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"Wrestling Poast - Road to Rasslemania, Maggle!"


  

          

Royal Rumble tonight. Who ya got? I can't even pretend I care about the rest of the card. I'll have this on one TV and Zona/Carolina on the other in the cave.

There's no way the kid walks out of this as the champ. No way. The cheating is gonna jump off. That or we get the Ambrose turn way too late.

If I had the book, I give it to Taker since he was in-line to main event vs Cena anyway. Of course, he'd show up as late as possible once the heels are closing in on Reigns.

I assume we get HHH showing up and winning via shenanigans. And then, Reigns has to 'earn his Mania title shot' in some sort of shady situation at Fast Lane.

I want to see Taker somehow though. That showing up on March 8th, rolling his eyes, and telling someone to rest in peace to set up a match shit is lame for what could/should be his last Mania.

I don't think we see AJ unless he takes HHH's place in the #30 or #31 shenanigans.

  

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anybody got a stream for this? i actually want to watch this.
Jan 24th 2016
1
WWE Network is almost always free for new folks...
Jan 24th 2016
2
My prediction: Triple H enters at 31 and wins.
Jan 24th 2016
3
I have no idea what's going on the last couple months.
Jan 24th 2016
4
Roman Reigns.
Jan 24th 2016
6
      Ha. Thanks.
Jan 24th 2016
7
jojooooooooo
Jan 24th 2016
5
this match need some blood. it's cool so far
Jan 24th 2016
8
There are way too many "extreme" matches given how watered down the prod...
Jan 24th 2016
10
Indy Brawl goodness...
Jan 24th 2016
9
What's Orton's status??
Jan 24th 2016
11
Needed neck surgery after recording from shoulder. Out 6ish months as of...
Jan 24th 2016
12
RE: What's Orton's status??
Jan 24th 2016
13
i hate to say this but i think i'd like to see Super Reigns tonight
Jan 24th 2016
14
AJ theme lit as fuck.
Jan 24th 2016
15
Wow man Titus O'Neil really sucks
Jan 24th 2016
16
most cringeworthy moveset on the roster
Jan 24th 2016
33
just gotta 80s it up man.
Jan 24th 2016
17
Makes no sense kayfabe wise to not throw Roman in the ring
Jan 24th 2016
18
it's almost heel-like in a way too to not have to fight through the matc...
Jan 24th 2016
19
      Yeah, fake an injury, go to the back, come back at the very end.
Jan 24th 2016
20
they're gonna waste Lesnar at Mania with some Wyatt program
Jan 24th 2016
21
This is what happens when all your stars are hurt
Jan 24th 2016
22
Gotta disagree, I'm glad Wyatt is finally getting a meaningful feud agai...
Jan 24th 2016
24
Reigns not even selling, what is this garbage
Jan 24th 2016
23
Wrestling psychology doesn't come with Samoan genes
Jan 24th 2016
25
looks real bad with KO walking out like a dead man on his entry
Jan 24th 2016
26
      KO is a professional wreslter, Reigns is a sports entertainer
Jan 24th 2016
31
Triple H is your champion in 2016.
Jan 24th 2016
27
Weird.
Jan 24th 2016
28
coulda blew ambrose star up but WWE gonna WWE. smh.
Jan 24th 2016
29
yep...
Jan 24th 2016
30
This is fantastic booking guys.
Jan 24th 2016
32
can't tell if serious.
Jan 24th 2016
34
absolutely I am.
Jan 24th 2016
35
he is right, this makes sense storytelling wise
Jan 24th 2016
36
      Been a fan 20+ years, just don't remember it being so phoned in
Jan 24th 2016
37
           Royal Rumble 1998
Jan 25th 2016
40
           Yep, if you did that today Smarks would probably boo Austin.
Jan 26th 2016
71
           they needed matches they could sell at Wrestlemania
Jan 25th 2016
41
pass me whatever you're drinking.
Jan 24th 2016
38
RE: The booking is fine...
Jan 25th 2016
58
      I agree the HHH showing was strange
Jan 25th 2016
59
      normally i'd agree, but i think it fits the story they're telling.
Jan 25th 2016
60
Sasha though... http://imgur.com/a/4DTLz
Jan 25th 2016
39
<<<< VERY loyal to Team B.A.D.
Jan 25th 2016
45
Watching the replay-no idea why Ambrose is over
Jan 25th 2016
42
you're not alone. He's not good.
Jan 25th 2016
43
I thought it was just me...
Jan 25th 2016
44
They are holding Ambrose back
Jan 25th 2016
57
ManI don't know what happened. He was very good when he was in
Jan 25th 2016
65
I thought the PPV overall was excellent
Jan 25th 2016
46
It's just funny that WWE doesn't see how little Reigns will draw as cham...
Jan 25th 2016
47
He draws, there is a difference between Raw crowds and PPV crowds
Jan 25th 2016
51
      Have you ever seen any of his merch in the crowd?
Jan 25th 2016
53
           Sales numbers in October look good for him
Jan 25th 2016
54
           it's not Reigns' fault.
Jan 25th 2016
55
thank you, people are conflating predictable with bad
Jan 25th 2016
49
      Ambrose is the definition of going over without winning
Jan 25th 2016
52
      what would've been fun:
Jan 25th 2016
56
           That's what I thought was gonna happen
Jan 25th 2016
61
                I was convinced him or Roman was about to turn heel
Jan 25th 2016
62
                yep. i started running a mental clock on seth recovery timeline
Jan 25th 2016
66
I really enjoyed it...
Jan 25th 2016
48
officially speaking Reigns lasted longer than Y2J
Jan 25th 2016
50
I hope this RAW gets better realfast,. cause
Jan 25th 2016
63
Possibly the worst 10 minutes in Raw history
Jan 25th 2016
64
rocky was buzzing lmao.
Jan 25th 2016
67
idk how vince and co can watch that segment and not turn everybody loose
Jan 25th 2016
68
He's playing the old Hollywood Vince game.
Jan 25th 2016
69
realest shit you ever wrote
Jan 26th 2016
73
boy did that take forever
Jan 26th 2016
77
Wha?! Why would they put Reigns in a contenders match?
Jan 26th 2016
70
RE: Wha?! Why would they put Reigns in a contenders match?
Jan 26th 2016
72
Yup, having to fight his friend and Brock is a punishment
Jan 26th 2016
74
The D-Bry story is probably the best gimmick WWE ever had...
Jan 27th 2016
78
right. there's a lot of ways to book it creatively.
Jan 26th 2016
75
I didn't watch the last hour, why doesn't he just use his rematch clause
Jan 26th 2016
76
Massive NXT Dallas spoiler
Jan 28th 2016
79
I'm gonna be there, the card looks great so far
Jan 28th 2016
80
Anyone watch LU last night?
Jan 28th 2016
81
First episode I've watched in full, LOVE IT
Jan 28th 2016
83
RE: Hell yeah!
Jan 28th 2016
88
Plus EVERY match means something
Jan 29th 2016
91
      RE: Plus EVERY match means something
Jan 29th 2016
93
Theyre doubling down on what sets them apart from the competition
Jan 29th 2016
94
Man I forgot how horrendous AJ is on the mic
Jan 28th 2016
82
See my thoughts from the last post
Jan 28th 2016
84
      Yeah I think I gave TNA too much blame for AJ
Jan 28th 2016
85
           Bland is fine if you're Canadian/super nothern
Jan 28th 2016
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           Nah those guys weren't awful. Just mediocre.
Jan 28th 2016
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           Man cmon lol
Jan 29th 2016
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           RE: Yeah I think I gave TNA too much blame for AJ
Jan 28th 2016
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           Difference with Rollins is he was a spot monkey with a good platform
Jan 29th 2016
90
           Jarrett is what happens when you give X-Pac a top title
Jan 29th 2016
92
Just got back from NXT Pittsburgh
Jan 29th 2016
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RE: Just got back from NXT Pittsburgh
Jan 29th 2016
97
Lucha Underground coming to iTunes / S3 is a go as well (link)
Jan 31st 2016
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Bret Hart announced he has prostate cancer, undergoing surgery soon
Feb 01st 2016
99
Interesting. I figured him for throat cancer as much as he blows himself
Feb 02nd 2016
103
What the hell are these sentences?
Feb 02nd 2016
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      LOL...I needed a translation too
Feb 02nd 2016
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      Lol they're perfectly legible even with the autocorrect typo
Feb 02nd 2016
112
           "He got cancer better than anyone alive" is what the 1st sentence says?
Feb 02nd 2016
113
                There's one typo. It was perfectly legible.
Feb 02nd 2016
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RE: Bret Hart announced he has prostate cancer, undergoing surgery soon
Feb 02nd 2016
104
Well, can't say they aren't giving AJ Styles a full push
Feb 01st 2016
100
RE: Well, can't say they aren't giving AJ Styles a full push
Feb 01st 2016
101
I was on the fence until the crowd erupted in AJ chants
Feb 02nd 2016
102
Sasha finally getting some shine
Feb 02nd 2016
105
Sasha vs Charlotte vs Becky at Mania is gonna be great
Feb 02nd 2016
107
They broke up my team of sexiness
Feb 02nd 2016
109
      If I never have to hear "UNITY!!!" again
Feb 02nd 2016
110
           ^^^^^^^
Feb 02nd 2016
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This Wrestlemania is gonna suck.
Feb 02nd 2016
115
we don't know that they aren't.
Feb 02nd 2016
116
WM always has a way of working out OK
Feb 02nd 2016
117
agreed. the rumble set up some potentially great feuds.
Feb 02nd 2016
118
      There is no good taker match anymore
Feb 02nd 2016
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           They're strongly discussing Taker vs Strowman for Mania...
Feb 03rd 2016
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                I don't believe that's anything but internet rumors
Feb 03rd 2016
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                My hope is it's just WWE feeding bullshit to the dirtsheets
Feb 03rd 2016
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                     Mania's biggest issue will be NXT blowing it away again
Feb 03rd 2016
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                As much as I like the Strowman character...
Feb 03rd 2016
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                LOL, throwback to Taker's early years?
Feb 03rd 2016
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It has been a while
Feb 03rd 2016
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      If this is what happens...
Feb 03rd 2016
125
Kurt Angle
Feb 03rd 2016
127
not a chance in hell angle can be cleared for WWE
Feb 04th 2016
129
RE: Kurt Angle
Feb 04th 2016
135
Are we watching Lucha Underground?
Feb 04th 2016
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RE: Are we watching Lucha Underground?
Feb 04th 2016
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Hey, as long as everyone gets on board at some point
Feb 04th 2016
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i hate i never get to watch it live.
Feb 04th 2016
133
I'mguessing it doesn't air on FIOS
Feb 04th 2016
134
i know they always put the main event of the week on youtube
Feb 04th 2016
136
thx
Feb 05th 2016
148
its supposed to be on iTunes soon for a legal route
Feb 04th 2016
137
They need to get it over to Netflix/Amazon NOW
Feb 05th 2016
138
      they were talking to Netflix a while ago
Feb 05th 2016
141
it's sort of a pain in the ass to watch. No On Demand???
Feb 05th 2016
139
      all of you may have it on a spanish channel btw.
Feb 05th 2016
140
      WatchWrestling on a Thursday is your friend.
Feb 05th 2016
144
R.I.P. Axl Rotten
Feb 05th 2016
142
Sad, but perhaps unsurprising.
Feb 05th 2016
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Dave Mirra and Axl Rotten dead and Bret Hart with cancer
Feb 05th 2016
145
I know it's morbid but I was surprised he was still alive
Feb 05th 2016
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      He was apparently in bad shape for a while
Feb 05th 2016
147
Pentagon Jr vs Puma is gooooooold.
Feb 06th 2016
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RE: Pentagon Jr vs Puma is gooooooold.
Feb 06th 2016
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      Yeah I've always looked at it like a superhero universe
Feb 06th 2016
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           Mortal Kombat is definitely a big influence.
Feb 08th 2016
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Rumor is that the YES! Movement will officially end tonight
Feb 08th 2016
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KEEPING HOPE THAT KAYFABE IS ALIVE BAYBAY
Feb 08th 2016
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I hope he kayfabing too
Feb 08th 2016
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I feel like this is a Pre- Mania Work
Feb 08th 2016
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RE: I feel like this is a Pre- Mania Work
Feb 08th 2016
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      Its on ESPNs crawl......
Feb 08th 2016
158
What a major drag.
Feb 08th 2016
159
RE: QBert symbols;, Yosimite Sam
Feb 08th 2016
160
man this retirement shit feel like the wrestling gods fuckin with us
Feb 08th 2016
161
Bryan and Punk make for a fascinating contrast
Feb 08th 2016
162
Ass backwards take
Feb 09th 2016
163
You're 100% correct and barely scratching the surface.
Feb 09th 2016
165
This is just false
Feb 09th 2016
168
Honest question: How closely do you actually follow pro wrestling
Feb 09th 2016
164
      Ok, a few layers to this
Feb 09th 2016
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           I don't see the condescension or the insults.
Feb 09th 2016
169
If you were a kid you'd be so excited for Roman to win at Mania
Feb 09th 2016
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even kids aren't as crazy about him as they were about Cena though n/m
Feb 09th 2016
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      Not yet, but Cena's empire wasn't built in a year
Feb 09th 2016
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           true, but Roman was protected specifically because they thought
Feb 10th 2016
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Really sad to hear the news...
Feb 10th 2016
177
the details of dbry's injuries are quite alarming
Feb 10th 2016
172
Coach is the entire reason espn is covering wwe
Feb 10th 2016
173
Titus Suspended for 90 days (report)
Feb 10th 2016
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Oh dear...
Feb 10th 2016
176
I thought to myself "Do they have that kind of relationship?"
Feb 10th 2016
178
So much for Black history month
Feb 10th 2016
So much for Black history month
Feb 10th 2016
181
something going through my head last few days:
Feb 10th 2016
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RE: something going through my head last few days:
Feb 10th 2016
180
yep
Feb 15th 2016
186
Back surgery for Punk, UFC debut pushed back again
Feb 10th 2016
182
Hes 37, maybe this isn't gonna work
Feb 10th 2016
183
Ryback letting it burn slow
Feb 10th 2016
185
Did Bryan suffer a seizure in his last match?
Feb 10th 2016
184
Yikes
Feb 15th 2016
187
shit
Feb 15th 2016
188
Brie Bella retiring / Wade Barrett chuckin the deuces to the WWE
Feb 16th 2016
189
Man, if Wade's shoulder wasn't made of papier-mache . . .
Feb 17th 2016
196
Barrett should've had a title run.
Feb 19th 2016
200
Cena bout to make another recovery in record time too (lol)
Feb 16th 2016
190
Say what you want about SuperCena and LOLCENAWINS
Feb 17th 2016
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I don't think there are many people who actually hate Cena himself
Feb 17th 2016
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      Yes but Real Life Cena is why Kayfabe Super Cena exists
Feb 17th 2016
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      I can't take credit for this idea, but I read this a few years ago:
Feb 17th 2016
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           He would have been over in any era
Feb 17th 2016
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           yeah the rapper gimmick probably woulda worked in the attitude era
Feb 17th 2016
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           orton's lack of charisma certainly would've handicapped him
Feb 17th 2016
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                Nah I think his vicious streak and size would have closed the gap
Feb 24th 2016
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His elbow was the size of a basketball and he was back in like 2 months
Feb 17th 2016
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Fastlane predictions?
Feb 19th 2016
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I have to say, they've made this triple threat very interesting
Feb 19th 2016
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      RE: I have to say, they've made this triple threat very interesting
Feb 19th 2016
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      I'm the least biggest fan of low blows
Feb 19th 2016
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           Exactly...
Feb 19th 2016
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                they JUST set up this hodgepodge tag match, why isn't that on it?
Feb 19th 2016
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      Pretty sure they are just doing the same thing as last year
Feb 19th 2016
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"Y2J" is a play off of "Y2K" which was a late-90s fear...
Feb 21st 2016
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also, this match is falling apart.
Feb 21st 2016
209
I'm enjoying his feud with Styles a lot
Feb 21st 2016
211
cringe-inducing New Day/Edge and Christian segment
Feb 21st 2016
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And then they did a cool-down match AFTER that
Feb 21st 2016
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I was looking forward to it but you're right, it wasn't good.
Feb 22nd 2016
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      RE: I was looking forward to it but you're right, it wasn't good.
Feb 22nd 2016
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man are they hellbent on Reigns or what. Sheesh.
Feb 21st 2016
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Caldwell from PWTorch:
Feb 21st 2016
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RE: man are they hellbent on Reigns or what. Sheesh.
Feb 22nd 2016
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      WWE are painted in a corner again...
Feb 22nd 2016
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           RE: WWE are painted in a corner again...
Feb 22nd 2016
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Has the Wyatt Family ever won a match?
Feb 22nd 2016
220
Remember when they had amazing Trios matches with The Shield?
Feb 22nd 2016
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I remember *an* amazing Trios match with The Shield.
Feb 22nd 2016
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      I feel like they had a Raw match months later
Feb 22nd 2016
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In fairness, they destroyed Dudleyz, Dreamer & Rhyno
Feb 22nd 2016
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Nakamura lands in WWE (link)
Feb 22nd 2016
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I don't seem him translating well at allllll on the main roster
Feb 22nd 2016
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also, if this is true, Mania is saved (link)
Feb 22nd 2016
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RE: also, if this is true, Mania is saved (link)
Feb 22nd 2016
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Mania will be fine, even if the main event isnt
Feb 22nd 2016
230
Ambrose vs Lesnar in a street fight definitely has potential.
Feb 23rd 2016
252
Brock dominating yet another guy to a ridiculous degree will save Mania?
Feb 22nd 2016
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      yea, I just think it would be entertaining...
Feb 22nd 2016
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      Cool. I think the way they book him is an overall detriment.
Feb 22nd 2016
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      Cool. I think the way they book him is an overall detriment.
Feb 22nd 2016
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      The Lesnar problem is directly correlated to the Roman problem
Feb 22nd 2016
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           If they turned Reigns heel
Feb 22nd 2016
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           False. It correlates directly to Vince’s refusal to change course.
Feb 23rd 2016
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                Well, yeah, but in general right now the iteration of the "Vince problem...
Feb 24th 2016
303
                     Agreed. I just think that distinction has a difference in this case
Feb 24th 2016
309
http://i.imgur.com/H2AdIs8.gif
Feb 22nd 2016
229
Holy shit that is the biggest surprise in years
Feb 22nd 2016
237
I so rarely watch this shit live
Feb 22nd 2016
238
The dude on Reddit showed up tonight after 8 months away
Feb 22nd 2016
240
I asked for it at the Rumble...
Feb 22nd 2016
244
I never thought he was coming back
Feb 23rd 2016
255
my god @ the crowd reaction.
Feb 22nd 2016
239
Why? Dude is money on the mic and takes insane risks in the ring.
Feb 23rd 2016
258
Shane vs Taker at Mania in HIAC. Damn sure aint see that coming!
Feb 22nd 2016
241
LOL this match is cracking me up
Feb 22nd 2016
242
it's interesting. It's more interesting than any Wyatt v Taker
Feb 22nd 2016
245
did Vince say "fuck" ???
Feb 22nd 2016
243
Damn doggs this show is lit af
Feb 22nd 2016
246
I just looked at my clock and saw it was 9:30 already
Feb 22nd 2016
247
      aaaaaand right on cue they book Sheamus v Reigns
Feb 22nd 2016
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Edit: Reigns got color, and it looks like on purpose
Feb 22nd 2016
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it was a fake blood packet
Feb 23rd 2016
264
triple h just ANNIHILATED reigns...to raucous applause.
Feb 22nd 2016
250
yup, let HHH win and face authority figure shane end his reign
Feb 22nd 2016
251
The only way HHH could get booed at this point is to be nice to Roman
Feb 23rd 2016
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lol
Feb 23rd 2016
256
I was thinking about ways they could book the ending to please the crowd
Feb 23rd 2016
257
That was the best Raw in forever
Feb 23rd 2016
254
I watched a lot of smoke, mirrors, crutches, and props.
Feb 23rd 2016
260
OMG. EXCITING! ANOTHER MCMAHON! YES! YES! YES!
Feb 23rd 2016
259
What do you honestly want them to do?
Feb 23rd 2016
265
Maybe I'm not creative enough to book Brock a different way
Feb 23rd 2016
266
What does Big Show have to do with this?
Feb 23rd 2016
271
Agreed, the pessimists need to take a breath here
Feb 23rd 2016
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      this is the biggest spot for Ambrose other than the title match
Feb 23rd 2016
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      i have to admit it's weird from a ticket sales standpoint
Feb 23rd 2016
270
      Pessimists? No. Realists.
Feb 23rd 2016
272
           lol this dude said nakamura
Feb 23rd 2016
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           Yep. That's a fantastic choice. The best available, actually.
Feb 23rd 2016
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                WM is for the casual 1 time a year fan, not for IWC darlings
Feb 23rd 2016
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                Nakamura wouldn't preclude WWE from adding celebrities
Feb 23rd 2016
284
                     You are doing all the things you say you aren't
Feb 24th 2016
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                          I answered a question that you asked.
Feb 24th 2016
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                          Correction: a question pretentious username asked
Feb 24th 2016
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                http://www.kayfabenews.com/guy-never-seen-shinsuke-nakamura-overjoyed-im...
Feb 23rd 2016
283
                     Cool story. Get at me when you have an actual perspective.
Feb 23rd 2016
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                          Shane is a good fit for Taker at this stage of the game
Feb 23rd 2016
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           RE: Pessimists? No. Realists.
Feb 24th 2016
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                RE: Pessimists? No. Realists.
Feb 24th 2016
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Right now..
Feb 23rd 2016
276
Official Wrestlemania theme song has been announced.
Feb 23rd 2016
262
garbage in, garbage out
Feb 23rd 2016
263
I fail to see how keeping Ambrose and Owens away from the title makes se...
Feb 23rd 2016
269
WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO DO?
Feb 23rd 2016
273
      Its not even like they HAVE a developmental league
Feb 23rd 2016
274
           It's not like Samoa Joe is available or something.
Feb 23rd 2016
279
                The taker storyline makes 0 sense
Feb 23rd 2016
281
                     I didn’t say I want them to book all these guys for Mania.
Feb 23rd 2016
282
                          They've tried for 2 years to get Roman over and...nothing
Feb 23rd 2016
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                               RE: They've tried for 2 years to get Roman over and...nothing
Feb 24th 2016
295
Every Shane-O-Mac match has been entertaining as fuck
Feb 23rd 2016
275
some of ya'll doin too much in here. It's wrestling dudes
Feb 23rd 2016
287
Show me one person who said he was. Or that it was on the table.
Feb 23rd 2016
289
      whew...
Feb 24th 2016
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           I think what he's saying is...
Feb 24th 2016
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                ^^^^^^^^^
Feb 24th 2016
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                     I don't even think our opinions on what would be good are different
Feb 24th 2016
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                          I think they can cram like a motherfucker from here til mania
Feb 24th 2016
306
                               Introducing Swagsuke to the audience isn't necessarily the problem.
Feb 26th 2016
313
Reigns turns heel at Wrestlemania??
Feb 24th 2016
297
As far as closing the show with a heel winner, The Miz at 27
Feb 24th 2016
298
he'd likely be cheered if he turned
Feb 24th 2016
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      Yeah keep stacking the deck against him with cards that we like
Feb 24th 2016
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           Maybe The Rock hits RR with the Rock bottom...
Feb 24th 2016
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                I really hope they save a heel turn for waaay down the line
Feb 24th 2016
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                     All that sounds great.....if he wasn't main eventing Wrestlemania
Feb 24th 2016
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                          Can you explain what that has to do with anything I wrote?
Feb 24th 2016
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                               Sorry, didn't mean to make light of your plan...
Feb 26th 2016
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                                    I hear you, but that's sort my problem with the product overall
Feb 27th 2016
338
Anyone catch Steve Austin's podcasts this week?
Feb 26th 2016
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just listened
Feb 26th 2016
326
      The Ziggler comments really threw me...
Feb 28th 2016
356
           It's amazing that they just put him in Reigns spot and didn't rewrite it
Feb 28th 2016
357
I'm 90% positive you guys have never watched Nakamura
Feb 26th 2016
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lol, literally NO ONE is shitting on him
Feb 26th 2016
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Did I say you were shitting on him? Nope.
Feb 26th 2016
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      fair enough, but does Indy Darling have to do with style?
Feb 26th 2016
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           I'm not looking for a fight. I'm passionate. I love this shit. It's a di...
Feb 26th 2016
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                Leave it to an argument in a post about pro wrestling
Feb 26th 2016
328
Brock is the match...
Feb 26th 2016
316
Oh yeah. I was hoping for maybe a post-Raw interaction.
Feb 26th 2016
321
This shit doesn't translate to "bad ass who can beat Taker" to WWE Unive...
Feb 26th 2016
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      HE SPEAKS ENGLISH!!!!!
Feb 26th 2016
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           do you think you're the only one in here with an NJPW World subscription...
Feb 26th 2016
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                NAH. NOPE. No. Nada. Not gonna fly here. I didn't open this door.
Feb 26th 2016
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                     I hope you're right and he reaches his potential in WWE
Feb 26th 2016
323
I hate this post. I hate it.
Feb 26th 2016
329
Every discussion in here is about wrestling, presumably by wrestling fan...
Feb 26th 2016
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Its a conversation about pro wrestling.
Feb 26th 2016
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LOL jeebus. Cry about it why don't you.
Feb 26th 2016
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Yep.
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Gee fellas, i sure hope this turns out to be a swell show!
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I know the type of dude you are
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      Exhibit A:
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      I expressed differing opinions. That bothered you.
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      So says the inarticulate buffoon
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           Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, but you're a certain "fake smart" type of dude
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                Youve said more about me than youve said about wrestling all week.
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                But… Lance Storm IS underrated and CZW IS a tire fire.
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Obligatory "Smackdown is getting good!" post.
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HHH had a great promo on Reigns...
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Soooo that Catrina vs Pentagon scene this week
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Muertes is gonna maul the guy. n/m
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      Yeah pentagon was rethinking that Cero Miedo
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           Hey I know this has already been asked
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                It's always uploaded on Dailymotion and/or popular wrestling stream site...
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Finn Balor teasing Bullet Club (Karl Anderson and Festus) Monday
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Is there an NXT show or taping somewhere on Monday?
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Nah I don't think so, could just be trolling though
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      that would be a hell of a Mania program vs the Wyatts
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      damn that would be kind of a dick move if that's all it is.
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      he keeps teasing people with BC pictures
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Cena teasing Bullet Club?
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an opening 20-minute promo featuring triple h
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Stephanie is Going. The. Fuck. In.
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      Yeah that was a GREAT promo. She's still the best heel in the company.
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OK, I'll say it...The Undertaker is tired
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The worst is there are people who STILL want a Taker/Sting match
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Do you not think you're being a tiny bit harsh?
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      That goose has cooked, ship has sailed, name your cliche,
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Lucha Underground FINALLY on iTunes.
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More McMahon Mania. This shit is one big family jerk off session.
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It's funny Amborse and Reigns are getting the exact same booking
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I think Vince is looking a little exposed creatively.
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      Not trolling, agree with everything you said
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      You're 100% right re: Vince
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basically.
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      We all know Linda is coming to this party too, right?
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      Yea her political career is done, she'll be back
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           god help us if that happens
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           May as well have a real family orgy in the mania main event
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           Yeah, I don't think that line happens if Linda's not planning to be invo...
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      .
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Is Big Show genuinely getting the IC match at Mania?
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What a god damn waste
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I have a feeling the US title will be prize in the ladder match spot fes...
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seriously, that's an Extreme Rules-level feud at best.
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Hmm. Disappointed in the Undertaker/Vince exchange.
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I was joking that mania his basically his own personal purge
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Ya that's basically it
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they should just go &quot;real life&quot; here....Taker is a WWE guy thr...
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      that's really where I thought we were headed
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      Yep, this.
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vince russo on austin's podcast yesterday
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bro, listen, thanks for linking me to this, bro
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lol
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The biggest point Russo made that I've felt for a while
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      It's the over-reliance on 50/50 IMO
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      what's the hottest feud right now? Dean and Brock. Why?
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      It's also why Brock as champ felt special
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           I get that you want the champ on every show
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                The end of Cena's US Title reign baffles me.
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                     RE: The end of Cena's US Title reign baffles me.
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                          that'd be a great idea
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      RE: It's the over-reliance on 50/50 IMO
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      Hitman vs Austin is my favourite feud of all time...
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THE DEBUT: "Network Nuggets", March 2016
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The Rock vs Eddie Guerrero, Raw, 7/22/02
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great idea. will get back to this. n/m
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theres a tag match with Rock vs Eddie at some point.
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I've been reliving Shane O' Mac matches
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that KOR glass window spot is sooooo stupid
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I just re-watched this one...
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      Yep, all this.
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RE: Sign me up...
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austin vs. michaels, king of the ring '97
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Hart Foundation are also front row for this match too right?
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ya know, they might've been
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yea this match rules
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RE: yea this match rules
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watched the full match again last night
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I completely forgot this match existed...
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I LOVE this idea. My pick: Hitman vs Bulldog, IYH 1995
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i'ma peep this one soon.
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      Davey could've been champ had his head been on straight...
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           The chapter on this match in Bret's book is great
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Something of a postjack, but not really
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Mr. Perfect vs. Doink, KOTR qualifier
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1. "anybody got a stream for this? i actually want to watch this."
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2. "WWE Network is almost always free for new folks..."
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and it is month-to-month so you can get in and get out if I understand it right.

  

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3. "My prediction: Triple H enters at 31 and wins. "
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4. "I have no idea what's going on the last couple months."
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But I'm watching.

  

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6. "Roman Reigns. "
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There. You're caught up.

  

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7. "Ha. Thanks."
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5. "jojooooooooo "
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goddamn she lookin good tonight.

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8. "this match need some blood. it's cool so far"
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but the blood sells a last man standing match.

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10. "There are way too many "extreme" matches given how watered down the prod..."
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9. "Indy Brawl goodness..."
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Jeans and Steen took the show early. Good stuff.

