I have a lot of respect for dude as a man and as a player, but I've always had a hard time fully buying in, because it doesn't feel right that a basketball player can just lower his shoulder, run full steam ahead and tap the a-button to knock everyone over while they have to run out the way or called called for a foul and catch a forearm to the face.

40 years ago, was this allowed in basketball? Was the criteria for offensive foul this narrow to where the ball carrier could just play football while everyone else plays matador?

PS: I hope moderators don't delete this. I feel this would be a post-jack if I put it in the Cavs/Warriors thread, as this really isn't about that series

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someone can go into that thread and check, it won't be me

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They didn't call fouls back then either?

Bron would be in traction by halftime.

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I dunno why people wanna venerate those Knicks teams so much, if they were so tough and fierce and unfuckwittable, how come they didn't win shit? Yeah I think there was a little more accountability with the kind of guys that they had and, before that, the Pistons had, but it wasn't exactly the old-time NHL out there. Also basketball was a tougher and more physical game in many respects before the 90s. Shit Wilt had a bunch of teeth knocked out with an elbow and Oakley wasn't doing shit that Mo Lucas didn't do with the 86 different pro franchises he played for. Those guys were good at what they did but hardly some sort of historical anamoly.

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All the did was foul and win.... and THEN lose to the Bulls.

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they were a good team, not a great team. plenty of teams have done what they did and been essentially forgotten by history.

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i do think ultimately while the quality argument is there for paul, he loses a lot of close battles with other players historically because they won more.

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94 they go to the Finals and lose to Hakeem and a bunch of guys he found in the parking lot, 95 the Magic beat them with a bunch of kids and a schlub ass coach. You're acting like they were the 60s Lakers or some shit where every year they met the same fate. They also lost two the Pacers (twice) and Heat in the playoffs. They were a good team, not a great team. They would be forgotten like the 80s Bucks if they played in Orlando or Sacramento.

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>I dunno why people wanna venerate those Knicks teams so much,

he didn't. he named the same 2 guys you did along with a couple of knicks to make a point of how tough the league was overall.

>if they were so tough and fierce and unfuckwittable, how come
>they didn't win shit?

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>>I dunno why people wanna venerate those Knicks teams so
>much,
>
>he didn't. he named the same 2 guys you did along with a
>couple of knicks to make a point of how tough the league was
>overall.

The Pistons are an infinitely better example and neither team was anomalous in league history. Basketball used to be a tough game before Stern decided to sanitize it.

>>if they were so tough and fierce and unfuckwittable, how
>come
>>they didn't win shit?
>
>http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1108/nba_a_iverson_600.jpg

Funny the Sixers, who as a team will surely be a footnote in history, won as much as those "storied" Ewing Knicks. Take their five-year peaks, the Ewing Knicks win seven series and go to one finals. The Sixers won six series and went to one finals. I have no illusions that those teams were totally forgettable, though Iverson himself (like Barkley) was more memorable as an individual player than any Knick. Same with Malone, he didn't end up winning a title but he did get to two finals as the clear star of his team (where was Ewing in '99?) and is arguably the best ever at his position.

The only meaningful thing about the Knicks is where they play. Even the great teams they did have were not materially different from other deep, talented, 12-man teams in the 70s, yet there is documentary upon documentary made about them rather than the Blazers, Warriors, Bullets, etc. I mean, there are plenty of overhyped franchises in pro sports but at least teams like the Cowboys and Maple Leafs have some substantive reason for the hype at some point.

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>The Pistons are an infinitely better example and neither team
>was anomalous in league history. Basketball used to be a tough
>game before Stern decided to sanitize it.

again, he did not bring up the Knicks - you did. you seem really fixated on the Knicks for some strange reason.


