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"2016/17 Trade Deadline Post"


          

And we have a trade!

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/827234781666693121

Miles Plumlee for Roy Hibbert and Spencer Hawes!

Most likely a salary dump for Milwaukee, who just gave Plumlee 4 years, 52 million. Hibbert is gone after this season; Hawes has a 6 million dollar player option for next year.

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First post SC jump regret trade...
Feb 02nd 2017
1
GOOD! He'd be ideal to back up Zeller.
Feb 02nd 2017
2
*whew* i forgot Roy signed w/Charlotte
Feb 02nd 2017
3
remember when Hibbert was "the next dominant big man"? wow
Feb 02nd 2017
4
Never forget
Feb 03rd 2017
5
Tom Haverford won.
Feb 03rd 2017
6
I always had concerns about his durability over the long haul
Feb 15th 2017
111
Bulls discussing a trade for Okafor.
Feb 03rd 2017
7
LOL what does Emeka have left? That dude is done.
Feb 03rd 2017
8
I hate you.
Feb 03rd 2017
9
I laughed
Feb 03rd 2017
13
I laughed like a crazy person. well done
Feb 04th 2017
18
      RE: I laughed like a crazy person. well done
Feb 13th 2017
68
Jah needs to leave Philly, but what an awful fit that'd be.
Feb 03rd 2017
10
What time WOULD be a good fit for Jah's skill set?
Feb 04th 2017
19
      Teams that play a slower pace. Teams with shooters.
Feb 04th 2017
20
      That's a fair assessment, hopefully he finds a better situation
Feb 04th 2017
22
      You think Jah can increase his range like Brook did?
Feb 07th 2017
43
      Kevin Duckworth era
Feb 04th 2017
21
Bulls looking for a millennial Eddy Curry?
Feb 03rd 2017
11
daaaaamn, GarPax....back at it again with the non-fitting pieces
Feb 03rd 2017
12
That's almost a worse fit than the Sixers
Feb 03rd 2017
14
RE: Bulls discussing a trade for Okafor.
Feb 03rd 2017
15
More carnage & crime in the innercity streets of Chicago? Sad!
Feb 03rd 2017
16
philly needs a guard. We'll give them Huertas
Feb 03rd 2017
17
AAAND, GarPax is gonna be back next season. (swipe)
Feb 07th 2017
45
Pelicans now talking to Philly about Jah
Feb 06th 2017
23
RE: Pelicans now talking to Philly about Jah
Feb 06th 2017
25
godspeed to the kid...
Feb 06th 2017
27
The Pels shouldn't offer a 1st, I say Omer and a 2nd.
Feb 06th 2017
28
      I think a lotto-protected first would be fine.
Feb 06th 2017
29
           Nah, I'd rather have a 1st rounder with promise than a young..
Feb 06th 2017
30
                What if there aren't any UK players available with their pick tho?
Feb 06th 2017
34
                This isn't an agenda thing. I was as high on Jah as you guys were.
Feb 06th 2017
36
                don't you dare fuck this up for me
Feb 06th 2017
35
                     I'm saying. He is O.B.E. Enes without the boards & efficiency.
Feb 06th 2017
37
mah Pels are trying to get Jahlil (link)
Feb 06th 2017
24
I'll try to be as fair as possible in my assessment.
Feb 06th 2017
26
      I'll wait until it's done before I say anything.
Feb 06th 2017
31
           Can't wait till y'all blame AD for Jah getting benched nm
Feb 06th 2017
32
                -^^^sees it
Feb 06th 2017
33
vlade: "stop calling!!!"
Feb 07th 2017
38
Lol, they are gonna be stuck in perpetual purgatory
Feb 07th 2017
39
Good dude..so over his head...
Feb 07th 2017
40
$219 over 5???? jeeeeez.
Feb 07th 2017
41
Hmm. Depends on who is offering what.
Feb 07th 2017
42
I mean theyve had some really interesting pieces there over the years
Feb 07th 2017
44
I'm curious what Danny Ainge has in mind. Patiently waiting
Feb 08th 2017
46
whatever it is
Feb 08th 2017
47
He's probably calling Orlando with low ball offers for Ibaka
Feb 08th 2017
48
he'll do nothing and make up lies about how close he was after
Feb 08th 2017
49
Hasn't that been the story for like two years now?
Feb 08th 2017
50
Noooooooo! Mason Plumlee to Denver for Nurkic and a 1st.
Feb 12th 2017
51
NOPE!!!! portland has no fucking future. he gon eat next to jokic.
Feb 12th 2017
52
He had a shot at solidifying that role
Feb 12th 2017
53
Portland got over. Did Denver need a backup that badly?
Feb 12th 2017
54
Was surprised they gave up a first.
Feb 12th 2017
56
Woulda been nice to see Plumlee stick around. I'm not too familiar with....
Feb 12th 2017
55
He's an RFA and Portland has a lot of money already committed
Feb 12th 2017
57
Great deal for Portland IMO, untangle some money, add a first
Feb 15th 2017
113
sure. Birdman traded
Feb 13th 2017
58
Shoulda signed Yogi nm
Feb 13th 2017
59
RE: Shoulda signed Yogi nm
Feb 13th 2017
60
      What they need is a Barea type player & Yogi is it
Feb 13th 2017
70
a 2nd rd pick for a $1.6M exp contract?
Feb 13th 2017
63
      smh i thought the hornets was getting the 2nd rounder
Feb 13th 2017
65
           it's top 55 protected, bruh. give it a rest.
Feb 13th 2017
71
re: Okafor....
Feb 13th 2017
61
nah.
Feb 13th 2017
62
yeah. he should've been traded during the off-season.
Feb 13th 2017
64
basically
Feb 13th 2017
66
it wasn't that they waited too long.... they tried to trade him
Feb 13th 2017
67
"i'm wrong in a different way...kinda"
Feb 13th 2017
69
what you're saying doesn't make any sense.
Feb 14th 2017
73
      it's simple....
Feb 14th 2017
77
           But holding out on Okafor has little to do with BPA approach
Feb 14th 2017
93
I dont think we can say they waited too long with certainty
Feb 15th 2017
114
So if they had #1, they should have taken Russell over Towns?
Feb 14th 2017
72
Actually under his logic we should've taken Winslow...
Feb 14th 2017
74
      you could draft a position of need....trade down.....
Feb 14th 2017
79
           So we tank to get high draft picks...
Feb 14th 2017
82
           lol...you're being an apologist homer
Feb 14th 2017
94
                RE: lol...you're being an apologist homer
Feb 14th 2017
96
                     man, just point to the damn standings board
Feb 14th 2017
97
                     RE: lol...you're being an apologist homer
Feb 14th 2017
98
                          21>19
Feb 14th 2017
100
           They tried to trade up for Russell
Feb 14th 2017
84
Uh, if they get another lotto pick for him, nothing was lost whatsoever
Feb 15th 2017
115
Ibaka is a Raptor
Feb 14th 2017
75
Ugh...
Feb 14th 2017
76
not sure there's anything to flip there
Feb 14th 2017
78
He's still only 21 and will eternally have potential
Feb 14th 2017
81
      At the least, he deserves a real chance
Feb 14th 2017
99
have you seen Ross play in the playoffs?
Feb 14th 2017
86
Good move for both teams
Feb 14th 2017
80
Ujiri is a G.
Feb 14th 2017
83
      Right. Good as in best of a bad situation.
Feb 14th 2017
85
      Fournier in the right system is worth 17mill under the new CBA
Feb 14th 2017
101
           agree with all of that. fournier's good. never google him tho.
Feb 14th 2017
102
           LMAO, I just read about this.
Feb 14th 2017
103
           I like Fournier. But after four years...
Feb 14th 2017
105
                They signed Biyombo & traded for Ibaka when they had Gordon/Vuc
Feb 15th 2017
106
      ehh.
Feb 14th 2017
88
           RE: ehh.
Feb 14th 2017
89
                powell's fine. we'll see what he does with a bigger workload.
Feb 14th 2017
90
                     I think they were holding out for Millsap (And where's Danny?!)
Feb 14th 2017
91
                          haha. and you know it.
Feb 14th 2017
92
                          so rozier was apparently the dealbreaker.
Feb 14th 2017
95
                               So frustrating.
Feb 14th 2017
104
                                    This was a good no trade by Danny
Feb 15th 2017
107
                                    not gonna front like I know a lot about Rozier...
Feb 15th 2017
108
                                    When all you're giving up is a marginal asset...
Feb 15th 2017
110
                                    Point taken. Big picture:
Feb 16th 2017
118
                                    yeah you're right...
Feb 16th 2017
122
                                         Post 118.
Feb 17th 2017
136
                                    If Bradley's more hurt than we're aware
Feb 15th 2017
109
That should be the nail in Hennigan's coffin
Feb 14th 2017
87
Solid in a penny thrifty sense but they just gave up two top ten picks f...
Feb 15th 2017
112
      My thing is i think (and could be wrong)
Feb 15th 2017
116
           lol...right...look at my reply above...we damn near said the same thing
Feb 15th 2017
117
           lol damn, that almost reads like some Melania shit
Feb 16th 2017
120
           They don't need him to be great, just decent
Feb 16th 2017
119
Man, someone needs to make a good move for Brook
Feb 16th 2017
121
Ibaka and Plumlee both got a Youngish player back + a 1st rounder
Feb 16th 2017
123
Boston or NO make the most sense
Feb 16th 2017
124
Boston is giving up a lot more than NO in those deals
Feb 16th 2017
126
      RE: Boston is giving up a lot more than NO in those deals
Feb 16th 2017
128
      I would hope Rozier, Zeller, Jonas, pick would be a no brainer
Feb 16th 2017
130
           That doesnt really fit with what the Nets wanna build
Feb 16th 2017
131
                What's up with Levert's shot?
Feb 16th 2017
133
                     I think he has tools to be a good shooter
Feb 17th 2017
137
      You not looking at this right SH
Feb 16th 2017
132
           Gotcha.
Feb 16th 2017
134
Brook has a player option for next year.
Feb 16th 2017
125
Am I reading this wrong?
Feb 16th 2017
127
      I looked at Hispanos which was apparently wrong.
Feb 16th 2017
129
Pelicans are desperate & would give up multiple picks to acquire Brook
Feb 16th 2017
135
Is Stein getting his Broussard on?
Feb 17th 2017
138
Elfrid Payton would most likely be part of the deal
Feb 17th 2017
139
The way Woj is tweeting makes me think Boogie being traded is imminent.
Feb 19th 2017
140
I know, right...like the shit is getting finalized tonight
Feb 19th 2017
141
Right. Lakers got eliminated. Pels only team left.
Feb 19th 2017
142
http://tinyurl.com/z2nu392
Feb 19th 2017
143
If it was anyone else but Vivek, I'd agree.
Feb 19th 2017
144
Boogie to New Orleans (woj)
Feb 19th 2017
145
lol...his agent said they assured him they weren't trading him
Feb 19th 2017
147
Rachel Nichols just tweeted these...
Feb 19th 2017
149
Stein says Hield, Tyreke, Galloway, future 1st, future 2nd.
Feb 19th 2017
148
Not good for the Bulls
Feb 19th 2017
146
They're gonna do a 30 for 30 on this pick
Feb 20th 2017
191
BarfPacks traded 2 time all star and leader Deng for literally nothing
Feb 20th 2017
205
1st rounder, 2nd rounder, Tyreke and Hield. Wow.
Feb 19th 2017
150
this the most ass trade ever. where Basketball Reasons when you need em
Feb 19th 2017
152
PARTY DOWN BROAD STREET OVER HERE!!! (/^O^)/
Feb 19th 2017
153
Boogie must be torn: gets out of Sac but loses super-max
Feb 19th 2017
151
dang hes only gonna get 150m instead of 200m or whatever
Feb 19th 2017
155
Holy shit, what a trade for Boogie.
Feb 19th 2017
154
I don't think it makes either team better
Feb 20th 2017
156
How do you defend those two guys though?
Feb 20th 2017
159
      There's no court expansion
Feb 20th 2017
161
           They need another shooter but they aren't bad.
Feb 20th 2017
163
           It's not about the assets, just don't think they'll pair well
Feb 20th 2017
