Thanks Philly fans for the nickname, gotta say any indecision I had about this guy is gone. He is just not very good.

His defensive philosophy is blitz everyone, or sit back in zone where no one knows what they are doing.


His management of the QB position makes Rex look like Bill Walsh


His offensive coordinator is predictable and ineffective.


Is there a single Jet we could say Bowles has coached up or developed?


Glad the brother got a chance at a job, and he deserved a shot just like all these white coaches, but he is not good. Straight up.

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I mean, come on…if you have an OC who refuses to use a tight end in 2016…whatever he is doing needs to be working!!!

Neither applies to Chan Gailey who apparently only knows two offensive formations to begin with.

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I just want clarification

>
What exactly is he doing well?


I live in NY, I have watched 70% of all Jets games over the last decade plus, at least. I'm not just pulling this out of my ass, and I gave specific reasons why I think he is doing a bad job.

He is like a poor man's Rex Ryan. He blitzes a lot but his blitzes are less creative (although Rex's "creativity" creates it's own issues.

His choice of OC's is awful.

His team is often undisciplined, they start and finish games poorly, and are currently just listless despite having a decent amount of talent.

I can't think of a single player he has made better.

He is currently mismanaging the QB situation. At this point, really might as well be playing one of the QBs this team insists on drafting every year. But that is really the bottom of my list.

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>I live in NY, I have watched 70% of all Jets games over the
>last decade plus, at least. I'm not just pulling this out of
>my ass, and I gave specific reasons why I think he is doing a
>bad job.


>He is like a poor man's Rex Ryan.

Is this a joke?


He blitzes a lot but his
>blitzes are less creative (although Rex's "creativity" creates
>it's own issues.

"Less creative?" He was loved in Arizona *specifically*
because of the array of packages and confusing nature of
his schemes


>His choice of OC's is awful.

Wait, I thought his QB was bad?

And where is this talent on offense?

>His team is often undisciplined, they start and finish games
>poorly, and are currently just listless despite having a
>decent amount of talent.

"Decent amount of talent!??!"

LMAOOOOO

Where?


>He is currently mismanaging the QB situation.

How!?! How has he mismanaged it!?!? The guy who held
out and talked tough about how much he's worth fucking
sucks. That's on Bowles?!?

At this point,
>really might as well be playing one of the QBs this team
>insists on drafting every year. But that is really the bottom
>of my list.

No, that's actually ALL the fucking problems



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I hate doing this because I know you don't watch the games…but I never was very good at letting fact-free provocations go.

That said, I'm going to organize your misrepresentations a little better here:


OE contention #1: Ryan is not a better coach than Bowles.

>>He is like a poor man's Rex Ryan.
>
>Is this a joke?

Rex Ryan is a better coach than Bowles. Sucks he is a loudmouth Trump voter but it's still true.
He has a better record this year, more lifetime achievements, and more respect as a defensive mind. If you have any arguments to show the opposite, be my guest



OE contention #2: Todd Bowles is a more creative defensive coordinator than Rex Ryan
>
>
>He blitzes a lot but his
>>blitzes are less creative (although Rex's "creativity"
>creates
>>it's own issues.
>
>"Less creative?" He was loved in Arizona *specifically*
>because of the array of packages and confusing nature of
>his schemes

I never said his defenses were uncreative but they definitely are not touching Rex's in that regard and not one person who actually watches games will agree. Rex, for better or worse, stays shifting fronts, disguising coverages, rushing DBs and dropping linemen, 2 man rushes, everything. The criticism of Rex is that sometimes he takes this too far.

Bowles rarely fake blitzes, when he crowds the line they are coming. All of them. Which is fine, its just not more CREATIVE than Rex's defenses and that is just not debatable. Feel free to debate which is more effective if you like tho.

OE contention #3…not actually sure, since you didn't address the OC thing at all, probably because you have no idea who he is. But hey, ill bite.

>
>
>>His choice of OC's is awful.
>
>Wait, I thought his QB was bad?
>

QB is bad, QB is not the one who refuses to use a TE, barely uses motion, calls every fucking play out of shotgun and never changes the formations or bunches receivers or anything.

OE Contention #4: Jets are not a talented team

Their defensive line is great. Linebackers are okay, early pick Darron Lee has looked promising, for one. Their secondary is deep and talented and experienced.

Offense you say?

The offensive line is above average.

Marshall, Decker, Devin Smith, Enunwa, Sefarian Jenkins, Forte, are an above average collection of skill position guys.


Fitz didn't play well enough to keep his job and is gone next year no matter what now, they have young guys who will be here next year, and the season is lost…so yeah, Petty should have been starting a while ago, then he should have started tonight…now he is starting, which proves my point



Basically you are wrong, mostly because you don't watch any games and are probably not even watching the one on your tv now

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>QB is bad, QB is not the one who refuses to use a TE, barely
>uses motion, calls every fucking play out of shotgun and never
>changes the formations or bunches receivers or anything.
>
>OE Contention #4: Jets are not a talented team
>
>Their defensive line is great. Linebackers are okay, early
>pick Darron Lee has looked promising, for one. Their secondary
>is deep and talented and experienced.
>
>Offense you say?
>
>The offensive line is above average.

Bwahahahahahahahaahahha

>Marshall, Decker, Devin Smith, Enunwa, Sefarian Jenkins,
>Forte, are an above average collection of skill position
>guys.

Bwahahahahahahaahah

They have nobody to THROW THEM THE FUCKING BALL


>Fitz didn't play well enough to keep his job and is gone next
>year no matter what now, they have young guys who will be here
>next year, and the season is lost…so yeah, Petty should have
>been starting a while ago, then he should have started
>tonight…now he is starting, which proves my point

Petty is AWFUL LMAO

>Basically you are wrong, mostly because you don't watch any
>games and are probably not even watching the one on your tv
>now

So who are these "talented players" ???


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I can only be mad at myself for bothering to think you might want to engage in an actual sports discussion and taking the time to put together logical, cogent answers to your questions…




It is odd though, why even come into this post if you don't watch games, and have no interest in a genuine debate. It's baffling to me. I guess it's what you whippersnappers call "trolling".


Jokes on me then.

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That's just nonsense

I made several cogent points. You refused to address them.

I have no idea why, but it's lame.

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on both sides of the ball. Why you wasting his time?

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>on both sides of the ball. Why you wasting his time?


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>on both sides of the ball. Why you wasting his time?


And right on cue he arrives with deflection #2, straight out of the Trump playbook. Create straw man argument and pretend I said something that I clearly have not even come close to.

Over and over through this thread I said their line was "decent" "average", may have even said "above average"


So he says I said "elite"…a term everyone who knows me from posting on here knows I am not going to say about the Jets line, and SURPRISE, I never did say that.


It's pathetic

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Bwahahahaa


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No, and he is not the GM, so the offseason fuckery at QB is not his fault either.

