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"OkayBlowhards Week 7 Recap: Perfection Always Wins"
Wed Oct-28-15 01:27 PM by cereffusion

  

          

Told you I'd be back.

I. Week 7 Recap

The Perfect Plexes 170.34, John Cena #1 Fan 125.58

An absolutely perfect game from the Plexes. Stan tried to out-heel me with a Ric Flair inspired theme this week but nothing beats Perfect. Edelman's broke-ass finger may be a big concern moving forward for ThoughtProfcess but he's got a real team moving forward with Rodgers/Ingram/Hurns/Gronk. The Fighting Carls lost a key piece of the team with Arian's fragile ass vegan ligaments breaking but Eddie Lazy had the bye week to recover and YELDON IS LEGIT STOP RUNNING TOBY OVER AND OVER YOU IDIOTS.

Shawn's Team 117.54, YARP YARP YARP 103.08

Can we talk about bad Shawn's team is? He somehow has 3 wins but he is DEAD LAST in true ranking including being last in breakdown, points, and coach rating. WTF? How is this possible? He's 6 points behind the last place team. What a fraud! Speaking of frauds, rookie #3 is on warning for starting an injured player. TF you wanna come into this league for if you're lazy about it? SMH

Ernie 93.70, BJGELLC 89.40

Terrible showing by both teams. Ernie thinks Chris Ivory is somehow going to save his team. He won't. Woodhead better. Ceej should have started Derek Carr. Both teams will end up in the losers bracket IMO TBH.

Emo Tornado 143.40, Last Place Professor 128.36

FIRE SALE! Although I doubt Perfesser will be able to complete a trade because he way overvalues his own players and way undervalues other people's players. He still 'likes his team' despite 1 win. Emo Guy didn't need to blast Thursday's new album while he sobbed into a kleenex this weekend as his team put up a very impressive number despite getting negatives from Blount. Gurley, Coop a Loop, and Diggs could provide a really solid supplement to Tommy Cheater and spark a late season run for the CryGuys.

Casey 150.74, NYU Footbal 108.82

Casey continues his hot streak with a fine showing in a match-up that was never in doubt. Freeman only put up 14 - is he coming back down to Earth? Was Smuts stay in the executive lounge as fraudulent as we all know it was?

Willie Numbers 125.18, Hof 96.50

There must be something wrong. How could a team with Christine Michael, Matt Jones, Theo Riddick, and Ahmad Bradshaw not even score triple digits? If I had those four studs I'd never shut up about it for some reason and I'd probably never lose a game! KC - can you check with NFL.com? Clearly there's some scoring error here. It just can't be possible!

II. Standings b/w True Don't Lie

Willie #s 6-1 (4)
Yours Truly 5-2 (1) <------
Pretentious Guy 5-2 (2)
Smutssss 5-2 (3)
Hof 4-3 and falling (5)
Casey 4-3 and rising (6)
Ernie somehow 3-4 (10) uhoh...
Shawn 3-4 (12) Is this for real?
Emo Tornado 2-5 (7)
YARP 2-5 (9)
CEEJ 2-5 (8)
BShelly 1-6 (11)

III. Week 8

The Perfect Plexes v Yarp Cake Thing Something

The third and final stage of my rookie gauntlet. Can whoever the owner of this team is keep me from the sweep? Unfortunately, rookie running back sensation Touchdown TJ is on the bye but a revitalized Eddie Lazy will lead the way against what will probably be an empty lineup because he like 'forgot' or something.

Prediction: Perfection 172, Yarp 99

Ceej v Hof

The numbers say Ceej's team is better than his record. Imagine how much better his record would be if he trusted in Derek Carr? Hof's bench looks really promising to maybe score 2-6 FP a piece.

Prediction: Hof by a lot.

Stunning Stan v Fraud Shawn

I hope that moving out to California doesn't distract TP from setting his line-up and stuff. Moving is really stressful and it takes a lot of energy. Hope it goes well and you enjoy your new life in sunny Portland, Oregon.

Prediction: Shawn won't hit 70.

Casey v Real Men Cry (c)

Guru's got this one as a tight match-up. Casey's won 3 in a row but Tearnado needs a win to keep his hopes alive for the season.

Prediction: KC by 10. His lineup looks pretty formidable right now TBCFH.

Ernie v Perfesser

A couple middling franchises squaring off in a game that Red Zone will only tune to if every other game is on commercial. The perf is taller than you'd expect. FYI.

Prediction: His team stinks but it's not 1 win bad. Perfesser 112.50, Ernie 87.01

GAME OF THE WEEK

Smuts on a train v Will

This week's executive vs last week's executive. Guru has it as a close one but I like Smuts to bounce back as Charizard West falls back into obscurity for Will. Also Will must really love Robbie Gould because he's rostering two kickers right now. And he's the first place team ladies and gentleman.