164
                Could be a rich man's Horford and Millsap.
Feb 20th 2017
166
                I think they'll score, but way more worried about defense
Feb 20th 2017
171
                Pelicans aren't worrying about the Warriors/Spurs yet.
Feb 20th 2017
173
                They are more like Z-Bo/Marc, Horford/Millsap didn't post-up much
Feb 20th 2017
212
                I dont think theyll fit well but it isnt necessarily because of shooting
Feb 20th 2017
168
                     They're gonna get killed on PnRs
Feb 20th 2017
170
                     Boogie, when locked in, is a MUCH better defender than Z-BO
Feb 20th 2017
216
                     boogie's not a bad defender at all.
Feb 20th 2017
221
                     Not sure I would call AD "an above average passer", he's average
Feb 20th 2017
217
           Boogie can absolutely play face-up offense.
Feb 20th 2017
174
I'm surprised Phoenix's offer didn't compare
Feb 20th 2017
157
      Right? And what was the demand that the Lakers wouldn't do?
Feb 20th 2017
160
      Ingram
Feb 20th 2017
162
      Shit we better be right about Ingram.
Feb 20th 2017
167
      Better be.
Feb 20th 2017
172
      Or just wait and see if Cousins will still hit free agency.
Feb 20th 2017
175
      We can't afford him.
Feb 20th 2017
177
           So I would guess the assumption is...
Feb 20th 2017
179
           Yes we can
Feb 20th 2017
190
      Not really. Boogie isn't transformational.
Feb 20th 2017
183
           i'm readin this shit like: who they think this nigga is?
Feb 20th 2017
229
      Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole
Feb 20th 2017
184
      RE: I'm surprised Phoenix's offer didn't compare
Feb 20th 2017
186
           Someone tweeted that there were better deals out there.
Feb 20th 2017
196
                Someone didn't just tweet it; DIVAC SAID IT
Feb 20th 2017
225
its about time...
Feb 20th 2017
158
THANK YOU SAM HINKE FOR CONTINUALLY WORKING IN OUR FAVOR!!
Feb 20th 2017
165
Boogie's manager: "We don't even know where to go"
Feb 20th 2017
169
i mean
Feb 20th 2017
176
Hield isn't much and the Pels won't stay in the top 10 range. WTF.
Feb 20th 2017
178
And pick, per Stein, is top 3 protected.
Feb 20th 2017
180
Haha... Buddy sucks. At least WCS gets mins now.
Feb 20th 2017
181
Cousins has made more 3s than Buddy this year.
Feb 20th 2017
182
LOL. Sounds like Vivek/Vlade have been consulting w Billy King
Feb 20th 2017
185
RE: i mean
Feb 20th 2017
187
The Kings are banking on Tyreke Evans, project big men and
Feb 20th 2017
192
      Can't imagine Evans re-signs there
Feb 20th 2017
195
      Banking on Tyreke? LMAO! (Dude is more washed up than D-Rose)
Feb 20th 2017
210
           Yeah that dude is past done. They were good to ship him.
Feb 20th 2017
227
Never thought it would happen.
Feb 20th 2017
188
The Nets-C's deal already topped it lol
Feb 20th 2017
189
      That deal made Danny Ainge a God for 10 yrs
Feb 20th 2017
193
      You right.
Feb 20th 2017
194
      Billy King was on Philly Sports Radio this morning...
Feb 21st 2017
244
no downside at all for NO. stop searching for one.
Feb 20th 2017
197
50 cent...you're being generous...
Feb 20th 2017
198
      haha. i feel you. 50¢ is about right tho.
Feb 20th 2017
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           RE: haha. i feel you. 50¢ is about right tho.
Feb 20th 2017
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                I know everyone's in a rush to kill the kings on this
Feb 20th 2017
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                     RE: I know everyone's in a rush to kill the kings on this
Feb 21st 2017
231
                          He said they had a better one 2 days prior and it was taken off the tabl...
Feb 21st 2017
233
                               yup.
Feb 21st 2017
253
                                    Some worry as well about Vivek...
Feb 22nd 2017
276
Wonder if this forces denver to counter
Feb 20th 2017
199
howard beck on Z-LO DA GAWD's podcast last week
Feb 20th 2017
201
      yea i heard that but half of the info was wrong
Feb 20th 2017
204
           Plumlee fetched Nurkic + 1st rd pick, Brook is a better player
Feb 20th 2017
209
                yea that's the deal I'm looking for
Feb 20th 2017
211
                     Do you trust Nurkic to give you 30 quality minutes on a playoff team?
Feb 20th 2017
215
Pelicans also get Omri Casspi in the deal
Feb 20th 2017
202
i always wondered why doc never made a move for casspi.
Feb 20th 2017
203
Dude can't defend the three
Feb 20th 2017
218
He was as good as Ryan Anderson last season: http://bkref.com/tiny/B9lYG
Feb 20th 2017
214
Hope C's go after Terrence Jones
Feb 20th 2017
206
Trade James Young to Sacto...
Feb 20th 2017
207
Willy's improved play is actually why they didn't mind dumping Boogie
Feb 20th 2017
213
I wouldn't mind James in NO. But I want T-Jones in D.C.
Feb 20th 2017
219
does James Young have any value?
Feb 20th 2017
222
      He doesn't have much value. Not sure TJones does either.
Feb 20th 2017
223
      Blasphemy!
Feb 21st 2017
245
      He's hooping now. Still young, but finally looks committed...
Feb 21st 2017
246
Isaiah Thomas tweeted the eyes emoji; Twitter going crazy
Feb 20th 2017
224
Drummond?
Feb 21st 2017
248
Rose/Rubio deal in the works?
Feb 20th 2017
226
That's not a good idea for Minny unless Rose comes off the bench
Feb 20th 2017
228
Rose would be one year stop gap. They'd dump Pekovic
Feb 21st 2017
230
      obviously if Boston can get Butler they have to, but
Feb 21st 2017
237
           maaan that would be a haul for the knicks. If i'm boston, i ain't giving
Feb 21st 2017
238
           I like Jaylen more than whatever that Nets pick will be in 2018
Feb 21st 2017
239
           Doubt Ainge offers a Nets pick for 'Melo.
Feb 21st 2017
240
                RE: Doubt Ainge offers a Nets pick for 'Melo.
Feb 21st 2017
241
                It's not "sneakily" if it costs a Nets pick.
Feb 21st 2017
247
                agreed unfortunately
Feb 21st 2017
242
Windy just said Detroit also interested in Rubio, but...
Feb 21st 2017
232
that's just usual clickbait
Feb 21st 2017
234
Hard pass
Feb 21st 2017
235
lets do this.
Feb 21st 2017
236
Does Thibs hate Wiggins and Towns
Feb 21st 2017
243
      He must really hate Rubio.
Feb 21st 2017
251
           RE: He must really hate Rubio.
Feb 21st 2017
252
Let's see what marks nets for Bogdanovic
Feb 21st 2017
249
Couple teams goin after Lou...Wiz willing to give a protected first
Feb 21st 2017
250
EDIT wrong place
Feb 21st 2017
260
Lou Williams to the Rockets.
Feb 21st 2017
254
fuck, man...I'd kill for Lou Williams in OKC
Feb 21st 2017
255
Smart trade....
Feb 21st 2017
256
For a 2017 1st and Brewer
Feb 21st 2017
257
Seems like a weird for Houston
Feb 21st 2017
261
They needed another scorer to help rest Harden and Gordon
Feb 21st 2017
264
      that's kind of what i expect...
Feb 21st 2017
266
      Moving Beverly to the bench weakens their defense substantially tho
Feb 21st 2017
267
           It's a bit weird, although trying to outgun the Cavs and Warriors
Feb 21st 2017
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                I'm just not sure hoping to outgun the Dubs or Cavs in a 7-game series.....
Feb 21st 2017
269
Feels like a good deal for both teams.
Feb 21st 2017
271
It could never be regulated but should almost be illegal for agent gms
Feb 21st 2017
258
I want the Celtics to bring Nerlens home to Boston and keep the BK picks
Feb 21st 2017
259
Sure that sounds great. But for what besides James young
Feb 21st 2017
262
      James Young, a pot of chowder, and good vibes.
Feb 21st 2017
263
      Yep. Ainge probably tops out at Rozier, Zeller and C's 2018 pick.
Feb 21st 2017
265
      Package Avery, Rozier, Young, and C's 2018. Or maybe Smart straight up.
Feb 21st 2017
270
thinly sourced rumors of Paul George to Celtics
Feb 21st 2017
272
To me, a PG13 deal is when and not if.
Feb 22nd 2017
273
Pacers are in the same situation as Vince in Toronto w/ a young Bosh
Feb 22nd 2017
274
Bird is not blowing up a 6th seed....
Feb 22nd 2017
275
Bird better learn to love that treadmill then. cause they have no future
Feb 22nd 2017
277
Pacers interested in Jah to get PG help
Feb 22nd 2017
279
      ......so he can warm the bench w/ Big Al?
Feb 22nd 2017
286
Butler may go to Boston if Ainge give up Crowder?
Feb 22nd 2017
278
If we're going through Cleveland, we need Crowder (or another F)
Feb 22nd 2017
280
Get Jimmy now and worry about the Cavs next year
Feb 22nd 2017
281
I don't disagree. I just get why Ainge is holding out.
Feb 22nd 2017
283
hol up
Feb 22nd 2017
282
      He's solid but C's have nobody else if he's gone.
Feb 22nd 2017
285
           Trade for PJ Tucker & call it a day
Feb 22nd 2017
287
They don't want to give up the Nets pick (swipe)
Feb 22nd 2017
308
      Yeah. A+ lowballing by Ainge right there.
Feb 22nd 2017
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      not even sure where the convo starts
Feb 22nd 2017
310
Rubio to Knicks
Feb 22nd 2017
284
LOL
Feb 22nd 2017
288
i'm convinced more than ever than boston isn't gonna do shit.
Feb 22nd 2017
289
https://twitter.com/Melanism/status/834494458569883648
Feb 22nd 2017
291
Eh. If they still have money for free agents he's better off
Feb 22nd 2017
295
Rox want Shump, but say Cavs want Pat Bev back and they aint...
Feb 22nd 2017
290
Bogdanovic to Wizards
Feb 22nd 2017
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N/M
Feb 22nd 2017
293
      only a wiz first rounder makes sense.
Feb 22nd 2017
294
           Bigger Deal
Feb 22nd 2017
296
                Nets got a slightly better pick (right today) than La did for Lou Willz
Feb 22nd 2017
297
                     Probably factored in Nicholson salary dump.
Feb 22nd 2017
298
                     They can stretch him if they want
Feb 22nd 2017
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                     But had to take on 21 mil in dead money...
Feb 22nd 2017
299
                     That's basically why it was a 1st instead of a 2nd
Feb 22nd 2017
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                          If they offered their 2nd instead of a first there wouldn't have been a ...
Feb 22nd 2017
303
                     To pick up 1 more year of dead weight money
Feb 22nd 2017
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Ersan to ATL for Tiago + 2nd rounder + 2nd round pick swap
Feb 22nd 2017
304
free Dario!who has been ballin
Feb 22nd 2017
305
May Ersan ball out for Atlanta, one of my fav short term ballers for Phi...
Feb 22nd 2017
306
Nice trade...
Feb 22nd 2017
307
bulls trying to sell philly on mirotic / okafor swap, per woj:
Feb 23rd 2017
311
MIght be the best they can get for Okafor, to be honest.
Feb 23rd 2017
312
niko fell off a wile e coyote cliff, but i still haven't given up on him...
Feb 23rd 2017
313
Terrible landing spot for Okafor.
Feb 23rd 2017
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      It's almost the worst possible spot.
Feb 23rd 2017
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      It's better than where he is.
Feb 23rd 2017
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RE: bulls trying to sell philly on mirotic / okafor swap, per woj:
Feb 23rd 2017
316

