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Dr Claw
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"another bit of greatness from LeBron."


  

          

link: https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/979360778263375875

"And we now know that black boys need black men in their lives. Doesn't even need to their father. Thank you to every strong, admirable black man who I had as a kid. Please listen and share with your friends and family. We must continue to educate ourselves on the real issues."

(of course the first reply is some deflecting ass bullshit)

this is why Shrilly McLame fka Laura Ingraham tells him to "shut up and dribble"

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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I'm actually really starting to love LeBron. I can't believe it.
Mar 30th 2018
1
he's gotten better at the PR game for sure.
Mar 30th 2018
2
nah that's not PR. That's just who he is.
Mar 30th 2018
3
right? lol...
Mar 30th 2018
6
Nah hes Def got pr refinement
Mar 30th 2018
9
      um - it's called growing into a man.
Mar 30th 2018
11
           When you are gonna grow into a man that can read?
Mar 30th 2018
13
                When are you gonna not be petty and stop exposing your bias?
Mar 30th 2018
14
                     Are you implying that he hasn't received PR refinement?
Mar 30th 2018
16
                     I think so.
Mar 30th 2018
18
                          Again, I'm not talking about social commentary
Mar 31st 2018
19
                     Lol, y'all can both be right
Mar 31st 2018
20
                          Basically
Mar 31st 2018
21
                          word. 'bron got his Culture Freedom AND PR Refinement degrees.
Mar 31st 2018
23
                               dudes really tryna act like Lebron ain't get no PR assist when there's
Apr 02nd 2018
26
                                    actually nobody is saying that.
Apr 02nd 2018
27
                                         Lol my 2nd post clarified what I was talking about
Apr 04th 2018
28
                                              Nah, but "PR refinement" has nothing to do with it.
Apr 04th 2018
29
                                              lol, I smelled some sarcasm in his post
Apr 04th 2018
30
                                              it's gonna be ok.
Apr 04th 2018
31
No, he's just overwhelming people with being an awesome person.
Mar 30th 2018
4
some white people are so desperate for attention
Mar 30th 2018
7
      mofos got super-triggered..."why can't it be any man???"
Mar 30th 2018
8
      Response should have been: Why can't it be "any crime instead of
Oct 11th 2019
38
      As a white dude who has mentored and taught many black kids
Mar 30th 2018
17
      Assholes will say “Black people need to help themselves”
Mar 31st 2018
22
      twitter is such a wasteland
Apr 01st 2018
25
he really is an amazing dude.
Mar 30th 2018
5
the goat has spoken.
Mar 30th 2018
10
Solid dude (c) Big Wos
Mar 30th 2018
12
I used to laugh when that one dude called him LeRobot
Mar 30th 2018
15
That's wassup
Apr 01st 2018
24
Now it's, shut up and let us dribble
Oct 10th 2019
32
right? same logic: "why does Bron need to speak out on this?
Oct 10th 2019
33
Just an athlete.
Oct 10th 2019
34
so y'all have nothing to say about kashmir
Oct 11th 2019
35
there's Turkey too. they gotta speak up on that?
Oct 11th 2019
37
you can't get more pressing and clear cut
Oct 11th 2019
39
Enes Kanter already giving em hell on Turkey
Oct 16th 2019
117
The NBA is facilitating games in Turkey?
Oct 16th 2019
118
      what?
Oct 16th 2019
125
weak deflection and weird flex, but ok.
Oct 16th 2019
113
      according to you we need to speak out if the NBA is playing games there
Oct 16th 2019
126
           Kashmir didn't lash out and attempt to stifle public opinion
Oct 18th 2019
143
                ...do you know where Kashmir is?
Oct 18th 2019
148
                     good to know that you don't give a fuck about muslim's being genocided
Oct 18th 2019
149
i gotta ride with yall on this one.
Oct 14th 2019
47
      foh
Oct 14th 2019
49
      lol fam.
Oct 14th 2019
51
           if you think lebron is fucked up for doing business in/with china
Oct 14th 2019
53
                good brother you need to re-evaluate your position.
Oct 14th 2019
62
                     what energy are we even talking about?
Oct 14th 2019
63
                          dat sistency.
Oct 14th 2019
65
      RE: i gotta ride with yall on this one.
Oct 16th 2019
130
tfw when you're posting talking points written by racists
Oct 11th 2019
36
I choose to not be a headline (c) Kerr, when asked if Morey
Oct 12th 2019
40
      where exactly did Steve Kerr say that he's now obliged
Oct 14th 2019
41
           a long list of international incidents...directly tied to the NBA...GO!
Oct 14th 2019
42
                you already ignored kashmir, you don't get to change the rules.
Oct 14th 2019
43
                     what time is tip-off in kashmir?
Oct 15th 2019
71
                          they played the games two weeks ago, where were you?
Oct 15th 2019
78
weak sauce
Oct 15th 2019
74
which one of yall gonna give bron a pass on this shit?
Oct 14th 2019
44
btw i didnt realize china got a tibetan taken out of doctor strange
Oct 14th 2019
45
truly Jordanesque
Oct 14th 2019
46
this is even worse imo.
Oct 14th 2019
50
      yeah you're right
Oct 14th 2019
54
      where'd he say he was on the wrong side?
Oct 14th 2019
57
who has gassed up lebron as a world political expert?
Oct 14th 2019
48
lebron noooooooooo
Oct 14th 2019
52
holy shit bron is playing victim!
Oct 14th 2019
55
go over to china right quick
Oct 14th 2019
56
wheres the criticism of china for going way overboard?
Oct 14th 2019
59
      that tiger went tiger.
Oct 14th 2019
60
      wait whats your exact angle here?
Oct 14th 2019
66
           was I unclear?
Oct 14th 2019
68
      quick question -- who are the people who've actually spoken against Chin...
Oct 14th 2019
61
           so youre with me that everyone should be criticizing china?
Oct 14th 2019
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                I think anyone who wants to and is taking that ride with their eyes open
Oct 14th 2019
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                     RE: I think anyone who wants to and is taking that ride with their eyes ...
Oct 15th 2019
72
                          that's the dumbest shit you've ever typed, and not what I said.
Oct 15th 2019
77
savannah and rich need to take the phone from him
Oct 14th 2019
58
he needs another "Black man in America" drop squad hit
Oct 15th 2019
75
in his head that shit sounded so eloquent too
Oct 15th 2019
70
you really are just a basic ass american white liberal
Oct 15th 2019
79
I don't give him a 'pass'
Oct 16th 2019
105
He didn’t even support his own peer or own american.
Oct 15th 2019
69
Suge China
Oct 15th 2019
73
One thing I do agree with LeBron on this:
Oct 15th 2019
76
pretty much
Oct 15th 2019
83
Why in the fuck should players be expected to support US foreign policy?
Oct 15th 2019
80
2018 Bron would like to have a word with you
Oct 15th 2019
89
nope. misusing MLK quotes at random is some white ass shit
Oct 15th 2019
94
Morey did the puppet man's dance.
Oct 15th 2019
96
LeBron is right and Tilman's response proves it.
Oct 15th 2019
81
RE: LeBron is right and Tilman's response proves it.
Oct 15th 2019
84
      yesssss.yell at kaepernick for not speaking out on issues in china
Oct 15th 2019
85
I think the point is from the players' standpoint is if a player did...
Oct 15th 2019
82
Any examples of an nba player fined for political statement?
Oct 15th 2019
87
no but this China shit is different
Oct 15th 2019
90
      Exactly. China is thr difference.
Oct 15th 2019
95
I don't think they'd be treated any differently
Oct 15th 2019
88
Is that what he said? That seems like a fair inference but I didn't hear...
Oct 15th 2019
97
They're burning Bron's jersey in Hong Kong...
Oct 15th 2019
86
Also it just shows you how unaware Lebron is.
Oct 15th 2019
91
just call into rush limbaugh or something man
Oct 15th 2019
92
they could have easily skirted this for YEARS longer
Oct 15th 2019
99
the fact that a tweet can cause this much of a reaction
Oct 16th 2019
108
      exactamundo (c) jules
Oct 16th 2019
128
Let's not bullshit ourselves here.
Oct 15th 2019
93
being the top player is kinda like being the president in this situation
Oct 15th 2019
98
the perception is that LeBron was serving his China interests
Oct 15th 2019
100
      RE: the perception is that LeBron was serving his China interests
Oct 16th 2019
101
           if daryl morey wasn't uninformed on how his tweet would be received
Oct 16th 2019
102
                RE: if daryl morey wasn't uninformed on how his tweet would be received
Oct 16th 2019
103
                     sue them for what? you talking out your ass
Oct 16th 2019
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                          RE: sue them for what? you talking out your ass
Oct 16th 2019
106
                               this america, man. companies don't need a valid reason
Oct 16th 2019
119
                               sue them for what? it's literally his job to not do the thing he did
Oct 16th 2019
120
RJ killing cats in here
Oct 16th 2019
107
This is precisely the point, though:
Oct 16th 2019
110
Black people talking about police killing Black people domestically
Oct 16th 2019
114
      Of course it's not the same, but I'd challenge this line of thinking:
Oct 16th 2019
115
           if morey cares about the HK protesters
Oct 16th 2019
127
           RE: if morey cares about the HK protesters
Oct 16th 2019
131
           you're white people "freedom fetishing" , and putting that weight on Bro...
Oct 18th 2019
147
                Basically
Oct 19th 2019
151
                     white american etitlement and cowardice, foreign policy remix
Oct 20th 2019
153
RE: RJ killing cats in here
Oct 16th 2019
111
Let's not oversimplify:
Oct 16th 2019
112
      RE: Let's not oversimplify:
Oct 16th 2019
116
most people have never had to think about these things before today
Oct 16th 2019
121
US Representatives have passed a bill to support Hong Kong
Oct 16th 2019
109
see the false framing?
Oct 16th 2019
122
      RE: see the false framing?
Oct 16th 2019
123
           I think multiple things can be true
Oct 16th 2019
124
LeBron just clarified his stance today
Oct 16th 2019
129
he clarified his stance when asked about it, immediately after
Oct 16th 2019
132
      Exactly. He literally said it right after and how it was about the tweet
Oct 16th 2019
133
The NBA has incurred significant financial losses..
Oct 17th 2019
134
you can't just put phrases in a different order
Oct 17th 2019
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      RE: you can't just put phrases in a different order
Oct 17th 2019
136
           he didn't say "I don't where to go from here."
Oct 17th 2019
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                RE: he didn't say "I don't where to go from here."
Oct 17th 2019
138
                     ommfg
Oct 18th 2019
140
^^^ for Darfur 07
Oct 18th 2019
139
...were y'all confused about the NBA?
Oct 18th 2019
141
Isn’t that how apartheid came to an end?
Oct 18th 2019
142
      good luck w/ that
Oct 18th 2019
146
           So the poster that has half the replies in this thread...
Oct 19th 2019
150
                I wished you well with your protests against any company linked to china
Oct 19th 2019
152
RE: ^^^ for Darfur 07
Oct 18th 2019
144
      he literally didn't denounce morey for that.
Oct 18th 2019
145

