better talent? better career? all of that...

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You mean, "Do you think Curry will stay on top for a long time and challenge Thomas eventually for better career?" I'm assuming.

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Because any other question you could come up with is
laughable

It's just reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally unlikely.

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Does Zeke have an MVP? He does have a college championship & Finals MVP tho...

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And Zeke not having an MVP doesn't mean Curry isn't way behind him in terms of career accomplishment.

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before every game!!!!

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zeke speaking on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXyFLHE4-I8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qc8sj4NE6A


curry's handles is a combo of nash & parker imo. he cut down his TOs last season by 1.

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Curry handled the ball less, because the team
brought in more ball handlers

So he got more assists, and got fewer turnovers

At no point, ever, did Isiah have the ball handlers
around him that Steph did

and the drop in assists is due to elite coaching and the emergence of Draymond Green and HBarnes.

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>and the drop in assists is due to elite coaching and the
>emergence of Draymond Green and HBarnes.

No, idiot, the drop in assists is because of the additional
ball handling from contract year Draymond, Livingstone,
Barbosa and a (finally) healthy Bogut

Steph's team was considerably better than his team last
year, which is why he could focus on different things

they're really good, obviously. but we've gone a little overboard. it's amazing that he has those handles in combination with his shooting, but when people talk about best in the league or all time great handles, that's doing too much

there were times last year I saw teams press him with pretty good results. Zeke had all time great true PG handles.

Steph has excellent ones obviously but Zeke's were next level in that he could use them in any situation or body position. The only dude close to that is Ky

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Maybe Timmy hard away and AI to a certain extent too


Because to the younger generation a great ball handler= breaking ankles with crossovers.


Zeke had textbook ball Handling ability. You pretty much could Not trap him


One is sexier than the other. But we talking true ball handling? Zeke all day

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maybe Rafer Alston or Sebastian Telfair, but J Will masked excellent fundamentals behind the flash

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Agreed.


I'm a Spurs fan and Tony's handle is not particularly noteworthy for an NBA PG.

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and yes, i myself post up players behind half court when pushing up the ball...just like Zeke. i just don't have the ability to handle the ball like today's players.

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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

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try to catch early nba isiah on classic, steph wasn't on his level. i'm not shitting on steph, he's great but he's not isiah.

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but Zeke got a Finals MVP & college ring.

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So, yeah

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But no one else. I

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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But Zeke trades his career for Stephs in a damn heartbeat.

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steph' list of accomplishments is longer and fuller to be sure, and by my own standards has eclipsed Zeke in the all-time hierarchy. better player? i dunno really. maybe.

but looking back on the Bad Boys, they transcended hoop a little bit and had a very clearly defined arc as a group. they had to check off EVERY box before they got to the mountain top and then stayed there for a couple years before the front court aged out.

i don't think Isiah would trade his teammates or experience

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>steph' list of accomplishments is longer and fuller to be
>sure, and by my own standards has eclipsed Zeke in the
>all-time hierarchy. better player? i dunno really. maybe.
>
>but looking back on the Bad Boys, they transcended hoop a
>little bit and had a very clearly defined arc as a group.
>they had to check off EVERY box before they got to the
>mountain top and then stayed there for a couple years before
>the front court aged out.
>
>i don't think Isiah would trade his teammates or experience

While I agree, Zeke wouldn't trade his career. The Warriors pretty much came out of nowhere and they've dominated the league's tougher conference for 4 yrs running. 2 of which were without KD. And they've had to face the leagues best player in the finals for 4 straight yrs.

Imagine if the pistons stayed relevant/contenders when the Bulls came of age and Detroit had to face Jordan every year while Boston was still title good and NY was on the come up...that's what G-State has done.

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>While I agree, Zeke wouldn't trade his career. The Warriors
>pretty much came out of nowhere and they've dominated the
>league's tougher conference for 4 yrs running. 2 of which were
>without KD. And they've had to face the leagues best player
>in the finals for 4 straight yrs.

in my mind, the difference comes down to the periodic reshuffling, and i launch Bron hate based on the same premise. Duncan retired, he wasnt clipped. OKC lost 2 of their big 3 in a 3 year window. Clips stayed injured. Houston couldnt find anyone to pair with Harden until the last two years (counting Capela first). same in the east, where Bron and his competitors coalesced twice. that affects more than just the team adding pieces...those pieces came from somewhere. Bron has played with the best guard in the East for 8 years running, and he accomplished that by taking his talents to wherever that guard was when he felt like leaving.