Jimaveli

>Royal Rumble tonight. Who ya got? I can't even pretend I care
>about the rest of the card. I'll have this on one TV and
>Zona/Carolina on the other in the cave.
>
>There's no way the kid walks out of this as the champ. No way.
>The cheating is gonna jump off. That or we get the Ambrose
>turn way too late.
>
>If I had the book, I give it to Taker since he was in-line to
>main event vs Cena anyway. Of course, he'd show up as late as
>possible once the heels are closing in on Reigns.
>
>I assume we get HHH showing up and winning via shenanigans.
>And then, Reigns has to 'earn his Mania title shot' in some
>sort of shady situation at Fast Lane.
>
>I want to see Taker somehow though. That showing up on March
>8th, rolling his eyes, and telling someone to rest in peace to
>set up a match shit is lame for what could/should be his last
>Mania.
>
>I don't think we see AJ unless he takes HHH's place in the #30
>or #31 shenanigans.

  

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11. "What's Orton's status??"
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12. "Needed neck surgery after recording from shoulder. Out 6ish months as of..."
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13. "RE: What's Orton's status??"
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He's the original shoulder injury guy. His is recurring. He's allegedly better than some folks think but I don't see him showing up for a while.

  

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14. "i hate to say this but i think i'd like to see Super Reigns tonight"
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think it'd be pretty badass to see the first guy win it.

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15. "AJ theme lit as fuck."
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16. "Wow man Titus O'Neil really sucks"
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33. "most cringeworthy moveset on the roster"
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and that roster includes ryback.

  

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17. "just gotta 80s it up man. "
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18. "Makes no sense kayfabe wise to not throw Roman in the ring "
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so he can get eliminated. Now we get the big "OMG it's Roman I can't believe he's back!" call from Maggle later.

  

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19. "it's almost heel-like in a way too to not have to fight through the matc..."
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Just come out at the end ? Lame

  

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20. "Yeah, fake an injury, go to the back, come back at the very end. "
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21. "they're gonna waste Lesnar at Mania with some Wyatt program "
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Some shit no one cares about

  

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22. "This is what happens when all your stars are hurt "
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24. "Gotta disagree, I'm glad Wyatt is finally getting a meaningful feud agai..."
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They can make Bray into a star if they don't fuck it up. And, like you referenced, they need more stars.

  

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23. "Reigns not even selling, what is this garbage"
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25. "Wrestling psychology doesn't come with Samoan genes "
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26. "looks real bad with KO walking out like a dead man on his entry"
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31. "KO is a professional wreslter, Reigns is a sports entertainer"
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27. "Triple H is your champion in 2016. "
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You know what's really funny man? These guys are so proud of themselves that while WCW was running Hogan and Flair into the ground, WWF was pushing new stars like Austin, Rock, and, oh, Triple H.

  

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28. "Weird."
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They could have just put it on Ambrose, but whatever.

  

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29. "coulda blew ambrose star up but WWE gonna WWE. smh."
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30. "yep..."
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they even could've screwed him out of it in a few weeks and we would be fine to have a title change. HHH and Rock as champs in the last few years...

  

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32. "This is fantastic booking guys."
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I have very few questions about Wrestlemania plans, and that's the whole point of the Rumble. This is the best way they could've gone with it when they were very limited by injuries.

Aitch has trusted heel after heel to keep Reigns down. Eventually, they all failed him and now he has to take it into his own hands. I don't even care how sorta predictable it was. The whole way through they told good stories and set up interesting Wrestlemania matches. We thought that was nearly impossible a few hours ago.

2nd best Rumble of all-time.

  

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34. "can't tell if serious. "
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35. "absolutely I am."
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Aitch is probably putting on the best matches of his career since he became a part-timer. He and Reigns have been setting up this story for a long time and the match will be a brawl. What is there to hate about this? All the other WM storylines were sorted out in the process. I don't care that Reigns will win and I'm 100% sure of it. Wrestlemania is a facefest. It's often predictable. Predictable doesn't mean bad.

edit: also I don't subscribe to the idea that Ambrose comes out looking bad. He was in there for a while and was defeated by a guy who's still a monster and was fresh. He also beat KO in a last man standing match that he specifically asked for earlier.

  

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36. "he is right, this makes sense storytelling wise"
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It's a gift and a curse being an adult fan of wrestling. When they are doing things right they are following a story ark that makes sense and that means things are a bit predictable and you can see where things are going, maybe with a few surprises here and there. It's been the same since we were kids, we just still believed it was real and anything could happen, and maybe didn't truly understand long storytelling like we do now.

They could have swerved us, but what's the point? To swerve us for the hell of it? This was a predictable finish, but it's where the story needs to go. Reigns goes over HHH at Mania and we move on.

It's been set in stone since Rollins go injured. WrestleMania's main event this year is a storyline that's been building for months (nearly two years really when you think back to Evolution v. Shield) and it will all culminate at the biggest show of the year.

The only way they could have done it better is if Reigns was still champ, overcame the odds and won the Rumble (with no HHH in it) and HHH finally decides to take matters into his own hands. If he can't find a guy to beat Roman on his entire roster he's going to do it himself. And somewhere along the line the stipulation is made that Roman will defend his title but if HHH loses the Authority loses power. HHH puts Reigns over, we finally close out the Authority angle that's been going on for a year and a half too long and we start the next chapter in WWE.

  

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37. "Been a fan 20+ years, just don't remember it being so phoned in"
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40. "Royal Rumble 1998"
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C'mon, as an adult looking back is there anyone BUT Stone Cold winning that Rumble?

  

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71. "Yep, if you did that today Smarks would probably boo Austin."
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They did the right thing by teasing the same Roman performance all the way along but not going through with the win. The collective Smark sigh of relief when Roman got dumped out was palpable and everyone in the arena smark or mark was starting to cling to the possibility of Ambrose hitting the big time only to give it to the one person in the ring guaranteed to piss most people off.

Good heel booking in a tight situation.

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41. "they needed matches they could sell at Wrestlemania "
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with a severely depleted roster. they brought in NXT and AJ Styles to help out and they filled up the card with matches everyone wants to see. You might not be into Reighs vs. Aitch, but they needed something that would sell tickets and this is the closest they have short of Rocky coming back. There's a lot of meat on the bone with 2 years of setup. The rest of the card is a smark's dream. You can even watch that and then turn it off at 10:15 if you hate Hunter.

the reigns injury thing was corny, but mostly because we thought he was gonna win. they saved themselves on that. rusev losing fast is also lame, but if I come out with only one minor complaint the rumble is a huge success.

edit: say what you will about aitch, but this isn't his usual burial move. it's more to put over a young guy later on. he's also a believable champ in an age where most of their believable guys are injured. partially their fault for not building up others, but this is a quick fix. he can even put over guys like ambrose after reigns is done with him. i mean why not?

  

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38. "pass me whatever you're drinking."
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58. "RE: The booking is fine..."
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BUT

HHH looked a bit strong for a heel who got the jump on the faces by 'surprisingly' showing up at 30 after being nowhere for weeks. If he would've shown up and got a few shady elimations, we're fine. Instead, he shows up, punks a gang of folks and goes over pretty clean over a longish period of time without much overtly heelish help. And the crowd reaction got too good to him and he dropped a chop on Reigns after throwing him out.

The aftermath is the key of course. We'll see.

Besides that, this was a really good show.

Sasha twisting up Charlotte's shit made me smile.

AJ styles looked grand in his debut. If he gets lined up with Owens, grand wrestling will ensue and WWE's mid card will be the main within 2 years. And that's when the nerd overload will happen and we'll land in another golden age as it relates to in-ring stuff.

>I have very few questions about Wrestlemania plans, and
>that's the whole point of the Rumble. This is the best way
>they could've gone with it when they were very limited by
>injuries.
>
>Aitch has trusted heel after heel to keep Reigns down.
>Eventually, they all failed him and now he has to take it into
>his own hands. I don't even care how sorta predictable it was.
>The whole way through they told good stories and set up
>interesting Wrestlemania matches. We thought that was nearly
>impossible a few hours ago.
>
>2nd best Rumble of all-time.

  

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59. "I agree the HHH showing was strange"
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It would have made way more sense for him to come out to 2 or 3 guys left in the ring who were beaten down with nothing left and just cheaply tossed them out.

It was strange that he showed up, got into a bunch of battles, lasted a while and then had some clean eliminations.

I suppose the argument would be that if he is going to win the strap and main event wrestlemania that he has to look somewhat strong and worthy and not like some old man who snuck his way to the title, but it was kind of classic HHH to make sure he looked so good.

I think the crotch chop was probably raw emotion out of him to just be that excited to be in the moment about to win another Rumble.

  

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60. "normally i'd agree, but i think it fits the story they're telling."
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this was hunter taking things into his own hands after a bunch of guys have failed to keep the authority on top. he wanted to do it himself this time. no more tomfoolery. no more voices in my head. no more unreliable irish hosses. no more flippy athletic guys we have to keep an entourage around. not to say this is the end of cheating for them, but this was the feeling they were going for with hunter's entrance. if aitch can't keep this guy down then they gotta give it to him (hoping this is the end of the authority storyline).

  

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39. "Sasha though... http://imgur.com/a/4DTLz"
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http://imgur.com/a/4DTLz

  

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45. "<<<< VERY loyal to Team B.A.D."
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Yep, Tamina's big @ss too

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42. "Watching the replay-no idea why Ambrose is over"
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Dude has the worst moveset. Even worse than Titus. And he's slow as fuck for a bigger skinny guy
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43. "you're not alone. He's not good."
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He's constantly pretending to be nuts which personally I just hate. And he wrestles in jeans, which I also can't stand.

  

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44. "I thought it was just me..."
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he is very pedestrian IMO, but to most he's great...his character, his skills, all "regular" at best.

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57. "They are holding Ambrose back"
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He really has almost everything Rollins has but is a notch below him in the ring.

They don't really know what they want him to be you can tell. Originally they were like act like Stone Cold, but now are kind of just like hey go act crazy but don't do anything crazy.

He can go toe to toe with nearly anyone on the mic. In the ring they are doing to him what they do to too many people and restricting him to like the same 3 or 4 moves that he does 5 times a match. I think part of the issue is when most of your matches are less than 10 minutes long you have to work all your signature moves in and don't have time for more.

He has what it takes to be at the top, but like too many people is being handcuffed a bit.

  

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65. "ManI don't know what happened. He was very good when he was in"
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The Shield. Like Roman was the bruiser and Seth was the high flyer but this guy was actually mat wrestling. *shrug* who knows.

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46. "I thought the PPV overall was excellent"
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KO vs Ambrose was a great match, had lots of my friends who only watch at Rumble and Mania into it.

Tag match was ok, but New Day is always fun to watch, again really entertained my casual friends

US Title match was good, Kalisto and Del Rio work well together, I hope they use Kalisto well.

Womens match wasn't as good as the 2 would have done on NXT given more time, but was still better than your typical divas match we've gotten used to. Also setting up Charlotte vs Sasha at WM is exciting.

I think the Rumble was booked well too, really wasn't anyone else who could win and main event Mania with Roman other than Brock and then you'd be left with a mania where the crowd was booing Roman at the end, at least they will cheer him beating HHH (is the hope at least)

To the question of why didn't Roman come in 2nd which I've seen raised places, I think again it's because then you'd have the crowd cheering against Roman just to be smarky, having HHH beat Ambrose left him getting booed like they wanted.

I think the use of lots of guys in the Rumble was great, AJ with a great debut, setting up KO vs Sammi at WM possibly. We all knew Wyatts vs Brock would happen and it did.

Given the situation they were in I think they did the absolute best they could do in reality. All our dream scenarios like KO or Wyatt winning the belt and going to Mania were never really possibilities.

  

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47. "It's just funny that WWE doesn't see how little Reigns will draw as cham..."
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The guy can't get over. Nobody cares about him and he can't really work. He's going to have a worse run as champ than Shawn had. If he's lucky he'll be Del Rio a year from now
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51. "He draws, there is a difference between Raw crowds and PPV crowds"
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At Raw he is super over. He got a huge pop when he won the belt in Philly which is the same place he got booed out of the arena a year ago.

It again comes down to the issue of people our age are not the target market. Reigns is by far their biggest star outside of Cena in their target market, we just don't realize it when watching a PPV crowd boo him.

I also think at Mania he will get cheered when he beats HHH which is their ultimate goal.

  

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53. "Have you ever seen any of his merch in the crowd?"
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He may be over with kids, but if he stays boring and predictable people will tune out. The ratings are shit in part because of his chase for the title
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54. "Sales numbers in October look good for him"
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This is the most recent thing I can find, but it covers the Summer and fall of 15

He was #2 at live events and #3 in online sales. I think he is more over than the internet gives him credit for.

Top merchandise sellers for WWE in the late summer/early fall at live events, in order, includes John Cena, Roman Reigns, The Usos, The Wyatt Family, Brock Lesnar, Sting, Sheamus, Daniel Bryan, Dean Ambrose and Hulk Hogan. Cena’s merchandise sales were described as “greatly outdistancing everyone else” when fully broken down.

For orders through WWE Shop, the top 10 best sellers were Cena, Ambrose, Reigns, Lesnar, Steve Austin, AJ Lee, Bryan, Brie Bella, Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior.

  

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55. "it's not Reigns' fault. "
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They make him do shit he just shouldn't do - wrestle clinics, cut 10 minute promos, wear ice blue contacts (wtf?)

I think he dropped the contacts.

He's so close to being Batista but unlike Batista, they've yet to realize Reigns' shortcomings and go with a strategy that better accentuates his skillset.

  

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49. "thank you, people are conflating predictable with bad"
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it was the most obvious swerve but that's because it makes the most sense. people will actually cheer for reigns over hunter and they did some masterful booking throughout to set up other great mania feuds. this wasn't going to end with some smarky favorite when they're trying to do everything they can to sell out dallas.

i see a lot of people saying ambrose should have gone over, but he's coming off of an IC win in a brutal match and he stayed in the rumble for a while. he shouldn't beat a fresh triple h. as currently constructed he has no business in the mania main event without both reigns and rollins anyway. they're trying to set an attendance record and there's no way dean helps them.

  

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52. "Ambrose is the definition of going over without winning"
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People forget in wrestling you can still get a huge rub without winning the match.

Ambrose is one of the overall winners of the night between his big win over KO and his great showing in the Rumble. Probably in a similar spot to where Reigns was 2 years ago when Batista beat him in the rumble but Reigns was the star of the night.

  

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56. "what would've been fun:"
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is if Triple H makes a deal with Ambrose right there on the spot and eliminates himself, in turn awarding Ambrose the title.

  

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61. "That's what I thought was gonna happen"
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Me and my friend looked at each other and were thinking he is about to pit Ambrose and Reigns against each other

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62. "I was convinced him or Roman was about to turn heel"
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Either Ambrose striking a deal with HHH or Roman come in and toss Ambrose out then HHH just stepping out.

But that would have meant not being predictable.

  

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66. "yep. i started running a mental clock on seth recovery timeline"
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to see if it'd be possible to do a Shield title 3 way at mania.

then HHH happened.

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48. "I really enjoyed it..."
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The matches before the Rumble were excellent. I marked out when Sasha turned up - I think she's officially my favourite name in wrestling right now (including the dudes). Completely fell for her from the two big matches with Bayley.

I think it's disastrous booking when you take Reigns out of the situation for like 20 minutes. I guess they didn't want him involved with the Lesnar/Wyatts battle but it comes off like they gave him a rest. Cole said Jericho rocked like 50+ minutes so how does he do MORE time than the guy who drew #1?! Bad call.

Truth was excellent - I loved the ladder skit.

For like a split second, I thought Ambrose might take it but HHH ain't coming back to put him over so figured he wouldn't in the end.

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50. "officially speaking Reigns lasted longer than Y2J"
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i agree it's weird though

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63. "I hope this RAW gets better realfast,. cause"
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this blows

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64. "Possibly the worst 10 minutes in Raw history"
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Between the segment and the match we had to watch after

  

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67. "rocky was buzzing lmao."
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i don't think i've ever seen him that hype.

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68. "idk how vince and co can watch that segment and not turn everybody loose"
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i mean shit we just watched the new day put in a respectable effort on the mic vs the fucking rock.

fuck a script man. just give em a start point, end point and a set amount of time and let everybody go ham. i know the roster aint as charisma lacking as they come off/

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69. "He's playing the old Hollywood Vince game."
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Good to see that, though.

  

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73. "realest shit you ever wrote"
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Rock is obviously an outlier when it comes to charisma. But still, take the cuffs of these guys man.

  

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77. "boy did that take forever"
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it begs the question... what exactly is Rock doing for Wrestlemania? Is he working the ticket booth? He cares more about these attendance numbers than Vince.

  

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70. "Wha?! Why would they put Reigns in a contenders match?"
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They work a month to take the title from him and then reinsert him in the title picture the very next night. Makes no sense to me.

The Fastlane match should be good though.

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72. "RE: Wha?! Why would they put Reigns in a contenders match?"
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>They work a month to take the title from him and then
>reinsert him in the title picture the very next night. Makes
>no sense to me.
>
>The Fastlane match should be good though.

Maybe we think too much but something's wrooooong.

They're trying to sell it like they are punishing him with tough situations. The problem is that no one buys that Reigns is at a level where the Authority can't afford to just fire him. That's what Cena, Austin, and Rock had...they were big stars that the heel authority fighure(s) 'needed' for business.

This is also another case where Daniel Bryan screws them. They would just leave him out of stuff. Then the fans would react. Then they'd act like he didn't deserve to be in anything. Then, he'd somehow hold them hostage and 'force' his way in. Then he'd do the wwe 'overcome the odds' thing but folks would love it.

With Reigns, they treat him like they'd love for him to be the guy, but he won't heel it up. But they keep giving him chances to win without being a heel.

Putting him vs Ambrose again isn't a huge emotional struggle cuz they'll just wrestle. If he doesn't have to pin Brock, then that challenge is reduced too. It's just off unless he turns heel to wrestle the company's top heel. Wha!?

  

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74. "Yup, having to fight his friend and Brock is a punishment"
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They act like he has 0 chance of winning and it's just a match so he will get beatup

  

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78. "The D-Bry story is probably the best gimmick WWE ever had..."
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Leaving him off stuff is genuinely the best way to punish him but sadly again Reigns isn't that over for fans to respond to that decision.

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75. "right. there's a lot of ways to book it creatively."
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they took the easiest and most nonsensical route. Same as the Survivor Series tourney. Reigns had just as fair a shot as everyone yet it was STILL sold as the Authority screwing with him.

  

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76. "I didn't watch the last hour, why doesn't he just use his rematch clause"
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He technically doesn't have to fight a match to earn a shot at the title.

  

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79. "Massive NXT Dallas spoiler"
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Shinsuke Nakamura will make his debut against Sami Zayn.

Goddamn that's gonna be incredible.

  

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80. "I'm gonna be there, the card looks great so far"
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81. "Anyone watch LU last night?"
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Incredible first episode of the season. I've been hyping it up so much I was half-expecting a let-down, but they did not disappoint. They made everyone look great and set up awesome storylines all while using like 20% of the roster. Also I was worried the show might take a hit with Dario Cueto not on screen as much, but that doesn't look to be the case. To illustrate how good the writing is: I have no problem flipping on any episode in front of non-wrestling fans. When people walk in during Raw I am apologetic.

  

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83. "First episode I've watched in full, LOVE IT"
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I've seen scattered matches/segments but I've watched the "37 episodes in 37 minutes" video on YouTube as well as the Striker narrated overview and I am HOOKED. They managed to make every wrestler, winner and loser, look like a million bucks and I am already invested in several storylines right out of the gate.

Totally agree with your comment about not even being embarrassed to have this on in front of fans. In fact, I'm thinking about recommending this to a coworker who LOVES TV/film but doesn't watch wrestling. Great storytelling with an a whole season's worth of story arks and vision planned and executed.

  

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88. "RE: Hell yeah!"
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>Incredible first episode of the season. I've been hyping it
>up so much I was half-expecting a let-down, but they did not
>disappoint. They made everyone look great and set up awesome
>storylines all while using like 20% of the roster. Also I was
>worried the show might take a hit with Dario Cueto not on
>screen as much, but that doesn't look to be the case. To
>illustrate how good the writing is: I have no problem flipping
>on any episode in front of non-wrestling fans. When people
>walk in during Raw I am apologetic.

It's one hour so it is easier. They plan the whole thing out for seasons. And they got to have a break to work things out...so it is easier.

They've existed for 40-ish eps. So it is easier.

But good lawd...they do such a great job of 'basic wrestling stuff'. Meanwhile, wwe can't book their top face as a decent guy who can work. And they can't book their top bad guy as a shady dude who takes advantage of situations and wins via shadiness when the going gets tough. They struggle with that at one of their biggest shows. And then they still can't get it right the show after. Their heel champ is the face and their face is a doofus who keeps losing like a bitch but keeps getting shots for just about no good reason.

Meanwhile, mil muertes sits in the background on some streets of rage shit waiting to whoop someone's ass in his evil/shady temple. And his (gloriously hot) master presides over the whole thing. She prides herself on being shiesty to keep things under control but open enough to get the wrestlers on the scene so that Mil has folks to beat. And even vampire I had a storyline. Wha!? Really!? dope! I get to watch an efficient wrestling show and I don't have to ignore the main event picture like I'm watching bad Wcw.

  

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91. "Plus EVERY match means something"
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You can feel the importance of all of them. I routinely watch WWE matches between two wrestlers I LIKE and find myself not caring. There's just no stakes. And it's not like those stakes are difficult to set up. Everyone in LU is vying for a title or going after another wrestler for a REASON. You can see people moving up and down the pecking order. And when they move down they don't look like complete garbage and are built back up later. Pentagon and Cuerno, for example.

  

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93. "RE: Plus EVERY match means something"
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>You can feel the importance of all of them. I routinely watch
>WWE matches between two wrestlers I LIKE and find myself not
>caring. There's just no stakes. And it's not like those stakes
>are difficult to set up. Everyone in LU is vying for a title
>or going after another wrestler for a REASON. You can see
>people moving up and down the pecking order. And when they
>move down they don't look like complete garbage and are built
>back up later. Pentagon and Cuerno, for example.

Fo sho.

They have lots of time to plan and less time to fill. Still, they are embarrassing WWE with their execution and consistency. And they are dedicated to rolling with what they plan out. And there's clearly wrestling people on the scene who pretty much 'know' what is going to work, so they plan towards what works. WWE often struggles to execute basic things even when they have a solid plan or the 'right' folks.

WWE gets caught in 'we need to fill this time' traps all the time. They can't seem to understand that 'filling' the time doesn't mean that they aren't wasting it.

  

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94. "Theyre doubling down on what sets them apart from the competition"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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82. "Man I forgot how horrendous AJ is on the mic"
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He’s a poor man’s Jeff Jarrett on the mic. That’s saying something because Jarrett is awful, despite his delusions to the contrary.

I know the Wade Kellers of the world think that’s not a big deal. He thinks Vince won’t like it just because it’s a rural southern accent and that’s an immediate disqualifier but that’s not the problem at all. He’s just plain bad. The accent is some hillbilly shit and while I’m sure Vince has a strong bias against that sort of thing, AJ just plain can’t talk for shit. Even his facial expressions are comically bad, like a B movie actor in a drama who thinks he’s putting on an Oscar performance.

AJ is great in the ring but he’s nearly as unwatchable outside the ring as he is amazing inside the ring. He’s got a cool presence as far as his entrance but that song isn’t nearly as distinctive as it should be. It’s better than the generic garbage they saddled Cesaro and Rollins with but that’s not saying much.

I used to give him the benefit of the doubt as far as his personality in TNA because TNA can’t present people for shit but man was he bad. I was relieved when Jericho cut him off because a longer promo wouldn’t have done AJ any favors.

I suppose it’s not that big of an issue considering promos are a dying art these days. After Bray, Owens, Ambrose, and The New Day, most of the remaining roster ranges from trash to mediocre in the talking department (outside the Divas, who tend to do pretty well) unless you count guys like Orton and Cena, who are both very good (fuck y’all, lol. Orton is a good promo who is very good in certain moments) but they’re a little tired at this point.

Still, as much shit as Roman gets for his mediocre promos there’s absolutely no way anyone can defend AJ’s awful speaking. His work and work rate doesn’t change his shitty mic work and complete lack of development in that department. Reigns has developed better on his promos in three years than AJ has in the ten years or so that I’ve watched him.

Unless you really dig that deep south brand of wrasslin’ there’s just no defense of this. Then again, people still cite Lawler as an all timer despite doing little more than catering to lowest common denominator sensibilities in the cheapest and most antiquated ways imaginable…. But I digress. Styles is dope in the ring and trash on the mic.

  

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84. "See my thoughts from the last post"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2494502&mesg_id=2494502&listing_type=search#2507267

Because I always thought of him as the worst bits of Jarrett and WCW-era "Sugar" Shane Helms.

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85. "Yeah I think I gave TNA too much blame for AJ "
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We’ll see what he does and how he’s utilized but it’s shocking how little progress he’s made in the character/promo department. He’s unbelievably bad and frankly I think anyone who says otherwise is giving him a pass due to his in-ring work.

And I’m kinda shocked to see jimaveli call Jarrett a B- across the board. Jarrett as a character has always been really, really bad at best and as a worker he’s always been just a guy to me. He does absolutely nothing special and the things that stand out more than anything are his awful Flair-isms. Had he been a 1970’s wrassler in WCCW or mid south or whatever I’m sure he’d be well regarded, legendary, etc on some Lawler bullshit. I dunno but he’s terrible and has always been terrible. Frankly he’s overachieved in mystifying ways. That he attained any significance at all is more a testament to his last name than anything IMO but the fact that he managed to build himself into a quasi-entity the way he did is on a level that makes me wonder what kind of incriminating evidence he’s had on people all these years.

Shit Jeff Hardy was always pretty bad too but he always had an undeniable charisma- that ‘enigma’ shit is more than marketing with him if you ask me- coupled with an exciting and distinctive move set along with an entrance them that got people on their feet from note one.

The pairing/feud with Mongo in WCW was one of the worst things I can remember even among the Vince Russo trash that has stunk up the industry. At least AJ puts on a show in the ring but man… he might well have a pretty severe handicap for this particular stage.
All that aside I can’t wait for him to feud with Sheamus over that outstretched arm thing they both do. The promos and character work will be train wreck worth watching and laughing at but the in ring action would be, well….. Phenomenal. Lol.

  

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86. "Bland is fine if you're Canadian/super nothern"
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Bret Hart, for entire swaths of his career, was bland as hell, but was able to inject intensity when it mattered
Lance Storm turned having negative personality into something fun in both WCW and the WWE.
Chris Benoit was the drizzlins (c) Stone Cold on the mic.
Hell even Malenko (who is Minnesotan?) was compelling without giving you really any thread of personality.

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87. "Nah those guys weren't awful. Just mediocre. "
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Not particularly exciting, but they did their thing. This is different. Just plain awful.

If Jeff Jarrett cloned himself, fucked the clone, had a baby, fucked the baby, AJ would be the fruit of that ungodly stump of a family tree.

Strictly in terms of his speaking/promo ability, that is. lol.

I dunno. Bret, Benoit, those guys were fine. Nothing spectacular, but listenable. AJ is a chore to listen to.

  

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96. "Man cmon lol"
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http://soundcloud.com/djshinobishaw
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89. "RE: Yeah I think I gave TNA too much blame for AJ "
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Tna Jeff Jarrett is the worst HHH stuff all in one with less good wrestling. And he's smaller. And Foley wasn't on the scene to 'make' him. He could have sound/decent matches but nothing was ever going to be too crazy good. He was also pulling the 'Adam Sandler writes himself into movies with hot chicks' thing all the time in Tna. Aka he stayed winning in ways that made no sense until you remembered the situation.

AJ styles has never worked in a well-run promotion. He's an overachieving spot monkey wrestler at worst. He IS a rough go on the mic. And he probably hasn't done much in wwe's shop to fix that. It'll take a while. But...if he's shockingly booked well, it'll be fine because he's worked himself into being a really good in-ring guy. And if he works with good carriers, he's gonna look grand regularly. He's not tall or even big, but he has a history and a profile that serves him well even with a scary finisher and shaky mic work.

Seth by God Rollins had some rough edges too when he came along. Still does. But this road to rasselmania (, Maggle) would be sooooo much better with him around. AJ could get to a sweet spot too if he stays in favor backstage and gets to being even serviceable on the mic. And...if nothing else...he's another rock solid in-ring guy who can add to the rasslin.


>We’ll see what he does and how he’s utilized but it’s
>shocking how little progress he’s made in the
>character/promo department. He’s unbelievably bad and
>frankly I think anyone who says otherwise is giving him a pass
>due to his in-ring work.
>
>And I’m kinda shocked to see jimaveli call Jarrett a B-
>across the board. Jarrett as a character has always been
>really, really bad at best and as a worker he’s always been
>just a guy to me. He does absolutely nothing special and the
>things that stand out more than anything are his awful
>Flair-isms. Had he been a 1970’s wrassler in WCCW or mid
>south or whatever I’m sure he’d be well regarded,
>legendary, etc on some Lawler bullshit. I dunno but he’s
>terrible and has always been terrible. Frankly he’s
>overachieved in mystifying ways. That he attained any
>significance at all is more a testament to his last name than
>anything IMO but the fact that he managed to build himself
>into a quasi-entity the way he did is on a level that makes me
>wonder what kind of incriminating evidence he’s had on
>people all these years.
>
>Shit Jeff Hardy was always pretty bad too but he always had an
>undeniable charisma- that ‘enigma’ shit is more than
>marketing with him if you ask me- coupled with an exciting and
>distinctive move set along with an entrance them that got
>people on their feet from note one.
>
>The pairing/feud with Mongo in WCW was one of the worst things
>I can remember even among the Vince Russo trash that has stunk
>up the industry. At least AJ puts on a show in the ring but
>man… he might well have a pretty severe handicap for this
>particular stage.
>All that aside I can’t wait for him to feud with Sheamus
>over that outstretched arm thing they both do. The promos and
>character work will be train wreck worth watching and laughing
>at but the in ring action would be, well….. Phenomenal. Lol.
>

  

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magilla vanilla
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90. "Difference with Rollins is he was a spot monkey with a good platform "
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He spent that whole first year of his times in a major fed in the Shield, where his amazing spots were part of bust-ass trios matches with the Wyatts and Evolution.