B.J.S.301
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1. "I'm actually really starting to love LeBron. I can't believe it. "
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Reading that thread was trash. Utter trash. People are so blind to their own agendas.

I have to apologize to my younger self for hating on this man all these years. He's a quality person and the greatest basketball player of all time.

  

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Cenario
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2. "he's gotten better at the PR game for sure."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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3. "nah that's not PR. That's just who he is."
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6. "right? lol..."
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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Cenario
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9. "Nah hes Def got pr refinement"
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I'm not talking about social commentary. I'm just saying he hasn't always been savvy with a mic in front of him.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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11. "um - it's called growing into a man."
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Fri Mar-30-18 04:18 PM by Vex_id

          

What - you thought Bron was supposed to stay 19 forever? This isn't the product of some PR firm massaging - this is just Bron speaking his mind as a grown man who is intelligent and apprised of social conditions and current events. It's simple.

Attempts to try to render these kinds of statements as inauthentic because it's "PR spin" is non-sense - and speaks more about the critic than Bron himself.

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13. "When you are gonna grow into a man that can read?"
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i specifically said i'm not talking about social commentary. jeez...lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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14. "When are you gonna not be petty and stop exposing your bias?"
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Part of growing into a man is getting comfortable behind a mic and finding your own voice. That takes time. It's not PR grooming. It's growing into who he already is.

This really ain't the topic to go full rob parker on.


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16. "Are you implying that he hasn't received PR refinement?"
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That the things he says and does outside of the court are him just growing into a man?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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18. "I think so. "
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LeBron always knew what type of person he was. No type of PR refinement is gonna change your core. None of what is said in that tweet has anything to do with PR. I think those are his raw thoughts.

  

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19. "Again, I'm not talking about social commentary "
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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20. "Lol, y'all can both be right"
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He is free to grow into and express who he is while having received PR refinement during that time

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21. "Basically "
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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23. "word. 'bron got his Culture Freedom AND PR Refinement degrees. "
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26. "dudes really tryna act like Lebron ain't get no PR assist when there's "
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1 million articles on the internet about it. Like how can you be on Lebron nuts so much and not know this basic info?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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27. "actually nobody is saying that."
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Of course he gets "PR refinement" (as does every superstar in his position) - he's engaged in several businesses and is active & aware of how social/marketing media works and is absorbed by the public.

That does not mean that his statements here are just a product of PR spin (which you implied with your initial response). That's who LeBron James is - a socially conscious athlete who embraces dialogue on social issues, never shying away from using his platform. It's not groomed or inauthentic in any way - as if he's just doing this for good PR. That it happens to be "good PR" is indicative of how influential he is - as he has helped to change the narrative of mainstream society as it pertains to a number of social issues.



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28. "Lol my 2nd post clarified what I was talking about "
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Wed Apr-04-18 06:24 AM by Cenario

  

          

And yet you still talking bout some growing into a man and social commentary.

You sound like a blabbering idiot.

Should a just said, oh I misunderstood yeah he definitely has had pr refinement.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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29. "Nah, but "PR refinement" has nothing to do with it. "
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He's just an incredible person.

That's really all there is to it.

You just came across mad.

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30. "lol, I smelled some sarcasm in his post"
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Is it really PR to speak positively about Black men and how they need to be in their sons life?

Wtf does PR have to do with that statement?

That’s just common sense.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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31. "it's gonna be ok."
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4. "No, he's just overwhelming people with being an awesome person. "
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Awesomeness can be overwhelming, even to stupid, awful
people (not to all stupid, awful people, obviously. But
it can work on quite a few of them).

