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"Poll question: Where does Lebron James rank all-time?"


          

I officially retire the #Kang agenda. There's nothing left to prove.

It's been a pleasure.

Poll result (71 votes)
Top 5 (16 votes)Vote
Top 3 (4 votes)Vote
Only Jordan better (37 votes)Vote
GOAT (9 votes)Vote
Not even top 10. My life needs refurbishment. (5 votes)Vote

  

  

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Only Jordan better
Jun 19th 2016
1
IMO he was top 5 regardless but this puts him squarely in the top 3 conv...
Jun 19th 2016
2
I've got at least Jordan and Kareem above him.
Jun 19th 2016
3
why Kareem? for longevity? cuz Lebron is better.
Jun 19th 2016
6
      You had him at #2 before tonight so I'm gonna let this foolishness rock
Jun 19th 2016
11
      turns out he was correct; you weren't.
Jun 19th 2016
17
           That's not quantifiable but ok dude
Jun 20th 2016
29
      Kareem before most of his rings was better. Then he won five more rings.
Jun 20th 2016
38
      no dog in this fight, but people putting lebron ahead of kareem are craz...
Jun 20th 2016
52
           Obviously Kareem had the better career. IMO he was also the better playe...
Jun 20th 2016
58
      Winning this championship somehow leapfrogs LeBron over Kareem?
Jun 22nd 2016
137
      #Broncurve, lol...:
Jun 22nd 2016
143
      what? how do you think this happened? lol...
Jun 22nd 2016
142
was already top 3
Jun 19th 2016
4
Anyone that says anything other GOAT is on some agenda shit..
Jun 19th 2016
5
Jordan accomplished more re: rings
Jun 20th 2016
25
This is why I love you guys
Jun 20th 2016
28
More than just rings, look at his trophy case, man.
Jun 20th 2016
63
to be clear: I still have Jordan as #1
Jun 21st 2016
93
SMH at the "returned to a lottery team" narrative
Jun 20th 2016
64
      well - a lottery team is.....a lottery team.
Jun 21st 2016
94
      Just like Garnett joined a lottery Celtics team in summer of '07
Jun 22nd 2016
121
      I love that too
Jun 22nd 2016
119
A 3 - 5 record is literally the opposite of dominance.
Dec 02nd 2017
197
dont care but obviously better than Kobe
Jun 19th 2016
7
What we do know is that you care about Kobe
Jun 19th 2016
8
RE: What we do know is that you care about Kobe
Jun 19th 2016
10
Didnt say he was wrong...just that Kobe's always on his mind lol
Jun 19th 2016
13
CRY BITCH!!
Jun 19th 2016
19
Chill, I agree. Still doesn't change your obsession
Jun 19th 2016
20
nah man kobe stans can't have it both ways
Jun 20th 2016
39
^^^^^^^ this is about it. Not better than Jordan.
Jun 19th 2016
9
He's retired and STILL on your brain? After that game? Grow up dogg.
Jun 19th 2016
12
LeBron just took a franchise with no rings to a championship
Jun 19th 2016
18
I respect the madmaking in this reply.
Jun 20th 2016
22
5
Jun 22nd 2016
129
He was better before
Jun 22nd 2016
138
Only Jordan and Kareem better.
Jun 19th 2016
14
dont even know about Kareem now
Jun 20th 2016
23
      Kareem we know was later 30's.....young Kareem? Sheeeeeit.
May 28th 2018
244
it's disrespectful to even mention Kobe in the same breath as Bron
Jun 19th 2016
15
A BUNCH of guys were yelling at me for saying he was obvi. top 10
Jun 19th 2016
16
lol, yep...you took mad damage points
Jun 20th 2016
24
interesting that none of them are here now.
Jun 20th 2016
26
Has anyone here in 2016 really said he isn't top 10?
Jun 20th 2016
32
      Yes.
Jun 20th 2016
33
      LINK
Jun 20th 2016
34
      My entire point before last night was that he's number 5 exactly.
Jun 20th 2016
36
not really "a bunch" or "yelling," as i recall it was rbo and i lol.
Jun 20th 2016
40
      i was more referring to Cold Truth than you, but fair n/m
Jun 20th 2016
43
           yeah but you have to filter everything he says, tone down the intensity
Jun 20th 2016
46
                you gotta share your insight with us over in the wrestling posts
Jun 20th 2016
54
Only person in my life that actually fucking DELIVERED on the hype
Jun 20th 2016
21
THIS. He's there with very few (Tiger, Gretzky...) in this regard nm
Jun 20th 2016
67
I can think of a lot of guys who have delivered on hype but ...
Jun 21st 2016
88
Sidney Crosby just won his 2nd Cup in the Cap Era, Pat Kane has 3
Jun 22nd 2016
120
      update: Crosby has added 1 since that post. Bron has not.
Jun 11th 2018
258
#2 now. Hard to question.
Jun 20th 2016
27
Went from Most Hated to The Champion God Flow
Jun 20th 2016
30
LeBron when facing elimination since 2012:
Jun 20th 2016
31
NOBODY PUTS BABY IN A CORNER (c) Vex_id
Jun 20th 2016
41
bron lead everyone in the finals in the 5 major statistical categories.
Jun 20th 2016
35
I've thought about this a lot since Game 5.
Jun 20th 2016
37
Anyone who puts him above MJ is
Jun 20th 2016
42
Like I said in another post...James....
Jun 20th 2016
44
Kobe mad as shit today
Jun 20th 2016
45
Imagine if Tim comes back and gets No. 6 somehow
Jun 20th 2016
47
He says as he keeps talking about him
Jun 20th 2016
48
he retired like ten minutes ago.
Jun 20th 2016
49
      Right, and both AI and Kobe are icons
Jun 20th 2016
51
           definitely won't be forgotten
Jun 20th 2016
53
           Fair and no problem w that.
Jun 20th 2016
57
           For many people that war is still going on. It's very sad
May 28th 2018
241
           forgotten, no, obviously not. that is ridiculous
Jun 20th 2016
59
5
Jun 22nd 2016
141
best non-center.
Jun 20th 2016
50
People putting him above Jordan are tripping or on that homer shit
Jun 21st 2016
87
      he just gives you more flexibility, man
Jun 22nd 2016
146
           Are utility players the best guys in MLB?
May 28th 2018
242
Only Kareem better. Fuck Jordan.
Jun 20th 2016
55
I listened to bitter Isiah talking about how Lebron does it all
Jun 20th 2016
60
      Jordan also had a better postgame
Jun 20th 2016
66
      Yup, no question
Jun 20th 2016
68
      Scoring and shooting edge, JamBone still on that LeBrick somewhere.
Jun 21st 2016
70
i don't really rank cross-era / all-time too much
Jun 20th 2016
56
Best player of the 21st Century
Jun 20th 2016
61
dude has that goliath thing, almost like shaq and wilt had it
Jun 20th 2016
65
After Jordan, on Magic and Bird level
Jun 20th 2016
62
To me bigs from yesteryear are not a reach to compare
Jun 21st 2016
69
Basically it's.....
Jun 21st 2016
71
so disrespectful.
Jun 21st 2016
72
      RE: so disrespectful.
Jun 21st 2016
73
      Bron is about Larry Bird level, below Kobe and Shaq
Jun 21st 2016
74
           RE: Bron is about Larry Bird level, below Kobe and Shaq
Jun 21st 2016
75
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jun 21st 2016
81
           both Bron and Bird are above Kobe and Shaq
Jun 21st 2016
79
           RE: both Bron and Bird are above Kobe and Shaq
Jun 21st 2016
80
           Shaq and Hakeem are hard ones to evaluate
Jun 21st 2016
85
                RE: Shaq and Hakeem are hard ones to evaluate
Jun 21st 2016
90
                I would have both in my top 10 or at least 12 but as far as exact rank ....
Jun 21st 2016
99
                Wilt and Bill are definitely the toughest ones to place
Jun 21st 2016
96
                     We are talking about the best individual player though
Jun 21st 2016
107
           Excellent. Glad that your return to the boards is full-retard.
Jun 21st 2016
83
      Have you apologized to Lebron James yet?
Jun 21st 2016
77
Career or individual talent?
Jun 21st 2016
76
Probably Top 3.
Jun 21st 2016
78
4. MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bron
Jun 21st 2016
82
No Wilt? And to me Magic and Bird always go in the same breath
Jun 21st 2016
86
      RE: No Wilt? And to me Magic and Bird always go in the same breath
Jun 21st 2016
89
      RE: No Wilt? And to me Magic and Bird always go in the same breath
Jun 21st 2016
108
           RE: No Wilt? And to me Magic and Bird always go in the same breath
Jun 22nd 2016
118
                Wilt won a ring in 1972, faced Jabbar in his athletic prime
Jun 23rd 2016
148
      I ranked who I was able to see playing.
Jun 21st 2016
98
Just copped the shoes Bron had on for Game 7. Nate Dogg Tribute
Jun 21st 2016
84
RE: Just copped the shoes Bron had on for Game 7. Nate Dogg Tribute
Jun 21st 2016
91
this link should work
Jun 21st 2016
101
yikes.
Jun 21st 2016
95
      you can put all sorts of shit on them
Jun 21st 2016
100
NO REFURBISHMENT NECESSARY THO
Jun 21st 2016
92
RE: Jordan's rings vs Bron's rings
Jun 21st 2016
97
Eh, I dunno
Jun 21st 2016
102
fair - but you're understating the Spurs
Jun 21st 2016
103
      The Suns, Sonics and Jazz were all at their peaks, too
Jun 21st 2016
105
      I don't know why this bothered me so much, but it's just off
May 05th 2017
155
blah blah blah. six and oh, nigga. weep.
Jun 21st 2016
104
Dude cysing that 1.1% in winning percentage lol
Jun 21st 2016
106
Holla at 11 guy.
Jun 22nd 2016
134
it wasn't "way tougher". Come On Man (c) Rex
Jun 22nd 2016
110
      I don't think the Suns would "shit" on the Dubs lol
Jun 22nd 2016
113
           lost in this collective circle jerk
Jun 22nd 2016
115
                LOL yea that 73-team sucked, bro.
Jun 22nd 2016
116
META: At what point do we have too many great players for a Top 5?
Jun 21st 2016
109
Be mad another day. We talking about Lebron, thanks.
Jun 22nd 2016
111
There are 0 players I'm starting a team with over Lebron James, ever.
Jun 22nd 2016
112
both sides make it nearly impossible to just enjoy Lebron
Jun 22nd 2016
114
Have you apologized to Lebron James yet?
Jun 22nd 2016
117
Depends
Jun 22nd 2016
122
Have you apologized to Lebron James yet?
Jun 22nd 2016
123
      Why would I do that?
Jun 22nd 2016
124
           It's just you and Skip Bayless against the world bruh
Jun 22nd 2016
125
           I thought skip was your boy tho lol
Jun 22nd 2016
127
           An immutabe factor = you being bitter, stinky and mad
Jun 22nd 2016
126
                If a liar like you admired me, THEN id be worried
Jun 22nd 2016
128
                     You're a slob. An embarrassing slob. Gross.
Jun 22nd 2016
135
                          Word.
Jun 22nd 2016
136
This post I made a year ago is still valid...: #Broncurve #RingsMatter
Jun 22nd 2016
130
so is the first reply though
Jun 22nd 2016
133
Lebron stans vs Lerbon haters... Let's make a poll!
Jun 22nd 2016
131
so glad i don't care about all time rankings
Jun 22nd 2016
132
LeBron's an interesting case though
Jun 22nd 2016
139
      all of this...but it will never be an argument i'll have.
Jun 22nd 2016
140
Bigger "help"?: 34 year-old Shaq or 24 year-old Kyrie?
Jun 22nd 2016
144
answer: neither; prime Shaq who carried Kobe to 3 titles
Jun 22nd 2016
145
The difference between Lebron and Jordan...
Jun 23rd 2016
147
has Bron cracked y'all top 10 yet or nah?
May 04th 2017
149
he was top 10 after his first title at 28.
May 04th 2017
150
You upped this for 3 people who voted for that or...?
May 04th 2017
151
you're a weirdo bro
May 04th 2017
152
not even in my top 20
May 05th 2017
156
If he stayed in Miami
May 05th 2017
153
If Kobe switched teams twice in his prime he'd have ten rings
May 05th 2017
154
      or probably just three and all as a second banana
May 05th 2017
157
      he was almost a Piston in 07 and they won 59 games w/o him. EDIT
May 05th 2017
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           yeah, that's a real juggernaut.
May 06th 2017
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           they would have needed a plan for post-Sheed/Dyess
May 06th 2017
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                sheed and dice were pretty much washed post-08
May 06th 2017
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           '07 Pistons lost to a one man Cavs team that got swept by the Spurs
May 06th 2017
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           i guess it depends where this hypothetical begins and end
May 06th 2017
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      ^^^^ I detect no lies in this statement
May 07th 2017
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           And THEN Lebron came BACK and won. G shit.
May 07th 2017
168
He is Kang Shannon Sharpe
May 05th 2017
158
jordan, kareem, wilt are the only people ranked ahead of him...
May 06th 2017
160
Somewhere behind his daddy Kawhi & Dad Killer
May 06th 2017
166
taking a team that had the number 1 pick in July
May 07th 2017
169
They added JR/Shump/Love/Frye/RJ/Mozgov...that's 6 rotation players
May 07th 2017
170
There's still time to acknowledge erroneous narratives.
May 08th 2017
171
Who are you talking to?
May 09th 2017
172
Himself.
May 09th 2017
173
      You still didn't apologize to Lebron for last year.
May 09th 2017
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      he's like that crazy dude Exidor from Mork & Mindy
May 09th 2017
176
good thing you officially retired this agenda last year
May 09th 2017
175
      That's actually correct. There is nothing left to prove.
May 09th 2017
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           ....but seriously, WHO are you talking to?
May 09th 2017
179
           sounds like you're still trying to prove something.
May 09th 2017
180
somewhere between Jordan and Lavar Ball
May 09th 2017
178
What other player has played his best basketball in year 15?
Nov 28th 2017
181
RE: What other player has played his best basketball in year 15?
Nov 28th 2017
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How old are you?
Nov 28th 2017
184
      Born in ‘70, but that matters none.
Nov 28th 2017
186
           ...but that wasn't the question...
Nov 28th 2017
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                Okay let’s just leave it at this...
Nov 28th 2017
190
None. His excellence is like nothing we've seen.
Nov 28th 2017
183
Uh Jorn was still at his peak in 98 when he retired
Dec 03rd 2017
198
      RE: Uh Jorn was still at his peak in 98 when he retired
Dec 04th 2017
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      We don't judge people on "what ifs" or "could've's" though.
Dec 04th 2017
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           So you’re saying that there would be some drop off on MJ?
Dec 04th 2017
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      yeah, saying "year 15" is a bit disingenuous.
Dec 04th 2017
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      lol year 15 is year 15. You can finagle nuance all you want
Dec 05th 2017
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           not finagling. merely stating facts, just like you are. 35 is 35.
Dec 05th 2017
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                exactly. Those 2+ years served him well in his final burst
Dec 05th 2017
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                     1+ years.
Dec 05th 2017
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      Kareem was the best player in the NBA a few seasons before Wilt retired
Dec 05th 2017
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           Not really
Dec 05th 2017
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                cmon.
Dec 05th 2017
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                     You c’mon
Dec 06th 2017
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                          cmon wit da cmon
Dec 06th 2017
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                               No you cmon wit da cmon
Dec 08th 2017
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Remember when...
Nov 28th 2017
185
      Yeah he's Def improved his weaknesses
Nov 28th 2017
189
      Not mad at this.
Nov 28th 2017
191
Lebron may not be accepted as #1 until the majority of the media is
Nov 28th 2017
187
are you implying that is a good thing
Nov 28th 2017
192
It's not necessarily either, but possibly good. This is if Lebron contin...
Nov 28th 2017
195
So basically people the didn't see Jordan play?
Nov 28th 2017
193
Basically, yeah.
Nov 28th 2017
194
a lot of "mellinials" think kobe is better than bron
Dec 02nd 2017
196
      yeah there arent many neutral parties of that opinion
Dec 04th 2017
205
Unless he wins more rings, he'll never be accepted as #1
Dec 03rd 2017
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      exactly
Dec 03rd 2017
200
      Even he does win more rings - it won't matter to his detractors
Dec 04th 2017
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      It still matters though b/w 60s an exceptional era in that respect
Dec 04th 2017
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      good point.
Dec 04th 2017
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      Then it should also matter that Bron's played great Finals comp.
Dec 05th 2017
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      Never heard of someone trying to give a loss an asterisk before.
Dec 05th 2017
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      those all time great spurs have 1 title in the last 10 years
Dec 05th 2017
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      AGAIN...Bron's legacy is going to be stats
Dec 06th 2017
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           Kareem got dem 'bers AND the rings
Dec 07th 2017
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                Ok - so you think Kareem is a better basketball player than Bron
Dec 07th 2017
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                I think if u gonna make a Bron GOAT claim based on career #s like bentag...
Dec 08th 2017
231
                ...and he's walking down those spots...
Dec 07th 2017
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                     and Kareem is standing in those spots right today
Dec 08th 2017
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      you use a simple ring test to determine where other all-time greats rank
Dec 05th 2017
211
      It depends who you ask! He can literally win seven rings, but
Dec 04th 2017
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      he wins 7 and there's no conversation
Dec 06th 2017
225
      Its the same thing for Tiger
Dec 05th 2017
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Lebron Is Still Getting Better | FiveThirtyEight
Dec 06th 2017
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only in sports is this a good thing...
Dec 07th 2017
230
Only player ever to reach 30k 8k 8k | Oldest ever to avg. trip-dub
Mar 01st 2018
234
Status update: If you don't have LeBron in the top 2
Mar 01st 2018
235
MJ & Kareem
Mar 01st 2018
236
There are Magic/Kareem arguments that aren't crazy or unfair.
Mar 01st 2018
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      Nah he is definitely ahead of Magic now. It's just Wilt, Jorn, Cap
May 28th 2018
243
           I meant Jordan and Kareem.
May 28th 2018
245
I went from "lol top 5? NOPE" to edging him towards top 3 over the years
Mar 02nd 2018
238
8th straight NBA Finals berth. To do it with *this* team though?!
May 27th 2018
239
RE: 8th straight NBA Finals berth. To do it with *this* team though?!
May 27th 2018
240
      Take Lebron off, put Jordan on....I don't think so.
May 28th 2018
246
#2 at the *lowest*
May 28th 2018
247
RE: Where does Lebron James rank all-time?
May 28th 2018
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GOAT. shit is undeniable, now.
May 28th 2018
249
only one of a handful of ATG's to score 50 in an NBA Finals game.
Jun 01st 2018
250
and he is the only one whose team lost the game, which is insane
Jun 01st 2018
255
2018 NBA Finals Game 1: the GOAT argument narrative has changed
Jun 01st 2018
251
Victims of the moment - because this run is amazing
Jun 01st 2018
253
Wilt first, James second, Jordan third
Jun 01st 2018
252
I'm verrrrrry close to this being my list as well.
Jun 01st 2018
256
#2 til further notice
Jun 01st 2018
254
revised list after 2018:
Jun 11th 2018
257
you gonna be ok?
Jun 11th 2018
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Its only been a few days so if this is any indication.
Jun 11th 2018
260
he actin stone cold stupid. nobody even trippin
Jun 11th 2018
262
imitation; flattery etc. etc...
Jun 11th 2018
263
What was the list before 2018?
Jun 11th 2018
261
Subtract 1 from Green, add 1 to Blue...hit wrong button. Kareem at least
Jun 11th 2018
264
not 1...not 2....not 3....not 4
Oct 11th 2020
265
GOAT is in play lol
Oct 11th 2020
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#1? Big sad?
Oct 12th 2020
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RE: #1? Big sad?
Oct 12th 2020
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This was a pretty interesting convo
Oct 16th 2020
269
You sound mad
Oct 16th 2020
270
      yawn, go drink some tea
Oct 16th 2020
271
Top 3
Oct 16th 2020
272

