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"Wrestling post (it's about that time) pre-Summerslam - ?"


  

          

Been trying yo get back into it full swing...starting to win me back.

Couple of things;

- Rollins....meh, a decent placeholder champion, but has he beaten anyone cleanly? I realize that's the point but he has to beat someone without total BS right? (maybe I missed it while he was up-and-coming *shrug*)

- Seeing Heyman reminded me of three things...I miss REAL ECW on Ritner street, Heyman must be eating real well on WWE money, and pairing him with Lesnar is one of the best moves WWE has done. Great on the mic. But with all that said, no way Undertaker doesn't win at SS right? Ugh...

- Of the Diva revolution, I'm down with Team B.A.D. Naomi...yep. All three actually.


- If Cena wins both belts @ SS, I probably quit watching again.

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They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

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I'm fascinated by the Taker/Lesnar outcome...
Aug 04th 2015
1
If Cena wins at SS, count the seconds for Sheamus cashing in...
Aug 04th 2015
2
its like they found the only scenario that'd make me root for cena
Aug 04th 2015
3
lol, yep.
Aug 19th 2015
20
3 minutes into Cena's celebration...Sheamus is coming...
Aug 14th 2015
9
I think someone here laid out a pretty clever scenario...
Aug 14th 2015
11
      That does make it interesting...
Aug 17th 2015
14
NXT Brooklyn is looking pretty great on paper
Aug 13th 2015
4
I genuinely implore you to look up Liger...
Aug 13th 2015
5
Awesome, thanks for that
Aug 14th 2015
12
Going to this and Raw that Monday
Aug 13th 2015
6
Liger is THAT dude...shocked he's still wrestling though...
Aug 14th 2015
7
      i have a Japan Supershow on tape somewhere with them in a classic
Aug 22nd 2015
25
I'm going to Summerslam...
Aug 14th 2015
8
cooler match would've been Sting/Taker vs Wyatt/Harper
Aug 14th 2015
10
      i'm not doubting that the match will be good
Aug 15th 2015
13
      I read they were considering bringing Sting in...
Aug 17th 2015
15
           that's exactly what happpened...but they could have took
Aug 18th 2015
18
Credit to Cena on an excellent promo...
Aug 18th 2015
16
yeah, Rollins was better than he's been in awhile too
Aug 18th 2015
17
LOL, that was good
Aug 19th 2015
21
Grantland article on New Jack (of ECW)
Aug 18th 2015
19
Did they legit sell out Barclays for the NXT show?
Aug 22nd 2015
22
Pretty sure it's sectioned off
Aug 22nd 2015
23
RE: Did they legit sell out Barclays for the NXT show?
Aug 22nd 2015
24
pretty much
Aug 23rd 2015
33
Damn that NXT crowd is crazy
Aug 22nd 2015
26
Triple H as the proud dad of NXT is one of the best Triple H's
Aug 22nd 2015
27
Off to a good start
Aug 22nd 2015
28
That Sasha Banks entrance...
Aug 22nd 2015
29
Bayley can't lose with the Dusty tribute outfit can she?
Aug 22nd 2015
30
Bayley and Sasha absolutely crushed it
Aug 22nd 2015
31
RE: Bayley and Sasha absolutely crushed it
Aug 23rd 2015
34
Man, that ladder match was vicious
Aug 22nd 2015
32
NXT brings it again
Aug 23rd 2015
35
RE: NXT brings it again
Aug 23rd 2015
36
I love New Day so much
Aug 23rd 2015
37
New Day loves you too
Aug 24th 2015
64
New Day just won Summerslam
Aug 23rd 2015
38
The Network should offer a feed of Xavier Woods at ringside
Aug 23rd 2015
39
His YouTube Channel is Hilarious
Aug 24th 2015
63
This seems real early in the card for the title-title match
Aug 23rd 2015
40
Women
Aug 23rd 2015
42
it's the first match where I've cared about the outcome
Aug 23rd 2015
44
      RE: it's the first match where I've cared about the outcome
Aug 23rd 2015
45
Seth In all white is very HBK
Aug 23rd 2015
41
seth rollins outchea lookin like he lost the white ranger suit shoulderp...
Aug 23rd 2015
43
God, that was so dumb and I absolutely loved it
Aug 23rd 2015
46
Seth Rollins put on a career match
Aug 23rd 2015
47
um, just tuned in... what just happened?
Aug 23rd 2015
48
funny thing is, Cena could become the biggest babyface....
Aug 23rd 2015
49
      1. he's already the biggest babyface in the company.
Aug 23rd 2015
51
fire someone:
Aug 23rd 2015
50
that was...wow lol
Aug 23rd 2015
52
Totally disagree great storytelling by WWE
Aug 23rd 2015
55
      Nobody WANTS to see a rematch though
Aug 23rd 2015
56
      ^^^^^i know I didn't
Aug 23rd 2015
57
      I dont know what you were watching
Aug 24th 2015
68
      Not storytelling, it's a cop out
Aug 24th 2015
58
      if you flirt with legitimacy, then you'd better play legitimately
Aug 24th 2015
65
      The story GOING into SS was Taker could beat Lesnar
Aug 24th 2015
69
           they should've just had Brock beat Taker clean
Aug 24th 2015
70
      do you know what the word great means?
Aug 24th 2015
72
I'm baffled by ballbusting Taker
Aug 23rd 2015
53
theyre trying to make him seem desperate
Aug 23rd 2015
54
That laughing exchange after the Tombstone was horrible...
Aug 24th 2015
60
Disappointed by the Lesnar/Taker and Cena/Rollins booking...
Aug 24th 2015
59
Heel Taker makes sense to me, but not like this.
Aug 24th 2015
61
      Is this "heel" Taker though?
Aug 24th 2015
66
           that's what they're going for, they just did it as poorly as possible
Aug 24th 2015
67
An alright show dragged down by a lot of things.
Aug 24th 2015
62
Let's not forget the show Rollins put on last night
Aug 24th 2015
71
New Day's HEEL Swag...
Aug 24th 2015
73
Dudley Death Drop!!!
Aug 24th 2015
74
RE: Dudley Death Drop!!!
Aug 24th 2015
75
      I guess being GM of TNA didn't pay enough
Aug 24th 2015
76
           Highest salary in the world means nothing if the checks are bouncing
Aug 27th 2015
91
*Looks for Team B.A.D...changes channel disappointed*
Aug 24th 2015
77
LOLOLOLOL @ John Cena Suuuuuucks to his entry music
Aug 24th 2015
78
John Cena Suuuuuucks to his entry music has been a thing for some time n...
Aug 24th 2015
79
      I guess you didn't read the original post
Aug 24th 2015
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           I guess you missed the part where I simply gave you current context
Aug 25th 2015
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                RE: I guess you missed the part where I simply gave you current context
Aug 25th 2015
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                     LADIES!!!LADIES!! LADIES!!! WHEN MY HAND GOES UP YOUR MOUTH GOES SHUT!
Aug 26th 2015
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                     lol are you seriously trying to manufacture an argument out of this?
Aug 26th 2015
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                          Actually, there are times when
Sep 01st 2015
99
                               riiiiight. because that "hurt feelings" line isn't there.
Sep 04th 2015
109
Well, this is short term exciting right?
Aug 25th 2015
83
I hadn't considered Sting having a chance to win but that makes sense
Aug 25th 2015
84
This proves New Day is the greatest group in the history of mankind
Aug 26th 2015
87
They're the modern day Edge & Christian.
Aug 26th 2015
88
Novel concept: let talented guys be themselves and they might get over?
Aug 26th 2015
89
RE: Novel concept: let talented guys be themselves and they might get ov...
Aug 27th 2015
90
Listen to the Jericho podcast with them
Aug 28th 2015
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      Read the transcript of that part
Aug 29th 2015
94
They're proof positive an Attitude Era style act can work without the vu...
Aug 30th 2015
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"Sir, the E does not stand for elephant!"
Aug 28th 2015
93
jimmy Snuka Arrested and charged with Manslaughter
Sep 01st 2015
96
What a weird ass weak in wrestling
Sep 01st 2015
97
      that hogan interview is bullshit
Sep 01st 2015
98
      Oh, and completely forgot the nut who got shot at the WWE Performance Ce...
Sep 02nd 2015
100
           named ARMANDO! lol
Sep 02nd 2015
101
Rollins should beat Cena AND Sting
Sep 02nd 2015
102
Situations like this always intrigue me...
Sep 03rd 2015
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The way'd I'd book it:
Sep 03rd 2015
104
      I like how all that sounds....
Sep 03rd 2015
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      Kids are gonna cheer/boo for who the WWE tells them are the good/bad guy...
Sep 03rd 2015
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      First class booking...
Sep 03rd 2015
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      this all makes perfect sense. Well done.
Sep 04th 2015
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           Loses to Cena, taps to STFU.
Sep 04th 2015
114
Sting and Hunter need a major injury, a sex scandal, or say the n word
Sep 04th 2015
110
Jesus H, I'm tired of the Attitude Era guys
Sep 04th 2015
111
this is why Stone Cold on the cover of the video game annoys me
Sep 04th 2015
112
RE: Jesus H, I'm tired of the Attitude Era guys
Sep 04th 2015
113
you're mad at the dudey boys? who STILL have it. and honestly
Sep 04th 2015
115
      I love the Dudley return
Sep 04th 2015
116
      Are the Dudleys washed up? No..
Sep 08th 2015
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           RE: Are the Dudleys washed up? No..
Sep 08th 2015
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           how do u know they aren't there to bring up the younger guys?
Sep 11th 2015
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I'm tired of it, because we are truly in the 'AA Era' to use your term
Sep 17th 2015
145
Does Xavier Woods not wrestle for a reason?
Sep 08th 2015
117
I think he's gotten so over as a "Jimmy Hart" presence
Sep 08th 2015
118
      I hear you...
Sep 08th 2015
119
Why Wrestling Matters (masked man swipe)
Sep 11th 2015
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kaufman was legit one of the greatest heels of all time
Sep 11th 2015
123
Xavier Woods plays the pink panther theme on trombone tonight
Sep 14th 2015
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RE: Xavier Woods plays the pink panther theme on trombone tonight
Sep 14th 2015
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Any guesses to Reigns and Ambrose's partner at NOC?
Sep 15th 2015
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rowan?