That's why I listed all the things that ARE his fault. Feel free to discuss. If you DO choose to discuss, please watch some games so as to facilitate an informed discussion.

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How many Jets games you watch a year?


John Fox is in year two, I fry him regularly.

Pagano was in year 3, after spending year 1 beating fucking cancer, and he was getting fried.




They are at home, relatively healthy and getting stomped by a mediocre-at-best team in primetime. What do you want me to say?

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Jets could easily be down 45-3 at home on MNF to the fucking COLTS and people are not even willing to consider that Todd Bowles might not be doing a good job?

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He's not doing a great. He's also coaching a steaming pile of shit including one of the worst QB corps in the NFL.

I would not fire him.

Never said fire him. I do think he is is gonna get fired though because he is not very good. But yeah, he deserves 3 years IMO, before plugs are pulled

>He's not doing a great. He's also coaching a steaming pile of
>shit including one of the worst QB corps in the NFL.

Sorry, they have a decent amount of talent, especially on defense. Plenty of veteran guys, but they have some young guys too.


Brandon Marshall
Forte
Decker
Enunwa
Sefarian-Jenkins (talented young player they never use thanks to idiot OC)

The offensive line is actually average or better. Scheme makes them look worse than they are and they look decent. Mangold was back this game too.

Fitzgerald- SHOULD be a average to below avg starter in the NFL. And they had depth behind him including Geno and the guys they insist on drafting. Maybe thats on the GM but hey.



And the defense is VERY talented so I dunno what you are talking about there. The Redskins would be headed to the SB if they had the Jets D (okay, well not if Barry was coaching them)


>
>I would not fire him.

Neither would I. But what is he actually that good at? Broke man's Rex Ryan? Love Smith's demeanor without any of the results or innovation?


YOU TELL ME BREH

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That was really, really, really bad.



He's a defensive specialist, in year two of his scheme, healthier than they have any right to be and the defense didn't even try. At home. It's like they hate this nigga more than me.

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He took over a bad team, overachieved, and they suddenly thought they were good and built to win now when they weren't ready.

Fitz came back to Earth. Revis became mortal. I'm not saying he is blameless this season but getting fired would be a blessing since this roster is getting worse before it gets better.

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>He took over a bad team, overachieved, and they suddenly
>thought they were good and built to win now when they weren't
>ready.

They kinda were though, remember how much talent they have added the past two offseason, including some drafts that looked good (at least at the time)

They added two big, veteran receivers including Marshall who is still a quality #1

They added a young speedy slot guy in Enunwa

They added Matt Forte who is still really good and able of staying on the field all 3 downs

They improved a truly awful offensive line into something decent

They added Leonard Williams to as talented a 3-4 front as there is in the league. They drafted some young speedy linebackers in Jenkins and Lee, to mix with their vets, and even with Revis' decline, they have a good secondary with a promising young safety in Pryor and depth at CB that most teams don't


This team should be able to go anywhere from 8-8 to 11-5

They should not be pasted by 40 at home by a mediocre dome team

>
>Fitz came back to Earth. Revis became mortal. I'm not saying
>he is blameless this season but getting fired would be a
>blessing since this roster is getting worse before it gets
>better.


HE shouldn't be fired yet, but he will be if he doesn't start making changes, starting with his own defensive approach and the offensive coordinator.

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You can't understate the importance of a good O-line and limiting turnovers, which Fitz doesn't seem to care about doing. And given their depth, they quite simply couldn't afford to lose Eric Decker.

Adding an aging Matt Forte is a typical Jets move - add a big name veteran on the downside of his career with a lackluster chance at success given the situation with the O-line.

Revis's decline and the promotion of Buster Skrine have helped make the secondary one of the worst in the NFL.

As for their drafts, the only thing they've really improved was the strength of their team, the defensive line. Who's their best non-front seven (hell, just DL) pick this decade? Calvin Pryor? Bilal Powell? Revis might have been the last non-DL legit impact player the Jets have drafted.

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>You can't understate the importance of a good O-line and
>limiting turnovers, which Fitz doesn't seem to care about
>doing.

I 100% agree about O-line but sorry, this is NOT one of the worst lines in football AT ALL. You must not watch many other teams play if you think so. They are currently tied for 22nd in most sacks allowed, and it's not because Fitz gets the ball out early. They also are decent run blockers. This line is average, if not above avg.

You want to see a terrible offensive line watch the Bears, Rams, Niners, Browns, Vikings

Jets o-line is better than the Seahawks and Giants, to name some winning teams as well


And given their depth, they quite simply couldn't
>afford to lose Eric Decker.

Injuries happen, receiving corps still has a star and a couple other decent players

>
>Adding an aging Matt Forte is a typical Jets move - add a big
>name veteran on the downside of his career with a lackluster
>chance at success given the situation with the O-line.

Forte has had a good year and is playing well, so dunno what this means

>
>Revis's decline and the promotion of Buster Skrine have helped
>make the secondary one of the worst in the NFL.

LOL do you watch any other teams play besides the Patriots?

You think this is one of the worst secondaries in the league?

I can name TEN worse ones, easy, like, without breaking a sweat. Let me know if you need me to.


If you think this Jets roster is some scorched earth nightmare, you are watching different games than I am. AND they are relatively healthy.

No reason for this team to be this bad

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Bad O-line. Bad QB. Only two legit weapons on offense; both on the decline. Bad secondary. Horrible give/takeaway ratio. Can't create turnovers. Can't sack or hurry the QB.
They're good in one facet of the game - run defense. In a league that's become all about the passing attack.

You claim the Jets O-Line isn't bad and cite that they are tied for 22nd in the league in sacks given up as evidence yet the first team you name as a bad O-line is the Bears... who are tied with the Jets at 22nd in the league for sacks given up. (The Giants, who you say are worse, are tied for the 2nd fewest sacks given up)

Forte's been fine but when you invest in a big name back, you'd hope to see improvement in the run game; it's been stagnant.

The defense carried the team last year and can't do it this year because the secondary took a big step back.

Looking at their schedule, the Rams is really the only bad loss. Last night was an ugly loss but not a game they were expected to win. And the Ravens is a quality win.

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This is not a 3-10 roster. They have been pretty healthy too, so while they are a "bad team" it is not simply due to a lack of talent.

In what way exactly is, lets say, Buffalo more talented than the Jets?

McCoy vs Forte is a wash

Jets receivers are better

QB should be Jets or a wash at worst. Jets have 4 fucking QBs.

Jets front 7 is more talented and has had less turnover and less suspensions

Jets secondary should be better than Bills

Jets line better, or at WORST equal. Worse run blockers, better pass protectors.


Jet's have no business sitting at 3 wins b





>Bad O-line. Bad QB. Only two legit weapons on offenseboth
>on the decline.

How many players are they sposed to have: Marshall, Decker, Forte, supported by Enunwa, Powell and Sefarian Jenkins is no one's idea of a terrible lineup.

Bad secondary. Horrible give/takeaway ratio.
>Can't create turnovers.

