assuming they get the #1 pick..

does Simmons work with Okafor and Nerlins??

or would Ingram be the guy....

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If they don't want to keep both, I think they'd go Simmons. Simmons is the better rebounder, ballhandler, and stronger finisher at the cup. Ingram is the vastly better shooter, more versatile offensive threat, and sneakily better defender. Both suffer from the usual young player bullshit (forcing bad passes, forcing drives into traffic, occasional bad body language in adversity, etc), but both have really high ceilings.

I think the problem with Simmons, Jah, and Nerlens on the team is either you'd have a severely clogged paint or you'd be asking one of these three terrific talents to play out of their comfortable position. I think any two of these guys can co-exist if they surround them with three point shooters and efficient perimeter defenders... hence why I feel like bringing Ingram around Jah and Nerlens would be a really nice fit. Ingram really does well in transition or half court, too-- you can't abandon him to double team Jah on offense like teams have wanted to do thanks to Philly's laughable perimeter offensive weapons.

But if they get the #1 pick, I'm not convinced fit would matter to them. I think they'd take Simmons and look to move Jah or Nerlens (based on present contracts, I'd imagine they'd move Nerlens for purely financial reasons, but Simmons and Nerlens could run the court really well together... not sure what call they would make in that scenario).

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Simmons and Nerlins.... particularly with Okafor's style of play...

on the surface...Ingram adds an element to the Sixers front line that brings them some balance....


Ingram is obviously a more natural SF...

but Simmons is a special player too....if he can stretch the floor a bit more as a shooter.... with his ball handling he could be a SF/PF hybrid....

Julius Randle has that element in his game too... but he's not the finisher that Simmons is....


the Sixers shouldn't trade Nerlins or Okafor ... at some point you got to draft good players...develop them and keep them....

One of them has to go. And Okafor is the one that could fetch the better return so my guess is that he'd be the one that gets dealt.

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I think it could go either way but yes I think long-term the two are not really working out together. Simmons and Okafor is an interesting combo. Let's not forget that Embiid is still a possibility; he ain't dead yet.

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>Let's not forget that Embiid is still a
>possibility; he ain't dead yet

He's there, and that's an intriguing option, but you cannot put any eggs into that basket when planning the future, obviously.

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He'll be a restricted free agent so it's not like he's going to walk. Unless they somehow got him for cheap, which seems unlikely given the current market with the cap going up.

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has had so many super high draft picks....then not even a year into a season, they claim the pieces they literally just drafted months before don't fit together...

it's really amazing to me...

the normal circumstance of drafting young players....developing young players....developing a team..and making a run to the playoffs with that young team after adding more pieces..... that concept seems just foreign to what the Sixers are doing...

They drafted Monroe in 2010, then Drummond in 2012 and it was clear to everyone that they wouldn't work well together. Philly wisely doesn't want to have what happened in Detroit to happen - to just watch Monroe walk away for nothing in return.

The Wizards also had something close with Webber, Juwan, and 'Sheed.

Mostly, the Sixers took the best player available, hoped he could transition to PF, he has shown that he can't so he just added to their glut of centers.

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>
>The Wizards also had something close with Webber, Juwan, and
>'Sheed.

because Juwan got played out of position at the SF slot.


Rod
Calbert
Juwan
Webber
Muresan

And I think, as a result, Juwan became known as the lesser player of the two.

>They drafted Monroe in 2010, then Drummond in 2012 and it was
>clear to everyone that they wouldn't work well together.
>Philly wisely doesn't want to have what happened in Detroit to
>happen - to just watch Monroe walk away for nothing in return.

Detroit is in a much better situation though today than the Sixers...and Drummond and Monroe did have some success together.

like how can we say that the Sixers don't want to get down the road that the Pistons went down, when even after letting Monroe walk the Pistons are on the door step of the playoffs and are 24 games ahead of the Sixers currently?


>
>The Wizards also had something close with Webber, Juwan, and
>'Sheed.


The Bullets made the playoffs with a front line of Webber, Juwan and Muresan more than once.

