Tom Thibodeau is aggressively pursuing the Minnesota Timberwolves’ president of basketball operations and coaching job because of his determination to have full control of an organization, league sources told The Vertical.

Thibodeau wants to have final say on player personnel, organizational philosophy and hirings, league sources said, and that’s only available with the Minnesota opening now.

The lure of hiring his own general manager and constructing a contender around Karl-Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins has turned Thibodeau increasingly aggressive in pursuit of the job, league sources said. Minnesota ownership is completing its meetings with Thibodeau and Jeff Van Gundy on Monday and is expected to move quickly in making an offer, league sources said.

Thibodeau’s appetite for organizational power has been unmistakable to Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor in the process, league sources said.

Several teams with openings have interest in Thibodeau as a coach, including Washington and Houston, but those organizations aren’t offering full control, sources said. The Sacramento coaching job is open, but Thibodeau has no interest in the Kings’ organization, sources said.

The search firm Korn Ferry has been influential in the Minnesota process and has recommended this coach-as-president structure to Taylor, league sources said. Among the NBA executives Korn Ferry leans on for advice, Thibodeau has had significant allies and support, sources said.

Korn Ferry was instrumental in the hiring of Stan Van Gundy as president and coach with the Detroit Pistons, and the firm has been a strong advocate of the two finalists in Minnesota: Thibodeau and Jeff Van Gundy.

Taylor is expected to be willing to pay a $7 million-a-year package to an elite candidate, comparable to Stan Van Gundy’s deal with Detroit, league sources said.

Thibodeau spent time this season traveling around the NBA and studying franchise models, San Antonio and Detroit among them. How Thibodeau handles power – and how he interacts with a GM that reports to him as president – is a source of intrigue and curiosity around the league.

After five successful seasons as coach of the Chicago Bulls, Thibodeau was fired in 2015 largely because of his inability to work with management.

Korn Ferry has already started to identify possible general manager candidates to pair with a new president and coach in Minnesota, including San Antonio Spurs assistant GM Scott Layden and Memphis Grizzlies executive VP of player personnel Ed Stefanski, league sources said. Layden (Utah and New York) and Stefanski (Philadelphia) each have GM experience in the NBA.

Milt Newton is the Timberwolves GM now, and it is unclear how – or if – he would continue in any organizational role if Taylor goes through with the hiring of one of his top two candidates.

Jeff Van Gundy is intrigued with the structure that his brother, Stan, employs in Detroit, but that hasn’t been a driving factor in his desire to return to coaching, league sources said. Jeff Van Gundy has been diligent in considering potential coaching situations in which he can have a strong working relationship and shared vision with a potential team’s current GM and owner, league sources said.

Jeff Van Gundy is at the top of the Houston Rockets’ list of potential candidates, league sources said. Jeff Van Gundy resigned as Rockets coach in 2007 after four seasons and still lives in Houston.

The Rockets won’t begin a coaching search until the team’s postseason ends. Houston is trailing Golden State 1-0 in their Western Conference first-round series. Jeff Van Gundy doesn’t discuss jobs with teams who have a coach in place, and J.B. Bickerstaff has been the Rockets’ interim coach since the firing of Kevin McHale in November.

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Lack of offensive creativity? Check.

Asskicker who runs guys into the ground? Check

But when you WHITE, it's ALLLLLRIGHT

From sbnation:

"Flip Saunders joked before he took the coaching job himself that while Thibodeau was a great defensive coach, his offense was far too simple. I don't know that this is a fair criticism of him: in three of his five years with the Bulls, they had an offense ranked 11th or better in the league. Twice they had below average offenses: 2012-13 and 2013-14, when Derrick Rose played a total of 10 games between the two seasons.

It's arguable that they simply did not have the offensive talent those years, and yet they still won 45 and 48 games those seasons. It was before Jimmy Butler emerged as a real offensive force, and without Rose they were relying on guys like Luol Deng and Carlos Boozer to carry the offensive load, something neither of them was equipped to do effectively.

