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"The Leadership Committee (Chicago Bulls 2019)"


  

          

10 thoughts on the Bulls this season:

1. John Paxson & Gar Forman are poor talent evaluators and
even worse at roster construction. Which means...

2. I'm not all that excited about the opportunity to draft Zion Williamson.
No way he can reach his ceiling with the way this is organization is currently constructed.
They're not bad at drafting, but they don't know how to build a roster.
One example?

3. The Zach LaVine & Kris Dunn back court.
I know they probably need more time together,
but this backcourt hasn't looked good so far.
They both need the ball in their hands and
when LaVine is running the offense, Dunn isn't
equipped to be a spot up shooter.

4. Another example? Who watches a full year of Cam Payne in OKC
and still decides "we gotta get him"?
Who watches Jabari Parker's previous year in Milwaukee
and thinks...

"But it might work for us" -Tobias Fünke

5. I watch games for Wendell Carter Jr. and Lauri Markkanen.
And lately Chandler Hutchison, who hasn't look horrible in his
extra playing time. I'm still mad the Bulls promised to pick at 22.

6. "It's excruciating to watch them manufacturer possessions."
- Kevin Arnovitz on The Lowe Post Podcast.

7. I repeat, John Paxson & Gar Foreman are horrible at recognizing talent.
Both players AND coaches. I expect Boylen to be the coach next October,
especially if Hoiberg doesn't get another NBA job this summer.

Scott Skiles (Paxson)
Vinny Del Negro (Paxson)
Tom Thibodeau (Supposedly Thibs was a Reinsdorf pick)
Fred Hoiberg (Foreman)
Jim Boylen (Foreman)

Do you trust these guys to conduct a real coaching search?

8. https://twitter.com/RyanBorja/status/1086135050930933760

"Why are people so convinced Bulls are tanking?
To me Bulls are bad because the FO misevalutued their roster,
and foolishly thought they could be more competitive.

The negativity of this list is not due to our W/L record. I wasn't
anticipating that this team would even compete for a playoff spot.
I just wanted the young guys to play together, develop and show
some improvement. Instead we got ATO's of Robin Lopez post ups.

9. I really want to see the Bucks in the Finals.

10. The fact that auragin_boi didn't make this post means he may be
giving up his "glass half full" mentality. No?

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Topic Outline
Subject Author Message Date ID
I want to LOL, but let's talk
Jan 24th 2019
1
RE: I want to LOL, but let's talk
Jan 28th 2019
2
RE: I want to LOL, but let's talk
Jan 28th 2019
3
RE: I want to LOL, but let's talk
Jan 29th 2019
5
      Yikes.
Jan 29th 2019
7
RE: The Leadership Committee (Chicago Bulls 2019)
Jan 29th 2019
4
wait... WCJ done? What happened?
Jan 29th 2019
6
      Thumb Surgery, out 8-12 weeks
Jan 29th 2019
9
Bulls just need a bit more drama this season
Jan 29th 2019
8
Soooo....what now?
Feb 07th 2019
10
RE: Soooo....what now?
Feb 20th 2019
13
The Bulls Might Actually Have a Proper Rebuild on Their Hands
Feb 19th 2019
11
That last paragraph...
Feb 20th 2019
15
Man if you think that Bulls are bad then evaluate the Cavs as well...
Feb 19th 2019
12
Paxson was the worst Cavs exec post Stepien
Feb 20th 2019
14
      RE: Paxson was the worst Cavs exec post Stepien
Feb 20th 2019
16
Fuck it i wanna see Zion in Chicago
Feb 22nd 2019
17
Wendell Carter Jr. on the bench?
Feb 23rd 2019
18
      Shit i completely forgot about Carter
Feb 26th 2019
22
ok listen.
Feb 23rd 2019
19
RE: ok listen.
Feb 24th 2019
20
I'm optimistic about the talent...not the captains of the ship
Feb 25th 2019
21
Coby White
Jun 21st 2019
23
How committed are they to an uptempo style?
Jun 21st 2019
24
roster update:
Jul 02nd 2019
25
Just added Luke Kornet
Jul 03rd 2019
26
      smart vet adds over the last 6 mos (otto, thad, sato)
Jul 03rd 2019
27
      Definitely won't be easy
Jul 03rd 2019
28
      not sure they need another center
Jul 03rd 2019
29
           Blowjob is huff tho
Jul 03rd 2019
30
thumbs up from 538.
Jul 05th 2019
31
I've been kind of blown by how good their moves have been.
Jul 05th 2019
32
What's your starting 5?
Sep 10th 2019
33
RE: What's your starting 5?
Sep 10th 2019
34
completely forgot about gafford
Sep 11th 2019
35
Tomas/LaVine/Porter/Laurie/Carter
Sep 12th 2019
36
      I actually hope he doesn't.
Sep 12th 2019
37

Dr Claw
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1. "I want to LOL, but let's talk"
In response to Reply # 0
Thu Jan-24-19 02:39 PM by Dr Claw

  

          

>1. John Paxson & Gar Forman are poor talent evaluators and
>even worse at roster construction. Which means...
>
>2. I'm not all that excited about the opportunity to draft
>Zion Williamson.
>No way he can reach his ceiling with the way this is
>organization is currently constructed.

if not Zion (I have a feeling if the teams I expect are top 5 picking: Chicago, Cleveland, Phoenix, Orlando, New York, Chicago has a high chance of being top 3 because Silver)... then who?

Bulls would actually be pretty damn good if they got Trae, in retrospect. but that's a moot point.


>3. The Zach LaVine & Kris Dunn back court.
>I know they probably need more time together,
>but this backcourt hasn't looked good so far.
>They both need the ball in their hands and
>when LaVine is running the offense, Dunn isn't
>equipped to be a spot up shooter.

what would you say (ideally) is the answer to this? I'm a fan of Zach but he does Dion it up a good bit with the ball in his hands.


>4. Another example? Who watches a full year of Cam Payne in
>OKC
>and still decides "we gotta get him"?
>Who watches Jabari Parker's previous year in Milwaukee
>and thinks...
>
>"But it might work for us" -Tobias Fünke

I can answer the question for Payne... LOL


>5. I watch games for Wendell Carter Jr. and Lauri Markkanen.
>And lately Chandler Hutchison, who hasn't look horrible in
>his
>extra playing time. I'm still mad the Bulls promised to pick
>at 22.

