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Dstl1
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"Matt Patricia"


          

Man, what do you do with this?
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23456866/detroit-lions-owner-front-office-continue-support-coach-matt-patricia-amid-96-sexual-assault-allegation

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2018/05/09/matt-patricia-indicted-sex-assault/34742627/

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Fire the Lions first.
May 10th 2018
1
lol
May 10th 2018
3
22 Years and the trial never happened?
May 10th 2018
2
yeah this seems like gotcha journalism
May 10th 2018
4
This is the same org that is employing Jim Bob Cooter
May 10th 2018
5
file it away and let it be unless more info comes out
May 10th 2018
12
....where did we establish guidelines for the most progressive
May 10th 2018
16
      Ugh I don't know man it's just how I phrased it
May 10th 2018
20
           as far as the case I don't have the answers on how to handle it
May 10th 2018
23
#Cheatriots
May 10th 2018
6
My question is how did the Lions not find this out?
May 10th 2018
7
there are teams with more SBs than the Lions have Divisions
May 10th 2018
21
wow, are the lions going to keep him?
May 10th 2018
8
I think I read that Cowboys asshole is getting his 82nd chance
May 10th 2018
11
      Which one
May 10th 2018
13
      who are you talking about?
May 10th 2018
14
           he applied for reinstatement
May 10th 2018
17
                randy gregory isn't an asshole
May 10th 2018
25
                     shit oops yes I am
May 11th 2018
29
Does that buffoon really need the pencil in his hat
May 10th 2018
9
He's an El-P fan
May 10th 2018
10
I'm pissed that the Lions are apparently acting like they didn't know
May 10th 2018
15
Hey
May 10th 2018
18
      that shit. and of course they fired her
May 10th 2018
19
I fully expect the NFL to be the last bastion of Male Entitlement
May 10th 2018
22
that seems unlikely
May 10th 2018
26
not for nothing, that's respectable, but you're a mayweather fan?
May 11th 2018
27
      lol,dude really a mayweather fan talking like this?
May 11th 2018
34
      I'm a fan of Mayweather's boxing - and have been critical of him
May 11th 2018
38
           https://youtu.be/Nn80Rbq2lHc
May 11th 2018
39
           Not a deflection so much as thinking it a little convenient
May 11th 2018
46
                No I get that.
May 11th 2018
48
                     Got you. Valid points.
May 11th 2018
55
disgusting
May 10th 2018
24
lol
Dec 17th 2020
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RE: Matt Patricia
May 11th 2018
28
im calling for the GM to be fuckin fired. yesterday.
May 11th 2018
30
      RE: im calling for the GM to be fuckin fired. yesterday.
May 11th 2018
31
           the GM sould be fired over this "thing" existing at all
May 11th 2018
32
                RE: the GM sould be fired over this "thing" existing at all
May 11th 2018
33
                exactly.
May 11th 2018
35
                That's what I'm saying
May 11th 2018
36
                     #21 bro. its the Lions. bottomless ineptitude cant be ruled out
May 11th 2018
40
so.... why didn't we hear about this when he was with the Pats?
May 11th 2018
37
probably didnt
May 11th 2018
42
What can he do to prove his innocence? How can he clear his name?
May 11th 2018
41
thats not whats required imo.
May 11th 2018
43
What do you mean"letting someone else find out first"?
May 11th 2018
44
      i have no idea, so i wouldnt have hired him
May 11th 2018
45
           RE: i have no idea, so i wouldnt have hired him
May 11th 2018
47
           im *not* saying they shouldnt have hired him
May 11th 2018
51
                RE: im *not* saying they shouldnt have hired him
May 11th 2018
53
                     What is a "plan?" What you have been satisfied with?
May 11th 2018
57
           You wouldn't have hired him based on a dropped charge? Really?
May 11th 2018
50
                hiring him is fine with a plan to handle the PR of it
May 11th 2018
52
                     So what is a "PR Plan?" I'm legiitmately asking.
May 11th 2018
56
                          I'm sure you know people who work in PR.
May 11th 2018
58
                          Wouldn't it be worse if the Lions hired a PR person?
May 11th 2018
61
                               they literally employ PR people.
May 11th 2018
63
                                    Wait -- so you're mad at the lack of a PR firm? Answer the question.
May 11th 2018
65
                                         how can they lack PR when they employ PR.
May 12th 2018
71
                                         I like how Orbit is pretending he never went down this road.
May 14th 2018
131
                          i have no idea. they allegedly pay professionals for that.
May 11th 2018
60
                               So IF the Lions had simply hired a PR firm...you'd be okay?
May 11th 2018
62
                                    quit lying b.
May 11th 2018
64
                                    No, I'm seriously curious about this PR question.
May 11th 2018
66
                                         us: they should've handled this differently
May 12th 2018
72
                                         you: YOU'RE MAD THEY DIDN'T HIRE PRRRRRRRRRR
May 12th 2018
76
                                              So the ONLY problem is acting like they didn't know? I'm still confused
May 12th 2018
78
                                                   me: the problem is they're acting like they don't know
May 12th 2018
86
                                                        COOL! So if they said "We vetted the case, and we're good with the hire"
May 12th 2018
105
                                                             You've basically been saying everything I was going to say.
May 13th 2018
115
                                                             because you also stand in defense of ignorant billionaires
May 14th 2018
128
                                                             what did I say?
May 14th 2018
127
                                    That this discussion devolved into talking about PR strategies is weird....
May 11th 2018
67
                                    I was honestly with them at first, but these dudes jumped the shark.
May 11th 2018
69
                                    liar
May 12th 2018
74
                                    you lying ass niggas.
May 12th 2018
73
                                         Cool! So you think Lions should have just OPENLY SAID something?
May 12th 2018
77
                                              you seem willfully ignorant of the part where i said the Lions did him w...
May 12th 2018
80
                                              What does "getting out in front of this" mean? Telling the story?
May 12th 2018
82
                                                   again, the Lions presumably pay someone to answer that
May 12th 2018
84
                                                        RE: again, the Lions presumably pay someone to answer that
May 12th 2018