And he was the overlong promo in the group, but he got to spend so much time watching Ambrose lead those backstage segments (and, probably learning from Triple H, whose Authority promos are much better than his Attitude era one).

Whereas Styles was pushed to the moon well before he was ready, and was doing singles programs against like Jarrett and Abyss.

I mean, even contrast Styles with how EC3 came up. He got to work with Bryan, who is the consummate professional wrestler, in gameshow NXT. He got to have fun building a character out in NXT Redemption, where nobody REALLY cared what he did, and then was given a fun character with a compelling group (Dixieland was prettay, prettay, prettay good) when he got his big chance.

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92. "Jarrett is what happens when you give X-Pac a top title"
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>Jarrett as a character has always been
>really, really bad at best and as a worker he’s always been
>just a guy to me. He does absolutely nothing special and the
>things that stand out more than anything are his awful
>Flair-isms. Had he been a 1970’s wrassler in WCCW or mid
>south or whatever I’m sure he’d be well regarded,
>legendary, etc on some Lawler bullshit.

I don't think he would even be well regarded in that regard. he is a Tennessee territory heel who hasn't seen a day past the '70s left to his own devices

ironically, WWE (and later WCW, who basically rode his coattails) figured out how to make him somewhat bankable in the Attitude Era, by giving him the yellow safety glasses and "I Drove A F-150 XLT Before It Was Cool To Middle Management" Persona

when I watch Jarrett matches, it's the same thing as watching X-Pac... all you can do is MST3K them

As a main eventer in TNA, this dude had straight X-Pac heat; he threw out all the funny ass shit he did in WCW (hitting people with the guitar, "Slap Nuts"), changed his look and demeanor back to "Generic Tennessee Heel" and had the most Piss Break inducing entrance music ever...you simply wanted him off the screen

  

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95. "Just got back from NXT Pittsburgh"
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2nd time seeing NXT live and it's just so damn good. Just so much more entertaining in person than any main roster event.

Super excited to be going in Dallas too, clearly going to be way better than Mania. From now on when I take my WM trips I'll say I'm taking an NXT trip and seeing Mania while I'm there.

  

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97. "RE: Just got back from NXT Pittsburgh"
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>2nd time seeing NXT live and it's just so damn good. Just so
>much more entertaining in person than any main roster event.
>
>Super excited to be going in Dallas too, clearly going to be
>way better than Mania. From now on when I take my WM trips
>I'll say I'm taking an NXT trip and seeing Mania while I'm
>there.

I'm doing mania and the raw after. We'll prolly be around the Raw site for the weekend but we haven't booked that yet. I regret allowing raw over nxt call with my crew already. Shinsuke vs Sami Zayn is prolly gonna be a grand thang to see. That and Bayley vs whoever.

I guess Brock vs Bray is in the bag for mania? Just because it seems lazy to poo poo that doesn't mean that I'm not poo poo'ing that match. Brock has two more years after this?

I'm still at least kinda hoping for another moonwalk booking call on the Haitch vs Reigns main event. It would be kinda sweet if they could rig up a mitb sometime between now and mania. Either that or just stick Ambrose in there so there's SOME intrigue on the title match.

And if Taker doesn't slow walk and eye-roll his way into the main event too, I have no idea who he's getting if Cena doesn't just TO (eagles super bow) it up and drag himself to Mania.

  

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98. "Lucha Underground coming to iTunes / S3 is a go as well (link)"
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http://prowrestlingsheet.com/lucha-underground-season-3-announced-to-wrestlers/

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99. "Bret Hart announced he has prostate cancer, undergoing surgery soon"
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It's never a good thing when childhood heroes start trending on Twitter

  

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103. "Interesting. I figured him for throat cancer as much as he blows himself"
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Either way....he got cancer better talhan anyone alive.

If HHH got cancer he wouldn't even be in the top ten thousand.

God I can't wait for the awkward interviews turned shoot promos when he beats this.

At least I hope he beats this. I don't want The Hitman to be another former wrestler who doesn't get to die an old man.

  

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106. "What the hell are these sentences?"
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>Either way....he got cancer better talhan anyone alive.
>
>If HHH got cancer he wouldn't even be in the top ten
>thousand.
>

  

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108. "LOL...I needed a translation too"
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They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

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Cold Truth
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112. "Lol they're perfectly legible even with the autocorrect typo"
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If you've ever watched a Bret Hart interview you know he's a huge mark for himself. He's always the best or better than anyone else or something along those lines.

You also know he shits on Hunter with regularity and at one point said Hunter wasn't even in the top 1000 wrestlers or some shit.

So the joke is about his ego

  

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113. ""He got cancer better than anyone alive" is what the 1st sentence says?"
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That's what I read, but with typos I had to assume there was a good chance of grammar mistakes and poster-drunkenness or something, so it cam off as you saying "better him get cancer than anyone else", and after your subject line, it's not a stretch to go from "Bret's always blowing himself" to "at least it's him and not someone else"

  

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114. "There's one typo. It was perfectly legible. "
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Lets move on.

  

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104. "RE: Bret Hart announced he has prostate cancer, undergoing surgery soon"
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Such terrible news. So sad to hear to this.

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100. "Well, can't say they aren't giving AJ Styles a full push"
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101. "RE: Well, can't say they aren't giving AJ Styles a full push"
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>

Punching the Miz is somewhere on the list of things you have to go through before getting a push..true.

I'm waiting to see who they stick him with at Mania. With the roster injuries, there's no way he doesn't make the show.

I'm sad and happy about Shinsuke getting Zayn. I'm sad that in not gonna see it in person. I'm happy that Swag is gonna get a shot at being made man material his first match in.

  

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102. "I was on the fence until the crowd erupted in AJ chants"
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Shit was a little heavy but I liked that they utilized the Miz for this. His character may be stale but he's still a top shelf promo and this was a good segment for AJ.

  

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105. "Sasha finally getting some shine"
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Team B.A.D. breakup was a little weirdly executed but long overdue.

  

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107. "Sasha vs Charlotte vs Becky at Mania is gonna be great"
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Seems that is the match they are setting up

  

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109. "They broke up my team of sexiness"
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110. "If I never have to hear "UNITY!!!" again"
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i'll be very happy.

  

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111. "^^^^^^^"
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115. "This Wrestlemania is gonna suck. "
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Why wouldn't they just do Ambrose vs Taker?

  

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116. "we don't know that they aren't."
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my guess is they're waiting to see if Cena can come back and if not they'll plug in someone else. Outside of Owens or a Kane retirement match I'm not sure there's anything that would interest me though.

  

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117. "WM always has a way of working out OK"
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We were convinced last year would suck and while it wasn't the best ever it had it's good moments and was an overall good experience between Rollins cashing in, Bryan winning the ladder match, Orton vs Rollins and some overall good matches.

At this time we thought WM XXX was going to be the worst ever with Orton vs Batista as the main event and it turned into one of the best overall Manias ever including Brock shocking the world

Terrible Manias exist, but they are hard to even really remember, even when a main event is terrible there tends to be a lot of good that happens as well.

  

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118. "agreed. the rumble set up some potentially great feuds."
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even if the taker match and title match suck the midcard should be pretty great.

  

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119. "There is no good taker match anymore"
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Brock ending the streak made the matches not really matter anyway.

Even before Brock beat it, his matches with HHH, HBK, Punk etc were good but we all knew none of them were breaking the streak.

I stopped caring about the Taker match after guys like Edge and Orton didn't get the win a decade a go when it was what they could have really used to move into the future. I didn't give a shit about Lesnar either, I was just convinced it was another useless feud but that's what made the win so shocking.

  

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120. "They're strongly discussing Taker vs Strowman for Mania..."
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Horrible idea.

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121. "I don't believe that's anything but internet rumors"
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They know he isn't ready and that this could be Taker's last Mania. While Cena may have been the target, they won't settle on that.

  

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122. "My hope is it's just WWE feeding bullshit to the dirtsheets"
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to test the waters. If it's true though... Man that's an awful match and it makes me just as pessimistic as TigerWoods.

  

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123. "Mania's biggest issue will be NXT blowing it away again"
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Just like at Summerslam where all anyone talked about was NXT the night before.

I'm going to both and am way more excited for NXT than Mania

Eventually that's going to be a real problem for them and anger a lot of people. The answer sadly won't be to step up the main roster's game, but rather to tone down NXT I bet.

  

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126. "As much as I like the Strowman character..."
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that match would barely be better than Undertaker/Giant Gonzalez. Zero appeal whatsoever.

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128. "LOL, throwback to Taker's early years?"
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Where he stayed in feuds with some big lumbering, uncoordinated stiffs.

  

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124. "It has been a while"
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>Why wouldn't they just do Ambrose vs Taker?

Since a mania just all out sucked. 11-14 all had major stinkers. There's been a few one-match shows. There's been some shaky main events that they got away with because of some supreme midcard matches and openers. I remember my brain being turned off at mania 25 after taker/hbk. Aka I cared not about HHH vs Orton.

I think we're headed towards a shaky main event with a couple good midcard matches situation...maybe.

I'd be sad if Taker ate it with the most green Wyatt member at Mania. It's just a bad Taker match...he shouldn't have to be saddled with a stiff on his way out. We know that's a big part of the bad part of Taker's career, but lawd...why go back to that? I'd rather have them 'waste' Owens in the Taker spot. At least he'd carry him and troll it up something fierce to get Taker cheered.

I wonder what Ambrose is gonna be in on for mania? Could they sack up and have in the main for the triple threat? I can imagine they are freaking out over Reigns. It's bullshit that they're blaming him when they keep booking him like a bitch but hey. This isn't like last year when the hood wanted Yesgoat. They're just botching the story. And HHH falling back for two months is lame. I assume he has to wrestle one good time before mania. Otherwise...lame! Where's Jack Tunney with the 30-day rule? HHH ain't Brock.

  

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125. "If this is what happens..."
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>And HHH falling back
>for two months is lame. I assume he has to wrestle one good
>time before mania. Otherwise...lame!

then they just took a dump on the title IMO.


Where's Jack Tunney with
>the 30-day rule?

^^^LOLOL...classic...

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127. "Kurt Angle"
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He's free from Tna now. I wonder if he could even kinda sorta get cleared for wwe?

I doubt they even want him. Once we consider that they dropped him for issues years ago, prolly not. Wellness issues.

Taker vs Angle would be grand for me.

If taker, HHH, Rock and Brock can come through with mild schedules, I don't hate Angle having the same deal. He'd another dude who can show up here and there and have decent matches with folks who work all the time. Used properly, he could still be great as a legacy act who can at least kinda still go a half-dozen times a year. He can have an 'epic' wwe match with some dramatic resting and selling.

And don't even start me on a Shinsuke vs Angle match next year for his retirement/hall of fame. They could get a Cena vs Angle at this year's summerfest too.

Let me stop...this ain't happening. Angle is old and apparently half-crippled. And wwe is clearly not in love with the idea of some guy falling apart physically on their roster...besides Taker...but that's Taker. And again...wellness/drug tests.

>Royal Rumble tonight. Who ya got? I can't even pretend I care
>about the rest of the card. I'll have this on one TV and
>Zona/Carolina on the other in the cave.
>
>There's no way the kid walks out of this as the champ. No way.
>The cheating is gonna jump off. That or we get the Ambrose
>turn way too late.
>
>If I had the book, I give it to Taker since he was in-line to
>main event vs Cena anyway. Of course, he'd show up as late as
>possible once the heels are closing in on Reigns.
>
>I assume we get HHH showing up and winning via shenanigans.
>And then, Reigns has to 'earn his Mania title shot' in some
>sort of shady situation at Fast Lane.
>
>I want to see Taker somehow though. That showing up on March
>8th, rolling his eyes, and telling someone to rest in peace to
>set up a match shit is lame for what could/should be his last
>Mania.
>
>I don't think we see AJ unless he takes HHH's place in the #30
>or #31 shenanigans.

  

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129. "not a chance in hell angle can be cleared for WWE"
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dont even consider it.

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135. "RE: Kurt Angle"
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Did you see his match vs Matt Hardy last night?? Looked feeble doing belly to back suplexes on him (barely got him over a couple of times)...and you want him in the ring against Undertaker?

I loved Kurt (especially heel Kurt) but he just can't carry a match worth watching anymore IMO.

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130. "Are we watching Lucha Underground?"
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I've only just woken up to it. Caught a few bits of Season 1 and the Ultima Lucha finales. This is EXACTLY what a rasslin' show should be in 2016.

I'm not sure I'll find time for Raw whilst this is on.

Edit: Just saw posts 81 and 98. We are. I'm late. *accepts pass*

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131. "RE: Are we watching Lucha Underground?"
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>I've only just woken up to it. Caught a few bits of Season 1
>and the Ultima Lucha finales. This is EXACTLY what a rasslin'
>show should be in 2016.
>
>I'm not sure I'll find time for Raw whilst this is on.
>
>Edit: Just saw posts 81 and 98. We are. I'm late. *accepts
>pass*

It's a great wrestling show. It is kinda like nxt with more over the top videos and 'acting'.

It's storytelling booking done right in so many ways. It all fits and everyone is their own think. AND when they mingle, shit gets fun and interesting. Wwe can't seem to pull that off regularly enough outside of nxt. That's why folks love nxt too by the way. Becky and Bayley are different. Sami and Balor are different. They're different characters who work differently for different reason.

Every main roster face ends up acting too much like 1998-2000 stone cold would have at some point. And entirely too many of the heels are the stooges (pat and Jerry). Occasionally they let someone be face Mick Foley and they get over huge (Daniel Bryan).

And...even more than nxt, the temple crowd lets the bookers do the show instead of trying to do it for them as they're doing it. That is another big wwe issue. Most folks have their own cards and finishes in their mind. We prebook and rebook the show all the time. Then, we get the Hulk Hogan 87 (aka the original Cenawinslol) finish and we hate it.

  

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132. "Hey, as long as everyone gets on board at some point"
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>
>Edit: Just saw posts 81 and 98. We are. I'm late. *accepts
>pass*


I can't STFU about this show. Love every second of it.

  

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133. "i hate i never get to watch it live."
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i'm always out wednesday nights.

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134. "I'mguessing it doesn't air on FIOS"
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because I search and can never find it...oh well.

Does it air online anywhere?

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136. "i know they always put the main event of the week on youtube"
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full episodes aren't the easiest to find but they should be somewhere out there if you do some digging.

  

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148. "thx"
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137. "its supposed to be on iTunes soon for a legal route"
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138. "They need to get it over to Netflix/Amazon NOW"
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They should take advantage of how untied to the live events the TV show is and get this out however possible... it's an outright TV Show that'll live into repeat viewings rather than a Live Entertainment Special that loses it's relevance a few weeks down the line... put the first season up on Netflix and MILLIONS will binge the fuck out of it and get hooked.

That they have an off-season is great... gives the fans a chance to build up their appetites again (and recover from that Cero Miedo match) and fucking HELL that first episode of the season was hype.

Second was decent I thought, but that first one really blew me away... Vampiro in the psych ward!

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141. "they were talking to Netflix a while ago"
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but I don't think it went anywhere unfortunately.

  

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139. "it's sort of a pain in the ass to watch. No On Demand???"
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I have Xfinity here in DC, am I the only one incapable of watching it on demand?

  

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140. "all of you may have it on a spanish channel btw."
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which may actually be worth it. i think the storytelling is pretty clear either way.

  

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144. "WatchWrestling on a Thursday is your friend."
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It's pretty much my only route to it in the UK at the moment.

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142. "R.I.P. Axl Rotten"
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Damn...as an ECW loyal fan, this one really hurts. Probably one of the true "kings of the death match", barbed wire, spiked bats, light tubes, thumb tacks, pints of blood at a time...this guy literally gave his life to the wrestling business. Too many classic matches in ECW, Combat Zone Wrestling, and Japan to even list here, possibly most notably with (and later against) his "brother" Ian Rotten.

Thanks you for the memories Axl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSOrZm2IiQ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusabc2tIqQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O59sLxcnXLE&list=PL3A2DA40507CB1EAA

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143. "Sad, but perhaps unsurprising."
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His appearance on Cabana's podcast was pretty good, a few year's back:

https://soundcloud.com/coltcabana/aow-126-axl-rotten

  

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145. "Dave Mirra and Axl Rotten dead and Bret Hart with cancer"
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This week is really fucking with my teenage self right now.

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146. "I know it's morbid but I was surprised he was still alive"
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I think I Just assumed he was dead

I remember many great nights as a teenager in the ECW arena watching him and Balls just destroy people

  

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147. "He was apparently in bad shape for a while"
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here's a vid from last summer...about an hour long

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU1AvNUNbr4

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Some will tell you that they love you but they've got an ulterior motive - Oh what a shame
They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

(c) Luciano


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg0-qndkemo

  

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149. "Pentagon Jr vs Puma is gooooooold."
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That opening scene reminded me of some Tekken shit so much lol.

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150. "RE: Pentagon Jr vs Puma is gooooooold."
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>That opening scene reminded me of some Tekken shit so much
>lol.

Ha. There was no 10-hit combo attempt or elaborately moving hair so maybe not..haha.

Lucha Underground is so fun. They take liberties and tell funny lies with the action sequences but it is so great how the wrestling makes sense. I don't know if wwe could do it even if they had months off to plan everything out. The champ sitting on a throne the whole episode is wonderful. HHH is gonna steal that for a raw or fast lane while he's champ.

  

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151. "Yeah I've always looked at it like a superhero universe"
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Or I guess Mortal Kombat is a more apt description. That's why they can get away with a deadman character where WWE no longer can.

  

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152. "Mortal Kombat is definitely a big influence."
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Mil Muertes was clearly channeling his inner Shao Khan on that throne.

I'm not mad in the slightest - this is a seriously important move for wrestling IMHO. Kayfabe has been dead a long time and it's no wonder that audiences continually slip for the WWE's "reality" product... rather than walking the tightrope of 2016 kayfabe, LU have just thrown the rulebook away and said "It's a TV drama with live wrestling matches" so we can enjoy it on the level of Power or Empire without having to worry about being ripped out of your suspension of disbelief. Heels are proper heels. Faces are proper faces. There are fucking superheros and undead monsters. There are MURDERS!

Despite it being 400 times more obviously fake outside the ring, I still haven't marked out for WWE action like that Angelico leap in Ultima Lucha or watching Ivelisse square up to Muertes in at least decade. Even my girl's starting to get bitten by it.

Pentagon Jnr is probably my most entertaining athlete on TV right now.

>Or I guess Mortal Kombat is a more apt description. That's
>why they can get away with a deadman character where WWE no
>longer can.

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153. "Rumor is that the YES! Movement will officially end tonight"
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DB may be retiring on RAW


*update: he just tweeted it. He's retiring effective immediately

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154. "KEEPING HOPE THAT KAYFABE IS ALIVE BAYBAY"
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155. "I hope he kayfabing too"
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156. "I feel like this is a Pre- Mania Work"
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Get you to tune in to Raw and set something up for him.

But I also thought that when Edge did this right after Mania too

  

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157. "RE: I feel like this is a Pre- Mania Work"
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing regarding to Edge. I'll wait to see how all this goes down. I want it to be a work so bad, but I think this is it for him.

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158. "Its on ESPNs crawl......"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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159. "What a major drag."
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160. "RE: QBert symbols;, Yosimite Sam"
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>DB may be retiring on RAW
>
>
>*update: he just tweeted it. He's retiring effective
>immediately

Boo. We are not being worked. If we are, good work. But I don't know who it would be...Owens? Abrupt Reigns heel turn? Nahhh...it's none of that. Dude is gonna show up and retire. I wonder where he'll be on the show...if he's really just gone, it's gonna kill the crowd dead.

  

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161. "man this retirement shit feel like the wrestling gods fuckin with us"
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the most over dude since the attitude era, constantly fucked with and dicked around by the company. finally gets to the top purely on being over as fuck despite the WWE trying to keep him down. AND HE CANT FUCKING WRESTLE EVER FUCKING AGAIN.

if i was a kid now i'd probably never watch the shit again. go from possibly having the indy dream tag team/alliance on deck w/ him and punk to now both of them dudes being out the game. what the hell man.

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162. "Bryan and Punk make for a fascinating contrast"
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Two guys who had no business ascending to the heights they rose to, exceeding all expectations any smart or even casual fan could have ever had for them.

But one guy's disposition remains sunny, even though he's being pushed out against his will. The other guy remains a brat and continues to publicly shit on the very business that helped make him a name in the first place, despite leaving on his own terms. Similar paths to the top, starkly different exits, and only one seems obviously content.

CM Punk is a chump, and Daniel Bryan isn't just THE man he's A man. Bryan's perspective is so refreshing, refreshing because perspective is so rare to come by in pro wrestling.

I'm sure he'll struggle with letting it go once reality really sets in these next few months. But I think there's ample reason to believe he'll make for a great ambassador for the WWE, or director of a community center, or white water rafting guide somewhere, or a success at WHATEVER he chooses to do. And if he does leverage his celebrity, my hunch is he'll do it for some kind of greater good - not to shortcut his way to incredible opportunities that he doesn't deserve.

Simply, Daniel Bryan is as important as CM Punk thought he was.

  

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163. "Ass backwards take "
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Your bitterness towards Punk is hilarious. I love and respect both guys, but don't need them to be the same. Just remember that before Punk quit, it was Sheamus vs Bryan at Mania 30. A large part of Punks reasoning for leaving was the way they were treating Bryan. Punk left on his own terms, sadly Bryan didn't get that chance.

  

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165. "You're 100% correct and barely scratching the surface. "
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168. "This is just false"
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>large part of Punks reasoning for leaving was the way they
>were treating Bryan.

He mentioned that in his final "meeting" with Vince and Triple H that he called them out for not recognizing that this was Bryan's year and that bringing in Batista as a babyface was stupid. In general the way the smark favorites were treated was part of his reasoning for being done with it, but that's because HE was a part of that collective. He was tried was CM PUNK being held back, not being the main event of Mania during years where HE was the top guy. Was he upset about Bryan not getting his due when it was his time? Of course. But to say that was a LARGE PART of him leaving it's completely false. Bryan not main eventing Mania was behind a long list of gripes Punk compiled over the years, along with injuries and complete burn out.

  

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164. "Honest question: How closely do you actually follow pro wrestling"
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Because there are an awful lot of problems with this.

>But one guy's disposition remains sunny, even though he's
>being pushed out against his will.

>The other guy remains a
>brat and continues to publicly shit on the very business that
>helped make him a name in the first place, despite leaving on
>his own terms.

This is the sort of logic employed by police apologists whenever cops are under fire for police brutality. You know the line: "OH YEAH, WELL WHO WILL YOU CALL WHEN THERES A HOME INVASION AT THREE IN THE MORNING? BLACK ON BLACK CRIME!!!!"

That's what this is.

It's also right in line with the vile, predatory manipulation Vince and Steph employ with their talent: WWE is doing them all a huge favor by letting these guys in and BY GOD, they better thank their lucky stars.

I wonder what your response is when people voice their issues with problems within America. Do you tell them that America is the GOAT and they should just be happy to be here? I doubt it. That's the line you toe here though.

WWE gave Punk his current fame notoriety. Cool. That doesn't mean Punk didn't have plenty of valid issues with the way WWE did things. Far too few people speak out against the way WWE does things unless they're filing a frivolous lawsuit. This notion that Punk is somehow a brat for it is hilarious and shows just how biased and/or uninformed you are on the subject.

Especially since Punk cited what he was watching happen with Bryan at the time as one of those last straws.

You're also 100% wrong about Punk leaving on his own terms. He was fired. On his wedding day, no less, via overnight mail. This isn't up for debate. He walked out, was suspended, told Hunter he was getting married and was under the impression they would resume discussions when Punk returned from his honeymoon, and instead was fired on his wedding day.

Similar paths to the top, starkly different
>exits, and only one seems obviously content.

Bryan seems content? You sure about that?

He's grudgingly accepting his fate. He's accepted this. I dunno about content.

>CM Punk is a chump, and Daniel Bryan isn't just THE man he's A
>man. Bryan's perspective is so refreshing, refreshing because
>perspective is so rare to come by in pro wrestling.

Perspective is so rare to come by in pro wrestling? What does that even mean? This is complete nonsense. Do you read any of the more respected journalists in the field? Do you listen to any podcasts? Interviews? I'm not talking about some salty, bitter ass shoot on youtube, but actual interviews? Because there's a shit ton of perspective out there. A lot of good stuff to be had by people with interest who actually pay attention.

>Simply, Daniel Bryan is as important as CM Punk thought he
>was.

Bryan is *as* important as Punk was, considering how much of Bryan's Mania push that year was owed to Punk's situation.

Punk fought tooth and nail for what he got. Punk was correct in several issues, but the biggest issue, and what was ultimately the hill he wound up dying on:

The over-reliance on past stars to promote Mania. If WWE didn't start giving their current stars the sort of treatment they gave past stars, they wouldn't create any new stars to carry the torch. We're seeing that come to fruition right today.

Even when Bryan was white hot, the push from WWE was reluctant.

That's just a fact. That they chose to do the right thing is a credit to them, but make no mistake, that was never the plan. As it stands Bryan was scheduled to get decimated by Brock at SS that year anyways. Fortunately for Bryan, Cena took that beating instead. Make no mistake, for all the excitement people have for a Brock/Bryan match, that would have been the squash of all squashes.

Punk was vocal about this issue. Loud. And you know what? he was under appreciated. Even Bryan has been under appreciated. Bryan was partly to blame for that because he refused to fight the way Punk did. Bryan also refused to alter his in ring style, has practically flaunted the fact that he's had more concussions than WWE knew about and freely admitted that he was unlikely to report a concussion if he got one because he knows they would take him out.

Yeah, Punk is much more up front and abrasive. Bryan is more go with the flow. Obviously one guy is more "likable", but the notion of disliking a guy for taking a strong stand against his employer for some of the poor practices on the end of said employer is just plain ridiculous. If anything they both represent the extreme uphill battle guys have to fight to get over if they don't have the height and muscles Vince salivates over and how there are two ways to get ahead in that environment:

-Fight, scratch, claw, and give out the same shit you have to take.

or

-kind of luck out and stumble upon a gimmick people gravitate toward and hope a serious of events comes together so that Vince has no real choice.

Bryan has said himself that he has no real ambition and just wants to wrestle and just kind of does what he's told.

There's actually a shit ton more to discuss here and I'm spit balling and leaving a lot out. There's a deep as rabbit hole here and for you to say the two are a "fascinating contrast" without really digging into what that contrast is or the circumstances behind each guy to create said contrast, that's.....interesting.
but we both know you won't actually address any of this and will just spit out a TLDNR or some nonsense along those lines anyways.

  

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166. "Ok, a few layers to this"
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I'd like to elaborate, but before I do I need to say that your reliance on condescension and insults is really off putting. It hinders the potential of this thread and prevents it from being as fun as it it could be. I'm not saying that my post is gospel. But you accuse me of making generalizations and then make the most sweeping generalization in this entire thread:

"I wonder what your response is when people voice their issues with problems within America. Do you tell them that America is the GOAT and they should just be happy to be here? I doubt it. That's the line you toe here though."

Hahaha, a xenophobia dig? We're talking about the WWE here man. Let's
engage in a conversation that remains civil. It's the internet! We're talking about pro wrestling! Lighten up!!! How about we chill out and have a conversation and try to simply compare/contrast Bryan and Punk and put their stellar careers in context. Deal???

Now,

- regarding "perspective", I could've been clearer. I meant "perspective" amongst many former wrestlers and personalities. Think of how many guys you know who remain bitter and who constantly harp on how mistreated they were or how poor the current product is. You yourself have rightly criticized Bret Hart for taking himself so seriously - like you, I find Bret insufferable. The same could be said for JR (times change) or Jim Cornette (chill out). Guys like Bret and Cornette are as out of touch with reality as Bryan is in touch, that's what I find refreshing.

- Punk did leave on his own terms. He went home and stayed home, which ultimately lead to his firing. But he did leave on his own terms - and he left stating that he had no intent to ever return. The contrast is that, regardless of the litany of allegations he's made against the WWE or the contributing frustrating incidents he witnessed backstage, CM Punk elected to leave on his own because he was sick of it, whereas Daniel Bryan has to leave against his will. That's a pretty clear contrast, no? One guy got sick of the job and left, one guy got sick and had to leave the job. Those are the facts.

- In my opinion, Daniel Bryan is more important than CM Punk because Daniel Bryan was the vision realized; over all of the issues he had with WWE, CM Punk's biggest ax to grind was never getting the chance to headline Wrestlemania - Daniel Bryan headlined Wrestlemania. Bryan was the crossover star that Punk outlined in the original "pipe bomb" promo.

- the details of what was supposed to happen - Bryan vs Sheamus, Bryan being squashed by Brock - aren't really relevant because what both Punk and Bryan have in common is that both stars ultimately arrived at their main event status because the fans willed them there. You're totally right that the company was reluctant to push either of them. But by hook or by crook both did get their pushes because the fans demanded it. (It may sound like a Hunter-spun yarn, but the company really does listen when the mob becomes vocal enough; the kind of passionate expression that helped Punk and Bryan is the same kind of passionate expression that appropriately prevented them from putting the title on Roman Reigns too early at WM 31.)


I hadn't bought a wrestling shirt probably since middle school over 15 years ago, but I bought the Punk shirt. I, probably like yourself, REALLY believed in that guy. Past just liking him, I believed in him. The angst in my post comes from a real disappointment in both him leaving the way he did and in his subsequent behavior following his exit. I mean he railed against guys like Batista and Rock using their celebrity to shortcut themselves to opportunity...but there's no other 37 year old 0-0 welterweight in the world who could make his pro MMA debut in the UFC. So there's a pot calling the kettle black thing there. He's also gone on to call wrestling fake and insult people who, understandably, bring up his past as a pro wrestler. That's lame.