Wendell + Zion wouldn't be too bad a front court, if they could get the back side right.

>6. "It's excruciating to watch them manufacturer
>possessions."
>- Kevin Arnovitz on The Lowe Post Podcast.

(lol, they should watch that team east on I-90)

>7. I repeat, John Paxson & Gar Foreman are horrible at
>recognizing talent.
>Both players AND coaches. I expect Boylen to be the coach
>next October,
>especially if Hoiberg doesn't get another NBA job this
>summer.
>
>
>
>Scott Skiles (Paxson)
>Vinny Del Negro (Paxson)
>Tom Thibodeau (Supposedly Thibs was a Reinsdorf pick)
>Fred Hoiberg (Foreman)
>Jim Boylen (Foreman)
>
>Do you trust these guys to conduct a real coaching search?

Scott "Ken Reeves" Skiles was a horrible pick.

Thibs was OK until he decided to run everyone into the ground. But I think it had way more to do with his style. As close to a NBA Bill Parcells as you can get.


>8. https://twitter.com/RyanBorja/status/1086135050930933760
>
>"Why are people so convinced Bulls are tanking?
>To me Bulls are bad because the FO misevalutued their roster,
>and foolishly thought they could be more competitive.
>
>The negativity of this list is not due to our W/L record. I
>wasn't
>anticipating that this team would even compete for a playoff
>spot.
>I just wanted the young guys to play together, develop and
>show
>some improvement. Instead we got ATO's of Robin Lopez post
>ups.

LOL. I agree with this. I expected more of the Bulls this season, rather than this utter dysfunction. kinda funny watching McDermott prosper over there in Indy because I thought he would actually be good in a Hoiberg system

>9. I really want to see the Bucks in the Finals.

they're one of the teams I'd like to see. They're probably best equipped to battle the Cheatriots of the NBA in the East.

>10. The fact that auragin_boi didn't make this post means he
>may be
>giving up his "glass half full" mentality. No?

LOL

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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2. "RE: I want to LOL, but let's talk"
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>if not Zion (I have a feeling if the teams I expect are top 5
>picking: Chicago, Cleveland, Phoenix, Orlando, New York,
>Chicago has a high chance of being top 3 because Silver)...
>then who?

>Bulls would actually be pretty damn good if they got Trae, in
>retrospect. but that's a moot point.

Kris Dunn has been named among trade talks, so if they drop him Morant could be an option.
I haven't watched much outside of the top four though.
Wing help for sure.


>what would you say (ideally) is the answer to this? I'm a fan
>of Zach but he does Dion it up a good bit with the ball in his
>hands.

Could be a couple reasons:
- lack of trust in his teammates.
- lack of trust in coaching style
- pressure to live up to contract
- Lauri isn't all that aggressive in asking for the ball

I've heard people bring up that he needs to adopt the James Harden style.
Thing is, if you're not Harden, iso play is making defenders jobs easier.
He's not Harden.
I personally think LaVine is the 3rd option on a contending team.

>Wendell + Zion wouldn't be too bad a front court, if they
>could get the back side right.

I'd even play him at the 3.

Dunn (or a competent shooting PG)
LaVine
Williamson
Markkanen
Carter Jr.

Get you a coach that's not trying to play like the Spurs.
LaVine, Dunn and mayve even Markkanen are "old" enough that
they can bring this team along.


>>6. "It's excruciating to watch them manufacturer
>>possessions."
>>- Kevin Arnovitz on The Lowe Post Podcast.
>
>(lol, they should watch that team east on I-90)

Ha. Cavs know who they are at this point.
Bulls on other hand thought they'd be competing for a playoff spot.


>Scott "Ken Reeves" Skiles was a horrible pick.
>
>Thibs was OK until he decided to run everyone into the ground.
>But I think it had way more to do with his style. As close to
>a NBA Bill Parcells as you can get.

I actually liked Skiles. He got the Baby Bulls to the next level.
Before that they were just spinning wheels.
He's not a long term solution, but he'll make improvements.

>LOL. I agree with this. I expected more of the Bulls this
>season, rather than this utter dysfunction. kinda funny
>watching McDermott prosper over there in Indy because I
>thought he would actually be good in a Hoiberg system

Hoiberg deserved to run w/ this team healthy, so the fact that
he didn't get that is bogus.
I cringe every time I see McDermott.
Bulls gave up 2 1st round picks for him.
TWO!

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>Kris Dunn has been named among trade talks, so if they drop
>him Morant could be an option.
>I haven't watched much outside of the top four though.
>Wing help for sure.

Morant is on my short list, even post-Sexton. esp. if the Cavs are picking top 5, but not top 3. our best hope w/Collin is that he takes a De'Aaron Fox leap in year 2 and an actual offense.

Morant would actually be a good solution to the Bulls' current back court ills.


>- lack of trust in his teammates.
>- lack of trust in coaching style
>- pressure to live up to contract
>- Lauri isn't all that aggressive in asking for the ball
>
>I've heard people bring up that he needs to adopt the James
>Harden style.
>Thing is, if you're not Harden, iso play is making defenders
>jobs easier.
>He's not Harden.
>I personally think LaVine is the 3rd option on a contending
>team.

agreed. Zach doesn't shoot the 3 nearly as well as James so it's just a waste of time.

>I'd even play him at the 3.
>
>Dunn (or a competent shooting PG)
>LaVine
>Williamson
>Markkanen
>Carter Jr.
>
>Get you a coach that's not trying to play like the Spurs.
>LaVine, Dunn and mayve even Markkanen are "old" enough that
>they can bring this team along.


where would this coach come from?

>Hoiberg deserved to run w/ this team healthy, so the fact
>that
>he didn't get that is bogus.
>I cringe every time I see McDermott.
>Bulls gave up 2 1st round picks for him.
>TWO!

LOL.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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5. "RE: I want to LOL, but let's talk"
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Tue Jan-29-19 10:22 AM by auragin_boi

  

          

>if not Zion (I have a feeling if the teams I expect are top 5
>picking: Chicago, Cleveland, Phoenix, Orlando, New York,
>Chicago has a high chance of being top 3 because Silver)...
>then who?
>
>Bulls would actually be pretty damn good if they got Trae, in
>retrospect. but that's a moot point.