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1. "Only Jordan better "
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Can't even hate no more. Dude showed the fuck up!

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2. "IMO he was top 5 regardless but this puts him squarely in the top 3 conv..."
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Ryan M
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3. "I've got at least Jordan and Kareem above him. "
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Maybe Magic.

But prob top 3

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6. "why Kareem? for longevity? cuz Lebron is better."
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six straight Finals, sustained truly elite greatness for a decade+, constant winning with a rotating cast of teammates, never any question about who the best player on his team is, never a period of diluted NBA/ABA talent to dominate, and a capstone achievement in acting as the GM, coach, and star of a team to come back from 3-1 down in a Finals to beat the greatest regular season team in history.

like seriously, removing the whole "20 year career" thing, what does Kareem have? the unguardable sky hook? I'd say Lebron at full speed coming into the lane is the same thing. I've stuck by Kareem at #2, but not after tonight...

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11. "You had him at #2 before tonight so I'm gonna let this foolishness rock"
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17. "turns out he was correct; you weren't. "
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29. "That's not quantifiable but ok dude"
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38. "Kareem before most of his rings was better. Then he won five more rings."
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Let's not sell Cap short here.

Bron is the modern-day Oscar Robertson, I don't think we can overlook Oscar. They are neck and neck to me.

Jordan better. Wilt better.

I would give Bron the edge over Shaq, Larry and Magic now, ideas I had been toying with for a while. I'd give it to him over Doc, the logo and narrowly over Moses (still a fucking force) and Hakeem (did not have a long enough or consistent enough prime).

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52. "no dog in this fight, but people putting lebron ahead of kareem are craz..."
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..you can talk about stats, crunch numbers, and even talk overall impact on the game.

