It’s actually been more than 2 weeks since the last PPV! How’s everybody enjoying WWE lately? Myself, I honestly haven’t watched a minute of the product since the last PPV, and am caught up only by reading results and browsing this here thread. Can it just be Royal Rumble time already?

Here’s the final card for Survivor Series and bonus questions for the event. I’m too lazy to list out everyone in the traditional Survivor Series matches, especially the fucking 20-person tag match, so I’m just writing Raw v. SmackDown, as you should write when filling in your predictions. Since there are only 6 matches and this is one of the “big” PPVs, I’m doing 6 bonus questions rather than 4.

Survivor Series Final Card:
Brock Lesnar v. Goldberg
Men’s Survivor Series Match: Raw v. SmackDown
Women’s Survivor Series Match: Raw v. SmackDown
Tag Team Survivor Series Match: Raw v. SmackDown
Intercontinental Title: Dolph Ziggler (c) v. Sami Zayn
Cruiserweight Title (Winner’s Brand Gets CW Division): Brian Kendrick (c, Raw) v. Kalisto (SD)

Bonus Questions:
1. How many total "survivors" will there be between the 3 traditional SS matches? (Minimum answer is of course 3)
2. Will a team blow a 3-1 lead? (Yes or No)
3. Will James Ellsworth be involved in the elimination of Ambrose and/or Styles? (Yes or No)
4. Which traditional SS match will feature the fastest elimination? (Men’s Women’s of Tag Team)
5. Who will have the first entrance in the Men's SS match? (If they walk out as teams, if your guess is on the first team to enter you get the point)
6. Who is the first to hit a finisher in the Lesnar/Goldberg match? (Finishers = F5 or Jackhammer)

Linkage: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RZgRvUsyrRwPDsnlMGaeo3ymxXn0duAuyi0Soi5Urnc/edit?usp=sharing

Cancelled my network subscription and haven't watched any parts of Raw in a few weeks, haven't watched a full episode in probably months.

Other than Jericho's comedy, I don't care about one thing they are doing right now. I'll check back around Royal Runble time.

And they copped the "Pros vs Joes" fantasy camp package.

He's basically a middle class mans Shane O Mac.

Of this I am 100% convinced.

I'm guessing each team is 1 and not 2 so that if 2 teams are left on the winning team it counts as 2 survivors and not 4?

If a person from a tag team gets eliminated is their partner also eliminated?

If that is the case, Tag Teams count as 1.
If both members must be pinned to be eliminated, each individual counts as 1.

God help us if we have to see 19 people get eliminated in that match.

>If a person from a tag team gets eliminated is their partner
>also eliminated?
>
>If that is the case, Tag Teams count as 1.

If Anderson gets pinned, then Gallows is out as well, etc.

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>Survivor Series Final Card:
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>Intercontinental Title: Dolph Ziggler (c) v. Sami Zayn

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Miz beat Ziggler for the belt on Tuesday

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I've been probably 6-7 times by now and they wow me every time. This time I wasn't even crazy about the roster and it was in a venue that was shitty for wrestling. Still had a great time.

People really popped when Ember Moon and Asuka were in the ring. I think they could have a great match together. Also booing Elias Samson (acoustic guitar hobo) is a religious experience.

I've been to 2 local shows and the NXT Dallas before Mania last year and they are up there with 3 of the best shows I've ever attended.

The crowd has a great time, the wrestlers have a great time and everyone is trying to put on a great show. It's just so different than the risk adverse, just draw it out for sponsor money Raw live.

I haven't been keeping up lately and once I read McMOAR ©Cold Truth was putting himself on Team Smackdown I completely checked out. One of my friends is having a SS watch party and I'm going over there for that, mostly to eat, but no way I'm staying for the full show. I think the only match I'm really looking forward to is Miz/Zayn. Other than that I could care less about the outcomes.

