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Vex_id
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"Poll question: Ward v. Kovalev"


          

Deal close to being done. Legitimate intrigue.

Who you got?

Poll result (12 votes)
Krusher (2 votes)Vote
SOG (10 votes)Vote

  

  

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I don't even know at this point, but I need to be wherever it is
Jun 07th 2016
1
I want Ward to win, but Kovalev ain't no joke.
Jun 07th 2016
2
I don't know who takes this, SOG hasn't fought much in the last couple
Jun 07th 2016
3
A lot of power comin for Wards face, not sure this ends well for him
Jun 09th 2016
4
If they make it, I'm going.
Jun 09th 2016
5
I'll def try to get there - prob will be on west coast.
Jun 10th 2016
7
It's tomorrow. Where are you?
Nov 18th 2016
14
would've picked Ward confidently if not for his inactivity
Jun 09th 2016
6
Finally, a FOTY caliber match-up is 2 days away.
Nov 17th 2016
8
until proven otherwise: Ward is the best in the game
Nov 17th 2016
9
I'm going to say Kov, I hate to go against Ward cause he's great
Nov 17th 2016
10
Kovalev had trouble w/ Chilemba who's a poor-man's Ward
Nov 17th 2016
12
I represent the Yay Area (c) E-Feezy
Nov 17th 2016
11
I wouldn't put money on either, but slight edge to SOG
Nov 18th 2016
13
This is going to be one of those technical, lopsided wins for Ward
Nov 18th 2016
15
Weigh-in (video)
Nov 18th 2016
16
I've swayed back and forth with who I think will win tonight...
Nov 19th 2016
17
I think Ward finds a way to win
Nov 19th 2016
18
No idea who wins, I just hope it's not an ugly ass fight...
Nov 19th 2016
19
What's the Bay Area spot to watch the fight?
Nov 19th 2016
20
Ricky's would be fine. Most bar/spots will likely have it
Nov 19th 2016
21
      thanks
Nov 19th 2016
23
      Off top FUCK Ricky's and any Sports Bar that takes reservations
Nov 21st 2016
51
DMV: where you watching?
Nov 19th 2016
22
Anybody gotta link?
Nov 19th 2016
24
any of y'all gotta link?
Nov 19th 2016
25
search ward vs kovalev on fb - there's usually a live feed
Nov 19th 2016
26
Ward got blasted
Nov 19th 2016
27
!!! damn russians...
Nov 19th 2016
28
Ward is a dirty fighter. Fuck that guy
Nov 19th 2016
29
hell of a fight so far. ward got hoart.
Nov 20th 2016
30
I feel Kovalev got that.
Nov 20th 2016
31
Thought Kovalev won.... but Ward did fought back...
Nov 20th 2016
32
Kov won
Nov 20th 2016
33
Rematch!!!!!!!!
Nov 20th 2016
34
Fight was way too close.. But Ward pulled it out
Nov 20th 2016
35
Fuck Trump, Fuck Russia, WARD!
Nov 20th 2016
36
Max thinks Kovalev won. LOL He Mad
Nov 20th 2016
37
Ivan Drago is crying somewhere
Nov 20th 2016
38
I thought Ward won rounds 4,5,6,8,9,10,12 I had the 3rd a toss up.
Nov 20th 2016
39
Lol @ anyone who thought he dominated enough to deserve that W
Nov 20th 2016
40
Exactly. It was a close fight and Ward did his thing in the...
Nov 20th 2016
44
Kovalev won his rounds more convincingly, but 10-9 is 10-9
Nov 20th 2016
45
I had Ward winning
Nov 20th 2016
41
had it 114-113 Kovalev. definitely not a 'robbery'
Nov 20th 2016
42
If you gonna take the belts from the champ via decision
Nov 20th 2016
43
All-around agreed
Nov 20th 2016
46
      It's scored round-by-round so what he did in 1-3 is irrelevant in 4-12
Nov 20th 2016
47
           I mean, it does matter if he won the first three by four points
Nov 21st 2016
48
Kovalev edged Ward
Nov 21st 2016
49
man, Kovalev won that shit. But love is love.
Nov 21st 2016
50
Peace To Andre Ward
Nov 21st 2016
52

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1. "I don't even know at this point, but I need to be wherever it is"
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Whether NYC or Vegas

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2. "I want Ward to win, but Kovalev ain't no joke."
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I'm expecting good things from this Keith Thurman v Shawn Porter fight too.

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3. "I don't know who takes this, SOG hasn't fought much in the last couple"
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Of years but can not be underestimated and Kov has fought and destroyed some good fighters. This is one of the fights everyone wants to see, I can't call it

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4. "A lot of power comin for Wards face, not sure this ends well for him"
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But then there is God, so who knows.