Prediction: Smuts 120 - Will 101

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Swhat I get for making assumptions
Oct 28th 2015
1
on the bright side, you bout to be really clean
Oct 28th 2015
4
      DARKWA IS FALLING
Oct 28th 2015
5
There's a london game again, so make sure to set your lineups today
Oct 28th 2015
2
^^helping out his fellow rookies
Oct 28th 2015
3
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3094/2766803763_a3b0683670.jpg
Oct 28th 2015
6
people only care that I show up, tbh
Oct 28th 2015
7
TBCFH = To Be Completely F---n Honest???
Oct 28th 2015
8
Yes
Oct 29th 2015
11
I can see why cere is loving these rookies
Oct 29th 2015
9
True don't lie and
Oct 29th 2015
10
A win this week will be uh oh
Oct 29th 2015
12
hey guys my team isn't as bad as the numbers say
Oct 29th 2015
13
Or nothing like that at all
Oct 29th 2015
14
Beckham is the #9 WR right now.
Oct 30th 2015
16
      Thanks for the breakdown
Oct 30th 2015
19
      Request for a Barnbridge synposis
Oct 30th 2015
20
      Big Game Barnidge, please.
Oct 30th 2015
21
      personally I want to read more about Matt Jones
Oct 30th 2015
22
           Who?
Oct 30th 2015
23
           Matt "Earl Campbell Jr." Jones
Oct 30th 2015
25
           So keepable
Oct 30th 2015
24
                very highly maybe keeper eligible
Oct 30th 2015
26
      good work, will
Nov 01st 2015
29
      Thanks again for breakdown.
Nov 01st 2015
30
Funny how when things arent going their way folks are quiet.....
Oct 29th 2015
15
Never understood this point
Oct 30th 2015
17
Dion says hi, Sarah.
Oct 30th 2015
18
say my name right
Oct 30th 2015
27
      I put the "h" at the end.
Oct 30th 2015
      I put the "h" at the end.
Oct 30th 2015
28
Uh oh
Nov 01st 2015
31
Funny how when things arent going their way folks are quiet.....
Nov 02nd 2015
32
Never understood this point
Nov 02nd 2015
33
      ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nov 02nd 2015
34
Up 2, Cam vs. Bustcrief. I like my odds.
Nov 02nd 2015
35
Is the gamecenter not available to everyone?
Nov 02nd 2015
36
Y U NO DRAFT JRUE BREEZ!?!?!?
Nov 02nd 2015
37
i believe in jesus crief.
Nov 02nd 2015
38
Whoever does the next update please predict me losing by a lot
Nov 02nd 2015
39
APOLOGIZE TO BABY LATE 90s TIKI BARBER BELOW.
Nov 02nd 2015
40
Come up with a more concise nickname and I'll think about it.
Nov 02nd 2015
41
the way i'm holding this team together is nothing short of heroic
Nov 03rd 2015
42
seriously? at best people are skimming this.
Nov 03rd 2015
43
10/10. Your best work of fiction yet.
Nov 03rd 2015
44
Arent we all
Nov 03rd 2015
45
we are.
Nov 03rd 2015
47
fuck you
Nov 03rd 2015
48
      Hey pal
Nov 03rd 2015
49
           backfield's great, thanks.
Nov 03rd 2015
50
All those genius moves and you couldnt handcuff ur 30 yr old RB1?
Nov 03rd 2015
46
lazy scored. good sign moving forward.
Nov 03rd 2015
51
And that Woodhead thing was fun while it lasted
Nov 03rd 2015
52
it will still be fun.
Nov 03rd 2015
54
Dion for Witten = +32
Nov 03rd 2015
53
      you make trades based on what you know at the time
Nov 03rd 2015
55
           yep. And I knew after Jonas got cut that Dion would be leading touches
Nov 03rd 2015
56
                I had dion in multiple leagues
Nov 03rd 2015
60
                     "other leagues"
Nov 04th 2015
125
Now that's a fucking fire sale
Nov 03rd 2015
57
Looks shady as all fuck
Nov 03rd 2015
58
      No invisible hats here.
Nov 03rd 2015
59
      Im dumping for keepers.
Nov 03rd 2015
61
      wack. also, u could have asked too
Nov 03rd 2015
65
           You can't expect people to come to you
Nov 03rd 2015
67
                i just think trading for keepers is kinda wack
Nov 03rd 2015
70
                I posted that I was having a fire sale
Nov 03rd 2015
76
                     i'm not gonna disrespect the league/u with my offer *shrug*
Nov 03rd 2015
80
                          Yeah so you slept and got burned. Lesson learn.
Nov 03rd 2015
85
                               that;s stupid ass logic
Nov 03rd 2015
87
                                    You seem very hurt about your rookie learning curve
Nov 03rd 2015
91
      Of course it is. Can't go thru and shells should be contracted.
Nov 03rd 2015
62
           what the shit is happening.
Nov 03rd 2015
63
           Childish Detroit collusion
Nov 03rd 2015
64
           Its not normal, its Shelly being petty
Nov 03rd 2015
69
                Petty about what?
Nov 03rd 2015
72
                being awful
Nov 03rd 2015
75
                     seriously. do a little research on keepers, reach out
Nov 03rd 2015
77
                          did you make the offer? No.
Nov 03rd 2015
81
                               we're talking cross purposes. I wouldn't have thought it respectful
Nov 03rd 2015
84
                                    so you didn't understand blowhards. Now you do. Next year do better.
Nov 03rd 2015
88
                                         And in all cases, you're the loser
Nov 03rd 2015
92
                                              I'm not the one acting like a loser right now
Nov 03rd 2015
96
                                                   Needed a qb and rb2. Winning. Thanks
Nov 03rd 2015
97
                                                        Then why you so sore about what other teams are doing
Nov 03rd 2015
98
                                                             I hadn't yet joined the fun. But I get it now
Nov 03rd 2015
99
                Its me doing what's best for my team
Nov 03rd 2015
74
                     Abd now my team doesn't have a shot
Nov 03rd 2015
101
                     its still early. man up.
Nov 03rd 2015
106
                     you should stop acting like the "keepers" you got are
Nov 04th 2015
147
           don't presume to tell me about the league I started, little man
Nov 03rd 2015
100
                Cere and myself
Nov 03rd 2015
104
                     Just saying, you wanna put your dick on the table
Nov 03rd 2015
108
                          ok, you kinda lost me there. good luck next year
Nov 03rd 2015
111
GURLEY FOR TWO KEEPERS
Nov 03rd 2015
66
magilla, fuck it. what u need, bro?
Nov 03rd 2015
68
I offered first
Nov 03rd 2015
71
That's the spirit!! Let mockery live!!
Nov 03rd 2015
73
      I didn't do this to hurt your feelings, but it's an amazing extra
Nov 03rd 2015
79
           outworked. it's a fantasy league
Nov 03rd 2015
82
           Sorry you weren't ready for blowhards. We go hard.
Nov 03rd 2015
86
                We used to. Twas a good run
Nov 03rd 2015
93
                that's going hard? i can trade some stars for bullshit too
Nov 03rd 2015
95
                     for someone that wanted in for years
Nov 03rd 2015
105
                          Because I didn't pillage w my keepers in a trade?
Nov 03rd 2015
113
                               its obviously a prank
Nov 03rd 2015
116
           I'm cool. Got huge upgrades to my starting lineup. I'll go out on top
Nov 03rd 2015
90
Once KC finishing Walking Dead this will all be rectified
Nov 03rd 2015
78
No. It's already rectified
Nov 03rd 2015
83
      Oh
Nov 03rd 2015
89
magilla, u want it, it's yours.
Nov 03rd 2015
94
check yo desk.
Nov 03rd 2015
103
      looking forward to your work
Nov 03rd 2015
110
           where does this temper tantrum set the bar?
Nov 03rd 2015
112
                calmer than you are
Nov 03rd 2015
124
                     lolololololololololol
Nov 04th 2015
132
I knew this sounded familiar:
Nov 03rd 2015
102
lol
Nov 03rd 2015
107
      grown men change their minds.
Nov 03rd 2015
109
           i'll miss our banter most of all
Nov 03rd 2015
114
                are you like this in IRL?
Nov 03rd 2015
115
                     Upstanding? Moral? Virtuous?
Nov 03rd 2015
117
                          says the guy who tanked. YOU TANKED.
Nov 03rd 2015
118
                               Tf u talkin about?
Nov 03rd 2015
119
                                    for waiver priority. you cleared your line up
Nov 03rd 2015
120
                                         Lol. Attempting to improve my own team.
Nov 03rd 2015
121
                                              those allegations are pretty fucked up dude. honestly.
Nov 03rd 2015
122
                                              What allegations?
Nov 03rd 2015
123
                                              Collusion=Carl and Pro reaching out to me
Nov 04th 2015
131
                                                   thats why he's so mad. lack of imagination.
Nov 04th 2015
137
you guys know what the most dangerous sea in the world is?
Nov 04th 2015
126
it's the same thing every year.
Nov 04th 2015
139
Try and talk me out of this trade
Nov 04th 2015
127
Here comes my run, fuckers.
Nov 04th 2015
128
you should all be trembling when facing my team.
Nov 04th 2015
129
This shit is a joke.
Nov 04th 2015
130
childish overreactions.
Nov 04th 2015
133
DARKWA IS FALLING
Nov 04th 2015
134
rookies ruined the league. smh.
Nov 04th 2015
135
that assumption is so big that words can't do it justice
Nov 04th 2015
138
      like Donte Studcrief
Nov 04th 2015
140
      I saw the Darkwa trade this morning
Nov 04th 2015
142
           does he even qualify as this year's branden oliver?
Nov 04th 2015
146
      Also, I tried to give Rorkie a much better package and he CAME BACK w/ t...
Nov 04th 2015
166
      RE: that assumption is so big that words can't do it justice
Nov 04th 2015
177
           great sample size. cmon rookie.
Nov 04th 2015
198
for the record, I think I gave jersey some great potential keepers
Nov 04th 2015
136
Next year Karlos will be 2nd string behind a big money free agent
Nov 04th 2015
141
      rookies just don't know better. ernie should.
Nov 04th 2015
144
      and that's YOUR assessment
Nov 04th 2015
149
           stan's trade is less offensive and less reactionary
Nov 04th 2015
151
           not one of the worst pending deals isn't saying much
Nov 04th 2015
152
                RE: not one of the worst pending deals isn't saying much
Nov 04th 2015
154
                that's part of the reason this is obviously stupid
Nov 04th 2015
158
                     did they? how many sure thing keepers get traded?
Nov 04th 2015
160
                you're acting like judging keeper potential is an exact science
Nov 04th 2015
162
                     he's always like that.
Nov 04th 2015
165
                     they could be good.
Nov 04th 2015
171
                          are you new?
Nov 04th 2015
174
                               so we agree on those garbage trades. cool.
Nov 04th 2015
206
                                    you're not making much sense today.
Nov 04th 2015
209
                                         so we don't agree on the thing you said we agree on?
Nov 04th 2015
225
                                              I think we sorted it out below.
Nov 04th 2015
227
Its a shamockery
Nov 04th 2015
143
      he's not sharing in your temper tantrum, child
Nov 04th 2015
145
      it's really fucking stupid
Nov 04th 2015
148
           i'd be pretty happy heading into next year
Nov 04th 2015
150
                or matt jones, or duke johnson, or woodhead, or any of my 45 other optio...
Nov 04th 2015
155
                remember when everyone thought CJ Anderson was a great keeper?
Nov 04th 2015
159
                you said Danny Woodhead
Nov 04th 2015
167
                     where's he rank? would you like him on your team?
Nov 04th 2015
169
                     I've won this league twice.
Nov 04th 2015
173
                          yeah....i didn't call you a child.
Nov 04th 2015
178
                               I win this league a lot.
Nov 04th 2015
192
                                    how is that so offensive to you?
Nov 04th 2015
195
                     RE: you said Danny Woodhead
Nov 04th 2015
170
                          you might have ripped me off, TBH.
Nov 04th 2015
172
                          He's definitely a regular top 10 player
Nov 04th 2015
175
                               8 weeks is a pretty good stretch, isn't it?
Nov 04th 2015
176
                               :/
Nov 04th 2015
179
                                    let's review
Nov 04th 2015
183
                                    u do know how bye weeks work, right?
Nov 04th 2015
207
                                         so he's top 10? thanks for helping me win the argument.
Nov 04th 2015
211
                                    the most galling thing about my season
Nov 04th 2015
190
                                         he's perfectly servicable and having a great year *this year*
Nov 04th 2015
197
                                              yeah you're not good at understanding what's happening.
Nov 04th 2015
200
                                              for example:
Nov 04th 2015
202
                                              RE: yeah you're not good at understanding what's happening.
Nov 04th 2015
203
                                                   i have defended them.
Nov 04th 2015
208
                                                        your assumptions ane accusations are baseless
Nov 04th 2015
223
                                                             well you did kinda mis-represent things.
Nov 04th 2015
228
                                                                  BFFs or whatevs
Nov 04th 2015
235
                                              and 2013
Nov 04th 2015
213
                                                   trades should only involved good players except for when they do
Nov 04th 2015
214
                                                        danny woodhead is white and little so he can't possibly be good
Nov 04th 2015
218
                                                             plus his name is woodhead
Nov 04th 2015
234
                               he was top 20 in 2013 and in 2014 before he got hurt
Nov 04th 2015
181
                                    they don't pay attention. smh.
Nov 04th 2015
189
                                    i seriously can't believe i'm below some of these people in the standing...
Nov 04th 2015
191
                                    your Woodhead trade is a typical bad keeper trade
Nov 04th 2015
219
                                         So we essentially agree! After all that!
Nov 04th 2015
224
                                         it took me a while to dig through all these awful trades
Nov 04th 2015
231
                                              you know how one or two bad apples can ruin your peck?
Nov 04th 2015
233
                                         I gave jersey 2 young WRs who are on pace for 1,000 yards THIS year
Nov 04th 2015
230
                                              but danny woodhead can't possibly be #3 overall in PPR!
Nov 04th 2015
232
                                              and moncrief can't possibly be valuable with hilton leaving town
Nov 04th 2015
239
                                                   shit, if Luck's healthy Moncrief is valuable af
Nov 04th 2015
244
                                              Again, Snead and Hurns are decent prospects
Nov 04th 2015
237
                                                   I think they are. You're not going to get Beckhams or Forsetts
Nov 04th 2015
240
                                                   no one is going to trade a keeper they think will help them this year
Nov 04th 2015
247
                                                        which is still better than keeping COLSTON
Nov 04th 2015
249
                                                        fuck yes i would have.
Nov 04th 2015
251
                                                             then i guess you should have tried harder
Nov 04th 2015
255
                                                   and honestly, Snead might be one of the best keepers for next year
Nov 04th 2015
250
                as usual I'm lost in your sarcasm
Nov 04th 2015
156
                     you should maybe try watching football.
Nov 04th 2015
157
                     talent isn't the reason Gordon has no fantasy value
Nov 04th 2015
164
                          lets review the trades from the past 5 years and the reactions
Nov 04th 2015
168
                               people overreacting other years isn't an argument
Nov 04th 2015
182
                                    i would not defend that one. that's children shit.
Nov 04th 2015
193
                                         I don't recall trades this bad
Nov 04th 2015
201
                                              is the early darkness causing all this emoness?
Nov 04th 2015
205
                                              here's my honest question:
Nov 04th 2015
236
                                                   THANK YOU.
Nov 04th 2015
306
                     Fresh off a 2,catch, 18 yard day
Nov 04th 2015
161
                          yeah...did you watch the game?
Nov 04th 2015
163
                               Moncrief for AP & Alshon is a joke.
Nov 04th 2015
187
                                    you just left off the #3 RB in the league. so disengenuous
Nov 04th 2015
188
                                         Moncrief/Woodhead for AP & Alshon is a joke
Nov 04th 2015
194
                                              ^^this exchange pretty much sums it all up
Nov 04th 2015
196
                                                   cool
Nov 04th 2015
199
                                                        cool
Nov 04th 2015
204
Well damn.
Nov 04th 2015
180
be quiet. adults are talking.
Nov 04th 2015
185
Yes. I'm the child.
Nov 04th 2015
210
      yeah....
Nov 04th 2015
212
      League has already been blown up
Nov 04th 2015
220
           Nah. I'm honestly shocked at your tears of rage
Nov 04th 2015
222
      anyone can read this thread and see who the child is
Nov 04th 2015
216
i really think you shouldn't be able to trade + keep
Nov 04th 2015
215
      then why did you petition for years to join?
Nov 04th 2015
      ad hominem accusations of high horses are the best
Nov 04th 2015
226
           please show inconsistency. i'm always looking to improve as a person.
Nov 04th 2015
229
                it is the definition of being on a high horse
Nov 04th 2015
241
                     you realize I'm referring to you
Nov 04th 2015
245
                          i've never not been inconsistent.
Nov 04th 2015
252
      then why did you petition for years to join?
Nov 04th 2015
217
My point has been made
Nov 04th 2015
184
be quiet. adults are talking.
Nov 04th 2015
186
Do you guys remember the last big temper tantrum?
Nov 04th 2015
221
I've been in celebration mode since Sunday night....
Nov 04th 2015
238
my not humble opinion
Nov 04th 2015
242
A rational and reasonable and completely not emo man^^
Nov 04th 2015
246
i inboxed u too, fwiw
Nov 04th 2015
243
why is that worth something?
Nov 04th 2015
248
i hate facebook.
Nov 04th 2015
253
I just saw it.....
Nov 04th 2015
268
Hmmm wonder why Sarah would inbox u?
Nov 04th 2015
254
      yes, everything is a conspiracy to fuck you over
Nov 04th 2015
256
           he went all in. he can't stop now.
Nov 04th 2015
259
FWIW: the last four years of deadline deals on nfl.com
Nov 04th 2015
257
then let me help you
Nov 04th 2015
261
desean and leshoure for CHARLES!!!
Nov 04th 2015
265
most of those trades are only terrible in hindsight
Nov 04th 2015
266
      desean jackson and mikel leshourere
Nov 04th 2015
269
           waiting on the rationale on this one.
Nov 04th 2015
272
                we'll have to disagree on Danny Top 3 Woodhead
Nov 04th 2015
273
                no it doesn't. that's a REALLY BAD TRADE
Nov 04th 2015
276
                     granted. a terrible trade.
Nov 04th 2015
279
                          i don't care about the emo trades
Nov 04th 2015
283
                               they're worse than almost every trade I listed
Nov 04th 2015
284
                                    yeah we will because I see NO difference
Nov 04th 2015
286
                if d-jax was keeper eligible, he was worth it
Nov 04th 2015
277
                     where will moncrief and woodhead end up?
Nov 04th 2015
285
                     *shrugs*
Nov 04th 2015
288
                          guys look at this
Nov 04th 2015
290
                               leshoure - the original baby beast mode
Nov 04th 2015
291
                                    nice selective quoting
Nov 04th 2015
292
                                         tf is selective about that?
Nov 04th 2015
293
                                              once again, with feeling
Nov 04th 2015
310
                     that was an even trade.... I didn't even want Charles...
Nov 05th 2015
326
HEY. Less time whining and more time writing your update.
Nov 04th 2015
308
Y'all were joking with those trades, right?
Nov 04th 2015
258
you can't reward temper tantrums
Nov 04th 2015
260
that's just good parenting.
Nov 04th 2015
263
cool. i'd like my money back
Nov 04th 2015
262
really?
Nov 04th 2015
278
i respect your decision
Nov 04th 2015
280
Yes
Nov 04th 2015
295
      lmao. The old give me my money back
Nov 04th 2015
300
lololol...
Nov 04th 2015
316
i legitimately thought i gave jersey 3 keeper potential players
Nov 04th 2015
264
Keepers? yes
Nov 04th 2015
267
jesus, you're still not done?
Nov 04th 2015
270
pretentious and i discussed and negotiated
Nov 04th 2015
274
      I don't have a problem with that one, athough it was reacationary
Nov 04th 2015
275
i think we should separate the trades
Nov 04th 2015
271
      I have more to say about those....
Nov 04th 2015
281
           leshoure. djax. for charles.
Nov 04th 2015
282
*checks in on rapidly growing Blowhard thread*
Nov 04th 2015
287
we should let frongu decide
Nov 04th 2015
289
And justice was served
Nov 04th 2015
294
you really are that bitch arent you?
Nov 04th 2015
296
      I guess I am
Nov 04th 2015
299
Damnit y'all are blowing my high....
Nov 04th 2015
297
Works for me. It was a good run
Nov 04th 2015
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you did the right thing.
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lmao!
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But I did though. Try to keep up
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Like I said Will, they have blown my high....
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For that, I am legit sorry in my role
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GOOD. Eff your hustlin' ass Royals.
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you're just saying that because CJ Anderson sucks
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Orleans Darkwa will be less than $11 next year, so...
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      like i said, that one was extra.
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keepers are far more valuable in an auction league
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      you are terrible at math.
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The worst part about these trades getting vetoed...
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ask and ye shall receive
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OK, heres my take on the whole situation.....
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Yup.
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co sign
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Send me the money or don't. Either way I'm out.
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give me his team and I'll make the playoffs.....lolol....
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      Coolidge is the voice of reason
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           and you and Ceej could have avoided all this
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Translation: I shouldn't have vetoed those trades, but Ernie and Smuts w...
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      I was fine once I got in on the tomfoolery
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      Actually I vetoed everything before I read all of the discussion....
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how goes it....
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Miss ya, dog....
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      yeah man..
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appreciate the commish apologizing 'cause he's dead wrong
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foh
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you don't get to manage my team, ernie
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      oh, you get 3 keepers now?
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      i don't care about your brady for darkwa trade
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           actually, i didn't make it in 100% good faith
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      We all know the deal
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           nobody cares what you think, ernie
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           These arent opinions. They're facts
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           JERSEY PROPOSED BRADY FOR DARKWA.
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you're in other money leagues that make trades like this?
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      you wouldn't believe me if i told you
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           dude.... I asked for examples of trades like these
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                So you would think
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there's an easy solution
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even easier solution: put all the trades through
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      lol
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      you're right, i do know the NFL
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           Rejecting trades does not ruin leagues.
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           It does, which is why it wasnt allowed
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      christ, you didn't read KC's post, did you?
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good morning guys
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thats on smuts
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      I might just do further trade analysis
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      "Yahoo League Champion says 'I've never heard of Danny Woodhead'"
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           I'm trying to think if I've ever, in 15 years of fantasy football
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                Tom Brady has no upside
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      oops, misread the scores
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           There arent that many
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                and?
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                     Learn how to read
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BEER TALK
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WYS??!
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      Triple, venti, skinny, vanilla latte with a long pour of rum chata
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I'll be adjusting rosters to reflect all the trades made.....
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What would Micchone do?
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Join me and the missus for a three way....
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      Creepy
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I'm fine with that
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Don't put through these terrible trades.
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Thankless is an understatement
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dont do it bruh.....
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rejected trades are causing a meltdown
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      So are collusion trades ok if we state it up front?
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           collusion trades are fine if they're slighly less terrible
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please don't put through my trades.
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      No Regarts
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           i make messes messier.
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                The anti Brawny
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I bid 80 on Langford
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The reason I'm letting the trades through....
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it's simple
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Pretentious and Magilla: i'm gonna offer to reverse
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magilla vanilla
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1. "Swhat I get for making assumptions"
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I hadn't thought there was even a chance Dion would be out, considering he played through the injury the week prior.