85
                                                             holy shit, someone with a brain.
May 12th 2018
90
                                                             Wait -- so you do this BEFORE the news comes out? LMAO. No.
May 12th 2018
96
                                                                  he agreed with my saying the exact opposite of that lmao
May 12th 2018
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                                                                       RE: he agreed with my saying the exact opposite of that lmao
May 12th 2018
100
                                                                            RIGHT! So if they had EXPLAINED THAT, there'd be NO ISSUE!?!?!
May 12th 2018
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                                                                            RE: RIGHT! So if they had EXPLAINED THAT, there'd be NO ISSUE!?!?!
May 12th 2018
108
                                                                            LMAOOO. So the issue is NOT THE SEXUAL ASSAULT/ER?!?!
May 12th 2018
110
                                                                            RE: LMAOOO. So the issue is NOT THE SEXUAL ASSAULT/ER?!?!
May 12th 2018
111
                                                                            So Patricia himself has NOTHING to do with this? ONLY issue is PR? LOL
May 13th 2018
117
                                                                            RE: So Patricia himself has NOTHING to do with this? ONLY issue is PR? L...
May 13th 2018
118
                                                                            Orbit_Established: Standing firmly in defense of billion dollar organiza...
May 14th 2018
125
                                              you: claim something I didn't say
May 12th 2018
89
                                    lol k
May 11th 2018
68
to whomst are you asking?
May 11th 2018
49
      Whomst? lol
May 11th 2018
54
           whomst.
May 11th 2018
59
           notice mans never identified who he's asking this question of
May 12th 2018
75
                RE: notice mans never identified who he's asking this question of
May 12th 2018
79
                     exactly
May 12th 2018
87
oh.
May 11th 2018
70
5 witnesses? yikes
May 12th 2018
81
      Wow what?
May 12th 2018
83
           what would shock you, as an experienced investigator of sexual assault
May 12th 2018
88
                RE: what would shock you, as an experienced investigator of sexual assau...
May 12th 2018
94
                     right, nothing to say.
May 14th 2018
123
                          You rarely (if ever) have anything worthy of responding to
May 14th 2018
133
                               nothing that you can respond to without feeling bad about yourself
May 14th 2018
135
                                    http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg
May 14th 2018
136
                                         told you
May 14th 2018
138
unproven accusations = presumed innocence = nothing to discuss.
May 12th 2018
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so you'd be ok with them hiring George Zimmerman. cool.
May 12th 2018
92
LMAO! Nigga in here arguing like it's Playstation vs. XBox
May 12th 2018
97
      mans innocent. according to y'all, hire him to save young black men
May 14th 2018
120
the amount of lying at play here is hilarious
May 12th 2018
93
the slippery slope argument is so damn weak
May 12th 2018
95
Nah, slippery slope is dude saying he's George Zimmerman
May 12th 2018
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RE: unproven accusations = presumed innocence = nothing to discuss.
May 12th 2018
101
it was also south padre spring break two decades ago
May 12th 2018
103
RE: it was also south padre spring break two decades ago
May 12th 2018
109
      i'm with you 100%
May 12th 2018
112
           Rj says he's George Zimmerman. I find that analogy deeply offensive.
May 13th 2018
116
                explain exactly how you're offended by what I said.
May 14th 2018
121
it's a fairly obvious step.
May 14th 2018
129
we don't know what happened, but we do know america
May 12th 2018
102
slope is just a cliff people have been thrown off forever
May 14th 2018
137
quick note: i never said anything about a slippery slope
May 12th 2018
106
      speaking truth for power is an interesting choice is all
May 12th 2018
107
      Truth for power?
May 13th 2018
114
      what?
May 14th 2018
126
Once I saw the subject line and the number of replies...
May 12th 2018
113
Be nice if we could hear the victim's side.
May 13th 2018
119
my question for the Lions is if they checked if there are any other
May 14th 2018
124
ZOMG THIS WILL RUIN YOUNG BLACK MEN
May 14th 2018
122
RE: ZOMG THIS WILL RUIN YOUNG BLACK MEN
May 14th 2018
130
      what don't you get?
May 14th 2018
132
      where have I said anything other than this?
May 14th 2018
134
           RE: where have I said anything other than this?
May 14th 2018
139
RE: Matt Patricia
Oct 06th 2020
140
something something rocket scientist
Oct 06th 2020
141
but Jim Caldwell was trash tho
Oct 06th 2020
142
kinda but thats a separate issue. there were no Patricia supporters.
Oct 07th 2020
151
teams gonna have to learn: leave those ex-Cheatriots alone
Oct 07th 2020
143
      i have only good things to say about Vrabel so far.
Oct 07th 2020
144
      I think this is a significant difference
Nov 28th 2020
154
Dollars to donuts this dude contributes mad cash to Trump
Oct 07th 2020
147
      he's been weirdly BLM friendly?
Oct 07th 2020
148
      I tried to look it up. Too many names. Need to know where he "resides"
Oct 07th 2020
150
lol
Oct 07th 2020
145
I'll guess several of these Belichick assistants believe
Oct 07th 2020
146
      in their mind it's just them and bill
Oct 07th 2020
149
      ^^^
Nov 28th 2020
156
      Also, Brian Flores called for Malcolm Butler to go in, not Patricia
Nov 28th 2020
153
Gone (c)Kanye
Nov 28th 2020
152
only Parcells and Belichick can play those mind games
Nov 28th 2020
155
He was a huge asshole and bad coach BUT...
Nov 29th 2020
157
If a team consistently loses close games, that’s on the coach.
Nov 29th 2020
158
RE: If a team consistently loses close games, that’s on the coach.
Nov 29th 2020
159
      I like Lynn but this is a reoccurring theme over two seasons now
Nov 30th 2020
168
having a terrible coach is not a narrow margin
Nov 29th 2020
163
you are what your record says you are (c) Parcells
Nov 29th 2020
165
      To be clear, I completely agree with all of you
Nov 30th 2020
170
           nah, Caldwell BETTER
Dec 17th 2020
172
Laminated play sheet. And a pencil
Nov 29th 2020
160
lol, Lions fans donated to Deshaun Watson's charity because of this
Nov 30th 2020
166
it was obvious from the start they never should've hired dude
Nov 30th 2020
167
      trying to be Belicheat Jr rarely works
Nov 30th 2020
169
RE: Matt Patricia
Nov 29th 2020
161
Hopefully he's nothing more than a d line coach next job
Nov 29th 2020
162
he's white he'll get another HC job
Nov 29th 2020
164