  

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7. "some white people are so desperate for attention"
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gotdamn, can't even encourage black men to help Black kids without their feelings getting hurt

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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8. "mofos got super-triggered..."why can't it be any man???""
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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38. "Response should have been: Why can't it be "any crime instead of"
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black on black crime?"

May as well deflect on them the same way they do. They like to draw lines when it's convenient for them.

Better yet, response should have been: "Feel free to help the next young black man growing up that you see. But I bet that's not on your agenda."

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17. "As a white dude who has mentored and taught many black kids"
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I would never in a million years be like, "oh it can be any man". It's vitally important that these you black men see grown men who look like them and come from the same background be successful and get advice from them. I was just trying to do my part.

It befuddles me with this whole opioid epidemic and rural white poverty caused by lack of opportunity, that they can't see that this is what most black people have been going through, not for 20-30 years, but for hundreds. White Americans play the victim like no other though.

  

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22. "Assholes will say “Black people need to help themselves”"
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but as soon as they hear this quote they want to act like they care.

I feel like those who never have any contact always want to play the victim like they were going to sign up to be a big brother.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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25. "twitter is such a wasteland"
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exchanges like these are why i'm always deactivating. it just hurts my brain to see this play out on like every tweet.

  

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5. "he really is an amazing dude. "
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____________________________________________________


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10. "the goat has spoken."
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12. "Solid dude (c) Big Wos"
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___________________

Mar-A-Lago delenda est

  

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15. "I used to laugh when that one dude called him LeRobot"
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Now that hes doing all this, and hes my age? Cant help but like dude
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24. "That's wassup"
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Days like this I miss Sha Mecca

  

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32. "Now it's, shut up and let us dribble"
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33. "right? same logic: "why does Bron need to speak out on this?"
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when nobody else is? Besides, it would put a significant dent in profitability and earning potential! Like it or not it's a business!"

Keep that 'sistency.

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34. "Just an athlete."
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These shits write themselves fam

"Keep that 'sistency."

Remember when folks was clowning Jordan for not speaking up

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35. "so y'all have nothing to say about kashmir"
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37. "there's Turkey too. they gotta speak up on that?"
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both situations, imo, that are more cut and dry than the China one

  

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39. "you can't get more pressing and clear cut"
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117. "Enes Kanter already giving em hell on Turkey"
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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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118. "The NBA is facilitating games in Turkey?"
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Oh, or not at all.

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125. "what?"
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113. "weak deflection and weird flex, but ok."
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126. "according to you we need to speak out if the NBA is playing games there"
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they played games...no one said shit.

where's the heat?

do we not care about kashmir?

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143. "Kashmir didn't lash out and attempt to stifle public opinion"
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You seem to missing the simple point that China was the provoker here, not us. Even Saudi Arabia wouldn't dare try to dictate what we can or can't say about their genocidal war in Yemen - regardless of the multi-billion dollar business interests between the two countries.

Let me know when Kashmir tries to manage how we discuss its policies and then we can have an apples to apples conversation.

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148. "...do you know where Kashmir is?"
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149. "good to know that you don't give a fuck about muslim's being genocided"
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as long as no one goes on TV and tells you to care about it.

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47. "i gotta ride with yall on this one."
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this incident is really making it apparent how much a lot of 'activism' is tied to personal brand identity and commercialization.

some folks are all in when nike can center an ad on it and sell some apparel.

but when you might fuck up that paycheck or that stock market cap...things get a lil spooky lol.

  

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49. "foh"
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51. "lol fam."
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53. "if you think lebron is fucked up for doing business in/with china"
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then that's fine imo.

pretending like he's supposed to speak out against a whole country and government when he's not in the first 500 on the list of people who should be speaking about it is bizarre

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62. "good brother you need to re-evaluate your position."
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just admit it. the energy aint the same.

any time you got me, vex, and bentagain agreeing on some shit...lol

  

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63. "what energy are we even talking about?"
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65. "dat sistency."
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130. "RE: i gotta ride with yall on this one."
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yup, never mistake any of this corporate stuff for real "stands" or "progress." if they can make more money off standing (or kneeling) with kaep, they will, if not, they won't. same shit here. not only it is lebron's own brand, it's all the players and the whole league. i wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a meeting between lebron's camp and the league to coordinate something subtle but clear, a message to china that we aren't going to have any further fuss on this.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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36. "tfw when you're posting talking points written by racists"
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40. "I choose to not be a headline (c) Kerr, when asked if Morey "
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SHOULDN'T be fired

"If you look at the history of the world, the biggest problems come when people don't speak."

-Steve Kerr, 2017


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c'mon man, these are not hard questions

Yes, fox news bad

Why is it so hard to speak up about an infinity worse government?

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41. "where exactly did Steve Kerr say that he's now obliged"
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to talk about anything anyone asks about just because they want to hear about it?

because I can give you a long list of international incidents he didn't say a word about before and you were ok with that.

but now it's a problem?

seems like you're the one with inconsistent priorities.

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42. "a long list of international incidents...directly tied to the NBA...GO!"
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other than Turkey/Kanter...I'm truly interested in reading your list.

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43. "you already ignored kashmir, you don't get to change the rules."
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71. "what time is tip-off in kashmir?"
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cool list bro

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78. "they played the games two weeks ago, where were you?"
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74. "weak sauce"
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44. "which one of yall gonna give bron a pass on this shit?"
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https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/1183917743680020480

dude said *morey* isnt educated enough on the subject lol.

this is a lot of folks fault for gassing bron up as some credible political expert/icon. dude is acting like people who likely know more about this particular subject than him are uninformed and misguided.

nba and its players are really looking like that mayweather money in the light.

  

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45. "btw i didnt realize china got a tibetan taken out of doctor strange"
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and replaced with a white woman (tilda swinton).

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/27/world/asia/china-doctor-strange-tibet.html

adds this to other instances of china making hollywood appease their authoritarian, and companies like apple, google, facebook, etc bowing to their censorship...china been pulling a lot of skirts up with impunity.

  

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46. "truly Jordanesque"
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MLB: Mets / Soccer: PSG
NCAA BB: Arizona / NCAA FB: Michigan
NBA: Spurs / NFL: Jets

  

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50. "this is even worse imo."
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or at least more counter-productive.

instead of just staying silent...he is saying someone that is actually speaking out is on the wrong side.

now people can throw a well-respected figure like bron in the face of people who had moreys back.

  

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54. "yeah you're right"
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just read his full comments, they're...really bad. Going way beyond the mundane millionaire sellout rhetoric to something a lot more disturbing. And to think the initial tweet, in its basicness, gives so much leeway to not agree with it while still defending freedom of speech, and yet the NBA machine is still out here treating it like Morey posted a Liu Xiaobo deep cut or something

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57. "where'd he say he was on the wrong side?"
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he said dude hadn't considered what would happen.


which is apparently true!

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48. "who has gassed up lebron as a world political expert?"
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and when have we asked for his thoughts on international issues?

you gotta show me this.



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52. "lebron noooooooooo"
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this the first time he ever disappointed us on some real life shit. not basketball.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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55. "holy shit bron is playing victim!"
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https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1183934569411530752

this isnt even in reaction to the backlash against his comments. this is him blaming moreys tweet for inconveniencing *him* and his team.

dude really said morey could have waited a week lol.