Sep 15th 2015
128
Is he near ready to return?
Sep 15th 2015
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i hope not..unless he's gonna turn on the shield
Sep 16th 2015
133
Samoa Joe made too much sense
Sep 15th 2015
129
God I hope it's Doink!
Sep 15th 2015
131
knowing them they probably haven't picked yet.
Sep 15th 2015
132
Sandow in a Seth Rollins wig/flak suit.
Sep 16th 2015
134
I like Keller's idea to put Axel in the wyatt family.
Sep 16th 2015
138
I want that Baron Corbin rumor to be true.
Sep 16th 2015
135
      Corbin is just incredibly boring to me
Sep 16th 2015
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           I don't think he translates well to the general NXT style
Sep 16th 2015
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                Yea NXT isn't the spot for the big monster
Sep 16th 2015
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                     if he was awesome on the mic I could see it
Sep 16th 2015
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                          Not really a monster, just sort of a badass enforcer
Sep 16th 2015
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                               fair enough, I just can't see him making any role interesting
Sep 16th 2015
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                               So, basically Roman Reigns?
Sep 16th 2015
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                                    Three years ago? Sure.
Sep 16th 2015
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                                         I'm ok if Reigns gets the title at this point
Sep 17th 2015
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                                              I still can't believe how badly they fucked up his push
Sep 17th 2015
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                                                   he forever gets props for making that Big Show match interesting
Sep 17th 2015
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                                                   yep. actually, when you look at all the ppv matches this year I'm betti...
Sep 17th 2015
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                                                        I consider myself a big fan of Reigns...
Sep 18th 2015
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                                                   Yea the issue is trying to make him appeal to kids
Sep 17th 2015
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So, does Rollins end the night with 2 belts, 1 belt, or zero?
Sep 20th 2015
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RE: So, does Rollins end the night with 2 belts, 1 belt, or zero?
Sep 20th 2015
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Smart business? He holds on to both in ruthless fashion
Sep 20th 2015
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The other side..
Sep 20th 2015
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      a face turn needs much more booking IMO. That said.....
Sep 20th 2015
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           RE: a face turn needs much more booking IMO. That said.....
Sep 20th 2015
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                Yeah it definitely would have crammed a month of storytelling into one n...
Sep 25th 2015
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Cena will get his win back.
Sep 20th 2015
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I hope they give KO a LOOOOONG title run n/m
Sep 20th 2015
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RE: I hope they give KO a LOOOOONG title run n/m
Sep 20th 2015
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Didn't enjoy the match but the love that he's champ!
Sep 21st 2015
182
Um, Taker-Brock in the cell next month?
Sep 20th 2015
160
Atleast we'll end the feud now and not wait til Mania
Sep 20th 2015
163
How out of the blue was that?!!?
Sep 21st 2015
181
Xavier Woods has Rufio hair
Sep 20th 2015
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Why do idiots from the crowd continue to run up on Reigns?
Sep 20th 2015
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Been happening a ton recently, not just to Reigns
Sep 20th 2015
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RE: Why do idiots from the crowd continue to run up on Reigns?
Sep 20th 2015
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that dude stood with them like he was the third man! lol
Sep 21st 2015
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      He was dressed like a Shield member too, he had that planned
Sep 21st 2015
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Jericho makes 0 Kayfabe sense as the partner
Sep 20th 2015
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agreed, but if we get a Jericho-Ambrose feud I'll gladly forget it
Sep 20th 2015
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Thumbs up!
Sep 21st 2015
183
even if you hate Corbin, you have to admit he'd have been a better pick
Sep 20th 2015
169
Does Sting owe the IRS or something?
Sep 20th 2015
170
Sting should never wrestle again. what a fucking debacle.
Sep 20th 2015
171
This is a weird ass finish that makes ZERO sense.
Sep 20th 2015
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OMG!! OMG!!! IT'S KANE!!!! THE BIG RED MACHINE IS HERE!!!
Sep 20th 2015
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idk how yall watch Raw/PPVs anymore.
Sep 20th 2015
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i forgot i was even still a network subscriber.
Sep 21st 2015
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lol
Sep 20th 2015
176
Out of nowhere, that show went off the rails in the last 10 minutes
Sep 20th 2015
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You ain't lying...
Sep 20th 2015
177
Only good thing about Kane is it buys Rollins a few more months of wins
Sep 20th 2015
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pretty much.
Sep 20th 2015
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I'm starting to wonder if they just plain don't realize what they have i...
Sep 20th 2015
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Apparently the Sting injury is legit and serious (short swipe)
Sep 21st 2015
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I wondered about that bump
Sep 21st 2015
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The move in itself is insane...
Sep 21st 2015
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Hope he's ok, but GOOD. Let this be a lesson learne to everyone. .
Sep 21st 2015
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Can I bet a million dollars on tonight's main event somewhere?
Sep 21st 2015
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ughhhhh
Sep 21st 2015
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The only force more powerful than Demon Kane
Sep 21st 2015
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      RE: The only force more powerful than Demon Kane
Sep 22nd 2015
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      RE: The only force more powerful than Demon Kane
Sep 22nd 2015
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           ?
Sep 22nd 2015
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                I just think that the video is funny
Sep 22nd 2015
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                     He also has 3 clean wins in about 5 weeks over the world champ
Sep 22nd 2015
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If New Day wasn't on my TV, I don't know if it'd be watchable
Sep 21st 2015
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Really enjoying the Reigns&Ambrose/Wyatts feud too though.
Sep 22nd 2015
199
They know we've seen under the ring right?
Sep 21st 2015
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but smoke came up this time.
Sep 22nd 2015
202
Lucha Underground Season 2 is a GO!
Sep 22nd 2015
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So WHAT was the point of Y2J?
Sep 22nd 2015
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to pop a crowd and get Y2J chants
Sep 22nd 2015
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      I think they are planting the seed for Ambrose vs Jericho
Sep 22nd 2015
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           down the line, sure, but it had zero place in this story
Sep 22nd 2015
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Good interview
Sep 24th 2015
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RE: Good interview
Sep 25th 2015
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Any Network subscribers watch 'Table for 3' with New Day?
Sep 25th 2015
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Well Big Show's career is surely over.
Oct 05th 2015
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Big Show is Big Show
Oct 05th 2015
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I mostly agree with you...
Oct 05th 2015
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      I mean Brock destroyed him at the Rumble in 2014
Oct 05th 2015
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they killed me tryna build him in 2 weeks after burying him for years
Oct 05th 2015
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Agreed. It looked almost desperate.
Oct 05th 2015
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we are not that lucky unfortunately
Oct 05th 2015
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      RE: we are not that lucky unfortunately
Oct 05th 2015
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Let's talk NXT Ironman
Oct 07th 2015
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It's amazing what happens when you let women be wrestlers and not "jealo...
Oct 07th 2015
221
I'm actually a little disappointed it's NOT being called Ironwoman
Oct 07th 2015
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Matter of taste, I guess.
Oct 07th 2015
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Ironwoman sounds both right and condescending at the same time
Oct 07th 2015
