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ShawndmeSlanted
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"CPFlea to H-town"


  

          

Sources: After Paul informed Clippers he'd sign w/ HOU in FA, teams agreed to deal sending Beverley, Decker, Williams and 2018 FRP for Paul.

Still a weird fit to me. As good as Cp3 is, Harden had his best season on the ball last year, and its shown he's at his best in that situation.


On the clipps side, i wonder if they ride with Blake and this squad or scrap it all.
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the fit thing is being overstated imo.
Jun 28th 2017
1
you have 2 guys will totally have to change their style of play...
Jun 28th 2017
6
i agree with the 1st part of what youre saying
Jun 28th 2017
9
      "inside presence" just doesn't mean offensively, there are other areas.....
Jun 28th 2017
17
           uhhhhhhhhhhhh
Jun 28th 2017
25
           So Capela is better than the DPOY?
Jun 28th 2017
32
                DPOY = an award for inside presence?
Jun 28th 2017
42
                     just stop
Jun 28th 2017
48
                          LMAO you didnt even know who capela was
Jun 28th 2017
58
                               I know who he is, he's not the same defensive presence as Draymond...
Jun 28th 2017
72
           def and reb? HAVE YOU EVER I MEAN EVER SEEN CAPELA PLAY?
Jun 28th 2017
67
                capela, right today:
Dec 08th 2017
168
                lmao, can't believe i missed this one
May 09th 2018
180
Right, it's a lazy trope
Jun 28th 2017
28
      disagree
Jun 28th 2017
40
           And both have tired out in the playoffs
Jun 28th 2017
46
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Jun 28th 2017
2
not that I believed we had a shot but...GOTDAMNIT
Jun 28th 2017
3
Hoping the Wolves can still somehow get Beverly
Jun 28th 2017
4
it's lit!
Jun 28th 2017
5
I feel like every Spurs/Rockets game next year needs to be
Jun 28th 2017
7
awwwwww ......that mean King James comin babyyyyyy!!!
Jun 28th 2017
8
How? lol
Jun 28th 2017
18
      HOW-EVER NIGGA...WE IN PLAY...CRY
Jun 28th 2017
69
"Scrap it all" seems a heavy gamble for the Clipps
Jun 28th 2017
10
he was leaving anyway they had to do a sign and trade to get...
Jun 28th 2017
19
Could be an assertion by Ballmer
Jun 28th 2017
63
Don't matter. Their window is closed.
Jun 28th 2017
66
RE: "Scrap it all" seems a heavy gamble for the Clipps
Jun 28th 2017
85
Doesn't get them any closer to the Warriors
Jun 28th 2017
11
There's no move anyone could make that will make a team
Jun 28th 2017
15
      I would say almost anything would be better than this
Jun 28th 2017
20
Hi, Blake...welcome to OKC
Jun 28th 2017
12
you would think, I wonder how DJ feels in all this, they locked him...
Jun 28th 2017
23
lulz...right.
Jun 28th 2017
30
He probably happy he'll finally get his touches.
Jun 28th 2017
59
A one-person banana boat is a lonely place to be
Jun 28th 2017
77
Moral of the story
Jun 28th 2017
98
      Your response and your sig synced up nicely there
Jun 28th 2017
107
Harden and CP3 is gonna be all kinds of weird. Not sure how that works.
Jun 28th 2017
13
yup. talent over fit all day.
Jun 28th 2017
16
This isn't that lol...
Jun 28th 2017
27
      you're actually right, but not for the reason you think...
Jun 28th 2017
145
           both Bron and Wade were still in their primes and great defensive...
Jun 28th 2017
146
                what are you talking about, dude?
Jun 28th 2017
147
                     I'm talking about real basketball as opposed to 2K...
Jun 28th 2017
149
Harden was clamoring for it, so I guess it'll be ok
Jun 28th 2017
29
they overthinking it, dogg.
Jun 28th 2017
34
      RE: they overthinking it, dogg.
Jun 28th 2017
39
      paul's a better defender than beverley too.
Jun 28th 2017
45
           okayplayer.
Jun 28th 2017
50
                RE: okayplayer.
Jun 28th 2017
100
                     post #78
Jun 28th 2017
102
      Remember when GS's lack of depth would preclude them from a ring?
Jun 28th 2017
49
           same shitty 'analysis' and remicrowaved takes, year in and year out.
Jun 28th 2017
62
           Right, a team built like the Warriors could never win a championship
Jun 28th 2017
95
           But was that "lack of depth" talk ever a serious thing for the Dubs?
Jun 28th 2017
104
                Do a quick OKS search for "trash ass bench"
Jun 28th 2017
114
It works bc both can play PnR and spot-up shoot
Jun 28th 2017
144
so Steph just gonna rinse CP3 but he'll be wearing "Rockets" instead.
Jun 28th 2017
14
Wanted the Spurs to get him... dammit.
Jun 28th 2017
21
CP3 probably wanted a sign and trade so he could re-up for the...
Jun 28th 2017
31
Me too
Jun 28th 2017
135
LOL!..
Jun 28th 2017
22
Still not making a conference finals.
Jun 28th 2017
24
Please make DeAndre to the Bucks possible
Jun 28th 2017
26
They'll fit together fine, ppl are overreacting
Jun 28th 2017
33
here's your 3rd lol
Jun 28th 2017
36
      RE: here's your 3rd lol
Jun 28th 2017
41
      RE: If I wanted to get a buyout to go to Cleveland
Jun 28th 2017
74
      That'd be interesting but IMO he'd be better off in CLE
Jun 28th 2017
43
Hope dude can stay healthy.
Jun 28th 2017
35
Lmao @ all the salty haters. MOREY DA GOD
Jun 28th 2017
37
wait...what?
Jun 28th 2017
44
Lmao at CP3 being a defensive downgrade
Jun 28th 2017
57
P-Bev made all-defense on merit, CP3 is making on rep at this point...
Jun 28th 2017
78
RE: wait...what?
Jun 28th 2017
103
Morey makes this move 100/100 times but
Jun 28th 2017
52
Define "work"
Jun 28th 2017
54
      so repeat what they did last year?
Jun 28th 2017
55
           LOL right
Jun 28th 2017
56
           You think they were doing that again without Paul?
Jun 28th 2017
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                I do.
Jun 28th 2017
70
                I still don't think this moves them past the Spurs.
Jun 28th 2017
79
Hyperbolic, but accurate.
Jun 28th 2017
71
Both are great play-makers and spot-up shooters
Jun 28th 2017
38
not enough
Jun 28th 2017
47
Nope
Jun 28th 2017
51
Nope
Jun 28th 2017
53
I can't see how Banana Boat team ever comes together now
Jun 28th 2017
60
Two ain't never gonna win shit losers on the same team. Huzzah.
Jun 28th 2017
64
^^^Gets in this line.
Jun 28th 2017
68
ultimately this.
Jun 28th 2017
80
yep
Jun 28th 2017
83
LOL yup
Jun 28th 2017
99
I'll surf the hate wave. Let's friggin go, Rockets
Jun 28th 2017
65
they bout to get PG too btw. morey is a warlock.
Jun 28th 2017
73
Lulz. How?
Jun 28th 2017
75
sorcery.
Jun 28th 2017
76
let's hope so.
Jun 28th 2017
90
cool. still aint beating GSW.
Jun 28th 2017
94
who gives AF tho? nobody's beating the dubs for the next few years.
Jun 28th 2017
152
Of course he is going after PG - he should be
Jun 28th 2017
118
Is Chris still considered a top point guard in the league?
Jun 28th 2017
81
lulz!!!
Jun 28th 2017
82
barely
Jun 28th 2017
84
reading the post above it, then this one, says so much
Jun 28th 2017
142
Well, Deron Williams isn't, and DERON BETTER, so . . .
Jun 28th 2017
87
^^^logical accuracy^^^
Jun 28th 2017
88
Everything about this reply exhibits the absolute best of OKS.
Jun 28th 2017
106
Finals Deron was turrible
Jun 28th 2017
108
      so was Finals CP3....oh....wait....hmmmmm.
Jun 28th 2017
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      lol
Jun 28th 2017
122
      this guy is a back up..AT BEST...
Jun 28th 2017
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yes....he's as good as he ever was
Jun 28th 2017