>Funny the Sixers, who as a team will surely be a footnote in
>history, won as much as those "storied" Ewing Knicks. Take
>their five-year peaks, the Ewing Knicks win seven series and
>go to one finals. The Sixers won six series and went to one
>finals.

oh so *now* five-year peaks are your measuring stick? lolz. AI played 10 full seasons in philly, you can throw out the first 2 years when he's sill young & sixers are sorting out the Stackhouse situation. Next 8 seasons AI's in his prime and sixers are fully his team: philly misses playoffs twice, bounced in 1st round twice, only make ECF once + one Finals where they get steamrolled. Knicks 8 seasons following Ewing's first 2 years in the NBA: NY makes playoffs every year, lose in 1st round twice (to Bird's C's & MJ's Bulls), make ECF twice + make the Finals once where they take it to 7 games. and Ewing had 2 more healthy seasons after that and Knicks make playoffs again and win 2 more series. so no, the AI Sixers did not win as much as Ewing's Knicks. and Knicks did it against MUCH tougher competition in the eastern conference of Ewing's era.


>forgettable, though Iverson himself (like Barkley) was more
>memorable as an individual player than any Knick.

Iverson is more memorable for neck tats and awful rap records. Ewing is memorable for being a better basketball player. And Barkley is memorable for having to leave the bum-ass sixers to achieve anything.


>Malone, he didn't end up winning a title but he did get to two
>finals as the clear star of his team (where was Ewing in '99?)

that was the year Sprewell led the Knicks to the Finals when Ewing got hurt & won as many Finals games as Iverson did, except unlike AI he did it playing without a HOF center.


>The only meaningful thing about the Knicks is where they play.
>Even the great teams they did have were not materially
>different from other deep, talented, 12-man teams in the 70s,
>yet there is documentary upon documentary made about them
>rather than the Blazers, Warriors, Bullets, etc. I mean, there
>are plenty of overhyped franchises in pro sports but at least
>teams like the Cowboys and Maple Leafs have some substantive
>reason for the hype at some point.

meaningful enough for you to keep bringing them up when nobody was even talking about them.

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sounds like we agree that those knicks accomplished little and deserve limited notoriety. nice burn with barkley, FOH, like i don't know that a team whose next-best players were mike gminski and hersey hawkins wasn't shit lol.

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and nobody mentioned Mason. wasn't nobody talking about the Knicks, man.

your fixation on this is really weird. sounds like you're mad those Knicks accomplished more than Iverson's Sixers and are deserving of having more notoriety.

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i never brought the sixers up and never said they deserved notoriety. you have this knee-jerk thing of posting the same two corny ass iverson pictures every time i open my mouth. so who's obsessed?

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nobody brought the knicks up or said they deserved notoriety yet you still felt the need to comment on it. and the iverson pics only come out when you open your mouth about the knicks. so if that's happening so much, you must be talking about the knicks a lot - who's obsessed indeed.

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his style of play would translate MUCH better in the 80s.
In addition to his offense, him be able to handcheck perimeter players would be a game changer

If he ain't got a full head of steam you can get legal guarding position and get the charge like durant did last night. If not, oh well.

One of my biggest complaints about bron is that he don't always use his size to the full. He been doing it more,but he's gonna need to make that adjustment to posting when he gets a Lil older.

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My question is how would it be for him if either A) defenders were allowed to be more physical against him, or B) he wasn't allowed to truck and bulldoze players like it's tecmo bowl.

I personally think offensive players (especially stars) are given too much freedom in modern basketball to play football while defenders have to play tea time in return.

But that's not his fault.

alternately...he routinely gets the hell beat out of him because he's so big. Last night they showed a replay where he was in the post and Draymond just beat him to shreds as he was backing in. JVG made the statement that people wonder what happened to post play...look at what you have to be willing to take to play in the post because of how the games are officiated and what's allowed.

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If he does that to a player with legal guarding position it's an offensive foul.

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If we're making hypotheticals regarding how NBA refs consistently favor the offense today.