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5. "If they make it, I'm going. "
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7. "I'll def try to get there - prob will be on west coast."
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14. "It's tomorrow. Where are you?"
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6. "would've picked Ward confidently if not for his inactivity"
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now i see it as a 50/50 fight

  

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8. "Finally, a FOTY caliber match-up is 2 days away. "
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9. "until proven otherwise: Ward is the best in the game "
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10. "I'm going to say Kov, I hate to go against Ward cause he's great"
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But something is telling me Kov

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12. "Kovalev had trouble w/ Chilemba who's a poor-man's Ward"
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>But something is telling me Kov

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11. "I represent the Yay Area (c) E-Feezy"
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Really gotta make sure I see the fight. Been so busy it slipped my mind.

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13. "I wouldn't put money on either, but slight edge to SOG"
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BTW, anyone in DC have any idea where they are showing this?

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15. "This is going to be one of those technical, lopsided wins for Ward "
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We're all excited for this to be FOY but Ward is just going to outclass him.

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16. "Weigh-in (video)"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlWbZn4Qm34&t=5s

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17. "I've swayed back and forth with who I think will win tonight..."
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Initially - I was thinking Kovalev just was going to have too much relentless firepower for a late-career Ward who I think has visibly slowed down and is there to be hit more - but the question to me is: Is Ward's defense still sharp enough to frustrate Kovalev and prevent him from landing his big shots with any regularity? If Kovalev lands leather - I think he stops Ward - but that's a big if. Nobody lands leather on Ward consistently.

At his best - Ward is as slippery and elusive as Mayweather is defensively - and is also a supremely accurate counter puncher who can flat-out outbox you for 12 straight rounds.

Listening and seeing both fighters during the pre-fight camps and coverage - I get the sense Ward is silently super motivated - and he looks to be in great shape. Conversely - Kovalev seems to have already felt like he's made it - almost surprised to be where he's at in the sport. He is a natural puncher with inherent power - but I'm not sure how hard he works in between camps at the moment. I do know Ward is supremely trained with one of the great minds of the sport in his corner. Cerebral advantage to Ward.

But then I remember - nothing really makes sense about Kovalev. He came out of nowhere as one of the last relics of the old USSR when they were producing some world-class boxers - tough as steel type of guy. He blitzed through his early career and finally got a shot when Kathy Duva recognized him and put him on an undercard - nobody knew anything about him but then just kept knocking people out - in concussive fashion. The way he dismantled Hopkins was crazy - nobody had ever figured out the Hopkins puzzle like that.

But then I also feel like this could be a Dawson moment for Ward. Everyone thought it was a dangerous fight and that Chad had a chance to do damage - and the complete opposite happened. Ward's style tends to confuse opponents who are used to guys being right there in front of him - but does he have enough of that defensive wizardry left to confound Kovalev, too?

So yea - I can't call it lol.

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18. "I think Ward finds a way to win"
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19. "No idea who wins, I just hope it's not an ugly ass fight..."
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I think a lot will depend on what Ward can get away with inside. If Kovalev uses his jab and can keep Ward from mugging him all night (or if the ref does), then I think he has a good chance cause I don't see Ward knocking him out.

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20. "What's the Bay Area spot to watch the fight?"
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In the Bay for the weekend

So far, I've only come up with Ricky's

any advice on where I should go?

Ward W SD (maga) and a rematch made before both camps leave the arena.

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21. "Ricky's would be fine. Most bar/spots will likely have it"
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Depends on where you're staying.

Pappy's on Telegraph in Berkeley is pretty good, but it's near the campus and it'll probably be swarmed in the aftermath of the Cal/Stanford game.

Crogan's in Oakland is good as well.

People like the Grand Oak's in Oakland.

I've been to Diamond's Sports Bar and Grill in Oakland by the airport a few times. It's nice enough.

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23. "thanks"
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i moved to Hayward a couple months ago so will probably be at Ricky's tonight

  

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51. "Off top FUCK Ricky's and any Sports Bar that takes reservations"
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Thanks for the info though, I did my best and came up empty

I swear, only spots in Cali take reservations for PPV fights

I haven't seen this done anywhere else

I was able to get into the sports bars in LA

but this spot, they weren't having it...at all

when I got into an argument with the bouncer, I figured it was time to leave

standing on line, when I get to the front they stop letting people in and say 'we're at capacity'

fam, I was there at 730PM and could see empty seats from the doorway

I'll never understand how people think this is a good business model

you're turning away money, for somebody who might show up hours later

= you're losing money

and I'll never come back to your spot off the strength of this experience

FUCK Ricky's.

I did try a couple of your recs, but they didn't have the fight on

appreciate it though

I'll just watch the replay with the rest of the leftovers this weekend

had an epic weekend and hit up Harborside while I was on that side of the bay, so just a minor glitch in the matrix

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22. "DMV: where you watching?"
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24. "Anybody gotta link? "
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Hit me in my inbox please

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26. "search ward vs kovalev on fb - there's usually a live feed"
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27. "Ward got blasted"
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29. "Ward is a dirty fighter. Fuck that guy"
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30. "hell of a fight so far. ward got hoart."
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31. "I feel Kovalev got that."
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32. "Thought Kovalev won.... but Ward did fought back..."
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rematch...

