Tiger Woods Member since Feb 15th 2004 18388 posts
Thu May-31-18 08:08 AM
1. "he's as savvy as Pusha T" In response to Reply # 0 Thu May-31-18 08:15 AM by Tiger Woods
In order:
- play your balls off en route to a Finals sacrifice
- explain why you're frustrated
- inevitably lose in the Finals while it's obviously because your team sucks
- leave Cleveland so cleanly and with the hometown goodwill intact
EDIT: and I just want to say, this guy fuckin rules. Just sitting here watching this, I'm pleasantly content with how well he handles himself, how comfortable and thoughtful he seems. This dude has been famous since he was 15. Never got a DUI, never had cops at the crib. He's matured in the boldest ways, going from a scrawny kid to an earnest father and leader. There's credible debate over whether he or Mike is the best player ever, but there's certainly no question who is the better person.
>In order: > >- play your balls off en route to a Finals sacrifice > >- explain why you're frustrated > >- inevitably lose in the Finals while it's obviously because >your team sucks > >- leave Cleveland so cleanly and with the hometown goodwill >intact
Facts.
>EDIT: >and I just want to say, this guy fuckin rules. Just sitting >here watching this, I'm pleasantly content with how well he >handles himself, how comfortable and thoughtful he seems. This >dude has been famous since he was 15. Never got a DUI, never >had cops at the crib. He's matured in the boldest ways, going >from a scrawny kid to an earnest father and leader. There's >credible debate over whether he or Mike is the best player >ever, but there's certainly no question who is the better >person.
And that's a big reason why I root for LeBron. Dude is solid in all dimensions - prolific as a player - but his development as a human being has been as rewarding to watch as his ascent to the top tier of Rushmore.
4. "what's funny is you act like Bron traded Kyrie" In response to Reply # 2 Thu May-31-18 08:39 AM by Vex_id
He didn't. Dan Gilbert did. After Griffin was wrongfully fired (in the middle of a 2-year contract where Bron couldn't exercise leverage) - Gilbert defied LeBron at every turn and wouldn't allow LeBron to "LeGM" anymore - and this is the product. A trash team compiled by a trash owner.
Anybody would've been nuts not to at least consider Love & Kyrie for 'Melo, PG & Bledsoe <<< that was the trade in question you're inaccurately referencing. Why? Well - after last year's finals it was clear Cleveland needed more horses. Also - both Love and Irving have not been durable in the playoffs and have been injured almost as often as they've been healthy. And what do you know - both Love & Ky are unavailable to play right now - while PG, 'Melo & Bledsoe played all year long without injury. So if Cleveland had 'Melo, PG & Bledsoe right now would they be in a better position? Absolutely.
But Bron was mad AF when they traded Kyrie like that - and rightfully so.
What's also funny is Kyrie *also* pointed the blame to the Cavs' front-office as to why he wanted to leave - and both Bron & Kyrie reunited at the All-Star game with genuine love and friendship - probably closer than they've ever been.
47. "whats funny is you act like Bron didnt want Kyrie traded for PG +Bledsoe" In response to Reply # 4
>He didn't. Dan Gilbert did. After Griffin was wrongfully >fired (in the middle of a 2-year contract where Bron couldn't >exercise leverage) - Gilbert defied LeBron at every turn and >wouldn't allow LeBron to "LeGM" anymore - and this is the >product. A trash team compiled by a trash owner.
- and this is the product of allowing LeBron to "LeGM":
>Anybody would've been nuts not to at least consider Love & >Kyrie for 'Melo, PG & Bledsoe <<< that was the trade in >question you're inaccurately referencing.
no, he was correctly referencing the cavs-pacers-phoenix 3-way trade that had been pursued which Kyrie found out about.
>But Bron was mad AF when they traded Kyrie like that - and >rightfully so.
Bron was mad AF because they didn't complete the trade for Kyrie that HE wanted. But once that fell through & Kyrie found out about it, he demanded to be traded and threatened to get surgery on his knee and sit out the season if they refused (and rightfully so), so it was already too late by then.
> >What's also funny is Kyrie *also* pointed the blame to the >Cavs' front-office as to why he wanted to leave - and both >Bron & Kyrie reunited at the All-Star game with genuine love >and friendship - probably closer than they've ever been. > >But here you are scathingly mad and irrational.
yeah Ba seems real mad that Ky escaped the Cavtanic before it sunk and is on the Celtics now.
3. "Did he talk about giving Tristan and JR all that money too?" In response to Reply # 0
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
18. "its funny bc lebron has spent the majority of the last 8-10 seasons" In response to Reply # 17
with the more talented team in playoff matchups. when his big 3 was beating the old celtics, Derrick rose, Melo, PG, all without 2nd let alone 3rd stars, we still supposed to marvel @ bron for it.
Now the tables have turned, we pose to feel sorry for him. This is what he created when he ran to Miami. *shrug*
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
29. "Your reading sucks as usual" In response to Reply # 25
>with the more talented team in playoff matchups. when his big 3 was beating the old celtics, Derrick rose, Melo, PG, all without 2nd let alone 3rd stars, we still supposed to marvel @ bron for it.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
31. ""playoff matchups" doesn't include the Finals? Oh that's new. " In response to Reply # 29
and you're wrong anyway. The "old celtics" weren't that old. They were in the their early to mid 30's and featured Allen, Pierce, KG & prime Rondo. Also - Rose had prime Noah - who was a multi all-star and made an all NBA 1st team. That Bulls team was top seed and the favorites in that series.