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The excitement nearly always comes from the faces like American Alpha or DIY, but I think people overlook the consistency of The Revival.

They are a classic Heel tag team that makes everyone look great and perfected heel tag team work.

There is a spot for them on SD right now.

in just the past year and change. I'm a huge fan of all of them, but the Revival are such good heels it makes the babyfaces THAT much more over. I could watch them wrestle AA and DIY for forever. It's a prefect combination.

great event overall last night. I kinda want them to promote Roode right now. I was up in the air about who I thought would win until I saw Dillinger and Roode stand in the ring together. I love Tye and his gimmick is crazy fun to watch live, but Roode looks custom-built for the main event. His wrestling isn't world-changing but the look, attitude, and entrance are all there.

I didn't see that Joe/Nak ending happening, but I'm enjoying this feud a lot more than Joe/Finn and am happy to see it continue.

TM 61 and Authors of Pain still have a ways to go to get over but last night was a pretty solid step in the right direction. Still the least memorable part of the night for an event that was a big deal last year. I still don't know if I liked or hated the shark cage thing, but sure.

I liked Asuka/Mickie more than I thought I would. I'm more confident that Asuka would get over on the main roster than I was a few months ago. I'd like to see her head to Smackdown and feud with Becky.

Can we please get an AA/Revival/DIY 3 way tag match at Mania?
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They are going to save the tag division in WWE with how many they are putting out.

They have made women's wrestling matter and are starting to build up a new crop that are a while away from being ready but are getting much better.

There is a serious lack of singles wrestlers who matter right now though. They can't afford to put Roode, Nakamura or Joe on the main roster and also hold huge sell out events before major PPVs. I'm ok with them rebuilding a roster, but you can't make a giant event at Rumble or Mania headlined by Tye Dillanger vs No Way Jose for the title.

I'd rather see Roode stay down there and do great heel work, on the main roster I think he'll just become an upper midcarder heel used to get other people over which is well and good, but you might as well let him do that in NXT instead for now. They're basically in a spot where if they want NXT to stay huge they have to keep the big names they have.

cause with declining ratings on both shows he must be tempted to take one of those top 3 guys. those live shows must be a pretty good source of income cause people don't really watch the weekly show anymore. there's just too much damn wrestling.

Assuming the big 3 is Roode, Nakamura and Joe

Vince has had ample opportunities I imagine to have all of those guys on Raw and never took it. I"m sure other factors play in, but end of the day if Vince wants someone he gets them usually.

Of the 3 I think Nakamura is the only one with no real ceiling of what he can do on the main roster, his natural charisma will connect with people instantly. I think Roode and Joe can serve a purpose but we know what it is already.

Man, I'm mad at myself for continually forgetting how dope the Revival is. Then, I watch a Takeover event and the Revival go out and kill it no matter who they face. Those guys are just great. Also, no flips, just fists is a great slogan.

I agree about the NXT Tag Title matches - they've had a bunch of epic tag matches this year but what's sad is that I can't think of a single one from the main shows that rivals it. The tag division is becoming incredible on RAW/Smackdown but I'd like to see the division treated with more respect: more tag feuds outside of title matches and more time for tag title matches on PPVs too.

As you say Revival are doing incredible work on NXT but I doubt how effective they'll be on the main roster.

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I don't watch NXT, mainly because I can't afford adding to my cable bill right now (especially for wrestling). I watch WWE, ROH, TNA, and New Japan. TNA is basically a time-waster except for the occasional storyline and a couple of guys. ROH has been a long time favorite of mine, mostly because it had always been the mirror or ECW (real ECW, nit the McMahon bastardization)...it's local, fairly unpolished with an emphasis on wrestling instead of cartoons like WWE, and brought in talent from Mexico and Japan and let them be great on their own merits. I love New Japan for the same reasons...great talent, wrestling based product without the Over production that WWE brings to the table (you can actually see moves happen without camera switches...imagine that!) The main problem I have with it is the time lag (I watch New Japan on AXS TV, and they are months behind

My question is which is a better over all show, NXT or New Japan, taking into consideration all factors (presentation, talent, storylines, etc)? Just curious if I'm really missing something...