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This past season? Sure. But he's right on the edge of a potential...
Jun 28th 2017
105
      Pretty much how I see it.
Jun 28th 2017
109
      It's win-now and also trying to extend his career
Jun 28th 2017
127
word is this is pt 1 of logo's consultation
Jun 28th 2017
86
now that this has happened...
Jun 28th 2017
89
has anybody seen anything about CP3's contract details?
Jun 28th 2017
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one year opt-in @ $24.2, UFA in '18.
Jun 28th 2017
93
interesting, big gamble on his part at this point in his career...
Jun 28th 2017
101
like this:
Jun 28th 2017
97
Holy....
Jun 28th 2017
96
I feel like tail-end of his prime CP and Harden will be a horrible...
Jun 28th 2017
110
Anybody willing to say they make it out the 2nd Round this year?
Jun 28th 2017
111
They're, probably, at worst the 3rd seed in the West
Jun 28th 2017
113
Don't count OKC out just yet
Jun 28th 2017
116
      I mean, what are they going to do?
Jun 28th 2017
117
           OKC is one of the younger teams in the league, they could just get...
Jun 28th 2017
128
nope!
Jun 28th 2017
115
Milsap comin....PG comin...erybody comin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
Jun 28th 2017
120
Doc + Austin fault (swipe)
Jun 28th 2017
121
family first.
Jun 28th 2017
123
Lmao!.. Oh boy.
Jun 28th 2017
125
lulz
Jun 28th 2017
126
fake news lol, if true that Doc turned that deal he needs to be fired
Jun 28th 2017
129
^^^ ThaTrump
Jun 28th 2017
132
Doc Good Dad Rivers out here fuckin up
Jun 28th 2017
131
Maybe Doc gets upset when his PG can't get him out of the 2nd round
Jun 28th 2017
136
2nd round? Hmmm
Jun 28th 2017
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      SAME 'TENSITY!
Jun 28th 2017
138
      Valid. Same with John too. He's not at the tail end though. Or "Da Point...
Jun 28th 2017
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           john gets tired like he's at the tail end though.
Jun 28th 2017
143
           And the Knicks have been tired since 1st quarter of Game 1.
Jun 28th 2017
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                were they tired when you were a knicks fan?
Jun 28th 2017
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                     In 1989? Yeah from what I remember, but I was also 10...
Jun 29th 2017
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                          of course you could.
Jun 29th 2017
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                               lol
Jun 29th 2017
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                               yeah, he got that off.
Jun 29th 2017
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                               Nope I turned 11. And recognized a sinking ship.
Jun 29th 2017
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                                    good grief, you're actually bragging about being a front-runner?
Jun 30th 2017
165
           I don't personally blame either of them, for the most part
Jun 29th 2017
160
Lame. Michael Eaves is trying to make a name at ESPN
Jun 29th 2017
156
didn't CP3 "clash" with Byron Scott too? I'm seeing a pattern...
Jun 29th 2017
163
how paul and harden will fit together (swipe)
Jun 28th 2017
124
yeah we'll see lol
Jun 28th 2017
130
remember when Analytics(tm) hated the midrange shot?
Jun 28th 2017
133
should have gone to San Antonio
Jun 28th 2017
134
*eyes up Survivor Draft Lottery*
Jun 28th 2017
139
Let me see which posters agree and disagree with the move.
Jun 28th 2017
140
interesting...
May 10th 2019
184
I was right on the money about the Loser Twins in #64
May 10th 2019
185
CP wanted to play with The Great Trevor "Better than Rudy" Ariza
Jun 28th 2017
148
more on the fit (nba.com swipe)
Jun 28th 2017
151
I don't care about this move, it'll just allow Houston to run in place
Jun 29th 2017
155
actually by opting in for his final year he gave up money, I doubt if...
Jun 29th 2017
158
This is not going to work. Harden is gonna drive CP3 crazy
Jun 29th 2017
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Right.. CP3 is notorious for being a hard ass with other teammates
Jun 30th 2017
166
      Yep, it definitely will be interesting lol...
Jun 30th 2017
167
since his return: 13-0 with the #1 offense and #3 defense
Dec 17th 2017
169
the wrongness in the whole thread is HIGH COMEDY!
Dec 18th 2017
170
Would they have been better or worse with Carmelo?
Dec 18th 2017
171
Hard to know, though probably worse since Anderson
Dec 18th 2017
172
nice.
Dec 18th 2017
175
yeah i've had that convo a couple times.
Dec 18th 2017
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      right...he didn't fit under d'antoni b4, not sure why they thought he wo...
Dec 18th 2017
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:-)
May 08th 2018
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lmao. wow.
May 09th 2018
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damn the Ultimate Worriers showed out in this poast.
May 09th 2018
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Come again?
May 11th 2019
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LMAO niggas in here sayin CP3 and Harden wont work..yaddaa yadda
May 09th 2018
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He’s a free agent does he get a max deal?
May 28th 2018
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RE: He’s a free agent does he get a max deal?
May 28th 2018
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Can't count on him in the playoffs
May 30th 2018
183
The Houston Rockets Are Reportedly Willing to Trade Chris Paul
May 29th 2019
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$38M, $41M and $44M through 2022
May 29th 2019
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would Charlotte take him to replace Kemba?
May 29th 2019
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      may as well. they need to tank out the next 3-5 years
May 30th 2019
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Watch him end up on the Lakers lol
May 30th 2019
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      absolutely zero chance.
May 30th 2019
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      Zero? Let's hope.
May 30th 2019
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      Banana Boat Crew!
May 30th 2019
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      I can see this happening.
May 30th 2019
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      8 years later, lol, I hope not
May 30th 2019
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      I mean, same...but have you seen SMART management happening?
May 30th 2019
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           I;m having bad memories of the Steve Nash acquisition
May 30th 2019
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      Honestly, how would that work?
May 30th 2019
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           right, hopefully it won't lol...
May 30th 2019
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           it doesnt
May 30th 2019
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           Can't the Lakers absorb a ton of contract?
May 30th 2019
202

dula dibiasi
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1. "the fit thing is being overstated imo."
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every great team i've ever seen has had multiple playmakers. and they're both great off the ball. they'll be fine.

