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there are some slow mfers here. 40 times from the RB group:

Dalvin Cook, FSU: 4.50
- not good at all.

Christian McCaffrey: 4.49
- average for his size (200 pounds). his second 40 was 4.59.

Alvin Kamara, Tennessee: 4.50
- considering he's also barely 200 pounds, nothing special. although he never showed breakaway speed in college; he's more shifty than anything.

Leonard Fournette, LSU: 4.51
- actually the better than everyone above him because he ran at 240 pounds.

Wayne Gallman, Clemson: 4.57
Kareem Hunt, Toledo: 4.62
James Conner, Pitt: 4.66
Samaje Perine, Oklahoma: 4.66
Corey Clement, Wisconsin: 4.68

- at least Perine and Conner are 230+. Clement's and Hunt's times are abysmal.

Joe Williams, Utah: 4.40
- helped himself a lot today among a sea of plodders.

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4.59?? Jesus. not a good look for an APB.
Mar 03rd 2017
1
it's just a missed opportunity for them.
Mar 03rd 2017
3
      it is and it isnt imo
Mar 03rd 2017
7
           Clement *was* really bad tho. thats a 2 round knockdown.
Mar 03rd 2017
8
                yeeeeesh. ogunbowale with a 4.64? no bueno.
Mar 03rd 2017
9
also Conner's number isnt concering to me either
Mar 03rd 2017
2
The McCaffrey slobfest is killin me
Mar 03rd 2017
4
Your Kufi is killing your circulation
Mar 03rd 2017
6
Du rag..
Mar 03rd 2017
19
Remember that when Brady turns him into an All Pro next year
Mar 03rd 2017
20
      and turns Westerkamp into the next Welker
Mar 04th 2017
25
Bwahaha y'all MAD MCCAFFREY FASTER
Mar 03rd 2017
5
Dalvin is fast enough on the field.
Mar 03rd 2017
10
word
Mar 03rd 2017
13
NFL.com numbers a little different (link)
Mar 03rd 2017
11
yeah those are the final laser numbers
Mar 03rd 2017
12
McCaffrey faster, better vert, better Broad than No Limit Cook or Fatboy
Mar 03rd 2017
14
you know what's cool about McAffrey
Mar 03rd 2017
21
McCaffrey: 2nd fastest 3-cone since 2003.
Mar 03rd 2017
15
when did 4.5 become slow for physical running backs?
Mar 03rd 2017
16
4.51 is awesome for Fournette.
Mar 03rd 2017
17
2007 when AP clocked 4.4
Mar 03rd 2017
18
I'd take Cook #1 overall
Mar 03rd 2017
22
Nah you still gotta take the kid from Texas AM, but Cook deserves top 5
Mar 03rd 2017
23
Myles & Fornette are can't miss.
Mar 03rd 2017
24
      Fournette is can't miss?
Mar 04th 2017
26
           Plenty of outstanding, 'can't miss' type RBs have faded out in the NFL
Mar 04th 2017
27
                He's better than all these guys.
Mar 04th 2017
34
                     True, not all those guys were hyped or expected to be as good as LF
Mar 04th 2017
40
I like Rueben Foster over Myles too, well
Mar 04th 2017
35
Perspective: Emmitt Smith ran a 4.55
Mar 04th 2017
28
Zeke has 15 pounds on Cook though
Mar 04th 2017
29
      To be fair, I haven't watched enough of Cook to make an honest eval
Mar 04th 2017
39
           I watched him a ton...he's stronger than folks prolly think...
Mar 04th 2017
42
                I like how y'all ignoring how McCaffrey BROKE the agility drills.
Mar 04th 2017
43
                     Talking about Cook does not = ignoring McCaffrey. You are free to
Mar 04th 2017
45
                     Fournette and Cook have grandma hips compared to McCaffrey
Mar 04th 2017
46
                     I'm replying to a comment about COOK...no one is talking
Mar 04th 2017
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                     LMAO. dude has hit officially hit lunatic mode with this nutso agenda