>Imagine if the pistons stayed relevant/contenders when the
>Bulls came of age and Detroit had to face Jordan every year
>while Boston was still title good and NY was on the come
>up...that's what G-State has done.

that wasnt realistically possible within the culture of the league at that time imo. the only team able to do that was LAL and only because of the insane longevity of Kareem. i feel like back then you built your team, waited for them to mature,and then blitzed the fuck out of your window. without LA adding David Robinson, or Boston adding Charles Barkley, or the Pistons adding Patrick Ewing etc etc...none of those teams were ever going to extend their windows.

it was just different back then, neither better nor worse, but different. is your imaginary scenario any tougher than
- having to come of age with a titan like Boston in your way in your own conference
- all the while staying sharp enough to avoid getting tapped by HoFers like Ewing, Barkley, and Nique
- getting rewarded with Showtime, playing well enough to win, and taking an L under a few smh worthy circumstances
- loading up and doing all of that AGAIN before closing the book on Bird AND Magic
- then loading up and doing it AGAIN under year 3 of the Jordan Assault
- all the while, your "biggest" deal that whole time is trading old Dantley for old Aguirre
?

im not sure it is and the last part is mostly why. moves back then were like trying to wrest B&O Railroad from my Depression-raised grandma in a family Monopoly game. no one wanted to deal with the Pistons, and they literally punched too many people in the face to ever want to share locker rooms with them.

GSW has achieved more of what i have previously referred to as "greatness" and i won't ever deny that. Steph has piled on accolades that Isiah never saw, at a historical rate.

but i dont think Steph has walked a tougher road than Zeke did, and i dont think he will ever have to.

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Zeke a MUCH better player

and I'm a huge Zeke fan however Curry turned the NBA out like a Pimp.

he is a standard and he got as Many Rangs as Lebron in half the trips and the cat done made his mark already, scary part he still got about 3-4 year run left if healthy and Motivated.

Zeke was badd all the way around however Curry you just see History in your eyes

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

I have said for about a year now Steph is probably the 2nd best pg already imo.

<--- Big Baller World Order

He just leaped Zeke and Stockton

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Lot of dudes in here sound old and mad.

<--- Big Baller World Order

Better leader, Zeke
Better true point guard, Zeke
Better shooter, Steph
Better scorer, Steph
Better passer/creator, Zeke
Tougher player, Zeke
Better career thus far, sort of irrelevant, it will be Steph in the end if it isn't already.
Better talent, hmmmm, tough one, they are contrasting styles of player. I'll go Zeke because of his all-around game but Curry's shooting ability (and his handle is nice, too) is almost enough of a weapon to swing it in his favor.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

but scorer...i dunno bro. Isiah used to put the ball in the hoop in some truly outlandish ways

dude made the over-the-backbkard teardrop from behind the hoop into part of his repertoire

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Cht1O-WHE

Peep the 30 footer too

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he scores considerably more and is much more efficient.

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zeke's career high ppg was 22.9. steph's equaled or topped that 6x.

zeke's career high ts% was .554. steph's WORST year was .568.

zeke had 98 career 30 pt games. steph's already at 148.

nostalgia is a motherfucker.

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in steph's MVP seasons, even before Durant, he was getting assisted on 35% of his 2s and 55% of his 3s

unfortunately those numbers dont exist for Zeke, but that seems like something from which Zeke did not benefit. Joe D averaged 4.9, 5.7, and 4.7 apg in 88, 89, 90. nobody else ever had more than 3 other than microwave, who backed both of them up.

there was no iguodala or draymond (or durant today) giving legit tertiary/quaternary distribution to the point that Curry can play off ball a LOT. Isiah HAD to have the ball in his hands.

i dunno man. i dont think isiah's numbers are reflective of what he could do today with ball movement like the warriors have.

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he'd already well eclipsed zeke's career highs in efficiency.

and he matched zeke's career high ppg (22.9) in year 4.

that's with no iggy, no KD, minimal draymond (13 mpg) and a pretty vanilla offensive scheme.

and back then he wasn't being as heavily assisted (27% assisted on 2's for yrs 1-4), he was creating his own.

idk, i don't think they're particularly close as scorers. steph's edge there is titanic. larger than zeke's edge in any other category.

for me, the whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts anyway. steph's 2016 >>> by leaps and bounds than any season zeke ever had, even the ones that ended in titles.

steph's already ahead for me, right today. in 5 years it won't even be a serious discussion.