• 6 rings
• 6 MVPs
• 19 all star appearances
• 2 scoring titles
• all time leading scorer in nba HISTORY

*and that's not including his 3 straight ncaa championships (or mvps).

lebron has a nice resume, but a bit more work to do before approaching that convo seriously.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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58. "Obviously Kareem had the better career. IMO he was also the better playe..."
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That said, it's a challenging comparison. To me the thing that is amazing about LeBron is that maybe two non-centers in history have had the kind of two-way impact he has. I mean no disrespect to guys like Walt Frazier and Gary Payton--two HOF'ers who are still underrated--but if you look at guys who could control the whole game most of them are centers like Kareem, Wilt, Moses and Hakeem. You have Bron, Jorn and Oscar in terms of non-centers. That is elite fucking company. But yea, cmon ... Cap better.

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137. "Winning this championship somehow leapfrogs LeBron over Kareem?"
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The NBA all-time leader in points who has six rings? Interesting

  

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143. "#Broncurve, lol...:"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=103936

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142. "what? how do you think this happened? lol..."
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>six straight Finals,

>never a period of diluted NBA/ABA talent to dominate,

you don't think those 2 things are related?

You think he'd go to 6 straight finals in the West? or even 3? I know who did tho...

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4. "was already top 3"
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like he's literally had 6 seasons >= steph's unanimous mvp season
and another 3-4 = steph's first mvp
that's mind boggling

i think he's prob goat. but a season or two more like this (regardless of title) cements it with a combination of peak performance and longevity

  

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5. "Anyone that says anything other GOAT is on some agenda shit.."
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Agendas are cool but Bron's historic dominance speaks for itself.

Six straight NBA finals with three victories.
Two of the best performances in NBA history.
A triple double in game 7 against the best regular season team in NBA history.

^^ All this with a rookie head coach and don't even get me started on the 07 Cavs team that Bron took to the finals.

  

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25. "Jordan accomplished more re: rings"
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Though Bron still has some opportunity to close the gap...

but what Bron has accomplished is unparalleled in terms of degree of difficulty. He wasn't drafted to a great team - and had to endure 7 seasons without being surrounded with a championship caliber team. Went to Miami and put together a historic run (4 straight Finals; 2 titles) - and put himself on par with the all-time greats. Then does something that barely anyone expected - returns to Cleveland (a lottery team) - and immediately turns the ship around, and wins the elusive Cleveland championship under *these* kind of circumstances - in the historic, all-time great manner that he played?

Never has been done. Never will be done again.

The only argument that I think is reasonable is Jordan - and he's now closing the gap on that.

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28. "This is why I love you guys "
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>The only argument that I think is reasonable is Jordan - and
>he's now closing the gap on that.
>
>-->


IT AINT GON NEVER STOP (c)

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63. "More than just rings, look at his trophy case, man."
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Jacket has no more room for PATCHES! (c) Bags.


>but what Bron has accomplished is unparalleled in terms of
>degree of difficulty. He wasn't drafted to a great team - and
>had to endure 7 seasons without being surrounded with a
>championship caliber team.

Is that really any different from Jordan's early years?

Went to Miami and put together a
>historic run (4 straight Finals; 2 titles) - and put himself
>on par with the all-time greats. Then does something that
>barely anyone expected - returns to Cleveland (a lottery team)
>- and immediately turns the ship around, and wins the elusive
>Cleveland championship under *these* kind of circumstances -
>in the historic, all-time great manner that he played?

I know, it's kind of like he put together two separate stints to get three titles. A lot like Jordan put together two separate stints to get six.

>Never has been done. Never will be done again.
>
>The only argument that I think is reasonable is Jordan - and
>he's now closing the gap on that.

Wilt told one championship team (that was built around him and was not good before he got there) to go screw so he could go put another one over the top as their stars got old and peaced out.

Let's not go too crazy. Both those guys are still better. Jabbar is still better. That's hallowed ground right there. You gotta pick your fights maybe against Magic and Bird now, which is pretty incredible in and of itself.

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93. "to be clear: I still have Jordan as #1 "
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All I'm laying out is the reasoning as to why Lebron's current trajectory is on-par with Jordan's (when you compare their respective accomplishments by the age of 31). I actually think what Lebron has done by age 31 is slightly *more* impressive than what Jordan accomplished - but Jordan closed so strong in the final chapters of his career that Bron has a lot of work to do just to stay on-par with that, let alone surpass it.

That said - outside of Jordan (and perhaps Kareem) - I don't see persuasive arguments being made for anybody else usurping Bron as the #2/#3 ATG.


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64. "SMH at the "returned to a lottery team" narrative"
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A lottery team that kept getting the number 1 pick and at least was able to parlay it into two all star caliber teammates for him to team up with.

Misleading at the very best.

  

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94. "well - a lottery team is.....a lottery team."
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121. "Just like Garnett joined a lottery Celtics team in summer of '07"
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119. "I love that too"
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Lebron was the only player they added that dummer!

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197. "A 3 - 5 record is literally the opposite of dominance. "
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He's dominated a weak Eastern Conference for years. Thats nothing special.That conference routinely puts teams with losing records into the playoffs.

You have to be a teenager to say Bron being the GOAT is a closed discussion. Top 3 for sure. GOAT no, not even close.

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7. "dont care but obviously better than Kobe"
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its retarded to even debate now

  

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8. "What we do know is that you care about Kobe "
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Since that comprises 99% of your posts lol.

Imo for any rational person who has watched them, Bron has been the better player for a significant time now.

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<--The drought is over

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10. "RE: What we do know is that you care about Kobe "
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He's Tom PETTY......But he's right though....lol....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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13. "Didnt say he was wrong...just that Kobe's always on his mind lol"
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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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19. "CRY BITCH!!"
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My point being, not only has Bron been better the last decade or so, but he will now also unquestionably go down historically as the better talent and players.. big difference.

its like saying Curry was better for 1-2 seasons but no one in they right mind will say he better over a career than Bron

what Bron has been able to accomplish agsinst insurmountable odds with a myriad of rotating players, Kobe could only dream of.

a lotta yall Kobe dickriders still desperately cling onto "5!" as your last resort but even thats sounding retarded now considerin Bron's feat

  

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20. "Chill, I agree. Still doesn't change your obsession "
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Your post record speaks for itself in that regard

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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L D E A

  

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39. "nah man kobe stans can't have it both ways"
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every time there is a chink in lebron's armor, without fail legacy or some other otherwise reasonable person is there to party off it and re-introduce the bean vs bron debate. and the biggest stans never budged, but i won't even look at them. this deads the argument once and forever, and that's worth noting.

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9. "^^^^^^^ this is about it. Not better than Jordan. "
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Different.

But the off the court stuff will eventually elevate him above Jordan.

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12. "He's retired and STILL on your brain? After that game? Grow up dogg. "
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18. "LeBron just took a franchise with no rings to a championship"
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Kobe just took historically the greatest franchise ever to dead fucking last

  

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22. "I respect the madmaking in this reply."
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I know dude means it, and I won't even comment on that.... but godDAMN, the madmaking power in that reply. So efficient per word.

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129. "5"
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138. "He was better before"
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14. "Only Jordan and Kareem better."
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But he's gonna have numbers comparable if not surpassing both when he retires.

  

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23. "dont even know about Kareem now"
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Cap's post-70s career are somewhat inflated imo.. plus Magic made him better/more relevant too.

but Bron made Bron better.. his feats are the most impressive by any measure imo

*only* Jordan is unquestionaly better at this point. And that has more to do with him being peerless rather than superhuman feats like Bron..

BUT Bron still has a few chapters to write.

  

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244. "Kareem we know was later 30's.....young Kareem? Sheeeeeit."
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Could run like a deer, played waaaaaaay above the rim. Was basically unstoppable.

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15. "it's disrespectful to even mention Kobe in the same breath as Bron"
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I feel that way now




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16. "A BUNCH of guys were yelling at me for saying he was obvi. top 10"
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like a week ago.

  

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24. "lol, yep...you took mad damage points"
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26. "interesting that none of them are here now."
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Mad & Wrong is my favorite combo.

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32. "Has anyone here in 2016 really said he isn't top 10?"
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I've seen some "not top 5" but I don't recall anyone saying he isn't top 10.

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34. "LINK"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2543718&mesg_id=2543718&listing_type=search#2544043

  

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36. "My entire point before last night was that he's number 5 exactly. "
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The blowback to LeBrons overratedness on here is diverse. He's been top 10 for years though.

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40. "not really "a bunch" or "yelling," as i recall it was rbo and i lol."
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like i said at the time, he was jockeying around with several of the very best players of all time. i would now top him in the top 5-7 range firmly, and obviously he has had the talent to be no. 1. now i think he has put that within his sights, though to me it will be extremely difficult to get past the top 3 of wilt-jordan-jabbar.

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43. "i was more referring to Cold Truth than you, but fair n/m"
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46. "yeah but you have to filter everything he says, tone down the intensity"
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over the years i have learned to understand him through a complex series of studies, translations and moments where i wanted to reach through the screen and choke him like homer simpson.

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54. "you gotta share your insight with us over in the wrestling posts"
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21. "Only person in my life that actually fucking DELIVERED on the hype"
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We graduated the same high school year and I remembered hearing when I was 15-16 how he was going to be the next player up there with Jordan and the hype since then has been another level.

He's had his ups and downs but he's honestly the only athlete I can remember who's had this hype for so long and actually delivered. And tonight was the crown jewel.

  

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67. "THIS. He's there with very few (Tiger, Gretzky...) in this regard nm"
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88. "I can think of a lot of guys who have delivered on hype but ..."
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few if any that had this much hype. I guess Tiger Woods, Peyton Manning and maybe Sidney Crosby would be similar examples in other sports.

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120. "Sidney Crosby just won his 2nd Cup in the Cap Era, Pat Kane has 3"
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Both of those guys are younger, and compete in a league with a lot more parity and random in-game events.

Lets not go overboard.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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258. "update: Crosby has added 1 since that post. Bron has not."
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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27. "#2 now. Hard to question. "
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3 finals mvps and 4 mvps is a two man list.

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30. "Went from Most Hated to The Champion God Flow"
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I guess that's a feeling only Mike and Lebron know

  

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31. "LeBron when facing elimination since 2012:"
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8-2 (4-0 in Game 7s)
35 points per game
12 rebounds per game
7 assists per game

  

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41. "NOBODY PUTS BABY IN A CORNER (c) Vex_id"
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35. "bron lead everyone in the finals in the 5 major statistical categories."
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https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/744751373284147200

points, assists, rebounds, blocks, steals.

not calling him the goat.
but nobody else in nba history is capable of doing that.

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37. "I've thought about this a lot since Game 5."
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I guess the thing that elevates a guy among the greats to me is their total ability to dominate a game and that's why for me LeBron has moved ahead of, gulp, Magic and Larry. Those guys were incredible and what they could do in terms of running a team (Magic) and powering an offense (Larry) was nearly impossible to duplicate. But they didn't do the things LeBron does on the defensive end.

To me he is in a class of two-way players that is very exclusive and small. Jabbar, Wilt, Hakeem, Moses, Oscar, Jordan and LeBron are the only members of the club. No disrespect to the aforementioned guys or Russell and Jerry West might deserve consideration for the list also. But just in terms of total impact on a game and being able to control it, you have only the most dominant big men and the two most complete perimeter players ever that are there with LeBron. Hopefully he gets in that cryo tank and gives himself a few more seasons at this level. With this accomplishment I think he has put himself back in the GOAT hunt if he can stay at this level for 4-5 years, which would be fucking crazy. Basically he would have put in Bean's entire career with the suck parts book ending it. Please believe that that argument is deader than James Naismith.