>
>Mostly, the Sixers took the best player available, hoped he
>could transition to PF, he has shown that he can't so he just
>added to their glut of centers.


here's the thing though...

what happened to Coaching and a team having a system to develop players?


if all you're going to do is throw 19 and 20 year olds out there and say "if they fit they fit, if they don't trade them" just doesn't seem like a professional strategy. Coaching...having an overall organizational system .... all of that is supposed to make things fit...make them work.

Don't get me wrong; I hate Hinkie's approach of seeing his roster as a collection of assets instead of a team but, then again, they could potentially have the assets to get both Simmons and Ingram (they'd have to get Lakers #4 and deal one of their prospects to move up.) But Simmons and Murray could be just as intriguing.

>Detroit is in a much better situation though today than the
>Sixers...and Drummond and Monroe did have some success
>together.

Monroe and Drummond's best season was last year with 32 wins. And that was with the Pistons trying to actually win games and not tanking outright like the Sixers. I wouldn't call that success.

>like how can we say that the Sixers don't want to get down the
>road that the Pistons went down, when even after letting
>Monroe walk the Pistons are on the door step of the playoffs
>and are 24 games ahead of the Sixers currently?

It took the Pistons six years to rebuild; Hinkie's on year 3. And the Pistons were able to right their roster the past year or so but I think most everyone would agree that letting one of your best trade assets walk for nothing is a bad move.

>The Bullets made the playoffs with a front line of Webber,
>Juwan and Muresan more than once.

Webber only made the playoffs once with the Wizards and it was after they dealt 'Sheed for Rod Strickland.

>what happened to Coaching and a team having a system to
>develop players?

That's not Hinkie's plan. And I think it's a stupid plan, especially when the roster is filled with kids and there's no veteran presence to help guide them through life in the NBA and how to take care of their bodies, nevermind their finances and all of the other shit that comes with being a 20 year old millionaire.

The flaw in Hinkie's logic is that drafting the best player available doesn't work if you don't put that player in a position to succeed. He sees his players as assets and then puts them in a position where their value takes a hit. (The one rook who was put in a good position was MC-W, which is why his value was strong when they traded him.)

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None of them amounted to anything though =(

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The Sixers traded a rookie of the year in his 2nd year...

they seem to be looking to trade a lottery pick big man before his rookie year is even over..... or a guy projected to be a #1 overall in what amounts to his 2nd year...

they've drafted 2 lottery players who have yet to play 1 game for them...and happen to play the same position as the 2 guys just mentioned...

they made another trade for a hurt big man who never suited up for them....


they go through all that, and look at their roster today...

I mean, to me it's just a historical level of modern ineptness going on.

You can't find an exact corollary obviously but those other teams, by and large, were trying to succeed in a linear way and failed to do it for years. You look at what MCW has done since he left, that trade was a win. The Jrue trade, too.

I don't think you can look at individual moves and fault them but unless shit takes shape soon, the whole is penny thrifty and pound foolish. This is the year where it should happen--especially if they have two picks in the top 10 like it appears--because we will know who's coming between their incoming rookies, Saric, Embiid and whatever FAs they sign with the forthcoming shit ton of cap space (though realistically I think they will be bigger players in the FA market two summers from now, given how many teams will be in it this year).

What they are doing is unprecedented, sure, but not in the way you're suggesting. Plenty of teams have managed their shit as bad or worse, and not at all on purpose.

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>You can't find an exact corollary obviously but those other
>teams, by and large, were trying to succeed in a linear way
>and failed to do it for years. You look at what MCW has done
>since he left, that trade was a win. The Jrue trade, too.


what did the Sixers get for MCW? That is how you judge whether that was a good trade or not.


>
>I don't think you can look at individual moves and fault them
>but unless shit takes shape soon, the whole is penny thrifty
>and pound foolish. This is the year where it should
>happen--especially if they have two picks in the top 10 like
>it appears--because we will know who's coming between their
>incoming rookies, Saric, Embiid and whatever FAs they sign
>with the forthcoming shit ton of cap space (though
>realistically I think they will be bigger players in the FA
>market two summers from now, given how many teams will be in
>it this year).


here's the thing.... one guaranteed way to keep free agents away is to present yourself as an organization that doesn't know what they were doing. Salary cap is meaningless if guys don't want to come play for your squad. The Sixers are a historically great franchise we great players in their history...but they look completely incompetent now and are honestly doing things to build a team that defies logic.