All that being said, I probably jumped out on it a little early in parts there. Shit I'm a mark like you, whenever Punk's fight is Lord knows I'll be in the bar watching! Only point I was trying to make is that they definitely carried themselves differently and that I found Bryan's way of conducting himself to be classier. In the end, they're easily the only guys I've cared this much about Post-Eddie Guerrero and despite their differences I wish them both well.








  

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169. "I don't see the condescension or the insults. "
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I don't think I said anything condescending or insulting until that last line, and that's because the general OKP tact when I try to engage something deeper than surface level results in a TLDNR style response. I was quite earnest with the rest, up to and including the header. The reason for that header is that I can see a post like yours from someone less educated to the business as a whole and WWE and Vince in particular, but not someone with the savvy I generally expect here.

If you reread your post, it's extremely flippant toward Punk in a way that isn't remotely consistent with the totality of that story. That's why I asked some of the more pointed questions.

>Hahaha, a xenophobia dig? We're talking about the WWE here
>man. Let's
>engage in a conversation that remains civil. It's the
>internet! We're talking about pro wrestling! Lighten up!!! How
>about we chill out and have a conversation and try to simply
>compare/contrast Bryan and Punk and put their stellar careers
>in context. Deal???

A couple things:

1. That wasn't a disrespectful question. That wasn't condescending or insulting. Perhaps it reads that way when taken out of context of what I wrote directly before and after it, but taken in the whole of what I wrote there's a very clear and obvious point made using this as the setup.

2. It's not a xenophobia jab. Far from it, actually. The point is that where there are problems within any group of human beings, be it family, community, state, country, or, ahem, a place of employment, especially one like WWE where it's a veritable shark tank with no union and a very clear chain of command and nobody has any power or influence that wasn't bestowed upon them by Vince.

When someone takes a stand and speaks out against the entity that allows those issues to fester, it's hardly reasonable to take that person to task for, as you implied in other words, biting the hand that fed them.

>Now,
>
>- regarding "perspective", I could've been clearer. I meant
>"perspective" amongst many former wrestlers and personalities.
>Think of how many guys you know who remain bitter and who
>constantly harp on how mistreated they were or how poor the
>current product is. You yourself have rightly criticized Bret
>Hart for taking himself so seriously - like you, I find Bret
>insufferable. The same could be said for JR (times change) or
>Jim Cornette (chill out). Guys like Bret and Cornette are as
>out of touch with reality as Bryan is in touch, that's what I
>find refreshing.

I don't think Bryan's retirement speech is even a remotely good example of this though. This was a retirement speech. This was coming to terms with his own circumstance and retiring. My guess is Punk would have gone out with something similar (though definitely in Punk fashion, lol) were he retired under such circumstances.

To that end this wasn't Bryan's thoughts on the product, on creative decisions, on politics, or what have you. I'm not sure if you read his book and perhaps incorporated some of that into your larger point about this. That would make a little more sense.

>- Punk did leave on his own terms. He went home and stayed
>home, which ultimately lead to his firing.But he did leave on
>his own terms - and he left stating that he had no intent to
>ever return.

They had ongoing discussions. He was actually suspended. Who knows where things could have left off had they not fired him? If i were a betting man I'd bet money he would have still stayed away. Thing is, when someone else makes that decision for you, you are by definition going out on someone else's terms.

>The contrast is that, regardless of the litany of
>allegations he's made against the WWE or the contributing
>frustrating incidents he witnessed backstage, CM Punk elected
>to leave on his own because he was sick of it, whereas Daniel
>Bryan has to leave against his will. That's a pretty clear
>contrast, no? One guy got sick of the job and left, one guy
>got sick and had to leave the job. Those are the facts.

Yeah there's a definite contrast. I just think the devil is in the details when we start drawing this comparison and casting Punk in such a negative light in that contrast.

>- In my opinion, Daniel Bryan is more important than CM Punk
>because Daniel Bryan was the vision realized; over all of the
>issues he had with WWE, CM Punk's biggest ax to grind was
>never getting the chance to headline Wrestlemania - Daniel
>Bryan headlined Wrestlemania. Bryan was the crossover star
>that Punk outlined in the original "pipe bomb" promo.

But Punk could have and should have been, in much the same way Bryan should have already been slotted for that Mania spot at that point. The fact that Punk's exit was the fly in the ointment that lead (along with the reaction to Batista) to all that reshuffling is sort key here. Punk was the guy fighting so that guys like Bryan would get those kinds of opportunities. If that doesn't make him just as important as Bryan at a minimum, I'm at a loss for words because one hand clearly washed the other there. Punk isn't responsible for Bryan's ascension to the degree that Bryan owes a debt or anything, but there's a lot to be said for the guy that was willing to fight in part over a guy who wasn't willing to fight for himself.

>- the details of what was supposed to happen - Bryan vs
>Sheamus, Bryan being squashed by Brock - aren't really
>relevant because what both Punk and Bryan have in common is
>that both stars ultimately arrived at their main event status
>because the fans willed them there.

You can't just remove all of those factors from the equation. That's intellectually dishonest, especially in light of the point that I was making with those examples. It wasn't just the will of the fans. It was external factors that forced Vince's hand. Punk was valuable enough by that point that Vince didn't want to see him jump ship to TNA or ROH and bring some viewers with him, so he threw him a bone. He and Doofus made sure to slow that train down though, didn't they? That's very relevant to this discussion.

The fact that Vince finally gave in and threw Bryan and the fans a bone but was ultimately going to feed him to Brock anyways is precisely the issue Punk was fighting: Vince was willing to sacrifice young stars to his old gods and this is why it's naive to take Punk to task for "shitting on the business that made his name to begin with".


You're totally right that
>the company was reluctant to push either of them. But by hook
>or by crook both did get their pushes because the fans
>demanded it. (It may sound like a Hunter-spun yarn, but the
>company really does listen when the mob becomes vocal enough;
>the kind of passionate expression that helped Punk and Bryan
>is the same kind of passionate expression that appropriately
>prevented them from putting the title on Roman Reigns too
>early at WM 31.)

Yes, but even then, when Punk got his push, he was still second fiddle. Cena main evented damn near everything through that entire run. Vince still made sure to make his muscle bound human action figure the face and he still made sure part timers got the top spots in the biggest events. They try to have their cake and eat it too with this. It's rare when we see them actually run with the fan vote in a way that doesn't hedge with Vince's shitty sensibilities.

>The angst in my post comes from a real
>disappointment in both him leaving the way he did and in his
>subsequent behavior following his exit.

I suppose I can rock with that. Personally I ride for his actions because I've been there and I've been the guy fighting for shit everyone else bitches about but doesn't have the balls to step to the Man when the time comes. I've been in that exact position and tried my hand at diplomacy before finally giving up and bugging out. I ride for that guy, whoever he may be.

I mean he railed
>against guys like Batista and Rock using their celebrity to
>shortcut themselves to opportunity...

His issue wasn't THEM though. It was Vince and his over reliance on them and his insistence on giving those older guys the nod over his young stars instead of elevating his young stars to that level.


>but there's no other 37
>year old 0-0 welterweight in the world who could make his pro
>MMA debut in the UFC. So there's a pot calling the kettle
>black thing there.

Not at all. It's not like he's main eventing. It's not like he's taking a major opponent at a major event. He's not just showing up and taking a spot. He's training and taking his time and some young dude might be able to get a little shine off this in a real way. He networked and leveraged his stature into an opportunity the same way most of us do anyways, he just did it on a higher level. But to say this even remotely parallels Vince's insistence on propping his company up on old part time guys year after year and actively choosing to place a ceiling on his current crop in favor of the old guard doesn't jive with the details.

He's also gone on to call wrestling fake
>and insult people who, understandably, bring up his past as a
>pro wrestler. That's lame.

I gotta see these statements in context. I know he's surly to talk to. That is what it is. It's valid criticism but i have to see the 'wrestling is fake thing' for myself.

  

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167. "If you were a kid you'd be so excited for Roman to win at Mania"
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170. "even kids aren't as crazy about him as they were about Cena though n/m"
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171. "Not yet, but Cena's empire wasn't built in a year"
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174. "true, but Roman was protected specifically because they thought"
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the push would catch on immediately.

  

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177. "Really sad to hear the news..."
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I'm unbelievably happy for him having had his Mania moment though! Hope he sticks around in some capacity and doesn't just vanish from our screens.

I can actually see him doing a big run-in in the Mania main event and costing HHH the win to Reigns. Definite way to get a huge pop for Reigns at the show's finish.

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172. "the details of dbry's injuries are quite alarming"
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sidenote: i wonder how Coach feels about doing interviews about wrestling for espn

Coach then asks about how Bryan found out about his career being over, and Bryan says he went to New York for some EEG tests, and this one measured electrical brain activity while doing reflex testing. Bryan says it’s a newer form of the test, but he wanted evidence to support his petition to come back to wrestling. Bryan says his other EEG and MRI test were great, but this one showed he had some slowing, and evidence of “a small or subacute or chronic lesions” in the area of his brain that causes seizures. Bryan says he has had post-concussion seizures that he hid and it was unknown why, but now they found out something to link the symptoms. Bryan says he’s learned that you need to report concussions, and you need to heal your brain before returning to a contact sport like wrestling or football.

Read more at http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/672599-espns-wwe-off-the-top-rope-recap-daniel-bryan-talks-about-retirement-explains-more-about-his-injuries-and-concussion-testing#WrIyHYPLRzkEy0TV.99

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173. "Coach is the entire reason espn is covering wwe"
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By all accounts this relationship is a pet project of his.

  

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175. "Titus Suspended for 90 days (report)"
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SWIPE http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=99695

WWE star Titus O'Neil was sent home from last night's Smackdown taping in Portland, Oregon shortly after he arrived. The word we are getting is that O'Neil has been suspended for "unprofessional conduct."

During the ending of last night's Raw taping in Seattle, Washington, a number of WWE personalities and staff were assembled on the stage in honor of the retiring Bryan Danielson. At the end of that segment, which aired on Raw before going live on the WWE Network, Danielson returned to the locker room after passing through the center of the assembled WWE personnel.

As WWE talents returned to the back, O'Neill grabbed WWE owner Vince McMahon in what was described to us as in a "playful, physical way." McMahon responded by shoving O'Neil away. McMahon's shove of O'Neill actually made it onto the final seconds of the broadcast. We are told that McMahon was angry at being grabbed and that led to the suspension.

When O'Neil arrived at Smackdown, he was informed he was going sent home. The word making the rounds is that the suspension could be for upwards of 90 days. That would put O'Neil out of action through May, which means he would be missing Wrestlemania 32.

O'Neil, 39, signed with WWE in 2009 and is best known as one half of the Prime Time Players, although he's been used most recently in a singles role. He's been very active in local community outreach where he lives in Tampa. O'Neil had lost to Adam Rose earlier during the Raw broadcast.

Last night, the WWE Network exclusive video of Bryan Danielson's farewell was removed from Youtube and WWE.com as well as the WWE Network. It is likely that WWE is going to edit the snippet at the end out before restoring the videos.







WHAT THE FUCK?

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176. "Oh dear..."
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Never ever get too comfortable at work!

I never really saw a big push for him but his charity work was getting good praise and attention so hope that isn't affected.

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178. "I thought to myself "Do they have that kind of relationship?""
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>
>As WWE talents returned to the back, O'Neill grabbed WWE owner
>Vince McMahon in what was described to us as in a "playful,
>physical way." McMahon responded by shoving O'Neil away.
>McMahon's shove of O'Neill actually made it onto the final
>seconds of the broadcast. We are told that McMahon was angry
>at being grabbed and that led to the suspension.

  

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They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

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181. "So much for Black history month"
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____
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They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

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179. "something going through my head last few days:"
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there's no way Benoit didn't suffer from severe CTE. Was this ever documented???

  

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180. "RE: something going through my head last few days:"
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070905224343.htm

  

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186. "yep"
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this was out there, not too long after IIRC

  

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182. "Back surgery for Punk, UFC debut pushed back again"
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http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/story/ufc-cm-punk-headed-for-back-surgery-ufc-debut-delayed-again-021016

At this point I'd be kinda amazed if it happens at all.

  

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183. "Hes 37, maybe this isn't gonna work"
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185. "Ryback letting it burn slow"
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https://twitter.com/Ryback22/status/697613596251914240

  

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184. "Did Bryan suffer a seizure in his last match?"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZAQvc2pAE&feature=youtu.be

Skip to 2 minutes in, knowing what we know now this is kind of difficult to watch seeing as how it was his last match. You can tell it was not supposed to just end there by Sheamus trying twice to get him up then just taking the countout.

  

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187. "Yikes "
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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188. "shit"
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189. "Brie Bella retiring / Wade Barrett chuckin the deuces to the WWE"
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add Bad News Barrett to the pile of gimmicks the WWE didnt take advantage of.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/wade-barret-not-renewing-his-contract.401355/


imma miss looking at Brie even tho she wasnt shit in the ring. i always at least thought she was really pretty. but if Nikki cant come back from her neck surgery and Bryan is done there's no reason for her to stay.

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196. "Man, if Wade's shoulder wasn't made of papier-mache . . . "
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200. "Barrett should've had a title run."
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I get that he's had his injury problems, but he was one of the most believable tough guys in the organisation. Sad to see him go.

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190. "Cena bout to make another recovery in record time too (lol)"
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https://twitter.com/JohnCena/status/699194494768586752

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191. "Say what you want about SuperCena and LOLCENAWINS"
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but there's a reason the WWE has made Cena the top guy for a decade. He lives and breathes not this industry or the sport of wrestling, he lives and breathes WWE. He is the ultimate company man. They need him bad for Mania and when Vince needs him he's gonna do everything only he possibly can do be there.

Everybody wants X or Y or Z to be the champion and to build the company around. But they think WWE begins at 8pm eastern time on Monday nights, ends at 11:10 and then one Sunday every month. It's literally a near 24/7/365 job for THE guy, and most of those dudes on the roster would grow tired of it real quick. Not Cena.

  

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192. "I don't think there are many people who actually hate Cena himself"
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They hate what the company has become around him and how they use him.

Nobody doubts how much he loves and does for the business. You absolutely need guys like him. He is exactly what they want to be in this era, the biggest issue as always is that the IWC in general is not the core audience and we kind of struggle to deal with that after spending most of our lives as the core audience.

  

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194. "Yes but Real Life Cena is why Kayfabe Super Cena exists"
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For their top guy they need somebody who can be that 24/7/365er, and John Cena is that person. So you shouldn't even hate Kayfabe Cena, you should just hate the fact that in 2016 the WWE is a brand beyond Monday nights and much to all of our dismay giving us entertaining pro wrestling isn't one of their main concerns because they no longer believe that to be the way to make money.

  

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195. "I can't take credit for this idea, but I read this a few years ago:"
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Either here or somewhere else, someone said that CM Punk and Dolph Ziggler would've been even better in the Attitude era where a guy could have a nastier edge or in Dolph's case take more dangerous bumps.

Someone else countered that point by saying that the only guy in this era who could have obviously gotten over huge in the Attitude Era was Cena; he has the build and natural charisma of Rock and Hunter and Austin and could've really unleashed on the mic. I remember thinking "wow, that's actually true." I mean can we say with certainty that even Randy Orton is a top guy in the Attitude Era? Maybe he is, but maybe he's just Billy Gunn too - a guy with the look and in ring skill set who falls just short of really connecting. Cena is really the only sure fire answer to "Which present day star could've also been a top guy in the Attitude Era?"

  

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197. "He would have been over in any era"
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He has a great look and great charisma.

They strapped him with a kid friendly gimmick because that is what they need, but he would have found his way to the top in most eras.

I don't know that he would have been a Rock/Austin level, but that's also because I struggle to imagine him with that kind of gimmick.

Also worth noting nobody would have cared that he only had 5 moves in that era.

  

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198. "yeah the rapper gimmick probably woulda worked in the attitude era"
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particularly '98-'00, considering you had the likes of road dogg and godfather.

cena probably would've stayed a heel for a lot longer, though, and maybe never made it out of the upper midcard/past the IC belt (owen/jericho) since the roster was so stacked.

i always took his gimmick to be a rib on eminem.

  

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199. "orton's lack of charisma certainly would've handicapped him"
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would've needed a different finisher too, since DDP was so over in dubya-see-dubya.

  

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308. "Nah I think his vicious streak and size would have closed the gap"
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Plus he can cut some mean ass promos sometimes. I think he'd have a legit shot in that era, but I definitely see where he'd have some challenges. He's a deceptively big motherfucker and could get awfully vile during his field-goal-with-your-head phase.

I think he'd be fine with the RKO too. I think it's reasonable conjecture that Vince would have given him an extra bit of push because of DDP's popularity.

I absolutely think Dolph would have thrived though.

  

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193. "His elbow was the size of a basketball and he was back in like 2 months"
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there's just no way he's not on something.

  

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201. "Fastlane predictions?"
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Brock vs. Reigns vs. Ambrose
>Reigns pins Ambrose following Wyatts attacking Brock.

Divas: Brie Bella vs. Charlotte
>Charlotte.

IC: Dolph Ziggler vs. Kevin Owens
>The only match I can't call. Ziggler's pinned Owens twice so make of that what you will.

US title: Alberto Del Rio vs. Kalisto
>Why this is a pre-show match is beyond me?! I'll pick Alberto though.

AJ Styles vs. Chris Jericho
>AJ perhaps leading to Jericho's full heel turn.

Show/Ryback/Kane vs. Wyatts
>Wyatts obviously.

Sasha & Becky vs. Tamina & Naomi
>Sasha & Becky.

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202. "I have to say, they've made this triple threat very interesting"
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>Brock vs. Reigns vs. Ambrose

The initial booking was weird and I still predict Reigns winning, but this is way more up in the air than I was expecting. Maybe that was just to get the focus off of Reigns vs. Authority so that'd it would stay fresh, but goddamn if they didn't make everyone look believable.

I still see Wrestlemania as Brock/Bray, Aitch/Reigns, and Ambrose doing something else and I wouldn't hate that at all, but wouldn't a heel turn leading to a Reigns/Dean match be more interesting? I mean it's not awesome to have a part-timer win the belt, but Lesnar/Aitch will always entertain and there's much worse ways they could go storyline-wise. Reigns could always have his real coronation at Summerslam.

>
>Divas: Brie Bella vs. Charlotte
Charlotte

>IC: Dolph Ziggler vs. Kevin Owens
Owens

>US title: Alberto Del Rio vs. Kalisto
Kalisto just because the switching is getting old.

>AJ Styles vs. Chris Jericho
Jericho wins dirty to set up the WM rematch. Been enjoying this feud too btw. And The Miz has been great in the middle of all this.

>Show/Ryback/Kane vs. Wyatts
Wyatts.

>Sasha & Becky vs. Tamina & Naomi
Sasha & Becky.

  

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203. "RE: I have to say, they've made this triple threat very interesting"
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I think someone said this earlier but I'd like to have seen Ambrose look a little stronger going in against Brock. His rope-a-dope angle is cool but all he's done is low-blow Brock from behind.

I wonder if Brock is precious about his own booking (in that he doesn't like selling or putting people over) or is he a case of "I'm here, where do you want me?"

I've actually enjoyed the US title situation, if anything, for the sheer WTF nature of Kalisto as champ. I love that he blindsided everyone with the wins and 2/3 falls is such a great touch.

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205. "I'm the least biggest fan of low blows"
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but I like that they've built up the "Dean doesn't give a fuck and will take any punishment" angle. Him begging for more after an F5 was great.

>I wonder if Brock is precious about his own booking (in that
>he doesn't like selling or putting people over) or is he a
>case of "I'm here, where do you want me?"

I doubt he cares all that much, but he also knows he has value as a monster, so I doubt that he's crazy about going over clean to small guys.

>I've actually enjoyed the US title situation, if anything, for
>the sheer WTF nature of Kalisto as champ. I love that he
>blindsided everyone with the wins and 2/3 falls is such a
>great touch.

oh damn, I didn't even know that stipulation. they're putting a 2/3 falls match on the preshow???

  

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206. "Exactly..."
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A US title match, 2 out of 3 falls... on the pre-show. Makes no sense so I hope they change that.

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207. "they JUST set up this hodgepodge tag match, why isn't that on it?"
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they actually did a decent job setting it up given one week, but the preshow is MADE for those hodgepodge matches.

  

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204. "Pretty sure they are just doing the same thing as last year"
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Last year everyone was all upset about Roman going on to challenge the champ at Mania, so they gave us Bryan/Roman at Fastlane and made it appear like there was hope that Bryan was gonna pull it off.

Swap Bryan with Ambrose and you got this year's Fastlane.

At least in the process they made Ambrose look like a true main eventer and he's proving that a show where he is the focus is not only a quality show, but one that fans are into as well.

  

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208. ""Y2J" is a play off of "Y2K" which was a late-90s fear..."
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move on Chris.

This dude has become insufferable

  

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209. "also, this match is falling apart."
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211. "I'm enjoying his feud with Styles a lot"
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A couple botches/timing off in the match tonight, but overall I thought it was a good match.

  

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210. "cringe-inducing New Day/Edge and Christian segment"
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213. "And then they did a cool-down match AFTER that"
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217. "I was looking forward to it but you're right, it wasn't good."
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218. "RE: I was looking forward to it but you're right, it wasn't good."
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Well done to the ladies on the opening tag match. The crowd were into it and it came off well.

KO/Dolph also had a great match.

Not sure how I felt about the main event. Ambrose came off terribly against Brock - I thought they'd play his can't-keep-me-down card a little stronger in the match.

Stumped as to how Mania plays out from here. Through no fault of Reigns, it doesn't seem like he can win the crowd over so I'm curious as to what they can do to turn the tide.

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212. "man are they hellbent on Reigns or what. Sheesh."
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Nobody in that arena wanted that guy to win hahaha

  

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214. "Caldwell from PWTorch:"
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WWE doesn't get it. Super Reigns surviving kimura lock and 5 chair shots to quickly get a win = fueling the anger.

  

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215. "RE: man are they hellbent on Reigns or what. Sheesh."
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>Nobody in that arena wanted that guy to win hahaha

It's almost like they are booking him into a turn. They can't think that he's gonna be over with the way they've done this. They have a month to make HHH a horrendous guy that everyone will want to see lose. I have a feeling they're gonna try to make HHH look strong and oops...it's gonna work and he's gonna get cheered something fierce.

  

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216. "WWE are painted in a corner again..."
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Reigns won't get the cheers at Mania so, AGAIN, it won't end how they planned it to. Not sure what they can do to change things this time.

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219. "RE: WWE are painted in a corner again..."
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>Reigns won't get the cheers at Mania so, AGAIN, it won't end
>how they planned it to. Not sure what they can do to change
>things this time.

It sucks because I don't think it is all on him. He DOES have some limits with the way WWE wants their bigtime faces to be mixes of all of the past stars (Hulk, Austin, Rock, and Cena), but a big athletic kid like him shouldn't be getting booed. That's on WWE for effin up his storytelling.

It depends on how strong the boos are over the next month. Otherwise, I think they're gonna go through with it and count on the undercard to handle it.

  

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220. "Has the Wyatt Family ever won a match?"
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Jesus.

  

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221. "Remember when they had amazing Trios matches with The Shield?"
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Good times, man. Good times . . .

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222. "I remember *an* amazing Trios match with The Shield."
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There was a match. Not matches. But yeah, it was a great one.

  

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223. "I feel like they had a Raw match months later"
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but whatever, it's tough to even care about them at this point.

  

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224. "In fairness, they destroyed Dudleyz, Dreamer & Rhyno"
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A few times, didn't they?

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225. "Nakamura lands in WWE (link)"
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this is surreal hahaha

http://uproxx.com/prowrestling/shinsuke-nakamura-wwe/

  

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228. "I don't seem him translating well at allllll on the main roster"
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But I hope I'm wrong.

  

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226. "also, if this is true, Mania is saved (link)"
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http://rajah.com/node/50952

I've said several times I'm not crazy about Ambrose's character, but he'll bump his balls off against Brock

  

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227. "RE: also, if this is true, Mania is saved (link)"
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>http://rajah.com/node/50952
>
>I've said several times I'm not crazy about Ambrose's
>character, but he'll bump his balls off against Brock


I'm down with this^^^^^^

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230. "Mania will be fine, even if the main event isnt"
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But this match will be exciting for sure.

  

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252. "Ambrose vs Lesnar in a street fight definitely has potential."
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It will still be Brock ass raping his opponent but it has a chance now.

  

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231. "Brock dominating yet another guy to a ridiculous degree will save Mania?"
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Another 12 minute round of suplexes is exciting to people?

This is a terrible decision.
Actually, everything involving Brock is terrible since all these matches make everyone else look like children by comparison.

No thanks.

  

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232. "yea, I just think it would be entertaining..."
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234. "Cool. I think the way they book him is an overall detriment. "
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235. "Cool. I think the way they book him is an overall detriment. "
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233. "The Lesnar problem is directly correlated to the Roman problem"
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The initial plan was for Lesnar to end the streak, go on to destroy Daniel Bryan at SummerSlam, taking the belt and becoming the biggest heel probably ever for squashing the biggest babyface in 15 years, eventually setting up a showdown with Roman at WrestleMania where Roman would slay the unstoppable beast, avenging the destruction of Daniel Bryan and becoming the biggest hero in the company.

Well, Daniel Bryan got hurt so Cena took his place, and as a result Lesnar looked probably like even more of a bad ass, however he wasn’t even close to being hated. He became the cool badass that eventually was a borderline face.

Meanwhile, Roman didn’t get over. When it came time for Roman, the big hero, to slay the beast, the beast was more liked than Roman. They called an audible (Seth cashed) and decided to wait another year.

So over that year as they build up Roman (again) they need to keep Brock as the unbeatable force. They need to milk him beating the streak for two more matches with Taker, which means Taker needs to win the first. Unfortunately, Brock needed to stay unbeatable so he has to lose in some weird “he submitted / no he didn’t” finish, and then go on to beat Taker in a cell to make sure everyone knows Brock is still the beast.

And here we are again. The “Brock Lesnar is an unbeatable monster” angle is still going, but Roman isn’t even close to being ready to beating him. So the WWE is either going to do two things from here:

1. Wait until Roman is over (he will never be) and finally pull the trigger
2. Give up and let someone else be the one to conquer the conquerer

  

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236. "If they turned Reigns heel "
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And pushed him to the moon for a year, people would love him at the end of that year. Give him a mouthpiece and have him be a bully. He'd be a Sheamus type that actually has charisma. They have such a hard on for making comparisons between he and the Rock, well here's a natural one; people don't like this guy, so flip him and see what's there because the happy baby face isn't working.

They should've turned him in the Survivor Series final. A heel Reigns vs a baby Ambrose is such an obvious money program I don't get it.

  

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261. "False. It correlates directly to Vince’s refusal to change course."
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False. It correlates directly to Vince’s refusal to change course.

There’s no Reigns “problem”.

There’s only a Vince problem, and that problem is fueled by the fact that he’s an out of touch old codger who hates change and despises anything that doesn’t fit his badly outdated perception of what constitutes a superstar. This problem is fueled by the fact that he will not alter course on something that is failing miserably.
This problem is fueled by Vince’s refusal to actually listen to the fans and adjust accordingly.

This problem is fueled by Vince’s insistence on building The Guy instead of following the blueprint of his greatest success, when he built The Guy(s) and had a top 6 that were all built to very high levels and maintained a measure of integrity in their characters.
This problem exists because Vince has a hard on for athletic, muscular big men above all else and a desire for people to shut up and eat what he feeds them as opposed to a desire to feed people what they want.

If Vince were more flexible, there’s no way to create contrived scenario after contrived scenario of ridiculous odds for Reigns to overcome, which means he wouldn’t need to build Brock the way a Dragon Ball writer builds ridiculously overpowered builds foes for Goku/Reigns to beat by becoming even more ridiculously overpowered.
You know, like spending two minutes in a Komura applied by Brock, standing up, taking three chair shots, and eating a fucking senzu bean bean for magically reviving and killing his opponent with one magical Spearit Bomb.

  

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303. "Well, yeah, but in general right now the iteration of the "Vince problem..."
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that we are currently on is the Reigns problem.

  

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309. "Agreed. I just think that distinction has a difference in this case"
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229. "http://i.imgur.com/H2AdIs8.gif"
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http://i.imgur.com/H2AdIs8.gif

  

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237. "Holy shit that is the biggest surprise in years"
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Shane O Mac out of nowhere.

NO idea what he is even here for but WM season is automatically exciting.

  

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238. "I so rarely watch this shit live"
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I'm so glad I did

  

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240. "The dude on Reddit showed up tonight after 8 months away"
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and said no matter how bad last night was, you'll want to watch tonight from start to finish.

  

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244. "I asked for it at the Rumble..."
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I was a month early

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255. "I never thought he was coming back"
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>Shane O Mac out of nowhere.
>
>NO idea what he is even here for but WM season is
>automatically exciting.

  

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239. "my god @ the crowd reaction."
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i always thought i was just kinda weird to be a big fan of Shane on-screen

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258. "Why? Dude is money on the mic and takes insane risks in the ring."
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Plus that Ali shuffle is dope.

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241. "Shane vs Taker at Mania in HIAC. Damn sure aint see that coming!"
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ehhhhhh

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242. "LOL this match is cracking me up"
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The entire idea of it

  

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245. "it's interesting. It's more interesting than any Wyatt v Taker"
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or really anyone they could've put in there against Taker.

Kayfabe-wise, it's quite simple. Vince knows Taker is virtually unstoppable at Mania, Taker is too prideful to lose at Wrestlemania, and Shane has real stakes.

I did think Shane was going to simply ref the main event, and was really looking forward to his staredown against Hunter. They could've gone announcer-less for 5 minutes with an Aitch/Shane face-to-face

  

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243. "did Vince say "fuck" ???"
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That guy is a sociopath man hahahaha God I hate how much I can love this shit

  

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246. "Damn doggs this show is lit af"
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247. "I just looked at my clock and saw it was 9:30 already"
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usually when I see that it's 9:30 it already feels like 11:15.