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6. "you have 2 guys will totally have to change their style of play..."
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of play.

And assuming they max CP3 out, will there be any money to had anybody else. I still feel like this team needs a reliable inside presence.

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9. "i agree with the 1st part of what youre saying"
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>of play.
>
>And assuming they max CP3 out, will there be any money to had
>anybody else. I still feel like this team needs a reliable
>inside presence.


But do you not watch modern NBA? Reliable inside presence? Like the Cavs and the Warriors had? Like the Spurs or even the Celtics had?

Capela was arguably a better "inside presence" in the traditional sense than any of those conf finals team had

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17. ""inside presence" just doesn't mean offensively, there are other areas....."
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of the game such as defense and rebounding that are equally important to winning basketball games.


>But do you not watch modern NBA? Reliable inside presence?
>Like the Cavs and the Warriors had? Like the Spurs or even the
>Celtics had?
>
>Capela was arguably a better "inside presence" in the
>traditional sense than any of those conf finals team had
>

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25. "uhhhhhhhhhhhh"
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>>
>>Capela was arguably a better "inside presence" in the
>>traditional sense than any of those conf finals team had
>>
>

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32. "So Capela is better than the DPOY?"
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>
>>>
>>>Capela was arguably a better "inside presence" in the
>>>traditional sense than any of those conf finals team had
>>>
>>
>

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42. "DPOY = an award for inside presence?"
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48. "just stop"
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58. "LMAO you didnt even know who capela was"
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72. "I know who he is, he's not the same defensive presence as Draymond..."
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and its not really up for debate, what part of that are you not getting?

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67. "def and reb? HAVE YOU EVER I MEAN EVER SEEN CAPELA PLAY?"
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RE: "inside presence" just doesn't mean offensively, there are other areas...

>of the game such as defense and rebounding that are equally
>important to winning basketball games.
>
>
>>But do you not watch modern NBA? Reliable inside presence?
>>Like the Cavs and the Warriors had? Like the Spurs or even
>the
>>Celtics had?
>>
>>Capela was arguably a better "inside presence" in the
>>traditional sense than any of those conf finals team had
>>
>

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168. "capela, right today:"
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Rebounds Per Game
2017-18 NBA 11.2 (6th)

Blocks Per Game
2017-18 NBA 1.7 (5th)

Offensive Rebound Pct
2017-18 NBA 15.0 (6th)

Defensive Rebound Pct
2017-18 NBA 34.4 (2nd)

Total Rebound Pct
2017-18 NBA 24.9 (2nd)

Block Pct
2017-18 NBA 5.8 (5th)

Defensive Win Shares
2017-18 NBA 1.3 (10th)

Defensive Box Plus/Minus
2017-18 NBA 4.0 (3rd)

Defensive Rating
2017-18 NBA 97.2 (1st)

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180. "lmao, can't believe i missed this one"
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28. "Right, it's a lazy trope "
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Remember when Harden was a ball stopper and wouldn't work in D'antoni's offense?

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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

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40. "disagree"
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Its just as lazy a trope to assume adding more stars always works. Thats like what my hs students used to always get hype about--big star movement. OHHH MAN CARMELO A KNICK SON, AMARE and MELO, SON!



>Remember when Harden was a ball stopper and wouldn't work in
>D'antoni's offense?


I never said the above. (I know youre not saying I did)
But weve often talked about how important fit is for teams and player dev. (this also isnt that)

Im not saying that this combo will suck. Of course its an upgrade over Beverley offensively. There's no doubt about that --- but end of the day both of these guys are at their best facilitating the offense with the ball a lot and a high usage rate.

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46. "And both have tired out in the playoffs "
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Harden last year and CP3 seemingly every year. Even if each guy is at their best as the primary play-maker, each is also very proficient as a spot-up shooter which allows both to not be as fatigued.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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2. "Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me."
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>Sources: After Paul informed Clippers he'd sign w/ HOU in FA,
>teams agreed to deal sending Beverley, Decker, Williams and
>2018 FRP for Paul.
>
>Still a weird fit to me. As good as Cp3 is, Harden had his
>best season on the ball last year, and its shown he's at his
>best in that situation.
>
>
>On the clipps side, i wonder if they ride with Blake and this
>squad or scrap it all.
>.

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3. "not that I believed we had a shot but...GOTDAMNIT"
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4. "Hoping the Wolves can still somehow get Beverly"
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And Blake's got to be gone now, right? No reason for the Clips not to blow it up and start over.

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5. "it's lit!"
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7. "I feel like every Spurs/Rockets game next year needs to be"
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nationally televised. Like, on multiple channels.

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8. "awwwwww ......that mean King James comin babyyyyyy!!!"
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18. "How? lol"
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69. "HOW-EVER NIGGA...WE IN PLAY...CRY"
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10. ""Scrap it all" seems a heavy gamble for the Clipps"
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They don't even have a decade of relevance under their belt; do they really have the rope to totally rebuild?

  

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19. "he was leaving anyway they had to do a sign and trade to get..."
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something in return plus I assume he's getting his max contract out of the deal

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63. "Could be an assertion by Ballmer"
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to show that he wants long-term, sustained success. Not just being happy with cracking the 4th seed twice a decade like the past 10-12 years.

edit - the presumption being that the current (as of prior to the trade) Clipper team has its best days behind it.

>They don't even have a decade of relevance under their belt;
>do they really have the rope to totally rebuild?


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66. "Don't matter. Their window is closed. "
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>They don't even have a decade of relevance under their belt;
>do they really have the rope to totally rebuild?

  

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85. "RE: "Scrap it all" seems a heavy gamble for the Clipps"
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Jerry West got plenty of rope...if it was still Doc alone -prob not.
Then again, Doc would prob run the same team back and not get over the hump again.

  

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11. "Doesn't get them any closer to the Warriors"
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15. "There's no move anyone could make that will make a team"
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better than GSW.

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20. "I would say almost anything would be better than this"
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12. "Hi, Blake...welcome to OKC"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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23. "you would think, I wonder how DJ feels in all this, they locked him..."
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in a hotel room to keep him from signing with Dallas now they're both probably gone lol

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30. "lulz...right. "
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59. "He probably happy he'll finally get his touches."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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77. "A one-person banana boat is a lonely place to be"
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98. "Moral of the story"
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Make your own decisions!!!