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      Iron Woman is very condescending.
Oct 07th 2015
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      Well put
Oct 07th 2015
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      I get that, I just thought given the context it felt right
Oct 07th 2015
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ironwoman doesnt roll off the tongue. simple as.
Oct 07th 2015
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Write it down. Jason Jordan will be the next big time white meat babyfac...
Oct 07th 2015
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He's not white so probably not.
Oct 07th 2015
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      lol I guarantee you Vince would jump at a black champion
Oct 07th 2015
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           Apollo seems to be the black guy everyone thinks will make it to the top
Oct 08th 2015
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           I know what you meant by white meat
Oct 08th 2015
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Shows like Breaking Ground are why the Network exists
Oct 25th 2015
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RE: Shows like Breaking Ground are why the Network exists
Oct 25th 2015
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They make everything in NXT matter, it's as simple as that
Oct 25th 2015
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heres hoping the ratings dip below 2.0
Oct 25th 2015
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      From what I hear Vince is 100% unphased by the ratings drop.
Oct 25th 2015
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Albertooooooooo Del RRRRRIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Oct 25th 2015
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Apron Alabama Slam...
Oct 25th 2015
240
A clean win for Rollins. Nice
Oct 25th 2015
241
LOL at the announcers stumbling over that blade job
Oct 25th 2015
242
Hell of a match.
Oct 25th 2015
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Great match, don't get the end
Oct 25th 2015
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      not a feud, a funeral
Oct 25th 2015
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           Nah they ganged up and beat him up
Oct 25th 2015
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                I could see Wyatts and Rollins vs a Taker babyface team
Oct 26th 2015
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                     Would be a good way to safely use Taker
Oct 26th 2015
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My son is very excited to see Taker at Survivor Series....
Oct 26th 2015
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Can't argue with any of the booking here.
Oct 26th 2015
249
main event finish is actually their smartest writing in ages
Oct 26th 2015
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      I agree...
Oct 26th 2015
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ADR is evidence that an "off-season" for wrestlers makes sense business ...
Oct 26th 2015
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Great point
Oct 26th 2015
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I agree to an extant, but no one cares about him in particular
Oct 26th 2015
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      yeah they don't call him alberto del frio for nothing.
Oct 26th 2015
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Ryback needs to go and fulfill his destiny...
Oct 26th 2015
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FOH. This is an insult to infants
Oct 26th 2015
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seriously, I've never been able to understand the character
Oct 26th 2015
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      Whatever happened to the "Warlord" type role?
Oct 27th 2015
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Looks like we're getting our Reigns vs Rollins feud
Oct 26th 2015
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I'm sorry, but the Superman punch
Oct 26th 2015
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But he really does load it up like Superman's gun
Oct 26th 2015
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..................No.
Oct 27th 2015
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The problem with the Superman Punch
Oct 27th 2015
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      It's part of the bigger problem with how they book Reigns
Oct 27th 2015
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But why was dude at ringside in the KO shirt cheering for it?
Oct 27th 2015
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its pretty corny but its not possible to be cornier than the 5NS
Oct 27th 2015
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agreed, at least the superman punch makes sense
Oct 27th 2015
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      RE: agreed, at least the superman punch makes sense
Oct 27th 2015
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Don't like it either, and moreso don't like the way he's portrayed
Oct 27th 2015
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They’ve mentioned his daughter quite a bit actually.
Oct 27th 2015
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      Ok, and admittedly I haven't watched much in recent months
Oct 27th 2015
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haven't watched in some weeks until last night. reigns got a nice pop
Oct 27th 2015
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Don't know how it sounded on tv but the pop was HUGE live when he won
Oct 27th 2015
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Reigns is boring.
Oct 27th 2015
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Rollins out 6-9 months with knee injury, WWE title vacated (swipe)
Nov 05th 2015
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Cesaro. DO IT, VINCE.
Nov 05th 2015
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I wanna see Cesaro-Brock SO bad
Nov 05th 2015
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I want to see Brock laugh off a Swiss Death
Nov 05th 2015
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      Uppercuts for 10 minutes straight would be hilarious.
Nov 05th 2015
281
Anyone but Cena or Reigns...please
Nov 05th 2015
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not sure what is, but i've just never been able to get into cesaro
Nov 05th 2015
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      give him a transporter/hitman gimmick and a solid manager
Nov 05th 2015
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      lol
Nov 05th 2015
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      he reminds me of one of the 7 Dwarfs.
Nov 10th 2015
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damn... ACL, MCL and meniscus? no way he's back in less than a year
Nov 05th 2015
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This is a really good thing all around.
Nov 05th 2015
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Real shame...
Nov 06th 2015
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So... who's your pick for new champ?
Nov 06th 2015
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Reigns wins Tourney, Sheamus cashes in
Nov 06th 2015
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Brilliant!
Nov 06th 2015
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There's a lot of creative ways they could go with it, but they won't.
Nov 06th 2015
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Would be ineteresting to have an internet darling win then Sheamus cash ...
Nov 06th 2015
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      there's STILL rumors that sheamus won't cash in soon
Nov 06th 2015
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           Kayfabe wise he is terrible at cashing in
Nov 06th 2015
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                the ref was at fault that last time
Nov 06th 2015
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RE: So... who's your pick for new champ?
Nov 07th 2015
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      would be way more fun if Reigns turned...
Nov 10th 2015
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Got my Mania tickets. Who's going? Who Knows Dallas?
Nov 06th 2015
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Next week on RAW - the youth movement continues
Nov 10th 2015
299
I like Owens and feel like he could handle the belt right now
Nov 10th 2015
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smark backlash incoming: but...I don't think Owens is The Guy
Nov 10th 2015
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Owens can hold the belt but he'll never be "that guy"
Nov 10th 2015
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Owens as a babyface could be The Guy.
Nov 10th 2015
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      I don't know that he makes a great face
Nov 10th 2015
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      Not to get all Stroud on you, but WWE faces are horrible people.
Nov 10th 2015
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      Again, don't see it. You'd believe in him vs Triple H ??
Nov 10th 2015
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that's the thing, his physique limits what they can do with his look
Nov 10th 2015
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Definitely thought Ziggler would make it to the semis...
Nov 18th 2015
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1. "I'm fascinated by the Taker/Lesnar outcome..."
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On one hand, if anyone's earned the right to be the man to dethrone Lesnar, it's Taker. I don't think Lesnar losing hurts him in any way but I think there's still money in that moment when Lesnar actually gets defeated by someone on a grand stage. As much as Taker has earned the right to be that guy (by doing the honours at Mania), I still think he's too much of a pro and a legend to take that moment from someone else so I don't think Taker will get the pinfall.