33. "7 series would be a small sample size" In response to Reply # 31
And bron was playing with prime future hofer dwade.
But please, tell me about David west's all star appearances
You suck at this.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
36. "I said stars. You thought I meant All Stars and you were wrong" In response to Reply # 34
I meant superstars.
Noah wasn't a superstar and neither were the past their prime Celtics
Dwade was a superstar and bosh was right there.
You suck at this.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
40. "Right the big 3 was passed their prime when they were beating" In response to Reply # 39 Thu May-31-18 08:54 PM by Cenario
Lebron
They got older and lebron went to Miami so he could get help from amother superstar or two in their prime.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
30. "Top 20 pg for sure." In response to Reply # 19
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
27. "The interview doesn't tell you at what point he said do not trade him" In response to Reply # 21
or how emphatic he was about them not trading him. Kyrie wanted out after hearing his name in trade rumors. And not wanting to play second fiddle anymore, or left holding the bag when LeBron bolts.
There is absolutely no way, that Cleveland entertained trade requests without letting Lebron know about it.
If he really wanted dude to stay, he had more than enough time to make him feel at home there. Not last ditch efforts after he has explored his options, and declined to commit to any potential free agents that he was going to stay in Cleveland beyond this season. Kyrie knew it, Butler, PG, and anyone else in a trade scenario last summer knew it.
>There is absolutely no way, that Cleveland entertained trade >requests without letting Lebron know about it.
What you don't understand (and don't care to understand) is that LeBron lost his leverage as "LeGM" after Griffin was fired. Bron and Griffin worked in concert to assemble the championship team and at that point - yes - LeBron was looped into decisions. After Gilbert went rogue (when LeBron was in the middle of his 2-year deal and had no leverage) - Gilbert had grown tired of LeBron being the decision maker and "LeGM" - which is why he fired Griffin and decided to take the franchise in his own hands. Bron was froze out of front office decisions and Gilbert traded Kyrie - it's accepted and basic knowledge that Bron called to dissuade this dumbass trade.
41. "He didn't say that when it happened " In response to Reply # 0
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"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins
44. "Lol at Dan Gilbert's tweet last night before game" In response to Reply # 0
Dan GilbertVerified account @cavsdan · 17h17 hours ago
(3/3) 3. Trade 1.0 last summer & Trade 2.0 at the deadline led by a humble, talented, young GM: Koby Altman.
W/o either of these 2 bold moves orchestrated by Koby & the @Cavs front office, we would not be here w/ a good chance to bring another one home to CLE. #WhateverItTakes
45. "Gilbert actually responded to this on twitter LOL" In response to Reply # 0
He didn't dispute anything LeBron said (because it's fact) - but said that the trades were great moves and are the reason the Cavs "have a good chance of bringing another title home"
48. "I'm so mad that they were so THIRSTY for Paul George" In response to Reply # 0
that they let Kyrie go over it. I'm including LeBron in that "they".
I would have settled for Kevin Love and a bag of dildos traded for some run of the mill PF that defends and "does stuff". Like... Jeff Green. THAT, even if Kyrie was out for the playoffs, would have been acceptable.
Now I gotta look forward to my favorite team... having none of my favorite players and rooting for the Warriors NOT to get near the Spurs in ring count.
49. "Thats the part I dont get" In response to Reply # 48
Paul George is fine. He isnt elite at anything, but hes good at a bunch of things. Kyrie is an elite shooter. Why would you give that up for an outside the top 20 player? ____________________
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51. "RE: Thats the part I dont get" In response to Reply # 49
>Paul George is fine. He isnt elite at anything, but hes good >at a bunch of things. Kyrie is an elite shooter. Why would you >give that up for an outside the top 20 player?
PG is an elite shooter - and also a valuable wing defender w/ length. Straight up - I'd take Kyrie over PG - but I would take PG/Melo & Bledsoe over Kyrie & Love (mainly because of durability/injury issues with both Kyrie & Love).
50. "wasn't just PG -- it was PG, Melo & Bledsoe" In response to Reply # 48
'Melo clearly was a move to win now and bolster Bron w/ an elite shooter - but PG & Bledsoe would've been great pieces for a future team - and worth the risk - especially knowing that Kyrie would never re-sign.
That's the thing - even if they didn't move Kyrie - Cleveland was losing him anyway. Ain't no way he was resigning in Cleveland.
"James was adamant on the call — do not trade Irving, especially to the Celtics. By the end of the call, according to four separate accounts of people present for the conversation, Altman told James the trade would not occur.
James suggested he didn’t feel he was lied to by Altman, so much as Altman was overruled by owner Dan Gilbert.
“You realize at that point in time, take nothing from Koby, because Koby (was just named GM), but at that point in time, you realize that Koby’s not the only one running the team, as (former GM David Griffin) had done, and that’s why Griff was let go pretty much,” James said.
Cavs front-office officials declined to be quoted for this story but disputed that Altman gave James any indication the trade would not occur. They also said Altman asked James whether he would commit to the Cavs long-term if Irving were not traded, and James said no."
Welp. The worst owner in sports (Gilbert) now has what he wants: full control of the franchise. Unsurprisingly, Cleveland is the worst team in basketball right now.
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