  

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107. "Your response and your sig synced up nicely there"
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13. "Harden and CP3 is gonna be all kinds of weird. Not sure how that works."
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but Houston got him and gave up very little, so good deal for them.

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16. "yup. talent over fit all day."
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i remember when "lebron and wade couldn't play together" ©

you get the talent first, and figure out the fit later.

great players figure out how to play together.

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27. "This isn't that lol..."
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>i remember when "lebron and wade couldn't play together" ©

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145. "you're actually right, but not for the reason you think..."
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paul and harden will actually have an EASIER time learning to play together than lebron and wade (which took an entire season) for 2 reasons:

1) they're both great off the ball...

"Over the past four years, Harden shot 39.5 percent on 886 catch-and-shoot 3-pointers, while Paul shot 43.9 percent on 330 attempts, per SportVU."

https://theringer.com/chris-paul-james-harden-fit-houston-rockets-a13a944b7b6b

...while neither bron nor wade were great outside shooters.

2) they both already have extensive experience at playing a secondary scoring role, paul to blake and harden to KD/russ, whereas bron and wade were both accustomed to being #1 options and needed to learn how to defer.

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146. "both Bron and Wade were still in their primes and great defensive..."
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players and how Spoelstra built his defense around those guys were key to Miami's success. Despite still getting 1st team all-D nods CP3 hasn't been an elite defender for at least the last 2 years and Harden never was.

>paul and harden will actually have an EASIER time learning to
>play together than lebron and wade (which took an entire
>season) for 2 reasons:
>
>1) they're both great off the ball...
>
>"Over the past four years, Harden shot 39.5 percent on 886
>catch-and-shoot 3-pointers, while Paul shot 43.9 percent on
>330 attempts, per SportVU."
>
>https://theringer.com/chris-paul-james-harden-fit-houston-rockets-a13a944b7b6b
>
>...while neither bron nor wade were great outside shooters.
>
>2) they both already have extensive experience at playing a
>secondary scoring role, paul to blake and harden to KD/russ,
>whereas bron and wade were both accustomed to being #1 options
>and needed to learn how to defer.

Harden playing behind KD & Russ was a lifetime ago, he's a different player now.

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147. "what are you talking about, dude? "
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nobody talking about paul and harden having "fit" issues is referring to their damn defense. lolz.

i'm saying that OFFENSIVELY they'll have an easier time learning to play together than lebron and wade did. agree or no?

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149. "I'm talking about real basketball as opposed to 2K..."
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what's going to happen the first time CP3 screams on Harden for not playing D? All that other shit you're talking about will be out the the window.

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29. "Harden was clamoring for it, so I guess it'll be ok"
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34. "they overthinking it, dogg. "
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upgrading from beverley to paul is an impeachable win. period, full stop. fuck a fit.

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39. "RE: they overthinking it, dogg. "
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>upgrading from beverley to paul is an impeachable win.
>period, full stop. fuck a fit.

you have to play both ends of the floor, and CP3 will not defend like Beverly.

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45. "paul's a better defender than beverley too."
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(save your keystrokes, i know you don't agree)

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50. "okayplayer."
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>(save your keystrokes, i know you don't agree)

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100. "RE: okayplayer."
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Actually...he is....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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102. "post #78"
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>
>
>Actually...he is....

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49. "Remember when GS's lack of depth would preclude them from a ring?"
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Lol

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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

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62. "same shitty 'analysis' and remicrowaved takes, year in and year out."
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you'd think some of these cats would know better by now.

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95. "Right, a team built like the Warriors could never win a championship"
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Until they did.

Sitting on your ass because "well, this doesn't immediately make our team immediately the favorites to beat GSW in the playoffs" is dumb as hell.

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104. "But was that "lack of depth" talk ever a serious thing for the Dubs?"
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Like, did anyone respectable out there ever really think the Warriors lacked depth this year or was that all hot take horseshit from the Peanut Gallery?

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114. "Do a quick OKS search for "trash ass bench""
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144. "It works bc both can play PnR and spot-up shoot"
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We know what both can do in the PnR but both are also over 40% on spot-up 3's according to synergy. This move allows them to stagger the play-maker role which limits the fatigue on each while not sacrificing spacing.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

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14. "so Steph just gonna rinse CP3 but he'll be wearing "Rockets" instead."
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big whoop.

  

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21. "Wanted the Spurs to get him... dammit."
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31. "CP3 probably wanted a sign and trade so he could re-up for the..."
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supermax and Spurs probably weren't going for that lol

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135. "Me too"
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Why play with Harden when you could play with Kawhi?
I don't get that at all

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22. "LOL!.."
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..this was plan b?

cp3's people were pushing to get him to cleveland, but that shit was never gonna happen (too many moving parts).

if melo ends up in houston, this would be pure comedy.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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24. "Still not making a conference finals. "
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26. "Please make DeAndre to the Bucks possible"
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33. "They'll fit together fine, ppl are overreacting "
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Every great team has at least 2 ball dominate players.

They still need a 3rd star to compete, I'm sure Morey is on it

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36. "here's your 3rd lol"
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Stephen A. Smith reporting that if Carmelo Anthony receives a buyout from the NY Knicks, he'll head to Houston to join Harden and CP3.

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41. "RE: here's your 3rd lol"
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>Stephen A. Smith reporting that if Carmelo Anthony receives a
>buyout from the NY Knicks, he'll head to Houston to join
>Harden and CP3.


Huh? Now I'm confused; didn't Dolan reject the buy-out option for Carmelo Anthony a few days ago?

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74. "RE: If I wanted to get a buyout to go to Cleveland"
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I'd tell people I wanted to go to Houston too.

  

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43. "That'd be interesting but IMO he'd be better off in CLE"
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Not to say he wouldn't do well in Houston but as far as ring potential he'd be better there

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35. "Hope dude can stay healthy."
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Should be interesting to see his style mesh with recent coach of the year and a rejuvenated Mike D'Antoni. I have to think Houston isn't done yet though. Have to wonder how the other western conference teams will respond to this move.

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37. "Lmao @ all the salty haters. MOREY DA GOD"
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this is a home run, a plus move. Yes, it gets them closer to the warriors. Yes, they're the favorites for the other conference finals spot. Yes, it put Bron to HTown in play, especially since CP3rdOption is a free agent next season who can take less.

No, they're still not beating the warriors and Bron is a long shot, but it's amazing. They just added one of the five best point guards ever for pat Beverly and pocket lint.

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44. "wait...what?"
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>this is a home run, a plus move. Yes, it gets them closer to
>the warriors. Yes, they're the favorites for the other
>conference finals spot. Yes, it put Bron to HTown in play,
>especially since CP3rdOption is a free agent next season who
>can take less.
>
>No, they're still not beating the warriors and Bron is a long
>shot, but it's amazing. They just added one of the five best
>point guards ever for pat Beverly and pocket lint.