Ceej
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1. "Fire the Lions first. "
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3. "lol"
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Y2Flound
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2. "22 Years and the trial never happened?"
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That's hard to really act on, even in the most progressive listening to and believing women world.

Now if this leads to a lot of other people coming forward the Lions have a real issue on their hands, but if it turns out it was just this one charge from over 20 years ago that never turned into anything I think it'll blow over.

  

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BrooklynWHAT
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4. "yeah this seems like gotcha journalism"
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nobody ever cared to dredge this back up while he was w/ the patriots?

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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5. "This is the same org that is employing Jim Bob Cooter "
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12. "file it away and let it be unless more info comes out"
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really what else can you do? We don't know anything, really.


If I was the Lions, i might be doing a bit more research on the low right now, though, just to make double sure there's no extra surprises.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

  

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16. "....where did we establish guidelines for the most progressive"
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and listening to women world?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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Y2Flound
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20. "Ugh I don't know man it's just how I phrased it"
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I'm just trying to say even in today's environment where we are working to not make women jump through 1000 hoops before we believe them when we just assume the man is innocent if he says so it's still hard to push this story as something.

  

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23. "as far as the case I don't have the answers on how to handle it"
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it's 20 years ago, there's not a ton to even investigate, we know what we know about accusations and why someone might not want to testify, but it is true that he says it didn't happen and he hasn't had a day in court to face the charge.

there are no easy answers, which is why my ire is really for the Lions for being shifty about what they knew and how it affected their decision


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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6. "#Cheatriots"
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7. "My question is how did the Lions not find this out?"
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21. "there are teams with more SBs than the Lions have Divisions"
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and you ask that question?

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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8. "wow, are the lions going to keep him?"
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good luck with that. but then again, someone like roethlisberger has been able to
survive so...

  

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11. "I think I read that Cowboys asshole is getting his 82nd chance"
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so.

  

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13. "Which one"
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14. "who are you talking about?"
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17. "he applied for reinstatement"
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we'll see what happens

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/09/randy-gregory-expected-to-file-for-reinstatement-next-week/

  

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25. "randy gregory isn't an asshole"
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there's nothing on his record other than a lot of racial-coding and marijuana.

maybe you're confusing him with greg hardy?

  

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29. "shit oops yes I am"
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oops

  

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9. "Does that buffoon really need the pencil in his hat"
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during a press conference?

http://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F0409%2Fr354186_1296x729_16-9.jpg&w=750&cquality=40

  

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10. "He's an El-P fan"
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15. "I'm pissed that the Lions are apparently acting like they didn't know"
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when it seems like their security definitely did pull the records.

If they knew and decided to hire him anyway, say that's what you're doing.

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18. "Hey"
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the NYTs still stands by its claim that it never read the twitter feed of Quinn Norton before hiring her.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  

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19. "that shit. and of course they fired her"
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while 20 worse dudes stay employed.

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22. "I fully expect the NFL to be the last bastion of Male Entitlement "
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Without getting too deep in the details of this particular case - I won't comment on it as I think all of these cases require intense due diligence before coming to a conclusion. But the Lions' outright dismissal of the story is unnecessary and ignorant. They didn't even try to go out of their way to condemn sexual assault.

As far as I'm concerned - every single man who has preyed on women and children - no matter how long ago - should not be allowed to freely roam through society and earn millions of dollars - while qualified, ethical men can't get a decent job and Colin Kap can't even get a slot on an NFL roster.

I've been done with the NFL for a loooong time and don't even watch anymore. It's TrumpLand USA on the grid-iron.

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26. "that seems unlikely"
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27. "not for nothing, that's respectable, but you're a mayweather fan?"
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There are problems with the NFL's culture, but no need to virtue signal if you're not being consistent

  

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34. "lol,dude really a mayweather fan talking like this?"
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38. "I'm a fan of Mayweather's boxing - and have been critical of him"
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with regards to his problems with physical assault - so it's fair to bring that up.

However - there's a clear difference with what I'm talking about. The NFL as an organization - with a private franchise (Detroit Lions) hiring and empowering Patricia in this instance is institutional negligence as it pertains to sexual assault. Mayweather was not hired by any franchise - nor did he work for any organized body because boxing does not have sanctioning bodies nor franchises that employ the athletes. Mayweather was bartering as his own economic entity and thus did not seek/need endorsement from or to be hired by anybody - he was his own business.

I'm speaking of economic empowerment here and organizational integrity re: ethics. Neither Mayweather nor Patricia's conduct is acceptable - and the argument that "well Mayweather had problems too!" doesn't address the the issue at hand here, and isn't a credible deflection.