>
>What they are doing is unprecedented, sure, but not in the way
>you're suggesting. Plenty of teams have managed their shit as
>bad or worse, and not at all on purpose.


I just disagree ma. There is no rhyme or reason to what they are doing. The sheer quantity of lottery picks they've had and you look at their roster in 2016...to me that's not something we've seen before.

>>You can't find an exact corollary obviously but those other
>>teams, by and large, were trying to succeed in a linear way
>>and failed to do it for years. You look at what MCW has done
>>since he left, that trade was a win. The Jrue trade, too.
>
>
>what did the Sixers get for MCW? That is how you judge
>whether that was a good trade or not.

We got your lottery pick this year more than likely, which has more value than he does. He hasn't done shit since he left. Milwaukee were the losers in that deal, they gave up at least a slightly (and clearly) better player in Knight. So we'll see who they got but they were never going to get more for him, which makes it an acceptable trade and probably a good one.

>>I don't think you can look at individual moves and fault
>them
>>but unless shit takes shape soon, the whole is penny thrifty
>>and pound foolish. This is the year where it should
>>happen--especially if they have two picks in the top 10 like
>>it appears--because we will know who's coming between their
>>incoming rookies, Saric, Embiid and whatever FAs they sign
>>with the forthcoming shit ton of cap space (though
>>realistically I think they will be bigger players in the FA
>>market two summers from now, given how many teams will be in
>>it this year).
>
>
>here's the thing.... one guaranteed way to keep free agents
>away is to present yourself as an organization that doesn't
>know what they were doing. Salary cap is meaningless if guys
>don't want to come play for your squad. The Sixers are a
>historically great franchise we great players in their
>history...but they look completely incompetent now and are
>honestly doing things to build a team that defies logic.

Like every bad team they will have to overpay for guys on the open market to land them. There are no degrees of that, really, and the more money and chips they have, the more of an advantage they have over other shitty teams. Are we going to take players away from the Warriors? No. From the Magic or TWolves? Sure.

>>What they are doing is unprecedented, sure, but not in the
>way
>>you're suggesting. Plenty of teams have managed their shit
>as
>>bad or worse, and not at all on purpose.
>
>
>I just disagree ma. There is no rhyme or reason to what they
>are doing. The sheer quantity of lottery picks they've had
>and you look at their roster in 2016...to me that's not
>something we've seen before.


In that sense, yes, but they set out to do something radical. Again there is this arbitrary panic point in a plan that was pretty well laid out, at least in terms of a direction and a timeline. Let's see how the ping pong balls go, quite possible they pick twice in the top 5 and get two more lotto picks they already made joining the team. If their roster is Saric, Noel, Embiid, Okafor, Simmons and Brown plus six veteran guys on opening night next year, that's a pretty talented group albeit still very, very young.

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>>>You can't find an exact corollary obviously but those
>other
>>>teams, by and large, were trying to succeed in a linear way
>>>and failed to do it for years. You look at what MCW has
>done
>>>since he left, that trade was a win. The Jrue trade, too.
>>
>>
>>what did the Sixers get for MCW? That is how you judge
>>whether that was a good trade or not.
>
>We got your lottery pick this year more than likely, which has
>more value than he does. He hasn't done shit since he left.
>Milwaukee were the losers in that deal, they gave up at least
>a slightly (and clearly) better player in Knight. So we'll see
>who they got but they were never going to get more for him,
>which makes it an acceptable trade and probably a good one.


and you got that top 3 protected pick from the Suns.... not sure what that had to do with MCW trade..

see...most teams get value in return for a trade...particularly if you trade the rookie of the year, you would think you'd get some value in return....

do you currently have any guards on your roster ..right today..that are better than either MCW or Jrue???