  

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56. "go over to china right quick"
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lemme fire off a tweet and tag you in it while you're there

edit -- especially considering that morey himself didn't even stand behind the tweet. it'd be one thing if he were taking the ride on his own, but he did it, pulled it back, and wasn't the one stuck in china riding it out not knowing what would happen.

that's reckless shit from a team exec

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59. "wheres the criticism of china for going way overboard?"
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imagine a man complimenting someones wife. that wifes husband getting mad and beating his wife later. then someone criticizing the man who complimented the wife more than the wife beater.

thats you.

  

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60. "that tiger went tiger."
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Darryl Morey is a GENERAL MANAGER.

he is the number one executive in charge of one of the league's teams.

if he wants to be a freedom fighter with his tweets, then go for it.

but don't fire off the tweet, then IMMEDIATELY REGRET IT BECAUSE YOU WERE SCROLLING REDDIT OR WHATEVER

and screw up everybody else's life for two weeks.

be mad at china for overreacting?

so... to recap.

Darryl Morey: unwilling to speak out on china overreacting.
Tilman Fertitta: unwilling to speak out on china overreacting.
Adam Silver: unwilling to speak out on china overreacting.
President #45: a literal pile of rotted cabbage in a suit.

so what you want then is for lebron to stand in support of a tweet that was tweeted by an executive -- not a fellow player, one of the bosses -- that said executive no longer stands behind, in opposition of an entire country.



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66. "wait whats your exact angle here?"
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that we are holding lebron to a standard that we arent applying to everyone else?

that we are letting everyone else off the hook and singling out bron?

im pretty sure most of us are critical of silvers tightrope act, fertitas/rockets reaction, and just the overall capitulation to an authoritarian government in the name of money.

clarify for me.


  

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68. "was I unclear?"
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who exactly are we asking for LeBron to support?

the protestors in general? why now?


because it's not Morey, because he already ran from the tweet, there's nothing to back up.

it's not the NBA, because y'all are mad at them too.

it's not any of our politicians because they won't....so, who then?

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61. "quick question -- who are the people who've actually spoken against Chin..."
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lots of politicians and dickheads came out against the NBA

how many of them, and who with actual power and a name said anything about China and their overreaction?

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64. "so youre with me that everyone should be criticizing china?"
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67. "I think anyone who wants to and is taking that ride with their eyes open"
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should do that.

Like LeBron, I have a number of associates who live *in China.* And in Hong Kong for that matter. This is a thought that I have in mind when I'm writing about things happening in China. As poetx talked about on Twitter -- I might be over here, but they live there, and things can get bad if they're associated with someone who's done the wrong thing.

Putting that possibility into play is something that shouldn't happen on a whim bc someone tweeted without thinking about it.

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72. "RE: I think anyone who wants to and is taking that ride with their eyes ..."
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>should do that.
>
>Like LeBron, I have a number of associates who live *in
>China.* And in Hong Kong for that matter. This is a thought
>that I have in mind when I'm writing about things happening in
>China. As poetx talked about on Twitter -- I might be over
>here, but they live there, and things can get bad if they're
>associated with someone who's done the wrong thing.
>
>Putting that possibility into play is something that shouldn't
>happen on a whim bc someone tweeted without thinking about
>it.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

So the fact that China imposes draconian consequences for political speech is the reason people shouldn't protest China's policy of imposing draconian consequences for political speech, got it.

Imagine your position applied to MeToo. "I know women who still have to exist in workplaces where upsetting the apple cart of male power could cause blowback, chill."

  

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77. "that's the dumbest shit you've ever typed, and not what I said."
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the logic you just stated, says that if, for example, ronan farrow thinks he can take down a predator by naming a victim who doesn't want to be named and who would suffer if their name became public, he should do it anyway.

this is not what you do.

you have to actually consider the impact of your actions, and plan accordingly.

you know, THE THING DARYL DIDN'T DO.

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58. "savannah and rich need to take the phone from him"
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75. "he needs another "Black man in America" drop squad hit"
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He has a license to oppose the most heinous shit anywhere on the planet because we are living on borrowed time anyway.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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70. "in his head that shit sounded so eloquent too "
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in his head


more than an athlete lol

  

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79. "you really are just a basic ass american white liberal"
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105. "I don't give him a 'pass'"
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because his comments are some... bullshit

but I lament the fact that he commented AT ALL, knowing that the second he slipped up, certain idiots arguing in the worst faith would be on HIS ASS.

  

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69. "He didn’t even support his own peer or own american."
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There is never a right or wrong time to speak out against inequality and
Human rights issues. That was the whole purpose of Kap kneeling, which Nike
And Lebrun supported . There are human rights issues in America that are bigger than the game, and when Fans and owners said that wasn’t the right place for it or that they were disrespecting the flag, lebron said that you should always speak up about freedom.

But I guess it was convenient to do that , but not convenient when his money is on the line, even though there are people who are being brutalized, imprisoned, and killed as they fight for human rights and freedom.

I can no longer support this guy, when he strongly degrades his fellow American to protect his money and the business of a communistic government. Would China do the same thing for you against their countrymen? No.

As Jay Williams said on ESPN : PR nightmare for lebron and totally disgusting and disturbing.

  

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73. "Suge China "
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76. "One thing I do agree with LeBron on this:"
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Silver was wrong for expecting that the players go out there and cape for Morey even before the league made an official response. He left them out on an island and wanted them to carry the NBA's water for them. Especially since if things were reversed and say, Russell Westbrook, had said something the NBA would have decried his actions and fined/suspended him for endangering the league's money so fast it would make proverbial heads spin.

That said, I don't agree with LeBron for:

1. Implying that Morey didn't know what he was talking about before he tweeted.

2. Implying he and the rest of the Lakers and Nets were in physical danger over the tweets. He walked it back a bit pretty quick, and said that the tweet could have put them in emotional or spiritual danger. But even then, he's saying Morey was wrong because the players could have had their feelings hurt while they were out there.

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83. "pretty much"
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On the first point, hey, you can disagree but don't say the person is uneducated and not back it up in any way with your own position. That seemed like a statement he was just going go throw out there for damage control--and to keep his own image/ventures in China moving steadily--without being asked a followup.

On the second, IF in fact the players were in some danger because of Morey's opinion, that's more an indictment of China than it is Morey.

What the whole issue comes down to is that Morey started an economic fire for the NBA by expressing a political opinion. If China manages to back out of their deal, that's going to have a ripple effect, including a decrease in player salaries. I am sure not many guys in the league are thrilled about that.

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80. "Why in the fuck should players be expected to support US foreign policy?"
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And if morey already said he didn't know what he was talking about, why is Bron agreeing with him a problem?

  

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89. "2018 Bron would like to have a word with you"
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https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/952902403422150657

  

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94. "nope. misusing MLK quotes at random is some white ass shit"
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and misusing an athletes misuse of MLK is some extra white ass shit

  

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96. "Morey did the puppet man's dance."
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He put it out there and hell hath no fury like a bunch of millionaires scorned. He deleted and had to walk it back any way he could.

Lemme give you an idea of how serious this is. Today I had an informal conversation with two broadcasters who work for NBA teams. Both of them told me that they were told unequivocally that if they made *any* comment on the situation, they would no longer be employed by their teams. One of these guys has been working with the team for 25 years, the other guy isn't a newcomer either.

We can't really take anyone at their word on this. There is a lot of money in the balance and some very harsh words from on high.

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81. "LeBron is right and Tilman's response proves it."
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Nba executives must stay out of geopolitics in emerging markets highly sensitive to free speech.