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39. "https://youtu.be/Nn80Rbq2lHc"
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https://youtu.be/Nn80Rbq2lHc

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46. "Not a deflection so much as thinking it a little convenient"
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for someone to find their moral compass in abstaining from watching a sport they may not be passionate about to begin with, given their painting of the entire fanbase as Rednecks-R-Us.

  

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48. "No I get that."
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Completely understandable to love a sport but not support certain actions or people in the sport one loves -- but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about institutional ills within the NFL (that you don't find in the NBA, for example -- look how Silver is handling a myriad of ethical issues from Donald Sterling to a more progressive approach to player rights).

The NFL as an institution has not acted with integrity when it comes to almost every relevant social issue it has faced - whether it's sexual assault, entitled owners, or honoring freedom of expression/speech among its players.

I'm not saying people shouldn't watch the sport they love - I'm just saying for me - the NFL's handling of a myriad issues turns me off and makes me want to prioritize watching other sports and supporting other organizations/institutions (like the NBA which has been more aligned with my values).


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55. "Got you. Valid points."
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Some of my guys boycotted, some like me didn't, but are conflicted about what exactly we're supporting

It sucks when you love something but you know there's a piece of it you don't like to look at that's rotten.


  

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24. "disgusting"
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if he doesnt get canned now he will be in 3 years...just like every other lions coach.

#tradition

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171. "lol"
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>if he doesnt get canned now he will be in 3 years...just like
>every other lions coach.
>
>#tradition

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28. "RE: Matt Patricia"
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Without any evidence or information, not going to condemn anyone.


Certainly am not going to call for anyone to be fired barring some real bombshell.

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30. "im calling for the GM to be fuckin fired. yesterday."
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31. "RE: im calling for the GM to be fuckin fired. yesterday."
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I don't really know how they have played this locally, or much about how they have dealt with the scenario. Certainly seems stupid to claim you didn't know. But I don't know enough to talk about GM, etc

Just not willing to condemn Patricia with this little information.

I believe that the vast, vast majority of women's claims are true. But that doesn't mean that THIS is true.

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32. "the GM sould be fired over this "thing" existing at all"
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either he didnt know, and is thusly incompetent at navigating society in 2018

or he did know and just hoped it wouldnt come up, and is thusly incompetent at navigating society in 2018

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33. "RE: the GM sould be fired over this "thing" existing at all"
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Fair

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35. "exactly. "
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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36. "That's what I'm saying"
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My money's on "they knew about it and just didn't care," because how in 2018 are you unable to conduct a background check?

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40. "#21 bro. its the Lions. bottomless ineptitude cant be ruled out"
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37. "so.... why didn't we hear about this when he was with the Pats? "
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oh, cause the Pats claimed they didn't know either.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/05/10/bill-belichick-says-he-didnt-know-about-matt-patricia-allegations-but-supports-him/23431941/

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42. "probably didnt"
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he was hired as an "offensive assistant" in 2004

different kind of hire, different day and age

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41. "What can he do to prove his innocence? How can he clear his name?"
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He was charged. And then the charge was dismissed. No trial. That should be the end of the story.

Should everyone who was ever accused of something have that haunt them for the rest of their lives?

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43. "thats not whats required imo."
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the Lions did this to him by letting someone else find out first

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44. "What do you mean"letting someone else find out first"?"
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Are you saying that the Lions should have disclosed to the public that he was once accused of something but the case was dismissed?

Where do you slip that into the press conference?

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45. "i have no idea, so i wouldnt have hired him"
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47. "RE: i have no idea, so i wouldnt have hired him"
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While that makes pragmatic sense…and is what the Lions clearly would have been better off doing…I think it's ethically questionable and sets the table for a whole new set of problems in society.

Obviously, what's good or bad for society is not the job description of the Lions GM

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51. "im *not* saying they shouldnt have hired him"
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im saying they shouldnt have hired him without a gameplan for how to handle this.

they let him and the rest of their employees twist in the wind and now "matt patricia lions rape" is a thing people google

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53. "RE: im *not* saying they shouldnt have hired him"
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>im saying they shouldnt have hired him without a gameplan for
>how to handle this.
>
>they let him and the rest of their employees twist in the wind
>and now "matt patricia lions rape" is a thing people google


Ah, got it and agree.


You should know, and have a plan. Even if you don't announce it beforehand.


They failed in that, spectacularly

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57. "What is a "plan?" What you have been satisfied with? "
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>>im saying they shouldnt have hired him without a gameplan
>for
>>how to handle this.
>>
>>they let him and the rest of their employees twist in the
>wind
>>and now "matt patricia lions rape" is a thing people google
>
>
>Ah, got it and agree.
>
>
>You should know, and have a plan. Even if you don't announce
>it beforehand.
>
>
>They failed in that, spectacularly


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50. "You wouldn't have hired him based on a dropped charge? Really? "
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Lots of men have dropped charges.
Many of them deserve to be able to work.

This is actually one of the main problems with
the prison industrial complex. MANY undeserving men
have bullshit charges that went nowhere, but come
up in background checks


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52. "hiring him is fine with a plan to handle the PR of it"
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theyve shown no plan of any sort. he was hired a LONG time ago now in terms of news cycles.

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56. "So what is a "PR Plan?" I'm legiitmately asking. "
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>theyve shown no plan of any sort. he was hired a LONG time
>ago now in terms of news cycles.

What does a "PR plan" consist of for an alleged crime
where the charges were dropped, 22 years ago? What is
the appropriate manner to handle this? Volunteer it to the
press and say "we looked into it, and he's innocent?"

What is this correct plan that would make you comfortable?