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It's good, but they kinda meander around until the Takeovers. It's still developmental so they try out some stuff and a lot of it doesn't hit. They also do such a good job with the promo packages that you get caught up pretty quickly. Plus once someone is worth anything they're on a Takeover lineup soon after.

but as far as comparing Takeovers to NJPW's big events... NXT's worst matches are usually better than NJPW's but that's because NJPW's cards are loaded with more random 6-man tag matches while NXT's are smaller and more consistent with great matches. That being said, NJPW's op 3 or so matches on each card are going to be better than NXT's usually. Presentation really depends on whether or not English commentary is available, and if it's not, whether commentary is that important to you. It's actually kind of interesting watching it with Japanese commentary where you get the emotion and reaction to the moves, but don't get any corny dialoge and have to rely on the wrestlers to tell the story.

We currently have an even 10 people participating in the prediction series which would be a perfect number for a Royal Rumble game. I'm thinking we'll do a draft for entry numbers (each getting 3) and points will be given (or subtracted) based on a variety of shit such as:

#Entrant wins the rumble
#Entrant is the runner-up
#Etrannt is in the Final Four (not incl. top 2)
#Entrant has the most eliminations
#Entrant has the longest time in the match
#Entrant has the shortest time in the match (minus points)
#Entrant records the first elimination
#Entrant is the first to be eliminated (minus points)
#Entrant never enters the match (minus points)
#Entrant immediately before or after eventual winner
#Entrant is currently a WWE or NXT title holder
#Entrant is currently in NXT
#Entrant is a surprise entrant
#Entrant eliminates tag team partner or stable member

So a few questions:
-If we were to draft, how long do you think it would take? It doesn't have to be live, but realistically, how much time should I give to ensure we get it wrapped up before the event?
-What would everyone's prefered method of drafting be? Email, a sheet on the current Google doc?
-What other things would you want to see added to the list above for getting points?
-How much weight do you want this to get? For example, if I give something like 15 points to the winning entry there's a chance they end up with 3 events worth of points, which puts too much emphasis on what's basically a game of chance. 5-7 points for the winner? 2-3 for second? 2 for most eliminations, longest time? 1 for all the other randoms?

>So a few questions:
>-If we were to draft, how long do you think it would take? It
>doesn't have to be live, but realistically, how much time
>should I give to ensure we get it wrapped up before the
>event?


Close to a week, since not everyone comes to the board every day and you know someone (possibly me) is gonna lag behind...


>-What would everyone's prefered method of drafting be? Email,
>a sheet on the current Google doc?

I think the Google doc is easiest. centralized location that everyone can access and see whenever.


>-What other things would you want to see added to the list
>above for getting points?

I think what you have listed (or a good portion of it) along with whatever title matches take place is plenty of opportunity to get points.


>-How much weight do you want this to get? For example, if I
>give something like 15 points to the winning entry there's a
>chance they end up with 3 events worth of points, which puts
>too much emphasis on what's basically a game of chance. 5-7
>points for the winner? 2-3 for second? 2 for most
>eliminations, longest time? 1 for all the other randoms?

5 for the winner, 3 for the runner up, 2 for most eliminations, maybe zero points for the first 5 eliminated as a punishment for sucking, and 1 for anything else.

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>I think what you have listed (or a good portion of it) along
>with whatever title matches take place is plenty of
>opportunity to get points.
>

We will have the regular predictions for the PPV where we predict matches and then Rumble shit like who will win, who will be the iron man, who will have the most eliminations, etc then we'll have the "OKP Rumble" which we'll draft entrant #s and get whatever points they get us.

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We got 2 1/2 hours of show left for three matches....



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