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42. "Anyone who puts him above MJ is"
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an over reactive prisoner of the moment and needs to calm the fuck down....

  

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44. "Like I said in another post...James...."
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is no. 3 all time and could EASILY be no. 2......

He took the Cot Damn Cavs to the championship and actually won it.....

For ME....

Jordan
Kareem
Bron
Magic
Duncan

He could def. be no. 2 at this point...That's how great he was in the playoffs....Head and shoulders better than anyone on the court....And if he wins another one he will be running with Jordan.....Gotta keep it real...

And yeah, James is the greatest SF of all time.....No contest.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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45. "Kobe mad as shit today"
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niggas gon forget about that nigga so fast...

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47. "Imagine if Tim comes back and gets No. 6 somehow"
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48. "He says as he keeps talking about him "
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---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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49. "he retired like ten minutes ago."
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AI retired five years ago and you still got stans of various and sundry players taking shots at him.

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51. "Right, and both AI and Kobe are icons"
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Neither of those dudes will be forgotten, I don't understand people trying to convince themselves otherwise.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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53. "definitely won't be forgotten "
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but one of the most fueled debates over the past decade was who would turn out to be the greater star: kobe or bron.

That debate is now over - and in retrospect - it wasn't all that close.

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57. "Fair and no problem w that. "
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Just funny and kinda silly when cats over-exaggerate with that kind of stuff (which is mostly just them projecting lol)

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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241. "For many people that war is still going on. It's very sad"
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And sadder still is that future generations may look at things like ring count and finals record and consider Kobe better. The good fight is eternal, my man

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59. "forgotten, no, obviously not. that is ridiculous"
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but no doubt while bean was signing shoes for people and licking his lips in three languages to the media, his stans were celebrating every little failure for bron and trying to re-hash the debate. it was dead. it just got deader.

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141. "5"
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50. "best non-center."
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87. "People putting him above Jordan are tripping or on that homer shit"
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Some people still salty about the shot, I see.

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146. "he just gives you more flexibility, man"
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actually, I got both Bron and Magic above jordan

  

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242. "Are utility players the best guys in MLB?"
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Magic and Jordan is fairly close like on four nights Jordan would be better on four type shit. But he was definitely better. Fuck positional versatility (BTW Jordan could play three positions), look at well-roundedness. He could become a facilitator when needed. He could rebound when called upon. Magic was obviously much better at those things but he wasn't the scorer Jordan was, even when asked to score, and he was nowhere near the defender.

LeBron is now making a very interesting argument. He is, around the same age that Jordan did, become the guy you just don't want to fuck with in a Game 7 or the fourth quarter thereof. For years Jordan lorded that over him, and of course the low point was the 2011 Finals. But LeBron is now becoming the Justin Williams of basketball while also being the best player in the game on a minute-to-minute basis. I still don't think he is as masterful offensively as Jordan and certainly not as pretty, but there is an element of force to his game that wasn't in Jordan's as well. Defensively he picks his spots a bit but he also doesn't have a Pippen type defender on his squad. I think the versatility argument comes into play on defense, he can guard more positions and he can roam more, obviously he is more a shot-blocker, too. Man defense and playing the lanes I would give to Jordan though. It's becoming closer and closer, we'll see how long LeBron can continue to evolve before he declines.

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55. "Only Kareem better. Fuck Jordan."
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in terms of achievements...we all know he has to get 3 more..and its very possible

in terms of sheer basketball ability? ONLY KAREEM BETTER.


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60. "I listened to bitter Isiah talking about how Lebron does it all"
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in comparision to Jordan. Really dont get this one....Jordan's rebound and assist totals werent far from Lebron's, and he defended at an elite level too. They both did/ do it all. Lebron's got a little edge there, Jordan had the scoring edge.

Jordan having the better, more reliable J has always been the deal breaker to me.

  

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66. "Jordan also had a better postgame"
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68. "Yup, no question"
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70. "Scoring and shooting edge, JamBone still on that LeBrick somewhere."
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One thing I will give LeBron though is even though he has been pretty bad from the perimeter, he made a big jumper to start the second half of Game 7 and he got Smith going, too. They were some thing like 2-20 or 2-22 outside the paint in the first half. He immediately set the tone to turn that around.

That said, Jordan hitting like eight jumpers isn't a row wouldn't have been unusual. Much better shooter. I also think he could have shot the ball well from distance, it just wasn't a staple of his game. Same thing with handling the ball. Jordan was excellent at it, he just didn't play in this dribble to death era. There were lots of isos, sure, but Jordan was a much more economical ball-handler than guys today (Bron, Kyrie, Russy, et al).

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56. "i don't really rank cross-era / all-time too much"
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or compare guys whose entire careers i watched to guys who i didn't watch at all

(imo it's kind of dumb tbh)

but of the guys that i've personally watched, he's in the top 3 with jordan and magic.

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61. "Best player of the 21st Century"
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And no real threat of him being eclipsed by anyone at this point.

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65. "dude has that goliath thing, almost like shaq and wilt had it"
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which is fucking NUTS for a guy who is not a 7 footer. physical force like few others. oscar, karl malone, maybe sir charles ... the list is pretty fucking short.

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62. "After Jordan, on Magic and Bird level"
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And I'm not splitting hairs and ranking them because theyre basically on the same level.

Cant rank guys from before my time either. Also hard to compare players like Lebron to Centers from eras of many years ago.

  

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69. "To me bigs from yesteryear are not a reach to compare"
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In the sense that it's tough to compare across positions, sure, but thanks to Kareem you have a sort of man-who-beat-the-man thing from Russell up to Shaq. It's also not hard to tell that Jabbar and Wilt are both gods who walked among men on the hardwood.

I agree with you as far as LeBron being at the Magic/Bird stage though, which is incredible.

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71. "Basically it's....."
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Jordan
Kareem
Bron
Magic
Duncan


And it could be argued that James may be no. 2 after taking the Cavs to the Promised Land....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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72. "so disrespectful."
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73. "RE: so disrespectful."
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Nah....That's how epic dude was in these playoffs...Before this season James was in my top 10, but he wasn't in my top 5....Now he's top 3.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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74. "Bron is about Larry Bird level, below Kobe and Shaq"
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75. "RE: Bron is about Larry Bird level, below Kobe and Shaq"
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I can't believe u r going to make a Chicago Bulls fan take up for a fucking Cav, but here it goes.....

James didn't have a Hall of Fame frontline in this series like Bird....No McHale, no Parrish...And Bird never lead players ON BOTH TEAMS in every statistical category like James...Also, while Bird was an average team defender, he's not seeing James on that side of the ball...Bird is def. one of the greats, but James is on an entirely different level...

Also, Kobe is not in the discussion (let me guess...U ring counting, right?) ...GREAT player....But he rarely made others around him better...If anything, u should have more of a beef with Magic being bumped down than Kobe not being mentioned at all....

And Shaq is one of the most dominant big men of all time but I still pick Kareem, Dream, and Timmy over him.....

Like I said, James gets vaulted to that 3 spot after his latest display....Take it from someone that watched that fucker dismantle MY entire team by himself when Kyrie and Love were injured. I'm through with doubting LeBron James' greatness....

Kobe...lol

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81. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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>I can't believe u r going to make a Chicago Bulls fan take up
>for a fucking Cav, but here it goes.....
>
>James didn't have a Hall of Fame frontline in this series like
>Bird....No McHale, no Parrish...And Bird never lead players ON
>BOTH TEAMS in every statistical category like James...Also,
>while Bird was an average team defender, he's not seeing James
>on that side of the ball...Bird is def. one of the greats, but
>James is on an entirely different level...
>
>Also, Kobe is not in the discussion (let me guess...U ring
>counting, right?) ...GREAT player....But he rarely made others
>around him better...If anything, u should have more of a beef
>with Magic being bumped down than Kobe not being mentioned at
>all....
>
>And Shaq is one of the most dominant big men of all time but I
>still pick Kareem, Dream, and Timmy over him.....
>
>Like I said, James gets vaulted to that 3 spot after his
>latest display....Take it from someone that watched that
>fucker dismantle MY entire team by himself when Kyrie and Love
>were injured. I'm through with doubting LeBron James'
>greatness....
>
>Kobe...lol

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79. "both Bron and Bird are above Kobe and Shaq"
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80. "RE: both Bron and Bird are above Kobe and Shaq"
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This^^^^^^^

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85. "Shaq and Hakeem are hard ones to evaluate"
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At their peaks they might have a case for No. 1 but both guys had some ups and downs in their careers, even before they started to decline physically.

I can't believe how few people are mentioning Chamberlain here. That's some shameful shit. You start the list with number 1.

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90. "RE: Shaq and Hakeem are hard ones to evaluate"
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U think so? All I know Dream took a team with no other all-stars to the championship and was the best player on the floor...Shaq is the truth though....Dude is def. in my top 10....

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99. "I would have both in my top 10 or at least 12 but as far as exact rank ...."
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yes, i think they are hard to evaluate. neither guy had bill russell or kareem's career but on any given day they could beat anyone. do you rank them on their ability or their career? they are both formidable, but that level that's true of everyone.

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96. "Wilt and Bill are definitely the toughest ones to place"
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they're the most subjective given how different their games were, how gaudy their accomplishments are, and how much the NBA has changed since their day. That being said, there wasn't much more they could accomplish (outside of rings for Wilt) and when I see lists where guys with 1 or 2 rings are over them I have to shake my head. Anywho, here's the top 5 I've been thinking of the past couple days.

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Bill
4. Wilt
5. Bron

Probably Magic then Bird sitting right outside. I can't put Wilt over Bill given the rings comparison and I'm keeping Bron behind those guys for now so as not to be reactionary.

  

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107. "We are talking about the best individual player though"
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Wilt>Russell easily. Hard to place either outside the top five. Wilt was a player for any era. There is no mystery to it. He would not have scored 100 points or averaged 50. Those numbers have been adjusted for various eras and remain heads above the rest. He led the league in points, rebounds and assists. Blocks were not kept then. That is just unthinkable. He adjusted his game in capricious and extreme ways, yet both times they led to championships. As a physical specimen, he is with few or no parallels in the entire history of the NBA. You look at his facing Kareem at the end of his career and Kareem plays forever and plays against Hakeem, Ewing and other guys who went up against Shaq. That pretty well takes you through the modern day. If I were starting a team with any player history, it would be Chamberlain without a second thought.

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83. "Excellent. Glad that your return to the boards is full-retard. "
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77. "Have you apologized to Lebron James yet?"
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76. "Career or individual talent?"
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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78. "Probably Top 3. "
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82. "4. MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bron"
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86. "No Wilt? And to me Magic and Bird always go in the same breath"
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There was no tighter rivalry and no more perfect balance of parallels and contrasts. Any list that doesn't have them back to back is suspect to me.

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89. "RE: No Wilt? And to me Magic and Bird always go in the same breath"
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On Bird and Magic? Not really.....

I think Magic's legend has only grown...I think a lot of that has to do with his position (PG) and that game when Magic went HAM playing center....