And that has not hing to do with Bowles? They have some talented secondary players, sorry, it's not that cut and dry. Who are you comparing them to?

Can't sack or hurry the QB.

They have enough guys to have a good pass rush, and they are actually not a bad pass rushing team.


>They're good in one facet of the game - run defense. In a
>league that's become all about the passing attack.

Gross oversimplification

>
>You claim the Jets O-Line isn't bad and cite that they are
>tied for 22nd in the league in sacks given up as evidence yet
>the first team you name as a bad O-line is the Bears... who
>are tied with the Jets at 22nd in the league for sacks given
>up.

I also watch games so I know that the Bears do not spend the entire game in 4 WR sets trying to pass out of the shotgun. They have played very conservatively on offense. No one would accuse Chan Gailey of being conservative. The Jets don't even use a tight end. There is a lot of pressure on that line to perform and they are pretty decent.

(The Giants, who you say are worse, are tied for the 2nd
>fewest sacks given up)

Not sure they are worse, per se, but again, you have to watch games…ask any Giants fan how much time their QBs have to pass? I live in NYC, I watch the games, the Giants pass protection is an issue, the low sack number is because Eli does not hold the ball and will straight up spike it or throw a pick rather than get hit in regular season games.

I am not just making this up.


>
>Forte's been fine but when you invest in a big name back,
>you'd hope to see improvement in the run game; it's been
>stagnant.

He is headed for 1000 yards on a team that is addicted to passing and never has a lead. He did his job and then some. He is also a great receiver and a good pass blocker.

>
>The defense carried the team last year and can't do it this
>year because the secondary took a big step back.

Huh? They were pretty successful on offense last year.

>
>Looking at their schedule, the Rams is really the only bad
>loss. Last night was an ugly loss but not a game they were
>expected to win. And the Ravens is a quality win.

This team should not have 3 wins. They should not lose by 40 at home to the Colts. Bottom line. And Bowles has little to show for his tenure on this team thus far. What is their identity? what players has he molded or coached up? Who are their key players on both sides of the ball? Why is the QB message so muddled?

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But neither team is good so I'm not really sure why you think this comparison is helpful.

But when comparing the teams, Tyrod is better than Fitz. A guy who doesn't turn the ball over vs a turnover machine. Tyrod is more mobile which makes up for some of the O-line issues. That's a huge difference.

However, even with that key difference, the Jets have had a harder schedule so far than the Bills. The Bills are three wins better but:

The Bills got Jacoby Brissett instead of Tom Brady.
They have played the Bengals instead of the Steelers so far.
They got the Jags instead of the Colts.
Oh, AND THEY LOST TO THE JETS!

The Bills have as many quality wins as a the Jets. They beat Arizona, Jets beat Baltimore.

Looking at the schedules, the Jets and Bills are pretty much where you'd expect them to be.

>How many players are they sposed to have: Marshall, Decker,
>Forte, supported by Enunwa, Powell and Sefarian Jenkins is no
>one's idea of a terrible lineup.

Decker has been out. I think Powell is a run of the mil scat back and nothing to hang your hat on. Sefarian-Jenkins hasn't proven to be consistent at all. Are there many teams out there wishing they had Enunwa as their #2 receiver? Powell as their backup RB? Sefarian-Jenkins as their TE? Nevermind having all three in those spots? Are those three better than Gilleslee, Woods, and Clay?

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I don't think so

>But neither team is good so I'm not really sure why you think
>this comparison is helpful.

Bills are okay and are playing commiserate with talent on team/level of injuries. Jets are underachieving.

>
>But when comparing the teams, Tyrod is better than Fitz. A guy
>who doesn't turn the ball over vs a turnover machine. Tyrod is
>more mobile which makes up for some of the O-line issues.
>That's a huge difference.

No one was saying that last year when Fitz was having a career year. And Tyrod Taylor's entire pedigree is basically Rex Ryan took a chance on him and he doesn't throw picks. IF he was on the Jets, bet your ass Bowles wouldn't have started him till now. Surely some of this morass falls on Bowles, his OC and their predictable offense and inability to pick a QB out of the 4 they have for some reason?

>
>However, even with that key difference, the Jets have had a
>harder schedule so far than the Bills. The Bills are three
>wins better but:
>
>The Bills got Jacoby Brissett instead of Tom Brady.
>They have played the Bengals instead of the Steelers so far.
>They got the Jags instead of the Colts.
>Oh, AND THEY LOST TO THE JETS!

Bills whole team has been mired in injuries and suspensions since before season began, but they are doing better than a more talented, healthier Jets team.

>
>The Bills have as many quality wins as a the Jets. They beat
>Arizona, Jets beat Baltimore.
>
>Looking at the schedules, the Jets and Bills are pretty much
>where you'd expect them to be.

Find me preseason projections of the Jets going 3-13 or 4-12, please?
>
>>How many players are they sposed to have: Marshall, Decker,
>>Forte, supported by Enunwa, Powell and Sefarian Jenkins is
>no
>>one's idea of a terrible lineup.
>
>Decker has been out.

He played 3 games, for all the good it did them.

I think Powell is a run of the mil scat
>back and nothing to hang your hat on.

LOL he is the change of pace back, yeah. The starter is Forte! One of the best players of his era at his position and still productive and healthy and in shape

Sefarian-Jenkins hasn't
>proven to be consistent at all.

Bowles OC does not believe in using the TE, so who knows if he could be useful?? He has the talent and size. Look, if in 2016, you hire an OC who shuns the TE…whatever he is doing better be working! But its not and that is on Bowles too.



Are there many teams out there
>wishing they had Enunwa as their #2 receiver?

Enunwa is their #3…for which purpose he is pretty good. Decker is hurt now, but every team deals with injuries. Bears starting receivers last few games were Josh Bellamy, Cameron Meredith and Marquess Wilson. Enunwa would have been the #1

Who even plays on the Niners? Cleveland?


These are the teams that have the sort of record the Jets are headed towards. Any of them would welcome a talent like Marshall.

Bills brought Percy Harvin out of retirement they were so desperate and he just retired for the 2nd time in one season. I think he caught one pass.


Also noticed you left out the defenses…


Regardless we don't agree. This team is has AT LEAST average talent on paper and should be capable of anything from 7-9 to 10-6 depending on health and other factors. They are underachieving.

Disagree…find me a projection before the season of this squad being a dumpster fire on both sides of the ball?

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So Enunwa might be a #2 receiver on some of the worst teams in the league. I think that proves my point. The way you dismiss Decker is kind of amazing to me. He was a cog in that offense.

And I know Powell is the change-of-pace back, but you mentioned him as one of the top options on the offense which is why I responded about him. You have two legit weapons on offense. A misfiring QB. And average players like Enunwa, Powell, and Sefarian-Jenkins.