- The Rockets just got worse defensive, they're still behind the Warriors and Spurs at least...

- I'm pretty sure CP3 is re-upping for 5 years/$200mil

- he's 32 years old

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57. "Lmao at CP3 being a defensive downgrade "
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And obviously they're pushing in to win as much as possible in the next 2-3 years. At the very least, they're 1 or 2 ancillary moves away from being the warriors main challenger.

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78. "P-Bev made all-defense on merit, CP3 is making on rep at this point..."
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in his career. We all know once star players make something like All-Defense a few times they're on there for life regardless of if they actually deserve it.

>And obviously they're pushing in to win as much as possible
>in the next 2-3 years.

and lmao@this:

>At the very least, they're 1 or 2
>ancillary moves away from being the warriors main challenger.
>

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103. "RE: wait...what?"
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>- The Rockets just got worse defensive...


Man...lol...Why do u keep saying this shit???

It's not true...At all....

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52. "Morey makes this move 100/100 times but "
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That doesn't mean it'll work.

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54. "Define "work""
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Win 55-60 games and get a top three seed? Because that's a done deal

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55. "so repeat what they did last year?"
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>Win 55-60 games and get a top three seed? Because that's a
>done deal

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56. "LOL right"
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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

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61. "You think they were doing that again without Paul?"
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I don't. And their offense is going to be much more diversified for the playoffs. Even without any other moves, they're the obvious second best team in the conference RIGHT TODAY

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70. "I do. "
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D'Antoni is a regular season wizard. I have no doubt he was gonna win 55 with that team cause they are built perfectly for him.

The biggest benefit to this is now Harden won't be spent by the time the playoffs roll around but I dunno.

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79. "I still don't think this moves them past the Spurs."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

  

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71. "Hyperbolic, but accurate. "
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Not enough, but yeah, they had to do this.

  

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38. "Both are great play-makers and spot-up shooters "
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Harden has already shown the ability to adapt under D'Antoni and I think both (especially CP3) have realized that they need someone else to split the play-making load...Harden was cooked by the end of season and CP3 has looked cooked for the last 4 years once the 2nd round came along.

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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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47. "not enough"
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____________________________________________________


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51. "Nope"
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Even getting a "3rd star" unless it's Bron won't be enough.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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53. "Nope "
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60. "I can't see how Banana Boat team ever comes together now"
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At least not in full.

CP opted in so he can max next year with Houston I'd assume, and he will outside of a disaster happening.

CLE might scoop Melo and Wade if they get buyouts, or maybe they go to Houston.

But I don't see all 4 coming together right now, even tho all could be FA's next year.

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64. "Two ain't never gonna win shit losers on the same team. Huzzah."
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If nothing else, with the Clippers about to become irrelevant yet again, it allows me to focus my contempt on Rockets, rather than spreading it out over the Rockets and the Clippers.

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68. "^^^Gets in this line."
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still not enough for the God State Warriors

  

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80. "ultimately this."
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but im going to enjoy the CP3 & Harden experience in the regular season at least.

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83. "yep"
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99. "LOL yup"
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65. "I'll surf the hate wave. Let's friggin go, Rockets"
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73. "they bout to get PG too btw. morey is a warlock."
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75. "Lulz. How? "
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76. "sorcery."
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/880097687793672192
https://twitter.com/ProCityHoops/status/880102589098012673

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90. "let's hope so. "
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94. "cool. still aint beating GSW."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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152. "who gives AF tho? nobody's beating the dubs for the next few years."
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in the meantime, this team will be fun as hell to watch. and should durant twist a knee or curry tweak an ankle, rox will be in as good a position as any team in the league to capitalize and make a run.

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118. "Of course he is going after PG - he should be "
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You have a star on the market and a win-now team. However, the fact that he gave up some good assets in a sign and trade for CP3 (rather than just waiting until FA and not giving up anything) tells me that CP3's bird rights were priority 1 and Morey doesn't have much confidence in a deal happening. The only real asset he has left is Capela and dude plays the same position as one of the best modern 5's in the game, Turner.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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L D E A

  

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81. "Is Chris still considered a top point guard in the league?"
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Just asking

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82. "lulz!!!"
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01.html

2016-17 NBA

Assists Per Game 9.2 (4th)
Steals Per Game 2.0 (3rd)
Offensive Rating 126.0 (5th)
Player Efficiency Rating 26.2 (9th)
Win Shares Per 48 Minutes .264 (2nd)
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84. "barely"
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142. "reading the post above it, then this one, says so much"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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87. "Well, Deron Williams isn't, and DERON BETTER, so . . . "
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88. "^^^logical accuracy^^^"
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106. "Everything about this reply exhibits the absolute best of OKS. "
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108. "Finals Deron was turrible "
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112. "so was Finals CP3....oh....wait....hmmmmm."
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122. "lol"
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119. "this guy is a back up..AT BEST... "
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92. "yes....he's as good as he ever was"
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105. "This past season? Sure. But he's right on the edge of a potential..."
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....downslope for his career. Things could take a sharp turn for the worse in the next couple of seasons. Which is why it makes sense that he's in "Win Now" mode.

He still isn't going to win though.

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109. "Pretty much how I see it."
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>....downslope for his career. Things could take a sharp turn
>for the worse in the next couple of seasons. Which is why it
>makes sense that he's in "Win Now" mode.
>
>He still isn't going to win though.

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127. "It's win-now and also trying to extend his career "
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Harden gives him a player who he can share play-making duties with and thus reduce CP3's fatigue and wear. Based on the fact that Morey dealt for him rather than wait tells me that bird rights are very important to CP3 (aka he wants a 5 year deal).

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86. "word is this is pt 1 of logo's consultation"
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supposedly he isn't a fam of re-running the same group

gonna be interesting to see what the Clippers look like w/o Paul (*cringe)

so much for the attempted shift to this being a Clippers town

likewise this isn't goign to help team morale with the proposed move to Inglewood

  

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89. "now that this has happened..."
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maybe they can be the ones to get Lord NyQuil. then the jokey-jokes end.

  

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91. "has anybody seen anything about CP3's contract details?"
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________________________________________
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93. "one year opt-in @ $24.2, UFA in '18."
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i'm guessing he resigns for less than the supermax (shout out to no state income tax)

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101. "interesting, big gamble on his part at this point in his career..."
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I could still see him returning to NO to play with AD after the Boogie experiment is over with...

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97. "like this:"
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http://hoopshype.com/player/chris-paul/salary/

  

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96. "Holy...."
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....Shit.....!

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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110. "I feel like tail-end of his prime CP and Harden will be a horrible..."
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backcourt defensively even if they can mesh offensively.