  

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58. "I'm sure you know people who work in PR."
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anyone of them could come up with a plan that's better than that.

whether or not he's innocent isn't even the particular question.

it's whether or not your organization takes an accusation like this seriously. you hit the level on that and you skate.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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61. "Wouldn't it be worse if the Lions hired a PR person? "
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>anyone of them could come up with a plan that's better than
>that.

>whether or not he's innocent isn't even the particular
>question.
>
>it's whether or not your organization takes an accusation like
>this seriously. you hit the level on that and you skate.

No, no

The question is what would constitute an acceptable plan?

  

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63. "they literally employ PR people."
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they also employ security people to do background checks.

at every level this argument fails.

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65. "Wait -- so you're mad at the lack of a PR firm? Answer the question. "
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>they also employ security people to do background checks.
>
>at every level this argument fails.

No, I don't understand your point, at all.


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71. "how can they lack PR when they employ PR."
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stop lying

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131. "I like how Orbit is pretending he never went down this road."
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because pretending that the Lions don't have PR employees is bizarre.

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60. "i have no idea. they allegedly pay professionals for that."
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62. "So IF the Lions had simply hired a PR firm...you'd be okay? "
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That might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

You know damn well this has nothing to do with an PR
firm, and like I said above: if they had hired a PR
firm, that might look WORSE, like they were covering
something up.

Sounds like you're upset at something, don't know what
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64. "quit lying b."
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66. "No, I'm seriously curious about this PR question. "
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What would constitute an appropriate PR response
to this? Simply have a plan? Not the contents of that
plan....but simply having one?

So if the exact same thing happened with this case,
but the Lions said: "We hired PR Firm X and they guided
us on how to handle this situation," you'd be fine?

I'm confused.

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72. "us: they should've handled this differently"
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you: YOU'RE MAD THEY DIDN'T HIRE PR

...they have hired PR. your charge doesn't work

you: why won't you answer my questiooooooon
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76. "you: YOU'RE MAD THEY DIDN'T HIRE PRRRRRRRRRR"
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me: two days ago:

"15. I'm pissed that the Lions are apparently acting like they didn't know
Thu May-10-18 04:02 PM
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when it seems like their security definitely did pull the records.

If they knew and decided to hire him anyway, say that's what you're doing."

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78. "So the ONLY problem is acting like they didn't know? I'm still confused"
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What exactly is the problem here?

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86. "me: the problem is they're acting like they don't know"
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you: I'm confused

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105. "COOL! So if they said "We vetted the case, and we're good with the hire""
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You'd be fine? There'd NO issue?

Is that what you're saying?

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115. "You've basically been saying everything I was going to say."
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128. "because you also stand in defense of ignorant billionaires"
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127. "what did I say?"
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67. "That this discussion devolved into talking about PR strategies is weird...."
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We're not even talking about the actual situation (whether his employment prospects should be affected).

We're instead talking about how it should have been spun. What type of propaganda would make this hire palatable to people?


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69. "I was honestly with them at first, but these dudes jumped the shark. "
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>We're not even talking about the actual situation (whether
>his employment prospects should be affected).
>
>We're instead talking about how it should have been spun. What
>type of propaganda would make this hire palatable to people?

They are making NO sense, whatsoever.



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74. "liar"
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73. "you lying ass niggas."
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it's not about PR spin.

it's about transparent, honest information.

which *also* is good pr.


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77. "Cool! So you think Lions should have just OPENLY SAID something? "
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Even tho there's no conviction, you think being
open and transparent is the solution?

So at their opening press conference, you think the
they should have been like "He was indicted for a sexual
assault crime where charges were dropped."

So volunteering the information is what you wanted?

Is that how you feel people should be dealt with in
jobs?

Because that logic would affect black men more.



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80. "you seem willfully ignorant of the part where i said the Lions did him w..."
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getting out in front of this *somehow* would have been the best thing for Patricia also

why are you acting like you just woke up from a nap you took in 2005?

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82. "What does "getting out in front of this" mean? Telling the story? "
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>getting out in front of this *somehow* would have been the
>best thing for Patricia also
>
>why are you acting like you just woke up from a nap you took
>in 2005?

What, operationally, are you talking about?

You're full of vague references

Are you saying that the Lions should have told the press?

  

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84. "again, the Lions presumably pay someone to answer that"
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i dont know what the right one is, but i have to say it was NOT let him twist in the wind and make themselves look less intelligent than the reporter who dug it up

its obviously on paper somewhere, and you're hiring an NFL head coach.

doing the due diligence to find out and at least having a well crafted, conscientious statement to make the MINUTE the media gets a hold of it would have been 100000000000x better than whats going on right now. because the franchise looks incompetent and the more information that comes out, the worse it seems to get.

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85. "RE: again, the Lions presumably pay someone to answer that"
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>i dont know what the right one is, but i have to say it was
>NOT let him twist in the wind and make themselves look less
>intelligent than the reporter who dug it up
>
>its obviously on paper somewhere, and you're hiring an NFL
>head coach.
>
>doing the due diligence to find out and at least having a well
>crafted, conscientious statement to make the MINUTE the media
>gets a hold of it would have been 100000000000x better than
>whats going on right now. because the franchise looks
>incompetent and the more information that comes out, the worse
>it seems to get.


Yeah, I don't think you immediately announce it at a press conference. But I think you make it clear that the organization did it's due diligence, that everyone knew and vetted and discussed the situation, and came to this decision.

The "we didn't know but maybe we did" answer is bad PR.

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90. "holy shit, someone with a brain."
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the option they chose "uh, we didn't know" when that seems like a lie...is the bad option.


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96. "Wait -- so you do this BEFORE the news comes out? LMAO. No. "
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You don't "announce" that a guy was indicted on a
crime on charges that were dropped.

That isn't how employment works.