Mar 04th 2017
48
                          especially with a bench press that locks him into 3rd down/flex option
Mar 04th 2017
49
                               what did he bench?
Mar 04th 2017
50
                                    i dunno if it should, but 10 reps isnt a great look
Mar 04th 2017
51
                                         Bwahah. He BROKE the agility drills you sad, stinky ass hoe
Mar 05th 2017
64
                                         10 reps really sucks considering his frame
Mar 05th 2017
65
                     i had dinner in palo alto/university ave on saturday actually
Mar 06th 2017
69
Reuben Foster tested positive for dumbass
Mar 04th 2017
30
John Ross III (Washington) on the board with an unofficial 4.22
Mar 04th 2017
31
Long Beach!
Mar 04th 2017
36
official. he can run sub 4.2.
Mar 04th 2017
37
can't even get his island, doe...wasn't rockin Adidas
Mar 04th 2017
38
Josh Malone looked good too
Mar 04th 2017
53
he can run but gets little separation
Mar 06th 2017
67
what's his story health wise?
Mar 04th 2017
55
      legs are fine (he got cramps after his run).
Mar 05th 2017
57
Curtis Samuel (Ohio State): 4.31
Mar 04th 2017
32
I can hope for Round 2, Saints
Mar 04th 2017
41
Curtis Samuel with that BROOKLYN SPEEEEEEEEEEED
Mar 04th 2017
33
These TEs are just as fast as the backs
Mar 04th 2017
44
It's possible that the only position that requires a specific skillset i...
Mar 04th 2017
52
i wouldn't go that far, but you also see a few teams trying that with O-...
Mar 04th 2017
54
Ehhh not true. Skill still matters, as much as ever
Mar 04th 2017
56
very athletic group of Tight ends...
Mar 05th 2017
60
They still start these by hand, on the runner's motion?
Mar 05th 2017
58
I thought it become fully automated a few years back
Mar 05th 2017
59
      That makes sense
Mar 05th 2017
62
Jaylon Brown from UCLA rockin the Pattil Labelle Mohawk...
Mar 05th 2017
61
WR Zay Jones (ECU) rising
Mar 05th 2017
63
so I guess Dalvin Cook has never tested like an elite athlete
Mar 06th 2017
66
Remember when the mich secondary was supposed be to better than OSU? Lol
Mar 06th 2017
68
that you OE??
Mar 06th 2017
70
      nah, I'm discussing relevant combine performances for a group of players
Mar 06th 2017
72
           you're hyping 40 times
Mar 06th 2017
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                im not 'hyping' 40's...im mentioning them. it's a combine thread lmao
Mar 06th 2017
74
                     lol
Mar 07th 2017
75
CB Jalen Tabor (Florida) ran a 4.63/4.68?
Mar 06th 2017
71
Tabor runs a hand-timed 4.75 at Florida pro day
Mar 28th 2017
77
      Does this guy not have an agent or something
Mar 28th 2017
78
      good point.
Mar 28th 2017
79
      Is he playing football or trying out for the US track team?
Mar 29th 2017
80
      arguable to a point...but there are limits
Mar 29th 2017
82
      I honestly thought he was better than hargreaves 2 years ago
Mar 29th 2017
81
Mixon ran a 4.47 with 35 vert and 21 reps @ 225
Mar 08th 2017
76
another running back light years better than Ed's son
Mar 29th 2017
83
      Chill before OE comes through and defends his nubian white king
Mar 29th 2017
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1. "4.59?? Jesus. not a good look for an APB."
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Cooks time would be more worrisome if he didnt crank out 22 bench reps. would suggest not much fall off from 4.5 in pafs right?