I even had the app open to see how the Wembley game was going, but didn't even think to look at Dion.

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4. "on the bright side, you bout to be really clean"
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because ROOKIE SWEEP IMMINENT

  

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5. "DARKWA IS FALLING"
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2. "There's a london game again, so make sure to set your lineups today"
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I think that's how time zones work.

  

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3. "^^helping out his fellow rookies"
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6. "https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3094/2766803763_a3b0683670.jpg"
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7. "people only care that I show up, tbh"
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8. "TBCFH = To Be Completely F---n Honest???"
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We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
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11. "Yes"
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9. "I can see why cere is loving these rookies"
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boosting him back to relevance off easy wins. he's 0-2 against the veterans in the top four of the standings.

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10. "True don't lie and"
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Neither does your undying love of me

  

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12. "A win this week will be uh oh"
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Odell, Demaryius and Russ havent played very well at all yet. I doubt that continues. With Big Game Barnidge in tow, I just need one of my mediocre backs to be consistently mediocre as opposed to non existent and I'll be fine.

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>Willie #s 6-1 (4)
>Yours Truly 5-2 (1) <------
>Pretentious Guy 5-2 (2)
>Smutssss 5-2 (3)
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13. "hey guys my team isn't as bad as the numbers say"
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because reasons.

  

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14. "Or nothing like that at all"
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But k.

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16. "Beckham is the #9 WR right now."
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>Odell, Demaryius and Russ havent played very well at all yet.

he finished as the #5 WR last year. considering he was producing at a historic pace over his last 10 games in 2014, him moving down a few spots over 16 games sounds about right -- more likely than him averaging 120 YPG over an entire season.

Thomas could score a few more touchdowns, but he's not going to come close to his 2014 value with the way Manning has fallen off a cliff. don't see how he improves much when he's already the 4th-most targeted receiver in the league.

Wilson is struggling because that o-line might be the worst in the NFL. it's never been great, but this year seems like a tipping point. seems like a season-long personnel issue to me.

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19. "Thanks for the breakdown"
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20. "Request for a Barnbridge synposis"
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askin for a friend.

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21. "Big Game Barnidge, please. "
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22. "personally I want to read more about Matt Jones"
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23. "Who? "
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25. "Matt "Earl Campbell Jr." Jones"
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24. "So keepable "
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26. "very highly maybe keeper eligible"
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29. "good work, will"
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shelly almost stood a chance.
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30. "Thanks again for breakdown. "
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Would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Expert analysis on Melvin Gordon ROS please.

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15. "Funny how when things arent going their way folks are quiet....."
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We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
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17. "Never understood this point"
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18. "Dion says hi, Sarah."
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27. "say my name right"
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"I put the "h" at the end. "


  

          

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28. "I put the "h" at the end. "
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31. "Uh oh"
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32. "Funny how when things arent going their way folks are quiet....."
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33. "Never understood this point"
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34. "¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
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35. "Up 2, Cam vs. Bustcrief. I like my odds."
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36. "Is the gamecenter not available to everyone? "
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37. "Y U NO DRAFT JRUE BREEZ!?!?!?"
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38. "i believe in jesus crief. "
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39. "Whoever does the next update please predict me losing by a lot"
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Thanks.

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40. "APOLOGIZE TO BABY LATE 90s TIKI BARBER BELOW. "
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41. "Come up with a more concise nickname and I'll think about it."
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42. "the way i'm holding this team together is nothing short of heroic"
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i'm the blowhards version of the pittsburgh steelers. literally nothing has gone my way this year. i draft a dream team, QB goes down in week 2. finally pull team together after a two-week bye-pocalypse, now 40 is down for two weeks. defense has underachieved all year, i've played the wrong QB every week for a month, none of my lottery tickets have cashed in (wait for it), the starting RB i pull off the wire this week plays half a quarter before going down for the season with a fluke injury, and i've been beaten week after week by out-of-nowhere season-best performances from guys like vincent jackson, allen hurns, ryan tannehill, and now a stupid 500-yard 7-TD game from a traitorous breesus. literally not one thing has gone right.

and yet here i am, 4-4, one game out of a playoff spot, two lineup decisions away from being 6-2 and in the executive lounge. imagine with me if you will a world in which *some* things break my way. maybe just one thing. what i'm talking about here is positive regression to the mean. maybe my QBs stop respectively putting up better numbers in worse matchups... every single week. maybe darren mcfadden's delicate lady feet finally fall apart the way they have every single year since the beginning of time, forcing the cowboys-- who are obsessed with weeden versus cassel (WHO CARES GUYS THEY'RE BOTH TERRIBLE)-- into the one lineup decision that can save their season. maybe jay gruden stops pledging his undying loyalty to a 6th-round RB who's averaging 3 yards a carry and hasn't scored all year. maybe aaron rodgers stops playing like warm garbage and finds a way to get the ball to the one... never mind pro bowl receiver but NFL-caliber receiver on his team. maybe the team i play this week doesn't get a fluke 4-TD game out of t.j. yeldon.

in the meantime, the fact that i'm anywhere near playoff contention right now is absolutely inspirational. i get the sense that when all is said and done, people will be talking about this season just as much as the last two. but the story won't be how pro dominated from start to finish as usual. it'll be how pro overcame adversity, rallied his wounded and beleaguered troops, fought through the worst run of bad luck the league has ever seen, snuck into the playoffs, and did some things we didn't think even he could do. six games left. watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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43. "seriously? at best people are skimming this."
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44. "10/10. Your best work of fiction yet."
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45. "Arent we all"
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>and yet here i am, 4-4, one game out of a playoff spot, two
>lineup decisions away from being 6-2 and in the executive
>lounge.

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47. "we are."
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>>and yet here i am, 4-4, one game out of a playoff spot, two
>>lineup decisions away from being 6-2 and in the executive
>>lounge.

edit: that lineup change he could've made for our match-up could've been negated by a lineup change of my own, but i finid it mroe entertaining to let him keep his delusions.

  

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48. "fuck you"
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49. "Hey pal"
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How's that backfield treatin ya?

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50. "backfield's great, thanks."
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nice win.

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46. "All those genius moves and you couldnt handcuff ur 30 yr old RB1?"
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51. "lazy scored. good sign moving forward."
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52. "And that Woodhead thing was fun while it lasted"
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54. "it will still be fun. "
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53. "Dion for Witten = +32 "
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Also, word to whoever dropped Benjamin Watson just before he got hot.

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55. "you make trades based on what you know at the time"
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stop it.

  

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56. "yep. And I knew after Jonas got cut that Dion would be leading touches"
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in a damn Tom Brady offense, and that Miller and Witten were about par. That trade was nothing but come-up for me.

And Luck was one of those superstar-for-depth trades that I love making.

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60. "I had dion in multiple leagues"
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Took a risk. No reason to think he'd be this good though. Figured vereen level.

  

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125. ""other leagues""
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you're taking Longo's place already.

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57. "Now that's a fucking fire sale"
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Good luck gents!

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58. "Looks shady as all fuck"
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59. "No invisible hats here. "
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Always be closing.

  

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61. "Im dumping for keepers."
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Don't like it, you should have made an offer.

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65. "wack. also, u could have asked too"
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like, you coulda looked and said "what keepers (2 total) do I want?" and asked people for them.

i doubt i was playing for a championship or anything, but this is weird to me. whatever, i'll know to make offers in week 6.

honestly, if this is how it'd go, what can I get for gurley? fuck it, right?

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67. "You can't expect people to come to you"
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70. "i just think trading for keepers is kinda wack"
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trading for 5 different possible keepers, extra wack.

trading for keepers that aren't already stars (DIGGS, for example, or Jordy)? insanely wack.
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76. "I posted that I was having a fire sale"
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Pro and cere were the only people wh engaged me. You should've know this was coming.

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80. "i'm not gonna disrespect the league/u with my offer *shrug*"
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but if you offer to me, i'd listen. i guess i coulda sent an email "u serious" but still. you didn't even get a good keeper.
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85. "Yeah so you slept and got burned. Lesson learn."
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But remember that my team was shitty, right? So why should you care that I infected other teams with my shitty players?

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87. "that;s stupid ass logic"
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a team being shitty doesn't mean it doesn't have some stars. fuck off trolling like that.

i've had a shit day and i was away from computers for the past week. sorry i didn't offer you a pillaging of a trade.

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91. "You seem very hurt about your rookie learning curve"
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For that I am insincerely sorry

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62. "Of course it is. Can't go thru and shells should be contracted. "
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63. "what the shit is happening."
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is this normal? pathetic if so.

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64. "Childish Detroit collusion"
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Be faster and smarter guys

  

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69. "Its not normal, its Shelly being petty"
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72. "Petty about what?"
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75. "being awful"
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77. "seriously. do a little research on keepers, reach out"
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it's not hard. he coulda had Diggs or Jordy from me in a heartbeat.

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81. "did you make the offer? No."
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Of course you'll say you'd have given me everything, but when you had the chance you didn't. It rings hollow.

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84. "we're talking cross purposes. I wouldn't have thought it respectful"
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to offer Jordy for anything. but i should have.

i would have thought it absurd that Diggs coulda got me Alshon Jeffrey + AP, but cool.

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88. "so you didn't understand blowhards. Now you do. Next year do better."
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This very thing happened last year. In that trade, I was the buyer and Shawn the seller. This year, I'm the seller.

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92. "And in all cases, you're the loser"
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>This very thing happened last year. In that trade, I was the
>buyer and Shawn the seller. This year, I'm the seller.

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96. "I'm not the one acting like a loser right now"
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97. "Needed a qb and rb2. Winning. Thanks"
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98. "Then why you so sore about what other teams are doing"
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99. "I hadn't yet joined the fun. But I get it now"
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74. "Its me doing what's best for my team"
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I'm 1-7. It's over. I have just ensured I have my pick of keepers and limited the keeper options of two other teams. It's really not complicated.

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101. "Abd now my team doesn't have a shot"
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So I should follow? Or should I wait two weeks to be officially out of the playoffs? Just clarifying.
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106. "its still early. man up. "
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147. "you should stop acting like the "keepers" you got are"
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anything other than low-end-at-best.

then we might be able to have a real discussion about this.

But hey, wise men definitely bet on Redskins players and a guy who gets arrested for weed every 12 months.

  

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100. "don't presume to tell me about the league I started, little man"
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You're a member in good standing with one equal voice among twelve. You, however, are in no position to dictate to anyone what goes and what doesn't in the league, let alone to two original members like cere and I.

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104. "Cere and myself"
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>You're a member in good standing with one equal voice among
>twelve. You, however, are in no position to dictate to anyone
>what goes and what doesn't in the league, let alone to two
>original members like cere and I.

Obviously not. I can just move on. I'm sure there are plenty of others who would love to join a league as shady as this. And you'll have a hell of team to beat them with, with uhhhm..... Eric Decker?

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108. "Just saying, you wanna put your dick on the table"
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You should make sure you're packing more than the two and a half inches you're packing here.

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111. "ok, you kinda lost me there. good luck next year"
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66. "GURLEY FOR TWO KEEPERS"
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or BRADY FOR TWO KEEPERS. whichever non-keeper eligible star u want.

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68. "magilla, fuck it. what u need, bro?"
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71. "I offered first"
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73. "That's the spirit!! Let mockery live!!"
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79. "I didn't do this to hurt your feelings, but it's an amazing extra"
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But by all means, take your ball and go home because cere and pro out worked and outthought you. We all know the deal.

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82. "outworked. it's a fantasy league"
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i'm done. that's when it's not about fun. this shit is never about anything but fun to me.

this, survivor, varsity, whatever. i'm not going to ever make my fantasy team feel like "work" or a "hustle." it's fine if you do, i'm just saying i find it strange. takes way too much focus away from enjoying it for me.

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86. "Sorry you weren't ready for blowhards. We go hard."
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93. "We used to. Twas a good run"
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95. "that's going hard? i can trade some stars for bullshit too"
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that's the opposite of playing hard. it's taking the easy way out.

and you had keepers this year. pathetic. we should relegate players or require that keepers can't be acquired via trade.

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105. "for someone that wanted in for years"
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you don't seem to get it.

other rookies were more ready.

  

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113. "Because I didn't pillage w my keepers in a trade?"
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K. My team was sitting in pretty decent position for the rest of the season w gurley, coop, brady, and diggs. Just now deciding whether or not to hand over my stars for keepers. I'll play this way, I just don't enjoy it.

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116. "its obviously a prank"
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I knew immediately but this league has been stale of late, so i played along.