LMAO.

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99. "he agreed with my saying the exact opposite of that lmao"
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100. "RE: he agreed with my saying the exact opposite of that lmao"
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The crazy thing is…I haven't scrolled down yet but already know he is just gonna run with it, regardless of what words anyone wrote.


Because obviously there is no coherent argument against

"Be prepared to explain that you knew about the incident, that it had been vetted and discussed both with Patricia and with management and everyone had come to XYZ decision"


Thats just the basics©

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104. "RIGHT! So if they had EXPLAINED THAT, there'd be NO ISSUE!?!?!"
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> "Be prepared to explain that you knew about the incident,
>that it had been vetted and discussed both with Patricia and
>with management and everyone had come to XYZ decision"

That is your argument!?!?

If so:
Bwhahahahahhahaha

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108. "RE: RIGHT! So if they had EXPLAINED THAT, there'd be NO ISSUE!?!?!"
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Who said there would be "no issue"? You are saying that to avoid answering the question I asked.


I said that would be smart, demonstrate foresight and some common sense, and put the organization in a better position.


No issue? That's either a fantasy, or a red herring. Unless you are asking if it would be an issue for me, in which case my answer is and has been no.

It was likely going to make news at some point, I would want my organization to be prepared, transparent and united on what the response will be when/if it does.


The Lions cannot control whether it becomes an "issue" but they can control their response, their preparedness and the optics of the situation.


Also, you are dumb as bricks

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110. "LMAOOO. So the issue is NOT THE SEXUAL ASSAULT/ER?!?! "
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So the issue is NOT the act and the actor but the
WAY it was handled?!?

LMAO

Is that what you're honestly saying!??!?

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111. "RE: LMAOOO. So the issue is NOT THE SEXUAL ASSAULT/ER?!?! "
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Yes, that's what we were talking about in the threat you replied to. The organization's handling of the situation. Not what happened on South Padre Island in 1996 which I know almost nothing about.

We were talking about the Lions and why Cg thought they should fire the GM. Which he wrote in response to my statementI didn't think Patricia should be fired based on the information available.


You didn't read because, as I said before, you are dumb as bricks.



Keep going though, you know I love when you run down a rabbithole to nowhere you lil goofball you

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117. "So Patricia himself has NOTHING to do with this? ONLY issue is PR? LOL"
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118. "RE: So Patricia himself has NOTHING to do with this? ONLY issue is PR? L..."
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Keep going little buddy, I seen you type more LOLs than this.


About time you go full Chip Kelly again.

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125. "Orbit_Established: Standing firmly in defense of billion dollar organiza..."
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when your whole argument is "they'd have to hire a PR firm because obviously no one employed there has PR as their job title or responsibility"

you're on shaky ground.


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89. "you: claim something I didn't say"
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then you: WHY DO YOU SAY THE THING I SAID YOU SAID

stop lying.

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68. "lol k"
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49. "to whomst are you asking?"
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54. "Whomst? lol"
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59. "whomst."
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75. "notice mans never identified who he's asking this question of"
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79. "RE: notice mans never identified who he's asking this question of"
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http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg

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87. "exactly "
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70. "oh."
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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2018/05/11/patricia-sex-assault-case-included-medical-evidence/34794729/

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81. "5 witnesses? yikes"
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83. "Wow what? "
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You obviously read to the end of the article. So you surely saw who 4 of the 5 witnesses are.
A nurse, a doctor, and two police. What is shocking about that?

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88. "what would shock you, as an experienced investigator of sexual assault"
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94. "RE: what would shock you, as an experienced investigator of sexual assau..."
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http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg

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123. "right, nothing to say."
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133. "You rarely (if ever) have anything worthy of responding to"
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135. "nothing that you can respond to without feeling bad about yourself"
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is what you mean.

I get it.

It's better to link a picture.

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91. "unproven accusations = presumed innocence = nothing to discuss."
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If we're gonna insist on having mere accusations follow someone through life, hover over every future opportunity, then we're asking for a world of trouble for an endless array of innocent people.

I'm hoping the Lions did the right thing and didn't even look into it.

  

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92. "so you'd be ok with them hiring George Zimmerman. cool."
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97. "LMAO! Nigga in here arguing like it's Playstation vs. XBox"
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Good lord

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120. "mans innocent. according to y'all, hire him to save young black men"
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93. "the amount of lying at play here is hilarious"
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UNPROVEN ACCUSATIONS

....as though when hiring at this level is not primarily done on the basis of personal relationships that rely exactly on what people think of someone's history.

it's the first lie -- where you pretend like you don't know how things already work.

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95. "the slippery slope argument is so damn weak"
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>then we're asking for a world of trouble for an endless array of
> innocent people

Especially if you look at any of the studies about assault and rates of false reporting.

Spoiler: false accusations are extremely rare

  

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98. "Nah, slippery slope is dude saying he's George Zimmerman"
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People are embarrassing themselves in here

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101. "RE: unproven accusations = presumed innocence = nothing to discuss."
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>If we're gonna insist on having mere accusations follow
>someone through life, hover over every future opportunity,
>then we're asking for a world of trouble for an endless array
>of innocent people.
>
>I'm hoping the Lions did the right thing and didn't even look
>into it.

There is NO REASON not to look into it.


That is asinine, and potentially very costly to your business.



You should look into it, and then act accordingly.


If you look into a rape/murder allegation against a potential hire and find out he beat the case when the other witnesses turned up dead, and the DNA evidence they found on the victim was ruled inadmissible because a cop lost chain of custody…that's one thing.

If you look into it, and it was thrown out of court because there was no evidence and the judge found that the police had falsified testimony to secure a grand jury hearing…that is potentially another.