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3. "it's just a missed opportunity for them."
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I'm really side-eyeing McCaffrey's time (he also only managed 10 reps on the bench, so he's neither strong or straight-line fast) considering what he projects as.

Cook's talent hasn't changed, but with running backs being so devalued these days, you really have to be special to merit a high pick. between some off the field cloudiness, his shoulder surgeries, and not blazing 40, he has cost himself a good bit of money since January.

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7. "it is and it isnt imo"
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yeah you would have thought speed training would be a priority over the last 2 months

but like you said, with the devaluing of the position i think RBs are at the mercy of whim. if a team wants a reason to skip over an RB they'll come up with any. dipping below 4.5 would have been a nice jewel, but hes still the guy who was broke open a defense with 5-6 top 100 picks.

the real takeaway here is that NO ONE is as fast as they say they are out of high school lol. denard/CJ/calvin excluded

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8. "Clement *was* really bad tho. thats a 2 round knockdown."
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9. "yeeeeesh. ogunbowale with a 4.64? no bueno."
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2. "also Conner's number isnt concering to me either"
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thats not really his game anyways, and with that footwork and power he could eat good in a league with 63% nickel deployment

i like him a lot

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4. "The McCaffrey slobfest is killin me"
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Had to mute Mayock and crew.

I'm watching though

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6. "Your Kufi is killing your circulation"
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>Had to mute Mayock and crew.
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>I'm watching though


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19. "Du rag.."
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20. "Remember that when Brady turns him into an All Pro next year"
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25. "and turns Westerkamp into the next Welker"
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<-Fear Ameer

  

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5. "Bwahaha y'all MAD MCCAFFREY FASTER "
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Eat bootie!

McCaffrey FASTER

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10. "Dalvin is fast enough on the field."
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13. "word"
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11. "NFL.com numbers a little different (link)"
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shows Cook with a 4.49 and thats a 500k hundredth lol

also shows kamara with a 4.56 but he did win the vert with an impressive 39.5



http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers

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12. "yeah those are the final laser numbers"
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14. "McCaffrey faster, better vert, better Broad than No Limit Cook or Fatboy"
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21. "you know what's cool about McAffrey"
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Is that if you're gonna bail on your last amateur showing, you'd better show out in your first professional showing. Completely vindicated for skipping his dumb bowl.

  

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15. "McCaffrey: 2nd fastest 3-cone since 2003. "
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16. "when did 4.5 become slow for physical running backs?"
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not saying all of those guys are physical.

  

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17. "4.51 is awesome for Fournette."
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Perine and Conner were gonna be slow based on size and style.

I though Cook and McCaffrey would break 4.45 though.

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18. "2007 when AP clocked 4.4"
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22. "I'd take Cook #1 overall"
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Best RB in the draft.

  

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23. "Nah you still gotta take the kid from Texas AM, but Cook deserves top 5"
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I think Cook, McAffrey, and Fournette are all 3 great. I'm curious to see how ezekiel Elliott will have changed these guys' outlooks on taking RBs early

  

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24. "Myles & Fornette are can't miss."
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26. "Fournette is can't miss?"
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lol, I think injuries and questions on ethic provide some doubt

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27. "Plenty of outstanding, 'can't miss' type RBs have faded out in the NFL"
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Beanie Wells
Cedric Benson
Darren McFaden
William Green
TJ Duckett
Cadillac Williams
Ronnie Brown
Laurence Maroney
Trent Richardson
Michael Bennett
Kevin Jones
Donald Brown
Ryan Williams
Knowshon Moreno
Felix Jones
etc. etc. etc.

RB isn't the most easy position to evaluate and there's tons of potential for bust - even with guys we feel 'check out all the boxes.'







  

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34. "He's better than all these guys."
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Only true shocking bust was Trent Richardson, that shit is mind boggling.


>Beanie Wells - He wasn't on LF's level.
>Cedric Benson - He kicked ass everywhere but Chicago, was legit in Cincy
>Darren McFaden - injuries
>William Green - LOL
>TJ Duckett - LF is waaaaay better than him.
>Cadillac Williams -injury
>Ronnie Brown - Had a long career, but never was a star
>Laurence Maroney - he wasn't can't miss lol
>Trent Richardson
>Michael Bennett - was he even a 2nd rounder?
>Kevin Jones - late 1st rounder, wasn't special of can't miss
>Donald Brown - same as above
>Ryan Williams - same as above
>Knowshon Moreno - injuries & kinda small
>Felix Jones - speed back, definitely over hyped and wasn'r can't miss
>etc. etc. etc.
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>RB isn't the most easy position to evaluate and there's tons
>of potential for bust - even with guys we feel 'check out all
>the boxes.'
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40. "True, not all those guys were hyped or expected to be as good as LF"
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but, some of them like Benson, Cadillac, Brown, Richardson, McFadden, were certainly believed at the time to be can't miss prospects. Benson was a very solid player for a while, but perhaps not quite top 5 pick worthy. Injuries, questionable work ethic, and drive are all factors that can derail a RBs career with the quickness. LF is no exception.

  

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35. "I like Rueben Foster over Myles too, well"
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until he went crazy on an employee lol.



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28. "Perspective: Emmitt Smith ran a 4.55 "
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Dalvin Cook's 4.50 is just fine in my opinion. What he may lack in breakaway/long speed, he more than makes up for with his exceptional burst, acceleration, and vision. His low center of gravity and ability to shake/punish defenders serves him well too.

Obviously you want a guy with elite speed, but a 4.50 is good enough - especially if you possess the traits he has. Anything above a 4.6 is concerning unless of course you are built like the Bus or Earl Cambell.