  

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248. "aaaaaand right on cue they book Sheamus v Reigns"
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I swear you could hear the crowd collectively groan

  

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249. "Edit: Reigns got color, and it looks like on purpose"
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264. "it was a fake blood packet"
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https://gfycat.com/WavyContentAmoeba

  

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250. "triple h just ANNIHILATED reigns...to raucous applause."
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please do something else wwe. the fans would rather see motherfuckin triple h win than roman.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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251. "yup, let HHH win and face authority figure shane end his reign"
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with an actual over babyface the crowd likes fighting for shane

  

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253. "The only way HHH could get booed at this point is to be nice to Roman "
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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256. "lol"
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257. "I was thinking about ways they could book the ending to please the crowd"
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I landed on the finger poke of doom scenario.

Either the crowd would pop huge for Reigns turning heel, or they would get super how could you do this heat and at least be getting booed for doing something bad instead of people hating their face champion.

  

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254. "That was the best Raw in forever"
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last night's Raw kicked off with the hottest angle in recent memory, and the angle has a lot going for it - a returning star, real stakes, Hell in a Cell.

Heyman was especially on, selling a big match like only he can. They've been telling me for a year that Ambrose is crazy and every time they say it I roll my eyes. But a guy actively taking the fight to Brock Lesnar IS crazy, and the match has huge potential given the no holds barred stip.

They're gonna do all they can with Reigns/Hunter, and "all they can" appears to mean even bringing back blade jobs. I'm fine with it. Again, SHOW me they hate each other, quit telling me. If they know what they're doing Reigns will be on a bloodthirsty warpath. I'm still indifferent about the match, but when push comes to shove and they over book the hell out of this thing and Seth Rollins makes his inevitable run-in and the Shield reunites to put Hunter through a table, this will probably be more entertaining than we expected.

in summary, a really hot show appropriately kicked off "the road to Wrestlemania". Through most of that show there was a palpable tension, a dangerous "what's next?" feeling. Here's hoping they can keep the momentum going.

Now the question is, what other matches should they add? If Cena is back in time, I'm always happy to watch Cena vs Owens run it back, and I think the IC is the only title Cena never won.

  

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260. "I watched a lot of smoke, mirrors, crutches, and props. "
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>last night's Raw kicked off with the hottest angle in recent
>memory, and the angle has a lot going for it - a returning
>star, real stakes, Hell in a Cell.

It kicked of with a completely absurd match proposal and yet another McMahon in yet another retread of the ‘McMahon A is an evil bad guy and the absent McMahon B shows up to stop him/her! “.

Yeah, I’ve seen that show. McMahon B eventually goes heel and repeats the sins of McMahon A. That’s where Shane will be this time next year.

So exciting. What a hot angle. Of course. It’s a repeat.

>Heyman was especially on, selling a big match like only he
>can.

Heyman was exactly what he always is. There was nothing standout about that. Heyman as a character is standout, but there was nothing special here. This was indistinguishable from any other Heyman promo in the last three years.

>They've been telling me for a year that Ambrose is crazy
>and every time they say it I roll my eyes.

They’ve said that since he debuted.

>But a guy actively
>taking the fight to Brock Lesnar IS crazy, and the match has
>huge potential given the no holds barred stip.

I dunno if you’ve seen Brock Lesnar matches, but nobody actually takes the fight to him unless they’re punching him in the nuts or attacking him from behind in a triple threat, where Brock always loses but never takes the pin. The only potential this match has is Dean will actually get a few shots in and there is minimal hope that Dean might actually be competitive if he can legally run Brock over with a truck.

Other than that? This is going to be 13 minutes of dean getting the living shit kicked out of him, dean getting in a few cheap shots, and Brock laughing off most of Deans offense.

So much to look forward to there.

>They're gonna do all they can with Reigns/Hunter, and "all
>they can" appears to mean even bringing back blade jobs. I'm
>fine with it.

Watching them double down on something that is not working is hardly something to get excited about. It’s hilarious to see so many people get hyped over blood in an otherwise creatively lazy void. I guess people really are that simple. It’s nothing more than a crutch to prop up a creative direction that amounts to a bowl of salted dog shit. “all they can” here is putting lipstick on a pig in hopes that enough people are basic enough to go slack jawed at the sight of the pretty color of blood.

>in summary, a really hot show appropriately kicked off "the
>road to Wrestlemania". Through most of that show there was a
>palpable tension, a dangerous "what's next?" feeling. Here's
>hoping they can keep the momentum going.

I’m sure we’ll get more the same smoke, mirrors, crutches and props we saw last night en route to a rather predictable, uninspired paint by numbers affair disguised as Wrestlemania.

>Now the question is, what other matches should they add? If
>Cena is back in time, I'm always happy to watch Cena vs Owens
>run it back, and I think the IC is the only title Cena never
>won.

Who cares.

I'm not saying that as snark to you. But really.... who cares? Should we care? I don't see any reason to emotionally invest in anyone on this roster.

We have Taker, Shane, HHH, Steph, Jericho, Hell In A Cell, an ECW Hardcore Match, and a likely Dudley Boys tag match occupying the bulk of this card. Sure, Jericho and the Dudleys don't have matches announced just yet... but they're coming.

The selling points of this are basically the template for an Over The Limit or Backlash card or some shit. I don’t think anything else on this card really matters.

Thank god it’s its on the network for ten bucks I'm already spending.

Can’t be mad at that.

  

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259. "OMG. EXCITING! ANOTHER MCMAHON! YES! YES! YES!"
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HOLY SHIT THEY JUST BROUGHT BACK YET ANOTHER ATTITUDE ERA RELIC!

ANOTHER MCMAHON AT THAT!!!!!!

WHAT A FUCKING GAME CHANGER!!!

I refuse to believe Shane is the Taker match this year and I won’t believe it until Mania is over. If they do that match and Shane is in that ring across from Taker and the cell comes down, I won’t fucking believe it until that match is over. I fully expect a curveball somewhere down this road.

Just to be clear, I like Shane. This could and SHOULD signify a major directional shift. Vince has acknowledged ‘dirt sheet’ whispers on consecutive nights. The first was his comment toward Christian on the E&C show and last night they did a little shooting with Shane bringing up low ratings and the rash of injuries. That and the fact that they seemed to open up Reigns on purpose seems to indicate a level of awareness we haven’t seen on screen in awhile.

I like Shane matches. They’re fun, they’re exciting and I’ve always felt he did an excellent job in his role as a defacto ECW wrestler.

He’s also an excellent on screen character. He can cut promos, he can carry a talking segment well, and yeah, him being a McMahon counter-balance has some gravitas to it. Of course, WWE has done very little to inspire any sort of faith in their long term planning. By SummerSlam, Shane will have turned heel. Or this whole thing was a swerve to further cement the McMahons as the veritable ‘Whole Fucking Show’ and Taker gets screwed at Mania.

The ONLY long term discipline shown by Vince in the last few years lie in his everlasting boner for Reigns, making sure Hunter and Steph eat the fucking soul of everyone they encounter, making sure Brock hoes out everyone in his path, making sure Cena keeps a stranglehold on that top slot, and making sure Show and Kane continue to have significant screen time for insignificant storylines.

The biggest problem here is that this is just one more in a long line of shining examples of Vince’s reluctance to allow the younger (in WWE years) guys to establish themselves in a way that can allow them to grow to a point where they can carry the brand.

The fact that it’s Shane compounds this problem…..Gee, what an inspired choice, another McMahon. On a show long dominated by McMahons and McMahon flunkies.

Mania is shaping up to be king of all retreads.

-Yet another Taker vs Old/Part Time Guy. Except this time…. He’s MOAR part time.

-Yet another Brock Buttfucking Bonanza. THIS TIME WITH WEAPONS!! EEE CEE DUB!! EEE CEE DUB!!

-MOAR MCMAHON!!!!

-MOAR HUNTER!!!! MOAR FORCE-FED FACE FANS FUCKING HATE!! Will likely include a special guest ref who likely has no real connection to this!
-MOAR ROCK!!!! MOAR GAY JOKES, MISOGYNY, AND DATED CATCH PHRASES!!!
-MOAR DUDLEYS!! BECAUSE WHY THE FUCK NOT!!!

May as well dig up the corpse of May Young so Mark Henry can fuck it while Hunter and Kane watch. That way they can kill two nostalgia birds with one dead horse.

May as well just call this Over The Edge or Deadly Game or Unforgiven or whatever the fucklate 90’s b-list PPV.

Even if the show turns out to be solid or even good, it’s still little more than a billboard that shouts “MAN THINGS WERE GREAT BACK IN THE DAY! REMEMBER WHEN…..?”. In fact, if the show is a success, that portends even less change and we will see Vince dig his heels in with McMahons and Corpses of Manias Past.

The only young guy in this mix getting any real tick is Reigns and the fans are rabidly against him now. Shit I fucking LIKE Reigns. I think a massive piece of the negative reactions he gets are ridiculous and unwarranted. It’s crystal clear to me that this shit ain’t working though and it’s past time to call an audible. They shit the bed by doubling down on the one guy fans thoroughly rejected instead of showing some sense of inspiration and elevating people crowds clearly respond well too…. Like Owens and Ambrose. But no. We get hunter. Again. Yay.

What a sizzling mountain of dog shit. What’s worse is seeing that there are fans who actually think any of this is good by any measure. Way to ensure even more out of touch, tone deaf, half assed material for the next five years.

  

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265. "What do you honestly want them to do?"
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They are all in on Reigns and we all wish they weren't. Let's move away from that one because it is what it is and we all feel the same. Also though I'd rather see HHH vs Reigns than HHH vs Sting or HHH vs Taker like we've been seing the last few years (save WM 30)

But like what else do you want this Mania to involve?

Bryan? Cesaro? Rollins? Any other of the way too many injured stars?

We'll get Kevin Owens in some kind of match that will be enjoyable, maybe vs AJ? Or maybe a giant ladder match like last year.

Ambrose and Lesnar will be a good match. Again, what do you want them to do with Brock? You seem to be mad at how he just beats the shit out of people, but that is kind of his thing. This match allows the idea of crazy vs strength which is always a classic, the crazy guy always adds a question mark and still makes memorable moments. Think Jeff Hardy vs Taker which was an underrated feud.

Who do you want Taker to fight? Other than Kevin Owens what Undertaker match would make you happy, not involve older guys, and be realistic?

Nobody is calling this Mania perfect, but your post is overdramatic for sure. I think they are doing a good job of piecing something together with the skeleton crew they currently have. I think they are relying less on part timers than normal, especially given that the Shane thing is a much longer term storyline than typical for the part time guys.

  

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266. "Maybe I'm not creative enough to book Brock a different way"
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But when you've got a guy with credentials like Brock's - a legitimate badass who's won an NCAA title and UFC championship - it makes a little more sense than when they try to warm up a heel Big Show every 18 months.

  

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271. "What does Big Show have to do with this?"
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>But when you've got a guy with credentials like Brock's - a
>legitimate badass who's won an NCAA title and UFC championship
>- it makes a little more sense than when they try to warm up a
>heel Big Show every 18 months.

What does this have to do with anything.

The fact that it makes more sense to book Brock like this than it does to book Big Show like this doesn't make any sense within the context of the criticism at hand.

I mean, yeah, you're right, but that has no bearing on the fact that Brock is being booked strong in a way that makes it unbelievable that anyone could possibly beat him one on one without cheating. Everyone looks incredibly weak by comparison.

That's the issue. Not whether or not it makes sense to book Big Show in an equally absurd way.

  

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267. "Agreed, the pessimists need to take a breath here"
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Ambrose will almost certainly lose, but this shows why a strictly wins/losses view fails to see the whole picture. A loss to Lesnar can and will look better than a meaningless win against someone else. Even if the original plan was for him to retain the IC title vs. someone else... was that gonna get him over anymore than being a crazy guy who takes ALL the punishment from the Beast? Unlikely. This has much more potential for hyping Dean later in the same way that Mankind's HIAC bumps were important to his legacy. He took a loss in that match and it didn't matter in the long run.

>Who do you want Taker to fight? Other than Kevin Owens what
>Undertaker match would make you happy, not involve older guys,
>and be realistic?

Right, if it's not Owens or Cena, (the only two decent matches that were potentially on the table), then why not go with a story that will shake things up? HIAC matches don't have to be technical masterpieces, and Shane fights like a crazy person. It does have some potential to entertain. They have a lot of work to do to explain the story, but they also have weeks to do that. Fuck it, I'm hyped so far.

  

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268. "this is the biggest spot for Ambrose other than the title match"
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270. "i have to admit it's weird from a ticket sales standpoint"
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they're in panic mode so I didn't see this coming, but goddamn am I glad they're putting him in a big spot. I barely even care if he gets a move in. Just keep eating moves and begging for more and I'll mark the fuck out.

  

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272. "Pessimists? No. Realists. "
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>Ambrose will almost certainly lose, but this shows why a
>strictly wins/losses view fails to see the whole picture.

Who is arguing for or against a win?
Who is arguing based strictly on wins and losses?
I’m arguing the “how”, not the “what”.

>loss to Lesnar can and will look better than a meaningless win
>against someone else.

No. Not the way they’ve been booking it. I’m not arguing against Brock winning or being dominant.
You’re missing my point entirely. It’s not that they book him stronger than his opponents. That’s what they should be doing.

It’s they book him *too* strongly against his opponents. Instead of guys looking strong and giving Brock a challenge, everyone is child’s play.

That type of loss doesn’t do anyone any good unless there’s a fluke fan response ala Bryan after his 18 second L to Sheamus.

This has much more
>potential for hyping Dean later in the same way that Mankind's
>HIAC bumps were important to his legacy. He took a loss in
>that match and it didn't matter in the long run.

Yeah, because that’s the best and only way to get a guy over.

No. That’s the laziest way to go about getting him over.

To hell with creative storytelling, booking the guy to have a strong fighting spirit, and allowing him to appear strong in a way that doesn’t involve taking insane bumps that nobody in WWE should be taking anymore.

>>Who do you want Taker to fight? Other than Kevin Owens what
>>Undertaker match would make you happy, not involve older
>guys,
>>and be realistic?

Nakamura. Zane. Shit Neville would work for that. Sheamus would deliver a good match here. Del Rio. Rusev. There’s a shit ton of guys that could get that spot. Anyone who thinks Owens or Cena are the only realistic possibilities are just as lazy and empty creatively as Vince.


>Right, if it's not Owens or Cena, (the only two decent matches
>that were potentially on the table), then why not go with a
>story that will shake things up?

AGREED. Why NOT shake things up?

“Shaking things up” certainly isn’t going back to the same well of yesteryear that they do every year. That’s the opposite of shaking things up. Adding yet another McMahon to the upper card mix isn’t shaking anything up, it’s more of the same.

HIAC matches don't have to be
>technical masterpieces, and Shane fights like a crazy person.

That’s not being argued. That’s not an issue that has been cited. This isn’t the issue.

>It does have some potential to entertain.

Cool. It will probably entertain like a motherfucker. Shane matches tend to do that. I'll probably love this match.

yeah, it will entertain. It also helps maintain the status quo and continue the trend of keeping younger talents on the undercard with a heavy focus on long established acts. This is nothing to build on, it's just something to keep treading water. OH BOY CAN'T WAIT.

And The Rock being the center of three straight wrestlemanias was a “rising tide” that was supposed to “lift all boats”.

Boy, the roster sure did benefit from that. So many boats got lifted from that run that Vince no longer needed to pick the bones of bygone relics to generate interest.

Some of you need to apply to write for WWE STAT. You guys are exhibiting just the right amount of lazy, uncreative, uninspired “ideas” I’m sure Vince scours the globe for.

Sure, guys will get a pay day, but everyone would get a bigger pay day if they were allowed to build toward higher spots on the card.

  

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277. "lol this dude said nakamura"
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278. "Yep. That's a fantastic choice. The best available, actually. "
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Nothing in this post is funnier than you laughing at that.

  

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280. "WM is for the casual 1 time a year fan, not for IWC darlings"
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It's always been that way, it's why Butterbean, Floyd Mayweather, LT, Snooki and a million other non wrestlers have been involved.

It's why Hogan can be booked as a host for no reason other than to open the show and go on talk TV circuits.

It's why they have pop performers that nobody in the crowd wants to see.

Nakamura vs Undertaker will not get 1 person who didn't watch wrestling in the last 11 months to tune in. Hell I've watched wrestling my whole life and I barely know shit about him.

You want WWE to cater WM to you rather than catering to the masses, that seems to be the big issue here.

  

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284. "Nakamura wouldn't preclude WWE from adding celebrities"
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Literally everyone and all the elements you just mentioned would be completely unaffected by a Nakamura vs Taker match. It’s a complete non sequitur to suggest that the celebrity element and giving Nakamura the sort of match that would positively make his WWE career are even remotely exclusive to one another.

I'm not understanding all of these little remarks about how I somehow want an indy/NXT booked show or these odd comments about Big Show and whatnot. Are you guys going to actually address any of the things I'm actually saying or will you keep erecting scarecrows to joust with?

Second, we’re talking about a Taker match. Since when was that the spot WWE used for their pop culture bullshit? Further, Nakamura is as credible as they come and would be over in two weeks on either side of the fence. He’d only be relegated to the status of an “IWC darling” because Vince is a petty, crotchety old man who is out of touch with anything outside his personal reality distortion field.


If Vince- and you guys, apparently- actually looked at the big picture, you’d see that incorporating more of these guys with an indy/international name value and blowing them up into major players on the WWE landscape would most likely yield tremendous results in the long term. They’d probably retain a larger portion of their one-and-done Mania subs if they saw fresh, quality talent to entice them to stay instead of the novelty of more Dwayne gay jokes and dated catch phrases.

Vince is like the guy who tries to block every shot into the stands, not control the paint. He wants to lead the league in blocks but not play actual defense. If he were an NBA player you guys would roast the fuck out of him for this strategy. Vince CAN be the guy who blocks shots and dominates the paint but he thinks those higher block numbers are all that matters, not realizing if he blocks the shot AND keeps that shit in play instead of swatting it into the stands every time out his team would be better not just for that one game, but in every game to follow.

Further, you keep insisting I’m on some indy darling shit here but that’s nowhere near the mark.

-I’m asking for Brock to BE THE BEAST, but in a way that doesn’t decimate his opponent. You guys are talking about how great it would be for Ambrose to be the guy who takes a world class ass whooping from Brock. I’m saying it would be great for Ambrose to NOT ONLY take that same ass whooping, but dish out so much that Brock looked vulnerable and beatable….but still win because he IS that badass. Doesn’t hurt Brock in the least but it elevates the other guy in the equation. Brock is MORE of a badass if he can beat guys who can give it back and it keeps the other guy stronger by comparison.
It’s baffling that anyone would take issue with that suggestion. Truly baffling. There’s absolutely no logical argument to the contrary but I’m open to hear such an argument.

-I’m asking for WWE to elevate it’s young guys so that they can actually carry the brand going forward and WWE can stop plugging holes with silly putty every year with old acts whose acts age worse and worse with each passing year.

I’m beside myself that anyone would take issue with that suggestion. There’s absolutely no logical argument to the contrary but I’m open to hear such an argument.

-I’m arguing against MORE McMahons sucking the air and life out of every segment they’re in at the expense of the guy across from them. I’m advocating for the same time, effort, and machinery that’s currently behind keeping Hunter, Steph, and Vince as the centerpiece of every episode of Raw to go toward building actual, full time heels to occupy those slots.

I’m speechless at the notion that anyone would take issue with that suggestion. There’s absolutely no logical argument to the contrary………………………………………….. but I’m open to hear such an argument.
-I’m not advocating against celebrities and a significant pop presence at Mania. It’s

  

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290. "You are doing all the things you say you aren't"
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>Literally everyone and all the elements you just mentioned
>would be completely unaffected by a Nakamura vs Taker match.
>It’s a complete non sequitur to suggest that the celebrity
>element and giving Nakamura the sort of match that would
>positively make his WWE career are even remotely exclusive to
>one another.

In like 3 posts you say you are not suggesting this as a match. But to answer your question. Shane O Mac is not a celebrity but he is going to bring in more WM views on the nostalgia than Nakamura is going to bring in on his technical ability...good long term plan? No, but that's not what WM is about


>
>I'm not understanding all of these little remarks about how I
>somehow want an indy/NXT booked show or these odd comments
>about Big Show and whatnot. Are you guys going to actually
>address any of the things I'm actually saying or will you keep
>erecting scarecrows to joust with?

Well I have addressed each thing, but what happens is you yell at me about what you wish my point was instead, try calming down and seeing my point.

>
>Second, we’re talking about a Taker match. Since when was
>that the spot WWE used for their pop culture bullshit?
>Further, Nakamura is as credible as they come and would be
>over in two weeks on either side of the fence. He’d only be
>relegated to the status of an “IWC darling” because Vince
>is a petty, crotchety old man who is out of touch with
>anything outside his personal reality distortion field.
>

This is fantasy booking, he would be this, he would do this...unless Vince is out of touch...well Vince is out of touch and we know how this will go. I suppose what your point is is that things could have been done better leading up to this point...you're right, nobody is arguing. We are saying the entire company is not going to change in a month.



>Further, you keep insisting I’m on some indy darling shit
>here but that’s nowhere near the mark.

You are fantasy booking WM like an indy darling, and again DON'T GET ME WRONG...I would love your dream matches, I'm simply saying what is realistic in the current environment. I can also post amazing matches I wish happen and explain how it could work, but I know it's fruitless so I'm going to find reasons to enjoy Mania instead.
>
>-I’m asking for Brock to BE THE BEAST, but in a way that
>doesn’t decimate his opponent. You guys are talking about
>how great it would be for Ambrose to be the guy who takes a
>world class ass whooping from Brock. I’m saying it would be
>great for Ambrose to NOT ONLY take that same ass whooping, but
>dish out so much that Brock looked vulnerable and
>beatable….but still win because he IS that badass. Doesn’t
>hurt Brock in the least but it elevates the other guy in the
>equation. Brock is MORE of a badass if he can beat guys who
>can give it back and it keeps the other guy stronger by
>comparison.
>It’s baffling that anyone would take issue with that
>suggestion. Truly baffling. There’s absolutely no logical
>argument to the contrary but I’m open to hear such an
>argument.


I think Brock has been made to look vulnerable and beatable and what we've seen is it usually takes a few guys or some really good wrestlers. They had Reigns on the verge of beating him, They had the Wyatts neutralize him at Rumble, they had Reigns and Ambrose take him out. Your point that someone has to make him look vulnerable 1 on 1 is true, but I also think Ambrose is going to do that before losing.
>
>-I’m asking for WWE to elevate it’s young guys so that
>they can actually carry the brand going forward and WWE can
>stop plugging holes with silly putty every year with old acts
>whose acts age worse and worse with each passing year.
>
>I’m beside myself that anyone would take issue with that
>suggestion. There’s absolutely no logical argument to the
>contrary but I’m open to hear such an argument.


WE ALL AGREE. But what you are saying is that 1 month before mania, these young guys many people don't know should be thrown into the Mania spotlight and that's not going to happen. This is an issue of the last 11 months, not the last few weeks. Nobody here is saying fuck the young guys, we are saying you can't throw Enzo and Cass into Mania and expect it to sell tickets at this point...They should have been brought up at SS or Rumble to make it happen, not in March.
>
>-I’m arguing against MORE McMahons sucking the air and life
>out of every segment they’re in at the expense of the guy
>across from them. I’m advocating for the same time, effort,
>and machinery that’s currently behind keeping Hunter, Steph,
>and Vince as the centerpiece of every episode of Raw to go
>toward building actual, full time heels to occupy those slots.

I agree with this, but I'm also willing to let the Shane story play out because it's new and interesting to me. I have hopes it leads to something good. I'm not willing to react to 1 week of a new story and write it all off.
>
>
>I’m speechless at the notion that anyone would take issue
>with that suggestion. There’s absolutely no logical argument
>to the
>contrary………………………………………….. but
>I’m open to hear such an argument.
>-I’m not advocating against celebrities and a significant
>pop presence at Mania. It’s
>

The issue people have is your attitude and long posts that seem to totally refuse to take anyone elses points in consideration. It's not you against the world here, we all want the same things. Some of us are just more willing than others to accept how it is because we can't change it.

The last 2 Manias we were convinced at this time that they'd be terrible with main events we hated and both times we got swerved. I'm not going to turn on any of this after 1 week of pre mania raw.

  

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>>Literally everyone and all the elements you just mentioned
>>would be completely unaffected by a Nakamura vs Taker match.
>>It’s a complete non sequitur to suggest that the celebrity
>>element and giving Nakamura the sort of match that would
>>positively make his WWE career are even remotely exclusive
>to
>>one another.
>
>In like 3 posts you say you are not suggesting this as a
>match. But to answer your question.

You asked what Taker match would make me happy and be realistic. Nakamura was an answer specifically based on that question. If by “realistic” you mean “something Vince would actually do”, that’s defeating the point since Vince’s terrible predilections are the issue to begin with.

You brought up Mania being a spectacle of celebrity, which I agreed with, and explained why Nakamura wouldn’t impact that direction.

>Shane O Mac is not a
>celebrity but he is going to bring in more WM views on the
>nostalgia than Nakamura is going to bring in on his technical
>ability...good long term plan? No, but that's not what WM is
>about

Yes. He is. We agree. Thing is, Shane can be there and draw money without being in a match against Taker.

As far as good long term planning not being what Mania is about, that’s exactly the problem! It’s 100% about the here and now and that’s a long term problem that we’ve seen play out over years that has turned Mania into Groundhog’s Day starring Whatever Dated Act Vince Can Cram In There.

I think that’s a terrible pattern and it’s only going to get worse until they start using Mania to showcase and build younger stars. They can do that and still maintain the spectacle. The two are not mutually exclusive.

>This is fantasy booking, he would be this, he would do
>this...unless Vince is out of touch...well Vince is out of
>touch and we know how this will go.

You asked what I would like.

My initial post was about how terrible this pattern is and the long term problems that persist as a result, not fantasy booking. YOU opened that door.

You asked what would make me happy. I answered the question you asked.

I suppose what your point
>is is that things could have been done better leading up to
>this point...you're right, nobody is arguing. We are saying
>the entire company is not going to change in a month.

So… why are you arguing that point if you agree? Why not just say “yeah I hear you, it is what is though” or some shit instead of “well what would you like them to do?”?

Obviously I know they *won’t* change in a month.

That doesn’t mean that there aren’t possibilities that exist that could lead to a better Mania show and a better product in the long term, and I don’t see the problem with presenting good ideas in response to a question that directly asks what I think would be good.

>You are fantasy booking WM like an indy darling, and again

No. I answered a question that you asked regarding what I would do.

I also suggested a credible opponent with a massively bombastic persona who would get over like hotcakes if given the proper care (i.e… leave him the fuck alone) that could, would, and frankly SHOULD lead into a quality long term character on the main roster. It’s not like I suggested Adam Cole or some shit. My initial post didn’t do that. I answered a question you asked.

>DON'T GET ME WRONG...I would love your dream matches, I'm
>simply saying what is realistic in the current environment.

You know what’s “realistic” in the “current environment”? ALL THE DUMB SHIT THEY KEEP DOING. Hence my venting post about the dumb shit they keep doing. The only realistic possibilities are whatever tickles Vince’s balls at the moment.

>can also post amazing matches I wish happen and explain how it
>could work, but I know it's fruitless so I'm going to find
>reasons to enjoy Mania instead.

Cool. Complain all year about how awful everything is and when it culminates into the predictable MothBall Mania show, shut down the critical eye. You sound like Road Dogg. Again, my initial post was venting about how they keep relying heavily on stars of the past and how it’s become a self perpetuating issue. NOT FANTASY BOOKING. That came about as a result of the question you presented.

I mean… why bother posting anything but praise and silver linings the rest of the year if this is your ultimate tact? I don’t want to see you post anything remotely critical or posit any ideas on WWE from here on out. After all, nothing is realistic aside from the shit most of us spend most of the year complaining about as it is. So just shut up and enjoy all of it. Right? Because that’s the only real conclusion to draw from this. Why should criticism stop at Mania?

Your point that someone has
>to make him look vulnerable 1 on 1 is true, but I also think
>Ambrose is going to do that before losing.

I’ll happily eat my words and tell you how right you were if that happens. Brocks booking doesn’t support that level of optimism though.

>WE ALL AGREE. But what you are saying is that 1 month before
>mania, these young guys many people don't know should be
>thrown into the Mania spotlight and that's not going to
>happen.

No. I’m not saying that. I’m saying options exist that actually WOULD GET OVER in that time. Even then, when I brought up all the NXT guys, it was sarcastically addressing the implication that there are no options apart from what they’re doing. It was in response to Ceej’s post sarcastically pointing out that they do have a developmental system that COULD be used to shake things up. Point being: Hey, options exist. And options exist on the main roster. NXT doesn’t need to be raided to put something good out there.

Let’s be clear: NOTHING is going to happen apart from the obvious things that Vince has already done.
That’s no reason not to voice frustration with the creative direction and no reason to dismiss good alternative ideas. Like I said… If this is your honest take, you shouldn’t say anything critical or voice any ideas of your own from here on out. The logic of this is basically, “don’t bother saying anything critical because what’s done is done and criticism won’t change it and don’t answer questions about what you would like because what you would like to see because they’re not going to do it.”

Seriously. Read your words. That’s what it boils down to. Way to foster discussion.

>I agree with this, but I'm also willing to let the Shane story
>play out because it's new and interesting to me. I have hopes
>it leads to something good. I'm not willing to react to 1 week
>of a new story and write it all off.

Cool. History doesn’t support optimism here. I’ll gladly, happily eat my words if they actually do something solid with this. I think the most we can realistically hope for is a few briefly inspired choices before quickly settling back into the same old habits. I’m not judging the entirety of the angle based off one night, but I am looking at the big picture backward and forward and forming an opinion on where this is likely to go. That’s not a conclusion, it’s a perception that will change over time as new information comes in.