I've always had him over Bird.....But Bird is in my top 5-6 (I got Timmy over him)......And I think Wilt gets unfairly left out because his GOAT moments were compiled when he was literally the biggest force in basketball. You see those pics of Wilt towering over entire teams....It discounts the fact that dude could move/play like a guard.....Wilt's assists totals are nuts....

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108. "RE: No Wilt? And to me Magic and Bird always go in the same breath"
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>
>On Bird and Magic? Not really.....
>
>I think Magic's legend has only grown...I think a lot of that
>has to do with his position (PG) and that game when Magic went
>HAM playing center....

You look at the primes of their careers, they are neck and neck. "Legend" is crap. "Legend" would have you believe Derek Jeter was better than Frank Robinson and other nonsense. Bird and Magic were two perfect sides of a coin. Personally just off career vs career and head to head, I would have Magic in one spot and Bird right behind him. They are neck and neck.

>I've always had him over Bird.....But Bird is in my top 5-6 (I
>got Timmy over him)......And I think Wilt gets unfairly left
>out because his GOAT moments were compiled when he was
>literally the biggest force in basketball. You see those pics
>of Wilt towering over entire teams....It discounts the fact
>that dude could move/play like a guard.....Wilt's assists
>totals are nuts....

Wilt played better competition at the center position than Shaq did in his prime. He played better centers than there are in the league today. Yes, early in his career it was borderline unfair but guys like Nate Thurmond and later Kareem would change that (along with rule changes). Chamberlain not only dominated the game, he often dominated the way he wanted to. The Celtics as a team, for most of their dynasty, were unbeatable.

Another guy would be Top 10 for sure if not for injury was Bill Walton.

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118. "RE: No Wilt? And to me Magic and Bird always go in the same breath"
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>>
>>On Bird and Magic? Not really.....
>>
>>I think Magic's legend has only grown...I think a lot of
>that
>>has to do with his position (PG) and that game when Magic
>went
>>HAM playing center....
>
>You look at the primes of their careers, they are neck and
>neck. "Legend" is crap. "Legend" would have you believe Derek
>Jeter was better than Frank Robinson and other nonsense. Bird
>and Magic were two perfect sides of a coin. Personally just
>off career vs career and head to head, I would have Magic in
>one spot and Bird right behind him. They are neck and neck.



Magic better....Always been....


>Wilt played better competition at the center position than
>Shaq did in his prime. He played better centers than there are
>in the league today. Yes, early in his career it was
>borderline unfair but guys like Nate Thurmond and later Kareem
>would change that (along with rule changes). Chamberlain not
>only dominated the game, he often dominated the way he wanted
>to. The Celtics as a team, for most of their dynasty, were
>unbeatable.

I really don't consider the NBA much of a modern league until the '70s hit.....For the most part, I saw a lot of "6'8-6'9" centers in the league for much of the '60s when Wilt was absolutely KILLING it...I'm much more impressed with the film of Wilt when he teamed up with Jerry West and became a much more focused player by the early 70s....I mean we are talking about someone who put it on a very Kareem in that 71-72 season.....

But again, I'm telling u why Wilt has steadily gone down on the list of Greatest of all time....It's hard for folks to give it up to a all-time giant who mostly played during an era when he towered over his peers....That's a shame.....Wilt deserves a lot more....


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148. "Wilt won a ring in 1972, faced Jabbar in his athletic prime"
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I get why he isn't being named more but you don't have to be a part of it, Murph!

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98. "I ranked who I was able to see playing."
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I don't doubt that Wilt is probably top 5 ever but just based on what my eyes have seen I left him off.

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84. "Just copped the shoes Bron had on for Game 7. Nate Dogg Tribute"
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They are the same black/gold/transparent Zoom Soldier 10 but since they were Nike ID I went with a Nate Dogg theme, remembering a fallen soldier. The tongue straps say "SMOKE" and "WEED," while the spat straps say "ERY" and "DAY." I was pretty fucking surprised Nike let it go through. There were a number of questionable ones you could do but I couldn't pass that one up.

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91. "RE: Just copped the shoes Bron had on for Game 7. Nate Dogg Tribute"
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Those sound dope.

Link up a pic

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101. "this link should work"
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http://store.nike.com/us/en_us/product/zoom-lebron-soldier-ten-id/?piid=42621&pbid=275757679&mid=806164690#?mid=806164690

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95. "yikes. "
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>They are the same black/gold/transparent Zoom Soldier 10 but
>since they were Nike ID I went with a Nate Dogg theme,
>remembering a fallen soldier. The tongue straps say "SMOKE"
>and "WEED," while the spat straps say "ERY" and "DAY." I was
>pretty fucking surprised Nike let it go through. There were a
>number of questionable ones you could do but I couldn't pass
>that one up.

those sound cold as hell. Had no idea the straps were etched with that.

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100. "you can put all sorts of shit on them"
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i have never bought the soldier series before but these seemed pretty smooth, couldn't pass on the historical colorway and the chance to write funny shit on it.

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92. "NO REFURBISHMENT NECESSARY THO"
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97. "RE: Jordan's rings vs Bron's rings"
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I've seen this argument thrown around on here before and now that Bron cemented his Hall of Fame candidacy I deem it necessary to talk about it.

Let's get some quick facts about the way about chips:
Russell has 11 chips
John Havlichek has 8 chips
Jorn has 6 chips
Bron has 3 chips with six consecutive NBA finals appearances so FOH holding 6 against Bron.

On paper Jordan supporters cite 6-0 and shrug but it's not that simple upon further examination.

Jordan beat these six teams:
1991 Lakers (58-24)
1992 Trail Blazers (57-25)
1993 Suns (62-20)
1996 SuperSonics (64-18)
1997 Jazz (64-18)
1998 Jazz (62-20)

These teams won 74.6% of their games whereas the teams Bron faced won 75.5% of their games. None of the teams Jordan beat won a title with the same in-tact core that lost to the Bulls. Jordan never faced any team as good as the Golden State Warriors in the NBA finals. Matter of fact, he ducked those Rockets teams.

Bron had it way tougher as the Thunder, Spurs, Mavs, and Warriors won chips. Another thing that reinforces my position is Bron's finals opponents were on a 62-win pace in an 82 game season.

No NBA player in history with five finals appearances and at least one all-star selection has faced tougher competition in the NBA finals.. NOBODY. Bron set an NBA finals record in 2015 by leading in points, rebounds, and assists. He returned in 2016 and broke his old record by leading the NBA finals in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. Bottom line is objectively speaking Bron is better as that is something not even Cheese Eyes could do.

Bron made the finals in 07 less than five years in the league. It took Jordan much longer to do it.

  

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102. "Eh, I dunno"
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Dallas and Phoenix were sort of similar (Dallas never won a title outside of beating Bron BTW). Jordan beat Phoenix, Bron lost to dallas.

Portland and OKC are also quite similar (Portland actually more successful) and again OKC never won a title at all (not sure why you said that). Both guys won those matchups.


The Spurs made the finals two years in a row in that incarnation. So did Utah. Bron split, Jordan swept. Same thing with the Dubs but I admit they were better than Seattle.

The Lakers won plenty outside of 91, obviously, you still had Magic, Worthy, Scott, Green and other core guys from the Showtime era. You could use that in place of the Spurs if you want. Jordan also had to get past the Pistons in his own conference. Right today LeBron hasn't even had an opponent as good as the Knicks or Heat of that era, let alone the Pistons.

I will give you that the Warriors are better than the Sonics were, sure.

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103. "fair - but you're understating the Spurs "
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Utah was a great team - but the Spurs are a dynasty. The Spurs team that Bron's Heat defeated (and subsequently lost to in the following year) were an all-time great team at the peak of their second reign.

Bron's titles all came the hard way. OKC. Spurs. GSW. All at the respective peak of their powers.

No easy touches.

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105. "The Suns, Sonics and Jazz were all at their peaks, too"
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Blazers arguably so. Only the Lakers were clearly not at their peak.

Talking about the Spurs as winning a bunch of titles is iffy, I look at the two years they played the Heat and the two years Utah played the Bulls. Pretty similar. Those Utah teams were good and some fools even picked them to win.

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155. "I don't know why this bothered me so much, but it's just off"
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>Bron's titles all came the hard way. OKC. Spurs. GSW. All at
>the respective peak of their powers.

If anything, the past 4 years has shown the peak powers of those OKC three. Wasn't Harden still a 6 man who logged major minutes? they were just stretching their legs that first finals year. Put those three back on OKC NOW and I don't see them losing to anyone at this point.

  

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104. "blah blah blah. six and oh, nigga. weep."
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106. "Dude cysing that 1.1% in winning percentage lol"
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A real raw baller won't fold or forfeit (c) Black Thought

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134. "Holla at 11 guy."
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After you're done hollaing at 11 take a look at 8 on your way out the door and CRY CHEESE FILLED TEARS.

Jordan doesn't have 11 rings so fuck six.
Jordan doesn't have 8 rings so fuck six.

Bron's degree of difficulty and the fact that he won a title in Cleveland down 3-1 to the best regular season in NBA history trump Jordan's six rings. Your guy couldn't make it to the finals inside of his first five years in the league meanwhile Bron the equivalent of the 84 Bulls to the finals.... ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE CRY.

  

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110. "it wasn't "way tougher". Come On Man (c) Rex"
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>On paper Jordan supporters cite 6-0 and shrug but it's not
>that simple upon further examination.
>
>Jordan beat these six teams:
>1991 Lakers (58-24)
>1992 Trail Blazers (57-25)
>1993 Suns (62-20)
>1996 SuperSonics (64-18)
>1997 Jazz (64-18)
>1998 Jazz (62-20)

so you're just gonna dismiss how fucking great that Blazers, Suns, Sonics, and Jazz teams are?!?! on a goddamn 1.1% better regular season win %?!?!?!
prime Barkley with Kevin Johnson and Thunder Dan were an EXCELLENT squad. Barkley knows deep down his team would shit on this Warriors, and im not inclined to disagree with him at this juncture.
prime The Glove and The Reign Man?!! With Detlef Schrempf (sp)... to even pretend those squads weren't absolutely lethal is a disgrace. Jordan rather easily dismantled, and destroyed them.
The Jazz were his easiest foes IMO, and the Jazz went to two straight finals easily, as you stated above, 64 and 62 win seasons back to back, they were LEGENDARY... prime Mailman and Stockton, with great role players, and Jordan nonchalanty takes a bigger shit in Utah than any Mormon has, ever.

>
so basically what you said is bullshit about "Jordan never faced a team better than this", which is just pure assholery, but no one here denies the greatness Bron did, leading every stat category. Bron leading every stat category will never get done again, and he is the second greatest NBA of all time behind Jordan.

to shit on Jordan to raise up Bron is naive and ludacris. respect both. Jordan, RIGHT TODAY, is better. the great thing is Bron is still only 31 and can rightfully earn the GOAT. its tbd.

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113. "I don't think the Suns would &quot;shit&quot; on the Dubs lol"
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Dubs bench, better. Dubs backcourt, better. Dubs centers, better. Barkley was better than Draygoon and Barkley was on a mission that year. But let's not make those Suns as some sort of historic roster.

