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"Chip Kelly and the Vanishing Offense"


          

https://theringer.com/chip-kelly-san-francisco-49ers-offense-f332f053870e#.osxxgp5o7

great read by Smart Football's Chris Brown. the why and how to Chip's offensive demise, and it's not just his dismissive attitude towards personnel. some of the best parts:

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...But another element is that while the no-huddle works in the NFL — and Kelly’s 2013 opponents were largely unprepared for Kelly’s pace — it’s not as effective as it is in college football for a very simple reason: The NFL doesn’t permit teams to ever reach the warp speeds Kelly’s Oregon teams typically operated at.

“In the NFL, what they did is the officials stand over the ball until the officials are ready to call the game,” Alabama head coach (and Kelly friend) Nick Saban explained in 2014. “The coach at Philadelphia ran 83 plays a game at Oregon, and runs 65 a game in Philadelphia...when they went to Philadelphia in the NFL and they were going so fast, the officials said, ‘We control the pace of the game.’ The league said, ‘The officials control the pace of the game, not a coach.’”

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In the NFL, Kelly seems to have gone out of his way to start immobile QBs, drafting Matt Barkley, signing Mark Sanchez (twice!), and trading for Sam Bradford. If Kelly wants to de-emphasize the read-option, then his offense must evolve to counterbalance the loss of a potent tactic.

Instead, Kelly’s answer has been to simply run plays that look like read-options, but without any reads or options. This has not gone well.

Kelly once said that the shotgun inside zone “is not a great play if the quarterback hands off to the running back and everyone in the stadium knows who has the ball.” He was right, and his NFL offense is now proof.

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The alignment of the tight end and running back gives away the play: If the tight end and running back lined up on opposite sides of the line, Kelly’s team ran a sweep toward the tight end; if they lined up on the same side, it was an inside zone away from the tight end. This giveaway hasn’t always been in Kelly’s offense, but as he phased out read-options he increasingly kept the tight end backside to block the defensive end on inside zone plays.

“We knew what plays were coming,” Seahawks linebacker Bobby Wagner said after the game. “Their offense is kind of predictable. They have a lot of plays where they can only run one way.”

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It’s impossible to win in the NFL if the defense knows the play beforehand. But for Kelly, the problem is amplified because of his tempo: If you stop Kelly’s offense, you also stop his team.

“Chip Kelly is a friend, but I could not run the offense he runs,” Stanford head coach David Shaw said this summer at a coaching clinic. “If you run an up-tempo offense, you better be good at staying on the field. If you cannot get first downs, your defense will play the entire game.”

Indeed, the 2015 Eagles defense defended an incredible 1,148 plays, while the team that defended the fewest, the Seahawks, played just 947 snaps. At an NFL average of around 65 plays a game, Kelly’s defense effectively played three more games than Seattle’s.

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as someone who suffered thru it weekly..."well, duh"(c)Marge Simpson
Sep 12th 2016
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I made these arguments, was hated on
Sep 12th 2016
2
accurate n/m
Sep 12th 2016
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the last sentence you shared is unfathomable
Sep 12th 2016
3
yup, it was great
Sep 12th 2016
4
The NFL 'not allowing' that pace was some pure horseshit.
Sep 12th 2016
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What did the NFL have to lose by not allowing this pace?
Sep 12th 2016
6
TV timeouts.
Sep 12th 2016
9
      yup
Sep 12th 2016
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      Makes sense
Sep 12th 2016
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      yep, if anything they should just look to the NBA's forced timeouts
Sep 12th 2016
17
reason #4081 the nfl sucks.
Sep 12th 2016
19
Great read
Sep 12th 2016
8
solid info..
Sep 12th 2016
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But we were told he's a genius.
Sep 12th 2016
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RE: But we were told he's a genius.
Sep 12th 2016
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      Heh.
Sep 12th 2016
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      oh I'll take that L but y'all know I was off the bandwagon by Desean
Sep 13th 2016
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RE: Chip Kelly and the Vanishing Offense
Sep 12th 2016
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overrated af as a college coach, (he was good, not great)
Sep 12th 2016
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He stinks
Sep 13th 2016
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1. "as someone who suffered thru it weekly..."well, duh"(c)Marge Simpson"
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I give him at most two years in SF.