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90. "I'm cool. Got huge upgrades to my starting lineup. I'll go out on top"
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78. "Once KC finishing Walking Dead this will all be rectified "
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83. "No. It's already rectified "
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89. "Oh"
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94. "magilla, u want it, it's yours."
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will, i can't remember who your keepers are, but i'm interested.

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103. "check yo desk. "
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>will, i can't remember who your keepers are, but i'm
>interested.
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>after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario
>It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious

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110. "looking forward to your work"
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112. "where does this temper tantrum set the bar?"
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124. "calmer than you are"
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132. "lolololololololololol"
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102. "I knew this sounded familiar:"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2391935&mesg_id=2391935&listing_type=search

  

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107. "lol"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2391935&mesg_id=2391935&listing_type=search#2392347

LOL


http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2391935&mesg_id=2391935&listing_type=search#2392470

LMAO

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2391935&mesg_id=2391935&listing_type=search#2392612

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109. "grown men change their minds. "
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114. "i'll miss our banter most of all"
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115. "are you like this in IRL?"
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117. "Upstanding? Moral? Virtuous?"
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Yes. Yes I am.

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118. "says the guy who tanked. YOU TANKED. "
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i hope you're just doing this for fun because you're kinda out of control, warren.

  

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119. "Tf u talkin about?"
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120. "for waiver priority. you cleared your line up"
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you forget so quickly????

you're a villain.

stop acting like a victim.

  

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121. "Lol. Attempting to improve my own team. "
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Vs outright collusion. Sure Carl. You guys can stop the charade now. One guy Shelly is giving isn't worth all the garbage he's getting back. I enjoyed the laugh tho.

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122. "those allegations are pretty fucked up dude. honestly. "
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you've moved into first place in the emo rankings this year, for sure.

  

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123. "What allegations? "
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Jeffrey alone is worth all the mediocrity he got in return. Everybody knows that Carl. Thanks for the chuckles though.

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131. "Collusion=Carl and Pro reaching out to me"
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And us discussing things via private message. How dastardly

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137. "thats why he's so mad. lack of imagination."
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126. "you guys know what the most dangerous sea in the world is?"
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jealousy.

stop whining, ladies. work harder. there's a keeper fire sale literally every year like clockwork. no one who's played in this league as long as ernie has or who's followed the league as long as jerseygirl has could possibly be surprised by this. shells is loading up for next year, me and sarah are pushing all our chips to the middle of the table and going after that last playoff spot. you could have and should have set your watch by this.

no one is colluding. no one is ruining the league. these are dice rolls all around. smart ones, but dice rolls nonetheless. if you were hoping everyone would just sit tight and nibble on the waiver wire for the next month and a half, you've got the wrong league.

we all did what you should've done. that's the thing that burns, not whatever nonsense you've talked yourselves into about teams conspiring together to burn down blowhards. we did what you should've done. period. stop whining about it. dry your eyes, gather your management team, and get on the phone.

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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139. "it's the same thing every year. "
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don't be mad at us be mad at yourself for not being faster and smarter.

  

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127. "Try and talk me out of this trade"
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Gurley and dez, for hurns, Karlos williams, and snead.

I like rookies and my team has no shot, so shells, ur on board?

I didn't read ur league posts as a non player after the draft posts. Had no idea this is normal. It's wack, but I'll play along. I think u shouldn't be allowed to keep players u trade for. Especially as the auction draft means no penalty for a bottom standing.
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128. "Here comes my run, fuckers. "
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Brady. D'Angelo. Dion. Tron. Gostface. Dem Hawks.

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129. "you should all be trembling when facing my team."
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rodgers
gurley
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dez
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wrap it up and go home boys. this is gonna get ugly.

  

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130. "This shit is a joke."
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Some of these trades aren't going to be allowed, right?

Orleans Darkwa (?) for Tom Brady?

Dez Bryant and Todd Gurley for Willie Snead, Allan Hurns and Karlos Williams?

We can't be allowing this shit.

Shelly's trade for terrible keepers he's probably not going to keep is one thing, these trades are beyond.

Trades have to be REMOTELY fair otherwise the competitive fairness of the league doesn't exist.

This is stupid.

  

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133. "childish overreactions."
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134. "DARKWA IS FALLING"
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Actually, he's a decent keeper option, assuming that by the end of the year he ends up establishing himself as the lead back in the Giants hydra. He's a downhill runner, which Coughlin loves.

Want Cutler back?

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135. "rookies ruined the league. smh. "
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it's like my 4 year old. don't know when to quit.

  

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138. "that assumption is so big that words can't do it justice"
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>Actually, he's a decent keeper option, assuming that by the
>end of the year he ends up establishing himself as the lead
>back in the Giants hydra.

You don't trade Tom Brady for an unknown RB on a shitty running team in a 4 person RBBC.

You trade Tom Brady for an actual prospect who's not only going to start next year, but actually be good.

  

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140. "like Donte Studcrief"
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142. "I saw the Darkwa trade this morning "
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and honestly thought it was one of those joke, insulting proposals.

It didn't even occur to me that the reason I was seeing it on my page is because someone actually accepted that trade.

  

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146. "does he even qualify as this year's branden oliver?"
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166. "Also, I tried to give Rorkie a much better package and he CAME BACK w/ t..."
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I tried to at least give him Tron and Cutler so he had some semblance of offense left.

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177. "RE: that assumption is so big that words can't do it justice"
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>You don't trade Tom Brady for an unknown RB on a shitty
>running team in a 4 person RBBC.
>
>You trade Tom Brady for an actual prospect who's not only
>going to start next year, but actually be good.

Darkwa was JUST added to that committee two weeks ago. He led carries the first week, and the second was a ridiculous shootout.

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198. "great sample size. cmon rookie. "
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nobody in that RBBC is going to be above 'maybe I'll add him this week' status for a long time.

  

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136. "for the record, I think I gave jersey some great potential keepers"
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I think Shelly only got one legitimate keeper per deal yesterday (moncrief and gordon). I gave jersey 3 in one deal. I like Karlos and Hurns A LOT. This team could've seen some dark days without Hurns.

  

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141. "Next year Karlos will be 2nd string behind a big money free agent"
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on a mediocre-at-best team.

Hurns is an unhearlded player on a mediocre passing offense with an unknown QB on one of the worst franchises in the league.

These trades are a joke.

Fire sales for keepers are fine if you actually get fair value.

If people are dumping top players for whatever shit they can find on the floor then the integrity of the competitiveness is officially DOA.

This league used to be the hardest best run league I was in.

If these garbage trades stand then this league is a joke.

Seriously, trades have to be fair. They can't just be "whatever crap I could get"

  

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144. "rookies just don't know better. ernie should. "
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149. "and that's YOUR assessment"
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for one thing, Karlos was balling with McCoy there. Sometimes 2 viable RBs can coexist. Not often, but sometimes. Not to mention that "big name free agent" thing means little with RBs. you can get replaced easily. people were saying "let's bench demarco!" the second the eagles started struggling.

>on a mediocre-at-best team.
>
>Hurns is an unhearlded player on a mediocre passing offense
>with an unknown QB on one of the worst franchises in the
>league.

have you been paying attention? Hurns is having a great sophomore year and Bortles is looking pretty damn good. Sorry we didn't herald these players enough for you, but that's a good potential keeper no matter how much you hate the jaguars.

If you don't like the deal that's fine. But it's not even top 3 most ridiculous deals to happen in the last 24 hours.

  

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151. "stan's trade is less offensive and less reactionary"
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then the temper tantrums thrown by our more emo friends here

  

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152. "not one of the worst pending deals isn't saying much"
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when Tom Brady just got traded for a 3rd string RB.

Even if we allow a comically over valuation of a guy in an RBBC and Blake Bortles #1 WR, trading them for Bryant and Gurley, two guys who could easily be top 5 at their position from here on out is a joke.

The trade isn't remotely fair value.

  

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154. "RE: not one of the worst pending deals isn't saying much"
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>The trade isn't remotely fair value.
>
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that has never ever been the case for keepers in 13 years. you KNOW this. i'm not sure why other veteran's don't and tried to blow up the league over hurt feelings. it's weird!

  

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158. "that's part of the reason this is obviously stupid"
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in years past people traded for keepers with actual value.

We can talk in circles all we want, but Dawrka for Brady and Hurns/Williams/Snead for Gurley and Bryant are comical.

  

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160. "did they? how many sure thing keepers get traded?"
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there's levels of risks here. Having a guy that'll be top 20 at his position ON YOUR TEAM already is a really good head start. that's how this works.

it's pretty rare to trade for a keeper that's a first rounder next year.

  

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162. "you're acting like judging keeper potential is an exact science"
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you're right. hurns, karlos and snead could all suck. but the fact that you see NO potential in them is on you. you're looking for no potential in them because of the big names on the other side of the deal. sure, i wouldn't have thought this deal was possible 24 hours ago. but as soon as we saw the extent of the fire sales, we started talking and came up with a deal that was to both of our liking. and at least jersey and i slept on it.

  

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165. "he's always like that. "
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it's rare to trade a potential keeper at beckham level last year.

this happens every year.

guys cry.

this year they just cried too much.

  

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171. "they could be good."
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But trading them for Gurley and Dez Bryant is a joke.

That's the part of my argument you guys are ignoring.

Even if we allow your valuation of keeper prospects, these trades are still comically uneven.

Trades need to be fair. On no planet is Snead/Hurns/Williams keepers for Bryant/Gurley fair.

None.

  

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174. "are you new?"
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I agree on the emo trades made by emo children after the original two. that's reactionary, temper-tantrum BS.

but are you new? every year multiple owners trade starters for keepers. AND THEY ARE NOT FIRST ROUNDER-QUALITY.

Please check the archives.

  

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206. "so we agree on those garbage trades. cool."
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>I agree on the emo trades made by emo children after the
>original two. that's reactionary, temper-tantrum BS.

  

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209. "you're not making much sense today. "
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225. "so we don't agree on the thing you said we agree on?"
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man you're confusing.

  

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227. "I think we sorted it out below. "
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143. "Its a shamockery"
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Just pathetic. Top ten studs for fringe players. We're not even trying to be creative anymore. This league is done.

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145. "he's not sharing in your temper tantrum, child"
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148. "it's really fucking stupid"
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and it's even worse that people are pretending like these trades are remotely even.

like, at least admit you're trading for whatever shit was on the scrap heap, but don't act like you're trading for anyone who's going to finish in the top 10 of anything next year.

  

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150. "i'd be pretty happy heading into next year"
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with Gordon/Studcrief, wouldn't you?

  

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155. "or matt jones, or duke johnson, or woodhead, or any of my 45 other optio..."
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i refuse to dignify temper tantrums by explaining my logic. I will, however say, that I am quite pleased by the difficult decisions I will have to make next august.

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159. "remember when everyone thought CJ Anderson was a great keeper?"
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it's like they forget what is happening.

  

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167. "you said Danny Woodhead"
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lol.

  

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169. "where's he rank? would you like him on your team?"
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this is why you people aren't consistently good at fantasy.

you don't understand value. woodhead was #3 RB in the league heading into Sunday.

don't want him on your team, though, PLEASE.

  

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173. "I've won this league twice."
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pipe down child.

  

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178. "yeah....i didn't call you a child."
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you're just kind of curmudgeonly and unduly arrogant.

relax.

  

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192. "I win this league a lot."
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And I'm winning this league right now.

So spare me the "you people" comments.

  

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195. "how is that so offensive to you?"
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i thought your initial comment was rather reasonable.

but then your argument got really bad. If you can't trade a #3 overall RB then nobody can be traded by your standards. Very, very weird.

  

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170. "RE: you said Danny Woodhead"
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http://fantasy.nfl.com/league/409069/players#playersHomeList=playersHomeList%2C%2Fleague%2F409069%2Fplayers%253FplayerStatus%253Dall%2526position%253D2%2526statCategory%253Dstats%2526statSeason%253D2015%2526statType%253DseasonStats%2526statWeek%253D9%2Creplace

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172. "you might have ripped me off, TBH. "
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look at those numbers!!!

  

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175. "He's definitely a regular top 10 player"
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his numbers are definitely sustainable.

please keep him next year.

  

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176. "8 weeks is a pretty good stretch, isn't it? "
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do we get points for receptions still?

your reply was much shorter than your others. does that mean you were wrong?

  

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179. ":/"
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http://www.nfl.com/player/dannywoodhead/4327/careerstats

  

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183. "let's review"
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you're mad that the trades aren't fair.

but the #3 overall RB got traded

and still

by your proprietary Smuts ranking system.

That's still not a good player.


very confusing.

  

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207. "u do know how bye weeks work, right?"
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#3 is inflated by that and injuries. he's had as many weeks outside of the top 25 RBs as he has in the top 10.
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211. "so he's top 10? thanks for helping me win the argument. "
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190. "the most galling thing about my season"
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has been that, due to injuries, i am now losing to people that post up danny woodhead's career stats to try to argue he's a shit fantasy player.

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197. "he's perfectly servicable and having a great year *this year*"
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your trade of AP & Alshon for his and Moncrief's keepr value is comical.

  

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200. "yeah you're not good at understanding what's happening. "
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again, review the archives. you probably have made these exact comments every year. although, you're already contradicting yourself from your original comment because you've completely unraveled.

  

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202. "for example:"
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Smutsboy: Today: 'Shelly's trade for terrible keepers he's probably not going to keep is one thing, these trades are beyond.'

Now he's lying about who's even involved in the trade and how good they are at playing NFL football.

  

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203. "RE: yeah you're not good at understanding what's happening. "
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>you probably have made these exact comments every year.

nope. not once.

but keep clinging to this point since you can't actually defend these trades.