>The issue people have is your attitude and long posts that
>seem to totally refuse to take anyone elses points in
>consideration.

I don’t take any one else’s points in consideration? I directly respond to those points. I provide counter points. I agree where I agree and explain why I disagree when I disagree. What’s the problem? Where’s the attitude? I have a point, you have a point, I have a counterpoint, you have a counterpoint. That’s called a conversation. Perhaps a passionate debate. But attitude?

My “attitude” is… what, exactly? Articulating disagreements in detail?

God forbid someone enjoy the subject matter enough to take the time and care to articulate their thoughts and engage in a discussion of ideas and perceptions in a way that doesn’t mince words. There’s no name calling, nobody being disrespectful. It’s just pointed discussion that isn’t beating around the bush. If I’m being a dick, please point out where and how and I’ll apologize for that. I dig pro wrestling, love the WWE, and hate what they’re doing to the big picture

It's not you against the world here, we all
>want the same things. Some of us are just more willing than
>others to accept how it is because we can't change it.

I dig pro wrestling, love the WWE, and hate what they’re doing to the big picture. I can enjoy a show in the moment and still see where or how that enjoyable moment is not good in the grand scheme of things. Mania can be a great one-off spectacle and still present big picture problems. God forbid I’m interested enough to discuss it.

  

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302. "Correction: a question pretentious username asked"
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http://www.kayfabenews.com/guy-never-seen-shinsuke-nakamura-overjoyed-impending-wwe-debut/

  

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285. "Cool story. Get at me when you have an actual perspective. "
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A counter argument, an idea, something aside from these trite little missives.

  

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288. "Shane is a good fit for Taker at this stage of the game"
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Taker just can't wrestle anymore. His matches with Brock stand up only because of the story going into them. Technically speaking they were junk. Suplex, suplex, rest, some strikes, rest, suplex, suplex, etc. What kind of match do you think Shinsuke Nakamura, Sami Zayn, fucking NEVILLE (!?!?!) are gonna be able to get out of Taker?

Shane is all about the hardcore/weapons attacks and high risk spots. This is a match that we are just watching to see what the fuck is he/they gonna do next. We're not getting a pro wrestling match here, we're getting entertainment.

My choice for realistic opponents for Undertaker in 2016 (that are wrestlers)? Roman would have been good, but he would need to be (or end up being) the heel in the process, which doesn't look like it's gonna happen anytime soon unfortunately. Ambrose could have been good, but he's already having the same kind of match with Brock.

Whoever it is needs to have a GREAT story behind it, the STORY is way more important than the wrestler at this point. Face it, the only reason we've given a fuck about Taker the for the past 6+ years has been because of the "will he be the one to break the streak?" factor or "holy shit him and Brock are gonna KILL each other!" Well, the streak is broken and Brock is fighting elsewhere on the card, so why do I honestly give a fuck about the Undertaker on April 3rd? Sheamus? Really? Who the fuck gives an utter shit about Sheamus?

So here we are. Shane-O Mac and Taker. I don't know where they are going with it, but I hope Shane wins because that leads to the more interesting story the next night on Raw and the coming months. Obviously they are gonna need some shenanigans along the way, and it'll prob be overbooked like crazy. But, how else does Shane McMahon beat The Undertaker at WrestleMania?

What would I do? NO chance it's happening, but lights go out, Bray and the Wyatts (coming off a win from earlier in the night) are in the cell and take out the Undertaker. They put Shane's (now) lifeless body over Taker and he gets the win. Over time it's revealed that Shane literally made a deal with the devil (Bray) to get control of the company, who was happy to finally put an end to the Undertaker, but Bray has control of Shane. It's Bray's world now, he can finally be booked like a monster manipulator and leader.

  

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292. "RE: Pessimists? No. Realists. "
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>
>It’s they book him *too* strongly against his opponents.
>Instead of guys looking strong and giving Brock a challenge,
>everyone is child’s play.

But it's Wrestlemania, they WILL make Dean look like a challenge by making him not quit. And that still will make him look better than a win over a Ziggler type. if Dean comes out of WM looking better than he did before, mission accomplished.

>Yeah, because that’s the best and only way to get a guy
>over.

you know that's not what I said. why make up shit just to fight with people on this board? it's just wrestling dude.

>No. That’s the laziest way to go about getting him over.

Disagree. the crazy guy who won't quit vs. The indestructible force is almost always a good story, and these two specifically can tell it well.

> To hell with creative storytelling, booking the guy to have a
>strong fighting spirit,

Uhhh, that IS the story of the match. Guy who won't quit = strong fighting spirit.

and allowing him to appear strong in a
>way that doesn’t involve taking insane bumps that nobody in
>WWE should be taking anymore.

Let's be honest here, Dean is pretty limited in the ring. The other option was him defending the IC title, probably against a small flippy guy. That's a match we're likely to forget the day after Wrestlemania.

On the other hand, him getting beat down by a monster and continuing to come back has a lot of potential. This is the first time they've shown him being ACTUALLY crazy, so his character is getting even more over.

>Nakamura. Zane. Shit Neville would work for that.

I assumed we were talking options that could actually happen.

Sheamus
>would deliver a good match here. Del Rio. Rusev.

If these options excite you there's something wrong with you.

>AGREED. Why NOT shake things up?
>
>“Shaking things up” certainly isn’t going back to the
>same well of yesteryear that they do every year.

This isn't a Batista move. People LOVE Shane and never thought he'd come back. Cmon man, you heard that pop. That was real.

Adding yet another McMahon to
>the upper card mix isn’t shaking anything up, it’s more of
>the same.

eh, not this McMahon.

>
>And The Rock being the center of three straight wrestlemanias
>was a “rising tide” that was supposed to “lift all
>boats”.

cool, you can keep all these arguments that none of us are making. The options you laid out are either not exciting or not realistic. There's a reason I didn't list Neville, Zayn, or Nakamura... they're NOT going to happen. Both of us know it. That's not WWE shitting on young talent either. They haven't earned the spot yet. Why would they? It's fucking Taker. I'm not saying Shane is the best opponent, but the story they're telling makes some sense and is something people are excited about. Isn't that the goal at the end of the day? They're working with table scraps trying to put this card together and they at least gave us something out of left field.

>Some of you need to apply to write for WWE STAT. You guys are
>exhibiting just the right amount of lazy, uncreative,
>uninspired “ideas” I’m sure Vince scours the globe for.

Lol, we're talking about things that COULD happen. We weren't fantasy booking. Again, it's not that serious.

  

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300. "RE: Pessimists? No. Realists. "
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>>It’s they book him *too* strongly against his opponents.
>>Instead of guys looking strong and giving Brock a challenge,
>>everyone is child’s play.

>But it's Wrestlemania, they WILL make Dean look like a
>challenge by making him not quit.

That’s not a “challenge” to Brock. That’s just a guy he gets to beat up more than usual. A challenge is a guy who can give Brock enough of a beating that Brock looks like he might lose. Dean taking a bigger beating than most doesn’t make him a challenge.

>And that still will make him
>look better than a win over a Ziggler type.

Ok. I’m not asking for that, but ok. Dean getting the shit kicked out of him all match won’t make him look any better than he looked coming in though, so I completely disagree on that.

>if Dean comes out
>of WM looking better than he did before, mission
>accomplished.

If he’s booked strong and takes the fight back to Brock in a way that creates suspense by suggesting that Brock might actually lose as a result of Dean’s crazy, sure.

>>Yeah, because that’s the best and only way to get a guy
>>over.
>
>you know that's not what I said. why make up shit just to
>fight with people on this board? it's just wrestling dude.

Lol, I’m not making anything up to fight with you. It’s sarcasm. No more, no less, but if you’re that sensitive carry on. They could build Dean in a big way with this match but history strongly suggests they won’t. The way Brock has been booked supports my assumptions on this match 100%.

>>No. That’s the laziest way to go about getting him over.

>Disagree. the crazy guy who won't quit vs. The indestructible
>force is almost always a good story, and these two
>specifically can tell it well.

Crazy guy who won’t quit and takes a ton of bumps that yields “this is awesome” chants yet never appears to be a legitimate threat is a terrible story. Awful, really. Yes, there is potential here, but again… history suggests that this match will be exactly as follows:

-Suplexes. Lots of suplexes. More suplexes.
-Brock laughs off a good portion of Deans offense.
-Most of Deans effective offense will be in the form of cheap shots.
-More suplexes and knee strikes and suplexes at Deans expense.
-Dean gets in a final cheap shot or two.
-Brock wins.

This will drag out a little to show how Dean has no quit in him, but otherwise that’s the format. Dean will never appear to be a realistic threat to Brock.

That’s not a good story. That’s the exact same story they tell in every Brock match with one minor tweak that will be blown up to appear more significant than it actually is. It’s a terrible story. If Vince grows some balls and decides to build Dean up with this, I’ll eat my words.

>> To hell with creative storytelling, booking the guy to have
>a
>>strong fighting spirit,
>
>Uhhh, that IS the story of the match. Guy who won't quit =
>strong fighting spirit.

Strong ‘take an ass whooping spirit’, sure.
A guy with strong fighting spirit can take the fight to the other guy in a big way. We won’t see that. We’ll see “take an ass whooping” spirit. That’s boring, lazy, uninspired, and just plain tired.

>Let's be honest here, Dean is pretty limited in the ring.

He’s a brawler. This is the sort of match where he should be able to ‘make god bleed’, so to speak, and if he does that, I’ll eat my words here. I don’t mean if he makes Brock bleed in a literal sense. I’m talking about taking Brock to the brink of defeat in the midst of his own ass whooping. We won’t see anything close to that.

The
>other option was him defending the IC title, probably against
>a small flippy guy. That's a match we're likely to forget the
>day after Wrestlemania.

No. The other option is keeping this match with Brock and giving Brock a hell of a beating in a losing effort…. Or putting him over. They don’t *have* to have Brock ragdoll him for the entire match. That’s not the only option, but that’s what they’ll do. I know this because that’s what they always do, unless it’s a triple threat and Brock gets double teamed and/or attacked from behind all match and never takes the pin in the end.

>On the other hand, him getting beat down by a monster and
>continuing to come back has a lot of potential. This is the
>first time they've shown him being ACTUALLY crazy, so his
>character is getting even more over.

Continuing to get up, or continuing to give it right back to Brock? There’s a huge distinction there. We both know he’ll just keep getting up. He won’t give it back.

>>Nakamura. Zane. Shit Neville would work for that.
>
>I assumed we were talking options that could actually happen.

I was asked “what would make me happy, be realistic”

I was realistic. If by “realistic”, you mean something Vince would actually do, well, not much. Way to limit my personal opinion to the shitty sensibilities of a badly out of touch old man with a penchant for force feeding his pet projects over the voice of the fans. If that’s the barometer by which I must submit my ideas for what would work well, then why even ask?

Vince makes awful choices most of the time and is coasting on brand loyalty over creative decisions by a landslide. I dunno if you’re happy with WWE creative but’s mostly terrible.

> Sheamus
>>would deliver a good match here. Del Rio. Rusev.
>
>If these options excite you there's something wrong with you.

Says the guy who is happy to see WWE dig up more corpses to load the card with. Sheamus-Taker would be a fantastic match. There are plenty of guys who would deliver a quality match, but again… WWE creative is the problem and unless they’re jacking off the McMahon family ego they don’t put a lick of effort into these stories and much of the time those are bad too.

>>AGREED. Why NOT shake things up?
>>
>>“Shaking things up” certainly isn’t going back to the
>>same well of yesteryear that they do every year.

>This isn't a Batista move. People LOVE Shane and never thought
>he'd come back. Cmon man, you heard that pop. That was real.

They do. I do. I like Shane. I loved that pop. I loved that segment.
Thing is, I can separate a good emotional moment from the logic of a looming big picture.

I can separate a generally enjoyable show that works when viewed in a vacuum from the big picture problems presented by half-assed character and story choices.

>Adding yet another McMahon to
>>the upper card mix isn’t shaking anything up, it’s more
>of
>>the same.
>
>eh, not this McMahon.

Yes, this McMahon, because we all know where this will wind up. This time next year Shane will be a heel if he’s still around. It will be another retread with another heel authority figure. You know it. I know it. If they have the discipline to keep him a baby face for the next three years, sure. We could see something good come of this. I’ll happily alter my projections as new information filters in. As it stands I base my opinions on the long term viability of this on a long history of them running back that basic story.

>>And The Rock being the center of three straight
>wrestlemanias
>>was a “rising tide” that was supposed to “lift all
>>boats”.
>
>cool, you can keep all these arguments that none of us are
>making.

NOPE. That argument WAS made at the time. This is not up for debate.

I’m not saying you’re making that argument here and now, I’m drawing a parallel because you’re making the same general arguments for this as people were making at that time. People said the same things. OH YOU WANT DOLPH ZIGGLER IN THERE? THAT’S NOT REALISTIC!

Well, it’s 4 years later and people are still copping pleas for Vince trotting out the same tired ass playback, still copping pleas for Vince not allowing younger fan favorites or outside the box choices a chance to shine, still copping pleas for Vince taking ZERO risks that don’t involve betting big that the fans will somehow, some way, finally accept a guy they’ve resisted fervently as The Man, and still rolling their eyes at credible ideas that would most likely work if given the chance.

4 years from now you guys will still piss and moan all year and cop the same pleas at Mania time.

The options you laid out are either not exciting or
>not realistic.

The idea of Taker-Nakamura, Taker-Zayn, or Taker-Neville are exciting as hell. Lot of potential in all of those.

-There's a reason I didn't list Neville, Zayn,
>or Nakamura... they're NOT going to happen.

Duh. Like I said, if you’re limiting acceptable ideas to “what would vince do” then you’re effectively handcuffing good ideas. It makes no sense. I’m complaining about how dumb Vince’s ideas are and you ask me what I would like to do with the caveat that my answer should involve something that could actually happen which means it has to be something Vince would actually do and if I hate the things Vince does, well… yeah. That takes us back to my original rant. Vince’s ideas are fucking awful and he needs to call some audibles and change course. You can shill for his shitty ideas and I’ll shit on his shitty ideas.

Both of us know
>it. That's not WWE shitting on young talent either. They
>haven't earned the spot yet. Why would they? It's fucking
>Taker. I'm not saying Shane is the best opponent,

Shane earned that spot? Do I really have to list the long ass line of stiffs that preceded Taker actually having decent matches at Mania? Do I really have to list the long ass line of stiffs Vince threw into top slots out of the clear blue for NO other reason than that they were tall and/or muscular?

but the
>story they're telling makes some sense

It makes NO sense. Zero. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

>and is something people
>are excited about.

It was exciting. It’s terrible storytelling and they’ll maneuver it into the same dumbass heel authority figure angle they’ve ran for nearly two decades now.

>Isn't that the goal at the end of the day?

Yes….but not like this. The goal SHOULD be to create long term, sustainable quality that generates more consistent excitement that doesn’t dissipate once the shock and awe of some contrived bullshit wears off. And the over reliance on this hot shot tactic leads to the shitty story telling that you guys complain about all year, every year, but tell me more about how great this is.

>They're working with table scraps trying to put this card
>together and they at least gave us something out of left
>field.

They’re choosing to work with table scraps. Hell, they created a scenario where all they have is table scraps. They have good talent that they actively reduce to table scraps.

But lets not talk about that, lets just talk about how exciting everything is for mania and whine about how bad it is the rest of the year. I’m clearly being sarcastic there, but that’s what your argument amounts to.

>Lol, we're talking about things that COULD happen. We weren't
>fantasy booking. Again, it's not that serious.

What’s the difference? Nothing you or I say has any bearing on the card in any way. You can’t ask what I would do differently and then limit my options to the general fuckery and ineptitude that I’m already venting about.

Far as the "not that serious" line, no shit. It's a conversation about menial shit where two people see something from completely different sides. Why even bother discussing any of this if it's "not that serious"? Why were you going ham to shut down basa's fuckery in that Schumer post? Is that life or death? Why did you do that podcast awhile back? Why bother discussing anything on a message board, at all, ever, if that's your take?

  

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276. "Right now.."
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WWE has some significant issues as it relates to using old stars to build new ones. Daniel Bryan broke. Phil hated Hunter too much to want to keep dealing with the physical grief. Cena is getting old and folks are sick of him winning all the time.

The Attitude era is almost out of able-bodied participants. Shane is gonna do something borderline silly at Mania and go away..probably. Taker has to curl up for 11 months and 3 weeks to exists for 5 weeks every year. HHH is (still) booked somewhat horribly for what his role should be..too much control methinks.

Now, they are 'down to' some green folks who aren't ready (Reigns) and some indy dudes who haven't been built up yet. Cesaro, KO, Styles, Generico/Zayn, By God Rollins, and Ambrose is one helluva core group tho. Based on these guys, I'm not scurred.



>HOLY SHIT THEY JUST BROUGHT BACK YET ANOTHER ATTITUDE ERA
>RELIC!
>
>ANOTHER MCMAHON AT THAT!!!!!!
>
>WHAT A FUCKING GAME CHANGER!!!
>
>I refuse to believe Shane is the Taker match this year and I
>won’t believe it until Mania is over. If they do that match
>and Shane is in that ring across from Taker and the cell comes
>down, I won’t fucking believe it until that match is over. I
>fully expect a curveball somewhere down this road.
>
>Just to be clear, I like Shane. This could and SHOULD signify
>a major directional shift. Vince has acknowledged ‘dirt
>sheet’ whispers on consecutive nights. The first was his
>comment toward Christian on the E&C show and last night they
>did a little shooting with Shane bringing up low ratings and
>the rash of injuries. That and the fact that they seemed to
>open up Reigns on purpose seems to indicate a level of
>awareness we haven’t seen on screen in awhile.
>
>I like Shane matches. They’re fun, they’re exciting and
>I’ve always felt he did an excellent job in his role as a
>defacto ECW wrestler.
>
> He’s also an excellent on screen character. He can cut
>promos, he can carry a talking segment well, and yeah, him
>being a McMahon counter-balance has some gravitas to it. Of
>course, WWE has done very little to inspire any sort of faith
>in their long term planning. By SummerSlam, Shane will have
>turned heel. Or this whole thing was a swerve to further
>cement the McMahons as the veritable ‘Whole Fucking Show’
>and Taker gets screwed at Mania.
>
>The ONLY long term discipline shown by Vince in the last few
>years lie in his everlasting boner for Reigns, making sure
>Hunter and Steph eat the fucking soul of everyone they
>encounter, making sure Brock hoes out everyone in his path,
>making sure Cena keeps a stranglehold on that top slot, and
>making sure Show and Kane continue to have significant screen
>time for insignificant storylines.
>
>The biggest problem here is that this is just one more in a
>long line of shining examples of Vince’s reluctance to allow
>the younger (in WWE years) guys to establish themselves in a
>way that can allow them to grow to a point where they can
>carry the brand.
>
>The fact that it’s Shane compounds this problem…..Gee,
>what an inspired choice, another McMahon. On a show long
>dominated by McMahons and McMahon flunkies.
>
>Mania is shaping up to be king of all retreads.
>
>-Yet another Taker vs Old/Part Time Guy. Except this time….
>He’s MOAR part time.
>
>-Yet another Brock Buttfucking Bonanza. THIS TIME WITH
>WEAPONS!! EEE CEE DUB!! EEE CEE DUB!!
>
>-MOAR MCMAHON!!!!
>
>-MOAR HUNTER!!!! MOAR FORCE-FED FACE FANS FUCKING HATE!! Will
>likely include a special guest ref who likely has no real
>connection to this!
>-MOAR ROCK!!!! MOAR GAY JOKES, MISOGYNY, AND DATED CATCH
>PHRASES!!!
>-MOAR DUDLEYS!! BECAUSE WHY THE FUCK NOT!!!
>
>May as well dig up the corpse of May Young so Mark Henry can
>fuck it while Hunter and Kane watch. That way they can kill
>two nostalgia birds with one dead horse.
>
>May as well just call this Over The Edge or Deadly Game or
>Unforgiven or whatever the fucklate 90’s b-list PPV.
>
>Even if the show turns out to be solid or even good, it’s
>still little more than a billboard that shouts “MAN THINGS
>WERE GREAT BACK IN THE DAY! REMEMBER WHEN…..?”. In fact,
>if the show is a success, that portends even less change and
>we will see Vince dig his heels in with McMahons and Corpses
>of Manias Past.
>
>The only young guy in this mix getting any real tick is Reigns
>and the fans are rabidly against him now. Shit I fucking LIKE
>Reigns. I think a massive piece of the negative reactions he
>gets are ridiculous and unwarranted. It’s crystal clear to
>me that this shit ain’t working though and it’s past time
>to call an audible. They shit the bed by doubling down on the
>one guy fans thoroughly rejected instead of showing some sense
>of inspiration and elevating people crowds clearly respond
>well too…. Like Owens and Ambrose. But no. We get hunter.
>Again. Yay.
>
>What a sizzling mountain of dog shit. What’s worse is seeing
>that there are fans who actually think any of this is good by
>any measure. Way to ensure even more out of touch, tone deaf,
>half assed material for the next five years.
>

  

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262. "Official Wrestlemania theme song has been announced. "
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0WMSovOboY

  

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263. "garbage in, garbage out"
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*late pass fastlane thoughts*

- that was the fifth time ziggler/owens worked a tv match together in the last 30 days. why would i care about it?

(lol @ dolph coming out looking like poor man's late-1997 HBK)

- triple threat matches, for the most part, are dumb and overused now... especially if it involves paul wight and glenn jacobs.

- golf clap for actually booking the brie/charlotte match halfway well and keeping heat on the heel. (too bad brie provided enough material for a botchmania vid). after running that emotional daniel bryan vignette, brie gets that babyface fire...teased the comeback W...but charlotte submits her and retains. (could been so much better if flair interfered and grab brie. oh that's right, no one's allowed to cheat anymore.)

- the only solution is to turn reigns heel. not sure how they do it now. they could've had ambrose go over, and then reigns interfere at mania and cost ambrose the title. but no, vince's dementia has fully set in @ age 70.

- for the love of jack tunney, can they please stop with the shaky/zoom in /zoom out/quick jump camera work that happens every time a guy performs a successive move already??? that bullshit should've died when the shield broke up. it takes away from any semblance of storytelling, not to mention makes any big moves look less devastating (styles going face first into the mat off the top rope; styles going head first into the barricade.) basically a blip. do guys botch that much these days that it needs to be covered up via the technical director?

oh yay, shane's back. talk about setting the bar low. christ.

the way some of you guys are rationalizing the product is like online dating: she looked good in her pictures, but shortly after you become exclusive with each other, you're fighting to convince yourself that you're actually into her.

  

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269. "I fail to see how keeping Ambrose and Owens away from the title makes se..."
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Reigns will never draw a dollar. The fans don't care,he has no charisma, and all of his moves involve running. He's the worst "powerhouse" I can remember. He doesn't actually do anything strong.


Owens and Ambrose(who I don't even like) actually have heat and ready made storylines(the guy in Ambrose who no one thought can be the face, and Owens is the giant asshole you can't keep away.)


Are they gonna have a Money in the Bank before Wrestlemania? Cause I could see Owens or Ambrose win that and cash in on the Sad Samoan after he beats HHH as the only way to save Mania



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273. "WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO DO? "
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Can't you see that what they're doing right is the ONLY options they could POSSIBLY have?

There's NO OTHER WAY to book ANY OF THIS.

  

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274. "Its not even like they HAVE a developmental league"
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That has former world champions or anything
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279. "It's not like Samoa Joe is available or something. "
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It's not like Cass & Enzo are over as fuck and would make amazing foils for New Day. It's not like a group like that is hanging around to call up.

Shit Baron Corbin is a better choice for Taker.

What's funny is I haven't even gotten into how stupid the Shane thing is from a very a basic logical perspective.

Like... why the fuck would Taker want the Authority to retain control? What incentive would he even have to win a match like that?

That's just for starters.

  

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281. "The taker storyline makes 0 sense"
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But I'm willing to see how they develop that, but you know what else doesn't make kayfabe sense?

A ton of shit WWE has done, I'm not gonna draw the line here.

And as for all of your NXT guys you want, you have to realize that being over in NXT does not equal being over to the Monday Night Raw audience.

We share many opinions, I think the stuff you want to see would be great don't get me wrong, but you wan't it to be one way, but it's the other way (c) Marlo.

If you're sick of WWE not being for you than tune out, I won't blame you. But stop expecting them to book it for the small portion of NXT weekly watchers compared to the millions of Raw watchers and kids who buy Roman t shirts.

  

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282. "I didn’t say I want them to book all these guys for Mania. "
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It was sarcasm in response to this implication in the pushback I’m getting that they’re somehow devoid of options. Joe IS an option. Cass & Enzo ARE options. My point wasn’t that we need more NXT guys at Mania, but that there are quality acts available that could improve the product in a way that would definitely appeal to a mainstream audience.

There are plenty of main roster guys who would reap benefits for WWE if WWE would relax on their antiquated perceptions and practices. Nothing I’ve said even approaches the idea that I want them to book on an NXT level for a mainstream audience.

The ”over in NXT does not mean over on RAW” argument doesn’t really hold. Over is over and while there is a difference from what works in a setting that caters to particular sensibilities and what works in a much broader setting, the guys I named would definitely translate.
The guys they’ve dropped the soap with are piss poor examples. Bo Dallas never looked or acted the part of a serious wrestler and they fucked him over by not letting him cook on the Bolieve gimmick with any real consistency. He’s an entertaining mid card act.

Kruger? That club gimmick was dope, theme was dope, and they screwed the pooch on another solid mid card gimmick by not allowing his gimmick to go full retard © . He could have been a quality mid card face with that big ass party crew protecting him from sinister heels and then turned into a quality mid card heel who had his party people beat the piss out of his opponents before they hit the ring.

Very basic tweaks would have made those two credible and entertaining as fuck over the long haul. WWE fucked that up.

I showed a lapsed fan friend of mine a clip of Cass & Enzo’s entrance and he was hooked in two seconds. His response was, verbatim “shit I could watch these guys all day. CAN THEY WRESTLE?”.

He was already sold on the act itself. That’s a money act. Drop them on the main roster, don’t fuck with their formula, and they’re on par with New Day by Mania. Guaranteed. YOU know good and well that if WWE took the time they are spending on this horrendous Golden Truth bullshit that won’t ever be anything that matters on any real level and put that SAME TIME into Cass & Enzo the return would be significantly greater.

How many times has WWE brought in some big ass stiff and pushed him to the moon from day one? That’s a thing in WWE. They can make and break stars at will. Joe would be Kevin Owens at a minimum within two weeks if they had the balls to package him properly.

Corbin isn’t quite ready but goddamn if he’s not close. I’d like more seasoning but he’s a guy who works a style and has a character that would immediately translate to the mainstream WWE style….provided they don’t fuck with what’s worked with him thus far. Shit I pitched a dope ass entrance for him as the third man with Ambrose and Reigns last year. That shit would have definitely worked.

An awful lot of things would work if Vince would relax a little and let these guys breathe. It’s about how people are introduced, packaged, presented, and pushed and that’s true for main roster and NXT acts alike.

  

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286. "They've tried for 2 years to get Roman over and...nothing"
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Getting Joe over would be as easy as having him come out and just DESTROY Ambrose while the announce team talks him up.


There,you now have a massive over heel who can GO. Or...we can have every crowd cheer our babyface hero getting killed by HHH.


Shit,if you gave Sami Zayn a shot at Owens out of the blue,and have KO do the EXACT THING HE DID IN NXT, you would have another Mania match with an over face and heel to get the crowd going


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295. "RE: They've tried for 2 years to get Roman over and...nothing"
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All that you seem to want is going to happen..just not right now/this year. And when it does, it will still be friggin sweet/awesome.

Bayley and Zayn are the best faces on the roster. Finn is good too. And he gives them another 'dope entrance guy'. Bonus: he has the alt costume that means 'you're fucked' for any opponent. They know all of this. They just don't want to throw it all out at us at the same time. And that is actually okay..for now.

There's also the propaganda of working to get NXT over as a destination for indy stars. IT IS WORKING!

As a whole: the roster is super stacked considering hurt folks who will actually come back. The booking is shaky and too often lazily 50/50. 3-hour RAWs are mostly brutal. The midcard doesn't have enough going on. The injuries ARE killing them more than folks want to admit. And they ARE being a little slow with switching some. But I'm not as worried as some..at least not yet. Not yet.

I think they need to do the Reigns thing once and for all to get it over with. That way, they can feel like they 'know' if they have another Cena (they don't) or if the kid is gonna end up as more of a Sheamus type who can be big and physical in any spot on the card (this is closer to what he is). Or maybe...it is early and he's not ready just yet. And they can take back up off of it, sit their cups down, and let one of the several cats with experience on their roster move up into a bigger spot and show us all what they have.

Seth By God Rollins is gonna run be great whenever he shows back up. He's another reason I'm not super worried about WWE long-term. He took some shaky booking and some bad feuds and still came out of it looking great to all crowds and the folks in the back. He's trusted as a good match machine. And the injury/time away is just gonna make the crowd more apt to do their part for him whenever he comes back. It will be great.

>Getting Joe over would be as easy as having him come out and
>just DESTROY Ambrose while the announce team talks him up.
>
>
>There,you now have a massive over heel who can GO. Or...we can
>have every crowd cheer our babyface hero getting killed by
>HHH.
>
>
>Shit,if you gave Sami Zayn a shot at Owens out of the blue,and
>have KO do the EXACT THING HE DID IN NXT, you would have
>another Mania match with an over face and heel to get the
>crowd going
>
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275. "Every Shane-O-Mac match has been entertaining as fuck"
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This fool jumped off the jumbotron twice. Probably a 3rd time I can't remember. Had legit goat casket matches with Kane. The Steve Blackman match was hilarious. Dude is crazy.

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287. "some of ya'll doin too much in here. It's wrestling dudes"
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Nakamura is not gonna wrestle Undertaker at Wrestlemania. I mean, come on...

Too serious

  

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289. "Show me one person who said he was. Or that it was on the table. "
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Ain't nobody "doing too much".