I don't see them being better than the Spurs...

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111. "Anybody willing to say they make it out the 2nd Round this year?"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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113. "They're, probably, at worst the 3rd seed in the West"
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Obviously not better than the Warriors.

The Spurs won't look the same next season - Manu/Tony may be done, etc - so tough to say there.

The rest of the West are total question marks. If Hayward leaves Utah, then they're not a playoff team. TBD what the Clippers do, but they won't be as good as Houston. Memphis, OKC, Portland...nope.

The Pelicans are probably, at best, a 4-5 seed.

So I mean...it's possible but I'm not betting on it, no.

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116. "Don't count OKC out just yet"
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117. "I mean, what are they going to do?"
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Blake seemed like a good fit but they have no money. They're paying Kanter, Adams, and Oladipo a combined $60 mil next year.

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128. "OKC is one of the younger teams in the league, they could just get..."
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better.

And when they play the Rockets who's going to guard Russ?

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115. "nope!"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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120. "Milsap comin....PG comin...erybody comin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..."
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WHO MADDDDDDDDDDDDDDD?????????????????????

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121. "Doc + Austin fault (swipe)"
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Chris Paul Lost Faith In Doc Rivers Due To How He Favored Austin Rivers Over Team

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Michael Eaves
51 mins ·

Here's some information on the Chris Paul trade. First the MICRO:

Paul's relationship with Doc Rivers started to deteriorate rapidly after the Clippers acquired Austin Rivers. Several members of the team felt Austin acted entitled because his dad was both the coach and the President of Basketball Operations. In the view of the tenured players, Austin Rivers never tried to fit in, and when players tried to address the situation with him, he still did not respond the way the core of the team wanted him to. It led to resentment within the locker room, which often played out during games. One of Paul's biggest contentions with Doc was that Paul, and other players, felt Doc treated Austin more favorably than other players. He would yell at guys for certain things during games and practices, but not get on Austin in the same manner for similar transgressions.

But what really solidified Paul's dissatisfaction with Doc was a proposed trade involving Carmelo Anthony last season. New York offered Carmelo and Sasha Vujacic to the Clippers in exchange for Jamal Crawford, Paul Pierce and Austin Rivers, a deal to which Rivers ultimately said no. That event led Paul to feel that keeping his son on the roster was more important to Doc than improving the team. So, ultimately, Paul lost both trust and faith in Doc. As one league executive put it, "Chris despises Doc."

(I was also told that when Paul met with the team to inform them of his plans, Jerry West was not in attendance. It was only Doc and Lawrence Frank.)

MACRO

This move is a win-win for Chris Paul, and it was all part of a master plan. By opting into the final year of his current contract and pressuring the Clippers to trade him to Houston, Paul will be in the exact same situation next summer. He can re-sign with the Rockets for 5 years and $200+ million or sign a 4-year deal for about $150 million with another team. In addition, he will save several million dollars in state income tax.

Also, by being committed to the Rockets for only one season, it gives him a year to see if he can actually co-exist and pursue a title with James Harden. But even beyond that, this move gives Paul more flexibility to join LeBron James in 2018. If he stayed in LA or signed the max deal with the Clippers and forced them to do a sign-and-trade with the Rockets, Paul and LeBron could only join forces at one location. Now, they will have the ability to pick and choose wherever they want to go as a tandem, which could be Houston, LA {Lakers or Clippers (provided Doc is no longer with organization)}, or any other destination in-between.

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123. "family first."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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125. "Lmao!.. Oh boy."
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Dudes didn't fuck with sorry ass Austin.
Doc like.. man fuck yall.

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126. "lulz"
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>As one league executive put it, "Chris
>despises Doc."

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129. "fake news lol, if true that Doc turned that deal he needs to be fired"
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132. "^^^ ThaTrump"
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131. "Doc Good Dad Rivers out here fuckin up"
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136. "Maybe Doc gets upset when his PG can't get him out of the 2nd round"
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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_9B-9HH4E2g/maxresdefault.jpg

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137. "2nd round? Hmmm"
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http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Washington-Wizards/30/Playoff-History

  

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138. "SAME 'TENSITY!"
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141. "Valid. Same with John too. He's not at the tail end though. Or "Da Point..."
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God".

Right?

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143. "john gets tired like he's at the tail end though. "
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150. "And the Knicks have been tired since 1st quarter of Game 1. "
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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153. "were they tired when you were a knicks fan?"
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___________________

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154. "In 1989? Yeah from what I remember, but I was also 10..."
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so I could tell you more about Serpentor than your lame ass get back.

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159. "of course you could."
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>so I could tell you more about Serpentor than your lame ass
>get back.

he turned on his team just like you did.

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161. "lol"
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.

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162. "yeah, he got that off."
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164. "Nope I turned 11. And recognized a sinking ship. "
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What's your adult excuse?

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165. "good grief, you're actually bragging about being a front-runner?"
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vex would be proud of you.


>What's your adult excuse?

it's called integrity.

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160. "I don't personally blame either of them, for the most part"
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The Wizards have pretty much done what they're supposed to do, and the Clippers have generally lost because of injuries and complete lack of any swingman with an ounce of athleticism(CP3 got blame the year he had those big turnovers late)

  

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156. "Lame. Michael Eaves is trying to make a name at ESPN"
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"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Plato

  

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163. "didn't CP3 "clash" with Byron Scott too? I'm seeing a pattern..."
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124. "how paul and harden will fit together (swipe)"
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How Will Chris Paul and James Harden Fit Together?
There’s only one ball!

Pairing Chris Paul with James Harden seems awkward at first glance, but maybe those guys know something we don’t. The Clippers are sending Paul to the Rockets for a seven-player package that includes Patrick Beverley, Sam Dekker, Lou Williams, and a 2018 first-round pick. “Chris Paul and James Harden were determined to play together,” Adrian Wojnarowski reported Wednesday, “and found a way with the Rockets-Clippers trade agreed upon today.”

Paul and Harden are two of the most ball-dominant guards in the game. Harden possessed the ball for 8.9 minutes per game last season, which led the NBA, per SportVU. Paul ranked seventh, at 7.2 minutes. Is there enough ball to go around for the Beard and the Point God?

Yes, though you wouldn’t know it if you’ve watched CP3 over his career. He has been the sole orchestrator since high school, through college at Wake Forest, and at both his NBA stops in New Orleans and Los Angeles. Even while playing alongside one of the most talented playmaking bigs of this century, Blake Griffin, there were often chemistry issues stemming from how much Paul wanted the ball.

But that wasn’t exactly Paul’s fault. The blame should largely fall on Clippers coach Doc Rivers, who, year after year, failed to stagger Paul’s and Griffin’s minutes, which meant they almost always shared the floor. Houston coach Mike D’Antoni always staggers minutes. With Harden and Paul, he can have at least one of the NBA’s elite playmakers on the floor for the entire game. Last season, Beverley and Eric Gordon played only two-thirds of their minutes with Harden. Beverley went from averaging 2.7 assists per 36 minutes while sharing the floor with Harden, to 8.8 assists per 36 when Harden was off the floor, while Gordon went from 15.6 points per 36 to 24.9 points per 36, respectively.