gmltheone
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Thu Feb-02-17 02:39 PM

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1. "First post SC jump regret trade..."
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Frank Longo
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Thu Feb-02-17 02:49 PM

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2. "GOOD! He'd be ideal to back up Zeller."
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The weird minutes and rotations had led to a massive drop in Miles's efficiency. Hopefully a change of scenery is exactly what he required.

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Cold Truth
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Thu Feb-02-17 02:52 PM

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3. "*whew* i forgot Roy signed w/Charlotte"
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Thu Feb-02-17 02:52 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

I was worried that we did something like we did with Aaron Mckie for Pau, only to do it for a branch of the Plum tree.

  

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4. "remember when Hibbert was "the next dominant big man"? wow"
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5. "Never forget"
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6. "Tom Haverford won."
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111. "I always had concerns about his durability over the long haul"
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But I figured he could be a valuable take-up-space guy on defense for a long time.

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7. "Bulls discussing a trade for Okafor. "
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If this happens this board is going to explode.

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8. "LOL what does Emeka have left? That dude is done."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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9. "I hate you."
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13. "I laughed"
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18. "I laughed like a crazy person. well done"
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68. "RE: I laughed like a crazy person. well done"
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Same

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Frank Longo
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10. "Jah needs to leave Philly, but what an awful fit that'd be."
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Hoiberg: "Hey, I want to play an uptempo offense, reliant on quick possessions, ball movement, and three-point shooting."

GarPax: "Let's get you a slow big man who can't shoot and moves the ball poorly."

The one upside is that I'd hope that Jah's passing and/or hustle would improve under Hoi. Odds are Hoi wouldn't look to feed the post at all, he'd just tell Jah "put all your energy into rebounds and kick-outs." Wouldn't be a bad lesson for him to learn, although it'd be a huge pill for Jah's pride to try to swallow to be essentially relegated to role player.

Still, young talent that can carve out a role stays on the court, and the only way to improve your standing in the league is to stay on the court.

But I'm betting this wouldn't happen. Unless Hoi gets canned. Which would be another bad move, imo. But that's a different post.

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19. "What time WOULD be a good fit for Jah's skill set?"
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20. "Teams that play a slower pace. Teams with shooters."
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Really, any team could use a guy with his body-- he just has a few important skills to develop still, so if any team wants to get some immediate production from him, it should be a team that plays more half-court ball than transition ball, and a team with legit shooters that could spread the court. One of the things that made him such a stud at Duke was the shooting around him-- kept defenses from just flooding the interior when he'd catch-- and that was definitely a problem his rookie year (among other individually-induced problems, obviously). Caused his FG% to go down, his TO% to go up.

The obvious *best case* scenario is to get him to San Antonio somehow, to let Pop coach him up. Christ, I'd murder a puppy to get him there. Other places I'd like: Toronto, Boston, Milwaukee, Utah. I also wouldn't mind him being part of the Dallas rebuild. I'm less concerned about him immediately developing on his potential, as that's simply not realistic with how this season in particular has gone (it'd be nice, but I'm more concerned with him getting better than living up to the hype at this moment). I want a place that plays a pace that would suit his skills, and a place with some shooting/coaching around him.

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22. "That's a fair assessment, hopefully he finds a better situation"
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43. "You think Jah can increase his range like Brook did?"
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Brook basically did that in 1 summer once the new team and offense were put in place.

The more Ive watched Brook, I realize how special he is offensively, and I dont think Jah is that good. But he's certainly young, and doesnt have terrible mechanics.

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21. "Kevin Duckworth era"
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RIP

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11. "Bulls looking for a millennial Eddy Curry?"
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Is is fair to compare Okafor to Eddy Curry? I'm bored at work, so I'm not putting to much thought into that comparison.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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12. "daaaaamn, GarPax....back at it again with the non-fitting pieces"
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14. "That's almost a worse fit than the Sixers"
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15. "RE: Bulls discussing a trade for Okafor. "
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Nah man...Nah....

GarPax need to be shown the door...Like right now....

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16. "More carnage & crime in the innercity streets of Chicago? Sad!"
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17. "philly needs a guard. We'll give them Huertas"
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and a bag of butt plugs

I'd say we could offer the dildos but we'll need those to unload LuozGov

  

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45. "AAAND, GarPax is gonna be back next season. (swipe)"
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Playoffs or not.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-forman-paxson-jobs-safe-bulls-spt-0208-20170207-story.html

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23. "Pelicans now talking to Philly about Jah"
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Sam Amick says Philly is pushing for NO's first rounder. Can't imagine Okafor's value is that high. Maybe a lotto protected first.

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25. "RE: Pelicans now talking to Philly about Jah"
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Chatter I read said that Philly would have to take Ajinca or Asik to wrestle the protected first from N.O.
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27. "godspeed to the kid..."
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28. "The Pels shouldn't offer a 1st, I say Omer and a 2nd. "
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29. "I think a lotto-protected first would be fine."
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Especially if the Sixers relieve them of that albatross (pun?) of a contract that Asik has.

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30. "Nah, I'd rather have a 1st rounder with promise than a young.."
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dude with visible flaws that limits the way you can play on both ends of the court.

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34. "What if there aren't any UK players available with their pick tho?"
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36. "This isn't an agenda thing. I was as high on Jah as you guys were."
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Check the tape.

That being said. What is Brow gonna do with a big who needs touches in the wings, doesn't rebound or play D?

Absolutely nothing.

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35. "don't you dare fuck this up for me"
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Party line is Jah will blossom in a new environment and Brow covers his warts. If you can't say that, say nothing.

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37. "I'm saying. He is O.B.E. Enes without the boards & efficiency."
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That's a waste of 1st round pick.

#FreeNerlens

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24. "mah Pels are trying to get Jahlil (link)"
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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/2/6/14526362/jahlil-okafor-trade-sixers-pelicans-rumors-nba

How good is he? I see his point totals are high. It would be great to have a 5 who can score to complement Brow.
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26. "I'll try to be as fair as possible in my assessment."
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Pros:
- yes, he can score down low. Great feet, great hands. Especially if the court can be spread with shooters, and if Brow plays facing the basket, you could do far worse in terms of fit.
- loads of potential-- been a winner at every level until the pros, where things soured quickly, but it's easy to see how he could contribute if properly developed.

Cons:
- he won't help you win now, as he needs to do some serious work, particularly in terms of defense and defensive rebounding.
- he has physical limitations in terms of how the game is played today-- he's not laterally quick, so he can't defend the wing or stretch bigs on the perimeter AT ALL, and won't ever be able to. He also still gets burned on PnR, which is, y'know, bad. In a game that is increasingly fast-paced, shoot often, run often-- he isn't a shooter and he's not fast. He's an old school big in a world that has increasingly little use for an old school big. Even if he does improve his defense and defensive rebounding and plays to his potential, one could see him becoming a dinosaur.

I think for a New Orleans team that isn't in "win now" mode, picking up a 21-year-old who was an elite prospect two years ago really can't hurt at all. He has more potential than Asik or Ajinca, that's for sure, and he's got another three years on his rookie deal, so if he *does* start meeting his potential, you'd have a bargain. He just comes with risk that he can't adapt to this game, that he'll never play acceptable defense, and you'll have wasted a draft pick in trading for him. So take all of that for what it's worth.

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31. "I'll wait until it's done before I say anything."
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32. "Can't wait till y'all blame AD for Jah getting benched nm"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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33. "-^^^sees it"
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38. "vlade: "stop calling!!!""
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The speculation can end. General managers around the NBA can stop wondering if they have the goods or the nerve to deal for DeMarcus Cousins.

Kings GM Vlade Divac emphatically tells Marc Stein of ESPN that there is no way that the 26-year-old All-Star center will be traded by Sacramento.

"We're not trading DeMarcus," Divac said to ESPN. "We hope he's here for a long time.”


Sources told ESPN that Divac recently met face to face with Cousins and his representatives to make it clear that the 26-year-old is not being made available to interested teams and encouraged them to ignore any media speculation leading up to the trade deadline.

ESPN reported in early January that the Kings already have begun planning to offer Cousins one of the league's new maximum Designated Player contract extensions -- estimated to be in the $219 million range over five seasons -- once the league's new collective bargaining agreement takes effect in July.

Asked by ESPN on Monday about their intentions, Divac said: "We are going in that direction."


Cousins and the Kings have never reached the playoffs in his first six NBA seasons. Going into Monday night’s home game against Chicago, the Kings were 20-31 and 2.5 games out of the final playoff spot in the Western Conference.

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39. "Lol, they are gonna be stuck in perpetual purgatory "
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It's great.

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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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L D E A

  

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40. "Good dude..so over his head..."
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Even if you don't trade cousins do you really lose any leverage you had?


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41. "$219 over 5???? jeeeeez."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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42. "Hmm. Depends on who is offering what. "
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If everyone is lowballing him than this makes sense.

-A guy like Cuz doesn't fall from the sky
-Sacto isn't a FA attraction on any level
-Coaching and FO have been a mess for a while now
-They lack both quality young, 1st contract players and attractive veterans under long term old CBA deals to use as trade chips.

They're stuck in a buyers market where everyone knows they're a dumpster fire and they'd be trading for a known headache.

It does make some sense to try to just try to ride out that storm and hope he gets his head out of his.... but I still think Vlade needs to burn the whole thing down and start over.

Frankly I'd try to ship him to any team with a top five pick this season and fill in the blanks but that's me. Without some research I'm not sure if that's a deal better to strike on draft day or what but they'd be better off trying to find someone to take him for a draft pick.

  

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44. "I mean theyve had some really interesting pieces there over the years"
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for one they had IT, who for all intents and purposes played well for them. Well enough to not get traded for nothing.

lol they drafted Whiteside and Biyombo

Trob, Mclemore, and Stauskus didnt pan out. They had some other hindsight options they couldve taken.

Got Rudy Gay...

WCS and Marqueese Chriss. Just seems like they need to come up with a fuckin plan. Geez.

Maybe all the bigs they've drafted was in hopes one of them would pan out enough for them to get Cousins.

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46. "I'm curious what Danny Ainge has in mind. Patiently waiting"
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47. "whatever it is"
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it won't happen because Ainge will overvalue his players and no rival GMs want to be Ainge's next victim so there will be a lot of talk and no action.

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48. "He's probably calling Orlando with low ball offers for Ibaka"
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And in the end, we'll give up something small for Tyson Chandler or something.

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49. "he'll do nothing and make up lies about how close he was after"
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Cold Truth
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50. "Hasn't that been the story for like two years now?"
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Ainge sitting on a supposed wealth of assets and looking to deal?

  

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51. "Noooooooo! Mason Plumlee to Denver for Nurkic and a 1st. "
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DAMMIT, Mason fit so well in Portland. Was looking really great. Dammit dammit dammit.

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Basaglia
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52. "NOPE!!!! portland has no fucking future. he gon eat next to jokic."
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53. "He had a shot at solidifying that role"
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He's good in WS but for Portland he hasn't been doing it for themnoffensively and definitely not defensively. Nurkic can at least give them the post presence


I think he can be a perfect backup big for Denver

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54. "Portland got over. Did Denver need a backup that badly?"
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56. "Was surprised they gave up a first. "
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It's Memphis's so it'll be a mid-first but I'm surprised they had to add that to make the deal.

Nurkic will be a good fit for Portland. Should add some low post offense for them. Plumlee is an interesting fit for the Blazers. I wonder if they finally move Faried now that they have Plumlee or if Plumdogg's just going to be their big off the bench.

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55. "Woulda been nice to see Plumlee stick around. I'm not too familiar with...."
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Nurkic, I just hope he's not another jump shooter. Blazers need someone to get them some easy baskets.

Plumlee helped the Blazers get open shots and set greats screens, he was really playing well this season. I'm surprised they dealt him.

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57. "He's an RFA and Portland has a lot of money already committed "
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If they were going to re-sign him, I highly doubt they would have sent Plum to a team competing with them for the 8th slot. Rather, Portland now gets a cost controlled replacement C and another 1st rounder in a deep draft...great move.

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113. "Great deal for Portland IMO, untangle some money, add a first"
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Lose no bodies in their rotation either.

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58. "sure. Birdman traded"
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Chris Andersen - F/C - Hornets
The Cavaliers have traded Chris Andersen (knee) to the Hornets in exchange for cash and a second-round pick.
Anderson will not play this season due to a torn right ACL and the Cavs needed to move him to open up another roster spot -- expect them to pursue a backup PG or center. This also increases the likelihood of Derrick Williams sticking with the Cavaliers. Andersen is hoping to play one more season in the NBA, but he's going to be 39 years old when he hits free agency this summer.

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59. "Shoulda signed Yogi nm"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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60. "RE: Shoulda signed Yogi nm"
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I think Yogi's run is fine but dont know what long term projections are. Who nows he could be the next IT3, but from what I saw so far from him he wasnt better than any of the guards the Nets kept.