That's one of the worst- and, frankly, dumbest- catch-all retorts on message boards.

Doesn't matter what the subject is. Damn near every subject discussed in here is essentially "just...".

Just movies.
Just sports.
Just...general discussion.
Pretty much everything discussed in okp is ultimately some menial shit that means little in the grand scheme of things.

Why are you even here if that's your take?

Be as basic and simple minded on all the subjects you want. Its either worth discussing or it isn't and some folks are actually capable of getting in depth on things. Either sit out or KIM if you don't like it.

  

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291. "whew..."
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Maybe it is me. Its "just wrestling" to me, dunno.

I think I'm gonna chill on this board for a while

  

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293. "I think what he's saying is..."
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.. if something's worth talking about, it's worth talking about properly. The stock "Calm down, it's just..." response is basically just saying "I don't want to talk about this as much as you and I feel that this somehow makes me a bit better than you.".

Don't reply at all if you're not interested. We're here to talk to each other about bullshit and to shit on each other for fun when we disagree, if you're not into this flavour of bullshit there are other flavours all over the board.

We have heated arguments on here about Taylor Swift, Warshing Meats and keeping weights in the freezer... why phone it in just because it's "just wrestling"?

As it stands, I disagree with a lot of what Cold Truth said in this thread, but I love reading a good rant and his posts are always entertaining. This isn't the most vibrant forum in the world any more, but it would be *utterly* shite if it was just full of people saying "Well that was okay, wasn't it?" and all the replies said "Yeah, I agree... it was okay."

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296. "^^^^^^^^^ "
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>As it stands, I disagree with a lot of what Cold Truth said in
>this thread, but I love reading a good rant and his posts are
>always entertaining. This isn't the most vibrant forum in the
>world any more, but it would be *utterly* shite if it was just
>full of people saying "Well that was okay, wasn't it?" and all
>the replies said "Yeah, I agree... it was okay."

I'm not mad at people for disagreeing with me. I like a disagreeable discussion. A good counterpoint forces me to rethink my stance or clarify my stance.

Sometimes I wonder if any of these guys have had a real life passionate discussion with a close friend about NBA players or boxers or novels or MC’s. It’s not like we have to hate each other’s guts, but damn. I think Y2Flound is way off the mark but I enjoy the discussion. I enjoy seeing my thoughts broken down and critiqued. I don't need my ass kissed in the process either and if I disagree I just explain why.

  

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305. "I don't even think our opinions on what would be good are different"
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My point is mostly just that the stuff that we would love at Mania is not realistic as of 2/24.

No doubt they could get to the spot you (and I) want them to be, but it's too late for WM 32, they didn't build too many people well enough to give them the big spot, even if they would do great in it without the proper build.

I'm not way off base in that.

I think some of the things they are going to do at Mania will still be good and also think it's been a long time since WM just totally sucked. I was convinced it was going to last year for sure and it came together great so I'm not going to be mad at it not looking great right now.

I also think that the Shane storyline is a good start to maybe seeing this stuff happen post mania. Maybe it won't be, but I think the stage is well set at this point to make 2016 the year we see Enzo and Cass, Balor, Joe and a lot of NXT guys get the call up and get the KO treatment in terms of being put in big spots. I just don't think it's fair* at this point to say they should be involved in big Mania spots this year.

* Fair meaning, something we expect to just happen. It's totally fair to bash the last year of booking leading to this bad spot they are in now.

  

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306. "I think they can cram like a motherfucker from here til mania"
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>No doubt they could get to the spot you (and I) want them to
>be, but it's too late for WM 32, they didn't build too many
>people well enough to give them the big spot, even if they
>would do great in it without the proper build.
>
>I'm not way off base in that.

I think they could, if they had balls and made a conscious choice, to elevate damn near anyone they wanted enough to make them viable for this card.

Part of my beef with Vince is that this shit isn't rocket science. It's not like I think I'm some creative genius here. Vince can do an awful lot with that machinery if he stepped out of his fanboy fapping to MUSCLES MUSCLES MUSCLES and the temple of McMahon once in awhile.

I'm gonna roll with Cass & Enzo again: my boy lit up right off the bat. I just asked for his objective impression. He fucking LOVED them. That's a money act. New Age Outlaws shit. They could get white hot in 5 weeks in feud with New Day.

Now, is that a Mania main event? No. But that's a damn fine program that would generate interest in a spot that isn't being relied upon to draw anyways. So for arguments sake, I think that's a fair example of an act that would stand an excellent chance of being successfully built well enough to be ready for Mania even with such a short window.

You and I could both come up with a credible program to introduce Zayne or Nakamura against Taker. You and I both know they both have certain factors that could easily get them over in a short period of time. They have five weeks and five hours of TV time until Mania. 25 hours is plenty of time to work them in. Is that realistic in terms of whether or not Vince would do it? Of course not!

Is it realistic that any of these would work and work well, even with the remaining time? Absolutely!

I think there's plenty of time to build the right people. Nakamura is a pretty far out character. It wouldn't take much. Zayn is beloved. Cass and Enzo as an act are fucking dripping with charisma. There is plenty to work with. So take that and imagine what could be done with people who are better known quantities already on the main roster.


Also, you present a valid issue: it wouldn’t be fair to leapfrog the main roster workhorses for those guys. That’s sort of my point though. This is all about actual effort on the part of Vince.

As I said earlier, I like Shane. I like Shane matches. I think he’s a fantastic character.
Just as with the street fight stip in the Ambrose-Lesnar match, his presence gives this some hope.

That hope still sits in the massive shadow of history that suggests we’ll most likely see things revert to the same old song and dance before too long and that makes it difficult to be too optimistic.

As I said to you and PN both, I’ll gladly eat my words if things pop from here. I’ll have no qualms admitting I was wrong as a motherfucker because I’ll be too glad to see some cool ass pro wrestling again.

  

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313. "Introducing Swagsuke to the audience isn't necessarily the problem."
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But Strong Style and WWE style are different things(and in the current WWE, that matters - it may not matter when Hunter's fully in charge). It took Itami a while to adjust to NXT, and he's arguably closer to WWE style (considering that Bryan and Punk both swiped moves from him). I'm struggling to think of the last time they gave a dude a high-profile debut at WM. Not to say they shouldn't have considered it, but that's a heavy factor.

I am actually surprised that they didn't give Owens the match - I doubt they're going to throw Ziggler at him again for the 750th time, and it could give Taker a chance for one last run with a belt (and I don't think he's won the IC belt ever) and a bust-ass program to make Owens an even bigger star between WM and maybe even Summerslam.

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297. "Reigns turns heel at Wrestlemania??"
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Could that work? Have him win it and then Rollins comes out and they have a stare down or something... Or Rollins comes out the next night on Raw... Or is Rollins still months away from being fully recovered?

When was the last time a heel won at Wrestlemania?? Last year don't count, the fans wanted that shit to happen so bad... Everybody other than the little kids dressed up like RR went ape shit when Rollins came out...

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298. "As far as closing the show with a heel winner, The Miz at 27"
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But even then you had everybody cheering The Rock.

Other than that the only other time a heel walked out as the champion in the main event was Triple H in 2000.

  

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299. "he'd likely be cheered if he turned"
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but i'm not even sure how he'd do it given the story. they are allegedly picking a guest ref though, so that opens up some possibilities.

  

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301. "Yeah keep stacking the deck against him with cards that we like"
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HBK as ref? We're all gonna be begging for Sweet Chin Music on Roman.

Rock as ref? We're gonna end up turning on The Rock, or cheering him until he does something to help Roman (or even make the 3 count)

I just don't get it. You have so many guys ready to take this spot where you don't need to put in even an eighth of the effort, yet they are stuck on this guy.

  

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304. "Maybe The Rock hits RR with the Rock bottom..."
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next night RR turns heel by attacking Ambrose? I really feel like they have to make him heel for WM to be a success...

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307. "I really hope they save a heel turn for waaay down the line"
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I would love a full on Reigns heel turn WITHOUT him attacking Ambrose. Keep Ambrose a face and use that dynamic for further storytelling between the two. Ambrose doesn’t agree with Roman but that’s his brother. Catch a few conversations where Dean tries to talk sense into Roman. Roman doesn’t budge but again… Dean is his brother.

Have a few situations where they cross paths, say in tag matches or whatever, they still do their thing and if they have to fight they have to fight. Still brothers.

Hell Reigns could be a full on bully and beat down Calisto or some shit and Dean makes the save. They scrap. Whatever. They just shoot a fair one and hash it out. They don’t try to kill each other, it’s just a fight. Still brothers. They’ll still save each other’s ass when necessary. Maybe cause friction between them and new allies. Turn Roman back in a year and all is well. Whatever. Still brothers.

Two years from now though? Yeah. Make one go full on Sith and decimate the other. Build that shit into a situation where it’s unthinkable after all they’ve been through and have one of them do something seriously vile to the other. The real money in that dynamic is an extreme slow burn so that when it hits it’s truly shocking. That should be earmarked for something truly special at a Summer Slam. I dunno, just seems like a Summerslam feud to me.

  

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310. "All that sounds great.....if he wasn't main eventing Wrestlemania"
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...in 5 weeks!

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311. "Can you explain what that has to do with anything I wrote?"
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I know everyone gets pissy when I say that the response doesn't jive with my post and I don't mean any offense, so please allow me to explain.

I laid out how and why I'd rather see them wait at least two years to have Reigns turn on Ambrose (or vice versa). I also explained that they could still turn Reigns heel, keep Dean a face without turning Reigns on Dean, and use that dynamic to extend the story of their bond, creating some twists and turns in an effort to give such a turn some serious weight before ultimately building to that turn.

So given that what I laid out was a general long-term outline waiting two years to have on turn his back on the other, I don't understand what Reigns main eventing mania in five weeks has to do with that.

Is there some reason why Reigns being in the Mania main event would have any impact whatsoever on such a plan? What about Reigns being in the main event presents an issue with my idea?

So maybe it's me and I'm missing something in the logic of your response. Can you explain?

  

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327. "Sorry, didn't mean to make light of your plan..."
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I like how you laid it out, but IMO Reigns really needs to have a major heel turn either at Mania or the night after on RAW... Best person to have him feud with right now is Ambrose... That would bring a lot of heat and he could talk about being the real leader of the Shield and blah, blah, blah... Then Seth Rollins could come back and they have a triple threat match...

My original post was all about saving Mania... Not thinking long term right now...

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338. "I hear you, but that's sort my problem with the product overall"
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Everything is about the here and now unless it's The Authority or whoever the pet project It guy is at the moment. I'd like to see them plan for the future and save the next 5 Manias and I think they can absolutely do that and save this Mania.

Everything they do from here will be pretty predictable. Shane has ignited a big ass buzz and I'm genuinely excited for that story in a vacuum, but I just see too many big picture issues for me to let go of my cynicism toward the product enough to enjoy it without that conflict.

I just think they can turn Reigns heel without turning him heel at Dean's expense. I don't think using that as a hail mary to save this Mania is worth losing out on a much more significant story down the road, but that's me.

  

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312. "Anyone catch Steve Austin's podcasts this week?"
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They're pretty good for a Fastlane rundown, this past RAW and upcoming Mania predictions, etc.

I was very excited to hear Shane is back but, like most here, the prospect of a Taker match is baffling to me. Shane is always amazing, and I'd bet the match will impress, but it seems strange to me that Taker can go from being pushed to his limits by Brock to getting pushed to his limits by Shane McMahon. (I would've thought Shane vs Sheamus & LON would have made more sense in that their already on Team McMahon.) I don't even get who people are supposed to cheer for in this match?! Taker's supposed to be on RAW this week so I think it'll all fall into perspective a little more then.

Ambrose vs Brock is intriguing me the most. I think the outcome of that match will demonstrate how much faith the company has in Ambrose. Personally, I'd like to see Ambrose go over. It wouldn't hurt Brock to get beat 10 times with a chair (while maybe handcuffed) and for the ref to stop the match as Brock can't defend himself.

I fear a Brock squash but the more likely ending is a Hitman/Austin Mania 13 ending - in that Ambrose won't quit but will subsequently lose with dignity. If that happens with a Kimura though, it kinda means Dean will have to lose an arm for that to work so it'll be interesting to see how that works out.

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326. "just listened"
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-interesting ideas on why Ziggler isn't working and how getting Indy work might be better in the long-term.

-I'm glad people in the business are baffled by the Wyatts' booking. Seems like everyone gets it but WWE.

  

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356. "The Ziggler comments really threw me..."
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I thought it was understood that he was ready and capable of being the top guy - the fact that they cast doubts over that really surprised me. I do think the crowd has lost faith that anything will happen for him though. I'm not a Ziggler stan at all but after Survivor Series 2014, I think they missed the opportunity to make him a star.

I think Bray needs that World title or a pin on Brock to really cement his standing again.

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357. "It's amazing that they just put him in Reigns spot and didn't rewrite it"
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Literally 0 changes to the story or long term plan, just use Ziggler like they were going to use Reigns and then have Reigns take back over when he was healthy.

  

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314. "I'm 90% positive you guys have never watched Nakamura"
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I'm talking to the ones telling me I'm just on some Indy darling and that there's not enough time to introduce a guy like that.

I saw the phrase "all his technical ability" in like two of these exchanges. Whoever said that hasn't watched a Nakamura match.

He's a strong style guy with an MMA element who can *also* get down on a technical level. But even that's not his selling point.

He's quirky. He's flamboyant as fuck. His entrance is on some Jeff Hardy shit. He's not some Indy darling type. He's a bigger guy with a physical style and loads of dlamboyance and charisma. His quirks exist even in the way he strikes. He fucks with His opponents. He's an entertainer through and through.

Anyone calling the idea of him some Indy darling shit hasn't watched him.

  

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315. "lol, literally NO ONE is shitting on him"
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we're saying it's not realistic to think the WWE is going to throw him into a Taker match, which you seemingly agree with. how do you not even get the argument after typing 5 dissertations on it?

  

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319. "Did I say you were shitting on him? Nope. "
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>we're saying it's not realistic to think the WWE is going to
>throw him into a Taker match, which you seemingly agree with.

>how do you not even get the argument after typing 5
>dissertations on it?

No, actually, there were many arguments that I addressed specifically. Meanwhile, pretty much ALL your responses in here are you not getting the argument......like this one. Your response was "NOBODY IS SHITTING ON HIM".

Well, cool. Fine. Meanwhile, nothing I've said indicates that I thought this. Like, at all. Please, SHOW ME where I've said that. Goddamn, if you're going to say some shit like that, you'd think there'd be some evidence of it.

CLEARLY, OBVIOUSLY, UNQUESTIONABLY, this post was a response to people who said I was "fantasy booking an indy darling Mania" and kept referring to Nakamura's "technical" abilities and that there wasn't enough time to introduce him with the time left. Because, you know THAT'S WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID.

THIS post spoke about how his "technical" abilities aren't his selling point, how he actualy wrestles strong style, not a technical style but that he can get down on a technical level, and then pointed out how he has such a massively outsized persona that getting him over would be easy as a motherfucker..... and how it's clear that given the specific objections, you clearly haven't seen the guy.

So, I mean, I'm clearly the guy who understood the argument.

You're the genius that says "nobody is shitting on him" in response to a post that didn't say you were.

  

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324. "fair enough, but does Indy Darling have to do with style?"
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Sorry, but you've been oddly looking for a fight this whole thread, so I misinterpreted you. still, I thought Indy Darling was just thrown around for anyone who is well-liked and not in WWE. I mean that's all the name implies really.

>CLEARLY, OBVIOUSLY, UNQUESTIONABLY, this post was a response
>to people who said I was "fantasy booking an indy darling
>Mania" and kept referring to Nakamura's "technical" abilities
>and that there wasn't enough time to introduce him with the
>time left. Because, you know THAT'S WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID.

okay, but just to be clear everyone was right about that. whether there's enough time to introduce him or not is debatable, but they're not going to do it and we both know it. how is that not fantasy booking? there's nothing wrong with fantasy booking, but when the rest of us are looking at actual options and not just our dream matches, don't accuse us of not thinking creatively enough. we're trying to look at what vince is gonna do, not us. you can praise nxt people all day long and i'll join you for that, but none of them have a shot at facing Taker. just move on.

  

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325. "I'm not looking for a fight. I'm passionate. I love this shit. It's a di..."
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>Sorry, but you've been oddly looking for a fight this whole
>thread, so I misinterpreted you. still, I thought Indy Darling
>was just thrown around for anyone who is well-liked and not in
>WWE. I mean that's all the name implies really.

I think the style aspect is relevant. I think there's a difference between suggesting Adam Cole in a slot like that and suggesting Nakamura for it. The reason I think there's a massive distinction in this particular case is because Swag has SO much going for him that he makes for a realistic and highly compelling option for that spot. The style aspects are why I don't think that suggestion is just some indy shit, it's actually realistic scenario given everything he brings to the table.

That's why I take issue with the "realistic" thing: the only thing that's realistic are the same band-aid quick fixes Vince continues to employ, which sparked my initial rant. If that sparked my rant, it absolutely handcuffs any genuine conversation when I'm more or less limited to the same sort of options that bothered me to begin with. Does that make sense?

>okay, but just to be clear everyone was right about that.

Right, but that's why I made the distinction with the rest of him.

Since there's SO much more to the guy, it came across as though I was just suggesting some vanilla grappler with nothing else going for him.

>whether there's enough time to introduce him or not is
>debatable, but they're not going to do it and we both know it.
>how is that not fantasy booking? there's nothing wrong with
>fantasy booking, but when the rest of us are looking at actual
>options and not just our dream matches, don't accuse us of not
>thinking creatively enough. we're trying to look at what vince
>is gonna do, not us. you can praise nxt people all day long
>and i'll join you for that, but none of them have a shot at
>facing Taker. just move on.

See my previous point. If I'm bothered by the things Vince would do, it doesn't make sense to ask me what *I* would like to see but limit my range to the very thing I took issue with to begin with.

At any rate I'm not here for a fight. I dig pro wrestling. I dig talking about it. Maybe it's cultural, I dunno, but when I have these conversations with my "Real" friends who are passionate, shit gets loud and far more animated than it even comes across here. But we're just chopping it up about some shit we really like and if someone makes a dumbass point he loses his shirt for it in ridicule. So while I'm passionate and like to talk about it in depth and challenge ideas that I think don't make sense, there's no malice there. I'm just a pointed person. I'm sorry if it comes across like I'm trying to fight. I like to dig into things. Go see my Deadpool posts, lol.

To give you some context: I have a friend who is in prison right now. The last real conversation we had was a phone call (he lives in another state) where we were discussing Steph Curry and Chris Paul. This is right after Curry returned from the ankle injury and I told him I thought Steph was the guy I'd pick to build a title team around. Anyhow he threw out a GTFOHWTB and that conversation was loud as a motherfucker from there on in and anyone who saw me probably thought I was fighting with my boy.

  

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328. "Leave it to an argument in a post about pro wrestling "
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to find it's way to steel cage discussions

>To give you some context: I have a friend who is in prison
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316. "Brock is the match..."
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they could've done with Swagsuke. Imagine them throwing shots at each other and Swag trolling him during breaks. So wonderful.

But Brock ended up in a solid spot being in position to casually murder Ambrose for 20 minutes around the arena. I'd be crying if Brock was stuck with a Wyatt instead of Shinsuke.

Don't sweat it though...Swag is gonna show up being himself. He's gonna look big or at least tall. He's gonna be physical. And he'll be quirky and hilarious (until them strikes come out). He's gonna knee Sami all up in the head and face on that NXT Dallas show and we'll love it. Sami is gonna make him look great..I just know it. We have plenty of time for Swagsuke to be ballin on these folks who don't know.



>I'm talking to the ones telling me I'm just on some Indy
>darling and that there's not enough time to introduce a guy
>like that.
>
>I saw the phrase "all his technical ability" in like two of
>these exchanges. Whoever said that hasn't watched a Nakamura
>match.
>
>He's a strong style guy with an MMA element who can *also* get
>down on a technical level. But even that's not his selling
>point.
>
>He's quirky. He's flamboyant as fuck. His entrance is on some
>Jeff Hardy shit. He's not some Indy darling type. He's a
>bigger guy with a physical style and loads of dlamboyance and
>charisma. His quirks exist even in the way he strikes. He
>fucks with His opponents. He's an entertainer through and
>through.
>
>Anyone calling the idea of him some Indy darling shit hasn't
>watched him.
>
>

  

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321. "Oh yeah. I was hoping for maybe a post-Raw interaction. "
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I think Oak's statement that "none of this adds up to badass that can match up with Taker" is hilarious, like he hasn't convincingly gone toe to toe with Lesnar..... and that was before he developed into the force of nature he is now.

Fucking armbars through the ropes and shit. When was the last time you saw someone counter a clothesline from Brock and hit him with a German?

All I'm saying is that if they'd seen some of Nakamura's work, they'd know my suggestion wasn't all that absurd and it was in fact a damn good idea that would work very well even with the time we have left.

Actually, I can't think of anyone I've ever seen like him. His combination of size, personality, ring work, mannerisms, and flamboyance doesn't really exist outside of video games. He can be a really big deal if Vince doesn't fuck with his act.

  

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317. "This shit doesn't translate to "bad ass who can beat Taker" to WWE Unive..."
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>He's quirky. He's flamboyant as fuck. His entrance is on some
>Jeff Hardy shit. He's not some Indy darling type. He's a
>bigger guy with a physical style and loads of flamboyance and
>charisma. His quirks exist even in the way he strikes. He
>fucks with His opponents. He's an entertainer through and
>through.

Not to mention he's not gonna be able to cut promos because WE DON'T SPEAK JAPANESE!!!!

  

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318. "HE SPEAKS ENGLISH!!!!!"
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>
>>He's quirky. He's flamboyant as fuck. His entrance is on
>some
>>Jeff Hardy shit. He's not some Indy darling type. He's a
>>bigger guy with a physical style and loads of flamboyance
>and
>>charisma. His quirks exist even in the way he strikes. He
>>fucks with His opponents. He's an entertainer through and
>>through.

>Not to mention he's not gonna be able to cut promos because WE
>DON'T SPEAK JAPANESE!!!!

Like I said... You haven't even watched the guy. That much is obvious.

I see how you skipped over the "bigger guy who wrestles strong style with MMA elements" part when you said this doesn't add up to "badass who can beat taker".

I mean.... His nickname is King of Strong Style.

Further, the part you mentioned translates to "yeah this is a guy who could get over right away".

  

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320. "do you think you're the only one in here with an NJPW World subscription..."
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1. Speaking enough english to get by doesn't translate to being able to cut convincing promos on live TV where you need to be able to sell a match and tell a story.

2. You know why I'm focusing on the "Swagsuke" angle and not his MMA/Strong Style? Because YOU FUCKING SAID HIS TECHNICAL SKILLS AREN'T HIS SELLING POINT. So I told you why, in my opinion, his selling point isn't going to translate to WWE, at least not immediately, and why he's not going to be able to debut and 6 weeks later be ready to be in the position to face The Undertaker at WrestleMania. Flamboyance and quirkiness, his selling point (according to YOU), does not mean he should be fiighting the Undertaker.

Like I said, you're not the only one in here who has watched NJPW, so stop it with the "look guys, I got a pulse on the indie and Japanese scene, I know my wrestling" shit. He's a great pro wrestler. One of the best doing it right now. And he is doing this (or was, rather) in a promotion/land where all that matters is if you can go in the ring or not. But this isn't NJPW and this isn't Japan. This is WWE and the majority of the WWE audience watches WWE and that is it. They aren't pro wrestling fans, they are WWE fans, and WWE is so much different than NJPW.

Shinsuke excelled in Japan because he was one of, if not THE best at what they care about. Being a bad ass, strong style, technical wrestling KING. But that fact that he had all that charisma is what made him a once in a generation guy. But being over in Japan does not equal being able to be over in WWE. Shit, Prince Albert was a bad ass in Japan. How many times did WWE try and fail to make this guy a legitimate threat? And what happened every time? People would chant about his hairy back and reference is old, failed gimmicks. You don't think it's a remote possibility that the casual WWE fans are gonna see this dude coming down the ring like Freddie Mercury and immediately being turned off? I'm not speaking ME personally, but all of us in here, except you apparently, are fantasy booking whilst still acknowledging REALITY.

  

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322. "NAH. NOPE. No. Nada. Not gonna fly here. I didn't open this door. "
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>2. You know why I'm focusing on the "Swagsuke" angle and not
>his MMA/Strong Style? Because YOU FUCKING SAID HIS TECHNICAL
>SKILLS AREN'T HIS SELLING POINT. So I told you why, in my
>opinion, his selling point isn't going to translate to WWE, at
>least not immediately, and why he's not going to be able to
>debut and 6 weeks later be ready to be in the position to face
>The Undertaker at WrestleMania. Flamboyance and quirkiness,
>his selling point (according to YOU), does not mean he should
>be fiighting the Undertaker.

SMH. No. It's the combination of him. It's not just the flamboyance, it's the physicality as well. It's the overall package. The technical aspects is just that: a piece of the whole. I listed a general outline of multiple factors that make him great.... in response to the notion that i'm on some indy bullshit with him. He's got massive mainstream star written all over him.

Oh, and he'd translate immediately to the WWE. Guaranteed. Like fucking gangbusters.

>Like I said, you're not the only one in here who has watched
>NJPW, so stop it with the "look guys, I got a pulse on the
>indie and Japanese scene, I know my wrestling" shit.

Meanwhile, I'm speaking to the things that would make him work on a bigger stage. I didn't open the indy mark door, did I? No. I was told that I'm fantasy booking like an indy mark. This is a response to that.I'm not the one who threw that out there. I'm the one who responded to it.

My response wasn't "I'm so in the know".

My response was "I don't think you've seen him if you don't think he's a credible opponent for taker and/or don't think there's enough time to get over, and here's why"

Somehow, that put you on the defensive. That's your problem, not mine, so you can turn this sumbitchsideways and go from there.

>They aren't
>pro wrestling fans, they are WWE fans, and WWE is so much
>different than NJPW.

...and HE would translate. And I pointed out the elements that lead me to that conclusion.

>Shit, Prince Albert was a bad ass in Japan. How many
>times did WWE try and fail to make this guy a legitimate
>threat?

Where was all the character charisma in LORD TENSAI!?
THIS is NOT that. That's a terrible parallel from a contextual standpoint. They failed because Vince did his usual routine of jerking off over a big guy and turning into a mindless animal with a cheesy gimmick.

Leave Nakamura alone and NOTHING gets lost in translation. You're speaking in generalities, hey, what works there wont' work here! I'm talking specifics in terms of his persona, entrance, ring gear, etc in addition to his work. A lot of what will get him over will happen before he says a word.


And what happened every time? People would chant about
>his hairy back and reference is old, failed gimmicks. You
>don't think it's a remote possibility that the casual WWE fans
>are gonna see this dude coming down the ring like Freddie
>Mercury and immediately being turned off?

Nope. None whatsoever. I have 100% confidence that his act, as is, would translate without a hitch. People would get it.

I'm not speaking ME
>personally, but all of us in here, except you apparently, are
>fantasy booking whilst still acknowledging REALITY.

I'm presenting an idea that would work if allowed the chance and explaining why I think it would work. I'm acknowledging reality like a motherfucker. More than you or anyone else in here, apparently, because I recognize this long standing pattern of propping every Mania on the shoulders of Nostalgia and why it needs to change with drastic, inspired choices instead of the same old bullshit.

  

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323. "I hope you're right and he reaches his potential in WWE"
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329. "I hate this post. I hate it. "
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I wanna just have conversations with wrestling fans about wrestling why is that so tough?

  

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330. "Every discussion in here is about wrestling, presumably by wrestling fan..."
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But I hear ya. Look at us. Vince's shitty booking and RomanFest is bringing out the worst in all of us.

  

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332. "Its a conversation about pro wrestling. "
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How exactly should this go?

What format would make this a safe place for captain feels over here to partake in such a discussion on a way that doesn't upset him?

Nothing in here brought our the worst in anyone. Should we just keep it super duper short and sweet? Help me out here.

  

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331. "LOL jeebus. Cry about it why don't you. "
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You're so incredibly sensitive.

Seriously, if you just want to have a string of surface level one line comments, go to Twitter. God forbid people chop it up in depth on something.

I swear some of you must have been raised in a fucking hippy commune or have been on Ritalin since birth because the second you encounter slightest bit of passion or detailed comment that doesn't lick your asshole in agreement your entire world gets flipped upside down.

  

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341. "Yep."
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333. "Gee fellas, i sure hope this turns out to be a swell show! "
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And I'm really sorry fellas. It seems some of you are awful sore at at me and mother always says I should apologize when people get sore at me.

Will you ever forgive me fellas? Gosh I sure hope so! Mother says she'll make us all some s'mores for the big wrestling show. Don't be sore at me fellas!

  

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334. "I know the type of dude you are"
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Small office with 12 people, 11 get along just fine but when 12th man gets in its "oh here we go" type dude

Dodgeball on the playground, ball obviously hits you but you insist it missed type dude

Can never be wrong if you answer every question with a question type dude

Prolly hangout in a mall food court all day just refreshing this post type dude.

Thinks it's all us that suck when you're BY FAR the most sensitive poster on the boards type dude ("FACTS" - Kanye)

"ITS STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT" type dude

Take everything personally type dude. Definitely mad in real life type dude. ("THOSE FUCKING IMBECILES ON OKAYPLAYER ARGHH!!!" - you irl )

Liked True Detective 2 and everyone else was too dumb to get it type dude.

Sucker!

  

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335. "Exhibit A:"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2512432&mesg_id=2512432&page=#2520219



and we're the sensitive ones...


  

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337. "I expressed differing opinions. That bothered you. "
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That's what happened here.

I vented about the show. Not you, the show. My dislike for the long term direction of the show. You thought I was "looking for a fight" because I disagreed with your take on my venting and I had the fucking audacity to actually explain my position and that's pretty much the barometer for "looking for a fight" with you people.