D’Antoni turned Gordon and Beverley into feature players when they played without Harden. The same idea applies to Paul. He and Harden don’t need to share the floor. Paul can be as dominant as he’s always been when he plays without Harden, and the Beard can play like he has the past few years with the Rockets. D’Antoni’s offense could unleash Paul 2.0, in the same way Harden reached a higher level this past season.

There will be growing pains, especially early in the 2017–18 season. But Harden willingly and successfully took on a supporting role with the Thunder when he was the third wheel behind Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook. It’s not out of the question for him to relinquish some control to Paul. That both players wanted to join forces is a sign that they’re committed to doing what’s best for the team. Paul is in a new situation, one that will still feature him for some portion of the game. It’s reasonable to assume that he’ll view playing off the ball alongside Harden as an opportunity to get easier scoring chances than he’s ever dreamed of having. This was one of the draws of Golden State for Kevin Durant.

And don’t expect the Rockets to stop playing Moreyball. Harden and Paul are both knockdown spot-up 3-point shooters. Regardless of who’s handling the ball, the other can be a floor spacer who will significantly strain the defense. Over the past four years, Harden shot 39.5 percent on 886 catch-and-shoot 3-pointers, while Paul shot 43.9 percent on 330 attempts, per SportVU. Those guys are capable of draining 3s off the catch and off of screens, or they can attack a closeout and make a play off the bounce. Houston’s offense was intoxicating last year; just imagine the possibilities now. D’Antoni must feel like he’s dreaming.

Losing Beverley will hurt Houston’s defense, but Paul is no slouch — he was also just named first-team All-Defense. Even at the age of 32, he’s still an elite defender who grinds, night in and night out. Maybe by relinquishing some of his offensive workload, he’ll be able to be even more impactful on the defensive end. The same goes for Harden, who people seem to forget was a reliable defender early in his career in Oklahoma City, and in college at Arizona State.

So what’s next? Because with Morey, there’s always a “next.” Stephen A. Smith reported that if Carmelo Anthony is bought out he will be pursued by the Rockets. But to do that, Houston will need to move Ryan Anderson’s $19.6 million contract. Trading away Anderson, or even dealing him as part of a package for Melo, could be a realistic next step for the team to add another star presence in its quest to take down the Warriors. Brian Windhorst also reports that the Rockets are chasing Paul George, though finding a practical trade package for the Pacers star would be difficult.

Houston also acquired DeAndre Liggins, Tim Quarterman, and Ryan Kelly to include in the Paul trade, which suggests that the Rockets will not go under the cap to absorb Paul’s contract and will retain the use of their full $8.4 million midlevel exception. These moves suggest that names could be added to the Paul trade to make it work financially. The benefit of going over the cap to do it would be having the flexibility to chase other free agents with their exception.

By being traded, Paul retains his eligibility to sign a designated-player veteran extension worth five years and roughly $205 million. Once he inks that deal, the Rockets are locked in. Morey said he had something up his sleeve. That is quite a sleeve he’s got. There’s a superteam arms race happening in the NBA, and it’s not even July yet.

https://theringer.com/chris-paul-james-harden-fit-houston-rockets-a13a944b7b6b

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shades of Morey's calculator telling him the Dwight signing was good here...

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140. "Let me see which posters agree and disagree with the move."
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*looks*

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>*looks*
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>Oh wow, painfully obvious which side of the argument is right.
>Nicely done, gang.

  

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185. "I was right on the money about the Loser Twins in #64"
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Only thing I ended up being wrong about is The Clippers being irrelavent for the foreseeable future. Turns out they bounced back after two seasons.

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151. "more on the fit (nba.com swipe)"
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On Monday, it was announced that James Harden finished second in MVP voting in his first season as the Houston Rockets' point guard. On Wednesday, the Rockets traded for an even better point guard.

Before free agency even began, Houston got what would have been one of the best free agents on the market, trading for Chris Paul, who will not exercise his early termination option and will instead remain under contract for one more season.

And now, we wonder how Harden and Paul will work together.

First of all, let's assume that Coach of the Year Mike D'Antoni is smart enough to stagger the two playmakers' playing time, so that one of the two is always on the floor (excluding garbage time). If the 32-year-old Paul stays playing about 32 minutes per game and Harden plays about 36 minutes per game, they'd only be on the floor together about 20 minutes per night (for about five minutes each quarter).

And having the other on the floor while one sits helps avoid the issue that both the Clippers and Rockets have had in the past. L.A. outscored its opponents by 14.9 points per 100 possessions with Paul on the floor and was outscored by 5.3 when he was off the floor. That differential of 20.2 points per 100 possessions was the league's biggest on-off NetRtg differential (by a pretty wide margin -- LeBron James had the second biggest at 16.3) among players who logged at least 1,000 minutes last season.

The Rockets didn't see nearly as big of a drop-off when Harden sat. They were only 3.4 points per 100 possessions better with him on the floor (plus-6.3) than they were with him off the floor (plus-2.8).

But Houston's success still depended on its bench minutes. The Rockets' aggregate bench NetRtg was plus-12.1 in wins and minus-15.3 in losses. That difference of 27.4 was the biggest in the league. More than any other team, how well the bench played is how well the team played.

It remains to be seen how deep of a bench the Rockets will have come October. But by just having Harden and Paul on the roster, they already have the Sixth Man of the Year (Eric Gordon) and one of the league's best playmakers around which to build a second unit.

Still, even if D'Antoni minimizes their minutes together, both Harden and Paul will have to sacrifice touches and touch time. They each ranked in the top seven in time of possession per game last season. Only 76 (9.6 percent) of Paul's 785 shots were catch-and-shoot jumpers last season, while only 194 (12.7) of Harden's 1,533 shots were catch-and-shoot.

According to SportVU, Harden led the league by using 39.1 ball screens per game. Paul ranked fourth, using 29.4 per contest. But they can each continue running lots of pick-and-rolls, even on the same possession. In fact, that's the advantage of having two great playmakers. If the defense stops the first action, there's another guy on the floor who can take advantage of the attention that the first guy has drawn. Imagine a Harden-Clint Capela pick-and-roll leading into a Paul-Ryan Anderson pick-and-pop, with the league leader in corner 3s over the last four years (Trevor Ariza) keeping his defender honest.

(dula's note: i'll be honest, that last sentence made me a little erect)

That's a big reason why the Rockets traded for Lou Williams in February. They wanted an additional playmaker to make it more difficult for defenses to load up on Harden. Unfortunately, Williams shot 35 percent in the conference semifinals, with more turnovers (nine) than assists (six).