Also, before we get ahead of ourselves, Cook ran a 4.49 to Zeke Elliot's 4.47 (not saying Cook will be as good).

Trent Richardson ran 3 sub 4.5 40s and he's been a terrible NFL back.

  

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29. "Zeke has 15 pounds on Cook though"
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you're right though.

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39. "To be fair, I haven't watched enough of Cook to make an honest eval"
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From what I've seen he does have deceptive strength - much in the same vein as Emmmitt did. His build and style of play is similar to Marshawn Lynch and Curtis Martin. Both guys were about 5'10/210 and ran the 40 in the 4.4-4.5 range. Not saying he's destined for greatness, just that his measurables combined with his on field performance make him a potentially great player.

  

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42. "I watched him a ton...he's stronger than folks prolly think..."
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he gets to the edge in a hurry. He can stop, cut and re accelerate well and is strong through contact. I like him a lot...Louis Riddick said he thinks his comp is Jamal Charles.

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43. "I like how y'all ignoring how McCaffrey BROKE the agility drills. "
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He almost broke the fucking combine record

Y'all talking dumb shit


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45. "Talking about Cook does not = ignoring McCaffrey. You are free to "
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discuss him. Literally no one is stopping you from doing so.

  

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46. "Fournette and Cook have grandma hips compared to McCaffrey"
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Hi


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47. "I'm replying to a comment about COOK...no one is talking"
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about Mccafrey, man. We saw what he did. What else should we be saying about it? If you want to beat your dick to video of him running the 40, feel free.

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48. "LMAO. dude has hit officially hit lunatic mode with this nutso agenda"
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i can't recall anyone ever being geeked up over combine numbers lol

  

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49. "especially with a bench press that locks him into 3rd down/flex option"
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50. "what did he bench?"
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would that really lock anyone into one particular position vs another?

that would surprise me given that it such a shitty indicator of strength and especially football strength.

  

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51. "i dunno if it should, but 10 reps isnt a great look"
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cook did 22...donnell pumphrey (sdsu) did 4 :/

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64. "Bwahah. He BROKE the agility drills you sad, stinky ass hoe"
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65. "10 reps really sucks considering his frame"
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but I don't see it hindering his ability as a RB.

but then again i think the bench press should be tossed completely so what do I know?

  

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69. "i had dinner in palo alto/university ave on saturday actually"
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nigerians was kinda quiet.

  

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30. "Reuben Foster tested positive for dumbass"
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dismissed from the Combine for wanting to cut the line for medical exams. apparently he pulled the 'do you know who I am?' card with a hospital employee, who told him he didn't care.

"Foster warned the man he'd put hands on him, and the employee said simply, 'Do it.'" (c) Robert Klemko, Sports Illustrated

Foster living up to the standards set by the great Rolando McClain.

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31. "John Ross III (Washington) on the board with an unofficial 4.22"
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fuck these slow-ass running backs! (c)

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36. "Long Beach!"
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Though he went to a rival high school of mines, can't take too much credit

  

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37. "official. he can run sub 4.2."
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he makes running fast look boring. looked like like he was taking a warm-up jog.

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38. "can't even get his island, doe...wasn't rockin Adidas"
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53. "Josh Malone looked good too"
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he might end up being quite the value pick

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67. "he can run but gets little separation "
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which is OK if you're a vacuum like Mike Williams, but he's soft when the ball is in the air. lets clean passes into his body and traps them.

his poor bench (10 reps) and vertical (30.5") illustrate his lack of strength against press and ability to win 50/50s in the air.

hope he can play special teams.

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55. "what's his story health wise?"
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i wouldn't mind him or engram as options in the pass game

  

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57. "legs are fine (he got cramps after his run)."
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he's having a labrum tear fixed but should be ready for the season. played w/ the labrum tear most of the season and caught 17 td's or whatever.

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32. "Curtis Samuel (Ohio State): 4.31"
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41. "I can hope for Round 2, Saints"
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he'd fit into that role that Spiller was supposed to fill quite nicely

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33. "Curtis Samuel with that BROOKLYN SPEEEEEEEEEEED"
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>there are some slow mfers here. 40 times from the RB group:
>
>Dalvin Cook, FSU: 4.50
>- not good at all.
>
>Christian McCaffrey: 4.49
>- average for his size (200 pounds). his second 40 was 4.59.
>
>Alvin Kamara, Tennessee: 4.50
>- considering he's also barely 200 pounds, nothing special.
>although he never showed breakaway speed in college; he's more
>shifty than anything.
>
>Leonard Fournette, LSU: 4.51
>- actually the better than everyone above him because he ran
>at 240 pounds.
>
>Wayne Gallman, Clemson: 4.57
>Kareem Hunt, Toledo: 4.62
>James Conner, Pitt: 4.66
>Samaje Perine, Oklahoma: 4.66
>Corey Clement, Wisconsin: 4.68
>
>- at least Perine and Conner are 230+. Clement's and Hunt's
>times are abysmal.
>
>Joe Williams, Utah: 4.40
>- helped himself a lot today among a sea of plodders.