My answer: such hypotheticals are silly, as both Bron and the Warriors are really fucking good, so if the calls changed, they'd adjust... but since they see how the calls go, and they see calls not being made, they'll keep exploiting the refs' tendency to swallow whistles on offensive fouls.

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Don't confuse my thoughts specifics in his game and the way basketball is called with a desire to see him lose.

It's pathetic watching KD primal scream out there like he's accomplishing something lol

If anything he has MORE constraints now.

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Yeah, back in the 80s and 90s, defenders could be more physical, which would have made it more difficult. Nowadays, they have little choice but to clear out or get run over while sending him to the line.

But I'm not even talking about "what if this were the 80s or 90s"

I'm simply saying "what if intentionally bashing into and running over defenders like Okoye wasn't allowed?"

And I asked a second question, in addition to the above, which was: were OFFENSIVE players allowed to truck people in the OLD DAYS of the game, and I said 40 years ago, but seeing as that actually puts us in the mid 70s, I'm really curious about the way the game was intended, so much further back than that.

It's a question about the way the game is called, not a shot at LeBron, and obviously the fact that overall defenders are afforded less physicality is part of my point.

Do you think a handcheck would stop Lebron?

Were offensive fouls called tighter then? I don't understand.

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"the rules were/are different, so player x wouldn't have been able to do y"

sure, but when we're talking about an unquestionably great player does it really matter? Bron (and anyone else) gets away with the things they know they can get away with. Change the rules and they'll change their gameplans. If someone is too one-dimensional it might severely affect their game, but this is Bron we're talking about... and if he was facing off against skinnier guys??? yeesh.

fouls were called, and on what kind of contact.

it's not really more or less physical, it's just different

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I fully acknowledge the game was once more physical than now, ON DEFENSE, meaning Bron would have less freedom to run people over and earn foul shots because they didn't run out the way fast enough

You gotta see sports in the USA as an outgrowth of World War II essentially, all the major sports were more vicious, brutal and score-settling back in the day. Now if they played that way today, people would be getting killed, because the athletes are bigger, stronger and faster. But in terms of the psychology and roughness of the game, oh, it was fierce in the old days. There was a time in basketball where leaving your feet in the lane was a dangerous proposition and certainly where fists and elbows settled scores. This shit of throwing a punch and getting suspended for 10 or 20 games is brand new. Same thing in baseball, the way guys dig in and crowd the plate today would have meant getting your head taken off in the past. Let's not even look at how fucking savage the contact sports used to be.

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You had guys like Shaq in the 2000s and Malone/Barkley in the 90s playing a very physical style with a lot of backing down, bumping, dropping the shoulder, etc.

There were eras that were called more tightly for sure but think about the physical advantage LeBron would have had in that era. The dude is like Oscar Robertson on steroids, and we saw Oscar Robertson did in his prime.

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The real question should be "What if defenders weren't allowed to hang onto and hack the shit outta Bron all game?"

He gets Shaq level treatment out there on the court, and yaw have the gall to post some shit like this?

Curry gets touched and its a foul. Breathe on KD and he at the line.

If Bron was any of those two guys, or god forbid James Harden, he'd had been to the line at least 25 times last night. The Warriors got away with at least 5-10 BLATANT fouls on Bron ALONE.

Show me 1 play where he illegally trucks somebody and I'll show you 50 where he gets held and grabbed more than any player since Shaq.

Shit is disgusting

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to see Rodman go head to head with him though. Kawhi is one of the few defenders who can get to Bron and 'slow' him down a bit, so seeing an all-time great like defender/trash-talker like Rodman go at him several times a year would be must-see tv.

Bron uses his body to his advantage as he should. It's what separates him from others - ie his freakish athletic ability and talent for his size. If it was that easy, why doesn't Blake Griffin dominate in the same way? Dwight Howard? etc.

Chicago era Rodman I think LeBron would have yammed all over.

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Good grief.

This is AWFUL.

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