Dinwiddie was probably the one dude I wouldnt have signed and just rocked with Yogi, Kil, Lin, and Whitehead


But if its between Whitehead adn Yogi, Id take Whitehead

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70. "What they need is a Barea type player & Yogi is it"
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>I think Yogi's run is fine but dont know what long term
>projections are. Who nows he could be the next IT3, but from
>what I saw so far from him he wasnt better than any of the
>guards the Nets kept.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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63. "a 2nd rd pick for a $1.6M exp contract?"
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okay

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65. "smh i thought the hornets was getting the 2nd rounder"
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These gms bending over to help cleveland lol. They tryna get a ring vicariously or something?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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71. "it's top 55 protected, bruh. give it a rest. "
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61. "re: Okafor...."
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whatever the Sixers get for him..... the drop in value from where he was drafted, to what they got for him in a trade...hopefully that puts to rest the ridiculous idea of teams drafting best player available for positions they already have guys for...rather than drafting for positions they actually need...

whatever the Sixers get for Okafor.... that value is the value of a "lottery pick" and they obviously won't get that value...

draft picks are far more valuable as draft picks...rather than guys who have played and everyone sees their shortcomings...

  

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62. "nah."
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drafting for value / BPA rather than position is fine. they just waited too long to move him.

this one situation isn't some referendum on the philosophy as a general concept.

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64. "yeah. he should've been traded during the off-season. "
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As for the philosphy...

We could've had aaron gordon or marcus smart instead of Embiid.

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66. "basically"
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>drafting for value / BPA rather than position is fine. they just waited too long to move him

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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67. "it wasn't that they waited too long.... they tried to trade him"
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and nobody was offering what the Sixers viewed as enough...

now they'll get even less than that...

  

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69. ""i'm wrong in a different way...kinda""
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73. "what you're saying doesn't make any sense."
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so if they had the #1, they should have taken russell over towns? just because they already had a center? how would that have worked out?

if okafor was the highest rated player on their board then it made sense to take him where they did. they could have traded him the summer after his rookie season. or the February of his rookie season. or the day they drafted him.

they just waited too long to trade him.

it doesn't make any sense to say, hey we need a point guard, let's take the best one available, even though we have 10 players at other positions ranked higher than him.

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77. "it's simple...."
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>so if they had the #1, they should have taken russell over
>towns? just because they already had a center? how would that
>have worked out?
>
>if okafor was the highest rated player on their board then it
>made sense to take him where they did. they could have traded
>him the summer after his rookie season. or the February of his
>rookie season. or the day they drafted him.
>
>they just waited too long to trade him.
>
>it doesn't make any sense to say, hey we need a point guard,
>let's take the best one available, even though we have 10
>players at other positions ranked higher than him.


they have drafted too many 4s and 5s ...with the idea that they could make a trade..... but the value they will get back in the trade is far far below the value of where they drafted the guy in the first place....

Okafor has been available for a trade since after his rookie season..the fact that he wasn't traded was not because the Sixers were not willing to trade him....they didn't feel like what they would get in return was enough...

again..now they'll get even less...

  

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93. "But holding out on Okafor has little to do with BPA approach"
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They were offered solid value for Okafor and turned it down. They overvalued him and misplayed their hand. And then Okafor's gone out and made it worse with his play this season.

None of this really affects the Best Player Available approach. Things wouldn't be better if Robert Covington was outplaying Mario Hezonja right now.



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114. "I dont think we can say they waited too long with certainty"
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His value would have been highest on draft day, yes, but the ownership was committed to him. Some speculate Hink Dogg wanted Dat Zingis and the ownership overruled him. If that were the case--they didn't even want the very next player taken--they certainly were not open to trading down/out either.

If some of the reports flying around now are true, his trade value is every bit as high as it was during the offseason if not higher given the lack of available pieces on the market.



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72. "So if they had #1, they should have taken Russell over Towns?"
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And it's not like Mudiay, Hezonja, and Winslow are exactly lighting up the NBA. Booker's really the only guard available at that point who they'd rather take and nobody was taking Booker #3.

It's also tough to fault the pick since Hinkie made it but then Colangelo was the one who refused to deal Okafor this past offseason. I think Hinkie probably would have jumped at the C's deal of the #3 for Okafor (if that was a legit rumor.)

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74. "Actually under his logic we should've taken Winslow..."
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We would've already drafted Elfrid Payton instead of Dario Saric.

And this year we would be drafting no one because our guards would be Payton and MCW, plus we would owe our pick to Orlando for the Andrew Bynum debacle.

Sixers fans keep saying it, but we were fucked up before. Not just the talent level, but we owed 1st round picks to like 3 teams and all we had to show for it was arnette moultrie and jason richardson.


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79. "you could draft a position of need....trade down....."
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or trade for a guy who plays a position you need..

instead of ending up with 4 guys who play the same position...and trying to make trades to get far less than a lottery pick value in return.

  

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82. "So we tank to get high draft picks..."
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Only to trade down to fill positional needs.

Bruh...stop typing today.


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94. "lol...you're being an apologist homer"
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trying to justify drafting the same guy like 4 years in a row...

a strategy that not only no other team has implemented...but one that has obviously failed the sixers...

  

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96. "RE: lol...you're being an apologist homer"
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>trying to justify drafting the same guy like 4 years in a
>row...
>
>a strategy that not only no other team has implemented...but
>one that has obviously failed the sixers...
>
>


We didn't draft the same guy and you know that. And it hasn't failed us because we have Embiid, Simmons, and Saric. You can keep harping all you want about draft slots and positions. But some teams believe that the point of the draft is to get the most talented players. Period.

Imagine GSW had passed on steph because of his ankles and they already had Monta Ellis.


Once again. Nothing to apologize for. We're better than the Lakers RIGHT NOW and set up better for the future. And that's after giving you a 9-10 win head start. With no ben simmons and Embiid missing 20 games. LOL Be my guest and root for some more lakers wins. I want that pick this season so I can act a fool and troll TF out of you.





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97. "man, just point to the damn standings board"
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and stop arguing for now

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98. "RE: lol...you're being an apologist homer"
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>>trying to justify drafting the same guy like 4 years in a
>>row...
>>
>>a strategy that not only no other team has implemented...but
>>one that has obviously failed the sixers...
>>
>>
>
>
>We didn't draft the same guy and you know that. And it
>hasn't failed us because we have Embiid, Simmons, and Saric.
>You can keep harping all you want about draft slots and
>positions. But some teams believe that the point of the draft
>is to get the most talented players. Period.


but you also have Nerlins and Okafor....using lottery picks. Whatever you get with trades of those guys is going to be compared to the position they where Nerlins and Okafor were drafted...

and there are teams that are always in the lottery...there are some that are in it for a few years and end up improving over time to NOT be in the lottery.

the goal is to put a team on the court that is going to get better and win...


>Imagine GSW had passed on steph because of his ankles and they
>already had Monta Ellis.

but see Monta Ellis is a proven player in the NBA.... you know you're going to be able to trade him for some value because teams have seen him be successful in the league...

unlike drafting guys who haven't been proven hoping to trade them


>
>Once again. Nothing to apologize for. We're better than the
>Lakers RIGHT NOW and set up better for the future. And that's
>after giving you a 9-10 win head start. With no ben simmons
>and Embiid missing 20 games. LOL Be my guest and root for
>some more lakers wins. I want that pick this season so I can
>act a fool and troll TF out of you.


yeah...the Sixers aren't better than the Lakers...they have a better record by a couple of games and we've played more games on the road....in a tougher conference..... the Lakers are in a solid position moving forward.... we got a Center for our future...drafted in the 2nd round...any trade we make aren't to fix any log jams at any position...


nobody is trolling the Sixers...they've been sorry for quite a number of years are on another tank mission...

so lets see what if anything they get back for Okafor and/or Nerlins....

  

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100. "21>19"
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84. "They tried to trade up for Russell"
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They couldn't get the Lakers to bite on a deal so trading up was out. They were a rebuilding team so they wouldn't want a veteran for #3 and if a young player was worth that pick, odds are that they team wasn't going to deal them for Okafor.

And if they had picked 'Zingis, none of this would be an issue. It's not that they went for the best man available, it's that they were wrong on who the best man available was.

Again, the problem isn't that they drafted Okafor, it's that they didn't trade him this past offseason. Hinkie should have pulled the trigger when the C's offered the Nets pick at the deadline. Colangelo should have made the deal before the draft.

Don't forget, it wasn't like Embiid and Noel were sure things at the time either.

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ConcreteCharlie
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115. "Uh, if they get another lotto pick for him, nothing was lost whatsoever"
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Wed Feb-15-17 12:58 PM by ConcreteCharlie

  

          

Think the Lakers could get more for Russell right now? Bwahahahaha. Also at the time the Lakers needed a center.

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75. "Ibaka is a Raptor"
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Orlando has agreed to trade Serge Ibaka to Toronto for Terrence Ross and a 2017 first-round pick, league sources tell @TheVertical.National Writer (twitter.com)
submitted 7 minutes ago by NuggetsPotRoastBoobs


Gotdamn they got a 1st round this year for an expiring contract? Thats pretty solid. Tross about to put up some good numbers on bad team

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76. "Ugh..."
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They turned Oladipo and the 11th pick into Terrance Ross and a pick in the 20's. LOL

I like Ross tho. They need to flip henzonja at some point.


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78. "not sure there's anything to flip there"
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They need to flip henzonja at some point.
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81. "He's still only 21 and will eternally have potential"
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99. "At the least, he deserves a real chance"
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It takes some time to acclimate to the NBA, let alone for a 19 year old (now 21) who has been yanked around minutes-wise for an organization with seemingly no direction. His confidence has to be at zero.

I would love to buy-low on a kid with his talent and place him into a team and development first atmosphere.

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86. "have you seen Ross play in the playoffs?"
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Tue Feb-14-17 12:32 PM by denny

          

He's been an absolute embarrassment. Couldn't even put him on the floor type of embarrassment.

And we're talking 5 or 6 series worth of sample size. Dude does NOT care about basketball or is just really, really shy and scared. He'll shoot well in low-intensity games during the season though. He'll drop 20 or 25 in an empty arena or quiet game a few times a season.

  

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80. "Good move for both teams"
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It's a risk but TRoss hasn't really proven himself to be a tough commodity to replace and a late first isn't worth THAT much. The Raptors have to try to win now and there isn't a better deal out there for what they had to offer.

The Magic went win now and didn't. Nice of them to get something for Ibaka but it really makes you wonder how much longer Rob Henigan has left there. As noted, a bad return on the investment they made on Ibaka. It's better than getting nothing back for Tobias Harris but Henigan's managed his assets into the ground. Not sure any of his picks have a higher value than they did a year ago.

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83. "Ujiri is a G. "
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>It's a risk but TRoss hasn't really proven himself to be a
>tough commodity to replace and a late first isn't worth THAT
>much. The Raptors have to try to win now and there isn't a
>better deal out there for what they had to offer.
>
>The Magic went win now and didn't. Nice of them to get
>something for Ibaka but it really makes you wonder how much
>longer Rob Henigan has left there. As noted, a bad return on
>the investment they made on Ibaka. It's better than getting
>nothing back for Tobias Harris but Henigan's managed his
>assets into the ground. Not sure any of his picks have a
>higher value than they did a year ago.

Hennigan not so much. This is a good deal only in the sense that you got something for a guy you were definitely going to lose. The bigger question is how you even got there.

He's giving away all these assets for less value.


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85. "Right. Good as in best of a bad situation."
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Too many GMs don't acknowledge the bad situation and end up watching the guy walk.

I've said for a few years now that the Magic should be packaging their assets for vets. Now they're mired in NBA purgatory and basically need a miracle lotto win to get them out since none of their guys have value. They'll have money to spend this offseason but not sure who would want to go there right now.

Oh, and LOL at 17 million a year for Biyombo. He and Fournier eating up 34 million of the owner's money might be the biggest sin of all.

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101. "Fournier in the right system is worth 17mill under the new CBA"
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>Oh, and LOL at 17 million a year for Biyombo. He and Fournier
>eating up 34 million of the owner's money might be the biggest
>sin of all.

When you have Parson making 22mill per, Fournier making 17mill isn't much to complain about.

He's a better offensive player than Oladipo who's on the books for 21mill per & Clarkson got every dime under the "Arenas provision" but is getting badly outplayed by Lou/Swaggy. Fournier on the Spurs would be the best guard on the team & worth every dime of his 17mill contract.

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102. "agree with all of that. fournier's good. never google him tho."
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103. "LMAO, I just read about this."
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105. "I like Fournier. But after four years..."
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Orlando's offseason was what I hate - people overpaying to get their 4th or 5th starters when they don't have any of their top three stars set. Adding another 10 million on Terrence Ross probably isn't getting the books headed in the right direction IMO.

I get they had to pay Fournier so they didn't lose him for nothing but after four years of rebuilding Henigan now has Fournier, Biyombo, and Ross eating up nearly half of his payroll. That's not a recipe for future employment.