Vegas had them at the Jets O/U at 7.5. If you told people, Decker would miss most of the season, Fitz would fall apart, Revis would fall to earth, and Mangold would miss games, I think everyone would have lowered their expectations. (And wins over SF and MIA/BUF at home aren't out of the question and that's 6 wins.)

The Jets have disappointed this year. How much of that should be placed on Todd Bowles' shoulders is up for debate. Personally, as I noted before, getting fired wouldn't change much since the best players on the Jets' offense are getting older and declining and the defense has sprung holes in the secondary and the Jets are already over the 2017 cap.

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>So Enunwa might be a #2 receiver on some of the worst teams
>in the league. I think that proves my point.


It's week 14. Teams are beat up. Jets situation is not ideal but how many teams is? I mean, look at the type of injuries and rosters of the teams with similar records.


The way you
>dismiss Decker is kind of amazing to me. He was a cog in that
>offense.

He was, for sure. But this is the NFL, injuries happen. You can't lose Eric Decker and say okay, now we are going to go 3-13!


>
>And I know Powell is the change-of-pace back, but you
>mentioned him as one of the top options on the offense which
>is why I responded about him. You have two legit weapons on
>offense. A misfiring QB. And average players like Enunwa,
>Powell, and Sefarian-Jenkins.

So…they are in the same situation as lots of teams? I am not saying they should be in the SB, but that they most definitely are underachieving.

>
>Vegas had them at the Jets O/U at 7.5.

They have 3 wins. I know you know that, but it bears repeating.

If you told people,
>Decker would miss most of the season,

It's football. Someone is going to get hurt/suspended. Jets are healthier than most teams in league and definitely healthier than most of the teams with less than 5 wins

>Fitz would fall apart,

Okay, but how has Bowles handled that? How did he handle the preseason? Probably should have started Geno from the jump. They have mad QBs, drafted in good slots, as well as a veteran and still mucked it up. If you think that won't reflect not he coach, I don't know what to say.

>Revis would fall to earth,

This doesn't reflect on Bowles?

and Mangold would miss games, I
>think everyone would have lowered their expectations.
>
>The Jets have disappointed this year. How much of that should
>be placed on Todd Bowles' shoulders is up for debate.

That is what we are debating here

>Personally, as I noted before, getting fired wouldn't change
>much since the best players on the Jets' offense are getting
>older and declining and the defense has sprung holes in the
>secondary and the Jets are already over the 2017 cap.

I haven't called for his firing. In fact, I think he should get year 3. But after this year, I just don't think he is that good of a coach. Here are the reasons.

Players don't seem to go all out for him like a Lovie, or Ryan, other defensive guys who people questioned their HC bonafides. What players really seem like they are HIS guys? Everyone flat out quit last night, they didn't even quit actually, they didn't start trying.

I also don't see him developing any talent out there. Sheldon and Wilkerson actually seem to be worse, Darron Lee looks lost, everyone looks lost except Leonard Williams who is gonna beast no matter what

His defensive schemes have been figured out. His only move was blitzing a lot, now he is scared to blitz but people are wide open every play. Zones don't work and his blitzes aren't getting home…where do you go from here?

He hasn't fired Chan Gailey yet. Dude is terrible, for reasons I have already outlined in detail.

He is already looking like he has no idea how to handle the QB situation, especially under the lights in NYC. Same thing had Rex walking out the front door with his shit in a cardboard box, and Bowles is gonna end up doing the same unless he makes a lot of changes.

team is beset by dumb penalties, blown coverages, and general lack of professionalism


Now someone tell me…what IS Todd Bowles good at?

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>Okay, but how has Bowles handled that? How did he handle the
>preseason? Probably should have started Geno from the jump.
>They have mad QBs, drafted in good slots, as well as a veteran
>and still mucked it up. If you think that won't reflect not he
>coach, I don't know what to say.

Fitz was a leader in the locker room and just got handed a big deal to play QB this season. Bowles couldn't turn around and start Geno. Nevermind the fact that Geno isn't that great either. That was a disaster on the front office's part.

Where Bowles fucked up was the Rams game. Everyone knew Petty wasn't ready. The locker room wanted Fitz because he gave them the best chance to win. Instead he opted for Petty, they lost, and instead of 4 - 6 and heading into the bye with a win, they were 3 - 7 and riddled with questions about the QB position and feeling like they weren't doing their best to win.

Did Bowles make the best out of a bad situation? No. Did he make it worse? Perhaps. It was a shit situation and a lot of first time head coaches have struggled with similar issues. Belichick made the same miscue with Vinny Testeverde in Cleveland.

>>Revis would fall to earth,
>
>This doesn't reflect on Bowles?

Was he supposed to find a fountain of youth? Older players decline. Maybe he should have seen it coming and given Revis more help from day 1 to prevent an embarrassment like AJ Green's dominance but I don't think Revis's battle with father time is on Bowles.


>Players don't seem to go all out for him like a Lovie, or
>Ryan, other defensive guys who people questioned their HC
>bonafides. What players really seem like they are HIS guys?
>Everyone flat out quit last night, they didn't even quit
>actually, they didn't start trying.

Rex's teams love playing for him and they play a stupid brand of football. It's fun to play for a guy who doesn't think dumb penalties are a reason to get yelled at (as he said this season.) And in his last year in NY and his first year in Buffalo, there were calls that the team had quit on him.

Bowles hasn't put his imprint on the team but it's been two years. How many of HIS guys does he have on this team? Are he and the front office on the same page?

Lovie lasted two years in Tampa Bay. And in Chicago, he had a defense with strong personalities. I'm not sure Bowles has that here.

>I also don't see him developing any talent out there. Sheldon
>and Wilkerson actually seem to be worse, Darron Lee looks
>lost, everyone looks lost except Leonard Williams who is gonna
>beast no matter what

In another post, you said Darron Lee looks good. Mo and Sheldon are worrisome but I'm not sure if that's them or Bowles. Sounds like Sheldon is a goner and he's playing like it. Did getting paid change Mo?

Maybe Bowles doesn't have the right attitude and needed a guy like Arians to fire people up. But I'm also not willing to say the front office isn't to blame. Besides Harris, do they have another leader?

>He hasn't fired Chan Gailey yet. Dude is terrible, for reasons
>I have already outlined in detail.

This is a definite miscue. Just giving Chan Gailey the job was a mistake.


>He is already looking like he has no idea how to handle the QB
>situation, especially under the lights in NYC. Same thing had
>Rex walking out the front door with his shit in a cardboard
>box, and Bowles is gonna end up doing the same unless he makes
>a lot of changes.

It's hard to handle a QB situation when you don't have any answers on the roster. Of course, this has been the story of the Jets forever.

>Now someone tell me…what IS Todd Bowles good at?

You cut Fitz slack for having a career year last year, why doesn't Bowles get slack for having the Jets overachieve last year?