  

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208. "i have defended them."
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im shocked and appalled at the childish reaction that you and your friends are having.

You are LYING all over the post. You are contradicting yourself. You probably have tears in your eyes as you read that Danny Woodhead is the #3 overall RB in this league. But how? How could you have been so wrong? It hurts, right?

  

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223. "your assumptions ane accusations are baseless"
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frowny face

((((

  

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228. "well you did kinda mis-represent things."
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otherwise, we're mostly on the same page I think. Sorry. I still like you a lot IRL.

  

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235. "BFFs or whatevs"
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213. "and 2013"
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so whenever healthy with the chargers, he's balled.

but really he's terrible.

and what good do alshon and apete do a team that is 1-7? i let the entire league know that I was going to have a fire sale. everyone had a chance to make offers. i took the best offers that I could find. if you didn't have a huge moral objection when i screamed fire sale a couple weeks ago, don't be mad now because it didn't turn out in your favor.

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214. "trades should only involved good players except for when they do"
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218. "danny woodhead is white and little so he can't possibly be good"
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234. "plus his name is woodhead"
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how can a guy named woodhead be any good. doesn't make any sense. VETO!

  

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181. "he was top 20 in 2013 and in 2014 before he got hurt"
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keep pretending we're not a ppr league, though.

the idea that woodhead is a laughable keeper candidate really sums up the opposition to this trade nicely.

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189. "they don't pay attention. smh. "
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who should I trade keepers for? bench players? it's worked this way for over ten years.

  

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191. "i seriously can't believe i'm below some of these people in the standing..."
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219. "your Woodhead trade is a typical bad keeper trade"
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The kind that gets made every year and that's fine.

If yours was the worst I wouldn't care, just as in every year prior I haven't cared as people made terrible trades.

I win super bowls while people trade for bad keepers. NBD.

But that yours isn't close to the worst trade is a bad scenario.

Some of the other ones (Darkwa/Brady; Snead/Hurns/Karlos for Dez & Gurley) are straight bush league and shouldn't be allowed in a league that's this competitive.

  

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224. "So we essentially agree! After all that! "
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I'm sorry if I was rude to you. You are reasonable after all

  

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231. "it took me a while to dig through all these awful trades"
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and find the truly terrible ones.

Shellys Brown/Miller trade is awful too but compared to the others it almost looks reasonable.

  

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233. "you know how one or two bad apples can ruin your peck? "
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230. "I gave jersey 2 young WRs who are on pace for 1,000 yards THIS year"
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and a pass-catching RB, which is the most valuable commodity in a PPR league.

but you just stare at the names and say "I don't know these names! They're nobodies." lol

I won't defend Darkwa for Brady though.

  

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232. "but danny woodhead can't possibly be #3 overall in PPR!"
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239. "and moncrief can't possibly be valuable with hilton leaving town"
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and matt jones can't possibly be valuable with alfred morris leaving town.

and so on.

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244. "shit, if Luck's healthy Moncrief is valuable af"
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he has big game and big play potential with a good load of targets - when the colts are right and it isn't a monsoon (which totally isn't disengenuous to bring up)

  

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237. "Again, Snead and Hurns are decent prospects"
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but they aren't remotely fair keeper value for Dez & Gurley.

Edit: the reason I would personally veto these trades isn't because it's collusion of something-for-nothing, but just because the value is so out of whack it undermines competitiveness.

  

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240. "I think they are. You're not going to get Beckhams or Forsetts"
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because those teams likely won't trade them.

  

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247. "no one is going to trade a keeper they think will help them this year"
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dude who's like "i'd have traded stephon diggs!" is flat-out lying. Trades like that have never, ever happened in bh. You accept that you'll get some candidates that look like B or C keepers even if you trade studs.

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249. "which is still better than keeping COLSTON"
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That's the entire idea.

  

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251. "fuck yes i would have."
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at minimum, jordy nelson woulda been interesting to you, no?

do you see the hole I had at RB? did you even try to trade?

I have cooper, dez, and until this past weekend, steve smith. I coulda easily been convinced to trade diggs+whatever for ADRIAN FUCKING PETERSON and a less-good but still decent keeper option.

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255. "then i guess you should have tried harder"
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i let everyone know the deal. as you said, fantasy is not my job. i don't have time to craft personal, heartfelt messages to every owner in the league. i threw out a line. cere and pro took it. i got packages i like.

and, obviously, very easy to say what you would have done now that you no longer have the opportunity to do so.

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250. "and honestly, Snead might be one of the best keepers for next year"
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The more I think about it.

When we post up keepers in August, whoever has Snead will have an advantage

  

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156. "as usual I'm lost in your sarcasm"
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>with Gordon/Studcrief, wouldn't you?


but no, both those guys have next to no value.

Gordon is worth a roster stash at most, but certainly not trading away actual players for him.

Moncrief is currently the 26th ranked WR.

So he's a medciocre WR3 in a league with only 2 starting WR positions plus a flex?

Um, cool.

  

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157. "you should maybe try watching football. "
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moncrief is REALLY good at catching footballs in what should be a returned-to-form top offense last year.

Gordon, you are so wrong that I encourage you to review the past few year's game logs.

Cmon man. You're smarter than this.

  

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164. "talent isn't the reason Gordon has no fantasy value"
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cmon, you're better than that.

AP and Alshon Jeffrey for Moncrief, an RB4 and whatever Javorius Allen is, is a joke.

Please. Go ask people in other fantasy leagues and let me know if they don't laugh you out of the room.

  

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168. "lets review the trades from the past 5 years and the reactions"
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i already posted one example.

'other leagues' FOH. are you gonna cry like Ernie too? I kinda thought you were being reasonable at first.

  

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182. "people overreacting other years isn't an argument"
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in support of these especially terrible trades.

Darkwa for Brady, defend it, ready? GO:

  

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193. "i would not defend that one. that's children shit. "
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I'm ONLY talking about trades I'm involved in and I'm debating your disingenuous arguments.

And yes past years DOES MATTER because PRECEDENT is set. Go review them. See what people said. They said the same things. Those trades stood and the league continued. This ISNT new

(the reaction and the trades involving rookies and michigan people are the problem)

  

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201. "I don't recall trades this bad"
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hence me never commenting on them in years past.

"people were also mad" isn't an argument in favor of this garbage.

  

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205. "is the early darkness causing all this emoness?"
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this isn't about your feelings and memories.

  

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236. "here's my honest question:"
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why should shells and I give a fuck about the equity of the trade if we identify keepers we want and a chip that will get it? what rational reason is there to care about that?

so once I decided that I thought Darkwa had a chance to be a decent starting running back for a team next year in which he'd also get goalline touches because andre williams is andre williams ($30+ value in auction at minimum), why not trade whatever from this year's non-keeper group for him? why, exactly, shouldn't I? because there's a 30 year old running back with better stats this year that is a more worthy option?

and that's where the logical problem emerges. brady has zero value to me if I assume I'm not making the playoffs (which I wasn't given that shelly was the only fire sale in the league and I missed it and I'm 3-5 and have a gapping hole at RB I couldn't fix because my excess WR who might have gotten me a RB upgrade just got hurt for the season). So his value is nothing to me. Darkwa has value. I won the trade. Magilla won the trade more, but so what in my eyes?

it is simply impossible to logically justify one trade for keepers and not another, unless there's a significant penalty in bottoming out a season.

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306. "THANK YOU."
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And again ^^^^^ HE ^^^^ made the offer of Brady for Darkwa.

We have the same record, but I have considerably more depth at RB with Dion being awesome, I was smart enough to keep Bell's handcuff (who himself balled out while Bell was suspended), and DMC has emerged as the lead rusher for the Cowboys. So at 3-5, I thought I could put a nice run together with an average of 10-15 more points from the QB slot.

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161. "Fresh off a 2,catch, 18 yard day"
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Peterson alone would be too much for that trifecta, but fuck it, let's throw in a top 5 receiver to boot, just to show how few fucks we give.

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163. "yeah...did you watch the game? "
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is ty hilton good? how did he do?

your temper tantrum is having you say really dumb shit. players have bad games. we're talking about projecting forward. if you don't like moncrief, you're lying out of emoness.

these hurt feelings are a real new low for you. acting like a child.

  

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187. "Moncrief for AP & Alshon is a joke."
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Even after your valuation of him, it's still a joke.

That's how uneven that trade is.

  

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188. "you just left off the #3 RB in the league. so disengenuous"
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194. "Moncrief/Woodhead for AP & Alshon is a joke"
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Even after your valuation of them, it's still a joke.



That's how uneven that trade is.

  

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196. "^^this exchange pretty much sums it all up "
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you don't care about truth. you care about preventing Shelly, Pro, and I from making better teams out of spite.

liar.

  

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199. "cool"
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I notice you didn't actually defend the trade

because you can't.

because it's bad.

  

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204. "cool"
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I have. Many times. SHould I indicate the post numbers for you?

STOP LYING. YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS. MAYBE.

You've become completely unraveled...smh.

  

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180. "Well damn. "
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Thought we'd have a Tuesday laugh and KIM, but you guys are actually trying to justify this. One guy as disingenuous as the next. Impressive. Despite knowing these moves make no sense in no format in no league anywhere. Imagine Ceej and I trying this shit. Good lord, have some self respect guys. Is what it is though, I need one less league to worry about anyway.

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185. "be quiet. adults are talking. "
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210. "Yes. I'm the child."
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The adults are the ones who are willing to lie, collude and destroy a once great league for a couple hundred bucks and some bragging rights. How grown of you.

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212. "yeah...."
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i made the offer 1-2 weeks ago. and much like how you lied about our side bet, I can prove that. It was rejected at the time. I'm just ahead of the curve on this and it hurt your feelings so bad...so immensely were you crushed by emo anger that you QUIT THE LEAGUE. AND COLLUDED WITH YOUR FRIEND.

You're talking so much about how you won't need this league...do you know what that means? That you do. That you're crushed inside. Torn apart. You want us to say OH PLZ DONT LEAVE ERNIE.

But we won't.

It's a chidlish, pathetic tactic for a grown ass man in his mid-30s to try and BLOW UP THE LEAGUE because his feelings got hurt.

Shameful. Across the board.

  

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220. "League has already been blown up"
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And yes, I am dissapointed because I DID enjoy this league, obviously. I never imagined we'd get this low. Alshon alone for 3 ehh keeper options would merely have me jealous. Throwing in AP and trying to justify it is a slap in the face to everyone else in the league. And really really sad.

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222. "Nah. I'm honestly shocked at your tears of rage"
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I figured you'd all be like "HARUMPH" and we'd move on like we did every year.

But nah. Someone started bawling in the middle of Marshall's and we had to take him home early.

  

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216. "anyone can read this thread and see who the child is"
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cere, pro, and i are speaking in complete sentences and making rational arguments.

you're imagining conspiracies to fuck over the league, resorting to ad hominem attacks, and generally throwing a temper tantrum because something you don't like happened.

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215. "i really think you shouldn't be able to trade + keep"
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after week 6. problem solved. no fire sales in which it's impossible to evaluate the fairness of the trade, because keeper status isn't valuable, except that you take a keeper eligible guy and make them not eligible.

I had zero hope of winning this season, just like shelly. especially after losing steve smith and dez having matt fucking cassel at QB. so why care if i'm getting burned in quality of player THIS year? why care at all? and whatever argument you make to me, holla at shelly too.

in previous years, i wouldn't have done this because I value picking my draft slot a lot. but the auction makes that no longer an issue at all.

Cancel all my trades or just the brady one or whatever, fine--better, in fact. yeah, i was pissed (yesterday sucked ass and then i got those trades and this place is a tinderbox c. cheryl/carol). but fuck with my trades and not shellys? and why let this happen if, apparently, almost every year it becomes a bitchfest? Do people really find this enjoyable as a league system? really?

i honestly had no idea firesales like this happened. had I, I might not have joined.

I will be proposing the above rule about week 6 keeper eligibility for next season. sorry, not sorry I made the rookies competitive when I don't think any of us knew quite how ridiculously overvalued people find keepers.

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"then why did you petition for years to join?"


  

          

very unresponsible and very high horse.

  

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226. "ad hominem accusations of high horses are the best"
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the internal inconsistency is amusing.

i wanted to be in the league because the draft threads looked fun and i like fantasy football. guess i should have done more research if this is how it really happens every year. it's a weird world when Ernie, Warren, and I agree on something on the opposite side of u, shelly, and pro.


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229. "please show inconsistency. i'm always looking to improve as a person. "
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241. "it is the definition of being on a high horse"
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to accuse someone else of being on a high horse.

rescind whatever trades you want. i'll do whatever the league decides. i don't think these trades--shellys included--are healthy for a league. as proven by this not being the first time at all this has happened. i guess my darkwa one is the only one that's over the edge...because...?

and stop calling woodhead #3 RB when that's only because the chargers have a late bye.
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245. "you realize I'm referring to you "
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saying I'm on a high horse two weeks ago right?

which is why my team name was The High Horses?

keep up

  

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252. "i've never not been inconsistent."
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my only consistency.

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217. "then why did you petition for years to join?"
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very unresponsible and very high horse.

  

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184. "My point has been made"
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I'd have rather competed this season, but oh well. I didn't have a chance, so I took the keepers I valued from guys I like in this league. And will might get cooper if he wants to stay competitive. Smuts, I wanted to offer, but your keepers suck, unless I missed one. Make an offer if so. Kc, same. I still have some useful pieces.

edit: actually, smuts, your keepers aren't bad, i just don't expect you to want to trade the good ones (CJ2K is a keeper, right?)

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186. "be quiet. adults are talking. "
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221. "Do you guys remember the last big temper tantrum? "
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Ernie and Warren are so much alike, after all.