If not Zion, I go Barrett then Morant. But either would be great. I like Barrett because I watched him take over the PG responsibilities when Tre Jones went down. It' produced:

26ppg/8.6rpg/5apg

So we'd have a secondary ball-handler/passer who imo has a more diverse skillset than LaVine's. Dunn could focus on D and contribute scoring in spots as it comes (Patrick Beverly 2.0). LaVine, Barrett and Lauri could handle the bulk of the scoring. WCJ could rebound, provide interior D (he's pretty good here) and add some additional scoring potential to the line up (Al Horford 2.0).

I think Morant forces us to choose who our PG will be. Dunn would have to be traded (wouldn't net as much value as we'd like in return) and we'd still need to sort our the SF position (FA? Hutch develops? Valentine when healthy?).

>what would you say (ideally) is the answer to this? I'm a fan
>of Zach but he does Dion it up a good bit with the ball in his
>hands.

A competent offensive coach maybe? Some consistent health out of both of them maybe? Or a trade of Dunn maybe?

>Wendell + Zion wouldn't be too bad a front court, if they
>could get the back side right.

Zion would have to play SF, which might be ok given his athletic ability but that's not a 'perfect' fit for him. I'd be willing to chance it though. He'd bully most of the wings in the league right now given his size/strength/ability.

>(lol, they should watch that team east on I-90)

Y'all just beat us. lol

>Scott "Ken Reeves" Skiles was a horrible pick.

Scott was a transition coach as Leroy said. He was akin to Doug Collins during the MJ years.

>Thibs was OK until he decided to run everyone into the ground.
>But I think it had way more to do with his style. As close to
>a NBA Bill Parcells as you can get.

Thibs didn't do what Pop did...adapt. He had a good base and needed to grow from it. His old habits are exactly the things that got him ousted from Minny.

>LOL. I agree with this. I expected more of the Bulls this
>season, rather than this utter dysfunction. kinda funny
>watching McDermott prosper over there in Indy because I
>thought he would actually be good in a Hoiberg system

We traded what has turned out to be Jusuf Nurkic and Gary Harris for this dude. And what's even funnier is the passed over LaVine and Payne to draft him @ 11. SMFH NO vision.

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>We traded what has turned out to be Jusuf Nurkic and Gary
>Harris for this dude. And what's even funnier is the passed
>over LaVine and Payne to draft him @ 11. SMFH NO vision.

The Nurkic is especially painful, considering how Denver is playing out...

LOL @ two guys who ended up being on the Bulls

  

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>1. John Paxson & Gar Forman are poor talent evaluators and
>even worse at roster construction. Which means...

Seen ><

>2. I'm not all that excited about the opportunity to draft
>Zion Williamson.
>No way he can reach his ceiling with the way this is
>organization is currently constructed.
>They're not bad at drafting, but they don't know how to build
>a roster.
>One example?

I don't care who it is in the top 3, you get the talent and hope that the talent overcomes their incompetence like the D-Rose years. And I think we'll have more talent with this crop than that crop.

>3. The Zach LaVine & Kris Dunn back court.
>I know they probably need more time together,
>but this backcourt hasn't looked good so far.
>They both need the ball in their hands and
>when LaVine is running the offense, Dunn isn't
>equipped to be a spot up shooter.

They haven't had the right coach to make this work and they both have been injured so there's a lack of chemistry. They need a solid 30 straight games together and good coaching to make this work. So fat chance...

>4. Another example? Who watches a full year of Cam Payne in
>OKC
>and still decides "we gotta get him"?
>Who watches Jabari Parker's previous year in Milwaukee
>and thinks...
>
>"But it might work for us" -Tobias Fünke

Ugh...

>5. I watch games for Wendell Carter Jr. and Lauri Markkanen.
>And lately Chandler Hutchison, who hasn't look horrible in
>his
>extra playing time. I'm still mad the Bulls promised to pick
>at 22.

And I think there were players that made more sense than Hutch at 22 but I see potential in him.

>6. "It's excruciating to watch them manufacturer
>possessions."
>- Kevin Arnovitz on The Lowe Post Podcast.

I only watch periodically now and when I do, it's to see how Lauri and WCJ develop. Now that WCJ is done for the season...ugh.

>7. I repeat, John Paxson & Gar Foreman are horrible at
>recognizing talent.
>Both players AND coaches. I expect Boylen to be the coach
>next October,
>especially if Hoiberg doesn't get another NBA job this
>summer.
>Scott Skiles (Paxson)
>Vinny Del Negro (Paxson)
>Tom Thibodeau (Supposedly Thibs was a Reinsdorf pick)
>Fred Hoiberg (Foreman)
>Jim Boylen (Foreman)
>Do you trust these guys to conduct a real coaching search?

No, because they treat hiring an NBA coach like hiring an overseer.

>8. https://twitter.com/RyanBorja/status/1086135050930933760
>
>"Why are people so convinced Bulls are tanking?
>To me Bulls are bad because the FO misevalutued their roster,
>and foolishly thought they could be more competitive.
>
>The negativity of this list is not due to our W/L record. I
>wasn't
>anticipating that this team would even compete for a playoff
>spot.
>I just wanted the young guys to play together, develop and
>show
>some improvement. Instead we got ATO's of Robin Lopez post
>ups.

I had them pegged at 35-43 games. I thought with health we would have been competitive and I still hold to that. But we lost major guys for extended periods before we could get out the gate. With this team, that was a death sentence. BUT, it did get us closer to the Zion/Morant/Barrett jackpot

>9. I really want to see the Bucks in the Finals.

After Saturday and X-mas 2017...The most fun would be the Celtics. Bucks don't shoot well enough to make a series against the Warriors fun. There's also a lack of playoff experience on that roster vs the C's.

>10. The fact that auragin_boi didn't make this post means he
>may be
>giving up his "glass half full" mentality. No?

Nah, I just understand this organization. They have to 'dumb luck' their way into relevancy. And our next chance at that is this summer. The drawback is that, it buys GarPax more time.

Reinsdorf is a top 5 worst owner (Gilbert, Dolan, Sarver, Cheesey E?) so I'm never optimistic about what they'll do. I have to actually have faith in the 'players'.