The shape of Thibodeau's offensive teams in Chicago was generally strong offensive rebounding, fairly low turnovers, but not great shooting. His teams were middle of the pack or worse in 3PA, and consistently played at a slow pace, presumably in part because they relied on their defense which was so good that it didn't allow many early open shots for opponents."

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Thibs coached the league MVP and 2-3 other all-stars

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Boozer, an All-Star? My guess is you meant Noah and Deng. Well, when those dudes were healthy outside of Boozer, they played very well for Thibs. Like, 60 wins well.

You're going in pretty hard for a guy with a .433 winning percentage

>You're going in pretty hard for a guy with a .433 winning
>percentage

Mitchell isn't coaching the league MVP and 2/3 other all-stars

Thibs was handed it, and ran it into the ground

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The year before thibs came, the bulls went 41-41 and Derrick made his first all-star game.

No one else on the team was an allstar at the time and NO ONE considered Derrick an MVP candidate. LeBron was MVP the year before.

You know when Derrick became and MVP? After thibs took over and improved the team by 21 wins the next season.

Then Noah became an allstar, then Deng became an allstar, then Jimmy Butler.

All after thibs got the roster. Not before.

Wiggins, KAT, Dieng, LaVine and probably Tyus would improve a lot next season under Thibs

Wiggins = Jimmy Butler but with a much higher ceiling
KAT = Noah type potential on D and MUCH better on O
Dieng = Better version of Taj Gibson
LaVine = Derrick Rose like athletic ability
Tyus = Point guard that can run the system and score

Like this team is twice as talented as the Bulls ever were and he got that team to 62 wins.

C'mon.

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being considered over Milt Newton, which is the real 'cism here.

The both were pretty bad as GMs and Layden was horrible.

Something like "Layden worked for the Knicks" instead of the truth, "Layden's rancid turn as Knicks GM is ground zero for everything that is wrong with the current Knicks"

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lol....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

...Thibs will play them. (c) dula

The Bulls FO in the past rarely did their part to give the Bulls capable back ups.
Hence the heavy minutes.

https://digife.com

Rather have Joerger or Brooks

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So the Rockets don't get any ideas.

Yes, Thibs drove D. Rose into the ground allegedly.
Yes, Thibs sucks at offensive philosophy relative to top tier NBA coaches.
Yes, some players hate playing for Thibs.

But Thibs is the disciplinarian this young team needs to get better and he has the right teeth. Zach Lavine playing 42 minutes a game every game. Their starting five about to age three years in a season under Thibs.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

I dunno, this is a different situation from Chicago so I don't think we can just assume it will be the same for Thibs, positively (the wins) or negatively (the relatively short duration of success and rapid entropy). It seems tough to wrestle control away from Newton, who's had three pretty good seasons. On the other, it sounds like that's what it'll take to get Thibs. People can slam the idea all they want but who out there is clearly a better coach? You want to dump the platitude "talented" as a label and get the "successful" distinction. He will get these guys to defend and take care of the ball.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Whole lot of people up here don't know shit about Thibs. The misguided talking points are hilarious.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Not sure I would give *that* full control.

Only good enough to make a group of young hungry guys relevant within the four year honeymoon window. After three/four years the tune out begins.

At some point guys like Wiggins and KAT will be looking around the league and seeing level-headed/progressive coaches like Kerr, Brad Stevens, etc and they're gonna not want shit to do with Thibs.

Let's say they do tune Thibs out after 3-4 years and Glenn Taylor fires him, what else is new?

https://digife.com

I dunno if they should give it to him tho

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

thibodeau has one of the best winning percentages in nba history (and that's with his best and highest paid player missing ~55% of his games coached and 3 of 5 postseasons), shepherded top 5 defenses for 11 consecutive seasons with 3 different teams (03-07 hou, 07-10 bos, 10-14 chi), is one of the 2 most influential nba coaches of the last 15 years (his ideas and concepts literally transformed the way the game is played; EVERYBODY copied his shit) and spent the last year on the road, watching every team, spending a few days with every coaching staff and soaking up game.

he'd be a great hire for minny, or any other club, imo.