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>>Okay, but how has Bowles handled that? How did he handle
>the
>>preseason? Probably should have started Geno from the jump.
>>They have mad QBs, drafted in good slots, as well as a
>veteran
>>and still mucked it up. If you think that won't reflect not
>he
>>coach, I don't know what to say.
>
>Fitz was a leader in the locker room and just got handed a big
>deal to play QB this season. Bowles couldn't turn around and
>start Geno. Nevermind the fact that Geno isn't that great
>either. That was a disaster on the front office's part.

Bowles should have played whoever won the job in preseason. If that was Ryan, cool. I don't know, so I can't say.

>
>Where Bowles fucked up was the Rams game. Everyone knew Petty
>wasn't ready. The locker room wanted Fitz because he gave them
>the best chance to win. Instead he opted for Petty, they lost,
>and instead of 4 - 6 and heading into the bye with a win, they
>were 3 - 7 and riddled with questions about the QB position
>and feeling like they weren't doing their best to win.

Agreed. Although I also think he could/should have put Geno in before then but whatever, agree to disagree on that

>
>Did Bowles make the best out of a bad situation? No. Did he
>make it worse? Perhaps. It was a shit situation and a lot of
>first time head coaches have struggled with similar issues.
>Belichick made the same miscue with Vinny Testeverde in
>Cleveland.

Sure, agreed. Maybe Bowles will be a good HC sometimes, maybe even next year, but right now I think he is doing a bad job.

>
>>>Revis would fall to earth,
>>
>>This doesn't reflect on Bowles?
>
>Was he supposed to find a fountain of youth? Older players
>decline. Maybe he should have seen it coming and given Revis
>more help from day 1 to prevent an embarrassment like AJ
>Green's dominance but I don't think Revis's battle with father
>time is on Bowles.

Bowles background IS as a DB coach and the secondary is in tatters, despite having good talent on paper. If he can't improve this situation, I don't see who you blame.

>
>
>>Players don't seem to go all out for him like a Lovie, or
>>Ryan, other defensive guys who people questioned their HC
>>bonafides. What players really seem like they are HIS guys?
>>Everyone flat out quit last night, they didn't even quit
>>actually, they didn't start trying.
>
>Rex's teams love playing for him and they play a stupid brand
>of football. It's fun to play for a guy who doesn't think dumb
>penalties are a reason to get yelled at (as he said this
>season.) And in his last year in NY and his first year in
>Buffalo, there were calls that the team had quit on him.

Gimme a coach whose players are motivated to play for them over one whose players are apathetic.

>
>Bowles hasn't put his imprint on the team but it's been two
>years. How many of HIS guys does he have on this team? Are he
>and the front office on the same page?

I have no idea. But two years is enough to establish an identity of some sort. I have no idea what the Jets philosophy on either side of ball is.

>
>Lovie lasted two years in Tampa Bay. And in Chicago, he had a
>defense with strong personalities. I'm not sure Bowles has
>that here.
>
>>I also don't see him developing any talent out there.
>Sheldon
>>and Wilkerson actually seem to be worse, Darron Lee looks
>>lost, everyone looks lost except Leonard Williams who is
>gonna
>>beast no matter what
>
>In another post, you said Darron Lee looks good. Mo and
>Sheldon are worrisome but I'm not sure if that's them or
>Bowles. Sounds like Sheldon is a goner and he's playing like
>it. Did getting paid change Mo?
>
>Maybe Bowles doesn't have the right attitude and needed a guy
>like Arians to fire people up. But I'm also not willing to say
>the front office isn't to blame. Besides Harris, do they have
>another leader?
>
>>He hasn't fired Chan Gailey yet. Dude is terrible, for
>reasons
>>I have already outlined in detail.
>
>This is a definite miscue. Just giving Chan Gailey the job was
>a mistake.

Agreed

>
>>He is already looking like he has no idea how to handle the
>QB
>>situation, especially under the lights in NYC. Same thing
>had
>>Rex walking out the front door with his shit in a cardboard
>>box, and Bowles is gonna end up doing the same unless he
>makes
>>a lot of changes.
>
>It's hard to handle a QB situation when you don't have any
>answers on the roster. Of course, this has been the story of
>the Jets forever.

They had guys at least good enough to be stopgaps. Maybe if you had a different OC…or a better defense…

>
>>Now someone tell me…what IS Todd Bowles good at?
>
>You cut Fitz slack for having a career year last year, why
>doesn't Bowles get slack for having the Jets overachieve last
>year?

I am not cutting Flitz any slack, and I already said Bowles deserves another year. I just have no faith he will do anything with it because evidence to date suggest he is not very good.

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Man…that press conference made him look worse than anyone.


He literally said even if they won 45-0, Petty was going to start the last four games. Basically, this was Fitz's last game no matter what…


What sense does that fucking make? Why even have him play then? Or are you just lying? And why announce that to the press when you haven't even informed your QBs?


This dude better wake the fuck up. NY not the place to be losing AND completely failing at the PR game. Jets also are the most lowbrow and racist of any local sports fanbase, so to do so while being black is even less advised.

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They need to be able to evaluate Bryce to see if he's
the guy.

That makes sense long temr.

You are either playing dumb or misreading what I wrote.


If you know BEFORE this game that NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS you are going to play Petty the last 4 games…why not just start him in THIS game!


If Fitz had a monster game, Jets win 45-0, we are supposed to believe he would have benched him for Petty?


Either he is stupid, or he thinks everyone else is

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Front office and white media pushed Fitz

Fitz is ass cheeks and him and Bowles don't get along

That's on the front office

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>
>Front office and white media pushed Fitz
>
>Fitz is ass cheeks and him and Bowles don't get along
>
>That's on the front office


Officially going full-Breitbart? Okay, I'll leave you to it. Can't be bothered to have a one-sided rational conversation with a person who is either an idiot, or thinks no one else can actually read.


You do know that people on here are not that dumb, right?


Like, you could probably win the presidency, sure, but you are not going to be able to convince all of OKS that you are wearing clothes here.


I have made salient points all over this thread. All your replies and you have not addressed a single one of them.

SAD!

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I wanted to like him, even though I didn't love his resume, I liked that he had a THING, a scheme identity (namely, blitzing with abandon). I also wanted to root for him as a black coach.

But so far, he has been pretty unimpressive.

I can dig the Lovie Smith stoic shit…when you get Lovie Smith results, and your defense plays for you like Lovie's did, and you can hang your hat on something (takeaways, red zone D) no matter how bad your offense is…


I can dig the Rex Ryan madcap blitzery…when it has some rhyme or reason…or doesn't seem so easy to figure out and neutralize. And when the players and the team have an identity of some sort, however assholish


Neither of those coaches could hire an OC or manage a QB situation to save their lives, which is Bowles problem here too, but they could always hang their hats on something.

I'm genuinely unsure of what Bowles brings to the table right now.


Give him another year, cause why not…but dude is gonna be outta here if he doesn't get better fast.

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How many white coaches been that disrespectful to?


I already searched - none.


He's a coon, that's all it is.

Actually, borrowed it from cats on here back when he was Philly's DC or secondary coach or something. Too hilarious to pass up. Mad?