We should have some money to throw around this summer (Jabari won't be back) and a top 3-5 pick. We 'should' be able to upgrade one of our starting spots and add a young stud ready to contribute immediately.

So to answer your question, my optimism will return this summer. I'm busy just enjoying the rest of the league right now.

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9. "Thumb Surgery, out 8-12 weeks"
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Wendell Carter Jr. underwent successful thumb surgery on Monday and he will miss the next 8-12 weeks of action.

That pretty much does it for Carter Jr. in fantasy hoops, so he can be sent to the wire in most re-draft formats. Bobby Portis is the primary beneficiary here, and there will be more minutes available for Robin Lopez, Cristiano Felicio and Jabari Parker.



So 8 weeks puts us at the end of March and 12 weeks at the end of April.

Season ends April 10th. He's pretty much done for the year.

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8. "Bulls just need a bit more drama this season"
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This is optimistic, but the Bulls have had such a laughably pathetic and embarrassing season that Reinsdorf MIGHT say enough is enough and fire BarfPacks. At this point I'm rooting for more league insiders calling us the laughing stock of the league, more blowouts, some tense moments between Boylen and the players, and the continued subliminal shits and unhappy body language from our "core".

What the fuck were they thinking firing Hoiberg? In retrospect it's even more dumbfounding. He was brought in to help develop "younger and more athletic" players and run a respectable offense. For different reasons he never had the success but the young players were learning and improving in his offense. Let him finish out the season then find an improvement instead of firing him before he has a healthy team and replacing him with a polar opposite overseer as somebody said who loves the 90s and is stunting the growth of every player on the roster (minus Lopez) . Literally everybody looks worse. BarfPacks have no fucking idea what kind of team or culture they want to build.

This draft doesn't excite me too much either. I've been loud and wrong before but I'm not seeing franchise cornerstone potential out of Zion. He looks like a bulkier yet more athletic Julius Randle to me and his fit makes no sense on this team. Nobody else is all that convincing, especially after the potential shown in the top 5 picks last year. The Bulls had bad luck and BarfPacks showed no creativity in moving up. That was our big chance but hopefully I'm wrong and a new FO picks a player that sets us on the right path this year.

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10. "Soooo....what now?"
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Dunn
LaVine
Otto
Lauri
WCJ

Hutch
Valentine
Blakeney
felicio
Asik (WTF?)

^^^Only contracts on the books this summer. We should be about $28 mil under the cap if my math is right. And we have the 4th worst record in the league.

Draft boards look like this at the top:
1-Zion
2-Morant
3-Barrett
4-Reddish

What moves/draft picks do you think make the most sense for us?

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13. "RE: Soooo....what now?"
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>Dunn
>LaVine
>Otto
>Lauri
>WCJ
>
>Hutch
>Valentine
>Blakeney
>felicio
>Asik (WTF?)

Blakeney is gone I believe (gleague).
When Hutchison gets healthy, he needs all the minutes he can get.

>Draft boards look like this at the top:
>1-Zion
>2-Morant
>3-Barrett
>4-Reddish
>
>What moves/draft picks do you think make the most sense for
>us?

Zion of course.
Is there a world where there'd be room for
both Porter and Zion?

Morant after that.
Murph said we can't get much for Dunn.
So let them battle for starting PG.

3 pick or worse...
Man, I don't know.
I'll be watching Little and RJ tonight.

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11. "The Bulls Might Actually Have a Proper Rebuild on Their Hands"
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The Bulls Might Actually Have a Proper Rebuild on Their Hands
Chicago’s deadline acquisition of Otto Porter Jr. has already made a difference, but it has nothing to do with wins and losses and everything to do with finding the right complementary pieces for a young, structureless team
By Jonathan Tjarks Feb 19, 2019, 6:30am EST

Otto Porter Jr. has gotten off to the best possible start with the Bulls. He is averaging 22.5 points on 62.1 percent shooting, 5.8 rebounds, and 2.3 assists in the four games since they traded for him at the deadline. He won’t keep shooting this well, but he doesn’t have to in order to be worth the small price Chicago paid for him: two players on expiring contracts (Bobby Portis and Jabari Parker) whom it wasn’t going to re-sign. The negatives with Porter (his massive contract and impact on draft positioning) don’t outweigh the value that his presence on the floor gives their other young players. A rebuilding team needs the stability that a player like Porter can provide.

Players with his skill set are both valuable and hard to find. At 6-foot-8 and 198 pounds with a 7-foot-1 wingspan, Porter is an elite shooter (career 40.2 percent from 3 on 3.2 attempts per game) with a high basketball IQ who has the physical tools to defend multiple positions. There are not many tall wings who can space the floor and make good decisions with the ball while also being a positive on defense. Porter is one of five 6-foot-8 and taller players this season averaging at least four 3-point attempts, two assists, and one steal per game while shooting higher than 40 percent from the field. The other four are LeBron James, Paul George, Khris Middleton, and Joe Ingles.

The biggest knock on Porter is that he isn’t aggressive enough for a player on a max contract. He has a player option for $28.9 million in the 2020-21 season, which is a lot to pay someone who never averaged more than 12 field goal attempts per game or had a usage rate higher than 20 in six seasons in Washington. Part of the issue is that he has spent his career playing next to two All-Star-caliber guards in John Wall and Bradley Beal. There weren’t enough shots and touches to go around with all three on the floor, and the Wizards rarely staggered their minutes. Porter settled into a smaller role, spotting up off Wall and Beal rather than hunting for his own shot.

The Bulls have given him the opportunity to stretch his wings. They are running more plays for him: The percentage of his offense that comes from handling the ball in the pick-and-roll has almost tripled (32.9) from his time with the Wizards (12.7). To be sure, there are still limits to how much Porter can be the focal point of an offense. He’s not an elite athlete, and he doesn’t have the strength and broad shoulders of Middleton and Ingles, both of whom can push smaller players out of the way and create space off the dribble without a great first step. Porter has not suddenly turned into a ball-dominant player—he is averaging only 14.5 field goal attempts per game with a usage rate of 22.5 in Chicago—he’s just not missing shots. The 57.9 percent he’s shooting from 3 and 64.1 percent he’s shooting from 2 will come down in the coming weeks.