What would one gain by not looking into it…especially a job this public, with this much money involved, in this social climate, as part of an entertainment company with such a charged history regarding violence against women?


Remind me never to give you the keys to my billion-dollar money machine.

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103. "it was also south padre spring break two decades ago"
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how many times more sexual assaults happened there than convictions? 10x? 20x? probably higher.

  

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109. "RE: it was also south padre spring break two decades ago"
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>how many times more sexual assaults happened there than
>convictions? 10x? 20x? probably higher.

So you would willfully NOT look into it at all?


Seems stupid given all the things I said.

On your side of argument, if you are wrong and he turns out to be a serial child molester who got off on a technicality, or if he does something at the job and people say hey did you ever look into that 1996 sex assault, and you say "no, why would i have it was two decades ago!"...you lose your good name, lots of money, your coach and staff, maybe the GM, more money to a PR firms to salvage situation, and probably some advertisers to boot.


On the one hand maybe you try to find out if everything is good with the huge investment you are making. Even on the remote chance that this is something bigger than it looks. This option you might lose some time and a negligible amount of money, but you essentially risk nothing.


And you pick option one?



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112. "i'm with you 100%"
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i'm saying the context of his case makes me less sympathetic to the "he was never convicted" angle.

  

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116. "Rj says he's George Zimmerman. I find that analogy deeply offensive. "
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That analogy is, ironically, disrespectful to Trayvon
Martin.

People are really quite dumb.

  

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121. "explain exactly how you're offended by what I said."
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not the lie you're telling.

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129. "it's a fairly obvious step."
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dude is going to be involved in punishing people who face similar accusations to the one he had.

those people deserve to know about this and how the organization handled it in his case.

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102. "we don't know what happened, but we do know america"
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mike patricia's job security isn't keeping anyone innocent from being treated unjustly. we've already slipped way down that slope.

  

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137. "slope is just a cliff people have been thrown off forever"
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and probably in the next season, Matt Patricia will at some point stand at a podium and explain how they've cut a player for conduct that didn't live up to the Lions standard, even though that player has not yet been convicted of a crime.

and if this was never mentioned, that player would never have the ability to say "but the organization has a different standard for you?"

so who are we protecting exactly.

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106. "quick note: i never said anything about a slippery slope"
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My feeling is we're already there in a lot of ways, where we struggle to meet in practice the ideal of affording accused ppl the presumption of innocence...but it was at least uncontroversial to hold it up as the right way, the ideal. I'm just saying it seems its getting to the point now where its taboo to even suggest that the presumption of innocence is a good thing, and then if that mindset wins, society's even more fucked.

  

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107. "speaking truth for power is an interesting choice is all"
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114. "Truth for power? "
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126. "what?"
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you seem to be wildly misled on what "presumption of innocence" has ever meant anywhere.


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113. "Once I saw the subject line and the number of replies..."
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... I knew this would be an awful post.

I clicked the post, and sure enough, it's awful.

Now if you'll excuse me, *abesimpson.gif*

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119. "Be nice if we could hear the victim's side. "
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Because I have no idea which way to go here. It doesn't seem like he has any other sexual assault issues under his belt. At the same time, the facts around this case make his side look very specious. I'm all for not having stuff like this follow you for life. But the thing about sexual assault cases, there is hardly ever a time when the victim is ever believed unless there are multiple victims (way more than just two).

  

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124. "my question for the Lions is if they checked if there are any other"
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issues.

or if they're checking now, since they want to claim they didn't know?

real simple stuff.

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122. "ZOMG THIS WILL RUIN YOUNG BLACK MEN"
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...ask people who don't realize that this man will now be in a management position doling out punishment to young black men accused of unbecoming behavior who have not been convicted of crimes.

when they are suspended, cut, or remain unsigned...are y'all going to ask the Lions organization exactly why they accept "he says he didn't do it, there's no conviction" for their head coach but not their DB?

congratulations on protecting the fates of black men by failing to hold the organization to any kind of standard. y'all are so easily tricked into working on behalf of rich white people I swear.

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130. "RE: ZOMG THIS WILL RUIN YOUNG BLACK MEN"
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>...ask people who don't realize that this man will now be in
>a management position doling out punishment to young black men
>accused of unbecoming behavior who have not been convicted of
>crimes.
>
>when they are suspended, cut, or remain unsigned...are y'all
>going to ask the Lions organization exactly why they accept
>"he says he didn't do it, there's no conviction" for their
>head coach but not their DB?
>
>congratulations on protecting the fates of black men by
>failing to hold the organization to any kind of standard.
>y'all are so easily tricked into working on behalf of rich
>white people I swear.
>

What in the world are you talking about? Take a deep breath, please.

Other than a couple odd comments and OE doing this thing- and boy will he have fun with your hyperventilating post- the general reaction here is

1) Hard to make a call on Patricia culpability given the paucity of information available and how long ago the event was.

2) The Lions have not done themselves or Patricia or their fans any favors with their handling of the situation.


Are those reactionary positions?


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132. "what don't you get?"
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134. "where have I said anything other than this?"
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1) Hard to make a call on Patricia culpability given the paucity of information available and how long ago the event was.

2) The Lions have not done themselves or Patricia or their fans any favors with their handling of the situation.

This is literally my post from last week.

y'all like disagreeing with me so much you take my old takes.

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139. "RE: where have I said anything other than this?"
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>1) Hard to make a call on Patricia culpability given the
>paucity of information available and how long ago the event
>was.
>
>2) The Lions have not done themselves or Patricia or their
>fans any favors with their handling of the situation.
>
>This is literally my post from last week.
>
>y'all like disagreeing with me so much you take my old takes.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


I took it you were saying that the thread was full of reactionary, "PC CULTURE AMOK" hot takes.