But overall I agree, level of competition is not all that disparate. Pretty similar, I'd give Bron a slight edge, but not enough of one to explain 3-4 versus 6-0

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115. "lost in this collective circle jerk"
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Is that the Dubs effing collapsed.

Kerr, Curry, Thomson, Barnes...all deserve to get F R I E D.

Now, huge, huge props to the Cavs for exploiting their weaknesses.


BUT

To act like Cleveland just defeated some super team is just not true.

No one on that roster can get their own shot. The 3 stops falling, Curry has to work on D...end game.

They were lucky to make it past OKC.

  

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116. "LOL yea that 73-team sucked, bro."
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>To act like Cleveland just defeated some super team is just
>not true.
>
>No one on that roster can get their own shot. The 3 stops
>falling, Curry has to work on D...end game.
>
>They were lucky to make it past OKC.
>
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109. "META: At what point do we have too many great players for a Top 5?"
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Tue Jun-21-16 11:48 PM by MothershipConnection

  

          

Cause we're getting to the 70th year of the NBA coming into the next season and there are some players people will never ever move from their spot.

It's like trying to discredit Chuck Berry or the Beatles or Rakim... they were the first to do what they did at that level... but theoretically if some player came into the NBA next year, averaged 40-10-10 and won the next 10 championships, you'd have to say they're the greatest right?

I never watched Wilt or Russell in their prime but I'm pretty sure Lebron would beat Prime Russell in a game of 1 on 1... but does that make him greater?

Anyway I'm not fighting some 16 year old kid that thinks that Lebron is the GOAT and I'm not fighting an 80 year old that thinks Russell is the GOAT cause they both probably belong in the GOAT tier.

  

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111. "Be mad another day. We talking about Lebron, thanks. "
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>Cause we're getting to the 70th year of the NBA coming into
>the next season and there are some players people will never
>ever move from their spot.
>
>It's like trying to discredit Chuck Berry or the Beatles or
>Rakim... they were the first to do what they did at that
>level... but theoretically if some player came into the NBA
>next year, averaged 40-10-10 and won the next 10
>championships, you'd have to say they're the greatest right?
>
>I never watched Wilt or Russell in their prime but I'm pretty
>sure Lebron would beat Prime Russell in a game of 1 on 1...
>but does that make him greater?
>
>Anyway I'm not fighting some 16 year old kid that thinks that
>Lebron is the GOAT and I'm not fighting an 80 year old that
>thinks Russell is the GOAT cause they both probably belong in
>the GOAT tier.


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112. "There are 0 players I'm starting a team with over Lebron James, ever. "
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Ever.

I don't know if that makes him the greatest, but it does
make him the best centerpiece of all time.

He can legitimately be a top 3 player in ANY era. ANY set of
rules. Pre or post 3 point line. FIBA ball. He's top 3.

You can win 60 games with Lebron starting at point guard.

You an win 60 games with Lebron scoring 30ppg.

You can win 60 games with him as a starting power forward.

He can be a defensive stopper.


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114. "both sides make it nearly impossible to just enjoy Lebron"
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I see the board is going full f*cktard in over-reacting to this.

Nerds who probably haven't thought about anything else since Sunday other than "where does Lebron rank now" and "I wonder what Kyrie had for breakfast" straight flooding the board with stupid, imaginary sh!t.

Lebron is an all-time great player who just put on amazing f*cking performance and won a title for Cleveland (!).

There's plenty for Bron heads to party on...but once you start going full ESPN "what does this mean for his legacy" over-emotional f*ckery and dissecting every little stat and comparison the sh!t becomes unbearable.

Context suddenly means nothing.

Then when some engage and try to temper the collective Brongasm ya'll are having, its just "hate" or "weep"

LULZ

And some of ya'll or so caught up in the emotion of it all, you have missed certain dudes slithering onto the pro-Bron agenda suddently...when it wasn't that long ago Melo was an equal to this dude to some.

Cmon.

All time great player. On Mount Rushmore? SUre, but you just have to add another face rather than take one off.

I mean, half these kids probably didn't even see Magic play one game. Let alone Wilt. Grown a$$ men in here trying to rank other grown a$$ men based on 40-50 year old stats and sh!t.

Its corny.

Not to mention the way some of ya'll try to build up the Spurs into some super dynasty (and now the Dubs...lulz) to exaggerate sh!t is simply unnecessary.

Lebron deserves better fans. Straight up. Every good thing he does, ya'll try to compare it to the greats, specifically MJ, and suddenly its like talking to a Bieber fan.

And then no one can f*cking enjoy it.

In other words, take a breath and enjoy the f*cking awesome moment. Keep a level head, maintain some level of maturity and context.

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117. "Have you apologized to Lebron James yet?"
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122. "Depends"
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Definitely the best player to ever go .500 in the Finals while playing with 2 other USMNT members

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123. "Have you apologized to Lebron James yet?"
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Time to be a responsible adult.

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124. "Why would I do that? "
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Ill never stop hating until he makes it impossible and he aint there. He could win the next 10 titles in a row, and I could find something.

Do you even know why I hate? Bc in all honesty its an immutable factor.

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125. "It's just you and Skip Bayless against the world bruh"
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neat couple.


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127. "I thought skip was your boy tho lol"
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126. "An immutabe factor = you being bitter, stinky and mad"
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You're a fucking disgrace

  

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128. "If a liar like you admired me, THEN id be worried"
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135. "You're a slob. An embarrassing slob. Gross. "
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136. "Word."
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130. "This post I made a year ago is still valid...: #Broncurve #RingsMatter"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=103936

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133. "so is the first reply though"
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131. "Lebron stans vs Lerbon haters... Let's make a poll!"
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132. "so glad i don't care about all time rankings"
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so, so glad lol.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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139. "LeBron's an interesting case though"
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Based on individual talent, he's an all time great and probably deserves to be on the basketball Mouth Rushmore. I say probably because I never saw players before the 90's, so I can't say with conviction if LeBron is better or worse than Wilt/Kareem/other way before my time. However, he doesn't have the hardware YET to match up with the all time greats that are always brought up.

Since his career is not set in stone yet, its hard to crucify him for not matching or passing other all times great at this point in time.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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140. "all of this...but it will never be an argument i'll have."
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maybe with players i've witnessed play as a late teen into adulthood but dudes i've never seen? nah.

Besides there are so many variables involved its an exercise in futility imo...especially considering someone who has around 3-4 years playing at a really high level

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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144. "Bigger "help"?: 34 year-old Shaq or 24 year-old Kyrie?"
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145. "answer: neither; prime Shaq who carried Kobe to 3 titles"
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147. "The difference between Lebron and Jordan..."
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https://www.facebook.com/basketballnetwork.net/videos/548391138658533/

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149. "has Bron cracked y'all top 10 yet or nah?"
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150. "he was top 10 after his first title at 28. "
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151. "You upped this for 3 people who voted for that or...?"
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Like, it's almost the least voted option in your own poll.

This is weird.

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152. "you're a weirdo bro"
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like 95% of people voted top 5
the majority voted top 2

who's supposed to take an L here?

  

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156. "not even in my top 20"
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completely over rated.....nah, j/k. top 3-4, maybe just behind Jordan

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153. "If he stayed in Miami"
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Topic of conversation today would be...?

I will never understand this pass he is given

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154. "If Kobe switched teams twice in his prime he'd have ten rings"
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157. "or probably just three and all as a second banana"
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you tryna tell me if he went to the clippers he'd have won multiple rings and then switched again to win more? he was fortunate the lakers recovered from a disaster of a deal, and equally fortunate that they didn't listen to him when he cried about trading bynum (among other things).

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159. "he was almost a Piston in 07 and they won 59 games w/o him. EDIT"
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that was only the 3rd of chaunceys 6 straight all star seasons, rip and tayshaun were still in their 20s, and sheeds contract was up in 2009. 20yo Amir Johnson, and Stuckey for Kobe to make or break

that team could have made 5 straight finals from 2008-2012 and would have won 2 at minimum, more if they added a marquee big man post-sheed.

apparently it was close.

EDIT: they were trading rip and tayshaun to la. I still think there were 2 titles there with chauncey, kobe, mcdyess, sheed tho.

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161. "yeah, that's a real juggernaut."
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>I still think there were 2 titles there with chauncey, kobe, mcdyess, sheed tho.

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162. "they would have needed a plan for post-Sheed/Dyess"
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but i dont think there would have been any lack of dudes wanting to play with Chauncey and Kobe.

plus with Arnie Kander around, maybe neither of those guys have their achilles blow up.

but that core would have been better than the celtics' core imo

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163. "sheed and dice were pretty much washed post-08"
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with rip and tayshaun (the youngest members of their core) going out in that scenario, that theoretical team would've needed some serious luck with young guys, like popovich-buford type hits on late 1sts and 2nds, to put together a real run.

i think the big 3 celts would've been a better team. dwight's magic and bron's cavs. later, thibs's bulls and bron's heat. that kobe pistons team would be in the mix, sure, but not even favored in a series against any of those teams imo.

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164. "'07 Pistons lost to a one man Cavs team that got swept by the Spurs"
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Pistons were DONE once Big Ben left town.

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165. "i guess it depends where this hypothetical begins and end"
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sounds like mental masturbation to me but i agree the pistons would have been nasty with him

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167. "^^^^ I detect no lies in this statement"
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Imagine if Kobe took a 10 mill per year deal to sign with the Spurs in his prime. They'd call it the Kobe era. Timmay is humble and Kobe is as well when it comes to accepting less shots as long as the player that takes those shots makes them.

BUT...

Bron took everyone's criticisms to heart and said since it's about rings then I'm going to give myself the best chance to win them and that's what he did.

  

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168. "And THEN Lebron came BACK and won. G shit. "
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>Imagine if Kobe took a 10 mill per year deal to sign with the
>Spurs in his prime. They'd call it the Kobe era. Timmay is
>humble and Kobe is as well when it comes to accepting less
>shots as long as the player that takes those shots makes
>them.
>
>BUT...
>
>Bron took everyone's criticisms to heart and said since it's
>about rings then I'm going to give myself the best chance to
>win them and that's what he did.


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158. "He is Kang Shannon Sharpe"
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Love or loath he is the GOAT period ain't been no one else like him and 14 years deep and still looking madder and more driven. he is a standard and on his own island.

look at the teams he beat to WIn chips especially the last 2? also almost a whole decade straight in the finals who else is seeing that?

Bron is like Tom Brady ain't nobody else riding that elevator.

my top ten is

Bron

Magic

Shaq

Kareem

Jordan

Duncan

Bird

Wilt

Russell

the Big O

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

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160. "jordan, kareem, wilt are the only people ranked ahead of him..."
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as the best players ever. he's still gaining ground on them though

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166. "Somewhere behind his daddy Kawhi & Dad Killer"
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169. "taking a team that had the number 1 pick in July"
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to the Finals, as a number 1 seed in June is crazy.

Yeah I know they added Kevin Love, another year under the belt for Kyrie.
Added Jr and Shump.


But that's a crazy feat.