Paul is obviously a huge upgrade (on both ends of the floor) over Williams (who is being sent to L.A. in the trade). When Paul used a ball screen last season, the Clippers scored 1.17 points per possession. When Harden used a ball screen, the Rockets scored at the same rate. Those marks ranked third and fourth among the 46 players that used at least 1,000.

They are both elite pick-and-roll guards, but neither is a liability otherwise. This is not a pairing of Rajon Rondo and Ricky Rubio, where defenses can sag off the guy that doesn't have the ball.

Harden has had an effective field goal percentage of 59.2 percent on catch-and-shoot jumpers over the last three seasons. Paul (though on limited attempts) has been better.

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Both Paul and Harden will have to add off-ball cuts to their game. Paul will also have an adjustment to make if the Rockets want to continue playing at a fast pace. The Rockets have been in the top three in pace three times (and no lower than seventh) in Harden's five seasons in Houston. Paul's teams have ranked in the top 10 in pace only once (2013-14 Clippers) and above the league average only one other time ('14-15 Clippers).

And something will have to give in regard to Paul's mid-range shooting. Over the last three years, he has taken 42 percent of his shots from mid-range, while the Rockets have taken only 11 percent of their shots from between the paint and the 3-point line. Paul has been the league's second best mid-range shooter over that time (minimum 500 attempts), with his 48.5 percent from mid-range trailing only Kevin Durant's 48.7 percent, but the Rockets have basically erased his best shot from their offense. After the All-Star break last season, they took less than seven percent of their shots from mid-range. In fact, Paul took more mid-range shots after the All-Star break (149) than the Rockets did (147).

Playing off Harden will lower the percentage of shots that Paul takes from mid-range, because catch-and-shoot jumpers are more likely to come from beyond the arc. Still, it will be fascinating to see how this all plays out, in more ways than one.

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155. "I don't care about this move, it'll just allow Houston to run in place"
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The thing that's disappointing to me is that Paul didn't do the exciting for the league and go to San Antonio at a reduced price. He took the big bucks and moved on just to move on. Houston would have been hard-pressed to repeat last year's success, now they should be able to. Whoopty-damn-doo. In your face, middling Western Conference franchises!

From Houston's standpoint oh BFD that Harden has to play off the ball more. It's nothing different than he did for most of his career and he will still run the one. I would expect them to be on the floor together less than most star duos, giving them both more opportunities to play run units.

From the Clippers' standpoint, well they got something which is better than nothing. You can't say much more than that. The biggest thing they was a reprieve and also a nudge in the right direction. Had Paul said give me the five year deal, I'm saying, it would been hard to say no. Do you know what that deal will look like in years four and five? Not pretty. It also tells them what they already knew: this group is not winning a title, you've got rebuild. Most franchises would be content with a high-scoring, entertaining team that put butts in seats. But Ballmer doesn't want that, he wants to win. Well time to start from scratch

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158. "actually by opting in for his final year he gave up money, I doubt if..."
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Houston will be willing to give him a 5-year deal next summer

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157. "This is not going to work. Harden is gonna drive CP3 crazy"
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166. "Right.. CP3 is notorious for being a hard ass with other teammates "
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It's pretty well known hes a bulldog in practices and games

The first time Harden shows up to practice smelling like Pineapple Ciroc, CP3 is gonna take the Andis to his face.


Maybe Harden turns over a new leaf though.. I'd like to see that. He's one of the most fun players to watch in the league when he's clicking.




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167. "Yep, it definitely will be interesting lol... "
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>It's pretty well known hes a bulldog in practices and games
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>The first time Harden shows up to practice smelling like
>Pineapple Ciroc, CP3 is gonna take the Andis to his face.
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>Maybe Harden turns over a new leaf though.. I'd like to see
>that. He's one of the most fun players to watch in the league
>when he's clicking.
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169. "since his return: 13-0 with the #1 offense and #3 defense"
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http://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=11%2F16%2F2017

his personal numbers over that stretch: 19/9/5/2 on 65% true shooting (50/45/91), leads the league in +/- and offensive rating, and top 5 in 4th quarter PER.

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170. "the wrongness in the whole thread is HIGH COMEDY!"
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171. "Would they have been better or worse with Carmelo?"
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knows the team hierarchy.

Melo would definitely be better here, though. Knicks probably cost him a few million trading him to a team with 0 point guards instead of 2.

  

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175. "nice."
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>Knicks probably cost him a few million trading him
>to a team with 0 point guards instead of 2.

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173. "yeah i've had that convo a couple times."
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feels like they dodged a bullet. he doesn't fit their personnel or system at all tbh.

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174. "right...he didn't fit under d'antoni b4, not sure why they thought he wo..."
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now.

Unless he transformed into a 40% 3pt shooter and limited his shooting to open jumpers.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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176. ":-)"
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177. "lmao. wow."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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179. "LMAO niggas in here sayin CP3 and Harden wont work..yaddaa yadda"
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181. "He’s a free agent does he get a max deal?"
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182. "RE: He’s a free agent does he get a max deal?"
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fuck no

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187. "The Houston Rockets Are Reportedly Willing to Trade Chris Paul"
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I bet they are lol...

https://www.complex.com/sports/2019/05/rockets-reportedly-willing-to-trade-chris-paul?

  

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188. "$38M, $41M and $44M through 2022"
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I bet they're trying to trade him, LOL

Why in the fuck is he making more money than Harden?

SMH@these contracts

They should let the FA chips fall before making that decision

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189. "would Charlotte take him to replace Kemba?"
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191. "may as well. they need to tank out the next 3-5 years"
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at least have a hometown (close to it) guy to keep the fans engaged through it all.

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190. "Watch him end up on the Lakers lol"
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BrooklynWHAT
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192. "absolutely zero chance."
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Cold Truth
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193. "Zero? Let's hope. "
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194. "Banana Boat Crew!"
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And unlike Carmelo, Paul's still useful.

Lakers have cash and LeBron. If they can't pull off 2 major free agents in July (but maybe they land 1), don't be surprised if they take on Paul at LeBron's behest. lol

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195. "I can see this happening. "
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If it does...Lakers better get a lot of picks.

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196. "8 years later, lol, I hope not"
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197. "I mean, same...but have you seen SMART management happening?"
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I can see Pelinka or Jeanie feeling like they can "fleece" Houston for that terrible fucking contract and get another star on the roster.

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199. "I;m having bad memories of the Steve Nash acquisition"
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198. "Honestly, how would that work?"
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Like, do the Lakers have the salary on the team to match up and get a trade done? Like, wouldn’t it take including LeBron?

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200. "right, hopefully it won't lol..."
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>Like, do the Lakers have the salary on the team to match up
>and get a trade done? Like, wouldn’t it take including
>LeBron?

  

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201. "it doesnt"
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202. "Can't the Lakers absorb a ton of contract? "
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