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...what he did with Noah, they'll really have something.
Shoot, they should probably go after Noah.
He was the middle line backer of that defense.
Both Noah and KG teaching Thibs philosophy would work well.

https://digife.com

See that's why I wouldn't want Thibs in control. He'll have Noah playing over Dieng.

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>...what he did with Noah, they'll really have something.
>Shoot, they should probably go after Noah.
>He was the middle line backer of that defense.
>Both Noah and KG teaching Thibs philosophy would work well.

The easiest way to get on Mitchell's bench was to not
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But there's serious concern about his methods...there's more wear and tear on these guys than there's ever been due to AAU and other organized ball (in Rubio's case, playing professionally) so when you have a coach who seemingly ignores physiological facts, that's concerning.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

and that's something a potential employer definitely needs to address in the hiring process.

i don't think he's a finished product yet. coaches can continue to grow and learn and get better, same as players do. i think ppl sometimes lose sight of that.

thibs does has a few blind spots when it comes to rotations + minutes allocation that he admittedly needs to work out. still a hell of a coach tho, one who's had some notable successes under less-than-ideal conditions.

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Coaches and players are both human, therefore growth and learning is natural (shit, i think people lose sight of the fact that athletes are still human, and all of the processes that come along with that). Trust, I sincerely sincerely hope he has learned from some of his tunnel vision in Chicago because I absolutely love him as a coach and his dedication to the game.

The caution here is we've seen how much he butted heads with management in Chicago so does giving him this full control play more into his sense of authority, ie "uh uh, no one can tell me nothing"

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

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On your horse blinder steez, gummying up yet another post ...lol at acting like that's not transparent.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

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Thibs with this group = Dynasty.

And I think thibs CAN and will grow so he'd probably be better than he was in Chicago.

They'll definitely strike fear in a lot of people.

I won't go as far as dynasty but he has some great depth in Minny and it's all young. Add a few vets (as he will) and sky is the limit.

They'll probably need a few shooters (korver/dunny types) but man...there is a lot of good to work with.

I could see WCF within a few seasons at worst.

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Sac has had developing talent for years now and a few decent coaches = fail

Frank and Cheeks didn't get a gang of wins in Det = fail

Clippers stayed with a gang of developing talent, made the playoffs once in 9 years under Gentry and Dunleavy = fail

J. Kidd's team regressed with developing talent AND a huge free agent hire this year = fail

Hornecek's Suns got progressively worse over his tenure there until he was fired in year 3...and he has a roster full of developing talent = fail

So there's that...and let's not forget that the only reason Sam got the job is because Flip died. Maybe management saw him as a stop gap as they weren't prepared for their head coach to pass in October.

Now, I don't disagree with you, Sam was coaching them boys up and they were learning but if you're asking who I think the BETTER coach is between Thibs and Sam and who I think would get them to playoff caliber and success FASTER? Thibs all day.

Sam had prime Bosh, healthy for 5 years and the most he got was 47 wins. Thibs had Rose healthy for all of 2.5 seasons out of 5 and topped Sam's best year 4 times, including a lockout shortened 66 game season where he won 50.

You might have a case that there's a 'smidge' of racism but this is mostly an opportunity to get a better coach.

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You stupid fucking troll...Thibs did the same thing in 2011!

He had ONE CURRENT allstar (Rose) and no MVP's or HOF's. Rose won MVP that year, likely BECAUSE thibs set him up to do so. In 2010, before that season started you REALLY thought Booz, Noah and Deng were HOFers? Really? FOH He helped make them become future Allstars (Deng, Noah), DPOYs (Noah) and MVP's (Rose).

Bosh was already an allstar when Mitchell won COY. He also had the #1 draft pick playing for his team next to Bosh, a lottery picked PG (#8) putting up 14p/8a, and some solid 3 and D vets (Parker, Mo Pete) assisting.

Not to mention t.dot was 33-49 the year before Mitchell showed up and he proceeded to go 33-49 and 27-55 over the next 2 years (that's how they GOT the #1 pick) then he FINALLY got it right in year 3. Thibs had a 21 game jump in his first season (COY mind you) then went 50-16 in the lock out year (the year rose blew his knee in the playoffs) and STILL won 45 and 48 games the two years without him. Finishing with a 50 spot on his way out the door.