You asked a dumbass question with the dumbass caveat of limiting my answer to the same dumbass quick fix bullshit I was bothered by to begin with. I explained my stance and... that was it. No, really. Seriously. That was it. That's the big issue you sissies had with me.

Add the fact that many of your responses made absolutely no sense and I had the fucking audacity to point it out- you know, like your dumb as rocks "nobody is shitting on him!" response when, you know, that was never the issue. Then in the same breath you once again shit the bed by telling me that I didn't understand the argument despite the fact that I very specifically respond to very specific arguments in the very post you were responding to.

Be mad at yourself for being a fucking moron, not me for questioning the complete lack of sense in your post.

  

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336. "So says the inarticulate buffoon"
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The guy who wants to "have his opinion" and doesn't like it when someone challenges his opinion with things like facts and nuance.

The guy who chafes when his friends use words with more than three syllables because they just made things too complicated for him

You're the guy who has a strong disdain for nuanced conversation and gets upset when his opinions are challenged. The guy who lacks the ability to articulate an opinion based on facts yet chooses to roll with a list of insults.

You're a basic ass person. That's the reality here. Just a surface level human being who gets upset when his dumbass, poorly thought out comments are met with rudimentary challenges in logic.

You're an idiot. A dumb motherfucker. If you weren't a dumb, basic motherfucker, there wouldn't be a problem here.

  

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339. "Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, but you're a certain "fake smart" type of dude"
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A "in my esteemed opinion Lance Storm was criminally underrated" type of dude

A "I find the New Day's antics to be woefully immature and boorish" type of dude

A "I detest the trappings of the hardcore and backyard movements and feel the ramifications of these movements to be especially abhorrent" type of dude

A "The hovering spectre of the Occupy movement places CM Punk's angst-riddled tirades in an even more impactful social context" type dude

A "thou doth protest, it is in fact still quite real to me dammit" type dude



  

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342. "Youve said more about me than youve said about wrestling all week."
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You'll write two detailed posts trying to insult me yet can't be bothered to put that sort of effort and energy into talking about the thing you supposedly want to talk about.

Look, I get it. That's much easier for you to do than it is to say something on the topic that makes some sense.

What's funny is your excitement level after writing all that bullshit.

"Sucker!!". Lol. What the fuck is that? You're such a goddamned buffoon.

Even funnier is that you're proud to be a simple minded motherfucker. I'm sure you'll be back for another round of pure insults. Lord knows you won't actually discuss the topic at hand with any sense or nuance.

  

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352. "But… Lance Storm IS underrated and CZW IS a tire fire. "
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---------------------------------
Photo zine(some images NSFW): http://bit.ly/USaSPhoto

"This (and every, actually) conversation needs more Chesterton and less Mike Francesa." - Walleye

  

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340. "Obligatory "Smackdown is getting good!" post."
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I don't watch weekly, but they've refreshed the show since the move to USA

-Mauro Ranallo is damn good. Might be replacing Matt Stryker as my favorite play-by-play guy. He's still getting the hang of what certain wrestlers' moves are called, but he's very refreshing.

-There's still skippable matches of course, just less of them.

-I'm picking a bad week to pick on Raw, but Smackdown's backstage segments are better.

I wouldn't call it "can't miss", but I think they can do something fun here. If they get back to having central themes to their episodes it could be a better product than Raw.

  

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355. "HHH had a great promo on Reigns..."
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For anyone who missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP3-PCGQ0ME

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343. "Soooo that Catrina vs Pentagon scene this week"
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Catrina can fucking teleport.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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344. "Muertes is gonna maul the guy. n/m"
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345. "Yeah pentagon was rethinking that Cero Miedo"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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349. "Hey I know this has already been asked"
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But what's the easiest way to watch this after its already aired? Thanks in advance for the tip

  

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351. "It's always uploaded on Dailymotion and/or popular wrestling stream site..."
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This weeks: http://free-downloaded.info/watch-lucha-underground-22416/#sthash.LlvDjUKT.dpbs

Also, if you have Xfinity/Comcast or can borrow someone's log in you can watch on Xfinity to go, even if your subscription doesn't include El Rey. They appear to be an episode behind though.

  

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346. "Finn Balor teasing Bullet Club (Karl Anderson and Festus) Monday"
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https://twitter.com/wwebalor/status/703650301593722881

  

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347. "Is there an NXT show or taping somewhere on Monday?"
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I'd mark the fuck out to see this happen on Raw but I have a had time seeing Vince actually doing that.

  

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348. "Nah I don't think so, could just be trolling though"
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or maybe it's just a new shirt coming out playing off of "bulletproof" or something

  

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350. "that would be a hell of a Mania program vs the Wyatts"
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353. "damn that would be kind of a dick move if that's all it is. "
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354. "he keeps teasing people with BC pictures"
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I wouldn't take anything he posts seriously.

  

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358. "Cena teasing Bullet Club?"
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BCShlMpmKLl/?taken-by=johncena

Most likely trolling, but this could be... interesting.

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359. "an opening 20-minute promo featuring triple h"
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glad the programming's improving.

  

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360. "Stephanie is Going. The. Fuck. In."
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Why wouldn't they start the show with this? She's spewing flames.

  

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361. "Yeah that was a GREAT promo. She's still the best heel in the company."
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362. "OK, I'll say it...The Undertaker is tired"
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and it needs to end. Years past his prime...made and remade and remade...For my money, he's the Big Slow with a LITTLE more mobility. No amount of pyro, lights, funeral music, and makeup can make me want to sit through yet another WM match with him...the streak is over...he lost the feud with Lesnar...

enough already.

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363. "The worst is there are people who STILL want a Taker/Sting match"
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That shit is 10 years too late. But I agree, The Undertaker just isn't a big deal anymore. He's not around enough for me to have any investment in his character or why he's fighting (now that the streak is over) and he's around too much to be an effective nostalgia act.

  

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366. "Do you not think you're being a tiny bit harsh?"
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I agree 100% that Taker should retire - only because he was a Mania attraction and Brock ended it. It genuinely makes no sense for him to continue when Brock has destroyed him.

...BUT, I do believe that Taker can still go - his last 2 matches with Brock were super physical and impressive and I think he and Shane will have an epic match (even though the match itself makes no sense).

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380. "That goose has cooked, ship has sailed, name your cliche,"
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The deadman is DEAD.

If they worked his age and mileage into the story in a meaningful way, then I’d agree with you. I think there are excellent stories to be told on that level but as we can all plainly see, WWE isn’t exactly a wellspring of creative, inspired storytelling. Even their “shock” attempts are tired retreads.

In fact, I’d say Taker is the greatest microcosm of the current state of WWE. Along with Cena, he’s the brightest, shiniest example of how terrible and terribly lazy they are creatively.

  

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364. "Lucha Underground FINALLY on iTunes."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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365. "More McMahon Mania. This shit is one big family jerk off session. "
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Just one big family orgy of ego.

I don't care what the circumstances are. I don't care how limited their options supposedly are.I don't care how much buzz there is about Shane.

This is fucking garbage.

The Ambrose shit is intriguing, at least until the inevitable same old same happens.

  

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369. "It's funny Amborse and Reigns are getting the exact same booking"
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Almost identical.

Both are being booked as the scrappy underdog who will take on the authority as well as anyone else in the world just to prove they are tough.

Both are being beaten up by giant groups and destroyed by HHH when they can't even stand.

One is leading to the crowd hating him more because he looks like a monster and the underdog makes no chocie and the other is leading to huge success because he looks like someone who the story makes sense for.

How can they not see how it works for one and not the other literally at once and still not get it?

  

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376. "I think Vince is looking a little exposed creatively. "
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Hogan was already a made man before the WWF machinery got a hold of him and Vince has created such a sterile, regimented, robotic environment that he’s stifling individual creativity and destroyed any chance of creating the sort of happy accidents that helped Stone Cold, The Rock and Cena develop into the megastars that followed.

Further, he established a glass ceiling for guys like Punk and Bryan (though Bryan’s injuries make for a highly nuanced discussion on this front) because he was hellbent on riding Cena, Takers streak, and Attitude-Ruthless Aggression era nostalgia into the ground. In years past he ran with similar guys like Shawn and Brett because he was hamstrung by the steroid issue but still stunk up the joint with the same terrible undercard shtick H he’s doing now. He’s allowed New Day to become VERY hit and miss and those misses are horrendous. Then you have this nonsense with Goldust and R Truth.

And you're absolutely right on the Reigns/Ambrose issue, but even then Ambrose has been reduced to something significantly less than the white-hot Austin/Piper/Pillman hybrid that he appeared to be during his feud with Seth.

What’s worse is neither should be portrayed as a scrappy underdog
They’ve screwed the pooch on the Shield big time. Each guy should have been presented as an incredibly strong badass after the split. Their individual strengths should have been different, but all three should have been booked as strong players who were all immediate threats to the WWE title right off the bat.

Instead we got:

-A year and a half of Steph and Hunter emasculating Seth. “The Architect” was basically a whiny pussy who was completely subservient to the McMahons. No balls, this guy. J&J was amusing though.

-Dean lost… and lost… and lost. And lost. And lost some more. We got, what? A completely nonsensical feud with Bray? We got a dope TLC match but it meant next to nothing in the big picture. He had a cool feud with Kevin Owens in terms of their matches but story wise? Meh.

-Sufferin’ Succotash. Seriously, they had Reigns saying that shit. I could end there to be honest. They also shit the bed on the build to his Mania match with Brock and when they finally had him face off against Brock and look strong, THEY DIDN’T EVEN AIR IT. Even then, they had those two doing a fucking tug of war with the belt.

Those three should be massive right now. They should all look strong.
That’s not even counting the Cesaro fuckup after that battle royal. They went with the J&J Security comedy act instead of the obvious choice of casting Cesaro on some Transporter shit as Seth’s personal security.

  

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386. "Not trolling, agree with everything you said"
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Only guy who I feel is perceived as being strong is Rollins, and that's because of his ring work not the booking. Anyone with eyes can tell he's the second coming of HBK. Meanwhile, Ambrose and Reigns have been stifled time and again.

  

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392. "You're 100% right re: Vince"
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He made one hell of a gamble, took a giant risk, WON, and has been riding the success of that, really hiding behind the belief that Vince McMahon is a genius, ever since.

I called out how every WWE success that people credit to Vince was actually an organic success with all props due to the wrestler himself, while every Vince pet project has been a failure with #130 here http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2494502&mesg_id=2494502&listing_type=search#2501567

The guy needs to go. People say he's out of touch, when really he was just never the creative genius we believe he was.

  

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375. "basically."
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the mr. macmahon/authority gimmick's basically 18 years old now. just kill it already.

  

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377. "We all know Linda is coming to this party too, right? "
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I’ll be shocked if she doesn’t, delusional political career or not.

  

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382. "Yea her political career is done, she'll be back"
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Vince's line about no longer being my son, just being a son of a bitch makes me think that was the opening for Linda.

  

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385. "god help us if that happens"
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might as well bring back trish stratus and re-boot the mistress angle too.

foh

  

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388. "May as well have a real family orgy in the mania main event"
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At least that would guarantee major changes and end any chance of seeing a McMahon on tv ever again, outside of some teary eyed Katie Couric interview.

  

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393. "Yeah, I don't think that line happens if Linda's not planning to be invo..."
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I'm guessing it'll be another deal with Vince/Stephanie in Taker's corner and Linda in Shane's.

I'm not mad at it because I'm fairly sure it'll be entertaining, but this is not long term booking. They're clearly shook as hell.

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378. "."
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367. "Is Big Show genuinely getting the IC match at Mania?"
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That would be a surprise if that's where they're headed.

Any idea who the US title will be defended against? (Guessing a LON member)

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368. "What a god damn waste"
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at the Rumble it seemed we would get KO vs AJ or KO vs Zayn, Then Undertaker rumors started.

Now we get the Big Show? The most useless member of the entire roster

  

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370. "I have a feeling the US title will be prize in the ladder match spot fes..."
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that we got last year with the IC title match, and used to get when the MITB was at Mania

  

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372. "seriously, that's an Extreme Rules-level feud at best."
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I'm enjoying Y2AJ more than I have any right to be, but christ, both AJ and KO could be used better by just feuding with each other.

  

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371. "Hmm. Disappointed in the Undertaker/Vince exchange."
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Surely they could've added a little more depth there, no? Why is the Undertaker so willing to do Vince's dirty work? And why should Undertaker be charged up to fight Shane, what issue does he have with him? And though Taker shows up on Raw less than 5 times a year, why WOULDN'T he want Shane to run the show?

Hope this plays out better in the weeks ahead. Seeing as both wrestlers are such huge fan favorites, it's going to be hard to portray either guy strong without making one or the other look like a weak baby or bully heel.

  

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373. "I was joking that mania his basically his own personal purge"
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he just gets to murder a guy for one day a year in front of thousands. doesn't particularly care who it is at this point.

  

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374. "Ya that's basically it"
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Nobody stepped up to challenge him but he needs to fight somebody so he'll fight the guy in front of him.

It's dumb writing, but there is virtually 0 storylines you could put that would make a ton of sense for why Taker would do this fight. Vince has no real power of him in terms of title shots etc...

If anything the only sensible story would be if Taker loses or refuses to fight he is fired, but that is played out.

  

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381. "they should just go &quot;real life&quot; here....Taker is a WWE guy thr..."
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Therefore, he's a "Vince guy". Move on from the gimmick, and let him be a "Vince guy". He keeps the locker room in line right, or at least he did when he was around? Play on that, just make him be a heel d*ck about it, if he's on Vince/Stephanie/HHH's side.

  

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387. " that's really where I thought we were headed"
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Like "oh cool, some actual nuance"

It makes great sense that Vince would call in Taker, they're bosom buddies. But surely Taker must fee a way about having to do Vince's dirty work right? Ehh whatever

  

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394. "Yep, this."
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Could've styled it out so easily with Stooge-taker... air some dirty laundry about a Wrestler's Court verdict, Shane being locked out of the dressing room or even a locker room revolt against Taker taking Vince's side to give it the "reality" edge for all us Network-addicted smarks.

Play out the HIAC with McMahons in the corners for an old fashioned slobberknocker (c) Ross ... just when it looks like Taker is about to finish off Shane, half of the entire roster charge the ring, rip apart the HIAC, give Shane the win and kidnap Taker.

Bray Wyatt steals the urn.

Taker is never seen again.

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379. "vince russo on austin's podcast yesterday"
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did you hear it? yeah russo's russo, but he brought up some really good points about why most guys aren't over --- namely a lack of strong, diverse characters. he used an ambrose/owens fumbled angle from a prior RAW as an example. about the 35-minute mark: http://tinyurl.com/grgogll

  

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383. "bro, listen, thanks for linking me to this, bro"
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i love me some vince russo, bro

  

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384. "lol"
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is Wrestling Bro a term yet?

definitely the last guy you'd wanna invite to a group happy hour.

  

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391. "The biggest point Russo made that I've felt for a while"
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was the fact that in the Attitude Era the wrestlers seemed to absolutely HATE each other, and they were in a FIGHT when they were in the ring.

Nowadays these wrestlers who are feuding are interacting backstage or in the ring for 20 minute promos and there isn't even a feeling of uneasiness or the chance of physical conflict. How am I supposed to believe that A and B hate each other and want to rip each other's heads off if they don't even try to get in a fight any chance they are within 5 feet of each other?

I remember when I first started watching, Bret and Austin were still in their year long feud. In fact, my first Raw episode was the night of their street fight wear Austin put Hart in an ambulance and ended up being in the driver's seat waiting for him. These two couldn't STAND each other. If they were ever in the same ring at the same time (which was rare in itself) the audience was just waiting for them to go at it. It wasn't a matter of IF it was a matter of WHEN. There was no comedy, there were no childish insults. It was "I hate you" "I'm gonna kick your ass" etc.

By the time two people get in the ring at a PPV, if they haven't already had 2 matches on Raw/SmackDown in the weeks leading up to it, they have been interacting with each other enough already that seeing them in the ring together loses it's appeal. The "anything can happen" feeling whenever two wrestlers who hate each other are in the same arena, let alone the same ring, just isn't there anymore.

  

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395. "It's the over-reliance on 50/50 IMO"
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Feuding wrestlers actually wrestle too many televised matches against each other. Absolutely, play the feuds out on tour, but they can't keep with the predictability of the current format - Wrestler A interrupts Wrestler B's match. Next week, Wrestler A beats Wrestler B. Next week Wrestler B beats Wrestler A in a murky finish. Rubber match at PPV.

Every
Fucking
Time

They don't need to even be using proper matches a lot of the time. More backstage beatdowns. More parking lot altercations. More PILMAN'S GOT A GUN

Give me a reason why these men HATE each other, not just why they want to earn a W.

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399. "what's the hottest feud right now? Dean and Brock. Why?"
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Because they've only had PPV matches. The rest of the program has been savage beatdowns. Same, actually, with Ambrose and Aitches, and that's just for a one-off special.

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401. "It's also why Brock as champ felt special"
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His fights had big fight feels to them because they only happened every so often. I get why people dislike that, but it's so much better than seeing Rollins as the champ fighting non title matches every week.

  

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405. "I get that you want the champ on every show"
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So have him defend against total tomato cans. Especially if he's the so-called Authority's choice.

That was actually the fun part about Cena having the US belt.

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406. "The end of Cena's US Title reign baffles me."
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Week after week he had these fantastic matches with up-and-comers. Even though he was winning everyone came out looking great. It set up the US title as being a big deal. It also felt (to me) like a long ass setup to a rookie stealing the title away some lucky day. Even though it's Cena, it only makes sense that an open challenge would bite him in the ass at some point.

Fast forward a few months and out comes Del Rio. Now I'm a big fan of the guy, but given that he's not new this was an odd choice to usurp Cena. I also can't remember a quicker Cena loss (7-8 minutes) and they didn't even make a big deal about it. It's a Cena loss! Every time you mention Del Rio's title you should say who he won it off of. They've barely mentioned it at all and now the title is right back to where it was. The Kalisto feud was fun enough, and I'm glad he's holding the title now, but what was all that for?

  

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409. "RE: The end of Cena's US Title reign baffles me."
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I was actually very wrong over that Cena weekly title defense angle. I remember posting about how I didn't see it being a good thing that Cena would run through the roster every week but I felt his matches were very respectful of his opponents - even Stardust seemed to push Cena to a point. He had killer matches with KO, Cesaro, Sami Zayn...

I don't know how much WWE's DVD sales are at this point (with the Network etc) but a themed DVD with ALL the Cena US title matches surely couldn't be a bad thing?

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423. "that'd be a great idea"
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those Cesaro matches were 2 of the best Raw matches I've seen. They were originally planning on having a DB vs. Cena match in London but that's around when he went down again so they subbed in Barrett. Would've loved to see that one.

  

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402. "RE: It's the over-reliance on 50/50 IMO"
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>Feuding wrestlers actually wrestle too many televised matches
>against each other.

exactly. leading into their fastlane match, ziggler and owens had worked 4 televised matches in 30 days. why would i be invested?

give owens a jobber to get his moveset over. give ziggler a jobber to build up some actual offense.

hell, a PPV in itself nowadays is just another RAW, except it's on the network.

Absolutely, play the feuds out on tour,
>but they can't keep with the predictability of the current
>format - Wrestler A interrupts Wrestler B's match.

and a promo. is there anything more predictable nowadays in wrestling than a guy having his promo interrupted? how am i supposed to organically buy into his message if he can't even finish telling why he's gonna beat up so-and-so, drop the mic, and walk off like a boss.

worse now, it's a mcmahon.



Next week,
>Wrestler A beats Wrestler B. Next week Wrestler B beats
>Wrestler A in a murky finish. Rubber match at PPV.
>
>Every
>Fucking
>Time
>
>They don't need to even be using proper matches a lot of the
>time. More backstage beatdowns. More parking lot altercations.
>More PILMAN'S GOT A GUN
>
>Give me a reason why these men HATE each other, not just why
>they want to earn a W.

all of this. 50/50 booking and essentially the death of the heel character dominating 75% of a match, drawing crowd (non-smark) sympathy to the babyface via ring psychology.

seizure-inducing camera work's a problem too.

  

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410. "Hitman vs Austin is my favourite feud of all time..."
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I could go on for hours about how much impact that had on the face of wrestling, and how in many ways, it was the birth of the Attitude era but to your point - I did honestly believe they HATED each other. I was genuinely shocked to hear about how close they were behind the scenes.

As you say though, during the whole run of their feud, they didn't actually have that many matches: as I remember it, their first one-on-one was at Survivor Series and their second was Mania 13. There was unlimited promos, attacks and beat downs in between though.

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389. "THE DEBUT: "Network Nuggets", March 2016"
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An idea:

- in every new Wrestling post, each one of us posts one "nugget" from the Network - a match that many may be unfamiliar with. For example, though Austin vs Bret at Mania 13 is great that's an obvious pick that everyone already knows is great. Let's put each other onto stuff that's more obscure. Have a great Stunning Steve vs Ricky Steamboat match on a random episode of WCW Saturday Night that you love? Put us on. Is there a slept-on Road Warriors vs Tully and Arn match you swear by? Put us on.

- Each month we'll do this. Post your ONE match for the month below, we'll each watch and respond. Kind of like a book club for smarks.

- whenever there's a new Wrestling post, we'll start a new "Network Nuggets" post within that post and start over.


This idea was brought on by a match I stumbled across over the weekend (posted below) ... I feel like I use the Network to watch the same shit over and over - Mania 17, Foley Hell in a Cell, Cena vs Punk at MITB bla bla bla. Let's all find some new stuff together.

Can't wait to see what everyone comes up with!

  

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390. "The Rock vs Eddie Guerrero, Raw, 7/22/02"
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The easiest way to find this match is to simply search "The Rock vs Eddie Guerrero"

I was moved to find this match after I saw a picture on WWE.com of the Rock slapping Eddie Guerrero. I never recalled seeing them work together and immediately got on the Network to see what I could find.

This match is a prime example of just how LOADED the roster was in the early 2000s. Rock and Eddie come out hot and keep the crowd jacked for an entire 15 minutes, never really slowing down. There's really no powders in the match, these guys go at a breakneck pace for about 15 minutes and they're both JUST. SO. OVER. Check out how Rock tries to chain wrestle with the more accomplished grappler, and likewise remind yourself that Eddie had the best fire out of anyone.

Even crazier than the pace of this match is the timing in which it took place - this is the DAY AFTER the classic Angle/Taker/Rock triple threat at Vengeance, and is the first Raw leading up to the historic Rock vs Brock tilt at Summerslam 2002. In the middle of these two milestones is a lost gem pitting the "People's Champ" vs "Latino Heat", two of the top 15 wrestlers of all time just going at it in the main event of a TV taping - for what appears to be the only time ever.

  

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397. "great idea. will get back to this. n/m"
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416. "theres a tag match with Rock vs Eddie at some point. "
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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396. "I've been reliving Shane O' Mac matches"
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And I'd forgotten just how BRUTAL the KOTR Street Fight with Kurt Angle is.

King Of The Ring 2001, match before the main event.

I don't even understand how Shane's head is still in one piece.

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415. "that KOR glass window spot is sooooo stupid"
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shane bout fucked around and got paralyzed there.

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417. "I just re-watched this one..."
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So vicious!

I always cite Kurt Angle as one of the few guys who ever really "got it" when it came to pro wrestling. A great talker, a great character, hugely funny, but could also beat the living hell out of you in the ring. He truly is one of the best ever.

And Shane is... well Shane is Shane. Dude is in a class of his own.

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419. "Yep, all this."
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I feel like I missed Angle's prime really - it was in one of my breaks from wrestling, but whenever I've gone back he blows me away... absolutely untouchable performer. He's everything - psychology, story-telling, technical ability, intensity...

If he's really serious about hooking up with American Alpha things might get EXTREMELY entertaining.

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398. "RE: Sign me up..."
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I'm gonna be rolling up with some sneaky Stone Cold matches. I especially love his psycho heel run.

I have to find it, but the week he wrestled Benoit 2x was special.

Jimaveli

>An idea:
>
>- in every new Wrestling post, each one of us posts one
>"nugget" from the Network - a match that many may be
>unfamiliar with. For example, though Austin vs Bret at Mania
>13 is great that's an obvious pick that everyone already knows
>is great. Let's put each other onto stuff that's more obscure.
>Have a great Stunning Steve vs Ricky Steamboat match on a
>random episode of WCW Saturday Night that you love? Put us on.
>Is there a slept-on Road Warriors vs Tully and Arn match you
>swear by? Put us on.
>
>- Each month we'll do this. Post your ONE match for the month
>below, we'll each watch and respond. Kind of like a book club
>for smarks.
>
>- whenever there's a new Wrestling post, we'll start a new
>"Network Nuggets" post within that post and start over.
>
>
>This idea was brought on by a match I stumbled across over the
>weekend (posted below) ... I feel like I use the Network to
>watch the same shit over and over - Mania 17, Foley Hell in a
>Cell, Cena vs Punk at MITB bla bla bla. Let's all find some
>new stuff together.
>
>Can't wait to see what everyone comes up with!

  

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400. "austin vs. michaels, king of the ring '97"
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30 minutes of STRAIGHT UP work rate.

the angle was kinda fascinating. both went into this match against each other as improbably-thrown-together tag champs, while at the same time beefing with the hart foundation, while at the same time not really liking each other. i mean, they'd cut promo against each other on shotgun saturday night, each holding a tag belt in the same ring!

austin was supposed to face pillman at this PPV. hbk was supposed to face the hitman. pillman was having problems with his ankle (supposedly), and we know the hbk/bret backstage issues, so vince scrubbed the card. it worked, though.

strong characters write themselves.

the finish is probably one of the reasons why the match doesn't get as much love as it should. 4.5 stars.

  

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403. "Hart Foundation are also front row for this match too right?"
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Watching their two most hated enemies beat the shit out of each other.

  

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404. "ya know, they might've been"
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it's been a minute. pretty sure bret was on crutches selling his "bad leg" at the hands of austin.

  

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407. "yea this match rules"
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So much slow deliberate selling and the crowd just gots hotter and hotter by the minute. Both these guys' characters were just so believable.

Hate the clumsy finish, but the respectful tension between them as they walked up the ramp was really interesting. Watching Austin here is a trip - as over as he is at this time he's still a long way from the heights he would reach.

  

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408. "RE: yea this match rules"
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>So much slow deliberate selling and the crowd just gots
>hotter and hotter by the minute. Both these guys' characters
>were just so believable.
>
>Hate the clumsy finish, but the respectful tension between
>them as they walked up the ramp was really interesting.
>Watching Austin here is a trip - as over as he is at this time
>he's still a long way from the heights he would reach.

I tend to trip out about how good Austin was post-neck stuff. I know he did a lot of punching and kicking to help work around his health stuff but still...dude could put on a match when he was feeling even kinda alright.

I continue to imagine how silly good he would've been without the neck and knee stuff. He would've had a shot at being considered in the same vein with Ric and Shawn. As it stands now, he's basically viewed as a better Hoke Hogan or a Cena with more/better experience. And a shorter 'hot run'.

  

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412. "watched the full match again last night"
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i'd forgotten that austin attacked pillman from behind during a backstage promo, put his head in the toilet and flushed it. lol

then when austin was backstage walking to the curtain to make his entrance, the hart foundation just happened to be in the same area (kayfabe), and both sides had to be "separated".

like another poster said, it just had the feeling of real HATE.

(if you listen to vince on the stick too, he's putting over austin as a tweener with still a heel edge against hbk, lending PATIENCE to the process of the double-turn that had happened at WM13... "i'm not sure why the crowd cheers him, but they do")

it's the smart little pieces of storytelling like that that extended the austin vs. hart family fued and kept it fresh, with an eventual build/payoff at summerslam against owen and the intercontinental strap... notwithstanding the piledriver-paralysis-pinfall-by-wtf-rollup cluster of a finish.

  

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418. "I completely forgot this match existed..."
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I always thought their first televised match was Mania 14.

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411. "I LOVE this idea. My pick: Hitman vs Bulldog, IYH 1995"
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This one's for the Heavyweight title and is a few years after their SummerSlam match. I'm a Hitman stand and this ranks as one of my favourite matches ever - it's really the second half when things completely switch gears.

Probably doesn't rank as a really under the radar suggestion but I wanted to highlight it as I just never hear it get talked about. Such a classic!

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413. "i'ma peep this one soon."
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>This one's for the Heavyweight title and is a few years after
>their SummerSlam match. I'm a Hitman stand and this ranks as
>one of my favourite matches ever - it's really the second half
>when things completely switch gears.

yeah, for a beefy guy, the bulldog could work.

>Probably doesn't rank as a really under the radar suggestion
>but I wanted to highlight it as I just never hear it get
>talked about. Such a classic!

their match in wembley is probably #1. not too many pops approach that level.

after davey won and they were standing in the ring together, bret said that backstage he'd told davey to extend for a handshake (which he did), except that bret would refuse to shake, davey would lower his hand, and that bret would angrily exit the ring. he said something like they "could have had the entire arena in tears". but davey f'd up by continuing to beg him, so bret went along with it and they hugged. (paraphrasing)

  

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421. "Davey could've been champ had his head been on straight..."
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I don't know what Davey was on (booze, drugs) but it ruined what could've been an incredible career. He was "impaired" during the SummerSlam match and Bret's often talked about how he had to lead Davey through the whole thing (including ruining the ending as you say).

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422. "The chapter on this match in Bret's book is great"
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Yeah, Davey was drugged out of his mind and forget every single detail about the match, so Bret had to tell him step by step what to do throughout the match as they performed.

  

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414. "Something of a postjack, but not really"
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I don't have the Network so I don't know what's available on it, but a classic match from my early fandom from a series of matches that they had against each other...All Japan Pro Wrestling

AJPW Champion Carnival 1993...Mitsuharu Misawa vs Stan "The Lariat" Hansen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-Pq1g-bQ0

Hansen is one of my all time favorites and Misawa was a legend. All hail "the bad man from Borger, TX"

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420. "Mr. Perfect vs. Doink, KOTR qualifier"
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This is OG Doink, too, who could freaking go. http://youtu.be/MChUsZxGfaw

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