My money's on a DQ finish or a clean Lesnar win.

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2. "If Cena wins at SS, count the seconds for Sheamus cashing in..."
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I think he'll either do it straightaway or the next night on RAW.

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3. "its like they found the only scenario that'd make me root for cena"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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20. "lol, yep."
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that's an automatic Cena rooting moment right there

  

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9. "3 minutes into Cena's celebration...Sheamus is coming..."
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11. "I think someone here laid out a pretty clever scenario..."
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Was it here I saw this?

- Rollins wins WWE Title and US Title
- Sheamus Cashses in and wins WWE Title
- Rollins is now US champ

Would be fun to see play out. Lord knows where you go with it but it'd be entertaining.

  

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14. "That does make it interesting..."
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I'd actually like to see Rollins take the titles, which I think he will - he took the clean loss on Raw to Cena, plus the announcers are even talking about Rollins not having generated enough respect as champ so I think he'll take the win. What happens afterwards though...?

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4. "NXT Brooklyn is looking pretty great on paper"
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Balor-Owens in a ladder match for the title and Banks-Bailey for the women's belt is a stacked double main event for me. Can't say I know much about Jushin Thunder Liger, but I'm in on anything Tyler Breeze does, so that's cool. Uhaa Nation debuting.

Rest of the card is looking kinda whatever to me. I'm terribly bored with Corbin, so him vs. Joe might be cool. Might not be. Tag title match could be cool. I don't care much for Blake and Murphy, although they're a bit more interesting with Alexa Bliss around, I guess.

So, yeah, should be a typically great NXT live special, even if the two main event outcomes seems pretty obvious. Brooklyn crowd should be pretty hype for the show. Place will probably go nuts should (when) Bailey takes the women's belt, which will be great.

  

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5. "I genuinely implore you to look up Liger..."
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He's such a legend and incredible wrestler. I quickly typed his name into YouTube and found this video which works as something of an introduction but it's best to watch his actual matches and there's such a huge amount on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpV2Eufwr-o

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12. "Awesome, thanks for that"
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I'll definitely check out more of this stuff this week.

  

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6. "Going to this and Raw that Monday"
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Summerslam sold out too quick and the secondhand tickets are too rich for my blood, but I'm really excited for this.

  

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7. "Liger is THAT dude...shocked he's still wrestling though..."
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I remember his matches with Flyin Brian Pillman in WCW...they were epic pieces of work...

  

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25. "i have a Japan Supershow on tape somewhere with them in a classic"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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8. "I'm going to Summerslam..."
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I'm not too happy with Lesnar/Taker...I already saw this live at WM30...so I wasn't thrilled about the main event...

Disappointed that Sting isn't wrestling either...

But this ends the WWE Slam (Gone to Mania, Survivor Series, Royal Rumble, and soon Summerslam)...

  

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10. "cooler match would've been Sting/Taker vs Wyatt/Harper"
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seeing Sting and Taker tag would've been epic.

I do think Taker/Lesnar will be good though. I just can't see Taker not showing ass after how bad that WM 30 match was.

  

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13. "i'm not doubting that the match will be good"
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just been there...done that...that's all...

  

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15. "I read they were considering bringing Sting in..."
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to tag with Reigns and Ambrose against Wyatts but didn't go through with it for some reason. Maybe because Rowan is still on the shelf and they'd need a third man?

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18. "that's exactly what happpened...but they could have took "
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Ambrose out...