No matter how you try to slant this Thibs>>>Mitchell at coaching. Doesn't mean Mitchell shouldn't have gotten a chance to further develop the wolves roster but also doesn't mean he isn't being upgraded.

>With a team without the League MVP and several
>Hall of Famers

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thibodeau 'coached the league mvp' for 181 games out of 394. won a ton of games, and a playoff series, without him.

and those 'other all-stars' developed into all-stars on his watch. that's a credit to his resume, not a knock.


>
>#facts
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aren't doc and SVG the only 2 guys w/ dual roles? i wouldn't exactly call either a failure.

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To coach out of their GM mistakes. I don't know if the Baynes contract or the Meeks or the letting Monroe and Smith go for literally nothing were good decisions, and Doc's resume as a GM speaks for itself (mournfully, with a tinge of resignation), but both guys left the roster with players they trusted and knew how to use. Not sure it's been the best example of building a roster as the Pistons exit the playoffs looking like a solid team built around second or thrid-tier stars, but it's been good coaching.

Afraid for Thibs with Layden backing him up.

to me, if you're making the argument that dual-role coach-GMs are a bad idea in theory, i need to see specific examples of guys who have FAILED at it. who've been markedly worse than the average single-role GM.

doc and SVG don't really fit that criterion. popovich and riley certainly don't.

so who specifically are people referring to when they make the "letting one guy do both jobs doesn't work" argument?

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over the last couple of years?

he's been okay. not great. not atrocious. okay.

but hey, let's say for argument's sake that he's been terrible.

fine. even granting that, what's it prove? it's one guy. that's hardly sufficient.

there isn't a credible argument to be made that stan van has been poor or below-average. and pop and riley have obv been extremely successful in comparable roles.

there's no evidence for such a blanket statement imo. it differs from case to case, and just depends on the individual.

when you say "letting one guy be both coach and GM is a bad idea and doesn't work", it SOUNDS right, sure. but there isn't really anything to support it.

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Of the ideal relationship, where he has control over the direction but has tons of outside input.

Doc has almost complete control and has basically picked up famous guys because he knew who they were OVER and OVER. Like, who in 2014 was trying to get Big Baby Davis or Turkoglu on their bench? Who else was trading for Austin Rivers? Who else gave up a pick to get Jeff Green when what you badly needed was defense and shooting from his position? Don't forget, he was the last guy to employ Lamar Odom, before he was GM and just had a big say in the front office. Like, every mid-00's role player's career has gone to die on the Clippers' bench, if he didn't decide to revive already for God knows what reason ("Hey, didn't Pablo Prigioni and Josh Smith just beat us in a series? And they're both unsigned?")

I don't disagree that we're basing this on just a few circumstances, but the reason the argument sounds right is that both of those jobs are incredibly time intensive, making it less likely they'll do the one that is less familiar and less in their day-to-day activities (the GM one) while completely informed. If that's true, they should have a lot of other loud voices in the management sector. Doc has shown what happens when you don't have that. And Thibs just added Scott "I made Isiah seem like a planner!" Layden to be his right-hand man. That worries me.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

Mitchell had that team developing and playing together
at the end of the season. His methods were yielding REAL
improvements, and you can tell this especially by the effect
on the second tier guys on the team (Shabazz, Dieng, etc).
Guys were buying in, doing the fundamentals. And KAT was
actually coached, not just trotted out there...he wasn't
just randomly chucking

He deserved a chance to see his young guys gel towards
their prime

Now Thibs gets the talent as it gets better

This is disgusting and awful and why blacks get nowhere

If you are black and are defending that shit, you're a coon,
there's nothing else to it

And I have no problem with Thibs

Mitchell deserved to get a chance to see these guys near their
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Cut it out......

I'm probably one of the more vocal Bulls fans on this board that has criticized Thibs' at times ridiculously intense style of coaching...But I don't have too much to say about the results....

Thibs is in another class than the homie Mitchell....He just is...U keep talking about that Thibs only became one of the best coaches in the league because of the caliber of players he had...NO SHIT....That's part of the game....From Pat Riley to Phil Jackson to Pop, u need some exceptional talent to win...