It doesn’t matter; the numbers aren’t as important as the potential he unlocks for everyone around him. The threat of Porter’s jumper will still create space for his teammates even after his percentages normalize. Defenses cannot leave him open. Not only does he have a high release point that allows him to shoot over the top of close-outs, he has the ability to shoot off movement. According to the tracking numbers at Synergy Sports, he was in the 66th percentile of players leaguewide when shooting off the dribble in Washington and in the 87th percentile when shooting after coming around screens off the ball. He threatens the defense just by moving around the court, and he won’t take a bad shot once he gets the ball. If they collapse on him, he will find the open man.

Porter is also the rare elite shooter who contributes on the other side of the ball. While he’s not a lockdown defender, he’s a smart player who knows how to use his length to funnel his man into help. That length comes in handy off the ball, too: He has excellent career steal (2.2 percent) and block rates (1.4 percent) for a perimeter player. Porter was one of the few constants amid the chaos in Washington. He’s a plus-minus machine. He had the best net rating of any of their rotation players when he was on the floor in each of the past two seasons, and the team had its lowest net rating when he was off the floor. His health might be the biggest concern for Chicago going forward, as he has been bothered by hip issues and seemed a step slow at times this season.

The Bulls need someone like Porter to complement the young players they already have. They have more talent than their abysmal record (14-44) and net rating (minus-8.4) indicate. Zach LaVine, for all his flaws, is a hyper-athletic guard averaging 23 points per game on 46.2 percent shooting at the age of 23. Lauri Markkanen (21) and Wendell Carter Jr. (19) make up one of the most talented young frontcourts in the league. Markkanen is an elite shooter with an incredibly fluid offensive game for a 7-footer, and Carter is a skilled big man who has shown the potential to be a defensive anchor as a rookie. He is sitting out the rest of this season with a thumb injury, but he will benefit greatly from playing with Porter when he returns for his sophomore campaign.

Markkanen is averaging 23.0 points on 45.7 percent shooting, 14.0 rebounds, and 3.3 assists since the trade. The small sample size means that the numbers themselves aren’t that important. The key is the way he is getting them: Defenses have a harder time sending help toward Markkanen with Porter next to him, while playing in more space in the half court has made it easier for him to read the floor and make plays for his teammates. Markkanen has an assist-to-turnover ratio of 3-to-1 in the 113 minutes he has played with Porter, a huge leap from his ratio (0.8-to-1) over the rest of the season. He has the ability to be an offensive cornerstone, but a combination of factors, from a lingering elbow injury to a midseason coaching change and a lack of talent in his supporting cast, have prevented him from taking the leap that many expected this season. The Bulls need to do everything they can to facilitate his growth.

It’s hard to develop young players if there isn’t much offensive structure in place around them. Chicago is no. 27 in the NBA in 3-point attempts per game this season (26.6) and second-to-last in the number of makes (9.4). There weren’t many driving lanes for Markkanen and LaVine or room for Carter in the paint before the trade. The Bulls needed a small forward who could open up the floor while moving the ball and filling in gaps on defense. Parker checked none of those boxes. No one they would have been able to add this summer would have filled all three. They will not be a free-agent destination until they start winning games.

The opportunity cost of adding Porter was low. The Jabari experiment backfired almost instantly, and there was no reason for them to commit big money to a third big man (Portis) when he hit restricted free agency. The Bulls don’t need Porter to play like a star, either. Unlike the Wizards, who were pressed up against the luxury tax, Chicago still has room to maneuver even with Porter on its books. The franchise has only $81 million in salary committed for next season, putting it almost $30 million under the cap. The Bulls can still rent out space to acquire draft picks, like they did when trading for Omer Asik last season, and try their luck with restricted free agents who fit better around Markkanen and Carter. With those two on rookie deals, Chicago has plenty of money to spare.

Nor will winning more games over the next few months dramatically impact the Bulls’ future. They are 2-2 with a net rating of plus-2.7 since acquiring Porter, but they have dug such a deep hole for themselves that there is nothing they do can to meaningfully change their odds of winning the Zion Williamson sweepstakes. The NBA evened out the lottery odds this season so that even the worst team in the league has only a 14 percent chance of getting the no. 1 overall pick. The Bulls, with the fourth-worst record, are at 12.5 percent. There is little chance they’ll finish lower than fifth, which has a 10.5 percent shot. They have seven fewer wins than the sixth-worst team (the Grizzlies) with 25 games left in the season.

Getting a player like Zion, who can single-handedly change a franchise, is more about luck than losing games. The NBA draft is like any other lottery: there is one winner and a lot of losers. Even winding up at no. 2 overall isn’t always a good thing. The difference in expected value between the no. 1 and no. 2 picks is almost identical to the difference between no. 2 and no. 7. Recent history is littered with no. 2 picks (Evan Turner, Derrick Williams, Michael Beasley, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Parker) who have not lived up to their potential. The Bulls have all the proof they need that it’s more about drafting well than where you draft. Markkanen and Carter were both acquired at no. 7 overall, and each could wind up as top-three players in their respective drafts if they continue to develop.

Accumulating a bunch of high lottery picks doesn’t guarantee anything beyond a lot of losing. The Magic, who haven’t sniffed the playoffs in almost a decade, are the perfect example. They have had plenty of talent in that time: They had Victor Oladipo and Tobias Harris on the same team at one point. The problem was that they were never able to create an environment around those players to help them reach their potential. Neither blossomed until they wound up in a better situation. Porter has made the players the Bulls have better, and he will make whoever they take in this year’s draft better too. He gives Chicago more structure on both ends of the floor, which means this trade is already a win, no matter what happens going forward.​

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15. "That last paragraph..."
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>Accumulating a bunch of high lottery picks doesn’t guarantee
>anything beyond a lot of losing. The Magic, who haven’t
>sniffed the playoffs in almost a decade, are the perfect
>example. They have had plenty of talent in that time: They had
>Victor Oladipo and Tobias Harris on the same team at one
>point. The problem was that they were never able to create an
>environment around those players to help them reach their
>potential. Neither blossomed until they wound up in a better
>situation.

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12. "Man if you think that Bulls are bad then evaluate the Cavs as well..."
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whom Paxson used to work for as well.

There’s no hope for the Bulls. The only thing that they can pray for is if MJ wants to give it one more try.



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14. "Paxson was the worst Cavs exec post Stepien"
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and he's the prime reason LeBron never had "help"

could have kept Boozer there all those years. Just imagine if he won a title or 4.