  

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16. "Credit to Cena on an excellent promo..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJR0M7Li9hE

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17. "yeah, Rollins was better than he's been in awhile too"
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21. "LOL, that was good"
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19. "Grantland article on New Jack (of ECW)"
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truly a terrifying mfer.

http://grantland.com/features/new-jack-violent-wrestler-retired-ecw/

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22. "Did they legit sell out Barclays for the NXT show? "
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If so, that's amazing. Crazy that Owens and Sasha Banks are doing double duty.

  

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23. "Pretty sure it's sectioned off"
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They sold out the seats they have but I don't think it's the full arena.

  

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24. "RE: Did they legit sell out Barclays for the NXT show? "
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>If so, that's amazing. Crazy that Owens and Sasha Banks are
>doing double duty.

Its wild that they can get Raw numbers in a building for NXT tho. That lets us know how big the love is getting (huh!).

If Bayley loses, there's gonna be a Liz saving Macho Man from Queen Sherry at Mania 7 amount of crying in that arena.

Jimaveli

  

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33. "pretty much"
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there were a handful of empty seats in one side of the expensive section but ither than that it was packed.

  

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26. "Damn that NXT crowd is crazy"
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Fair to say they've reached a top level, only so long til Vince gets his hands on it now

  

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27. "Triple H as the proud dad of NXT is one of the best Triple H's"
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Oh, man, Tyler kicking things off. I'm ready.

  

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28. "Off to a good start"
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I really like the Vaudvillians in the ring. That tag match was really fun.

Breeze might be my favorite NXT guy.

  

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29. "That Sasha Banks entrance..."
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I didn't think anything could make me want to see Bayley lose, but that entrance. Sasha's the greatest. I'm still pulling for Bayley, though. This is gonna be incredible.

  

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30. "Bayley can't lose with the Dusty tribute outfit can she?"
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Unless that's what the tribute is about

  

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31. "Bayley and Sasha absolutely crushed it"
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They're both so great. Just a perfect end to a multiple-year arc there. I guess Bayler's gonna hold down the women's NXT division for a while, but she's totally ready for the call-up too.

Good luck to everyone else wrestling this weekend who has to try and follow that up.

  

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34. "RE: Bayley and Sasha absolutely crushed it"
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People have really been buzzing about this match. Good to see these chicks killing it. Some of those moves they were doing were nuts...When Banks jumped over the ref, over the ropes, and landed on Bayley that shit had me marking out. Excellent match....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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32. "Man, that ladder match was vicious"
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Just an all-around great NXT show. Maybe their best live special yet? I don't remember one match I was underwhelmed by. I guess I could've gotten more out of the Crews debut, but he did enough to show that he's gonna just blow up quickly. The tag match was a lot of fun, and Corbin-Joe was probably the best match either of them have had in NXT so far. Then the women's match is a match of the year candidate and the NXT title match was just brutal. WWE's got an embarrassment of talent right now.

  

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35. "NXT brings it again"
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Seriously, if you get to see them live, do it. Almost went to ROH, glad I decided against it. So much fun from start to finish. Enzo and Cass got a hue pop in the taping before. Gave me hope for their transition to the main roster. Eva Marie got all the (genuine) boos. The two main events were incredible. And I always love yelling at Baron Corbin. Don't know if they showed this, but the four horsewomen had a curtain call moment.

  

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36. "RE: NXT brings it again"
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>Seriously, if you get to see them live, do it. Almost went to
>ROH, glad I decided against it. So much fun from start to
>finish. Enzo and Cass got a hue pop in the taping before. Gave
>me hope for their transition to the main roster. Eva Marie got
>all the (genuine) boos. The two main events were incredible.
>And I always love yelling at Baron Corbin. Don't know if they
>showed this, but the four horsewomen had a curtain call
>moment.

They showed the curtain call. They almost got me with that one. That was one helleva match. They got the storytelling dead right. When Sasha stomped Bayley's hand to try to stop her from reaching the ropes, maaaaaaaan. And yeah...movez.

Jimaveli

  

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37. "I love New Day so much"
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64. "New Day loves you too"
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https://i.imgur.com/VI5RBlS.webm
https://fat.gfycat.com/CircularReadyFlatfish.webm


On a slightly different note, Xavier Woods on Virgil:

https://twitter.com/XavierWoodsPhD/status/635683149855498240

  

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38. "New Day just won Summerslam "
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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39. "The Network should offer a feed of Xavier Woods at ringside"
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I just want to hear that dude yelling around breakfast foods and tricep meat all the time.

  

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63. "His YouTube Channel is Hilarious"
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Called UpUpDownDown...it's him and some cats in the locker room talking trash playing video games.

Funny stuff

  

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40. "This seems real early in the card for the title-title match"
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42. "Women"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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44. "it's the first match where I've cared about the outcome"
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A few of the other matches were cool(New Day was hilarious, Ambrose and Reigns/Wyatts past history is enough to at least make me pay attention)......but the remaining 4 matches are really the only ones I'm interested in and care about the outcomes. So in that regard, I'm glad that after 2 hours, I've got something I care about.

  

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45. "RE: it's the first match where I've cared about the outcome"
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>A few of the other matches were cool(New Day was hilarious,
>Ambrose and Reigns/Wyatts past history is enough to at least
>make me pay attention)......but the remaining 4 matches are
>really the only ones I'm interested in and care about the
>outcomes. So in that regard, I'm glad that after 2 hours,
>I've got something I care about.

Oh, absolutely. Feels like there's been a lot of filler so far, but this match, Cesaro-Owens, women's match and the main event should all be great.

  

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41. "Seth In all white is very HBK "
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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43. "seth rollins outchea lookin like he lost the white ranger suit shoulderp..."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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46. "God, that was so dumb and I absolutely loved it"
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Jon Stewart should've left The Daily Show like five years ago and just joined the WWE as a GM or authority figure or some shit.

Before that amazing ending, though, Rollins and Cena were again awesome. They work so well together.

  

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47. "Seth Rollins put on a career match"
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48. "um, just tuned in... what just happened?"
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rollins dressed like a babyface (sans '93 dibiase/'94 hbk), aided and abetted by a babyface tv host.. goes over on uber babyface face of the company.

is vince drinking again?

  

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49. "funny thing is, Cena could become the biggest babyface...."
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by turning heel, at this point.

  

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51. "1. he's already the biggest babyface in the company. "
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>by turning heel, at this point.

No, turning heel would make him the biggest heel. At most we'd get a similarly split reaction due to some smarks cheering him while the families, women, and children who currently cheer him boo the everloving shot out of him

  

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50. "fire someone:"
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if that was the timekeeper's fault, fire him.

and if someone actually BOOKED that shit, fire him, rehire him, and fire him again.

  

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52. "that was...wow lol"
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some WCW level ending there.

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55. "Totally disagree great storytelling by WWE"
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WWE didnt show the undertaker tap until the replay...so it sets up a rubber match at Wrestlemania. Also Brock never tapped, he passed out. So it protects Brock by not having him get pinned or tapped. It makes people want to see a rematch. And it makes the rivalry even more personal.