Tilman Fertitta told Morey to shut and general manage after that tweet. If Morey knew the ramifications of his tweet he would've waited or ran it through Rockets pr. If Fertitta knew the consequences of Morey's tweet he'd fire him.

This LeBron hate has to stop. Everyone mad at him needs to redirect their energy to domestic issues. Free speech is great here but China is not a place to push freedom of speech. Y'all haters want LeBron to negatively impact future players by supporting protesters and end NBA business in China. The NBA can find other sponsors here to replace lost revenue. Who's replacing $1.6 billion and 500 million lost fans if LeBron supports the protesters?

Player and staff safety was in danger no doubt thanks to Morey's reckless actions. Some police carry AKs, I've seen them with my own eyes. Anything could've happened out there... If the NBA explicitly agreed with protestors and backed the opposition that situation explodes. How dare Morey stand against a regime with unfettered societal control down to a mandatory app that penalizes individuals harsh consequences for wrong answers. That move almost cost the NBA China.

If you think LeBron is trash for staying out of this and deal with Chinese businesses in some capwcity do the right thing. Exercise your freedom of speech loud enough for the Chinese government to hear you.

Exercise freedom of speech here where it's allowed and places that support it.

  

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84. "RE: LeBron is right and Tilman's response proves it."
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If the player’s safety was in danger, than that is a reflection of what Morey was speaking about, and the NBA should get out of business with China. If all it took was a
person tweeting about freedom and support of Hong Kong for China to turn its back on the players, and possibly harm the players , what does it say about China?

Benjiman Franklin said it best : Those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither!

This is who you want to do business with? You feel threatened and unsafe in a country that you do business with? That speaks more about you than the person you do business with?

A man needs to sacrifice his freedom of speech and liberties that he has afforded as an american to satisfy what you think is proper and improper?

And then call this man uneducated and dumb all to bend over backwards for a communistic country that does not give two shits about its people, so you know they don’t give two shits about you. These people tore down your images and hid their faces so that they didn’t have to look at you, and you still turn your back on your own countrymen.

Fock that dude, and I’m glad that him and dope supporting Nike are getting the backlash that they are getting. He showed his true colors.

Interesting enough, not a Word from Kap about the human rights issue in China as well, but you want the world and UN to acknowledge the inequalities in America. ..Nike sponsored athlete.

  

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85. "yesssss.yell at kaepernick for not speaking out on issues in china"
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this makes tons of sense, because what kaepernick said is that he's going on a world tour of freedom fighting


while you're on your couch

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82. "I think the point is from the players' standpoint is if a player did..."
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what Morey did discipline would've been swift.

They're still trying to decide what to do if anything with Morey.

  

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87. "Any examples of an nba player fined for political statement?"
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Serious question

Only 1 I got is I think Chris Jackson was fined for not standing during the anthem...20years ago

and the league eventually accepted that as a protected freedom

I would imagine there have been fines for criticizing refs, tampering, etc...

Really can’t think of any fines for social/political statements

Kanter been on his activism for years now

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90. "no but this China shit is different"
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95. "Exactly. China is thr difference."
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I hope the conversation continues to that part

Everything else feels like a deflection

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88. "I don't think they'd be treated any differently"
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but I do think that as a player you don't expect to have any kind of a problem -- no matter how it's justified -- because of something a manager did without thinking it through.

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97. "Is that what he said? That seems like a fair inference but I didn't hear..."
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maybe i missed part of his statements but i thought i heard everything from yesterday and the multitude of non-answers today.

i don't think there would have been punishment per se, in the form of a fine or suspension. but you better be a damn good player not be forced to the margins but the statement, and even then your comeuppance would come down the line. morey fucked with a lot of money here. that isn't me saying he shouldn't have done it--that is up to him--but he had to be better prepared to deal with the reprisal than he seems to be right now.

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86. "They're burning Bron's jersey in Hong Kong..."
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https://sports.yahoo.com/hong-kong-protesters-burn-le-bron-james-jersey-in-street-after-china-comments-190715673.html

  

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91. "Also it just shows you how unaware Lebron is."
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Morey didn’t start this. This situation has always been on the backburner, and it was
just a matter of time that the NBA was going to have to deal with it. Morey just sped it.
Stern knew it was going to rear it’s ugly head, but also knew he wasn’t going to be the commissioner to have to deal with it...so he focused on making money for the owners. Smart man.

“That’s because the N.B.A. has always known that its efforts to cultivate a foothold in China, which began more than 30 years ago, exposed a league that has long championed social justice to precisely this sort of philosophical quandary. As the great Jack McCallum, one of my foremost mentors, wrote in a 2006 Sports Illustrated article on David Stern, then the N.B.A. commissioner: “China presents an even greater conflict for Stern because it has both colossal business potential and a terrible human rights record.”

“Believe me, the China situation bothers me,” Stern told McCallum at the time. “But at the end of the day, I have a responsibility to my owners to make money. I can never forget that, no matter what my personal feelings might be.”


Lets not act like this shit is new and just happened..... this is an issue that the nba kept kicking the can over. Now you’re fucked because America fully knows about it. So if you kiss up to the commies, you’ll be seen as traitors in America, and then your product will really go out the window. And other democratic countries will frown upon your products as well.

  

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92. "just call into rush limbaugh or something man"
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99. "they could have easily skirted this for YEARS longer"
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and with each year we are talking huge money that is getting bigger with the passing of time. that's not right or wrong, that just is.

the nba and other big businesses could have completely skated on this hong-kong clash. they wouldn't have to actively deal with their relationship with china until the inevitable happens, which is when china has a huge internal uprising from a burgeoning middle class without civil and political rights. that's going to happen, but not yet, and until it does everyone can go along to get along.

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108. "the fact that a tweet can cause this much of a reaction"
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speaks volumes about the tenuous nature of this relationship and the one sided compromising necessary to make it work.


>Morey didn’t start this. This situation has always been on
>the backburner, and it was
>just a matter of time that the NBA was going to have to deal
>with it. Morey just sped it.
>Stern knew it was going to rear it’s ugly head, but also
>knew he wasn’t going to be the commissioner to have to deal
>with it...so he focused on making money for the owners. Smart
>man.
>
>“That’s because the N.B.A. has always known that its
>efforts to cultivate a foothold in China, which began more
>than 30 years ago, exposed a league that has long championed
>social justice to precisely this sort of philosophical
>quandary. As the great Jack McCallum, one of my foremost
>mentors, wrote in a 2006 Sports Illustrated article on David
>Stern, then the N.B.A. commissioner: “China presents an even
>greater conflict for Stern because it has both colossal
>business potential and a terrible human rights record.”
>
>“Believe me, the China situation bothers me,” Stern told
>McCallum at the time. “But at the end of the day, I have a
>responsibility to my owners to make money. I can never forget
>that, no matter what my personal feelings might be.”
>
>
>Lets not act like this shit is new and just happened..... this
>is an issue that the nba kept kicking the can over. Now
>you’re fucked because America fully knows about it. So if
>you kiss up to the commies, you’ll be seen as traitors in
>America, and then your product will really go out the window.
>And other democratic countries will frown upon your products
>as well.
>
>

  

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128. "exactamundo (c) jules"
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93. "Let's not bullshit ourselves here."
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Bron could have shut the fuck up, but he did China's work, and the NBA's for that matter.

That doesn't make him an awful person, but this is a terrible look. It doesn't undo all the good he's done, but it's still real fucked up.