  

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238. "I've been in celebration mode since Sunday night...."
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So I have totally been ignoring this league and wouldn't have noticed this until Sarah inboxed me on FB, I'll read through all of this and figure out how to respond this evening....



We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
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242. "my not humble opinion"
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a couple of trades need to be vetoed for legitimately anti-competitive reasons.

the rest of the trades are just your usual BH deadline dumb deals.

  

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246. "A rational and reasonable and completely not emo man^^"
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We should all strive to control our emotions in this way.

  

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243. "i inboxed u too, fwiw"
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248. "why is that worth something? "
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all the important shit happens on facebook.

  

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253. "i hate facebook."
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268. "I just saw it....."
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I hardly ever catch those tight away because I have the link to the Sports board saved as a favorite, so I'm never in the message board lobby to see that notification....




We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
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254. "Hmmm wonder why Sarah would inbox u?"
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Preemptive justification of such a "fair trade". Well that's odd.

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256. "yes, everything is a conspiracy to fuck you over"
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no one could possibly want the commissioner to resolve this so we could move on.

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259. "he went all in. he can't stop now. "
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257. "FWIW: the last four years of deadline deals on nfl.com"
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I don't see anything here as bad as Shelly's two trades today, let alone the two trades worse than Shelly's

Apologies in advance that I don't remember who some of the managers were

2014 - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

To: Vanessa
Latavius Murray, J Matthews, J Brown
To Shelly
Gronk, Sanu

To: Vanessa
Lafell, McKinnon
To Pro
Arian Foster

To: mad science (?)
Ben Tate, Colston, Sankey
To: AM Go
Rodgers, F Jackson, Cruz


2013 - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

To Go Hards:
M Ryan/V Cruz
To Cere:
Cam, Colston, Andre Brown

To: Shelly?
Crabtree, J Thomas
To: Pro
Gronk

To: Vanessa
Boldin, Witten, Peterson
to 116
D Clark, K Wright, Ellignton, Zac Stacy

To Will
Amendola, Romo
To Pro
Antion Brown

2012 - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

To: Longo
Rivers & a TE
To: Cere
Brees and Owen Daniels

to Cere
Steven Jackson, Mike Wallace, Daryl Richardson
To The Strangers (?)
Tamme, J Stewart, J Graham, Vereen

to: Harbor City
Jamaal Charles
to: Pro
Desean Jax, Mikel Leshoure


2011 - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

to Cere
J Stewart, B Marhsall. Deangelo W, Gates
to Phun Phactory (?)
D Keller, Ryan Mathews

To Will:
Pierre Thomas
to Phun Phactory
Jermichal Finley

To Harbor City
Mark Sanchez
To Am Go
BJGE

  

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261. "then let me help you"
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>2014 - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
>To: Vanessa
>Latavius Murray, J Matthews, J Brown
>To Shelly
>Gronk, Sanu
>
>To: Vanessa
>Lafell, McKinnon
>To Pro
>Arian Foster

>To: Shelly?
>Crabtree, J Thomas
>To: Pro
>Gronk
>
>To: Vanessa
>Boldin, Witten, Peterson
>to 116
>D Clark, K Wright, Ellignton, Zac Stacy
>
>To Will
>Amendola, Romo
>To Pro
>Antion Brown
>
>2012 - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
>To: Longo
>Rivers & a TE
>To: Cere
>Brees and Owen Daniels

>to: Harbor City
>Jamaal Charles
>to: Pro
>Desean Jax, Mikel Leshoure
>

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265. "desean and leshoure for CHARLES!!!"
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wtf is happening

  

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266. "most of those trades are only terrible in hindsight"
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it involved a lot of guys who, unlike players like Karlos Williams, were supposed to be undisputed RB1's on decent running teams.

  

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269. "desean jackson and mikel leshourere"
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stop

  

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272. "waiting on the rationale on this one. "
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mikel leshoure is better than #3 woodhead?

  

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273. "we'll have to disagree on Danny Top 3 Woodhead"
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If Lesure and D.Jax is the worst trade you can point to, my point stands.

  

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276. "no it doesn't. that's a REALLY BAD TRADE"
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and I was right. it happens every year. and ernie cries.

this time he cried too much.

can't have a league where babies win because they whine.

  

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279. "granted. a terrible trade."
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so looking back over five seasons of awful trades, ALL of this year's rank near the top.

The trades this year were especially bad and in especially high volume.

From this list that seems pretty obvious.

  

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283. "i don't care about the emo trades"
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they were done as children.

My trade with Shelly and Pro's trade with Shelly are completely in line with history.

And we are being denied because some grown men can't control their emotions.

  

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284. "they're worse than almost every trade I listed"
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but we'll have to disagree.

  

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286. "yeah we will because I see NO difference"
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but maybe because you still disregard the #3 overall RB in our league

  

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277. "if d-jax was keeper eligible, he was worth it"
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1300+ yards the next season. leshoure had 800 and 9 tds in 2012 and no one saw joique bell's brief non-suckitude coming.

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285. "where will moncrief and woodhead end up?"
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stop it.


mikel leshoure was never the answer in detroit. woodhead and moncrief are FIXTURES.

  

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288. "*shrugs*"
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d-jax had multiple 1000 yard seasons already and was young and leshoure looked like a keeper RB1 potentially.

also, jamaal charles isn't equal to peterson AND jeffrey, stop.

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290. "guys look at this"
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mikel leshoure is now a POTENTIAL RB1


but the #3 rb in our league can't be traded and a stud wr on a powerful offense isn't worth anything.

  

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291. "leshoure - the original baby beast mode"
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292. "nice selective quoting"
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i remember that leshoure run because believing in him almost relegated my team in that other set of leagues.


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293. "tf is selective about that? "
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woodhead has outscored AP and Moncrief has double digits in every game except for hasselbald game and the monsoon. he's steady AF.

I'm looking again at the numbers and second guessing my trade because maybe I gave up too much.

but danny woodhead is white so.

  

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310. "once again, with feeling"
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woodhead has only outscored AP because woodhead's team hasn't had their bye week yet.


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326. "that was an even trade.... I didn't even want Charles..."
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had to send me the trade again after I rejected....

Leshoure and D Jax looked like legit keepers at the time....


  

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308. "HEY. Less time whining and more time writing your update."
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258. "Y'all were joking with those trades, right?"
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All that shit is getting vetoed. Try it again this time with legitimate offers....




We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
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260. "you can't reward temper tantrums"
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never be able to take the kid out in public again

  

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263. "that's just good parenting."
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262. "cool. i'd like my money back"
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278. "really?"
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We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
- Andy Mineo

  

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280. "i respect your decision"
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but whiners can't win. its a bad precedent.

LESHOURE AND DJAC FOR JAMAAL CHARLES WHAT

  

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295. "Yes "
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I get to manage my team the way I see fit. If I don't, that's a breach of the implied contract. I do not have the time, energy, or desire to try to combat the ludicrous tantrums opponents of this deal are throwing.

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300. "lmao. The old give me my money back "
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Our all time low just got lower.

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316. "lololol... "
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dang B...

still trying to cover your lack of fantasy acumen with wack trades... and crying for your money back now...lol... wow...

I missed tons of fun I see....

oh for the days of pulling your own name out of a hat huh.....

  

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264. "i legitimately thought i gave jersey 3 keeper potential players"
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but people don't want to look at the facts/stats, they just want to cry about the names involved.

  

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267. "Keepers? yes"
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keepers worth the return? No.

  

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270. "jesus, you're still not done?"
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you got your wish, now scram.

  

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274. "pretentious and i discussed and negotiated"
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hell, i even did it in facebook.

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275. "I don't have a problem with that one, athough it was reacationary"
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it was clearly done as an attempt to blow up the lead following emo ring leader's actions - ErnestLee.

  

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271. "i think we should separate the trades"
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that people discussed and negotiated from the reactionary temper tantrum trades.

  

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281. "I have more to say about those...."
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But I hate typing paragraphs on my phone and the job has OKP blocked, so I'll state my reasoning when I get home tonight. Smuts made a good point when he said the history of keeper trades doesn't show any as bad as the deals Bryan made with you and Pro....



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282. "leshoure. djax. for charles. "
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danny woodhead is #3 in the league right now.


and ya'll are very very wrong about Studcrief.

  

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287. "*checks in on rapidly growing Blowhard thread*"
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*smiles*

*walks back away, not disappointed*

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289. "we should let frongu decide"
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294. "And justice was served"
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Shame on you guys for trying to justify this blatant fuckery.

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296. "you really are that bitch arent you?"
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thanks for killing the league with a temper tantrum.

at least I have a new emo queen to make fun of for the rest of the year.

  

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ErnestLee
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299. "I guess I am"
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I gotta hand it to you guys for actually keeping up this charade and acting like any of this is legitimate in the least. There's not a keeper package out there outside of maaaaybe something involving Jordy Nelson that would net not one. Not ONE. But TWO top ten options that completely alter the landscape of the league. Yet here we are.

Well done.

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KCPlayer21
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297. "Damnit y'all are blowing my high...."
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Put through whatever bullshit trades you want, I'm approving everything, we'll finish out this crap season and then I'll shut down the league site. Everyone's whining and crying because they can't have their way, Jesus...



We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
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We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
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298. "Works for me. It was a good run"
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>Put through whatever bullshit trades you want, I'm approving
>everything, we'll finish out this crap season and then I'll
>shut down the league site.

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smutsboy
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301. "you did the right thing. "
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this year's trades were stupid and anti-competitive.

  

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will_5198
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302. "lmao!"
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I can't figure out which of yall is trolling harder.

cere arguing about how awesome Danny Woodhead is (I wonder why he wants to trade the a keeper-eligible #3 RB for the non-keeper #7 RB then...lolz).

bshelly in the flaming building throwing gasoline on himself and seriously arguing about a "$50 breach of contract."

Ernie going into full Warren Coolidge conspiracy/quitter mode because he didn't get in on the action and his team won't repeat.

rookies threatening to quit in year one! they realize there's a keeper loophole, and try to exploit it so bad they close it for everyone.

btw, I don't think keepers are as valuable in an auction draft. starting a snake draft with two guys valued as 2nd or 3rd rounders is hugely advantageous. but starting an auction with a couple of $11-20 players is no biggie.

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303. "But I did though. Try to keep up"
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>
>Ernie going into full Warren Coolidge conspiracy/quitter mode
>because he didn't get in on the action and his team won't
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KCPlayer21
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304. "Like I said Will, they have blown my high...."
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We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
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305. "For that, I am legit sorry in my role"
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I know that high and it is awesome.

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307. "GOOD. Eff your hustlin' ass Royals. "
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309. "you're just saying that because CJ Anderson sucks"
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also, a second rounder is a 45-60+ value in our last auction draft, 3rd is 35-45. 11-20 is like keeping a couple 5th/6th round values.

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329. "Orleans Darkwa will be less than $11 next year, so..."
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thejerseytornado
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332. "like i said, that one was extra."
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and if orleans is the starting RB for the giants for the rest of the season, doesn't suck, and they don't draft an immediate replacement? yeah, that's more than $11.

  

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theprofessional
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320. "keepers are far more valuable in an auction league"
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gurley is gonna be a $60 RB next year. he's not keeper eligible, but let's pretend he was. in a snake draft, he's like getting an extra first-round draft pick. his value is capped by the fact that everybody only gets one pick per round. in an auction, $60 is the equivalent of a 1st plus about a 3rd. $70 is the equivalent of using a 1st and a 2nd on one player. he could reach values in an auction that would be impossible in a snake. and getting that for free going into the draft is a massive advantage.

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330. "you are terrible at math."
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>in an auction, $60 is the equivalent of a 1st plus
>about a 3rd. $70 is the equivalent of using a 1st and a 2nd on
>one player. he could reach values in an auction that would be
>impossible in a snake. and getting that for free going into
>the draft is a massive advantage.

this year's auction:

$57 average for the top 12 players (first rounders)
$43 average for the top 13-24 players (second rounders)
$27 average for the top 25-36 players (third rounders)

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311. "The worst part about these trades getting vetoed..."
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... is the Tolstoy-length post TheProfessional is currently drafting about it.

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319. "ask and ye shall receive"
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"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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KCPlayer21
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312. "OK, heres my take on the whole situation....."
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Bryan, I understand you're frustrated. I also understand that people trading off players for keepers has been something that has always been done. The difference between those and the ones you made were that yours were REALLY lopsided. Jeffery AND AP for Woodhead, Moncrief and Justin Forsett's backup?? C'mon man. Now if you had just given up Jeffery or AP for that same haul, no problem.

Same with the trade with Pro. Antonio Brown AND Lamar Miller for Eric Decker, the shell of Matt Jones and Can't Get Right who might not ever play again? C'mon man. Again, Brown or Miller for that haul, no problem.

Even in the past, the trades that were made did still give the person was getting the keepers some competitive balance. The one thing I've always been proud of about this league is that no one quits. Even if you're not gonna make the playoffs, we get joy out of knocking someone else out of the playoffs, like I felt when I knocked Cyren out with that monster game I got from Chiefs and Titans players on MNF many years ago. With these trades, you threw in the towel, and you gave up on your team without even trying to hope that you can pull off some wins and upset someone else's season. This is not the OKP GD fantasy league, where there is currently someone who is still starting Jamaal Charles and another person who hasnt started a kicker in three weeks. C'mon man, Blowhards don't quit.

All that said, another thing I've prided myself on with this league is that we don't veto trades, no matter how bad we feel one person is getting hosed. So that being said, I apologize for vetoing the trades you made. Feel free to put them together and I'll put them through. I still think it would be a bitch move if you did it, but I'll still be your Facebook friend if you do so. Maybe this will give you a chance to reevaluate your decision and decide if you're gonna lay down the rest of the season or if you're gonna fight back.