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44. "These TEs are just as fast as the backs"
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Bunch of 250 pound dudes running 4.5s (OJ Howard just came in at 4.51)... I'd be kinda embarrassed if I was a 200 pound back and the TE is running just as fast as me

  

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52. "It's possible that the only position that requires a specific skillset i..."
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is O-line anymore

At this point, it seems like talent evaluators are veering towards an "athlete-first" kind of decision making process, opting for freaks who could play a few different positions for you and contribute all over the field. Is Khalil Mack a tried and true linebacker in the Butkus, LT, Ray Lewis kind of mold? What kind of Tight End exactly is Rob Gronkowski or Jordan Reed? And is there a position on defense that Von Miller COULDN'T play?

This is the evolution of the NFL. The alien-like athlete who you can plug almost anywhere and get production from.

  

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54. "i wouldn't go that far, but you also see a few teams trying that with O-..."
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george fant had no offensive line experience ever, no high school fb and almost no college fb experience (5th year reserve TE) to starting for the seahawks line as a rookie.

i think there are players out there like von miller that you just want to get on the field and then build around. but in general i think a lot of players have specific positions, they're just much much more athletic (and schemes are more complicated) than ever.

  

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56. "Ehhh not true. Skill still matters, as much as ever"
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It's just that the lower limit for speed increases,
so we need faster and more athletic guys at a minimum

But you must have skill. As much as ever.

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60. "very athletic group of Tight ends..."
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58. "They still start these by hand, on the runner's motion?"
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That's how I understood the combine times were done, but I may be wrong. Or maybe was right and am now wrong?

In any case, please advise.

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59. "I thought it become fully automated a few years back"
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pretty sure it's lasers on both ends now. seems like it at the starting line on the broadcast.

for most of the 2000s it was hand-timed start and electronic finish.

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62. "That makes sense"
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Thanks for the clarification.

If we're going to quibble over tenths of a second, then making it fully automated is the only way to keep that conversation coherent.

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61. "Jaylon Brown from UCLA rockin the Pattil Labelle Mohawk..."
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63. "WR Zay Jones (ECU) rising"
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6'2, 201
4.45
97th percentile broad jump
91st percentile in 20-yard shuttle
80th percentile in 60-yard shuttle
73rd percentile in three-cone

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66. "so I guess Dalvin Cook has never tested like an elite athlete"
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https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/dalvin-cook

his 40 time was actually one of his best drills. those short-area burst numbers are downright atrocious for his size (three-cone, shuttle, broad jump) and don't correlate with his on the field performance.

found out he was just as bad coming out of high school, though. numbers from a 2013 SPARQ testing camp:

5'11, 196 pounds
4.46 / 4.18 short shuttle / 110" broad jump / 30" vertical

for comparison's sake, Alabama defensive tackle Dalvin Tomlinson had the same broad jump at the combine, and he's 312 pounds. Nick Chubb was at the same SPARQ camp, and despite being similar in style and size (5'11, 217), his numbers were significantly better across the board.

weird. I guess you could argue it's a good thing, since it hasn't stopped him from playing the part in games -- which is the most important test.

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68. "Remember when the mich secondary was supposed be to better than OSU? Lol"
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Hooker and Lattimore are top-10 picks with only 1 year of experience under their belts and Conley prob just ran himself into the mid to late first round.

Meanwhile Lewis and Stribling are slow as molasses and cfb's most overrated player of all time is probably a better offensive prospect than anything else. Not sure what position he plays on defense at 5'10 213.

  

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70. "that you OE??"
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72. "nah, I'm discussing relevant combine performances for a group of players"
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along with their on-field performance and their draft projections.

the O_E comparisons are not very relevant here, sorry .

  

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73. "you're hyping 40 times"
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if you were discussing on-field performance you would have mentioned that Lewis is a 2x 1st Team All-American

and im assuming for your sake that your question about peppers's position is a cyse. otherwise i have to assume you dont watch the NFL.