>
>How many white coaches been that disrespectful to?
>

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA


>
>I already searched - none.
>

No lie, I'm dying


>
>He's a coon, that's all it is.


Well, since you haven't watched any Jets games, it's inevitable that you go here. Allow me to retrieve my popcorn for your upcoming meltdown.

You aren't going to go full "Chip Kelly thread" up in here though, are you? If you are going to, it's fine, I just want to know so I can get the right size popcorn.

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>
>How many white coaches been that disrespectful to?
>
>
>I already searched - none.
>
>
>He's a coon, that's all it is.

________________________________________
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he stole that from SPM...that's the first person I ever heard say it...here or IRL...back when Bowles was their DB Coach, then DC.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

>he stole that from SPM...that's the first person I ever heard
>say it...here or IRL...back when Bowles was their DB Coach,
>then DC.

I did my best to credit it in the OP.


Honestly, makes me chuckle everytime I think of it. I had no idea who Todd Bowles was then either, I was mostly in that thread to read jokes about Juan Castillo being the DC and Andy Reid's clock management



Todd "Toilet" Bowles….I mean that is funny! Juvenile and stupid, but good stupid like Basa's "Contra spray gun" thing about Mashburn's teeth

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Everything ok? Starting to feel that winter gloom?

>Thanks Philly fans for the nickname, gotta say any indecision
>I had about this guy is gone. He is just not very good.
>
>His defensive philosophy is blitz everyone, or sit back in
>zone where no one knows what they are doing.
>
First of all, that's simply not true. To say he's not good after only his SECOND year is crazy. He's had a bad year like most coaches have had.

>His management of the QB position makes Rex look like Bill
>Walsh
He hasn't had a plethora of riches at the QB spot. (actually, neither did Rex). He went with the guy that had played out of his mind last year. If Geno was still available he'd be playing

>
>His offensive coordinator is predictable and ineffective.
Chan Gailey's been an issue, but not THE issue on offense

>Is there a single Jet we could say Bowles has coached up or
>developed?
Coached up in only his SECOND YEAR EVER? Come on


>Glad the brother got a chance at a job, and he deserved a shot
>just like all these white coaches, but he is not good.
>Straight up.
This is crazy


The biggest issue with Bowles is that he's too loyal. He was loyal to Fitzpatrick (as most of the team was), and he's loyal to his defensive coordinator.

Fitzpatrick and the secondary (Revis in particular, and I'm a Revis fan) have been the issue. It's execution. We have a QB that LEADS THE LEAGUE in red-zone picks. So Bowles schemes are good enough all the way down to the goal-line and then he's not good? Or is it because Fitz sucks ass this year.

To hang this year on Bowles is not fair at all, especially when the QB is the biggest issue, followed very closely by a HOF CB who got old very very fast.

This is like the Rashean Mathis situation in Tampa all over again. After a great year, the 2nd year they struggle and he gets canned. It's bullshit

>>Thanks Philly fans for the nickname, gotta say any
>indecision
>>I had about this guy is gone. He is just not very good.
>>
>>His defensive philosophy is blitz everyone, or sit back in
>>zone where no one knows what they are doing.
>>
>First of all, that's simply not true.

Please describe his defensive philosophy then? I think his scheme is predicated upon the blitz, much like Rex, its just even more aggressive. This season he is too shook to even blitz as much as he wants and defense is wise, if anything.

To say he's not good
>after only his SECOND year is crazy. He's had a bad year like
>most coaches have had.

I just don't see a single thing he is doing well. I am fine with him getting another year, I just don't think he is any good. For reasons I have outlined through this post.


>
>>His management of the QB position makes Rex look like Bill
>>Walsh
>He hasn't had a plethora of riches at the QB spot. (actually,
>neither did Rex).

BINGO

He went with the guy that had played out of
>his mind last year. If Geno was still available he'd be
>playing

The game…is the game© Avon Barksdale


>
>>
>>His offensive coordinator is predictable and ineffective.
>Chan Gailey's been an issue, but not THE issue on offense

He is terrible. Please explain why you hire a guy who SCHEMATICALLY ignores the tight end in 2016, and let him keep his job even tho offense isn't working
>
>>Is there a single Jet we could say Bowles has coached up or
>>developed?
>Coached up in only his SECOND YEAR EVER? Come on

Okay, I just don't see anyone getting better.


>
>
>>Glad the brother got a chance at a job, and he deserved a
>shot
>>just like all these white coaches, but he is not good.
>>Straight up.
>This is crazy
>
>
>The biggest issue with Bowles is that he's too loyal. He was
>loyal to Fitzpatrick (as most of the team was), and he's loyal
>to his defensive coordinator.
>
>Fitzpatrick and the secondary (Revis in particular, and I'm a
>Revis fan) have been the issue. It's execution. We have a QB
>that LEADS THE LEAGUE in red-zone picks. So Bowles schemes are
>good enough all the way down to the goal-line and then he's
>not good? Or is it because Fitz sucks ass this year.

Bowles D sucks, his secondary sucks, the OC he picked sucks…what is he doing right?


>
>To hang this year on Bowles is not fair at all, especially
>when the QB is the biggest issue, followed very closely by a
>HOF CB who got old very very fast.

I said from th beginning Bowles deserves another year. I also said he won't do shit with it because he is not a very good coach, so unless he lucks into some incredible QB, yeah, he's getting fired next year.

>
>This is like the Rashean Mathis situation in Tampa all over
>again. After a great year, the 2nd year they struggle and he
>gets canned. It's bullshit

LOL I think you mean Raheem Morris

Rashean Mathis was a pretty good corner in his time tho

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See, you DO NOT have to like Todd Bowles as a head
coach.

What is racist and problematic are YOUR REASONS. You are
PRETENDING to understand football and have reduced his
problems to oversimplistic dumb shit. This is why black
people don't get jobs.

>Please describe his defensive philosophy then? I think his
>scheme is predicated upon the blitz, much like Rex, its just
>even more aggressive. This season he is too shook to even
>blitz as much as he wants and defense is wise, if anything.

It's not just that "he blitzes."

He is an ingenious developer of talent, understands
angles, creates hybrids, installs whole schemes.

This article describes SOME of it:

http://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/22704/jets-coach-todd-bowles-fingerprints-remain-on-cardinals-defense

That YOU don't understand that is why you're a "coon"

You're simply saying "he blitzes" without knowledge of the
technical aspects that he actually implemented. He's one
of the quirkiest and most creative defensive minds in football.

He's the reason Tyrann Mathieu became who he is. He
has developed MULTIPLE players. They've ALL said it.

That you are unable or unwilling to even NOTICE what the
black man DOES WELL or is KNOWN FOR is coon shit.

You DONT HAVE to like dude.

But DO understand who the hell he is, what he's known
for. And DO NOT BLAME HIM for shit he didn't do: the
FRONT OFFICE was all over FITZ. Bowles was READY to
move on. Fitz is a TERRIBLE QB.