  

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16. "RE: Paxson was the worst Cavs exec post Stepien"
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>and he's the prime reason LeBron never had "help"
>
>could have kept Boozer there all those years. Just imagine if
>he won a title or 4.

Stepien was probably the worst exec EVER!!!!!

As a matter of fact, the Cavs have never had a solid GM. These two franchises along with a couple of other are going to be bringing up the rear for at least another decade.


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17. "Fuck it i wanna see Zion in Chicago"
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Dunn
Lavine
Porter
Markanen
Zion

That would be a starting five i could get behind and a lot of fun to watch.

  

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18. "Wendell Carter Jr. on the bench?"
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22. "Shit i completely forgot about Carter"
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I would think one of Carter, Zion or Lauri would have to come off the bench.

  

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19. "ok listen."
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i know bulls fans love negativity. and i get it. i do.

we all hate forman's fucking face. and want him and it gone. same w pax and the reinsdorfs. and saying anything positive about the team feels like indirectly praising them.

so i understand. but it's time to concede some things.

the butler trade was a good trade. the markkanen and carter picks were good picks. and the porter trade was a good trade.

the offense looks awesome (3rd in the league behind GS and HOU in the month of february), the scoring margin in the losses is getting smaller and smaller (4 of the last 7 by 5 or less, w another 2 in single digits), markkanen lavine and porter look like a very credible scoring trio.

the team is progressing. it's okay to admit it. some capspace to play with this summer along w a top 5 pick.

there's reason to be optimistic.

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20. "RE: ok listen."
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>there's reason to be optimistic.

yes.

This post was made before the porter trade which
I agree was a good move. Addition by subtraction.
They removed 2 players that were a detriment and
added a position of need.

And yes, their last two drafts added solid building blocks.

But there are clues that show these guys almost look like they're winging it.

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21. "I'm optimistic about the talent...not the captains of the ship"
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>i know bulls fans love negativity. and i get it. i do.
>
>we all hate forman's fucking face. and want him and it gone.
>same w pax and the reinsdorfs. and saying anything positive
>about the team feels like indirectly praising them.

I give credit where credit is due. But they've made some major mistakes that stunted where we could be today and those decisions were against all common sense.

>so i understand. but it's time to concede some things.
>
>the butler trade was a good trade. the markkanen and carter
>picks were good picks. and the porter trade was a good trade.

I've said both of these so...

>the offense looks awesome (3rd in the league behind GS and HOU
>in the month of february), the scoring margin in the losses is
>getting smaller and smaller (4 of the last 7 by 5 or less, w
>another 2 in single digits), markkanen lavine and porter look
>like a very credible scoring trio.
>
>the team is progressing. it's okay to admit it. some capspace
>to play with this summer along w a top 5 pick.
>
>there's reason to be optimistic.

This is true and we are moving in the right direction but I feel like it's in spite of Boylen/GarPax/Reinsdorf. I also feel like they're going to find a way to f*ck this up.

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23. "Coby White"
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Do you start White at PG or sign a veteran to run and teach?

If the goal is to try to make the playoffs this season, then you bring in some help.
But I'd rather see them play White at PG like De'Aron Fox in Sacramento,
and let him learn that way.

Pax has already gone on record he envisions lineups with both Dunn and White playing together.

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24. "How committed are they to an uptempo style?"
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Cuz White is a wizard in transition, but he definitely comes back down to earth in most ways in the halfcourt. Not nearly as good a passer, doesn't ever attack the rim, settles for bad shots. But if he's got a head of steam going, he's killer.

So I'd think that would determine that answer.

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25. "roster update:"
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The Bulls likely aren't done yet in free agency, but their 2019-20 roster is beginning to take shape. After adding Thaddeus Young on a reported three-year deal on Sunday night, the Bulls were up bright and early and added point guard Tomas Satoransky in a sign-and-trade with the Washington Wizards.

Here's where the Bulls' roster stands for now. Ryan Arcidiacono still has his qualifying offer from the Bulls and could be back if no other team offers him a deal. Or, the Bulls could rescind the qualifying offer by July 13 and part ways with him. The Bulls also still have their full $4.8 Mid-Level Exception to use.

PG: Tomas Satoransky, Kris Dunn, Coby White
SG: Zach LaVine, Denzel Valentine, Antonio Blakeney
SF: Otto Porter, Chandler Hutchison
PF: Lauri Markkanen, Thaddeus Young
C: Wendell Carter Jr., Cristiano Felicio, Daniel Gafford



Point guard
The Bulls identified Satoransky as their target and got him with a healthy three-year, $30 million deal. He can play off the ball and has excellent size at 6-foot-7, but his main traits will be initiating offense as the lead point guard. He played really well after John Wall suffered his season-ending injury, and 10 different times he logged double-digit assists for the Wizards. He's a solid defender with good length, too.

Dunn is the clear backup at this point but there's still a rotation spot for him. Satoransky's ability to play off the ball, as well as Coby White's catch-and-shoot ability, mean Dunn should find playing time as the backup point guard. He'll have to buy in to the role - admittedly a tough ask after being a top-5 pick just 3 years ago - but he's proven he can post solid numbers without Zach LaVine, so maybe a move to the second unit will suit him best. There are also reports that the Bulls are looking to deal Dunn, but he's here for now.

White has a path to playing time because he's able to play off the ball. He's third on the depth chart here because he's 19 years old and hasn't played a minute of professional basketball, but it's easy to see where he fits in next season as a guard who can push pace and attack the basket, or set up on the perimeter if he's playing with one of Satoransky or Dunn.

Shooting guard
LaVine is well on his way to becoming an All-Star and should see a small jump in efficiency now that he won't be asked to take on such a heavy burden offensively. Satoransky was the perfect point guard for Bradley Beal - a low-usage, pass-heavy guard who can spot up without the ball in his hands - and Beal enjoyed a career year alongside him. Don't expect LaVine to put up Beal-like numbers, but he'll enjoy playing alongside Satoransky.

It's anyone's guess as to how Valentine will return from reconstructive ankle surgery that cost him all of last season. He wasn't exactly an athletic freak prior to the surgery, so questions about how well he can move and jump will linger until we see results. If he can provide spot-up shooting, passing in the halfcourt and isn't a liability defensively, the Bulls will be thrilled.