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74. "im not 'hyping' 40's...im mentioning them. it's a combine thread lmao"
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nor did i have some nutso agenda dating back to last year which I'm desperately and overbearingly trying to prove correct with 100+ posts of nonsense...simply making a comparison based on predictions from yourself and others (but really mostly you, haha). so just hold the L instead of deflecting, lol.

>if you were discussing on-field performance you would have
>mentioned that Lewis is a 2x 1st Team All-American

a. LMAO that these awards mean anything and are somehow indicative of anything that goes on on the field or how it translates to the NFL. Billy Price shouldn't have been an All-American OL, JT shouldn't have been big 10 OPOY and Peppers shouldn't have been DPOY and had no business being in NYC for the heisman. these awards are a joke.

b. I never said that Jourdan Lewis is bad...just that his 40 time ran him out of the first round where he was questionable to go anyway (fact) and that the mich secondary wasnt as good as OSU's (fact).

>and im assuming for your sake that your question about
>peppers's position is a cyse. otherwise i have to assume you
>dont watch the NFL.

assume whatever you want. I'm far from the first person who see peppers having trouble fitting in on defense.

  

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75. "lol"
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i was telling him all year that our secondary was better but he didnt listen.

im not sure jordan lewis even starts for us

#DbU rolls on with another star studded draft



>nor did i have some nutso agenda dating back to last year
>which I'm desperately and overbearingly trying to prove
>correct with 100+ posts of nonsense...simply making a
>comparison based on predictions from yourself and others (but
>really mostly you, haha). so just hold the L instead of
>deflecting, lol.
>
>>if you were discussing on-field performance you would have
>>mentioned that Lewis is a 2x 1st Team All-American
>
>a. LMAO that these awards mean anything and are somehow
>indicative of anything that goes on on the field or how it
>translates to the NFL. Billy Price shouldn't have been an
>All-American OL, JT shouldn't have been big 10 OPOY and
>Peppers shouldn't have been DPOY and had no business being in
>NYC for the heisman. these awards are a joke.
>
>b. I never said that Jourdan Lewis is bad...just that his 40
>time ran him out of the first round where he was questionable
>to go anyway (fact) and that the mich secondary wasnt as good
>as OSU's (fact).
>
>>and im assuming for your sake that your question about
>>peppers's position is a cyse. otherwise i have to assume
>you
>>dont watch the NFL.
>
>assume whatever you want. I'm far from the first person who
>see peppers having trouble fitting in on defense.

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71. "CB Jalen Tabor (Florida) ran a 4.63/4.68?"
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good gracious. that's his draft stock getting hit by 2008 recession.

Josh Norman and Brandon Browner were the last two corners who stuck in the NFL with times that slow. but there are dozens more who barely managed a cup of coffee.

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77. "Tabor runs a hand-timed 4.75 at Florida pro day"
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this man has slow in his bones. who the hell runs slower on their pro day on a college track? I figure plenty of NFL teams will absolutely never draft a corner that slow, for good reason.

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78. "Does this guy not have an agent or something"
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You figure if he was timing that slow in training (or more likely not training at all) they'd figure out some sort of injury he had.

Think Jamal Adams can start planning that trip he's owed now.

  

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79. "good point."
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these agencies front all money for those expensive pre-draft camps; did nobody realize Tabor ran the 40 like a defensive lineman while training?

there was talk about him being a top 10 pick two years ago...now we find out that Blaine Gabbert would beat him in a footrace.

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80. "Is he playing football or trying out for the US track team?"
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I never understood the fascination with the 40 and how a slow time will hurt your draft prospects.
Prospects spend months practicing the 40 yard dash. Practicing a start position they will never use on the field. Using running technique they will never use in a game. But some how this provides information?

You know this dude's competition. You've seen him play. Is he a good player or not?


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will_5198
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82. "arguable to a point...but there are limits"
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and 4.7 seems like damn near the slowest a cornerback could run and be able to play in the NFL.

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81. "I honestly thought he was better than hargreaves 2 years ago"
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teez tabor regressed last year for sure. still was a good collegiate corner thoug

When you add in his 40 times, I don't see him getting drafted until the 3rd round at the earliest.

  

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76. "Mixon ran a 4.47 with 35 vert and 21 reps @ 225"
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83. "another running back light years better than Ed's son"
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84. "Chill before OE comes through and defends his nubian white king"
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