4. "Its not a travel. You start counting steps when the dribble ends" In response to Reply # 0 Fri Dec-28-18 09:13 PM by Cenario
At the point the video is saying step 1, harden can still put the ball on the floor and dribble legally. The dribble ended when his second hand touched the ball. Thn he took two steps
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10. "Yep, im sure thats exactly how the rule book defines it" In response to Reply # 8
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11. "Lol the ball never rests in hardens hand" In response to Reply # 9
The vid says dribble ends as soon as the ball touches his hand.
If harden van legally dribble the ball, the dribble hasnt ended.
Check the rule book. Rule 4 probably section 3 or 4.
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12. "Exactly, having your palm on the ball =/= dribble ended" In response to Reply # 11
In that case, you can't even dribble the ball. One of the key things players are taught is the ability to take multiple steps between dribbles or with the hand on the ball.
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14. "Besides being factually wrong per the rule book" In response to Reply # 13
What you are in insinuating doesnt make sense practically. What you are stating is that a ref should be counting steps every time the player is dribbling the ball, bc maybe he'll pick up his dribble? Lol
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17. "Even easier, is following the rule book." In response to Reply # 15
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50. "not sure why you're even bothering here but i do have a question for you" In response to Reply # 17
actually two, things i am seeing more and more and not sure what the rules are because when i played organized basketball they were not as common.
one, if you're denying the ball to an offensive player (not making contact with him but putting an arm in front of him to disrupt a potential pass to him), can he just push it out of the way? guarding guys in the post and getting an arm in front of them (again no contact) some will push it down with their left arm or sometimes both arms. that doesn't seem legal but i don't know what the rule is.
the other one is on screens. you're going to set a screen and you're already set, can the defender you're screen hand check you or push off you for leverage? some of these guys throw a hard hand check into you or, let's say your man rejects the screen and goes the other way, they will extend an arm and push off to get a stronger step in the direction of the ball handler.
are these things illegal or just annoying AF?
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52. "where was there a carry here?" In response to Reply # 19
jab, step back, jump into a shot.
the thing he does with his left hand i guess could be considered a carry if he were to continue his dribble off it. but i wouldnt even think about a carry here, more just his footwork if it were three steps or not. i do think on some step backs there is a drag or short step that turns it into a violation technically
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I tend to think if the gather hasn't happened (meaning two hands on the ball) your feet can still move. Once that ends, meaning you can't legally dribble again without violation, you can take two steps so long as you are in motion/haven't established pivot.
25. "#8 and #4, absolutely are travels" In response to Reply # 23 Tue Jan-08-19 12:49 PM by bentagain
3 steps
not all of those euro steps are equal
in 8 and 4, they pick up the ball and take 3 steps = travel
I want to call the Lavine move at #2 a travel too, but I'm assuming the first 2 steps don't count because he's landing after catching the ball...but he definitely takes 3 steps
27. "Youre not giving up but refuse to refer to the nba rule book" In response to Reply # 22
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30. "You know what's amazing? Harden adjusted his footwork" In response to Reply # 0
in the last two weeks. The steps he took in the original video are nowhere to be found in the games he's played since folks were complaining. He has actually refined it, or toned it down to a simple two step hop. Which proved to me that he knew exactly what he was getting away with when folks were complaining.
33. "He literally catches the ball in the shooting stance" In response to Reply # 32
No other steps, no jabs, certainly no raising of the pivot. This bullshit about how many steps are allowed after your last dribble just isn't the way any brand of ball has been called in two decades, high school, college, or NBA. You're why rec league games have such bad fucking refs.
I'm glad that you learned basketball watching Kelly Tripucka or whatever and are mad that there are fewer Mikan drills in NBA practices, but hey, what if you shut the fuck up and realized that no one agrees with you, you functional flat-earther?
38. "Not suprising. It gets updated every season." In response to Reply # 37
Most players probably never looked in the rule book.
Have you?
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"The offensive player gathers with his right foot on the ground. He then takes two legal steps, before losing control of the ball. After regaining possession, a player is allowed to regain his pivot foot and pass or shoot prior to that foot returning to the ground. This is legal." NBA refs
48. "That's not a travel, the jump to shoot is not a "step"" In response to Reply # 0
In the comments there someone says "a hop step counts as two steps" but there is no "hop step" there and if there were it would be four steps, uh, I guess. He takes two steps and goes up into his shot. That is not a travel.
IMO the most common form of traveling in the NBA is the "cheat step" that players use to shuffle into triple threat position. They come hard to meet the ball and then take a step before the dribble or square up to get into triple threat position. Some guys are so good at it that it looks like a travel when it's not, but most get the benefit of that doubt.
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56. "I see you still havent opened the rule book haha" In response to Reply # 53
Ball rests in brons hand so yeah, start counting steps.
Not sure what that has to do with a step back 3 tho
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