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106. "They signed Biyombo & traded for Ibaka when they had Gordon/Vuc"
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>Orlando's offseason was what I hate - people overpaying to
>get their 4th or 5th starters when they don't have any of
>their top three stars set. Adding another 10 million on
>Terrence Ross probably isn't getting the books headed in the
>right direction IMO.

They should have gone after Barnes & moved Gordon to the 4 then tried to run teams off the floor instead of signing Vogel (responsible for the Biyombo/Ibaka moves) who is a shitty offensive coach that had George Hill spotting up for 5 years as if he was Mario Chalmers. (Now he has Hezonja rotting on the bench)

Hornacek was the coach they should have gone after & Vogel would also have been a better fit for the Knicks.

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88. "ehh."
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i'm the biggest masai fan here, but they waited way too long on this.

it was an obvious hole in their roster construction that they tried to paper over with half-measures, and by waiting until they were in a state of desperation it ended up costing them a guy in ross that they really didn't want to relinquish.

that said, ibaka's a massive upgrade at the 4 who is playing well and will help them a lot. they still probably can't beat cleveland but it's a far more interesting series now.

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89. "RE: ehh."
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>i'm the biggest masai fan here, but they waited way too long
>on this.
>
>it was an obvious hole in their roster construction that they
>tried to paper over with half-measures, and by waiting until
>they were in a state of desperation it ended up costing them a
>guy in ross that they really didn't want to relinquish.
>
>that said, ibaka's a massive upgrade at the 4 who is playing
>well and will help them a lot. they still probably can't beat
>cleveland but it's a far more interesting series now.


Not sure they didnt want to relinquish Ross. They have a capable replacement in Powell.

Masai is good still not great. Im interested to see what happens to Casey. Word is Lowry wants him out too.

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dula dibiasi
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90. "powell's fine. we'll see what he does with a bigger workload."
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from all i've heard, they really didn't want to give up ross, and just changed their thinking on that in the last day or two.

but this is a good move for them. they're a better team than they've shown over the last 14 games. this is the type of aggressive move they needed to make to right the ship.

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91. "I think they were holding out for Millsap (And where's Danny?!)"
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I don't think it's a coincidence that the day after Atlanta says that Millsap isn't going anywhere that Toronto makes the Ibaka happen.

I think the "We want to keep Ross" talk was a bit of a smokescreen. He was always going to be a part of a deal; he's their only real movable asset and he's not THAT great to be untouchable.
I'm mostly bummed that a so-so wing and a late first is what it took to get the deal done and the Celtics are still sitting on the sidelines. Ibaka would have been an interesting option alongside Horford. Danny probably offered James Young and a 2nd

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92. "haha. and you know it."
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aka "the danny special"

>probably offered James Young and a 2nd

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95. "so rozier was apparently the dealbreaker."
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*snigger*

gotta love danny.

...

The Raptors acquired forward Serge Ibaka from the Magic, but the Celtics passed on a potential Ibaka deal because of a reluctance to part with second-year guard Terry Rozier, according to CelticsBlog.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2017/2/14/14611328/source-celtics-orlando-magic-trade-talks-over-serge-ibaka-stalled-out-terry-rozier-toronto-raptors

Orlando sent Ibaka to Toronto for Terrence Ross and a 2017 first-round pick. The Raptors (32-23) have fallen to the fifth spot in the East, four games behind the No. 2 Celtics (36-19), who trail the East-leading Cavaliers (37-16) by two games.

The knee injury to the Cavaliers' Kevin Love, who'll be out at least six weeks after surgery, has convinced Toronto to go all in, according to the CelticsBlog report.

Sources: Toronto became motivated to go all in with Love injury news. Some around the NBA believe he may not make it back this year.
— Keith Smith (@KeithSmithNBA)
February 14, 2017

The Celtics, according to the report, are not interested in giving up assets, including first-round picks and prospects such as Rozier (averaging 5.6 points, 1.7 assist, 3.1 rebounds and 18.0 minutes per game), for short-term acquisitions (the 6-foot-10 Ibaka is a potential free agent) that do not clearly put them over the top for title contention.

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104. "So frustrating."
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I like Rozier and he's improved a ton since last season but we already have Zeke, AB, and Smart and are going to have a top 3 pick in a point guard heavy draft, we can afford to move him to help win this season. Isaiah and Horford aren't getting any younger.

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107. "This was a good no trade by Danny"
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Ibaka is a worse rebounder than Amir Johnson right now (rebounding rate), and is not quite killing it as a shot blocker anymore. You don't give up assets for marginal improvement.

  

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108. "not gonna front like I know a lot about Rozier..."
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but with regards to Ibaka...if you're looking for a banger, rebounder, rim protector...that's just now who he is anymore. Can he get back to that? I dunno. He's basically gonna float out on the wing and around the 3pt line on offense and play some weak side defense.

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110. "When all you're giving up is a marginal asset..."
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Not sure why you'd expect more than marginal improvement. You're not getting a home run trade with Zeller, Rozier, and a 2018 late first.

EDIT: My guess is that if Ibaka had another year on his contract, Danny would have pulled the trigger on the deal. But Danny's not someone who's going to risk trading a prospect for half a season.

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118. "Point taken. Big picture:"
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Rozier is insurance in the event that Danny pulls a major trigger and ends up parting with Smart or Bradley. Flexibility for the big move.

  

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122. "yeah you're right..."
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a significant positional upgrade (ibaka is currently 9th among PFs in overall player efficiency, while johnson is 33rd) and a much better chance at winning the conference this year certainly isn't worth giving up your 10th man.

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136. "Post 118. "
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109. "If Bradley's more hurt than we're aware"
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then holding on to Rozier makes sense.

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87. "That should be the nail in Hennigan's coffin "
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Terribly constructed team with poor drafting...and now you waste two of your best bullets in exchange for Ross and a late 20's pick.

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112. "Solid in a penny thrifty sense but they just gave up two top ten picks f..."
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It's not like Oladipo was a bust and they just drafted Sabonis.

More wheel-spinning from Orlando but yeah given the situation right now they salvaged a suspect decision by getting good return for Ibaka.

I like the move for Toronto not so much from an asset management standpoint but in terms of making a push.

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116. "My thing is i think (and could be wrong)"
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but the Ibaka of old is washed.

Hes basically reduced to floating around the perimeter, being a mediocre rebounder, and sometimey rim weakside rim protector.


Sure he's solid and better than anything the raptors were running out at 4, but he also isnt gonna move the needle.

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117. "lol...right...look at my reply above...we damn near said the same thing"
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120. "lol damn, that almost reads like some Melania shit"
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hahha

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119. "They don't need him to be great, just decent"
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Is this going to get them past the Cavs? No. Might it make the difference against an earlier round opponent like Boston? Sure. The Raptors would like to win two series, get experience and sell tickets. This move helps them do that at a not-so-high cost. I don't think they were satisfied with what they had. This takes their pressure off their main guys. I doubt another player will move who 1) would help them more and 2) was attainable for them.

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121. "Man, someone needs to make a good move for Brook"
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Id actually love brook to stay in Brooklyn with Lin for another year as they start to put more puzzle piueces together, but some contender could really use him --even if its more as a specialist center.

You get him for this season + 1, and he seems like the type of guy that would stay loyal and re-sign afterwards if it was the right fit.


I think Boston could really use him actually. Definitely not at the cost of giving Brooklyn the pick back, but there could be a mutually beneficial deal there.


He'd also help the Wiz and him and Gortat could work 24 mpg. I know the wiz wouldnt trade Otto, but thats supposed to be the nets big FA target this summer. They will max him out and let the Wiz match.

He'd make a nice Spur but dont really see a trade that makes sense there.

The Rockets could use his size. Theyve been getting killed by big teams like Mia and Utah. Brook has dominated Whiteside this year h2h offensively.

I think he'd help Portland into the playoffs and could split with Nurkic. But I doubt Portland trades for another C even though they have the picks the Nets covet.

Hell, I think for all the fringe west teams besides Sac:
NO
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He would make them the co-favorite with Den for the 8th seed.

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123. "Ibaka and Plumlee both got a Youngish player back + a 1st rounder"
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and Brook is more valuable than both those guys IMO

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124. "Boston or NO make the most sense"
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But at 28 and an offensive asset...BK ain't giving him up for peanuts.

BOS should send a few young pieces (Smart or Rozier + jaylen), LA+Clev+Min 2017 second rounders, Memphis' 2019 1st rounder and maybe a few of their younger C's (olynyk and zeller).

That might get it done...though Brooklyn will likely want their 2018 1st back. If BOS agreed to that, I would protect for anything above top 2. So if BK isn't 1 or 2 in the draft, we still get the pick.

NO just doesn't have the assets. What, this years 1st, Tyreke and Tim Frazier?

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126. "Boston is giving up a lot more than NO in those deals"
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Jaylen/Smart are more valuable than 'Reke and Frazier. Add in that Evans is an expiring deal and it isn't close IMO.

I think the best option is likely reuniting the Lopez Bros in the United Center - Rondo (for salary reasons), Dougie McBuckets, Denzel Valentine, and/or Bobby Portis for Lopez

Demps is fighting for his job so he might have extra reason to make a deal for a potential half year rental to get the 8th seed but the Pelicans would have to give up Evans, Frazier, and Galloway to make the money work, plus a likely pick. Betting on AD, Brook, and Jrue to make it through the second half unscathed with a thin bench is tough and then you have to re-sign Brook and Jrue.

Ainge is going to see Evans and Frazier as the lead assets in the New Orleans rumor and take any top asset off of the table. On top of that, to make the money work, we'd have to throw in another body like Jerebko which I'm sure Ainge will see as reason to lesser the key assets going forward. Ainge would probably want Brook to pick up his option and still only offer Amir, Rozier, Jerebko and the C's 2018 first.

On a different front, might OKC look at dealing Kanter for Brook and maybe Bogdanovich? BK gets a younger big who is locked up for a couple of years. OKC replaces the injured Kanter with a vet and gets help at the SF spot.

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128. "RE: Boston is giving up a lot more than NO in those deals"
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I think that NO deal that was being floated around was trash.
Tyreke while talented isnt the type of culture fit the Nets are building with and they have a lot of young 1/2s theyre trying to develop that would suffer.Frazier, same...they dont really need another mediocre pg. Galloway, again...The value is the 1st round pick, but if its not this year, to me, who cares too.


I think realistically from Boston Id ask for some combo or one of these guys
Zeller
Jonas
Smart
Rozier
Jaylen

and some pick. I dont think they should give this years 1st obviously, and maybe next year's 1st from Brooklyn is too much too. Just send them the 2018 Boston 1st if its still available.

>Jaylen/Smart are more valuable than 'Reke and Frazier. Add in
>that Evans is an expiring deal and it isn't close IMO.
>
>I think the best option is likely reuniting the Lopez Bros in
>the United Center - Rondo (for salary reasons), Dougie
>McBuckets, Denzel Valentine, and/or Bobby Portis for Lopez
>
>Demps is fighting for his job so he might have extra reason to
>make a deal for a potential half year rental to get the 8th
>seed but the Pelicans would have to give up Evans, Frazier,
>and Galloway to make the money work, plus a likely pick.
>Betting on AD, Brook, and Jrue to make it through the second
>half unscathed with a thin bench is tough and then you have to
>re-sign Brook and Jrue.
>
>Ainge is going to see Evans and Frazier as the lead assets in
>the New Orleans rumor and take any top asset off of the table.
>On top of that, to make the money work, we'd have to throw in
>another body like Jerebko which I'm sure Ainge will see as
>reason to lesser the key assets going forward. Ainge would
>probably want Brook to pick up his option and still only offer
>Amir, Rozier, Jerebko and the C's 2018 first.
>
>On a different front, might OKC look at dealing Kanter for
>Brook and maybe Bogdanovich? BK gets a younger big who is
>locked up for a couple of years. OKC replaces the injured
>Kanter with a vet and gets help at the SF spot.

I think they wouldnt do that unless they get a pick back too.
They may be able to move Bogdanovich separately, and I think hes the Net most likely to get moved

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130. "I would hope Rozier, Zeller, Jonas, pick would be a no brainer"
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I'm sure Ainge is hoping for a younger superstar in return for a package including Smart or Brown. Jaylen is a wild card at this point so tough to give up on him. Smart is kind of a rich man's Tony Allen to me. Defensive menace, offensively has potential that will probably never reach the point of where you want to have to actually depend upon him but he can put up some points.