>https://theringer.com/chip-kelly-san-francisco-49ers-offense-f332f053870e#.osxxgp5o7
>
>great read by Smart Football's Chris Brown. the why and how to
>Chip's offensive demise, and it's not just his dismissive
>attitude towards personnel. some of the best parts:
>
>****
>
>...But another element is that while the no-huddle works in
>the NFL — and Kelly’s 2013 opponents were largely
>unprepared for Kelly’s pace — it’s not as effective
>as it is in college football for a very simple reason: The NFL
>doesn’t permit teams to ever reach the warp speeds Kelly’s
>Oregon teams typically operated at.
>
>“In the NFL, what they did is the officials stand over the
>ball until the officials are ready to call the game,”
>Alabama head coach (and Kelly friend) Nick Saban explained in
>2014. “The coach at Philadelphia ran 83 plays a game at
>Oregon, and runs 65 a game in Philadelphia...when they went to
>Philadelphia in the NFL and they were going so fast, the
>officials said, ‘We control the pace of the game.’ The
>league said, ‘The officials control the pace of the game,
>not a coach.’”
>
>****
>
>In the NFL, Kelly seems to have gone out of his way to start
>immobile QBs, drafting Matt Barkley, signing Mark Sanchez
>(twice!), and trading for Sam Bradford. If Kelly wants to
>de-emphasize the read-option, then his offense must evolve to
>counterbalance the loss of a potent tactic.
>
>Instead, Kelly’s answer has been to simply run plays that
>look like read-options, but without any reads or options. This
>has not gone well.
>
>Kelly once said that the shotgun inside zone “is not a great
>play if the quarterback hands off to the running back and
>everyone in the stadium knows who has the ball.” He was
>right, and his NFL offense is now proof.
>
>****
>
>The alignment of the tight end and running back gives away the
>play: If the tight end and running back lined up on opposite
>sides of the line, Kelly’s team ran a sweep toward the tight
>end; if they lined up on the same side, it was an inside zone
>away from the tight end. This giveaway hasn’t always been in
>Kelly’s offense, but as he phased out read-options he
>increasingly kept the tight end backside to block the
>defensive end on inside zone plays.
>
>“We knew what plays were coming,” Seahawks linebacker
>Bobby Wagner said after the game. “Their offense is kind of
>predictable. They have a lot of plays where they can only run
>one way.”
>
>****
>
>It’s impossible to win in the NFL if the defense knows the
>play beforehand. But for Kelly, the problem is amplified
>because of his tempo: If you stop Kelly’s offense, you also
>stop his team.
>
>“Chip Kelly is a friend, but I could not run the offense he
>runs,” Stanford head coach David Shaw said this summer at a
>coaching clinic. “If you run an up-tempo offense, you better
>be good at staying on the field. If you cannot get first
>downs, your defense will play the entire game.”
>
>Indeed, the 2015 Eagles defense defended an incredible 1,148
>plays, while the team that defended the fewest, the Seahawks,
>played just 947 snaps. At an NFL average of around 65 plays a
>game, Kelly’s defense effectively played three more games
>than Seattle’s.

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2. "I made these arguments, was hated on "
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Hi

  

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7. "accurate n/m"
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3. "the last sentence you shared is unfathomable "
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I'm gonna read this

  

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4. "yup, it was great"
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5. "The NFL 'not allowing' that pace was some pure horseshit."
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that's one of their "hold the status quo" moves that really makes it suck (yet, they let the Cheaters do it because Brady). THAT I don't blame Chip for.

Granted, I think he was really eating the poo poo with his ridiculous handle on personnel and the other items brought up in the article, thus it was a fail.

  

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6. "What did the NFL have to lose by not allowing this pace?"
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They keep making the game more and more offensively friendly and nothing is more offensive and viewer friendly than a Chip offense going at full speed.

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9. "TV timeouts."
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The offense lining up and hurrying means the game takes less time, meaning less time to sell ad space.

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13. "Makes sense"
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17. "yep, if anything they should just look to the NBA's forced timeouts"
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they already have the two minute warning in the 2nd and 4th quarters, which I'm sure were originally intended for deeper strategy but now primarily serve as extra time for advertisements. The NBA has THREE of those in the 2nd and 4th quarters and two in the first and third. The NFL has enough commercial opportunities for injuries and regular timeouts that it'd likely ruin the pace of the game for people in the stadium but it'd be somewhat imperceptible to the audience at home who's already transitioning to Red Zone lifestyles anyway.


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19. "reason #4081 the nfl sucks. "
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>that's one of their "hold the status quo" moves that really
>makes it suck (yet, they let the Cheaters do it because
>Brady). THAT I don't blame Chip for.

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8. "Great read "
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Additionally, he dug himself an even bigger hole by decimating the interior O-line resulting in constant penetration and negative runs, especially on any inside zone. Demarco caught a lot of flack last year but dude was running extremely well, the issue was he was constantly getting hit behind the LoS.

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15. "RE: But we were told he's a genius."
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21. "oh I'll take that L but y'all know I was off the bandwagon by Desean"
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but the point of that post (besides being a Hov/Big flip for the title) was the same thing Claw earlier stated was the one valid complaint, which is the NFL being on some bullshit in their selective policing of the pace.

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14. "RE: Chip Kelly and the Vanishing Offense"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2214633&mesg_id=2214633&listing_type=search#2228837

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18. "overrated af as a college coach, (he was good, not great)"
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IDK what the hell NFL GMs were thinking...

#freeCarlosHyde from that dump

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20. "He stinks"
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last year was the worst coached season of football I have ever seen on any level.

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