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170. "They added JR/Shump/Love/Frye/RJ/Mozgov...that's 6 rotation players"
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>to the Finals, as a number 1 seed in June is crazy.
>
>Yeah I know they added Kevin Love, another year under the belt
>for Kyrie.
>Added Jr and Shump.
>

Add Kawhi to the Wolves then swap Wiggins for Jokic & LaVine for 5 rotation players including a starter then lets see if they can beat the Duds w/ an injured Curry, Matt Barnes starting in place of KD & Draymond missing one game.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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171. "There's still time to acknowledge erroneous narratives. "
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You can do it. We're here for you.

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172. "Who are you talking to?"
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173. "Himself."
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174. "You still didn't apologize to Lebron for last year. "
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Did you?

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176. "he's like that crazy dude Exidor from Mork & Mindy"
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when he wrote his book "Confessions of a Schizophrenic: by Exidor as Told to Exidor"


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175. "good thing you officially retired this agenda last year"
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and had nothing left to prove.


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177. "That's actually correct. There is nothing left to prove."
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He's #2 and/or #1(a) and there's not even a close third.

I'm just here to see how cats are doing with that "#BronCurve" narrative.

There's still time.

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179. "....but seriously, WHO are you talking to?"
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180. "sounds like you're still trying to prove something."
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>He's #2 and/or #1(a) and there's not even a close third.

that you've seen, perhaps. not all-time.


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178. "somewhere between Jordan and Lavar Ball"
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181. "What other player has played his best basketball in year 15?"
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Asking for a friend.

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hip bopper
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182. "RE: What other player has played his best basketball in year 15?"
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Well if Mike didn’t retire after winning his 6th title you could say him.

Russell in year 13 went out a champion.

Wilt in year 15 went out playing for a championship and led the league in rebounding.

Trust me LBJ is doing something very special right now, and I doubt that we will witness something like this again for quite some time.

As far as his place in history I can’t put him (or any player) above Russell or Wilt. I have Kareem behind them, but I think LBJ can overtake him if he can play at this level at least another 5 years.

Russell will always be the GOAT on a championship level. No player (including MJ) can say that they were a better champion than Russell.

Wilt will always be the best individual talent the game has ever seen. Not only did he win a couple of chips, but he owns more individual records than any other player. He is also 2nd and 3rd in a lot of statistical categories as well.

  

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bentagain
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184. "How old are you?"
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I've always stuck to players that I actually saw play

I can concede the players you named are all-time greats

Wilt, Cap, Russell

...but...

the question was...playing their best basketball in season 15

Did you watch those players career in order to speak to the comparison?

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hip bopper
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186. "Born in ‘70, but that matters none."
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>I've always stuck to players that I actually saw play
>
>I can concede the players you named are all-time greats
>
>Wilt, Cap, Russell
>
>...but...
>
>the question was...playing their best basketball in season 15
>
>Did you watch those players career in order to speak to the
>comparison?

If you are going to say that any player that we see in sports is the best of all time, then you need to do your research.

As I stated Russell went out a champion in his 13th and final NBA season. If he plays until year 15 then I truly believe that he is still playing at an elite level winning championships. Wilt was playing in the Finals years 15.

The most interesting thing about Wilt and Russell is they walked away when they wanted to not having to chase anything or anyone. Bron is still playing trying to surpass MJ and is not able to walk away just yet.

So yes there are players still playing their best basketball either approaching their 15th season or in it. Also we are only a quarter of the way into the season, so let’s see how this will play out. Secondly no one cares what Bron does during the regular season anymore. They only are looking at what he does in the playoffs/finals.

  

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bentagain
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188. "...but that wasn't the question..."
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"If you are going to say that any player that we see in sports is the best of all time, then you need to do your research."

I think you would agree, there is a difference in research and actually being present for the events...yes?

"As I stated Russell went out a champion in his 13th and final NBA season. If he plays until year 15 then I truly believe that he is still playing at an elite level winning championships. Wilt was playing in the Finals years 15."

Are you saying those were Wilt's and Russell's best years? Because that is the question. Bron is in his 15th season. Has rings...but given his current production, this is shaping up to be his best season. That's the question. Was Russell's 13th chip his best season? Was Wilt's 15th year finals his best season? I think most people would agree...no, they weren't their best seasons. That's the question.

"The most interesting thing about Wilt and Russell is they walked away when they wanted to not having to chase anything or anyone. Bron is still playing trying to surpass MJ and is not able to walk away just yet."

I disagree, but that's a separate discussion. I don't think Bron is chasing anything at this point. I think he just wants to keep improving season to season and his legacy will write itself based on that...not a head to head comparison to MJ, IMO.

"So yes there are players still playing their best basketball either approaching their 15th season or in it. Also we are only a quarter of the way into the season, so let’s see how this will play out. Secondly no one cares what Bron does during the regular season anymore. They only are looking at what he does in the playoffs/finals."

Which is why I asked if you saw those players actually play. If you had some insight into why their 15th season was the best of their career, I'd love to hear it. Stating they went to the finals, or won a chip doesn't really prove that it was their best season as a bball player. I mean, how many vets do we see ring chase, and nobody would say that that was their best season...right?

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hip bopper
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190. "Okay let’s just leave it at this..."
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It is only a quarter of the way through the season. Let have this same discussion in April. Because as of now while he is playing phenomenal basketball, I am not ready to say that he is playing the best ball of his career.

  

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183. "None. His excellence is like nothing we've seen. "
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198. "Uh Jorn was still at his peak in 98 when he retired"
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Wilt was still the best player on the planet when he retired, despite the presence of Kareem, who was also still a huge force in year 15.

We didn't see Magic and Larry make it that far. I wouldn't say this unprecedented but it's awesome to see anyway.

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hip bopper
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201. "RE: Uh Jorn was still at his peak in 98 when he retired"
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>Wilt was still the best player on the planet when he retired,
>despite the presence of Kareem, who was also still a huge
>force in year 15.
>
>We didn't see Magic and Larry make it that far. I wouldn't say
>this unprecedented but it's awesome to see anyway.


I just tried to make that same argument. MJ still would’ve played as the same peak that he was playing at if he didn’t retire. Same thing with Wilt... I don’t know why people in sports continue to disrespect the man. NO ONE could touch him then or now as an individual talent.

Interesting story told by Larry Brown.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PN0Q3KcKA_E

  

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202. "We don't judge people on "what ifs" or "could've's" though."
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MJ still would’ve
>played as the same peak that he was playing at if he didn’t
>retire. Same thing with Wilt...



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hip bopper
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209. "So you’re saying that there would be some drop off on MJ?"
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Given the fact how he was playing when he retired after winning his 6th championship.

  

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206. "yeah, saying "year 15" is a bit disingenuous."
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if you go by age, jordan in his age 34 season was the scoring champ, league mvp, still the consensus best player, and won a title.

so not *exactly* unprecedented, unless you're juking the stats.

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213. "lol year 15 is year 15. You can finagle nuance all you want"
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and it's not simply about age - it's also bout mileage on the body via minutes played and continuous deep playoff/finals runs.

Jordan taking 2+ years off from the game may have actually helped him to recover and rejuvenate for his final, epic chapter of titles 4, 5 & 6.

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214. "not finagling. merely stating facts, just like you are. 35 is 35."
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jordan, in the season when he turned THIRTY FIVE, won a scoring title, mvp and championship.

#facts

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218. "exactly. Those 2+ years served him well in his final burst"
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and Jordan's final burst was legendary. To come back after taking 2+ years off and then 3-peat again is why he's the consensus #1 (and still my #1 GOAT).

But at 33 (in less than a month) and with similar basketball mileage absorbed on the body as to when Jordan was 35 - Bron is having a mind-blowing year and playing his best basketball ever - so he's definitely in that rarified air (pun intended) of seemingly superhuman longevity of ridiculously expansive peak performance. Many never thought they'd see it again...but they're seeing it right now.

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220. "1+ years. "
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210. "Kareem was the best player in the NBA a few seasons before Wilt retired"
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>Wilt was still the best player on the planet when he retired,
>despite the presence of Kareem, who was also still a huge
>force in year 15.


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216. "Not really"
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217. "cmon."
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222. "You c’mon"
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223. "cmon wit da cmon"
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233. "No you cmon wit da cmon"
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185. "Remember when..."
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Everybody was screaming for Bron to get on the block and post up

Defenders played off of him and let him take 3s

Deferred too much in the big moments

...wasn't that fun...

Easily the most complete basketball player I've ever seen

MJ still the goat though

I've got Bron #2.

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189. "Yeah he's Def improved his weaknesses"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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191. "Not mad at this. "
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>Easily the most complete basketball player I've ever seen
>
>MJ still the goat though
>
>I've got Bron #2.

I say he's the #1 best teammate of all time: there's no
one I pick ahead of him when starting a team, but Jordan
is still the best individual.


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187. "Lebron may not be accepted as #1 until the majority of the media is"
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stacked with "Millennials," or folks who were born 1990 and later.

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192. "are you implying that is a good thing"
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as opposed to an "omission bias" based on recency?

  

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195. "It's not necessarily either, but possibly good. This is if Lebron contin..."
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to dominate, and ends up having legit comparable accolades and final statistics equal to or better than Jordan.

I feel like even if Lebron somehow ended up with six NBA Finals MVPs, and 6-7 rings, there are still folks who would argue that MJ was better for whatever reasons. But the folks who grew up on Lebron and not Jordan would surely be giving Lebron more credit than the older heads who grew up on MJ.

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193. "So basically people the didn't see Jordan play?"
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>stacked with "Millennials," or folks who were born 1990 and
>later.

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194. "Basically, yeah. "
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196. "a lot of "mellinials" think kobe is better than bron"
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usually that's based on them being laker fans and/or bron haters

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205. "yeah there arent many neutral parties of that opinion"
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199. "Unless he wins more rings, he'll never be accepted as #1"
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200. "exactly"
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no one cares who the most athletic player to win 3 rings is

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Vex_id
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203. "Even he does win more rings - it won't matter to his detractors "
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Bron could win two more and people would still exercise a simple ring-count test to determine his place. So he'll likely stay at the #2 spot regardless of whether he wins 1 more ring, 2 more - or no more.

But all-time greatness isn't just a ring-count exercise - otherwise you would never have Wilt as highly ranked as you have him, right?

So, the GOAT contest isn't just about accomplishments and titles - it's about who is the greatest basketball player of all time - and there are a myriad of metrics to measure that. If it was simply about championship accomplishments - then Bill Russell would be the GOAT - but he's not.

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204. "It still matters though b/w 60s an exceptional era in that respect"
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He will have to equal or surpass Jordan to shut *all* his detractors up but two more would go a long way. Right now I think he is just behind Jordan as the greatest non-center ever, so top five-ish. Not much further to climb and it will be tough to close the gap that's there, but he could do it.

Wilt is an exceptional case in an exceptional era. Pretty impossible to go by ring count in an era where one team wins 11 times in 13 years and eight in a row. So guys like Wilt, Oscar, Elgin and Jerry are less vulnerable to the ring-count thing, plus Wilt (and to an extent Oscar's) statistical dominance was on another level, even compared with LeBron.