>in steph's MVP seasons, even before Durant, he was getting
>assisted on 35% of his 2s and 55% of his 3s
>
>unfortunately those numbers dont exist for Zeke, but that
>seems like something from which Zeke did not benefit. Joe D
>averaged 4.9, 5.7, and 4.7 apg in 88, 89, 90. nobody else
>ever had more than 3 other than microwave, who backed both of
>them up.
>
>there was no iguodala or draymond (or durant today) giving
>legit tertiary/quaternary distribution to the point that Curry
>can play off ball a LOT. Isiah HAD to have the ball in his
>hands.
>
>i dunno man. i dont think isiah's numbers are reflective of
>what he could do today with ball movement like the warriors
>have.

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Explain how so?

Steph is a better shooter, arguably a better scorer but Zeke is the better defender, passer, ball handler, rebounder and is himself an all-time great scorer at the position, as well as the undisputed leader of his team.

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>Steph is a better shooter, arguably a better scorer but Zeke
>is the better defender, passer, ball handler, rebounder and is

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>even old nigga nostalgia and 80s/90s romanticism has to at
>some point have its logical boundaries.

You mean those boundaries?

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I always thought you were a pretty nigga, like that O,
and consequently, we had a bond. It's not many of us
active on the innanetz. I thought I had a friend.

But your posting as of late has me concerned.

You know damn well that didn't address a damn thing.

Jordan was a bum ass 1 and 9.

1-9.

1-9.

1-9.

He needed an ALL TIME GREAT Small forward. Not a random
all-star. He ain't do SHIT without Pip.

And to make matters worse:

Pippen had that SAME BULLS SQUAD competitive and damn
near in the Finals sans Jordan when he was playing
baseball.

Jorn ain't do shit without him.

Focus on this like a handsome man of African descent,
and discuss facts. I don't care how yellow you are.

Discuss it for the ancestors.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

I don't do threesomes with dudes or with anyone who
looks like a nose tackle, so you're off on two fronts

I'd say "No, thank you" but I don't actually thank you
for anything.

the "lebron helped your sex life" angle was both funny at my expense AND true

no part of this angle is either

you really just cant help yourself with the lying, even when the truth is BETTER than the lie

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>Pippen had that SAME BULLS SQUAD competitive and damn
>near in the Finals sans Jordan when he was playing
>baseball.

A botched call away from the Finals - nearly beat the Knicks in the ECF w/ out Jordan.

Let's see how Cleveland does without LeBron.

Jordan was blessed with organizational fortitude and competence, a great coach, quality talent assessment and drafting - and a team that is (appropriately) heralded as one of the all-time great teams to ever play.

How many LeBron James teams are considered in the pantheon of all-time great teams?

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And NO ONE speaks on it.

>>Pippen had that SAME BULLS SQUAD competitive and damn
>>near in the Finals sans Jordan when he was playing
>>baseball.
>
>A botched call away from the Finals - nearly beat the Knicks
>in the ECF w/ out Jordan.
>
>Let's see how Cleveland does without LeBron.
>
>Jordan was blessed with organizational fortitude and
>competence, a great coach, quality talent assessment and
>drafting - and a team that is (appropriately) heralded as one
>of the all-time great teams to ever play.
>
>How many LeBron James teams are considered in the pantheon of
>all-time great teams?
>
>None.
>
>
>
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because when you change "nearly" to "couldnt" it reads WAY different

>A botched call away from the Finals - nearly beat the Knicks
>in the ECF w/ out Jordan.

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>
>>Pippen had that SAME BULLS SQUAD competitive and damn
>>near in the Finals sans Jordan when he was playing
>>baseball.
>
>A botched call away from the Finals - nearly beat the Knicks
>in the ECF w/ out Jordan.
>
>Let's see how Cleveland does without LeBron.
>
>Jordan was blessed with organizational fortitude and
>competence, a great coach, quality talent assessment and
>drafting - and a team that is (appropriately) heralded as one
>of the all-time great teams to ever play.
>
>How many LeBron James teams are considered in the pantheon of
>all-time great teams?
>
>None.
>
>
>
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How's that Hurt Locker treating you guy?

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Everything's gonna be alright, just relax.


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Everybody on this board worried about you man. The tone of your posts are increasingly bitter and despondent, arguments divorced from reality.


I just felt like someone should reach out.

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>
>>Pippen had that SAME BULLS SQUAD competitive and damn
>>near in the Finals sans Jordan when he was playing
>>baseball.
>
>A botched call away from the Finals - nearly beat the Knicks
>in the ECF w/ out Jordan.
>

they lost in round 2, vex. not the conference finals.