>
>>>I don't think you can look at individual moves and fault
>>them
>>>but unless shit takes shape soon, the whole is penny
>thrifty
>>>and pound foolish. This is the year where it should
>>>happen--especially if they have two picks in the top 10
>like
>>>it appears--because we will know who's coming between their
>>>incoming rookies, Saric, Embiid and whatever FAs they sign
>>>with the forthcoming shit ton of cap space (though
>>>realistically I think they will be bigger players in the FA
>>>market two summers from now, given how many teams will be
>in
>>>it this year).
>>
>>
>>here's the thing.... one guaranteed way to keep free agents
>>away is to present yourself as an organization that doesn't
>>know what they were doing. Salary cap is meaningless if
>guys
>>don't want to come play for your squad. The Sixers are a
>>historically great franchise we great players in their
>>history...but they look completely incompetent now and are
>>honestly doing things to build a team that defies logic.
>
>Like every bad team they will have to overpay for guys on the
>open market to land them.

but what guys.... they've had to have had salary cap space for years now....what guys have even showed an slight interest in signing with the Sixers that you would thus have to over pay for??




There are no degrees of that,
>really, and the more money and chips they have, the more of an
>advantage they have over other shitty teams. Are we going to
>take players away from the Warriors? No. From the Magic or
>TWolves? Sure.


but who have you taken away from ANYONE??? You been had cap space..


>
>>>What they are doing is unprecedented, sure, but not in the
>>way
>>>you're suggesting. Plenty of teams have managed their shit
>>as
>>>bad or worse, and not at all on purpose.
>>
>>
>>I just disagree ma. There is no rhyme or reason to what they
>>are doing. The sheer quantity of lottery picks they've had
>>and you look at their roster in 2016...to me that's not
>>something we've seen before.
>
>
>In that sense, yes, but they set out to do something radical.
>Again there is this arbitrary panic point in a plan that was
>pretty well laid out, at least in terms of a direction and a
>timeline. Let's see how the ping pong balls go, quite possible
>they pick twice in the top 5 and get two more lotto picks they
>already made joining the team. If their roster is Saric, Noel,
>Embiid, Okafor, Simmons and Brown plus six veteran guys on
>opening night next year, that's a pretty talented group albeit
>still very, very young.


it was radical....wearing your underwear outside of your pants would be radical, but there is a reason why people tend not to do it....lol..

I dunno man...it seems to me someone should have scrapped this plan a few years ago and get back to drafting talent...developing talent...and keeping talent so you can win games....then maybe you'd attract free agents..

the fact that this nonsense was allowed to go on like this should have a lot of Sixers fans livid...

I'm not saying the Lakers have been geniuses during these last couple of years, but we have young talent NOW..on our roster...building together, and will hopefully get a top 3 pick to add to it...with a bunch of cap space...

I mean Larry Nance Jr. would be like the 3rd best player on the Sixers right now, wouldn't he??

55.8% chance that we stay in the top 3 with the 2nd worst record in the league (and the Suns are 4 L's up for 3rd worst record). I don't think I have to spell out for you what the more likely situation is in regards to us keeping the pick or not.

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I think Simmons would easily be their first pick. He'd fill a number of obvious needs.

I also agree that the Sixers shouldn't trade their young picks-- I think it'd be a lot easier to see if Nerlens and Jah work together if they had a remotely competent offense along the perimeter to keep the floor spread. But, as pointed out below, I won't be surprised to see one dealt. Maybe both, just cuz it's a shit show there. Who knows.

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It's obvious but, if they think Simmons is the best player, they'll take him and figure everything else out later. Danny Ainge expressed interest in Okafor before the deadline so they could trade him for Brooklyn's pick. If things bounce their way, they could end up with three top six picks.

But, yeah, Ingram is the better fit.

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Or dependent on who else is on the team. Ingram may be an all star. Simmons ceiling, I'm told, is a lot higher.

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I also don't think the ceiling difference between Simmons and Ingram is *that* great, necessarily-- not to the "you take Simmons and you don't think about it" level that some are implying. I think you think about it. Simmons has an obvious edge just due to the readiness of his body... but there are red flags there against stardom IMO.

At some point, they will need to actually contemplate fit-- because taking a big man every year is just gonna give you a team that will continue to be unable to shoot outside of 12 feet.