So please....stop with the Sambo shit. It's embarrassing
us.


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>
>See, you DO NOT have to like Todd Bowles as a head
>coach.
>
>What is racist and problematic are YOUR REASONS. You are
>PRETENDING to understand football and have reduced his
>problems to oversimplistic dumb shit. This is why black
>people don't get jobs.
>
>>Please describe his defensive philosophy then? I think his
>>scheme is predicated upon the blitz, much like Rex, its just
>>even more aggressive. This season he is too shook to even
>>blitz as much as he wants and defense is wise, if anything.
>
>It's not just that "he blitzes."
>
>He is an ingenious developer of talent, understands
>angles, creates hybrids, installs whole schemes.
>
>This article describes SOME of it:
>
>http://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/22704/jets-coach-todd-bowles-fingerprints-remain-on-cardinals-defense
>
>That YOU don't understand that is why you're a "coon"
>
>You're simply saying "he blitzes" without knowledge of the
>technical aspects that he actually implemented. He's one
>of the quirkiest and most creative defensive minds in
>football.
>
>He's the reason Tyrann Mathieu became who he is. He
>has developed MULTIPLE players. They've ALL said it.
>
>That you are unable or unwilling to even NOTICE what the
>black man DOES WELL or is KNOWN FOR is coon shit.
>
>You DONT HAVE to like dude.
>
>But DO understand who the hell he is, what he's known
>for. And DO NOT BLAME HIM for shit he didn't do: the
>FRONT OFFICE was all over FITZ. Bowles was READY to
>move on. Fitz is a TERRIBLE QB.
>
>So please....stop with the Sambo shit. It's embarrassing
>us.


You have had ample time to address football arguments and the failure of the defense of which he is in charge, not to mention the whole team…and you are yet to say a single thing of substance.

So yeah, GTFOH with this bullshit. This aint middle school b.

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>
>You have had ample time to address football arguments and the
>failure of the defense of which he is in charge, not to
>mention the whole team…and you are yet to say a single thing
>of substance.
>
>So yeah, GTFOH with this bullshit. This aint middle school b.

Address the comments about Bowles strategy? Got anything
to say about how he's KNOWN for his strategic excellence?

Meanwhile, you talking about dude like he's some idiot.

If anything, dude's problem is that he's too nerdy. Rex is
not very smart, but guys like him. That's a narrative that
is closer to the truth than that shit you trotted out.
Bowles is one of the most respected MINDs in football.

But you don't wanna hear that, because you're busy talking
about how the Jets have an "elite offensive line" bwahaha



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>
>>
>>You have had ample time to address football arguments and
>the
>>failure of the defense of which he is in charge, not to
>>mention the whole team…and you are yet to say a single
>thing
>>of substance.
>>
>>So yeah, GTFOH with this bullshit. This aint middle school
>b.
>
>Address the comments about Bowles strategy? Got anything
>to say about how he's KNOWN for his strategic excellence?
>
>Meanwhile, you talking about dude like he's some idiot.
>
>If anything, dude's problem is that he's too nerdy. Rex is
>not very smart, but guys like him. That's a narrative that
>is closer to the truth than that shit you trotted out.
>Bowles is one of the most respected MINDs in football.

The Jets have only nine takeaways, none in the last three games. Opponents have run 697 plays against the Jets, only two of which resulted in a fumble recovery by the defense.

He is a secondary coach whose secondary is drastically underperforming.

He is a blitzing coach (like Rex) except now he is scared to even blitz because his D is getting embarrassed.

He is doing nothing with what should be a talented d-line.

His offensive coordinator is fucking terrible and should have been fired a while ago. When you are the head coach, shit like that gets hung on your neck too. Ask Rex, Lovie or motherfucking Marty Schottenheimer…all good coaches who get fried over the offenses failures.

His players have stopped trying. The DEFENSE gave up before the last game STARTED!

What is Bowles hanging his hat on here…a couple good seasons in Arizona under an even more overrated coach in Bruce Arians? That's not enough of a resume to be beyond reproach, sorry, not for me.

Those are all football arguments…100% guarantee you respond with some deflecting bullshit

>
>But you don't wanna hear that, because you're busy talking
>about how the Jets have an "elite offensive line" bwahaha



Honest question…why make up lies? I mean, I never said that. Everyone here can read how over and over again I said the offensive line was average…in this very thread…what is the point of lying. I mean, do you really think everyone on OKS is THAT dumb?

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>The Jets have only nine takeaways, none in the last three
>games. Opponents have run 697 plays against the Jets, only two
>of which resulted in a fumble recovery by the defense.

Yikes! You'd think the Jets have bad talent or something!

>He is a secondary coach whose secondary is drastically
>underperforming.

Underperforming relative to WHAT?

Bwaghahgahahahaahahaha

So Revis being old is because of Bowles?!?!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahah

Rex Ryan had TWO ELITE corners in their PRIME.

Bowles got what?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

But that's on Bowles, right?

Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahhahaa

>He is a blitzing coach (like Rex) except now he is scared to
>even blitz because his D is getting embarrassed.

Remember when Revis and Cromartie were BOTH top 7 corners
in the league (Revis one of the best to ever play)?!?!

You can blitz to death when you have that, idiot.

What they got now?

Oh, "elite talent everywhere," right?


Bwhahaahahahahahahhahaha


>He is doing nothing with what should be a talented d-line.

"He is doing nothing."

>His offensive coordinator is fucking terrible and should have
>been fired a while ago. When you are the head coach, shit like
>that gets hung on your neck too. Ask Rex, Lovie or
>motherfucking Marty Schottenheimer…all good coaches who get
>fried over the offenses failures.

Oh really? Because Schotty got MULTIPLE chances and Lovie
got ONE season with a future franchise QB as a ROOKIE
before he got canned. What happens to Tampa Bay now? Rookie
improves, team improves, Lovie doesn't get to coach that
talent. It's how it always works.


Why? Because people like you are not so bright



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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

>
>>The Jets have only nine takeaways, none in the last three
>>games. Opponents have run 697 plays against the Jets, only
>two
>>of which resulted in a fumble recovery by the defense.
>
>Yikes! You'd think the Jets have bad talent or something!

They have plenty of defensive talent


>
>>He is a secondary coach whose secondary is drastically
>>underperforming.
>
>Underperforming relative to WHAT?

Being any good?


>
>Bwaghahgahahahaahahaha
>
>So Revis being old is because of Bowles?!?!

Revis isn't the only player. Skrine has been terrible. Everyone has been bad.

>
>Bwahahahahahahahahahahah
>
>Rex Ryan had TWO ELITE corners in their PRIME.