  

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98. "being the top player is kinda like being the president in this situation"
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i am disappointed here, but i get it. they've gotta do damage control and fence-mending. he's the best guy to do it. he didn't just say this shit off the cuff, there was a lot that went into it with his camp and probably the league as well.

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100. "the perception is that LeBron was serving his China interests"
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with his comments.

which is weird to me, again, bc he doesn't talk about other countries he has no business dealings with.

but he spoke now.

especially after reading this, it seems like there's a really obvious answer for the person who LeBron is talking about being damaged by Morey's comment.

a person who was on Team USA and can't understand why Morey couldn't follow the simple instructions they received
who had a million dollar deal in China go up in smoke who is in a position to be really upset about losing a million one way or another
and is a person who LeBron is personally invested in building a bond with

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27852687/inside-lebron-james-adam-silver-make-break-moments-china

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allStah
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101. "RE: the perception is that LeBron was serving his China interests"
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Lebron’s tweet In 2018:

“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Our lives begin
to end the day we become silent about things that matter. “

Shannon Sharpe said it best: you just said that you were not informed about China
Or the substance of it, so how are you going to say another man is uneducated and misinformed on the matter when you are uneducated and misinformed on the matter?

How is he going to spill this to the kids and parents when the next time he speaks at a basketball camp or seminar when they bring this to his attention? Or when the next time he tries to speak out about racial issues in America?

He had ten days since morey’s Comments were made to have a well constructed statement prepared. He got it terribly wrong and it is about to cost him his brand and image globally. They are burning the shit out of his jersey worldwide

The uneducated man he was talking about was himself.

You think about Muhammad Ali, Kareem Jabar, Jim Brown, all those guys who stood up for not only black American issues, but global issues.

Craig Hodges sacrificed his career to question the president regarding the inequalities that black Americans were facing , and dude was blackballed by the NBA and still is.

And he did all this as a Laker ,in a laker uniform in Hollywood, with a new movie on the way, and lots of American business deals. His sons attending American high schools, etc

Seems like Lebron is the one who didn’t think this through

  

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102. "if daryl morey wasn't uninformed on how his tweet would be received"
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then the only option is to fire him

unless the NBA is going to divorce its partners in China

if you think LeBron is wrong to say that Morey tweeted without full information on what would happen next -- everyone in the NBA had been informed on this -- then he intentionally and knowingly set fire to the league's connection with Tencent and much of the value of the team he works for.

is that what you think happened or do you agree with lebron?

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allStah
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103. "RE: if daryl morey wasn't uninformed on how his tweet would be received"
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Wed Oct-16-19 07:53 AM by allStah

          

They can’t fire him. He did nothing wrong, but express his freedom of expression in his own country, in his own home, on his own computer, on a platform that is owned
by an American country. There are no rules or regulations in the NBA’s policy that prevents a employee from freedom of expression. They would have to fire Enes Kanter as well, as Enes has stated. Enes has expressed his feelings towards the Turkish government many times over.

Morey tweeted about Hong Kong because he knows about the issues they are facing, and tweeted his support for their fight for freedom. Morey would sue the hell out of the NBA and win, and the NBA would face even further backlash. They have zero grounds to fire him...zero.

Plus Adam Silver delivered a global press conference backing Morey and its employees of freedom of expression.

Only way to remove him would be to pay him lucratively to resign, which I could see happening behind closed doors...but there would still be backlash.

NBA is fucked either way. They kicked this can for far too long. Stupid for even putting themselves in this position which was always a ticking time bomb. The more the situation in Hong Kong grew, someone was going to say something sooner or later....and no telling what would have happened during the Olympics since it is South Korea this year.and in Beijing in 2022 (Winter Olympics).

The shit really feels like Mr. Robot.

  

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104. "sue them for what? you talking out your ass"
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106. "RE: sue them for what? you talking out your ass"
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Im saying if Morey were to get fired, Morey would have grounds to sue the NBA. Would he not?

So I was responding what would they fire him for when there is no policy preventing freedom of expression.

  

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119. "this america, man. companies don't need a valid reason"
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unless you can show it was based on age/race/gender/etc

  

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120. "sue them for what? it's literally his job to not do the thing he did"
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107. "RJ killing cats in here"
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Can tell he’s actually dealt firsthand with China or has firsthand knowledge of it operates.

Every person I’ve spoken to off the record who has firsthand understanding of how China operates and has any skin in the game there has spoken on the irresponsibility of Morey’s tweet for potentially putting players at risk (esp after 2016 with a new extremely
hardline minister of defense) and into a situation they do not understand.

LeBron’s comments were very sloppy and he needed to be better prepared there, no doubt. At the same time, there’s a time and place for everything and Morey put a lot of people at risk unnecessarily. The last word is the key imo.

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110. "This is precisely the point, though:"
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>Every person I’ve spoken to off the record who has firsthand
>understanding of how China operates and has any skin in the
>game there has spoken on the irresponsibility of Morey’s
>tweet for potentially putting players at risk (esp after 2016
>with a new extremely
>hardline minister of defense) and into a situation they do not
>understand.

If a simple tweet by Morey could spark a situation where players are at risk - then the question must be posed: Why is the NBA even in China in the first place? If China can't respect our social customs and traditions of expression/protest then why should we bend and respect their customs of chilling free speech?

Also - with respect to "understanding the situation" - you can't use that if the logic behind your understanding is solely governed by your commercial interests therein. Actually - you *could* use that logic if your only interest is bottom-line profitability - but that's not the kind of social justice activism that we've grown accustomed to from LeBron and other NBA players.

Further, this popularized argument now that you're using "right-wing talking points" if you criticize China is absurd. Just because some right-wing lunatic gets one issue right doesn't mean we should automatically take the opposite position. It's like an argument I heard of somebody who was saying they didn't want to give any credence to anti-war/anti-interventionism in the middle east simply because they didn't want to use "Rand Paul talking points". I suppose we also shouldn't talk about the dangers of Climate Change because David Duke is worried about the polar bears? Can't be out here echoing David Duke on climate change!

To use an analogy, what if LeBron's reaction to Trayvon Martin's shooting was to call out another NBA player who spoke up and called it "uneducated" to comment on the shooting because they didn't know the whole story/all the details surrounding the shooting/"stand your ground", the evidence etc... (which is an argument plenty of people made) - would we be up in here defending that stance? Of course not - likely because we have a better understanding and grasp of the social conditions/situation at hand here in our country. But if you're going to do business and engage in relations with China - you *better* be informed on the social conditions on the ground before you call someone else uneducated.

With all the rah-rah and takes on this, I've seen very few (if any) in the sports reporting world actually talk about the substantive social issues at play in China which led to this conflict in the first place - and that's a disservice to justice and our understanding of the world outside of the U.S. bubble.

>LeBron’s comments were very sloppy and he needed to be
>better prepared there, no doubt. At the same time, there’s a
>time and place for everything and Morey put a lot of people at
>risk unnecessarily. The last word is the key imo.

LeBron has a point on the timing of the tweet - but that's about it.

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114. "Black people talking about police killing Black people domestically"
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is not the same as this.|
And it's truly offensive to try and make an analogy between the two.
Morey didn't know/care about the people on the ground in China who would be at risk behind his statement. He didn't think about them at all and how his statement could affect them.
If you got issue with why the league is doing business with china, thats an issues to take up with Silver, not LeBron.

  

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115. "Of course it's not the same, but I'd challenge this line of thinking:"
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>is not the same as this.|
>And it's truly offensive to try and make an analogy between
>the two.