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56. "Nobody WANTS to see a rematch though"
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Already half the audience, at least, didnt want to see part 2.

This is a no win situation at Mania. Brock wins and Taker loses at WM again and seemingly his retirement match. Taker wins and we waste all we built up Brock for on a washed up has been on his way out.

  

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57. "^^^^^i know I didn't "
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68. "I dont know what you were watching "
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But the crowd was hot for that match..

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58. "Not storytelling, it's a cop out"
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Now everyone won! Yay!

  

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65. "if you flirt with legitimacy, then you'd better play legitimately"
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Lesnar is a real life legitimate badass. Everyone knows it.

Sportscenter was broadcasting live from out front of the Barclays.

You're flirting with being something pseudo-legitimate, people's interest is going to be especially piqued.

And to turn THAT in? Oh man. What a missed opportunity.

  

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69. "The story GOING into SS was Taker could beat Lesnar"
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They hyped up the streak, they hyped up Brock not tapping or getting pinned in 2 years...so realistically there is no way for the Taker to beat Brock, so what happens, Taker taps, ring bell rings but Ref didn't call it, so Brock is confused, Taker chokes Brock out...

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70. "they should've just had Brock beat Taker clean"
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But have Taker look really impressive in losing.

Then between now and Mania Taker shows up occasionally haunting Lesnar trying to get one more crack at him, but Lesnar just laughs him off. On some "Get real old man I beat your ass twice"

Have Lesnar win the title again at Survivor Series.

How does Taker get one more crack at Lesnar? The Royal Rumble. Taker wins the Rumble.

Taker/Lesnar 3 at Cowboys Stadium for the WWE Championship. Taker wins, retires with the title, forfeits it the next night on Raw and rides off into the sunset. It's simple, it makes sense, and no one's starpower really takes a hit.

  

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72. "do you know what the word great means?"
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53. "I'm baffled by ballbusting Taker"
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and why he's seemingly going heel at this point.

The 2 big matches had screwy finishes.....I was loving both matches until the end, and then was completely confused by the endings I just watched.

Owens-Cesaro was good, which was not surprising.

The Divas match was disappointing, but I guess I should've seen that coming....how could a 9 person elimination tag be all that good?

The first 6 matches and 2 hours were largely boring, other than New Day's comedy.

The NXT show was way better.

  

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54. "theyre trying to make him seem desperate "
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As if being 50 and trying to fight a former UFC champion wasn't desperate enough

They screwed this up so bad.

  

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60. "That laughing exchange after the Tombstone was horrible..."
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Firstly, no one should be laughing after taking a Tombstone so that was ill-advised in my book, but Taker "laughing" back was not a good sight.

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59. "Disappointed by the Lesnar/Taker and Cena/Rollins booking..."
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The 2 matches that really deserved clean finishes were denied them...

Rollins/Cena was a really good match but Rollins dominating the way he did was bizarre in light of Cena's RAW promo. I honestly think Rollins should've taken that win cleanly as his reign really needed it. Besides, all he needed was the knee shot at the end followed by the Pedigree - no chairs were needed. Baffled by how Stewart will be explained in this.

Disastrous booking for Taker/Lesnar too. Taker comes out really bad: he taps, he knew he tapped, but then hits a low blow. I was convinced Lesnar would take the win but this was badly done.

Really good PPV otherwise though!

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61. "Heel Taker makes sense to me, but not like this."
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there's a way to do a screwy finish and this wasn't it. The Cena-Rollins finish. Fine. I'll take it.

  

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66. "Is this "heel" Taker though?"
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If it is, I'm surprised that they're reinventing a character who's wrestled something like 6 matches in 6 years. Curious to know if he's actually going to engage in an actual heel run or if this was a way for everyone to win and move on...?!

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67. "that's what they're going for, they just did it as poorly as possible"
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n/m

  

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62. "An alright show dragged down by a lot of things."
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Super slow first half. Weird finishes. Paled in comparison to the NXT show. Only Wrestlemania gets to be 4 hours. Hopefully they learned their lesson.

  

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71. "Let's not forget the show Rollins put on last night"
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The thing everyone will talk about is the ending of the PPV and John Stewart's weird interference.

New Day will get some remeberance for their great show.

But let us never forget that Rollins single handily carried a struggling to keep up with him John Cena into a Match of the year up until the end candidate. He was just non stop with innovation all match.

  

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73. "New Day's HEEL Swag..."
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Is magnificent...This is what professional wrestling is all about....lol

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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74. "Dudley Death Drop!!!"
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They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

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75. "RE: Dudley Death Drop!!!"
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That crowd was hot...lol D Boys still got it...

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76. "I guess being GM of TNA didn't pay enough"
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for Bubba Ray

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91. "Highest salary in the world means nothing if the checks are bouncing"
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77. "*Looks for Team B.A.D...changes channel disappointed*"
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78. "LOLOLOLOL @ John Cena Suuuuuucks to his entry music"
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This crowd is very good - except the wave...

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79. "John Cena Suuuuuucks to his entry music has been a thing for some time n..."
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80. "I guess you didn't read the original post"
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the part about haven't followed in a while, just getting back into it, etc

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81. "I guess you missed the part where I simply gave you current context "
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Without being a dick about it

I was simply pointing out that the "Cena Suuuuuucks" to his theme music thing isn't specific to this specific crowd.

  

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82. "RE: I guess you missed the part where I simply gave you current context "
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>Without being a dick about it
>
>I was simply pointing out that the "Cena Suuuuuucks" to his
>theme music thing isn't specific to this specific crowd.


Thank you. If I hurt your feelings, I apologize.

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85. "LADIES!!!LADIES!! LADIES!!! WHEN MY HAND GOES UP YOUR MOUTH GOES SHUT! "
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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

  

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86. "lol are you seriously trying to manufacture an argument out of this?"
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>Thank you. If I hurt your feelings, I apologize.

Lol. It's pretty clear you're the one in your feelings here, I was just explaining that the chant has been around for a minute.

Carry on with your manufactured argument over nothing though.

  

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99. " Actually, there are times when"
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"I apologize" means "I apologize"

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109. "riiiiight. because that "hurt feelings" line isn't there. "
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>"I apologize" means "I apologize"

Listen, you want to continue trying to derail a perfectly clean and civil post by being an overly sensitive cunt, by my guest. I'm more than happy to oblige.

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83. "Well, this is short term exciting right?"
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They followed up a mostly dud of a pay per view with one of the more interesting Raws in ages.

- I assume Rollins is going to defend the US title against Cena, then wrestle again and defend against Sting. What a hoss. He should win them both too.

- but if they opt to put the title on Sting, that's kind of cool too. It's something different at least right? Sting doesn't really want a run with the title, but it would be a nice accomplishment for him anyways. So you put the title on him for about 5 minutes, or at least until Raw the next night, then Sheamus cashes in on Sting. In an instant, Sheamus has some of the most toxic heat ever.

  

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84. "I hadn't considered Sting having a chance to win but that makes sense"
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Get his name in the record books then let Sheamus take it.