Also, if you still want that refund, I'll send it ASAP.

P.S. I'm not closing the league, but I do hate that yall rained on my parade with this foolishness. Anyone who still wants to play after this year, I'll be here unless the interest is gone. By the way, did y'all know that the Kansas City Royals are the 2015 World Series Champions and that they beat the dog snot out of the snooty ass New York Mets to do it?




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That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
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ErnestLee
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313. "Yup. "
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C'mon man. Now if you had just given up Jeffery or
>AP for that same haul, no problem.
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C'mon man. Again, Brown or
>Miller for that haul, no problem.

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315. "co sign"
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that's really what throws this out of whack.

keepers for one star player: fine

keepers for two star players or that ridiculous Dez/Gurley trade: anti-competitive.

As the history shows, there's never been trades this lopsided, or this many in one year.

Allowing these trades will be changing the nature of this league from a highly competitive 12 person league to one where people who are out of it do crazy shit, give too many star players away, and render the first 8 weeks of the season almost meaningless.

If these trades go through this will probably be my last year.

If that is the league people want that's fine. I'm not really interested. I've won my super bowls and I built another great team this year.

  

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322. "Send me the money or don't. Either way I'm out."
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324. "give me his team and I'll make the playoffs.....lolol...."
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naw his team probably sorry as fukk...


but all jokes aside..

honestly...don't be a Pussy B......

you're in a money league with grown men..it's certain shit you don't do. That level of fukkin dumping isn't acceptable in the real world... Don't know why you don't realize that...but it's just not...

but don't be a dick and quit the league before the season is over..

accept those trades were fukked up...the other owners in the league that paid the same money you paid don't like that shit...

you can't manage your team in that manner in a money league... period.


get your fantasy acumen up mayne..... dont' fukk it up for er'body else cuz your team is sorry...

man up champ...

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354. "Coolidge is the voice of reason"
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The cherry on top of an embarrassing shitshow.

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382. "and you and Ceej could have avoided all this"
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by speaking up before..

I been told y'all this was super wack....

the people who had sense in this league always outnumbered those who did not, but y'all was too scary to speak up and left Warren Coolidge as the lone ranger...

now you see...

  

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337. "Translation: I shouldn't have vetoed those trades, but Ernie and Smuts w..."
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And I caved.

Awesome.

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355. "I was fine once I got in on the tomfoolery"
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KC made an independent judgement, doubt he even read my "whining".

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KCPlayer21
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378. "Actually I vetoed everything before I read all of the discussion...."
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I vetoed Bryan's because I could tell he was quitting with them, and I vetoed the others because they were comically unfair....




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That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
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314. "how goes it...."
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cats still trying to pull shenanigans in a grown man money league I see...

smh....

best wishes...

  

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317. "Miss ya, dog...."
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I know you'd want no parts of this shit right now, though, LOL




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Warren Coolidge
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323. "yeah man.."
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I certainly don't miss this part of it.....

nor do I envy the position you're in with this..

I saw how may replies were on this update and I figured some craziness had gone down...

remember man..If there is a spot next year and you want to shed the nonsense going on here, I'd be down...

there's a couple simple fixes to make this type of stuff a non-issue...

it should have never gotten this far where losing teams can impact a league making trades like that.... that's just some backwards azz stuff that you simply don't see going on in other leagues...especially money leagues..

it's not your fault though...that type of mentality should have never been tolerated..... but it's a fixable problem.

take it easy man...

  

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318. "appreciate the commish apologizing 'cause he's dead wrong"
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here's the thing, commish. i paid my money. shells paid his money. sarah paid his money. you don't get to manage our teams. you have zero say in it. nobody cares what you think about our trades (and we care even less what ernie and jerseygirl think). your job is to set up the league, hold the money, and put the trades through. you get zero-point-zero say.

and i hesitate to even say this, but it needs to be said. as someone who's directly behind me and sarah in the standings, the appearance of shadiness here is off the charts. i'm not saying you're shady. i'm not accusing you of anything. i'm saying that IT CROSSED MY MIND that at least some of your motivation for vetofest 2015 was that the two teams you have to leapfrog to make the playoffs improved their teams. vetoing all the trades at once, lumping them all together as though they're all as bad as the brady/darkwa nonsense, makes for a pretty convenient cover story. again, i'm not saying you're shady. i trust you with the money, i trust you as commish. HOWEVER, the fact that this crossed my mind is in and of itself a MASSIVE problem. THAT is the threat to the competitive fairness of the league, not grown men who have all paid our money negotiating trades that are perfectly within the league rules and in all cases the strategic motivation is obvious (no matter how apparently misguided).

so here's the thing. this isn't even a case of "hey, guys, if you still want to do your shady un-american fascist trades, just re-offer them and we'll be straight, mm-kay?" this is a case of you need to wave whatever magic commissioner wand NFL.com gives you and put all those trades back through. these are proposed and accepted trades by grown men who are all genuinely working to improve their own teams. no one is colluding here. no one is cheating. no one is even bending the rules. we're playing a game and we're trying to beat the living snot out of each other. if you don't like the midseason keeper fire sale, fine, let's talk about it for next year. someone mentioned a ban on keeping players that have been traded for. i'm adamantly against that, but it's something to talk about. what we don't do is change the rules mid-game, mid-season. vetoing trades that are not the result of collusion is changing the rules.

as for the rest of y'all, listen, fellas, you just flat-out don't get a say in other people's trades and transactions. we can come here and argue about who got the better of who, who improved their team, etc. that's what the boards are for. but calling for trades to be vetoed because you personally don't think they're fair, we're not doing it. number one, because your opinions are mostly garbage. number two, because the entire point of fantasy football is pitting your opinions/player valuations against the opinions/player valuations of your leaguemates. THAT'S THE ENTIRE GAME. so OF COURSE you're gonna have a different opinion on trades than the people involved in them. that doesn't give you any say in their transactions. i thought priscilla's dion lewis and andrew luck trades at the beginning of the year were absurdly lopsided. up to now, i've been wrong about both of them. even though he can't manage his way out of a wet paper bag, priscilla ended up-- to this point-- getting the best of both those trades. MY OPINION ON HIS TRADES WERE WRONG, but most importantly, at no point ever did i call for them to be vetoed. i came to the boards and clowned him relentlessly, because that's what we do. WE DON'T MANAGE EACH OTHER'S TEAMS. we're not doing it.

and in case anyone wants to question my motives here-- "oh, you're just saying all that 'cause you want your trade to go through"-- understand this. yes, the trade does marginally improve my team, that was the point (though not *nearly* as much as you guys think-- how quickly we forget how big a bust both lamar miller and tone were three weeks ago). but the cumulative effect of ALL THE TRADES going through puts me in a WORSE position. sarah's team got unquestionably better, and not only do i need to leapfrog him to make the playoffs but i'm playing him this week. PU adding todd gurley to his team makes him the clear and immediate favorite (and, oh, look, he's playing KC this week, I'M JUST SAYING IT CROSSED MY MIND). priscilla getting tom brady adds one more viable team to an already crowded list of playoff contenders. also, i unexpectedly landed langford on waivers, which makes lamar miller substantially less necessary to my team than he was 24 hours ago. it's BETTER for me if the trades DON'T go through. i'd rather hold onto my keepers and play a weaker sarah this week. HOWEVER, vetofest was flat-out wrong. it was a war crime. KC was way out of line to do it, and i'm not playing in a league where this is even a possible outcome. i've been playing fantasy sports for almost two decades now, and leaguemates meddling in each other's transactions just happens to be my one line in the sand. i've quit leagues over this before and i'll happily do it again. this is not a threat. this is me telling you what's gonna happen. shells is 100% right to ask for a refund. you don't get to manage his team. you don't get to manage my team. this aggression will not stand.

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321. "foh"
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Way too many words for this shit. They are two of the worst trades I've ever seen in way too many years doing this. I've showed outsiders and they didnt understand the joke. I still dont. You'd write a thrice as long thesis if I gave away Odell and Demaryius for some bullshit involving Eric fucking Decker. We did all pay. Thats the point. Because one guy cant win more than once in two months he cant completely alter the landscape of the CURRENT season so he can have the 5th best keeper options in a league that is no guarantee to exist the next year.

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327. "you don't get to manage my team, ernie"
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you don't get to manage shelly's team. nobody cares what you think about our teams. you don't get a say in it. what part of this is difficult for you to understand?

you don't like my deal, i don't care. i'm under no obligation to explain to you or your "outsider" friends why matt jones-- a freakishly athletic 3rd-round rookie RB with a solid share of work in a crowded backfield and a near guarantee of all the work next year-- is a massively valuable keeper prospect in this league. my second year here, i drafted a rookie leveon bell-- a freakishly athletic 2nd-round rookie RB with a solid share of work in a crowded backfield (remember isaac redman? felix jones? jonathan dwyer? i do.) and a near guarantee of all the work next year-- with my first keeper pick while the two guys in front of me drafted matt ryan and matt stafford and you drafted ben tate. is matt jones the next leveon bell? probably not, but guys who look like matt jones and guys who look like rookie leveon bell sometimes turn into 2nd-year scorched-earth leveon bell. and that is massively valuable. will spent $77 to pick up a keeper-eligible charcandarick west, who will almost certainly be backing up or splitting carries with charles next year. jones has a far, far easier path and a better athletic profile. massively valuable. bottom line: i'm good at this. you're not. again, your last four seasons in this league: 6th place, 6th place, 9th place, broken clock.

so i don't care what you think of matt jones or eric decker (who's keeper-eligible, absurdly underrated, has scored in every game this year but one, and walked me to the executive lounge two years ago) or josh gordon (a very recent #1 overall fantasy WR with a non-zero chance of getting traded or signed by a WR-needy team like, i don't know, new england). so there, i just held your hand and explained to you my player valuations, which again i'm under zero obligation to do and which puts me at a competitive disadvantage moving forward.

as for shelly's players, i'm getting SIX WEEKS of lamar miller-- who up until week 6 hadn't posted a single double-digit performance. six weeks. and FIVE WEEKS of antonio brown (he has a bye in week 11, he plays in seattle week 12 and in denver week 15 if i make the playoffs), who has shown a pretty clear and consistent inability to produce without ben-- ben being the guy who's currently nursing a gimpy MCL. and brown isn't even that big an upgrade over the guys i'm currently starting (ayay, cobb, fitz). nothing about these two guys is a guarantee for me. i'm at medium odds to even make the playoffs. THIS IS A DICE ROLL. i'm giving up 22 weeks of matt jones and eric decker and 16 weeks of josh gordon for six weeks of lamar miller and five weeks of antonio brown, with the hope that one or both of these guys gets hot and helps me go on the run i need to make the playoffs. the reason you and your outsider friends can't see the value here is because YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. and as someone who doesn't know what they're doing, YOU DON'T GET TO MANAGE MY TEAM FOR ME. you don't get a say. zero.

but whatever you think of my deal or sarah's deal (which IMO is as fair as mine-- i'm mad about it but it's definitely fair), we can all agree that the brady for darkwa deal is absurd. and you know what the first thing honest to God that crossed my mind was when i saw it? "man, i wish i knew brady was available at that price. i should've worked the desk harder." see the difference here? it wasn't "OH MY GOD LIFE IS SO UNFAIR THIS MUST BE VETOED!" priscilla and jerseygirl are managing their teams, and while i have zero respect for them as owners (earn it-- make me), i 100% respect their sovereignty to manage their teams as they see fit. maybe jersey knows something about darkwa that we don't, or something about brady that we don't (he is a pats fan, right?). his valuation is different than ours. THAT'S THE ENTIRE GAME WE'RE PLAYING. the only way this trade gets vetoed is if we get a sense that, hey, it really looks like these two new guys who nobody's ever played with before are consolidating their star players onto one team and are gonna split the winnings. there's zero evidence of that. therefore, WE DON'T GET TO MANAGE THEIR TEAMS FOR THEM.

whether you like it or not, the way this league is configured, part of the strategy is that late in the season, the haves load up their teams and the have-nots load up on keepers. it's been this way since the beginning of time. if you don't like it, let's talk about it for next year, but in 2015 this is the game we're playing. stop whining and play it.

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333. "oh, you get 3 keepers now?"
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>i'm giving up 22 weeks of
>matt jones and eric decker and 16 weeks of josh gordon

lol.

i also enjoyed the "3 weeks ago" part like Mike Vick/Landry Jones weren't Brown's QBs then and Lamar Miller was still being coached by Philbin.

everyone keeps talking about the darkwa trade like that one wasn't extra. but the point wasn't that I think it was equitable, the point was that IF this season means ZERO to me (it doesn't, and like i've said, i was in a heated moment and went too far) then the value of the non-keeper I (or shells, or whomever) gives away is zero to me/him/whomever. There's no "fair"" value there, as Gurley' value to a team that has zero shot at the playoffs is zero (minus pride points, but we'll be cold, purely economic actors here). Shells put me onto that point when talking about Diggs vs. other keepers. Diggs is valuable to me because of next year's keepers in a way Gurley isn't.

thus, in that light, Brady for Darkwa was me gaining value for next season, even as it's absurdly unequal for competitive balance THIS season. same with the dez/gurley debacle which was also competitively unbalanced, but not to that extent and had more desirable keepers going to me.

there is no way to define value in a shared, consistent way if two people have fundamentally different interests (this season vs. next season). The best way to avoid bad fire sales is either require some sort of vetting (like a commish veto, or a league vote), a mechanical formula demanding roughly equal value (like survivor does, but that's not ideal either), or an early cut-off for trades for keepers so no one would sink a season because no one is fully out of the running by week 6, and/or making tanking in one season hurt one's chances in the next season (which blowhard used to have w/ the draft order selection process). but we don't now.