How is it not offensive to the millions of Muslims in China in concentration camps as we speak to basically say, "we're just here to play ball and make billions -- y'all ain't us so we don't really know/care about your struggle."

One of the most powerful social justice moments in NBA history was LeBron spear-heading a movement to speak out against police brutality, which encouraged and influenced intersectional condemnation of police brutality. That's what we want, not just people speaking out against injustice when it only happens to them in their corner of the world.

>Morey didn't know/care about the people on the ground in China
>who would be at risk behind his statement. He didn't think
>about them at all and how his statement could affect them.

One could argue that he actually *did* care about the people on the ground: but not the Chinese government - rather - the people in Hong Kong protesting. Is that not valued?

>If you got issue with why the league is doing business with
>china, thats an issues to take up with Silver, not LeBron.

Fair enough - and I'm not piling on LeBron. I mean for real - there is no bigger Bron stan on the boards than I am - but I expected much more out of him after having 10 days to marinate on this. His statement was not well thought-out.


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127. "if morey cares about the HK protesters"
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then why did he delete the tweet

and why is he still working for the man who immediately rebuked him for it?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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131. "RE: if morey cares about the HK protesters"
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>then why did he delete the tweet
>
>and why is he still working for the man who immediately
>rebuked him for it?

That's an excellent question. One that I wish he would answer directly so we don't have to speculate. Since we can only speculate, I'd say he wilted to pressure from the top (namely Silver) to fall in line and refrain from further comment on the matter.

But my point isn't that Morey really cares about the HK protesters. He may - he may not. But discouraging people from even making a comment on controversial issues is rarely a good look.

That said, I do think there's something to be said for being intelligent and timely with how you express yourself. Morey was sloppy with his timing and likely just tweeted this off the cuff, but the substance of what he said was not something that should've been censored.

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147. "you're white people "freedom fetishing" , and putting that weight on Bro..."
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why would you "expect better of him" after 10 days?
What's "better"?
Criticizing a gov't that hasn't done anything diefferent for the past 30 years and you didn't give a shit about until like 2 months ago?

And no, Black people are not everyone's fucking moral avatars.

  

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151. "Basically"
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>And no, Black people are not everyone's fucking moral
>avatars.
It drives me insane how people are actually mad at NBA players for not doing enough freedom fighting globally...when an NBA player got beat down by the cops LAST season. Now they're supposed to be on the front lines across the world?! Really?!

That's like saying the NBA should be doing more for the Israel/Palestine conflict...on top of that where was everyone else BEFORE this China/Hong Kong shit with the NBA? Eerily silent

To blame the NBA (especially players) or place responsibility on them for not doing enough, or even calling them hypocritical when they stand up for DOMESTIC issues is beyond a joke. FOH

  

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153. "white american etitlement and cowardice, foreign policy remix"
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111. "RE: RJ killing cats in here"
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No disrespect.

But what are you talking about skin in the game and major investments?

Do you understand that there is a war going on between America and China right now? A war between democracy and communism, where the global market is at stake, where democracy is at stake for some? This could possibly lead to world war three. This is bigger than some type of shoe deal or selling brands. You’re dealing with the welfare and liberties of citizens. You are not separated from that. I’m not separated from that. Why? Because we are Americans.

You can fuck around get blacklisted with some stuff like this especially if it leads to war, and you are a player worrying about your business deals with the enemy. And China is the current enemy of the state. You really want to be the one backing the enemy and still trying to do business with the enemy?

Good lord. I guess money does make people aloof or Head stuck in the cloud. I watch American Greed all the time, and the FBI guys state that every time they take down white collard millionaires or billionaires there always in shock that they are being arrested or taken to prison. Thy are so wrapped up in greed and making tons of money
they are far removed from reality and the laws they are breaking.

They nba and players are so far removed from reality it’s disturbing...like this shit wasn’t going to be a problem or show it’s ugly head. To busy focused on money instead of what the hell is happening right in front of your face.

  

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112. "Let's not oversimplify: "
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>Do you understand that there is a war going on between America
>and China right now? A war between democracy and communism,
>where the global market is at stake, where democracy is at
>stake for some?

We aren't exactly the beacons of democracy that some like to euphemistically describe us as - and this isn't some old cold world duality of "democracy vs. red communism!" China leverages the open, global market via hyper capitalism while preserving a communist like control on the domestic front - and we have exported foreign policy that has actually rolled back democracy in many of the places we've intervened in - so it's not helpful to over-simplify this with 1960's red scare rhetoric.

Let's get specific: The issue here is China's subjugation of the people within its borders via concentration camps (millions of muslims are being rounded up and "re-engineered" in scenes that are reminiscent of Nazi Germany) - and there is legitimate, actual ethnic cleansing going on throughout China. And we haven't even gotten into what's going on with Hong Kong.




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116. "RE: Let's not oversimplify: "
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Wed Oct-16-19 01:11 PM by allStah

          

That’s exactly my point! Congress is currently working on a bill to support Hong Kong, to ensure that China respects the treaty of Hong Kong being a free state for 50 years. And China is talking about retaliation if the bill gets passed.

These things are not meant to be taken lightly on how we have been at war with China on several different topics and issues for decades.. This could possibly escalate into something military, especially if History has taught us anything.


And it’s not about America being a true carrier of freedom or democracy. It’s about what is currently at stake and what we are facing. It’s no different than our constant battles with Russia through the 80s and what that escalated to.

If this bill gets passed in the senate, and more than likely it will, then America could deploy troops to support and protect Hong Kong. That is not far fetched.

Big wars have always come out of people not thinking that things were going to escalate. This is no different, and this situation is no joke. Right now it’s simply a tariff and trade war...lets hope it stays that way and not escalate to something greater

  

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121. "most people have never had to think about these things before today"
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and I an't telling you that you can't protest china, or can't think someone else should.

but there is more than just one reason why someone would see the situation and say "nah not speaking on it"

and it should be obvious, when you look at all the people who are criticizing lebron and the nba....and notice how they haven't said shit about China either.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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109. "US Representatives have passed a bill to support Hong Kong"
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Boom!

However, the bill has to pass through the senate. Now China is talking about
Retaliation against United States if the bill is passed. Also, China now wants the December tariffs and well as current tariffs to be removed in order to move forward with
the phase 1 trade agreement.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2019/10/house-approves-hong-kong-bills-boost-protesters-191016005623109.html


Now lets see where lebron and the nba stand with the government clearly backing Hong Kong. Are they uneducated as well? Or are players going to continue to try to do business with a country and government that democratic countries and states are against?

Bottom line a treaty was signed between the UK and China that Hong Kong would be it’s own state or country for 50 years, with its own government and law. China is aggressively trying to take that away. That is a global issue, where democracy is being attacked, so that democracy must be protected.

  

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122. "see the false framing?"
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123. "RE: see the false framing?"
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I really like you. Seriously. One of the reasons I returned just to get that opposite side of conversation from people ( even if it can be slightly over the top).



Anyway, I can see what you're saying.

  

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124. "I think multiple things can be true"
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doing significant direct business puts the moral stain of stuff their government does on you (lebron, silver, whoever)

there is no realistic way to avoid doing business with china, and even the slight alternatives are also morally compromising.

it's the government's job to use foreign policy to make things around the world less genocidal. our government has no interest in doing that right now and a bunch of countries are walking around like "so who's going to check us?"