My mistake then. Apologies, although I think the post i responded to could have been framed better if that was not what you are saying.

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140. "RE: Matt Patricia"
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https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/matt-patricia-failures-make-fans-miss-jim-caldwell

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141. "something something rocket scientist"
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seeing this guy burn everything to the ground during his descent from Belichick's orbit is marvelous

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142. "but Jim Caldwell was trash tho"
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151. "kinda but thats a separate issue. there were no Patricia supporters."
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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143. "teams gonna have to learn: leave those ex-Cheatriots alone"
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>seeing this guy burn everything to the ground during his
>descent from Belichick's orbit is marvelous

Josh "Tebow" McDaniels was ass away from Belichick
Charlie Scheiß, Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, now Patricia.

Jury's out on Vrabel. At least Vrabel was a former player and not one of the coaches.

  

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144. "i have only good things to say about Vrabel so far."
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i thought it was a terrible hire for us but its working well.

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154. "I think this is a significant difference"
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>At least Vrabel was a former player and
>not one of the coaches.

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147. "Dollars to donuts this dude contributes mad cash to Trump"
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Got his disparagement of a successful black man down pat.

Trump: I inherited a mess from Obama

Patricia: When I came to Detroit, there was a lot of work to do

  

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148. "he's been weirdly BLM friendly?"
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I haven't looked closely but there's some stuff

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150. "I tried to look it up. Too many names. Need to know where he "resides""
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https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?two_year_transaction_period=2020&min_date=01%2F01%2F2019&max_date=12%2F31%2F2020

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145. "lol"
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"the amount of arrogance required for a person in Patricia’s position to give a quote like that is truly astounding. The Lions had a winning record in three of the four seasons before Patricia’s tenure began, and made the playoffs twice. Jim Caldwell, who coached the team in each of those four seasons, went 36-28 during his time in Detroit. Patricia, meanwhile, is 10-25-1 as the Lions head coach, and has, incredibly, lost 12 of his last 13 games despite having a lead in all but one of them."

https://defector.com/matt-patricia-has-made-the-lions-as-unlikable-as-they-are-bad/

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146. "I'll guess several of these Belichick assistants believe"
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they were just as personally responsible for New England's success as Belichick was. and that as head coaches, it's now *their* turn to simply imitate Belichick and build the same dynasty, just like that.

I mean, how do you spin your brain to answer a question about your shitty fourth quarter performances by saying:

"Yeah, I don't think so. I think I got probably one of the biggest plays in the fourth quarter in the history of the NFL."

he REALLY REFERENCED the Malcolm Butler interception from FIVE YEARS AGO as the reason he's a good fourth quarter coach. fucking Bill Belichick himself doesn't even reference a good call from last week, and this mfer...

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149. "in their mind it's just them and bill"
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meanwhile bill prolly just has a coded number system for each one because he doesn't remember their names

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156. "^^^"
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peace & blessings,

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153. "Also, Brian Flores called for Malcolm Butler to go in, not Patricia"
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There's literally footage of Flores calling for Butler to go in on that last play.

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152. "Gone (c)Kanye"
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.

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it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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155. "only Parcells and Belichick can play those mind games"
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Quinn and Patricia were just shitty echoes of the Patriot Way

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157. "He was a huge asshole and bad coach BUT..."
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...when you look at just how many close games they lost, it does really shine a light on just how narrow the margins are in the NFL.

  

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158. "If a team consistently loses close games, that’s on the coach. "
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jimaveli
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159. "RE: If a team consistently loses close games, that’s on the coach. "
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I’m harder on coaches when a team shows up for a game and can’t score or stop the other team. Aka the Jets over most of the Adam Gase era. Bears offense too.

I want to try to give Lynn a pass with the Chargers based on brutal injuries but he’s getting the side eye a lot lately cuz of the love for Herbert’s fantasy points. But most of both of their lines are not intact. I consider it borderline good coaching that they’ve been so competitive with all of the folks they’ve had out.

  

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calij81
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168. "I like Lynn but this is a reoccurring theme over two seasons now "
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Lynn probably gets to come back next season and coach but if he doesn’t get the Chargers to the playoffs then he has to go.

  

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163. "having a terrible coach is not a narrow margin"
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that aggregate gets wider over time

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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165. "you are what your record says you are (c) Parcells"
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the NFL has 32 teams with the same resource parameters -- games are going to be close.

last year the Chargers (-0.5), Colts (-0.8), Steelers (-0.9), Bears (-1.1) and Broncos (-2.1) had negative point differentials of less than a field goal. none of them made the playoffs.

but the Packers (+3.9), Bills (+3.4), Eagles (+1.9) and Seahawks (+0.4) did. ifs and buts are for the losing teams in the NFL.

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170. "To be clear, I completely agree with all of you "
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It’s just wild how a few more wins, he’d feel vindicated and we’d be talking about him like he’s Belichick 2. And that wasn’t THAT far off from becoming reality.

  

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172. "nah, Caldwell BETTER"
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>It’s just wild how a few more wins, he’d feel vindicated
>and we’d be talking about him like he’s Belichick 2. And
>that wasn’t THAT far off from becoming reality.
>
>

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160. "Laminated play sheet. And a pencil "
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All I needed to know

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166. "lol, Lions fans donated to Deshaun Watson's charity because of this"
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167. "it was obvious from the start they never should've hired dude"
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he demanded accountability but did not take accountability and you see what happened

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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169. "trying to be Belicheat Jr rarely works"
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>he demanded accountability but did not take accountability
>and you see what happened
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161. "RE: Matt Patricia"
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162. "Hopefully he's nothing more than a d line coach next job"
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He's not good enough to be a defensive coordinator again, unless Belichick feels like taking him back

  

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164. "he's white he'll get another HC job"
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