  

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33. "Kov won"
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34. "Rematch!!!!!!!! "
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Ward put on a clinic the second half of the fight but I didn't think enough to win. I had it a draw. Good fight wanna see it again.

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35. "Fight was way too close.. But Ward pulled it out"
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36. "Fuck Trump, Fuck Russia, WARD!"
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37. "Max thinks Kovalev won. LOL He Mad"
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38. "Ivan Drago is crying somewhere "
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39. "I thought Ward won rounds 4,5,6,8,9,10,12 I had the 3rd a toss up."
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40. "Lol @ anyone who thought he dominated enough to deserve that W"
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He def came back and fought with dignity but he no where dominated enough in the rest of the fight to deserve the W. Even if u say he won half the rounds he didn't erase the knock down plus the rest of fight. Stop it. Kovalev got robbed just admit it and let's see the rematch. Stop ttryinf to convince people of that stupidity

  

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44. "Exactly. It was a close fight and Ward did his thing in the..."
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second half, but he pissed away the first half of the fight and maybe the second half was 50/ 50. He in no way dominated enough to warrant taking the belts from the clear champ of the division, especially without knocking Kovalev down or at the very least getting him in serious trouble. Or maybe if he managed to totally outclassed him in the second half, but he did none of that.

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45. "Kovalev won his rounds more convincingly, but 10-9 is 10-9"
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41. "I had Ward winning"
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Kovalev won rds
1
2 (10 to 8)
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42. "had it 114-113 Kovalev. definitely not a 'robbery'"
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43. "If you gonna take the belts from the champ via decision"
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You gotta be more convincing to me than that. Major props to Ward for coming back the way he did tho

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46. "All-around agreed"
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Like, what Ward did was genuinely amazing and inspirational. I actually was feeling pumped up for this dude as he basically just thought his way back into this fight and visibly began to frustrate Kovalev.

But Kovalev won. Dude dominated the first three rounds, really, and never looked rattled or hurt in the way Ward did earlier in the fight. A very close fight, one of the better ones of recent memory, but a Kovalev victory.

  

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47. "It's scored round-by-round so what he did in 1-3 is irrelevant in 4-12"
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>But Kovalev won. Dude dominated the first three rounds,
>really, and never looked rattled or hurt in the way Ward did
>earlier in the fight.

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48. "I mean, it does matter if he won the first three by four points"
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By scoring the knockdown. I had Ward up 6-3 for the rest of the rounds, but Kovalev's early lead and own resilience in picking up late rounds after Ward had come back left me with a Kovalev victory.

I think it was really close, so I discount the "robbery" talk. But if I was Kovalev, I'd want a rematch yesterday.

  

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49. "Kovalev edged Ward"
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but it was close. Still, Kov did not get enough respect from the judges for his consistent jab. He did what very few thought he could do: actually stood in the pocket and boxed at-par w/ Ward for the better portion of the fight.

I thought Kovalev looked gassed after the 9th round and he got sloppy late, while Ward still looked sharp and in better condition - which could have made impressions on the judges late. Ward fought back w/ tremendous heart - but I just didn't see him doing enough to overcome the early knockdown and lost rounds.

Wouldn't go so far to call this a robbery - but the judges did get it wrong.

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50. "man, Kovalev won that shit. But love is love. "
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Kovalev won, but Ward definitely turned it on in
the second half.

Guys who have a clear advantage in the second half of fights
ALWAYS have a scoring advantage. Extreme textbook case is
De La Hoya-Trinidad.

We'll get a rematch. Probably favors Ward, because he
sort of solved Kovalev in the second half.


And Ward has started slow (even been knocked down, I believe)
in fights before.

He got that Hopkins-Adatpoid allele tho

  

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52. "Peace To Andre Ward"
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For even going up to 175 and facing one of the most feared punchers in the sport. He showed a lot of heart and determination after getting off the canvas. He definitely fought his way back into the fight but like a lot of you, I think he lost. The scoring was unanimous but all of the judges had it 114-113 so this was no robbery. A rematch is necessary.

I'm still not sure what this fight does for boxing. Many of us thought that once Floyd and Manny retired, fighters would be forced to fight each other and can no longer just hold out for a once in a lifetime payday. Many of us believed we would see matchups like this more often. That hasn't happened. 50/50 fights like Thurman/Porter and now Ward/Kovalev have been exactly that. Highly competitive fights where the outcomes are unclear. Fighters still don't seem to be willing to take risk against guys that are not necessarily pay per view attractions. Truly competitive fights are still few and far between and only happen like 3 or 4 times a year. Is Garcia really going to go through with fighting Thurman? Even with Floyd's 50-0 still lingering out there? Will we really see Spence and Brook? I'm just excited about Lomachenko/Walters and Charlo/Williams. Fights that have actual dates and have been signed off by both fighters. Not getting my hopes up about anything else.

  

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