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131. "That doesnt really fit with what the Nets wanna build"
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>I'm sure Ainge is hoping for a younger superstar in return
>for a package including Smart or Brown. Jaylen is a wild card
>at this point so tough to give up on him. Smart is kind of a
>rich man's Tony Allen to me. Defensive menace, offensively has
>potential that will probably never reach the point of where
>you want to have to actually depend upon him but he can put up
>some points.
>
>
Unless you believe Rozier has a high ceiling. Zeller and Jerebko fit the culture of the Nets but they have guys like that. Both those guys I think youd agree are pretty much maxed out ceiling wise.

Zeller for example isnt necessarily better than Booker. Its another body and if you give up Brook you definitely need another guy that can play C since Justin Hamilton is meh.

I think they want a #1 plus a guy with the potential to be decent.
Not even superstar level, but someone with the upside of potential upside of Caris Levert even if he never gets there.

Again I think Boston fans would argue that Rozier is in that class of player, but then there's redundancy with him and Levert.

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133. "What's up with Levert's shot?"
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I thought he was supposed to be a good shooter but he's barely above 30% from three. I really like Levert but I'd put Rozier in the same level, maybe a little higher. If Levert can get his shot back, he and Rozier might be a decent backcourt duo. Or, at least, one could start and the other could be sixth man when they get a better guard.

Smart and Brown are just better prospects than Caris and Brook doesn't help Boston's defense or rebounding enough for them to really be in the discussion.

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137. "I think he has tools to be a good shooter"
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>I thought he was supposed to be a good shooter but he's
>barely above 30% from three. I really like Levert but I'd put
>Rozier in the same level, maybe a little higher. If Levert can
>get his shot back, he and Rozier might be a decent backcourt
>duo. Or, at least, one could start and the other could be
>sixth man when they get a better guard.
>
>Smart and Brown are just better prospects than Caris and Brook
>doesn't help Boston's defense or rebounding enough for them to
>really be in the discussion.


But honestly I'm getting more and more skeptical of how shooting percentages in college translate to NBA. It's a different game in terms of spacing and distance and I don't think you can easily say a 38% shooter there will be one in the NBA.


Keep in mind he was out for a long time with the injury and didn't have a long offseason to work in the NBA shot.


I think his best asset is his versatility. At his best I don't know he's a superstar but hopefully becomes the kind of player Otto porter is

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132. "You not looking at this right SH"
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>Jaylen/Smart are more valuable than 'Reke and Frazier. Add in
>that Evans is an expiring deal and it isn't close IMO.

I said NO doesn't have the assets.

>I think the best option is likely reuniting the Lopez Bros in
>the United Center - Rondo (for salary reasons), Dougie
>McBuckets, Denzel Valentine, and/or Bobby Portis for Lopez

We not sending Denzel. Maybe Taj. I'd be ok with this but we'd need another (or 2) 3pt shooters. And probably need to fire Hoiberg as he wouldn't be able to do anything with this roster lol

>Ainge is going to see Evans and Frazier as the lead assets in
>the New Orleans rumor and take any top asset off of the table.
>On top of that, to make the money work, we'd have to throw in
>another body like Jerebko which I'm sure Ainge will see as
>reason to lesser the key assets going forward. Ainge would
>probably want Brook to pick up his option and still only offer
>Amir, Rozier, Jerebko and the C's 2018 first.

The reason I went with my deal was:

1) To keep Bk from asking for the 2017 swap and 2018 #1 back.
2) They still have Zizic and Yabeusele (sp?) in the tank so they can spare Zeller/Olynyk (and may need to).
3) Clear some of that 2nd round pick clutter. The C's should be contending for the next 7 years if they do this right. Young high lotto talent and a top tier playoff team happening at the same time.

Ainge has worked wonders but he has to be looking at the future too.

He might have Fultz or Ball this year. Another top 3 pick next year. And depending on if the Clippers blow things up or not, could have another lotto pick in 2019. Add those picks to the current overseas stashes and the guys currently in their primes pushing the top of the East and there's a monster to be made.

Adding Brook to Horford, IT3 and Bradley gives them a super solid core for 2-3 years (assuming they reup Brook). Then your young high lotto talent and overseas stashes fill out the roster around bargain vets. You got a shot at winning today AND in the near future.

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134. "Gotcha. "
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I just don't think Brook's worth that much to the Celtics.

I think I might max out on Zeller, AB, and lotto protected C's 2018 pick. If Marks wants (as rumored) two firsts, see if a third team wouldn't ship a first for Bradley. C's haven't skipped a beat since AB's been out so I might be willing to part with him and promote Smart to full-time starter.

I'd just prefer a defensive monster over Brook if we're giving up one of our core guys.

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125. "Brook has a player option for next year."
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And given his health, it would be dumb of him to agree to pick it up. He's another foot injury away from losing millions of dollars.

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127. "Am I reading this wrong?"
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>And given his health, it would be dumb of him to agree to
>pick it up. He's another foot injury away from losing millions
>of dollars.

http://hoopshype.com/player/brook-lopez/salary/

What player option? Wouldnt it be blue if it were?

I saw another site that didnt list it as an option.


Also, I dont think his injury issues will ever be free and clear but the last 3 seasons he's missed under 10 games-- some of that is just due to rest.

Nets are doing a good job managing his minutes and resting on back to backs. Dont know if his new team would do that, but it seems like he's moving towards Ilgauskus levels of health after a terrible career start. (Knock on wood)

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129. "I looked at Hispanos which was apparently wrong."
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http://en.hispanosnba.com/salaries/teams/brooklyn-nets

But Howard Beck tweeted at the time that there was no player option. https://twitter.com/HowardBeck/status/616275449400963072

My bad.

That definitely helps what the Nets could ask for but I still wouldn't offer Smart or Jaylen for him. And I'm not a huge fan of either guy.

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135. "Pelicans are desperate & would give up multiple picks to acquire Brook"
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I think the Nets want picks more than anything & they could do Demps dirty just like Ainge did em dirty by offering Brook/Bogdan & taking Asiks contract for multiple 1st rd picks.

I'm not sure the Pelicans could do better than this line-up:

Brook
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138. "Is Stein getting his Broussard on?"
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Reporting that Pistons and Magic discussed Reggie Jackson for Jeff Green and DJ Augustin.

I'm not fan of Reggie but that seems like an awful return for him. I just read a lengthy article about how Reggie's struggled to return from injury but Detroit is still in no rush to move him and also, if this is all they are looking for, how has nobody made an offer to make the deal happen?

I could see this being Orlando's offer but you'd think one of their disappointing young guys would be going to Detroit in return, at least.

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139. "Elfrid Payton would most likely be part of the deal"
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>Reporting that Pistons and Magic discussed Reggie Jackson for
>Jeff Green and DJ Augustin.
>
>I'm not fan of Reggie but that seems like an awful return for
>him. I just read a lengthy article about how Reggie's
>struggled to return from injury but Detroit is still in no
>rush to move him and also, if this is all they are looking
>for, how has nobody made an offer to make the deal happen?
>
>I could see this being Orlando's offer but you'd think one of
>their disappointing young guys would be going to Detroit in
>return, at least.

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140. "The way Woj is tweeting makes me think Boogie being traded is imminent. "
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141. "I know, right...like the shit is getting finalized tonight"
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142. "Right. Lakers got eliminated. Pels only team left."
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144. "If it was anyone else but Vivek, I'd agree."
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I feel like that dude could all of a sudden change his mind again and say Boogie is off the table. That being said, all of the rumblings say it is close to done.

Kind of surprised that the Pelicans' offer is the best they can do. Buddy Hield and two picks? I wonder if Vivek saw the Rookie Game and was impressed.

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145. "Boogie to New Orleans (woj)"
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https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/833537296007823361

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147. "lol...his agent said they assured him they weren't trading him"
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149. "Rachel Nichols just tweeted these..."
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https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/833536379770462210/photo/1

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148. "Stein says Hield, Tyreke, Galloway, future 1st, future 2nd."
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But he forgot Hield in his first tweet so who knows.

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146. "Not good for the Bulls"
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We needed that pick to fall outside of 10 to get it.

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191. "They're gonna do a 30 for 30 on this pick"
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LOL, you guys won't get it until like 2022

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205. "BarfPacks traded 2 time all star and leader Deng for literally nothing"
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If that Kings pick is top ten this year we get a protected 2nd round pick. What a joke.

Hope that protest game makes some waves and the arena keeps looking empty and quiet.

  

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150. "1st rounder, 2nd rounder, Tyreke and Hield. Wow. "
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152. "this the most ass trade ever. where Basketball Reasons when you need em"
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153. "PARTY DOWN BROAD STREET OVER HERE!!! (/^O^)/"
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(/^O^)/ PICK SWAP FOR BALL OR FULTZ, OVER HERE OVER HERE!!! \(^O^\)

  

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151. "Boogie must be torn: gets out of Sac but loses super-max"
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I could be mistaken but I think the super-max is only available to people who are still on the team that drafted them so he's losing money. But might be worth it to get out of Sacramento. Pels aren't the best organization but they are better than Sac-town. Boogie and AD will be fun to watch.

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155. "dang hes only gonna get 150m instead of 200m or whatever"
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154. "Holy shit, what a trade for Boogie."
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156. "I don't think it makes either team better"
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Confusing all around
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159. "How do you defend those two guys though?"
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161. "There's no court expansion"
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5 guys in the paint.

I'm way lower on Boogie than most, but his and AD don't fit in today's NBA.


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163. "They need another shooter but they aren't bad."
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Jrue hitting 39% this year. Moore at 38%. Hell, Boogie shooting 35% this year. AD's jumper is good enough to feed off of Boogie in the paint.

Asset-wise, it's a win for NO. They didn't give up much to get a bona-fide All-Star. And they could have a fired up Boogie for the 2nd half of the season.

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164. "It's not about the assets, just don't think they'll pair well"
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They'd need 3 dead eye shooters for this to work. And Boogie to get better
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166. "Could be a rich man's Horford and Millsap."
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They're 2.5 games out of the playoffs. I think this deal should get them in.

It's not a deal without issues but I think Cousins fits with AD better than Asik does. And I think Alvin Gentry is a good enough offensive mind to figure out how to play these guys together.

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171. "I think they'll score, but way more worried about defense"
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But in the West? How does this help them against the Warriors or Spurs?
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173. "Pelicans aren't worrying about the Warriors/Spurs yet."
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The Pelicans want to make the playoffs. This helps them. Maybe they don't fit but if they don't, the Pels can probably get back a similar return this offseason.

The Pelicans were a team with limited assets and were going nowhere. They're now going to be one of the most intriguing teams in the 2nd half of the season. They've become relevant beyond the "Should they trade AD?" rumors that were starting.

No one trade was turning the Pelicans into the Spurs or Warriors. But they turned Hield and a mid-first rounder into an All-Star which is too good to pass up.

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212. "They are more like Z-Bo/Marc, Horford/Millsap didn't post-up much"
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Worst case scenario: Amare/Shaq circa '08-'09

Best case scenario: Z-Bo/Marc

Realistically: Amare/Melo circa '10-'11

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168. "I dont think theyll fit well but it isnt necessarily because of shooting"
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and spacing.

Like soul honky says, both guys arent traditional old school bigs. They can bothe play the high post and boogie can hit the 3.

My bigger question is how Gentry will make them work. Both are playmaking bigs who have the ball a lot for modern bigs, and theres only one ball. But both are above average passers.

I imagine a lot of high low looks. Defensively AD will be able to help Cuz a lot.

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170. "They're gonna get killed on PnRs"
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Boogie is a shit defender
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216. "Boogie, when locked in, is a MUCH better defender than Z-BO"
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>Boogie is a shit defender
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221. "boogie's not a bad defender at all."
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he's actually pretty good. when he tries.

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217. "Not sure I would call AD "an above average passer", he's average"
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>Like soul honky says, both guys arent traditional old school
>bigs. They can bothe play the high post and boogie can hit the
>3.

When Jrue has been healthy, the Pelicans were at their best running PnRs but I feel like Boogie might turn the offense into a bunch of isolation sets (especially w/ the lack of shooters) ala the Knicks after the Melo trade.


>My bigger question is how Gentry will make them work. Both are
>playmaking bigs who have the ball a lot for modern bigs, and
>theres only one ball. But both are above average passers.

If you look at what he did w/ the Shaq/Amare Suns, he fed the ball to Shaq & had Amare playing at the elbow or running PnPs w/ Nash. In this case, they could run their offense through Boogie in the post & have AD play at the elbow or run PnPs w/ Jrue. Basically, no more AD/Jrue PnRs b/c Boogie is going to be camping in the paint.