I hate Sheamus and just want him to cash in and be done with it already so if that speeds up the process then ok.


Rollins is MVP right now, I still can't get over how good he was at Summerslam. Heyman was right about him when he said he is a guy who every few years you'll look back and be like wow I can't believe I thought he was so good a few years ago considering how much better he is now.

  

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87. "This proves New Day is the greatest group in the history of mankind"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9aoTLldUIc&feature=youtube

Seriously though, this is some of the best stuff going in wrestling.

  

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88. "They're the modern day Edge & Christian. "
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I can't think of another tag team brimming with this much personality and charisma.

New Age Outlaws I guess but they're a little too corny at times to really be on this level.

Their celebration after winning the titles was nothing short of marvelous. I hope Vincent is as behind this incarnation as he was the gospel edition

  

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89. "Novel concept: let talented guys be themselves and they might get over?"
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This is so so so so great

  

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90. "RE: Novel concept: let talented guys be themselves and they might get ov..."
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>This is so so so so great



^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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92. "Listen to the Jericho podcast with them"
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It's terrifying to think that Vince thought the initial version of New Day would get them over as babyfaces. Like he was shocked it wasn't working. They sugarcoat it, but if you read between the lines it paints a picture of how out of touch Vince is. Happy that these 3 talented guys stuck it out and are now must see TV every week.

  

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94. "Read the transcript of that part"
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>It's terrifying to think that Vince thought the initial
>version of New Day would get them over as babyfaces. Like he
>was shocked it wasn't working. They sugarcoat it, but if you
>read between the lines it paints a picture of how out of touch
>Vince is. Happy that these 3 talented guys stuck it out and
>are now must see TV every week.

Yeesh. I feel so bad for them with how much they hated it. Really glad they get to go out there and just have fun now. The trombone segment was something you just don't see anymore.

  

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95. "They're proof positive an Attitude Era style act can work without the vu..."
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This is an AE act without the sex and lightweight foul language. Kevin Owens fits that mold to a degree as well. They're idiots if they don't go full tilt with these guys.

  

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93. ""Sir, the E does not stand for elephant!" "
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Brilliant.
Credit to Cole for keeping a straight face through that.

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96. "jimmy Snuka Arrested and charged with Manslaughter"
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http://www.sescoops.com/jimmy-snuka-arrested-to-be-charged-with-third-degree-murder-involuntary-manslaughter/

WWE Hall of Famer “Superfly” Jimmy Snuka was arrested this morning at his New Jersey home and will be charged with third-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter for the death of his girlfriend more than 32 years ago.

Snuka was arraigned at 1:50 p.m. Tuesday at the Lehigh County Central Booking Center. He was sent to county jail under $100,000 bail.


Earlier this month, Snuka’s wife revealed that he was diagnosed with stomach cancer.

In his 2012 autobiography, Snuka maintained his innocence and said Argentino’s death ruined his life.

“Many terrible things have been written about me hurting Nancy and being responsible for her death, but they are not true,” he wrote. “This has been very hard on me and very hard on my family. To this day, I get nasty notes and threats. It hurts. I never hit Nancy or threatened her.”


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97. "What a weird ass weak in wrestling"
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* Hulk Hogan apology interview
* The WWE Champion's girlfriend is outted as a possible Nazi sympathizer (or just an idiot) and is fired
* TNA wrestler, and the (ex?) husband of Ric Flair's daughter and current WWE diva, is arrested and charged with domestic battery
* Jimmy Snuka finally getting charged for killing his GF over 30 years ago

All the while it's 2015 and Sting is about to wrestle for the WWE Championship.

  

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98. "that hogan interview is bullshit"
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Terry Bollea is a very disingenuous, off his rocker, and dishonest man

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100. "Oh, and completely forgot the nut who got shot at the WWE Performance Ce..."
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101. "named ARMANDO! lol"
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102. "Rollins should beat Cena AND Sting"
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Then beat Hunter at Survivor Series.

He'll be a made man babyface after that forever

  

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103. "Situations like this always intrigue me..."
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This will be Sting's second WWE match - it'd be strange for him to lose this one as well so keen to see how it'll be booked.

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104. "The way'd I'd book it:"
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Sting is on his way to winning the WWE World Title. Maybe he's got Seth down after a Scorpion Death Drop or has him in the Scorpion Death Lock, doesn't matter. Sting is about to win the title. Triple H ain't having it. No way is he letting the WCW guy carry the WWE belt. He sends Sheamus down to cash in. He hits Sting with the briefcase and he's knocked out on the outside of the ring. Hands the ref the briefcase, triple threat, Rollins gets up, Brogue Kick, 1-2-3. Sheamus is the champion, Sting isn't beaten so he saves face in the "loss."

Next night on Raw Rollins is all "WTF was that?" to Triple H and HHH explains he needed to do what's best for business and he couldn't let Sting take his belt. He gives Seth his rematch and tells him the belt is coming back with the Authority at HIAC and in that we finally get the HHH turn on Seth. HHH helps Sheamus retain, becomes the Authority's new champion, and we work our way to Mania with Seth and HHH and meanwhile we likely feed Sheamus to Roman.

  

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105. "I like how all that sounds...."
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>Sting is on his way to winning the WWE World Title. Maybe
>he's got Seth down after a Scorpion Death Drop or has him in
>the Scorpion Death Lock, doesn't matter. Sting is about to win
>the title. Triple H ain't having it. No way is he letting the
>WCW guy carry the WWE belt. He sends Sheamus down to cash in.
>He hits Sting with the briefcase and he's knocked out on the
>outside of the ring. Hands the ref the briefcase, triple
>threat, Rollins gets up, Brogue Kick, 1-2-3. Sheamus is the
>champion, Sting isn't beaten so he saves face in the "loss."
>
>Next night on Raw Rollins is all "WTF was that?" to Triple H
>and HHH explains he needed to do what's best for business and
>he couldn't let Sting take his belt. He gives Seth his rematch
>and tells him the belt is coming back with the Authority at
>HIAC and in that we finally get the HHH turn on Seth. HHH
>helps Sheamus retain, becomes the Authority's new champion,
>and we work our way to Mania with Seth and HHH and meanwhile
>we likely feed Sheamus to Roman.


But Seth is a great heel... But this would elevate him further (start winning clean) and no longer leaves Sheamus just floating... Make that dude a powerful heel...

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106. "Kids are gonna cheer/boo for who the WWE tells them are the good/bad guy..."
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But outside of them, people will cheer for people who are entertaining and have a great work rate, so as long as WWE tells the kids Seth is a good guy they'll cheer, and the rest of us already are ready to cheer for him as he continues to put on outstanding matches. This is the guy who was the star of The Shield towards the end of their run, and he will kill it in the Shawn Michaels like smaller guy in a big guy pond roll.

