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Orbit_Established
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"Bol Bol = Porzingis 2.5 = Mine"
Sat Nov-17-18 12:53 PM by Orbit_Established

  

          



https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1058380485938823168

He got daddy issues, skills and learns faster than lazy, dumb
Americans of any race.

Mine.




  

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Super skilled. His attitude still seems a lil sketchy to me.
Nov 17th 2018
1
Cuz he ain't go to Kentucky? No snark. What u mean?
Nov 17th 2018
2
      First his motor being an issue. Then rumors....
Nov 17th 2018
4
           I respect you for putting it out there.
Nov 18th 2018
5
           I watched him live multiple times. This is accurate. And you can see it.
Nov 18th 2018
6
           Amazing analysis. That sounds like young Embiid too, though.
Nov 18th 2018
7
                No doubt, though I think Embiid was more consistent at this age.
Nov 18th 2018
9
                     Boy, I *really* came down from this, lol.
Jun 21st 2019
15
           a kentucky fan talking about sketchy recruitment lol.
Nov 18th 2018
8
Snapchat IPO 2.0
Nov 17th 2018
3
done for the season...
Jan 03rd 2019
10
the dreaded navicular fracture...damn
Jan 03rd 2019
11
Damn
Jun 21st 2019
12
I'm all in. If healthy he will be an All-Star IMO
Jun 21st 2019
13
I wonder how much did that Spiderman suit cost?
Jun 21st 2019
14
I've had all his stock since 2015 but OK.
Jun 21st 2019
16
him falling in the draft sucks
Jun 25th 2019
19
      Jokic could teach him how to pass, which would be good.
Jun 26th 2019
20
      absolutely it's a great situation for him
Jun 26th 2019
23
Tacko Fall better
Jun 25th 2019
17
not even close. he could maybe have done what manute did in the 80s
Jun 25th 2019
18
      Oh, I know
Jun 26th 2019
21
           hahaha well played b/w yeah it's a race against time before his body fai...
Jun 26th 2019
22
Can't wait to see him tear it up!
Jun 30th 2019
24

TheRealBillyOcean
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1. "Super skilled. His attitude still seems a lil sketchy to me."
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2. "Cuz he ain't go to Kentucky? No snark. What u mean? "
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4. "First his motor being an issue. Then rumors...."
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of him not being a hard worker. And his recruitment being kinda sketchy.

Plus he was too good and has too much potential to not have been flooded with all the big time offers.

Something didn't seem right to me.

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Orbit_Established
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5. "I respect you for putting it out there. "
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>of him not being a hard worker. And his recruitment being
>kinda sketchy.
>
>Plus he was too good and has too much potential to not have
>been flooded with all the big time offers.
>
>Something didn't seem right to me.

Fair.

You about to wrong tho

But I respect your conglomerate and will throw
you a few shares on the back end of this

  

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Frank Longo
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6. "I watched him live multiple times. This is accurate. And you can see it."
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Sun Nov-18-18 02:35 AM by Frank Longo

  

          

In that loss to Iowa, he made 1/3rd terrific plays and 2/3rds terrible plays.

I hate the Porzingis comparisons, mostly because Porzingis played professional basketball since... what, age 16? Meanwhile, I saw Bol at Mater Dei his senior year in three different games, and it was always the same-- he'd come alive for like five or six plays, and then he'd either disappear or be a net negative the rest of the game. At least one game in HS, he got benched because he couldn't defend capably-- and we saw that at the end of the Iowa game too. So I simply can't trust him to have a Day 1 Porzingis impact because of the sheer difference of competition they faced.

Bol's skill is INSANE for his size, and I'd still draft him fairly highly on potential. But Porzingis came in polished largely because he'd faced, what, 2-3 years of professional adult athletes? Meanwhile, Bol sleepwalked through high school and he's been caught sleeping more than once this season. He BEASTED Syracuse's zone, but that simply hasn't been consistent.

I wish he didn't play in the fucking Pac-12, because I'd love to see him face real competition consistently (and I'd love for it to be televised). He was at times jaw-droppingly bad in the Iowa loss, but he crushed Syracuse nearly singlehandedly. That's the lows and highs of Bol Bol. They're really low and really high. I don't know where you take him yet. But the motor thing is very, very real. He's crafty, smart, and incredibly skilled for his size-- but until he plays several games in a row without disappearing and/or having net negative stretches, he's hard to trust.

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7. "Amazing analysis. That sounds like young Embiid too, though. "
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Sun Nov-18-18 07:48 AM by Orbit_Established

  

          

Right? It's true

Kansas Embiid would dream shake and have you about to
faint and then barely show up for the next 3 games.

  

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Frank Longo
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9. "No doubt, though I think Embiid was more consistent at this age."
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Embiid's defense was *definitely* more consistent-- you could argue that either he or Willie Cauley-Stein was the best defender in college basketball that season. Bol is wildly disruptive when he's on-- when people try to shoot over him, he routinely either deflects it or forces the shooter to adjust his arc-- but in that Iowa game, they started *going at him,* because they knew they could exploit his lack of strength and work-in-progress footwork. Altman had to bench him because he was killing their defense. Which is *crazy* to think about.