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339. "i don't care about your brady for darkwa trade"
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you obviously made it in good faith. your rationale is crystal clear, no matter how ridiculous, and you're clearly not colluding with priscilla. you made a move to improve your team, either for this year or next, and I DON'T GET A SAY IN IT. it doesn't matter what i think of your trade because you paid your $50 just like i did, and you get to manage your team the way you see fit. why is this so difficult a concept for you guys?

at the beginning of the season two years ago, a trent richardson (1st round draft pick) for a rookie keeper-eligible leveon bell (6th round draft pick) trade would have looked absurdly lopsided. since then, bell has gone on to score about a billion points and richardson is out of the league. someone who would've seen this coming would have had his trade vetoed due to the league's opinion of fairness. THIS CAN'T HAPPEN. there is one limit on trades: NO COLLUSION. KC's opinion, your opinion, EVERYONE'S opinion is completely irrelevant to what any owner decides is best for his team, because those opinions are very likely to be WRONG. WE CANNOT BASE THE LEGALITY OF TRADES ON PEOPLE'S OPINIONS.

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349. "actually, i didn't make it in 100% good faith"
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i made it to make an abstract, obnoxious, anger-ridden yet still valid point about trading, keepers, and the problem of defining value.

there are rules that can resolve that dilemma. I've mentioned one multiple times that people seem to just not even discuss: you cannot keep a player you traded for after week 6.

  

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335. "We all know the deal"
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We all read the same shit, watch the same games. We all know these guys current and speculative value, with very little variance and bias. We all know the deal. Some might be loud about it, some might be passive aggressive, some might be disingenuous for obvious reasons. But we all. know. the deal. That's why we're here. That's why we unfortunately will have to revisit the honor system regarding trades since some feel it's ok to throw logic completely out the window to gain an advantage over others.

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341. "nobody cares what you think, ernie"
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your opinion is garbage. you're a consistent loser in this league. if we're basing the legality of trades on YOUR opinion of fair value (or KC's opinion of fair value), the league is over. refund everybody's money and take it down.

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346. "These arent opinions. They're facts"
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347. "JERSEY PROPOSED BRADY FOR DARKWA."
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I offered him Tron, Cutler and maybe Darkwa, maybe DMC (I forget which) for Brady, Gurley and one of his more garbage bench players. He came back with that proposal.

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325. "you're in other money leagues that make trades like this?"
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just asking...

this the only league I ever seen where there were cats who thought shit like this was ok....

  

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328. "you wouldn't believe me if i told you"
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but i'll tell you anyway. i was in a paid keeper league (keep any player, no cost) last year with my friends. league's been going on for a decade or so. one guy in the league keeps josh gordon as one of his two keepers. shortly after the draft, news broke that gordon would be suspended for the year. guy drops gordon. shortly after that, news broke that gordon's suspension could be reduced to as little as four games. i immediately grabbed gordon off the wire and every other wire of every other league i'm in.

at that point, the guy who dropped gordon petitions the commissioner and the rest of the league that gordon should be returned to his team because this wasn't fair somehow. and as crazy as this is, people actually listened to him. they took it seriously. there was a discussion on the message board whether i should have to give gordon back to the guy who dropped him. this is a money league, mind you, and not a small amount.

a long time ago, i played in a league-- i think baseball-- where a perfectly fair trade of mine got vetoed by a league vote because some people thought it was lopsided and i strongly suspect that others were trying to protect their position in the standings. i said never again am i playing in a league where other owners have a say in what i'm doing.

anyway, the gordon incident-- the commish ultimately ruled that i should get to keep gordon. i was livid that there even needed to be a ruling on it. that incident-- and some other stuff-- basically ended the league as we knew it. this year, we got rid of the league fee, got rid of the keepers, invited back our friends who left because they didn't want to play for money, and now it's just a fun league. and it's way better.

some people just aren't built to play for stakes and that's perfectly fine. the money means nothing to me, except that it implies a certain level of seriousness and competitive respect that don't necessarily exist in free leagues. blowhards is currently the best league i play in as far as degree of difficulty and competitive respect. this vetofest nonsense has zero place here.

i get that others are saying lopsided trades have no place here, but deciding what's lopsided and what isn't-- especially in a league with some tricky keeper rules that make it difficult to properly value players and especially by guys who have shown a very consistent inability to properly value players-- is a super slippery slope. ernie and smuts are in here saying stuff like, "jones/decker/gordon for brown/miller is ridiculous. how about those three for just brown? or maybe gordon and jones for miller?" at that point it's like, well, listen, guys who have finished behind me in the standings two years in a row, why don't i just give you my password, let you log into my team, and let you decide what i should propose. and then shelly can give you his password, you can log into his team, and accept the trade that you've determined is fair. like, what are we doing here, guys? are we playing fantasy football or solitaire? you manage your team, i'll manage mine.

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379. "dude.... I asked for examples of trades like these"
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being acceptable in any league you've been in and you didn't give me any examples......

any money where guys would be cool with losing owners changing the landscape of a league by trading multiple star players for so-called "keepers"...

you don't have any examples because you know this is not an acceptable fantasy practice anywhere....


grown men money leagues usually don't need trade review because the owners usually have enough respect for each other not to do this....

this league has just always had an element where some owners felt it was ok to go outside the box on what is acceptable fantasy ethics..

it should have never been acceptable, and there are now seemingly folks who are speaking up on it now that should have joined in when I was speaking up on it years ago.....

If you are the manager of a losing team, be a man and try and to improve your squad through free agency ....but trying to impact a league when your team is sorry by doing trades like this is so far out of bounds its ridiculous......

and you're in a league pro..you can say nobody has a say on how you manage your team but when you're in a league you have an obligation to the other owners to practice a certain level of ethics, and KC has every right to maintain those ethics.... it's a league with other paying members, not some thing you're doing by yourself.....

  

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383. "So you would think"
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>grown men money leagues usually don't need trade review
>because the owners usually have enough respect for each other
>not to do this....

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331. "there's an easy solution"
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which is basically what KC suggested.

All these trades for two star players: just take one of them out.

Then the trades are significantly more fair and Shelly & Co still get their mediocre keepers.

Pretty simple.

  

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338. "even easier solution: put all the trades through"
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nobody cares what you think is fair value, smuts. i'm not giving up three keepers-- one of them a rookie RB with a 90% chance of starting next year-- for SIX WEEKS of lamar miller or FIVE WEEKS of antonio brown. your valuations of other people's players are garbage because you're looking at names instead of facts.

it's not your trade. you have zero say in it, and nobody cares what you think is fair, because the people involved in the trade disagree with you. you manage your team, you make deals you think are fair, and let everyone else manage ours.

the commish-- who just so happens to be on the playoff bubble, I'M JUST SAYING-- just unilaterally vetoed FIVE trades involving half the league's teams based on his own personal opinion. at no point did he reach out to any of the owners involved-- "hey, what's your thought process here?"-- to determine if anyone is colluding. he has ONE job when it comes to the trade desk, and that's to put the trades through. anything else is a clear abuse of his privileges as commissioner. dude is burning down the league and you all are short-sightedly applauding because you like where you are in the standings and don't want anything to change. the fact that you all can't see what a threat this is to the league is mind-blowing.

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340. "lol"
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you talk way too much but you do actually know the nfl.

so the idea that you think any of these trades are fair or don't hurt the competitive quality of the league is really amusing.

  

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344. "you're right, i do know the NFL"
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i know that it's wildly unpredictable and opinions of value will rightfully vary, often by a ton. but i know fantasy football even better. this kind of stuff ends leagues. i've seen it. you guys think shells is gonna walk away from a decade in HIS OWN LEAGUE over nothing? this is NOT about my trade. this is me trying to warn you guys away from the world's most obvious cliff.

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348. "Rejecting trades does not ruin leagues."
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Well, maybe shitty leagues you've been in. But no league I've ever been in.

What actually does ruin leagues is putting through terrible trades that undermine competitive fairness.

If a league can't handle rejected trades that a significant portion of the league thinks are terrible, that league isn't too long for this world anyway.

  

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351. "It does, which is why it wasnt allowed"
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>this kind of stuff ends leagues.

We're not a group of high school buddies in a league that's been the same for 15 years. We're random internet strangers with a revolving door with no guarantees for next year. Carry on being disingenuous though.

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350. "christ, you didn't read KC's post, did you?"
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he said if people want the trades, go do them again. So go fucking do it again. I won't redo mine as they were, because I've caused enough of a shitstorm, but if you're really that angered by this, go make the trade again so you can have a better chance to win a couple hundred dollars via some lame ass bullshit trades.

KC said if people made the same trades all over, he'd go through with them. I won't make the same trades w/ the other rookies (sorry guys), but I will almost definitely blow up my team because while it might shock the world into the playoffs if we played without those trades, there's no way I'm climbing into the playoffs w them. *shrug*

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334. "good morning guys"
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we need a new poast ernie.

  

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336. "thats on smuts"
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342. "I might just do further trade analysis"
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since these trades are more terrible the more I think about them.

I should collect opinions from fantasy players across the internet just to get hilarious quotes.

  

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345. ""Yahoo League Champion says 'I've never heard of Danny Woodhead'""
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CAN'T WAIT.

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353. "I'm trying to think if I've ever, in 15 years of fantasy football"
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played with someone who would trade Brady for a 3rd RB in an RBBC

  

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358. "Tom Brady has no upside "
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361. "oops, misread the scores"
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370. "There arent that many "
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374. "and?"
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376. "Learn how to read "
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343. "BEER TALK "
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357. "WYS??!"
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362. "Triple, venti, skinny, vanilla latte with a long pour of rum chata"
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dont judge me

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352. "I'll be adjusting rosters to reflect all the trades made....."
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I hope to have them input in time for the Thursday night game. Ceej said him and Ernies trade was not to be taken seriously, so I won't be inputting that one unless they want it.

Again, I don't appreciate Pro questioning my integrity, as I gave the reasons why I rejected everything in post #312 and also apologized for doing it in that same post.

I remember when this league used to be fun. Maybe if we take the money out of it we can have fun again.....



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We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
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Ceej
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363. "Creepy"
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but if it preoccupies you, go for it

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ErnestLee
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359. "I'm fine with that"
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That's how some want to "win", cool. It's 50 bucks. Good luck all.

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smutsboy
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360. "Don't put through these terrible trades."
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I really respect the job you do and I'm commish in other leagues and it's thankless, but allowing anti-competitive trades is a bad idea.

these trades have easy fixes, let people resubmit them.

this league is more than capable of handling rejected trades that need to be reworked.

If people quit because a trade got rejected then I'm not sure what to tell them.

I really think it's a mistake to allow trades this controversial especially when a fix is so easy.

  

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Ceej
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364. "Thankless is an understatement "
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I question why I bother every year

Even If I win I dont enjoy it cuz of course I cheated

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Warren Coolidge
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366. "dont do it bruh....."
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you standing on solid ground to veto them.

  

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smutsboy
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367. "rejected trades are causing a meltdown"
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as if they can't just resubmit better ones that are still severely in one person's favor.

wtf?

  

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Ceej
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368. "So are collusion trades ok if we state it up front?"
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smutsboy
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380. "collusion trades are fine if they're slighly less terrible"
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thejerseytornado
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369. "please don't put through my trades."
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like i said, i'm fine w/ whatever, but i'd rather not fuck over the competitive nature any further. i regret what came of me trying to prove a point and how i did that.

edit: but like i've said elsewhere, i'll go with whatver u decide. i thought your original claim--if people want to make the trades, just do it again--was amazingly reasonable. i don't.
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371. "No Regarts "
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372. "i make messes messier."
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Ceej
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373. "The anti Brawny "
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Ceej
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365. "I bid 80 on Langford"
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This system must have messed up. He should be on my team.

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KCPlayer21
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375. "The reason I'm letting the trades through...."
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Is because like I mentioned before, one of the rules we have is that all trades go through, no veto. But like everything else that happens in this league, an unprecedented situation happens that we have to deal with this year and then makes changes to rectify the following season. We've never had someone give up on their season before and sell of ALL their good players for scraps, so we roll with it this year and make changes for next season. So I'll put them through, and if people want to put an asterisk by the champs name for this season then so be it.

I know either way people are gonna quit no matter what choice I make, if I keep them vetoed, the traders will quit, if I reinstate them, the protestors will quit, so I already know there will be some quitting happening. Anyone who wants their $50 back, I can get a refund to you. I'll adjust the price money accordingly based on what's left.

On to solutions to stop this from happening again. One suggested by Jersey is to not allow players trades after week 6 to be kept. Me personally I don't agree with this. My solution would be to just move up the trade deadline to the Friday before Week 6. Right now it's the Saturday before Week 11. Another option would be to institute trade review. All trades are put in a two day review after acceptance, the league votes and determines if it goes through or not. These are my suggestions, any others?

BTW, I'm mad y'all made me have to type this long ass post on my phone....




We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
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smutsboy
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381. "it's simple"
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let a respected, relatively impartial commish veto trades that look fishy or are questionable, allow managers to resubmit adjusted trades.

I never thought rejected trades would blow up a league since it's a feature of literally every league that's ever existed, but here we are.

Also I did not know that our league didn't have trade vetos. What a mistake.

  

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thejerseytornado
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377. "Pretentious and Magilla: i'm gonna offer to reverse"
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when/if KC unvetoes. your call on what to do.

apologies, league, for my role in fucking shit up.
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