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129. "LeBron just clarified his stance today "
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and I thought he made a lot of sense when he
talked about not talking about issues that he
isn't completely in-the-know of. Clearly he
hasn't waded into social issues on the ground
in China - and understandably so. Perhaps he
shouldn't have commented at all. I think the issue
is with how he commented - referring to Morey's
tweet as "uneducated."

Some look at this as a moral issue, others an economic
issue. Others look at it as a human security issue -
and all of those views should be genuinely expressed
so that we have a marketplace of ideas to discuss when
it comes to these important issues.

One thing that has been clear: business as usual and
tailoring social commentary to cater commercial interests
doesn't age well in history. Ali wasn't celebrated because
he was measured, and thinking about who he may or may not offend
or what pockets might be damaged (particularly his) when he
spoke out against the war in Vietnam. He may not have been
an expert on foreign affairs, but he spoke with moral clarity
and knew/felt enough to call out the injustice at hand.

The day we start discouraging people (especially leaders in our society) from speaking out against injustice, we should all worry
about where we're trending.
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132. "he clarified his stance when asked about it, immediately after "
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the comments in a scrum that was for the reporters who'd been in China

that just wasn't as widely reported because this isn't about the facts anymore, and most of the people reporting don't know what is or isn't important

an LATimes reporter who was in china and at practice when he gave the comments talked about it on The Full 48 podcast.

https://twitter.com/HowardBeck/status/1184239804810190849

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133. "Exactly. He literally said it right after and how it was about the tweet"
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Not the HK-China situation

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134. "The NBA has incurred significant financial losses.. "
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According to Silver, the losses are so big they don't know where to go from here.

I know it's a hit, but in the long run it's for the best. We are talking about millionaires and billionaires. They are not going to be out on the street or homeless because of the loss.

I think this is a great opportunity to start focusing on countries and regions like New Zealand, Australia, Greece, South America, etc. We have great stars from those countries, like Steve Adams, Ben Simmons, Greek Freak who we can get behind like we got behind Yao to expand the game of the NBA.

It will allow the league to make billions, while being in line with countries who have similar foundations of liberties and equal rights.

Also, it will allow the NBA to make the necessary adjustments for the upcoming season, as well as for future seasons.


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27867216/nba-commissioner-adam-silver-says-financial-losses-china-substantial


Also, we have to commend Silver on his stance to not fire Morey, when he was being ordered to do so by the Chinese Government. At the end of the day, he made the right decision, and supported his fellow countrymen, employee, and peer.


"We made clear that we were being asked to fire him, by the Chinese government, by the parties we dealt with, government and business," Silver said. "We said there's no chance that's happening. There's no chance we'll even discipline him."

  

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135. "you can't just put phrases in a different order"
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and say you're still quoting it.

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136. "RE: you can't just put phrases in a different order"
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A quote is quote. The point is he said that he was asked to fire Morey by the Chinese Government, and he simply refused. It sounds to me that the Chinese are not going to get back in unless Morey is terminated, and that Silver does not know where to go from there.

  

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137. "he didn't say "I don't where to go from here.""
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he said "I don't know where we go from here."


specifically: ""Our games are not back on the air in China as we speak, and we'll see what happens next.

"I don't know where we go from here. The financial consequences have been and may continue to be fairly dramatic.""

these are different phrases that mean different things.

you gotta stop speculating on stuff that you aren't reading thoroughly

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138. "RE: he didn't say &quot;I don't where to go from here.&quot;"
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“We” includes him , and I was talking about the NBA not knowing where to go from there, and again him as well considering he is the commissioner. You know what that meant. Quit being thick and combative.

They don’t know how to patch or fix the situation and they are losing billions because of it. That is fact. Players have lost personal apparel and shoe deals, and the billion dollar NBA TV contract has been suspended. And they, he, we, and any other pronoun you want to use don’t know what to do about it.

  

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140. "ommfg"
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y'all tell yourselves you're experts.



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139. "^^^ for Darfur 07"
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Yeah, I missed this one

Skimming the article...a teammate wanted to bring attention to the genocide taking place

LeBron was 1 of 3 teammates to not endorse the stance

1 was on personal leave
another had a Chinese shoe endorsement
The other was Bron

Really looks shady as fuck that the NBA went further into the Chinese market

Having these atrocities being addressed by players on 2007

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=3398947

Peep these last graphs

"James came right into the room, sat down, and we quickly learned with his first answer that he wasn't going to shy away from the issue.

"I didn't sign the letter right then and there so now it's blown up," he said. "No one heard my side of the story, but automatically it's 'LeBron didn't sign the letter, he doesn't care.' But for me to try to create awareness of the situation that's going on in Darfur and other places, for me, in the position I am, I should speak on it and I am gonna speak on it."

James told us he spent time over the previous year educating himself about China. He realizes that his voice is powerful and he will be heard. He has yet to sign the letter but said he will continue to speak about the conflict as the Olympics draw closer. He said he hopes the NBA Olympians will band together with a plan on how to address the situation. He spoke eloquently for 15 minutes, and insisted he didn't care about endorsements or contracts or anything but doing what he felt was right.

"At the end of the day we're talking about human rights," he said. "And people should understand that human rights and people's lives are in jeopardy. We're not talking about contracts here. We're not talking about money. We're talking about people's lives being lost and that means a lot more to me than some money or a contract."

James basically refuted what everybody had written and said about him a year ago. Maybe it's because he was criticized, maybe not. Maybe he would have come to these conclusions without Newble's letter.

But maybe Newble accomplished, finally, what he had set out to do. He got LeBron's attention and his support, if not his signature. And in a few months, James will be playing on the world's biggest court in front of the world's biggest audience. It remains to be seen what, or if, James will say then, but the stage has been set.

And at the very least, James showed he's no Jordan … at least off the court."

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141. "...were y'all confused about the NBA?"
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it's a business run by billionaires.

they don't give a lot of a shit about atrocities here in the US, you think they're passing up hundreds of millions because someone else is bad?

y'all let me know which company this size is run by anyone who refuses to do business with/in china.

because they all play by the same rules.

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142. "Isn’t that how apartheid came to an end?"
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People started to boycott companies profiting off of the oppression

I’m interested in continuing the conversation

In the hopes people will become more educated on the topic

and maybe...just maybe (c)...realize that we can influence the situation

But these quotes and stories resurfacing are hilarisad

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146. "good luck w/ that"
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seriously, good luck with it.

I have some unfortunate news for you about the US economy and china

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150. "So the poster that has half the replies in this thread..."
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...is giving us the Kanye shrug, nothing to see here folks...

Could’ve saved a lot of keystrokes by starting with that

https://www.newsweek.com/300-people-appear-nba-nets-vs-raptors-game-protest-support-hong-kong-1466411

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152. "I wished you well with your protests against any company linked to china"
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how is that "nothing to see here"

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144. "RE: ^^^ for Darfur 07"
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FRAUDULENT.

Dude even said that he studied the situation on china, and that we should all stand up for human rights, and that it is more important than contracts or money.

But now it is not his place to talk about it, and he doesn't know the substance of it?

Now had he kept his mouth close and not said anything, I would have been cool with that, but for him to denounce Morey for doing the same thing that he was talking about back in 2007?

Now if your money is more important now, and your contracts are more important, than just say that....instead of being a hypocrite and a fool. And the pretend like this situation is brand new.

lol at "the internet still undefeated."

  

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145. "he literally didn't denounce morey for that."
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