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Ingram has a potential All-Star type ceiling.

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Suffice it to say, I have Simmons' ceiling as slightly lower than you and Ingram's as slightly higher than you. I think both will be very very good.

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Until now they have been starting from zero every year essentially. Now getting a player who can play with Okafor might be of some import but I think few if any teams consider fit picking first overall.

Still too many unknowns to be fine tuning. Best player available, worry about fit with later picks and/or free-agent signings. The team has a lot of money under the cap still and if you're looking for a specific role/position, you should get a known commodity. The top of the lotto is meant for star power, period.

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Ingram gained explosiveness he didn't have in HS after just a year in a real weight program. I suspect he'll gain more with strength.

Simmons don't strike me as a superstar player. he gives off that master of none vibe.

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any more it doesnt really matter where these guys kill their time for a year, or at least they don't sink or swim based on that.

i am not crying if we get either guy, or jaylen brown for that matter. he's maybe a little raw but ohhhh does he have the things you can't teach.

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something we see everyday...

Ingram I think may have more value as a SF which both the Sixers and the Lakers likely need..

but Simmons looks like Blake Griffin with handles at this point which would be pretty valuable.

Ingram will turn 19 about a month before the season starts.

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that's what was widely reported...

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>Simmons don't strike me as a superstar player. he gives off
>that master of none vibe.

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>I need a full season and an all-star game before I beat y'all
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>
>be prepared...it's gon hurt.

nigga's fat.

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Sixers get #4 and #5 and take Skal and Poetl.

Although I wouldn't be upset if the Celtics didn't get a top 3 pick and grabbed Skal. I know he's struggled but I still like his upside and he's just the rim protector that the Celtics have needed. My fear is that we end up with #5 and end up trading for Kevin Love.

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>Sixers get #4 and #5 and take Skal and Poetl.
>
>Although I wouldn't be upset if the Celtics didn't get a top 3
>pick and grabbed Skal. I know he's struggled but I still like
>his upside and he's just the rim protector that the Celtics
>have needed. My fear is that we end up with #5 and end up
>trading for Kevin Love.

And we get next year's lakers pick unconditional.

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Am I wrong? He seems like an Allan Houston type of player who is very content with being ready to shoot an open three.

I've only watched like 7 or 8 games, the ones vs top opponents, and I haven't seen him try to take over or effect the game outside of getting hot from the outside. His game seems very suburban and he lacks toughness.

I'm trying to get on board because more than likely the 6ers will get the 2nd or 3rd pick.


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>Am I wrong? He seems like an Allan Houston type of player who
>is very content with being ready to shoot an open three.
>
>I've only watched like 7 or 8 games, the ones vs top
>opponents, and I haven't seen him try to take over or effect
>the game outside of getting hot from the outside. His game
>seems very suburban and he lacks toughness.

The UVA game, the UNC away game, Louisville at home, the Miami loss, the Indiana game-- all tough, all strong, gritty performances.

The only big games that fit that bill imo were Kentucky, UNC at home, and Louisville on the road. Not sure how you'd think the first four I listed above weren't tough performances.

His and Grayson's toughness is really the only reason we finished Top 5 in the ACC without Amile. He had to fight for rebounds in addition to being a wing shooter and one of our best playmakers.

He's still a little turnover prone when driving to the basket, but his handles are smooth and his instincts are strong. He's just young and still building muscle. I don't question his toughness at all.

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That is why I asked. Every time i checked in he was real reluctant and settling for jumpers when its obvious Duke has no one he should be deferring to. Grayson cannot be your old head, I'm sorry. Grayson fly shit dont work against teams with players who will actually go to the next level. That is when I was looking for Ingram to step up and I didnt see it.

But you have to take him at 2, just in case.

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Cuz he had plenty of spots in all of mentioned game when he absolutely took over.

Ingram and Allen have had to saddle an exorbitant amount of the offense of this team with the loss of Amile Jefferson. It decimated our pick and roll game, our ability to generate extra possessions off of offensive rebounds, etc. So if you saw stretches where Allen was pushing the issue, sure-- I believe that. But there are also plenty of stretches in which the offense was vice versa-- with Ingram driving every time and Allen chilling on the perimeter.