The irony with Thibs is he even found a way to win when even his best players were on the bench....

Thibs: Oh, Rose is out? I'll just go to the free agent wire and pick up a scrubby PG and he will flourish and leave our team with a big contract....Oh, Noah's out? Hey Taj, u got next...Oh, Jimmy's out? WHO'S UP NEXT???

If u want to have a debate about Thibs working his players too hard and at times into the ground, that's something we can get into....

Otherwise, u just sound like u are talking to yourself at this point....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

We do know what Thibs did as the head coach of a young up and coming squad. He played them niggaz until their joints exploded like G.I. Joes thrown in a microwave.

Pass.

Hard pass.

O.E.s point is valid.

Honest question. When was the last time a white coach didn't get a chance to finish the job after coaching a young up and coming team through their baby years?

I don't know. I'm asking.

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carlisle in detroit. SVG in miami.

happens a lot. it's a tough racket.



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>Honest question. When was the last time a white coach didn't
>get a chance to finish the job after coaching a young up and
>coming team through their baby years?
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>I don't know. I'm asking.

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>carlisle in detroit.

That wasn't a young, developing team. That was a
championship-caliber team with several guys in their
primes. And he was relieved of his duty by a guy who was
already a clear cut all-time great coach.

>SVG in miami.

Again: that was a championship caliber team. They had the
best big man in the game (by far). And SVG was relieved by
Pat Riley, one of the best coaches ever.

So these are horrible examples.


Mitchell is never going to get a chance to see the
primes of the guys that he is developing.

It's racism, and this type of thing happens in many professions:

We are expected to do more with less. It's the black way.


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and pedantic. and intellectually dishonest. it's not cute.

lots of coaches, of all stripes, get fired before getting a chance to finish the job.

it's the nature of the profession. cutthroat, often thankless, and not always meritocratic.

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>it's the nature of the profession. cutthroat, often thankless,
>and not always meritocratic.

Life is hard for everyone.

Life is really, really hard for some people.

That's the way it works.

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i truly am, dogg.

but i really don't see anything foul or out of the ordinary in *this* particular instance. that's the god-honest truth.

(it'd be crazy if they end up hiring mark jackson, lolz)







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>>it's the nature of the profession. cutthroat, often
>thankless,
>>and not always meritocratic.
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>Life is hard for everyone.
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>Life is really, really hard for some people.
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>That's the way it works.
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>That wasn't a young, developing team. That was a
>championship-caliber team with several guys in their
>primes.

Carlisle had one year with Chauncey, Rip, and Okur. 2 castoffs and a second round draft pick. Tayshaun was a 2nd year player. Starting 4 was Cliff Robinson in the 21st century. Carlisle coached Ben into his first allstar game.

Im happy the way it turned out but if you dont think he got royally fucked youre being intentionally idiotic.

None of those players hit their competitive primes until after Carlisle was gone. Other than Cliff of course, whose competitive prime was actually over well before that.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

>
>>That wasn't a young, developing team. That was a
>>championship-caliber team with several guys in their
>>primes.
>
>Carlisle had one year with Chauncey, Rip, and Okur. 2
>castoffs and a second round draft pick. Tayshaun was a 2nd
>year player. Starting 4 was Cliff Robinson in the 21st
>century. Carlisle coached Ben into his first allstar game.
>
>Im happy the way it turned out but if you dont think he got
>royally fucked youre being intentionally idiotic.
>
>None of those players hit their competitive primes until after
>Carlisle was gone. Other than Cliff of course, whose
>competitive prime was actually over well before that.


And then this^^^^^

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

dude is trying to cap for a guy who won 30 games, FOH. they got him as a bridge coach, he built the bridge. you can do a relatively good job and still get canned, which is what happened. it's not like they made the playoffs and shitcanned him.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

*2 points for O_E*



Damn, I'm good.



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Altho fisking your nonsense does bring me some enjoyment so im glad youre around

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

His team is young and developing.

His franchise player can't have a fucking beer.

Let them drink beer, for fucks sakes.

Brett Brown coached guys that age and had them fighting
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