Blakeney's contract was guaranteed through this season, and it's really the only reason he's still here. The White and Satoransky addition, along with Chandler Hutchison and the return of Valentine, mean Blakeney will be used for garbage minutes and nothing else.

Small forward
Porter shot the lights out in the limited time he spent with the Bulls post-trade and pre-shoulder injury. While no one expects him to shoot nearly 49% on 5.3 triples per game next season, but Porter certainly looked like the player who lit it up in 2017 and 2018 in Washington. He posted solid two-man lineup numbers with Satoransky and should only benefit from having a driving, pass-first point guard on the floor. It could be a big season for No. 22.

Hutchison didn't show all that much in his rookie season, and he's already 23 years old. But with the Bulls having little depth on the wing - depending on how they fill out the rest of the roster - he'll have a significant role. He'll need to improve his shot taking and shot making. While he showed an ability to get to the rim and finish in transition, his halfcourt game has a lot of holes. Playing his more natural small forward position from the get-go should help.

Power forward
The sky's the limit for Markkanen entering his third season. He didn't exactly have a breakout campaign a year ago, but we'll chalk part of that up to the elbow injury that cost him 10 weeks at the start of the season. That scary fatigue episode late in the season seems to be behind him, so he'll enter his third year as the No. 2 scoring option and someone who could really blossom in a more versatile role. He'll likely see some time at center, especially with the Thaddeus Young signing in free agency.

Young's best playing days are behind him but he's still an efficient two-way forward who's as reliable as they come. He hasn't missed a game due to injury in his team's last 193 contests (he sat out Game 82s in both 2018 and 2019 for the Pacers, the only contests he missed in that span). He's a lock for 12 points and 6 rebounds per night while also providing an all-important locker room presence for this young Bulls team. Markkanen and Wendell Carter Jr. have a great mentor in Young.

Center
Carter showed flashes in the 44 games he appeared in during his rookie season. He's got things to work on, but that's completely understandable for a 20-year-old center. The Bulls will hope he can extend his range in Year 2 - he made just 20 of 71 shot past 16 feet (28.1%) and he'll need to limit his fouls. But everything is there for Carter to be the center of the future and the foundation of the Bulls' defense.

Gafford has work to do before he's ready to contribute to an NBA offense, but the Bulls could do worse than letting him and Kris Dunn run pick-and-roll action on the second unit. Gafford is a solid interior defender but will need to improve his footwork and quickness so he isn't beat on switches and shots from the perimeter. He's 6 months older than Carter but is much more a project at this stage in his career.

Who knows if the Bulls were looking for takers, but no one bit on Felicio's contract. He won't play much, if at all, as long as the frontcourt remains healthy.

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26. "Just added Luke Kornet"
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I like the mix of Vets+young guys. I think we're built to play fast and can also play slow.

Last year I thought we'd win 35-42 games but health obviously destroyed that possibility.

I feel like we're right back there but maybe a little better equipped to do it now because of the potential depth and vets.

Tomas is probably the starter and he seems pretty durable.
Thad is durable. So PG and PF has solid stability from a health stand point. If we can get 70+ games from Lauri, LaVine, Porter and WCJ, I don't see why we couldn't challenge for a 6-8 seed in the east (took 42 wins for a 6th seed this season and I think it'll be similar next season due to the increasing parity).

I like where we are though. We're young but experienced and I think that's a good combo for a team about to make a leap. The ages at every position are ideal for where we are IMO.

PG-27/25/19
SG-24/26/23
SF-26/23
PF-22/31
C-20/21/24

At worse, I think maybe one more seasoned C (age 26-31) might be a final piece. Possibly another back up SF (I'd love to snag Marcus Morris).

I'm cautiously optimistic we'll fight for a playoff spot this season.

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27. "smart vet adds over the last 6 mos (otto, thad, sato)"
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offs will still be tough. bk, indy, orl should all be better. 8 seed is possible tho.

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28. "Definitely won't be easy"
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MIA should be middling depending on what they do. They trade Dragic and don't get the right return and I think we end up pretty even with or better than them. Det is ripe for overtaking. Cha should take a step back losing lamb and kemba. Hawks might be a season away. We have a strong shot at #8 min. If Orl slips at all #7 is possible.

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29. "not sure they need another center "
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already 4 1/2 on the roster (wcj, the rook, chris blowjob, kornet, lauri) and the position's being increasingly de-emphasized.

I'd go for an backup wing w 3 pt range in that 15th slot. hutch is more of a 3.5 (and can't shoot) and who knows what denzel will look like post surgery.

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30. "Blowjob is huff tho"
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And they'd get rid of him at first chance if possible.

Kornet is 'eh'

The rook is...a rook.

Lauri and WCJ both had major injuries that docked one 10 weeks and the other almost half the season (though I know some tank management was in there too).

A solid vet C that can shoot obvi is what I was leaning toward. Someone who could hold the fort if any turbulence happened. A Baynes or Olynyk type. Baynes might be perfect for it.

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NBA Free Agent Diary: Don’t Look Now, But The Bulls Are Making Some Smart Signings
By Chris Herring

The month of July has been interesting in recent years for the Chicago Bulls, and often not in a good way.

Last year, they agreed to a two-year, $40 million contract (albeit one with a team option in the second season) with Jabari Parker, though he didn’t fit well within their roster and he appeared to have few, if any suitors, at that price so late in the summer. (The marriage fizzled quickly, and they dealt him at the trade deadline.) Two years prior, some fans were elated and others were confused when the Bulls closed deals with Rajon Rondo and Chicago native Dwyane Wade, even though signing the former All-Stars ran totally counter to the youth-movement plan the front office had just talked up. (That season had a number of highs and odd lows, eventually resulting in both players — and franchise star Jimmy Butler — leaving the team the following year.)

But for all the well-deserved criticism the Bulls have gotten the past few years, so far the team has made a handful of smart, under-the-radar signings that figure to enhance their talented youngsters.

The three NBA vets they’ve added to the roster through free agency — Thaddeus Young from the Pacers, Tomas Satoransky from the Wizards and Luke Kornet from the Knicks — are all perceived as pretty clear bargains, according to FiveThirtyEight’s CARMELO model, which lays out estimates of what a player should earn in future years based on advanced statistics and aging projections.