When Rex got fired the level of team talent was 10 times worse than this…and those guys were not on the team

>
>Bowles got what?
>
>Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>
>But that's on Bowles, right?
>
>Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahhahaa
>
>>He is a blitzing coach (like Rex) except now he is scared to
>>even blitz because his D is getting embarrassed.
>
>Remember when Revis and Cromartie were BOTH top 7 corners
>in the league (Revis one of the best to ever play)?!?!
>
>You can blitz to death when you have that, idiot.

Bills corner situation is suspect as hell, their front 7 weaker on paper and reset with suspensions/injuries but Rex D is still playing hard and currently being more productive.

Who he got?

>
>What they got now?
>
>Oh, "elite talent everywhere," right?

LIE

>
>
>Bwhahaahahahahahahhahaha
>
>
>>He is doing nothing with what should be a talented d-line.
>
>"He is doing nothing."
>
>>His offensive coordinator is fucking terrible and should
>have
>>been fired a while ago. When you are the head coach, shit
>like
>>that gets hung on your neck too. Ask Rex, Lovie or
>>motherfucking Marty Schottenheimer…all good coaches who
>get
>>fried over the offenses failures.
>
>Oh really? Because Schotty got MULTIPLE chances and Lovie
>got ONE season with a future franchise QB as a ROOKIE
>before he got canned. What happens to Tampa Bay now? Rookie
>improves, team improves, Lovie doesn't get to coach that
>talent. It's how it always works.


WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I AM A LOVIE SMITH FAN, REX RYAN FAN, SIMPLY EXPLAINING HOW IT WORKS.

WHEN YOU ARE THE HEAD COACH YOU CANNOT THINK THAT THE FAILURE OF THE OFFENSE/DEFENSE WILL NOT ULTIMATELY FALL AT YOUR FEER JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT THE PRIMARY COORDINATOR.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE


Now, please, please, please go talk to people about a sport/team where you have actually seen games and want to discuss in a genuine fashion. This "trolling" shit is annoying. I mean, you are a grown ass man, with what you would have us believe is a great job and life. Is it that personally gratifying to make up straw men about "elite offensive lines" that I didn't even say?

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yes, the fuck we do

there's an asswipe over there cheating coaching a cheater's Hall of Famer in one of those states near New York that I can't wait to see catch a L to the Raiders in the playoffs

D'Postrophe was roasted and called "toilet" related things where-ever he popped up (quiet this year, I guess, since he and Harden are a match made in heaven)

fuck Jeff Fisher in the goat ass (been that way since the Griff trade), was glad to see Nick Foles become his problem for at least a season. (there is an entire post devoted to him being the face of white privilege)

"Porn Shortcut In The Browser" Rambis was roasted for basically being a shitty take on the principal from Ferris Bueller tryna coach the Knicks after Derek Fisher got fired (and somehow FEEL Jackson -- there's another one kept him on staff)


Andy Reid? We Eagles fans let him have it every season when he threw the QB to the slaughter with the cut-rate Mike Martz bullshit ... and even now, when he resurrects it with ALEX SMITH as the QB

Chip was pretty much reviled once he cut and traded the all good players and all he did better than Andy over 3 seasons was beat the Cheaters with an underachieving Sam Bradford

and to be sure, if Doug Pedersen continues to pretend Wentz = Alex Smith then there will be a revival of this kind of thing


if the man wants to use a term that likely came out of either me or SPM and is clearly a play on his last name, let him

and save the "Coon" calls for people who are actually "cooning" (Shitlock and other such people who are clearly doing the best of a bad Mantan Moreland impression whenever Kapernick breathes)

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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people are lobbying for Bowles to be fired after one losing season and he probably won't see another head coaching job again.

>yes, the fuck we do
>
>there's an asswipe over there cheating coaching a cheater's
>Hall of Famer in one of those states near New York that I
>can't wait to see catch a L to the Raiders in the playoffs

that asswipe cheater was horrible in his first head coaching job and rolled right into another


>D'Postrophe was roasted and called "toilet" related things
>where-ever he popped up (quiet this year, I guess, since he
>and Harden are a match made in heaven)

Antoni's been exposed too many times to count but as soon as he's fired he's the hot name for the next available coaching job

>fuck Jeff Fisher in the goat ass (been that way since the
>Griff trade), was glad to see Nick Foles become his problem
>for at least a season. (there is an entire post devoted to him
>being the face of white privilege)

Fisher is 1 loss a way from being the losingest coach in NFL history and just got a 2 year extension. He hasn't had a winning record since 2008, in 22 NFL seasons as a head coach he's had a winning record 6 times.

>"Porn Shortcut In The Browser" Rambis was roasted for
>basically being a shitty take on the principal from Ferris
>Bueller tryna coach the Knicks after Derek Fisher got fired
>(and somehow FEEL Jackson -- there's another one kept him on
>staff)

Right, as long as Feel is around he's going to have a job

>Andy Reid? We Eagles fans let him have it every season when he
>threw the QB to the slaughter with the cut-rate Mike Martz
>bullshit ... and even now, when he resurrects it with ALEX
>SMITH as the QB

Again, the minute he was fired teams were lining up to hire him

>Chip was pretty much reviled once he cut and traded the all
>good players and all he did better than Andy over 3 seasons
>was beat the Cheaters with an underachieving Sam Bradford

see above

>and to be sure, if Doug Pedersen continues to pretend Wentz =
>Alex Smith then there will be a revival of this kind of thing
>
>
>if the man wants to use a term that likely came out of either
>me or SPM and is clearly a play on his last name, let him
>
>and save the "Coon" calls for people who are actually
>"cooning" (Shitlock and other such people who are clearly
>doing the best of a bad Mantan Moreland impression whenever
>Kapernick breathes)

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I never called for him to be fired. I just don't think he is any good and I said why. I don't give a fuck what mouth breather is calling for his head on NJ.com, we HERE now, and I am saying he sucks. All the rest of it is noise and distractions.

Tell the truth…how many Jets games you watched this year all the way through?

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there's a reason why there's a post about Ty D. Bowles instead of Hue Jackson (who I hope gets to KEEP his job, with the shit show that he inherited)

because Ty is not coaching good now.
that's all this post was.

this isn't "FIRE THE BLACK COACH"

>there's a reason why there's a post about Ty D. Bowles
>instead of Hue Jackson (who I hope gets to KEEP his job, with
>the shit show that he inherited)
>
>because Ty is not coaching good now.
>that's all this post was.
>
>this isn't "FIRE THE BLACK COACH"
>
>

I am not even advocating that they fire him. I just watched two years of Jets football and thus far am pretty unimpressed. And if he is impressing his players, they need to start showing it.

Only person on D hustling out there is Leonard Williams and sometimes the young linebackers but they also seem lost. Not sure if Revis is really trying or not, he might be. And this is a veteran squad so I dunno but the arrow is not pointing up. Any other games in the last 4 that look that bad schematically and effort wise ON DEFENSE and yeah, homie is gonna be in trouble.



I have no reason to think the Jets will be healthier next ye
I made a post begging Hue not to take the Cleveland job BECAUSE I wanted him to be successful. I still hope he is.

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