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>More than anything I think the 6ers need someone who can drop
>at least 22pts a game from the 1,2, or 3 to help Oak. I want
>the point guard from Oakland.
>

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They have 1000 2nd picks.

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I'm not convinced Cat Barber, who isn't a great shooter, isn't good finishing at the rim, and isn't good on defense, is a pro at all.

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Again, I'm talking about 2nd rounders and I would rather take a shot at people who are scorers at the PG or SG spot and limit crowd at the 3,4 and 5 spots.

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and I can't shake it.

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>I've only watched like 7 or 8 games, the ones vs top
>opponents, and I haven't seen him try to take over or effect
>the game outside of getting hot from the outside. His game
>seems very suburban and he lacks toughness.

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DraftExpress has already moved Ingram to #1. More and more scouts and NBA guys are acquiescing. The movement is under way.

As I said above, wouldn't be surprised either way, depending on which team gets the pick. Their ceilings aren't as dissimilar as people initially thought, plus way more red flags present-day over Simmons.

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was impressed watching him in the Oregon game.

And that's the only time I've watched him, lol.

We'll see how the balls fall but personally I like this development if it holds. We still get the choice at No. 1, may still get Simmons if he slips a spot or two. The most beautiful thing would be the Lakers falling out of the top 3. Then we get a stud SF and either Murray or Dunn, too. Who do you think is the better prospect there? I have not seen much of Dunn, nice NBA body though, even though I know he's had some injuries already.

Ingram scares me a little because he is gangly as fuck and it's not like Durant where he showed great P4P strength and athleticism. Beyond that, I have no reservations. Not many guys are Durant's level of blue chip, so I can't cry about that.

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this is contingent on the 6ers not trading Oak though

and whoever's dumb f'n idea that is has me ready to boycott next year too

I'd trade Nerlens or Embiid before Oak

that is to say, we're good on bigs/frontcourt (future projections obviously)

our backcourt is still empty and Hield looks like a natural transistion to an NBA 2

Simmons has the size for a 4, but is he ready to play against NBA 4s?

and then where does Nerlens play?

also, I think Ingram should stay in school

and eat about 10K calories/day

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He will finally get the constant and endless coaching + repetition that he needs to be consistent and comfortable. Highly unlikely in year 1 but that summer after year 1 when it's a full summer with his team staff will be the crucial time period.

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He's a kid. And has all of the other skills required. It's not like he's shooting like Tony Allen.

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I think the top two are very obviously Simmons and Ingram. That's the clear top tier to me.

I think it's more than *just* the shot. It's also the defense and, even though I think the next bit is unfair, the character questions. For me, it's even more about Ingram looking even better than people's high expectations.

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i just think BI gon be a lot better in 2 years. and not in relation to simmons, but in terms of starting to max out his potential.

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smh...

these guys

Nerlens, IMO, is neither a C or an NBA starter

and obviously, at this point, neither is Embiid (he is a C though, recent rumor is he's grown 2 inches since the draft)

IMO, if the plan involves keeping either of those 2, they would be best suited coming off the bench anyway

IRT, Oak, some things to consider that might make sense of this

could be his knee injury is more serious than has been reported

I don't think that's true, as it was reported as a small meniscus tear to begin with, but hey, you never know (see Bynum)

also could be Oak wants out...?

but yeah, from a fans perspective, it makes zero f'n sense to me to trade the 1 nba starter we've managed to attain through the 'process' for more draft picks (unknowns)

their salaries are still on rookie contracts (I think), and the 'process' was to fill out the roster with more draft picks, so it couldn't be a money issue (and the cap goes up)

I hope he goes to BOS, they win a chip, and the 6ers are relegated to the lottery for another 10 years, SacTown East.

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So far, from what I can tell, he seems like a soft-minded individual that doesn't get along with his teammates.

There are certain players, regardless of talent, that will never live up to expectations due to the intangibles. Y'all don't think there is a big chance he turns out to be one of these guys?

On the other hand, Heild has proven that he's a baller and I believe will have a great NBA career. He has the intangibles to me.