>I imagine a lot of high low looks. Defensively AD will be able
>to help Cuz a lot.

If Gentry is smart they should, Marc/Z-Bo who used to feast off high/lows when Z-Bo used to duck in every time down the floor. The difference is that AD would be the one playing at the high post instead of Boogie who's the superior passer.

AD isn't a better passer than Z-Bo who is actually one of the best interior passers in the league which is why double teams don't fluster him.

Defensively, AD is much been better at the 5 b/c his PnR coverage is underwhelming for a mobile big. The Asik/AD frontline used to get murdered by PnRs.

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174. "Boogie can absolutely play face-up offense."
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Easily. He's been doing it.

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157. "I'm surprised Phoenix's offer didn't compare"
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with the chance to pair up with Booker.....but then again, could be Sarver

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160. "Right? And what was the demand that the Lakers wouldn't do?"
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Bizarre that there appeared to be a bidding war and that's all they got.

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162. "Ingram"
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167. "Shit we better be right about Ingram. "
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172. "Better be."
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175. "Or just wait and see if Cousins will still hit free agency."
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Then get him for free *and* have Ingram.

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177. "We can't afford him."
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But that said, we've been burned by a center in the past so...I get the hesitation.

Id want to keep Ingram and DLo - anyone else can go, but I hope we're right.

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179. "So I would guess the assumption is..."
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... that any deal that would've sent Ingram would've included Deng and Mozgov or something like this, in order to allow Cousins to be signed long-term? I guess?

I just understand why, if Cousins either (a) couldn't be immediately signed for a long contract or (b) wasn't a guarantee to sign with another team why LA would hold onto assets and wait instead.

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190. "Yes we can "
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We're sitting at right under 30 million this year, and that's including Lou + Tarik who come off the books after next season (the former probably this season considering his value is at an all time high).

Even w the Moz and Deng deals, we set ourselves up to have a near max slot. Push comes to shove, cut Moz and use the extend provision to space out his salary cap hit over more years.

Regardless, the dude I want is PG14. We have to show steady improvement next year as well to have a chance at him.

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183. "Not really. Boogie isn't transformational. "
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229. "i'm readin this shit like: who they think this nigga is? "
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he ain't never made the playoffs. he 27. he shoot 45% from the field. he needs the ball.

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184. "Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole "
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Talent is undeniable but that attitude and childishness is unbearable.

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186. "RE: I'm surprised Phoenix's offer didn't compare"
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I'm surprised NO ONE else's offer in the league didn't compare....I don't get it....

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196. "Someone tweeted that there were better deals out there."
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The Kings fell for Buddy Hield so they went with the lesser offer to get him.

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225. "Someone didn't just tweet it; DIVAC SAID IT"
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Weirdest explanation of a trade ever?


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18727486/kings-gm-vlade-divac-says-received-better-demarcus-cousins-trade-offer-2-days-ago


Asked why he didn't wait until closer to Thursday's trade deadline to make a move, he said, "Most likely we would get less, because I had a better deal two days ago."

As to why those talks didn't result in a trade, Divac said to "talk to those agents, what do they say? I don't want to go into details. I don't want to discuss the process."

In the trade announced Monday, the Pelicans received Cousins and swingman Omri Casspi while sending Buddy Hield, Tyreke Evans, Langston Galloway, a 2017 first-round pick and a 2017 second-rounder to the Kings.

A front-office source familiar with the Kings' thinking said owner Vivek Ranadive's adoration of Hield was a key driver in the deal. "Vivek thinks Buddy has Steph Curry potential," the source told ESPN's Baxter Holmes.

"He's talented guy,'' Divac said of Hield. "His work ethic is exactly what we want here.''


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158. "its about time..."
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..its really stupid that the situation went on as long as it has, but i'm just happy its over.

cousins & davis could be an interesting foundation.


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165. "THANK YOU SAM HINKE FOR CONTINUALLY WORKING IN OUR FAVOR!!"
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169. "Boogie's manager: "We don't even know where to go""
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https://twitter.com/Andrew_Rogers_/status/833548155077722116

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176. "i mean"
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per kevin o'connor:

There were objectively better deals available for the Kings, but since they think so highly of Buddy Hield, that's the direction they went.

Kings view Buddy Hield as a top 5 pick, per source. In their eyes they received a top 5 talent and a top 10 pick, if Pelicans stay mediocre.

  

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178. "Hield isn't much and the Pels won't stay in the top 10 range. WTF."
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180. "And pick, per Stein, is top 3 protected."
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It's a late lotto pick at best. Deep draft but they're basically all-in on Hield.

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181. "Haha... Buddy sucks. At least WCS gets mins now. "
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182. "Cousins has made more 3s than Buddy this year."
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I like Buddy just fine... as a PIECE. He's the guy you pick if you need a shooter to support your main two stars or something.

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185. "LOL. Sounds like Vivek/Vlade have been consulting w Billy King"
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Garbage return. Only fitting for Sac.

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187. "RE: i mean"
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>per kevin o'connor:
>
>There were objectively better deals available for the Kings,
>but since they think so highly of Buddy Hield, that's the
>direction they went.
>
>Kings view Buddy Hield as a top 5 pick, per source. In their
>eyes they received a top 5 talent and a top 10 pick, if
>Pelicans stay mediocre.


This^^^^is why the Kings r shit....

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192. "The Kings are banking on Tyreke Evans, project big men and"
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whatever they can get in the next couple of drafts. They're literally right back to where they were before they drafted Cousins.

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195. "Can't imagine Evans re-signs there"
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He's an expiring deal.

It's all-in on Hield.

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210. "Banking on Tyreke? LMAO! (Dude is more washed up than D-Rose)"
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227. "Yeah that dude is past done. They were good to ship him."
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188. "Never thought it would happen."
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But a team finally topped that disastrous Sixers Suns trade for Barkley.

Holy shit.. how did that phone call work?

Hey Dell heard your looking at Reke, 2017 protected pick for Jah. Throw in Buddy and a 2nd and we'll give you Boogie.

Milliseconds later - DEAL!

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189. "The Nets-C's deal already topped it lol "
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Two stars on their last legs for 3 unprotected 1st rounders. Unfuckingheard of.

This and the Barkley deal certainly nestle in right under but nothing tops that Nets trade.

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193. "That deal made Danny Ainge a God for 10 yrs"
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>Two stars on their last legs for 3 unprotected 1st rounders.
>Unfuckingheard of.
>
>This and the Barkley deal certainly nestle in right under but
>nothing tops that Nets trade.


He really doesn't have to do any real work until 2020 lol

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194. "You right. "
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Always get the feeling that deal feels incomplete because everyone keeps talking about what ainge is going to do with those picks.

THIS was supposed to be the deal to make with some of those assets. Guess it's Jimmy Butler or bust now.

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244. "Billy King was on Philly Sports Radio this morning..."
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Guess he's an authority on bad trades. LOL

Still talking that McGrady deal that ALMOST happened.


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197. "no downside at all for NO. stop searching for one."
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they got an all-star in his prime for 50¢ on the dollar, and can still flip him this summer if it doesn't work.

masterful job by their FO.

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198. "50 cent...you're being generous..."
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>they got an all-star in his prime for 50¢ on the dollar, and
>can still flip him this summer if it doesn't work.
>
>masterful job by their FO.


This is pennies on a dollar. Embarrassing. I'm surprised the NBA hasn't stepped in to dead this shit. If someone told me the Kings FO was all drunk when they signed off I wouldn't be suprised.

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200. "haha. i feel you. 50¢ is about right tho."
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a player asset like buddy hield and a mid 1st rounder is about half of what you'd expect to get for a guy like cousins.

his value is depressed somewhat by his awful attitude, loserness, and known status as a crazy person, and the team trading him is run by incompetent bozos, so this is the type of return you get.

nobody was giving up a ton for that guy. kings got what they could. should've moved him aeons ago.

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208. "RE: haha. i feel you. 50¢ is about right tho."
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>nobody was giving up a ton for that guy. kings got what they
>could. should've moved him aeons ago.


But they didn't have to get fleeced either....

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220. "I know everyone's in a rush to kill the kings on this"
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but the market is the market. I think ppl are dramatically overestimating the guy's value.

personally I tend to err on the side of "the ppl actually involved have way more information than I do", and if this is all they got, that alone tells you what kind of offers they were looking at.

guys like mitch kupchak and danny ainge weren't about to empty their coffers and give up a ton of assets for this crazy bastard, man. lol. even as talented as he is.

I'm sure they got some offers that were comparable or even a little better overall, but I guess they viewed hield as the best individual asset of all the packages and decided to go in that direction. I'm not defending the sac FO, they're clearly incompetent. i'm just pushing back on this idea that there were these far greater offers out there to be had.

the league has spoken loud and clear on what they think of this guy.

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231. "RE: I know everyone's in a rush to kill the kings on this"
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Divac just came out and said he had better offers on the table.....

Nah....it's ridiculous....

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233. "He said they had a better one 2 days prior and it was taken off the tabl..."
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Speaking to the offers for DMC getting progressively worse and why he felt the need to pull the trigger on Sunday rather than wait any longer.

Vlade also hinted at the agent's meddling...and now we're getting reports of how the agent was informing teams that DMC very well may leave in FA.

It was a judgement call by Vlade...do I get what I can now in a fizzling market and be done with this headcase or hold out hope that someone makes a better offer as the trade deadline looms ever closer? They took the former obv.

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253. "yup."
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http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18725359
https://art19.com/shows/vertical/episodes/23d1837c-ec2c-486b-88b0-ad50527c0168

woj, windhorst, bobby marks, zach lowe, all saying the same thing: talked to multiple team execs since sunday night, and the market was severely depressed. no one was interested in taking on this guy and his prince akeemian quantity of baggage unless it was for absolute rock-bottom dirt cheap, i.e. one pick and 1 young player.

literally every team in the league could've topped that NO offer if they esteemed him highly enough to be worth it. clearly they didn't.

there's definitely a disconnect between fans' perception of his value and what actual nba FO ppl (who've seen behind the curtain and heard all the years of boogie horror stories) were willing to give up. especially with his agent explicitly telling teams he wouldn't extend.


>Speaking to the offers for DMC getting progressively worse
>and why he felt the need to pull the trigger on Sunday rather
>than wait any longer.
>
>Vlade also hinted at the agent's meddling...and now we're
>getting reports of how the agent was informing teams that DMC
>very well may leave in FA.
>
>It was a judgement call by Vlade...do I get what I can now in
>a fizzling market and be done with this headcase or hold out
>hope that someone makes a better offer as the trade deadline
>looms ever closer? They took the former obv.

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276. "Some worry as well about Vivek..."
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>http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18725359
>https://art19.com/shows/vertical/episodes/23d1837c-ec2c-486b-88b0-ad50527c0168
>
>woj, windhorst, bobby marks, zach lowe, all saying the same
>thing: talked to multiple team execs since sunday night, and
>the market was severely depressed. no one was interested in
>taking on this guy and his prince akeemian quantity of baggage
>unless it was for absolute rock-bottom dirt cheap, i.e. one
>pick and 1 young player.
>
>literally every team in the league could've topped that NO
>offer if they esteemed him highly enough to be worth it.
>clearly they didn't.
>
>there's definitely a disconnect between fans' perception of
>his value and what actual nba FO ppl (who've seen behind the
>curtain and heard all the years of boogie horror stories) were
>willing to give up. especially with his agent explicitly
>telling teams he wouldn't extend.
>
>
>>Speaking to the offers for DMC getting progressively worse
>>and why he felt the need to pull the trigger on Sunday
>rather
>>than wait any longer.
>>
>>Vlade also hinted at the agent's meddling...and now we're
>>getting reports of how the agent was informing teams that
>DMC
>>very well may leave in FA.
>>
>>It was a judgement call by Vlade...do I get what I can now
>in
>>a fizzling market and be done with this headcase or hold out
>>hope that someone makes a better offer as the trade deadline
>>looms ever closer? They took the former obv.
>

Like another day or two he could've changed his mind again.


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199. "Wonder if this forces denver to counter"
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They have a ton of assets that contenders could want. Could they package them?

This trade could mean Brooklyn holds onto Brook cause it took a potential partner away and it deflated the possibility of what they want in return

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201. "howard beck on Z-LO DA GAWD's podcast last week"
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says he talked to an unnamed exec who told him there's a zero % chance that brook moves for 2 firsts, and prolly not even 1 first.

there's just a ton of that type of player available right now via trade, so there's no real market.

every team now is trying to move these "all low-post O, no D, no 3, no rim protection, can't switch PnR" big guys, or make them 20 mpg bench guys.