We mentioned earlier in the week that the 31-year-old Young, a versatile lefty forward who should immediately help Chicago’s lackluster defense, is projected to produce $5 million more in value than his contract is worth. And the other two newcomers figure to generate an even better return than Young will.

Satoransky filled the team’s obvious need for a starting-caliber point guard, and despite his impressive ability both to finish at the rim and to knock down shots from outside (he shot almost 44 percent from 3-point range when left wide-open last season), he doesn’t hoard the ball. His incredibly low usage rate of 14 percent is a plus for Chicago, since Zach LaVine and Lauri Markkanen — 24 and 22 years old, respectively — need to keep growing as scorers and playmakers. Satoransky agreed to a deal of three years for $30 million, and our projection model has him generating almost $52 million worth of production over that span.

Kornet should see far less playing time than Satoransky and Young, but he stands a good chance of being productive in his minutes as a backup center. If the Bulls are seeking to pivot into more of a 3-point shooting team (they ranked just 28th in 3-point attempt rate last season) the 7-foot-1 Texas native will help them do that. He launched almost nine threes per 36 minutes last year, the NBA’s second-highest rate among 7-footers who played at least 500 minutes, while hitting 36 percent of them.

Chicago learned the hard way just how productive Kornet can be — the best games of his career came against the Bulls last year. While the exact numbers on Kornet’s two-year deal haven’t been reported yet (the Bulls may still be deciding whether to fit him into their cap space as opposed to spending part of their room exception on him), Chicago figures to get fantastic value here on this contract, too. Our model projects him to give the Bulls about $23 million worth of production over the next two seasons.

The team’s decision to re-sign guard Ryan Arcidiacono looks smart, too. The sure-handed backup, who owned one of the NBA’s healthiest assist-to-turnover ratios last season, was a bright spot as fellow point guard Kris Dunn struggled with health and inconsistency. Arcidiacono is slated to make $9 million over the next three seasons in this new deal. FiveThirtyEight’s CARMELO projections have him being worth closer to $31 million over that span.

Interestingly enough, Chicago’s flurry of value signings comes as ex-Bulls forward Bobby Portis (the team had tried to sign Portis to an extension ahead of last season) joins the Knicks on a two-year, $31 million deal that, according to our site’s model, rates as one of the biggest free-agent overpays of the summer. (The projections really hate Portis’s defense.)

This isn’t to suggest that the Bulls are on track to make a total turnaround this season. The team’s draft pick, Coby White out of North Carolina, may turn out to be good. But in many analysts’ minds — and in our draft projections — there was a pretty clear line of demarcation in talent that came just before Chicago’s pick. And while the organizational turbulence subsided after the odd first week of coach Jim Boylen’s tenure in December, it wasn’t clear why the front office was so quick to hand him the permanent job when it wouldn’t have hurt to consider other candidates for the gig.

Still, for all the gripes fans may have about John Paxson and Gar Forman, this week’s free-agent signings shouldn’t be among them. These new Bulls aren’t stars, and they likely won’t ever be. But Chicago deserves credit for not only signing solid players but also getting them on cost-effective contracts.

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32. "I've been kind of blown by how good their moves have been."
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33. "What's your starting 5?"
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satoransky / dunn / arcidiacono
zach / white+
porter jr. / valentine
markkanen / young# / kornet
carter jr. / mokoka


+ Until they trade Dunn, I don't see Coby cracking the PG lineup, so I'm hoping they play him at 2 and LaVine at 3 sometimes.

# I've also read some reports of Thad Young starting. I really hope that's not the case. Markkanen and Cater Jr. need playing time together.

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34. "RE: What's your starting 5?"
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>satoransky / dunn / arcidiacono
>zach / white+
>porter jr. / valentine
>markkanen / young# / kornet
>carter jr. / mokoka <---this dude is a guard on a 2 way deal lol

I like your lineups but replace Mokoka with Gafford. The bench should be a little stronger this year which will benefit us.

>+ Until they trade Dunn, I don't see Coby cracking the PG
>lineup, so I'm hoping they play him at 2 and LaVine at 3
>sometimes.

Depends on how Dunn plays. And he's not getting traded until someone's PG gets hurt and they need depth or unless he starts the year on a tear.

># I've also read some reports of Thad Young starting. I
>really hope that's not the case. Markkanen and Cater Jr. need
>playing time together.

Thad shouldn't start but if he does, it should be for WCJ. I don't see any benefit in making him the starter though. Let him help the bench and WCJ continue to develop.

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35. "completely forgot about gafford"
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>Thad shouldn't start but if he does, it should be for WCJ. I
>don't see any benefit in making him the starter though. Let
>him help the bench and WCJ continue to develop.

That second unit is so much more improved.
That is, if Valentine can remain healthy.

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36. "Tomas/LaVine/Porter/Laurie/Carter"
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I'm loving the fact that I am hearing NOTHING but shade from commentators regarding the Bulls.

I want to go on record as saying that this core is going to surprise people this year.

White is going to get a year to be a rook w/o too much pressure.
Dunn is going to play like his $$ depends on it.
Tomas been balling overseas...he's going to open up those driving lanes.
LaVine's trade to the Bulls was one I was FULLY in favor of...I just like saying I'm right.
Porter was a monster last year. The runway is clear now that he's no longer playing 3rd fiddle to Fat Sonic the Ballhog
Carter and Laurie is the big question mark. They need a full season to develop the chemistry needed for that next jump.
Gafford new name is No J Taj

I'm not saying they are gonna win division or no shit like that...but this team is better than they are being credited.

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37. "I actually hope he doesn't."
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>Dunn is going to play like his $$ depends on it.

I actually hope he doesn't. At least not for us.
And this is coming from someone that wanted the Bulls to initially draft him.

I think him being on this roster come training camp:

a.) Causes a PG controversy. He'll want to start, but I think Tomas is better. I don't know much about Tomas outside of what a few Wizards fans have told me and his box score in FIBA. But given the starting lineup, I think the PG needs to find ways to FEED our scorers, not look for his own shot. If he's willing to ride w/ the 2nd unit, fine. But if I'm Dunn, he's gotta play his card of knowing the offense better than Tomas.

b.) Essentially drains minutes Coby could be getting as the backup PG.

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