Embiid would occasionally disappear offensively, though I reckon in Embiid's defense, it seems Oregon is going to ask Bol to do more on that end than Kansas asked Embiid to do. Kansas had more weapons, whereas Bol is easily their most talented player until Louis King comes back (Bol is still more talented, but King is at least a genuine NBA prospect). Without looking, I bet Bol has twice as many field goal attempts per game. This is to Bol's credit too, of course-- it's easier to have plays in which you look bad when you're being asked to do more.

Embiid also was less of a string bean, which made his efficiency a lot easier to keep high. He was 7 feet, 250, with some good back-to-the-basket game, so he could work the paint with little resistance, which would give him more freedom to then face up later. Bol is 7'3, 230, with a less developed at-present back-to-the-basket game-- or maybe it seems that way because he's simply not as strong as Embiid was. But his jumpshot is definitely better right now than Embiid's was then, as is his mid-range. His creation for himself is... all over the place currently, but yeah, that's where his real future will be determined. Zingis was able to come into the league Day 1 and create for himself. I'm not convinced Bol will be able to do that next year-- or even the year after.

I like to make fun of Fran Fraschilla because he always falls in love with raw overseas prospects who are "a year away from being a year away." But Bol is definitely one of those guys. You don't take him lotto because of who he'll be at age 20. You take him for who he'll hopefully be at 22-23. I just worry that the Zingis comparisons-- which announcers are using CONSTANTLY in every Oregon game-- are going to give people expectations that are too immediate. If a team takes Bol 4th, they will *not* get a guy giving them 15 and 7 rookie year. They'll instead have a guy who, with the right strength and game development, could give you by Year 5 or 6 what Zingis is doing Year 3. That's where playing against pros overseas vs. playing American high school and then shitty Pac-12 play sped Zingis's progress and likely slowed Bol's.

Still, he's gonna be must-watch TV this year, and I'd still take him lotto, with position depending how he does against some of the better athletes he'll face (can't WAIT to see him vs. Moses Brown) and depending how immediately my team needs my rookie to give me production. The fact that his range of potential is *so* wide and his skill set is *so* unique makes him tremendously alluring, without question-- and he's such an easy kid to root for, too. If Oregon ends up winning the Pac-12 and making a Top 3 tournament seed (not impossible), wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see him end up as high as 6th or 7th in the draft.

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15. "Boy, I *really* came down from this, lol."
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8. "a kentucky fan talking about sketchy recruitment lol."
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3. "Snapchat IPO 2.0"
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I've never seen him display a heart to play grown man ball which is required at any size. But needed even more when you are shorter or skinnier than the average. Going out west makes him seem even softer to me as well.

"hey, make this right mayne
stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

  

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10. "done for the season..."
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https://twitter.com/Oregonian/status/1080959925310967810

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11. "the dreaded navicular fracture...damn"
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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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12. "Damn"
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13. "I'm all in. If healthy he will be an All-Star IMO"
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14. "I wonder how much did that Spiderman suit cost?"
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16. "I've had all his stock since 2015 but OK."
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Amazing to me that people can say "the question is about his effort" when he was putting up 21/10 with blocks and treys in the games he did play.

Great situation for him in Denver. He gets to back up the best player in the franchise's history for now and maybe play alongside of him in the ultimate frontcourt puzzle. You've got a guy who can literally do it all and another one who can rain threes on you or just shoot it right over the top inside.

Big thing with Bol to me is his long-term health. His build is not going to take too many years in the pros. But hopefully he has a nice prime.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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19. "him falling in the draft sucks"
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but going in the second round to Denver may be the best possible outcome (with the exception of making money immediately) for him.

he's largely out of the way of media attention so he can take his time to be healthy and ready to play, with about as little pressure as there could possibly be. it's not like the team will be trash so people won't have anything else to talk about other than "when will bol bol play?" and also they're not like... a bol bol away from being good.

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20. "Jokic could teach him how to pass, which would be good. "
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23. "absolutely it's a great situation for him"
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once he missed out on the guaranteed money of the first round, it was a matter of where he'd end up. low-key market, solid coaching, plays behind a great big (but could potentially play alongside him also), good/deep team, etc.

also if he and porter both pan out (or really one or the other), they are gonna be a big problem in the west.

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17. "Tacko Fall better"
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18. "not even close. he could maybe have done what manute did in the 80s"
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but probably not. bol bol is a real player, not a sideshow who's just good at being tall.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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21. "Oh, I know"
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I'm just playing the "make an outlandish statement" game.

On a real note, I'm not sure how Bol's body will hold up.

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22. "hahaha well played b/w yeah it's a race against time before his body fai..."
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hopefully he can get a few good years in

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24. "Can't wait to see him tear it up!"
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I'm in on this.

  

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