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204. "yea i heard that but half of the info was wrong"
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>says he talked to an unnamed exec who told him there's a zero
>% chance that brook moves for 2 firsts, and prolly not even 1
>first.
>
>there's just a ton of that type of player available right now
>via trade, so there's no real market.
>
>every team now is trying to move these "all low-post O, no D,
>no 3, no rim protection, can't switch PnR" big guys, or make
>them 20 mpg bench guys.


Im not saying there is a market for brook, but it was lazy for a guy with zachs "knowledge" to lump brook in as a no 3 guy and a no rim protection guy. Especially given his penchant for advanced stats. Brook surprisngly to most is an above average rim defender statistically if nothing else because his size ... the old ytao ming rim protection

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209. "Plumlee fetched Nurkic + 1st rd pick, Brook is a better player"
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>Im not saying there is a market for brook, but it was lazy for
>a guy with zachs "knowledge" to lump brook in as a no 3 guy
>and a no rim protection guy. Especially given his penchant for
>advanced stats. Brook surprisngly to most is an above average
>rim defender statistically if nothing else because his size
>... the old ytao ming rim protection

The Blazers offered Pau (who is a terrible PnR defender & not a better rim protector than Brook) a 2yr/40 mill contract before giving Leonard (who can't protect the rim & isn't a better PnR defender/shooter than Brook) a 40mill contract.

They can offer he Nets Leonard/Vonleh(who is now expendable after the Nurkic trade) + Ezeli's expiring contract (team option) to match salary then throw in a 1st rd pick from the Nurkic trade (they have THREE 1st rd picks in 2017): http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=grotv9f

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211. "yea that's the deal I'm looking for "
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But how much incentive does por have to get 2 C only guys?
It's good if you have brook to have a competent backup so you can limit his minutes and rest him, but does por need to do that for nurkic? When he's in shape he can be a 30 mpg guy.


If I'm the nets I'd take that deal u were talking or look at ed Davis to replace one of them.

Maybe look at harmless, stay away from crabbe.

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215. "Do you trust Nurkic to give you 30 quality minutes on a playoff team?"
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>But how much incentive does por have to get 2 C only guys?

Ed Davis can eat the backup 4 minutes & Aminu/Harkless also play at the 4.

>It's good if you have brook to have a competent backup so you
>can limit his minutes and rest him, but does por need to do
>that for nurkic? When he's in shape he can be a 30 mpg guy.

Nurkic hasn't been able to finish at the rim since his knee injury & he is going to be asked to finish on PnRs like Plumlee. He's best served as a backup who can give you 15-20 minutes like Aron Baynes until he proves otherwise.

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202. "Pelicans also get Omri Casspi in the deal"
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I feel like Casspi's better than he was utilized in Sacramento. Nothing special but he'll help space the floor for Cousins and AD.

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203. "i always wondered why doc never made a move for casspi."
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clipps could've gotten him for a song and he would've really helped them at the 3.

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218. "Dude can't defend the three"
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And also, he was never good in any one game against the Doc-coached Celtics eight years ago, so how good could he really be?

  

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214. "He was as good as Ryan Anderson last season: http://bkref.com/tiny/B9lYG"
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>I feel like Casspi's better than he was utilized in
>Sacramento. Nothing special but he'll help space the floor for
>Cousins and AD.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=CLQJ2#advanced::22

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206. "Hope C's go after Terrence Jones"
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Pels have a glut of bigs now, might sell low on Jones. I'll do a James Young for TJones deal.

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207. "Trade James Young to Sacto..."
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>Pels have a glut of bigs now, might sell low on Jones. I'll
>do a James Young for TJones deal.

Probably can get WCS and future picks.


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213. "Willy's improved play is actually why they didn't mind dumping Boogie"
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>Probably can get WCS and future picks.

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219. "I wouldn't mind James in NO. But I want T-Jones in D.C. "
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222. "does James Young have any value?"
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He's done nothing for the C's from what I've gathered.

Maybe it's just a log jam there that can't get him on the court.
Or he just hasn't gotten any better since joining the league.


think he can blossom a bit in other situation?

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223. "He doesn't have much value. Not sure TJones does either."
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Everyone could have had him for cheap and he had to take a nothing deal with the Pels. Young's improved of late but he's a bench player.

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245. "Blasphemy!"
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>Everyone could have had him for cheap and he had to take a
>nothing deal with the Pels. Young's improved of late but he's
>a bench player.


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246. "He's hooping now. Still young, but finally looks committed..."
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to taking being a pro seriously.

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224. "Isaiah Thomas tweeted the eyes emoji; Twitter going crazy"
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Last time he did it, we announced Horford signed.

Asst. GM laughed that 2017 is the year when a player randomly tweets an eye emoji and he gets 20 calls about what trade is happening.

Isaiah started following 'Melo on Twitter. C's followed him on Instagram. Doubt that is happening since Phil hates the C's and I don't think Ainge would give up much for 'Melo.

Part of me feels like C's will stand pat and hold out for signing Gordon Hayward. Although that doesn't help our defense or rebounding.

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248. "Drummond?"
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http://nesn.com/2017/02/andre-drummond-fuels-celtics-trade-rumors-by-using-isaiah-thomas-tweet/

So...Smart is prolly gone if this is true. Seems like the type of player SVG loves and he's trying to move Jackson so he'd need a replacement. Maybe one of their C's (Zeller/Amir/Olynyk?) or the stashes (Zizic & Yabusele) plus the Nets pick?

Smart+Zizic+Zeller+Nets 2017 or 2018 would be a good haul for the Pistons.

Celtics post trade:
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Horford (where he REALLY wants to play)
Drummond

Maaaaaaaaaan and they still keep the Nets pick next year.

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226. "Rose/Rubio deal in the works?"
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lol every former thibs player is rumored to be wanted by the wolves

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228. "That's not a good idea for Minny unless Rose comes off the bench"
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230. "Rose would be one year stop gap. They'd dump Pekovic"
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The deal would be something like: Rose and O'Quinn for Rubio, Pekovic, and Shabazz.

Minnesota clears Rubio and Pek's contracts, gets a backup big man for cheap.

If Rose wants to agree to become a backup; he can re-sign with Thibs. If not, he heads elsewhere.

Knicks land Rubio and get a young guy in Muhammed for eating last year of Pek's contract.

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237. "obviously if Boston can get Butler they have to, but"
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last night I was brainstorming some kind of


Knicks get Rubio, Crowder, Pekovic's likely write-off and Zeller plus a Nets pick (likely 2018's)

Celtics get Melo and O'Quinn

Wolves get Rose and Amir Johnson

I think this trade works pretty well for every team for a variety of reasons I went into detail about and then decided not to post because A) it probably won't happen and B) it all hinged on Rose being fine coming in behind Kris Dunn which I realized isn't likely.

Basically, Celtics get more balance on offense throughout the game (the Thomas 4Q story is great, but kinda ignores the Celtics play a LOT of close games) and a sneaky good player ready to break out in regular rotation, Wolves get cap flexibility and a team completely composed of young bodies ala 76ers and Knicks get some sneaky fun players to play with while refocusing on Billy and Zinger and hopefully still being bad enough while having an alright time to get good draft position.


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238. "maaan that would be a haul for the knicks. If i'm boston, i ain't giving"
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up the nets picks tho unless its for a star in their prime.

Replace that 1st rounder with jaylen brown tho

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239. "I like Jaylen more than whatever that Nets pick will be in 2018"
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Getting just under 20 minutes per game on the third best team in the East at 20 years old and he's still on his rookie contract when Melo's contract ends. He's playing better than Butler and about as well as Giannis at the same point in their careers. With Thomas, Melo, O'Quinn, Horford, Smart, Bradley, Brown and Olynyk the Cs don't need that 2018 pick IMO.


but this trade won't happen, I don't see Stevens wanting Melo.\


on that note, I WOULD trade Brown for Butler or George, but you don't put him in a deal for Melo IMO. Melo is too old to give up a young player who's already learning to contribute at a high level.


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240. "Doubt Ainge offers a Nets pick for 'Melo."
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The Knicks have zero leverage right now and 'Melo doesn't solve Boston's biggest issues (rebounding and defense). If the C's are going after him, it's because they think Phil will sell him for pennies on the dollar.

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241. "RE: Doubt Ainge offers a Nets pick for 'Melo."
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>The Knicks have zero leverage right now and 'Melo doesn't
>solve Boston's biggest issues (rebounding and defense). If the
>C's are going after him, it's because they think Phil will
>sell him for pennies on the dollar.

my argument is O'Quinn does and would be a sneakily huge upgrade over Johnson. but I like O'Quinn a lot despite his never showing/having the opportunity to show much consistency. I think he's ready. His minutes haven't changed at all from the beginning of his career but all his advanced stats indicate he's ready for a bigger role than he can possibly have in NY.


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247. "It's not "sneakily" if it costs a Nets pick."
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I don't think we should give the pick up for 'Melo and Kyle O'Quinn does not move the needle enough to change that. Especially with next year's class looking like it could be top heavy with big men (Ayton, Bamba, Carter, Robinson, McCoy.)

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242. "agreed unfortunately"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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232. "Windy just said Detroit also interested in Rubio, but..."
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Minny wants no part of Reggie Jackson.

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234. "that's just usual clickbait"
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Thibs has been rumored to acquire every former Bulls player starting from the offseason. So far he signed none.

  

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235. "Hard pass"
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236. "lets do this."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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243. "Does Thibs hate Wiggins and Towns"
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that much that he'd want desperation contract mode Rose on that roster? That sounds like a complete disaster.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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251. "He must really hate Rubio."
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The trade doesn't make sense unless Thibs thinks Rose would be a step up to help them compete for the #8 seed.

And as much as I think the pick is more valuable, getting these kids into a playoff race might mean more to their growth than tanking yet again.

Also, weird because I thought reports were that things didn't end all that well for Thibs and Rose.

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252. "RE: He must really hate Rubio."
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>Also, weird because I thought reports were that things didn't
>end all that well for Thibs and Rose.


Nah...Thibs loves Rose.....

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249. "Let's see what marks nets for Bogdanovic"
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250. "Couple teams goin after Lou...Wiz willing to give a protected first"
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260. "EDIT wrong place"
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254. "Lou Williams to the Rockets."
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huge move for them imo.

He can shoot and he can create for himself.

another guy for Harden.

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255. "fuck, man...I'd kill for Lou Williams in OKC"
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256. "Smart trade...."
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I knew they would do something.

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257. "For a 2017 1st and Brewer "
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Brewer's contract expires the same time as Lou's, after next season...the max slot is still intact.

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261. "Seems like a weird for Houston"
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Williams is now their... third-string shooting guard? He's tiny and doesn't play much defense, and they gave up one of their better defensive players and a draft pick to get him. Just seems odd and I'm not sure it makes the Rockets better.

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264. "They needed another scorer to help rest Harden and Gordon"
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They could move Gordon back to the starting lineup now as well and have Lou Willz handle the scoring in the 2nd unit.

Brewer wasn't doing much of anything so it's good to have a 4th guard in the rotation that you can rely on.

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266. "that's kind of what i expect..."
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harden/EG and bev/willz pairings for the most part, regardless of who the nominal starter is.

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267. "Moving Beverly to the bench weakens their defense substantially tho"
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Seems like a move made to out-gun the rest of the league, but I don't think this squad is going to be able to out-gun that top tier teams regardless. It's just... weird.

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268. "It's a bit weird, although trying to outgun the Cavs and Warriors"
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Seems like one of the only possible strategies of beating them, other than crushing them inside (the tack the Pelicans seem to have taken).

However, the only real loss in this deal is the pick; Brewer's plus/minus might say he's a decent defender for the Rockets this season, but he's one of the worse heavy-minute rotation players league-wide. He's a horrific long-range shooter, can't create a good shot for himself almost ever, has lost several steps defensively and takes so many chances on that end that he will inevitably be a defensive liability against better teams in the playoffs, and has even gotten significantly worse at his one once-elite skill, finishing in transition. Replacing his shots and touches with Williams's can only lead to higher offensive efficiency. And the Rockets have the league's second-best offense already, so, yeah.

Williams will obviously not be the force in Houston that he was in LA, but his shooting and creative abilities against a defense likely sloped away from him because of Harden or Gordon's creation on the other side of the floor will make him fit fine.

  

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269. "I'm just not sure hoping to outgun the Dubs or Cavs in a 7-game series....."