idea that Tatum is *so* much better than Kuz is premature and silly. Boston won't offer the assets that L.A. just offered up on a platter.
But alas - lot of ppl stay in that #HurtLocker in this game - and that jilted feeling can greatly affect state-of-mind and one's ability to make the smart, long-term business decision that is healthy for an organization. -->
6. "I'm in the minority but i think the Pels were smart to reject the trade" In response to Reply # 0
We have seen what a team of BI, Kuz and Ball can be. A bottom team in the west. If NOLA were to accept they would be looking to build with those 3. If they have any incling that Taytum and Boston's picks are a possibility you have to wait it out and see what you can get out of them. Also the Laker's picks would probably be late first rounders so they would not receive any cornerstone pieces from the trade to build around with the exception of Kuz who is the only one i really see with all star potential.
7. "The lakers gon offer the house again in the summer" In response to Reply # 0
The pels will have that offer and likely more.
Its fairly obvious.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
13. "the beauty is - we will see." In response to Reply # 7
I do not think the Lakers offer what they just offered. Technically - they can't (since Zubac is now gone) - and I don't think they will offer the extra moving pieces. They may still offer Kuz & Lonzo or Kuz & BI - but I don't see them offering *everything* like they just did.
16. "Lol they were chanting for him in the 4th qtr" In response to Reply # 14
That was cute while it lasted tho
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
22. "Right they may have painted themselves into a worse corner now lol" In response to Reply # 21 Sat Feb-16-19 10:22 AM by ThaTruth
>loooooootta people loud and wrong about this situation. > >Pels starting to realize their short term satisfaction in >"sticking it" to the Lakers is not serving their long term >interests. > >This will be fun to watch unfold as Ainge offers Brown, Rozier >and a draft pick lol. > >-->
You know Danny Ferry is tight with Pop, he may slide in there, getting Demps dumb ass fired might have been the plan all along
DeepAztheRoot Member since Dec 19th 2003 13992 posts
Sun Feb-17-19 12:53 AM
23. "If the Pels gave a crap about the Lakers offer" In response to Reply # 21 Sun Feb-17-19 12:57 AM by DeepAztheRoot
Demps would have been fired before the deadline and Gayle Benson and associates would have accepted the offer.
Laker fans should prepare to be disappointed this summer in getting AD. Good thing there is quite a bit of other talent out there to assemble around 'Bron before he gets too old.
24. "RE: If the Pels gave a crap about the Lakers offer" In response to Reply # 23
>Demps would have been fired before the deadline and Gayle >Benson and associates would have accepted the offer. > >Laker fans should prepare to be disappointed this summer in >getting AD. Good thing there is quite a bit of other talent >out there to assemble around 'Bron before he gets too old.
most people know that, getting AD was a long shot anyway
Demps would have been fired before the deadline and Gayle Benson and associates would have accepted the offer.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
Tue May-28-19 11:47 PM
27. "yeah that's a pick em." In response to Reply # 26
flip a coin.
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Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86670 posts
Wed May-29-19 11:41 AM
28. "I *really* hope AD and Zion get a chance to play together." In response to Reply # 26
Their skills literally complement each other's PERFECTLY. They'd be a genuine terror together.
I imagine the Pels, short of a brilliant offer from someone, would consider hanging on to AD for the year and trying to convince him through Zion that there's a future in New Orleans. That's a really big risk, though, obviously.
29. "at this point i no longer think so, i think lakers definitely suffered" In response to Reply # 26 Wed May-29-19 01:59 PM by ConcreteCharlie
the pelicans can get a similar or better package (namely with a more blue chip centerpiece) from someone else. or it's slightly possible that zion's arrival convinces davis to stay.
the lakers seem to be reeling. not only did they sustain a temporary setback where their young guys moped around because of the trade leak, now they seem to be in a precarious state on other fronts. this whole lebron thing could dissolve on them and they be back to square one, only with no randle or lopez and a lot of internal turmoil
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32. "Well when you put it that way" In response to Reply # 30
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
41. "lol, in what world did this not work out for the Pelicans?" In response to Reply # 40
the Lakers came out of the previous trade talks looking terrible. That's not even up for debate, they whined and pouted because Pels wanted more than a song and a dance for AD.
LA finally got what they wanted and should be happy, but how are Lakers and Bron stans acting like they just gave up nothing to get him? Ridiculous. Pels made out in this deal.
42. "it worked out great for both sides. " In response to Reply # 41
that's not what's material here.
The commentary in February was that there were going to be several compelling offers for N.O. to look at this summer (which turned out to be false).
Also - Lakers were offering Kuzma along with the core and picks in February - which would've been too much - but would've been an unbelievable package for the Pels. People here were *still* saying that the Pels should've waited - which turned out to be unsound advice.
The Pels just didn't want to give in to the inevitable -and it cost them some trade value for sure. Lakers had way more leverage this summer to hold on to their most coveted young rising star (Kuz) than they did in February when they were willing to part ways.
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