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207. "good point."
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the analogy would be more appropriate if there was just this 1 dominant team that was winning everything in sight, and lebron (and every other great of the era) just didn't have the dogs to compete.

basically, if the steph/KD warriors had existed for the last decade and a half.

but that hasn't been the case. 5 or 6 different teams have stopped lebron from padding his ring totals. so it's not a wilt/west/oscar type deal.



>He will have to equal or surpass Jordan to shut *all* his
>detractors up but two more would go a long way. Right now I
>think he is just behind Jordan as the greatest non-center
>ever, so top five-ish. Not much further to climb and it will
>be tough to close the gap that's there, but he could do it.
>
>Wilt is an exceptional case in an exceptional era. Pretty
>impossible to go by ring count in an era where one team wins
>11 times in 13 years and eight in a row. So guys like Wilt,
>Oscar, Elgin and Jerry are less vulnerable to the ring-count
>thing, plus Wilt (and to an extent Oscar's) statistical
>dominance was on another level, even compared with LeBron.

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212. "Then it should also matter that Bron's played great Finals comp."
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If we're giving Wilt a pass because he played against all-time great teams then Bron should get the same courtesy - particularly because Bron has been the underdog in 5 of the Finals he's played in. Losing to an all-time great San Antonio team (twice) and an all-time great Warriors team should get the same asterisk treatment that you're affording Wilt.

But I always hear "if Bron was that great he would've beaten those teams" - yet where is that analysis to Wilt? It's off-target because basketball is a team game - and never has a stand-alone superstar (without help from other hall of famers) led a team to multiple titles.


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219. "Never heard of someone trying to give a loss an asterisk before."
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221. "those all time great spurs have 1 title in the last 10 years"
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and the heat also played 2 other teams that havent been back to the finals since (going 1-1)

not exactly a decade of being turned away by Russell, Cousy, and Havlicek

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224. "AGAIN...Bron's legacy is going to be stats"
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he's going to cook the record books before he retires

#1 in pts all-time
top 10 in assists
top 20 in rebounds

I will be here to remind you

...yes, rings matter...

but Bron's GOAT claim will be his stats other than rings

...of which he has a few, and will probably be adding more...

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227. "Kareem got dem 'bers AND the rings"
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#1 in pts all-time
top 3 in rebounds
top 3 in blocks

that's on top of 6 rings and 6 MVPs (most all-time)


so, Bron will need more than stats to make a GOAT claim.


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228. "Ok - so you think Kareem is a better basketball player than Bron"
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Good to know.

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231. "I think if u gonna make a Bron GOAT claim based on career #s like bentag..."
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is trying to set up, then you need to deal with Kareem.

I also think you seem kinda mad about it.


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229. "...and he's walking down those spots..."
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what part are you not understanding?

he is projected to get the #1 all-time points scored spot

...on pace to catch Wilt at #5 THIS YEAR!

Bron is going to be the Babe Ruth, Brett Favre of the NBA when he retires

Q: What NBA player holds the record for...
A: LeBron James

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232. "and Kareem is standing in those spots right today"
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what part of that are you not getting?

you are trying to set up Bron's GOAT claim based on his stats other than rings

except Kareem has the stats AND the rings

so unless you currently consider Kareem the GOAT, your argument is a non-starter


>he is projected to get the #1 all-time points scored spot
>
>...on pace to catch Wilt at #5 THIS YEAR!
>
>Bron is going to be the Babe Ruth, Brett Favre of the NBA when
>he retires
>
>Q: What NBA player holds the record for...
>A: LeBron James

Kareem has been that guy in the NBA for the last 3 decades

mad?


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211. "you use a simple ring test to determine where other all-time greats rank"
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so why should it be different for lebron?


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208. "It depends who you ask! He can literally win seven rings, but"
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a "hater" may still say "he had to join with two other superstars to get his first two!" or even, "it took him 12 tries to get seven! Jordan never lost in the finals!"

Like, it's still gonna be arguments against him regardless of what he does from here. He would legit have to win 4-5 in a row (PLUS Finals MVP) from here on out for not a single person to have a case against him.

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225. "he wins 7 and there's no conversation"
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215. "Its the same thing for Tiger"
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if he doesn't get those 4 more majors to tie Jack a lot of people will still say Jack is better. I believe prime Tiger is the GOAT golfer we have ever seen or ever will but the haters will not allow him to move over Jack.

Lebron and MJ isn't as clear cut to me. MJ was amazing and flawless in his finals. Lebron is amazing, had one bad finals appearance and some he couldn't get over the superior team. I can see arguments either way with them tho.

  

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226. "Lebron Is Still Getting Better | FiveThirtyEight"
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lebron-is-still-getting-better/

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230. "only in sports is this a good thing..."
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...for a person who has been on the job as long as he has. Sports media has been running with this statement for a few weeks (him still getting better) and its just funny to me. Did he just now realize at 6'9 playing the guard position he can post up ANY guard in the league? Step back or pull up 3 on any guard? Or he really doesnt have to pass the ball?

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234. "Only player ever to reach 30k 8k 8k | Oldest ever to avg. trip-dub"
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throughout an entire month (at 33).

Yikes.

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235. "Status update: If you don't have LeBron in the top 2"
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Who are you ranking ahead of him?

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236. "MJ & Kareem"
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237. "There are Magic/Kareem arguments that aren't crazy or unfair. "
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No one else, though. Any argument for anyone else is
completely insane.

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243. "Nah he is definitely ahead of Magic now. It's just Wilt, Jorn, Cap"
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245. "I meant Jordan and Kareem. "
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238. "I went from "lol top 5? NOPE" to edging him towards top 3 over the years"
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He's special, getting into how special is just a distraction at this point since he's still doing it

  

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239. "8th straight NBA Finals berth. To do it with *this* team though?!"
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this is GOAT achievement. I don't think any player in history could've dragged this team to the Finals.

No Love. No Kyrie. No problem.

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240. "RE: 8th straight NBA Finals berth. To do it with *this* team though?!"
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No way peak Jordan beats Al Horford, you right

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246. "Take Lebron off, put Jordan on....I don't think so."
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247. "#2 at the *lowest*"
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248. "RE: Where does Lebron James rank all-time?"
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With LBJ’s latest feat, it still doesn’t change the order of things.

Russell, Wilt, Kareem, then anyone else.

I will say that throughout the history the only other player that has done what LeBron has done is Wilt. No other individual in the game of basketball has taken teams like this to the Finals. No matter who is on the roster the result is the same. Wilt was competitive against those Celts teams and even won a chip during the Celts dominance.

  

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249. "GOAT. shit is undeniable, now. "
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i used to be on that 2nd to mj shit.

nah. i seent enough. bron is on some completely other shit.


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250. "only one of a handful of ATG's to score 50 in an NBA Finals game."
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Greatest playoff run of all time continues.

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255. "and he is the only one whose team lost the game, which is insane"
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i hear there are some lovely homes available on the main line, mr james!

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251. "2018 NBA Finals Game 1: the GOAT argument narrative has changed"
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I've never seen so many long-standing Bron critics concede like they did last night -- "best i've ever seen" has come out of a loooooot of mouths.

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253. "Victims of the moment - because this run is amazing"
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Possibly the best individual playoffs performance of all time as far as I know..

He’s definitely A G.O.A.T.

I’ll stick to: its impossible to compare across eras.

LeBron is the greatest of his era, no question. He’s doing some historic stuff right now. And at 33? Amazing, really.

  

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252. "Wilt first, James second, Jordan third"
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256. "I'm verrrrrry close to this being my list as well."
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254. "#2 til further notice"
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257. "revised list after 2018:"
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My top 10 Goat List:
1. Bill Russell 11 Rings
2. Sam Jones 10 Rings
3. Tom Heinsohn 8 Rings
4. K.C. Jones 8 Rings
5. Tom Sanders 8 Rings
6. John Havlicek 8 Rings
7. Jim Loscutoff 7 Rings
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259. "you gonna be ok?"
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260. "Its only been a few days so if this is any indication."
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262. "he actin stone cold stupid. nobody even trippin"
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261. "What was the list before 2018?"
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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264. "Subtract 1 from Green, add 1 to Blue...hit wrong button. Kareem at least"
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At least Kareem belongs in the convo with LeBron, perhaps a couple others, but there are at least 2 others on Lebron's level (MJ, LBJ, KAJ)

LeBron could still go down as GOAT when it's all said and done, but not yet.

  

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265. "not 1...not 2....not 3....not 4"
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not 5?

Only player in the game to earn 3 diff. Finals MVPs awards with 3 different franchises.

GOAT Kang Agenda WALK DOWN. Move over Mike.

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BrooklynWHAT
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266. "GOAT is in play lol"
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and dare i say it's looking favorable for him. i'm very excited to see what the lakers can do going forward.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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Vex_id
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267. "#1? Big sad? "
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Do tell.

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go mack
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268. "RE: #1? Big sad? "
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wonder if Kenny will squeeze him into his top ten now.. lol

  

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Beamer6178
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269. "This was a pretty interesting convo"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl4Q8kshito

The layout of GOAT achievements was interesting, never saw it that way before. Some other salient points are Jordan being 6'6 and three peating twice.

I think the Cleveland win nullified the Dallas choke in terms of LBJ's career, but in this particular conversation, with two HOF teammates, not winning the title and playing in such pedestrian fashion counts. Sometimes the East has been weak so LBJ getting a team to the finals may not always have been as hard as it was in years past, but that's not his fault and nothing I've held against him. HOWEVER, when he had horses and he was in position to win and played well below his capabilities, especially after stunting on the Bulls in the ECF and being in his EIGHTH season, that shit counts.

  

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Orbit_Established
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270. "You sound mad"
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>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl4Q8kshito
>
>The layout of GOAT achievements was interesting, never saw it
>that way before. Some other salient points are Jordan being
>6'6 and three peating twice.
>
>I think the Cleveland win nullified the Dallas choke in terms
>of LBJ's career, but in this particular conversation, with two
>HOF teammates, not winning the title and playing in such
>pedestrian fashion counts.

So you said the Cleveland win nullifies it, then said that
it doesn't nullify it

LMAO

You're a nerd, and sound upset on a Friday


  

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Beamer6178
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271. "yawn, go drink some tea"
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>>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl4Q8kshito
>>
>>The layout of GOAT achievements was interesting, never saw
>it
>>that way before. Some other salient points are Jordan being
>>6'6 and three peating twice.
>>
>>I think the Cleveland win nullified the Dallas choke in
>terms
>>of LBJ's career, but in this particular conversation, with
>two
>>HOF teammates, not winning the title and playing in such
>>pedestrian fashion counts.
>
>So you said the Cleveland win nullifies it, then said that
>it doesn't nullify it
>
>LMAO
>
>You're a nerd, and sound upset on a Friday
>

I don't even place a single player as greatest ever. That's not possible, especially when several players never even played during the same time.

My point was Lebron exorcised HIS Dallas demon by the Cleveland win. But if we're comparing him to someone else, then how he did in that Finals counts. Not sure why that's so hard to figure out. I been saying that for years anyhow.

enjoy ur weekend

  

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bentagain
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272. "Top 3"
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MJ
Bron
Kobe
The best I’ve seen do it, in that order

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