In fact, part of my booking would be to have Triple H force Seth to be #1 in the Rumble, put on an amazing iron man like performance, make it all the way to the end (final 4 or 5ish) when Triple H himself puts himself at #30 and eliminates Seth. Have some heel eventually win it and go on to Mania to challenge Roman.

  

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107. "First class booking..."
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Can't fault it at all. Sheamus would probably be perfect for Reigns to go after too as I really can't see the crowd siding with him over Reigns. Very good.

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108. "this all makes perfect sense. Well done."
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Plus, Rollins would presumably still be US champion?

  

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114. "Loses to Cena, taps to STFU."
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In a promo between matches he explains he only did it to save his energy for the match where only title that actually matters to him is on the line.

Cena goes back to open challenge and eventually putting someone who needs it over (LOLYEAHFUCKINGRIGHTLOL)

  

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110. "Sting and Hunter need a major injury, a sex scandal, or say the n word"
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Anything to get them off wwe TV for good.

So unless Seth literally breaks them in the ring, I have zero interest in any of that regardless of who goes over.

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111. "Jesus H, I'm tired of the Attitude Era guys"
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Save the "rising tide lifts all boats" bullshit because that's not the case.

The longer they continue to rely this heavily on the stars of yesteryear at the expense of building their current crop to greater heights, the more they need to rely on the stars of yesteryear.

Present these younger guys as a big deal and they'll be a big deal. These motherfuckers need to stop trying to hotshot with AA era guys and actually focus on building a roster that doesn't need those guys so that when they do bring in a legend it's actually a bonus that adds to an already great show instead of being the whole fucking show (c).

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112. "this is why Stone Cold on the cover of the video game annoys me"
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I love Stone Cold as much as the next guy, but you have a crop of young stars and you throw Austin on the cover a couple years after Rock? I mean at least Rock was technically still wrestling sorta. How many retrospectives can we do on something that was just 15 years ago? Promote the young guys (and gals). They're great and it'll help in the long-term.


>AA era

haha, Attitude Adjustment era!

  

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113. "RE: Jesus H, I'm tired of the Attitude Era guys"
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>Save the "rising tide lifts all boats" bullshit because
>that's not the case.
>
>The longer they continue to rely this heavily on the stars of
>yesteryear at the expense of building their current crop to
>greater heights, the more they need to rely on the stars of
>yesteryear.
>
>Present these younger guys as a big deal and they'll be a big
>deal. These motherfuckers need to stop trying to hotshot with
>AA era guys and actually focus on building a roster that
>doesn't need those guys so that when they do bring in a legend
>it's actually a bonus that adds to an already great show
>instead of being the whole fucking show (c).

I agree, having Sting and the Dudleys in for more than a cameo is weak and to the detriment of the brand, but it could be worse...watch TNA for a week. Jeff Jarrett. Bobby Lashley. Mr. (Kennedy) Anderson. Matt Hardy. Jeff Hardy. MVP. I gave it two weeks...that was four weeks too many.

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115. "you're mad at the dudey boys? who STILL have it. and honestly"
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aren't "old" by any means. i could see if they moved around the ring like hogan, but...they haven't really missed a step. and seem to be legit bad asses...which wrestling needs now, since everyone is a damned 6 pack pretty boy

wow

how long should a guy stay in before u give a person his walking papers?



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116. "I love the Dudley return"
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They're fun, they're still good, and it doesn't have that mild air of sadness that some tag team returns have like DX.

  

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120. "Are the Dudleys washed up? No.."
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But they've been around for 20 years, no spring chickens. They are slowing down, and I doubt that they can do a long term, full-time run. I love the Dudleys, I'm a veteran of the bingo hall at Ritner Street, but if they show up out of nowhere and win the belts, that IMO lessens the rest of the tag division (New Day, PTP, even Ascension) which are pretty decent. Develop the young talent instead of trotting out the retreads. Look at how they've built up the Divas, no need to bring in Medusa or Sunny. Same thing needs to happen for the men....the talent is there, or at least available, just develop it and book better.

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121. "RE: Are the Dudleys washed up? No.."
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>But they've been around for 20 years, no spring chickens.
>They are slowing down, and I doubt that they can do a long
>term, full-time run. I love the Dudleys, I'm a veteran of the
>bingo hall at Ritner Street, but if they show up out of
>nowhere and win the belts, that IMO lessens the rest of the
>tag division (New Day, PTP, even Ascension) which are pretty
>decent. Develop the young talent instead of trotting out the
>retreads. Look at how they've built up the Divas, no need to
>bring in Medusa or Sunny. Same thing needs to happen for the
>men....the talent is there, or at least available, just
>develop it and book better.


Nah...The Dudleys are entertaining as hell. Like Right Now....

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124. "how do u know they aren't there to bring up the younger guys?"
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u know they CAN be over and get other people over at the same time


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145. "I'm tired of it, because we are truly in the 'AA Era' to use your term"
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John Cena, while technically a product of the tail end of the Attitude Era, is really the model for how WWE has been presented ever since his ascension

the anti-Attitude, the "Attitude Adjustment" Era

and yet they keep teasing and teasing and teasing a return to TV-14 "greatness" that honestly after so many years of the TV-PG "Cena" style looks kind of outdated

I don't know why it's so hard to just let the new guys be "the guys"

and let the legends be the legends

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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117. "Does Xavier Woods not wrestle for a reason?"
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118. "I think he's gotten so over as a "Jimmy Hart" presence"
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Plus, Kofi's the more established hand of the two "speed guys" in New Day, so you roll with him and Epsilon as your tag.

Though if they wanted to put the IC belt on Xavier like Ambrose had the US Title during the Shield's run, I don't think anybody'd be too mad at it. Book him like Daniel Bryan's heel "big gold" run and you've got some fun times there.

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119. "I hear you..."
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but I thought their whole concept was about switching the numbers up so if they were less inclined to go with him for the big PPV matches, fair enough, but he should still mix it up on the weekly shows.

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122. "Why Wrestling Matters (masked man swipe)"
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Awesome read, and great to see mainstream cred coming to wrassling. Lotta good links and gifs in the article proper if you click

http://grantland.com/features/why-wrestling-matters-wwe-vince-mcmahon-mainstream-attention-brock-lesnar-the-rock-jon-stewart/

Thanks to the Internet, nerd culture, and transcendent performers like Brock Lesnar and Dwayne ‘The Rock’ Johnson, WWE and professional wrestling as a whole are enjoying a high point of mainstream acceptance and popularity

by THE MASKED MAN ON SEPTEMBER 9, 2015
In 1982, on Late Night With David Letterman, pro wrestling made a surprise run-in. Andy Kaufman — comedian, star of Taxi, and frequent Saturday Night Live guest — had been improbably feuding with Memphis wrestling star Jerry “the King” Lawler. The two had been at odds since Kaufman had shown up at Lawler’s regional promotion, calling the Mid-South crowd hayseeds and challenging women to matches, claiming to be the “Inter-Gender Wrestling Champion of the World.” It was a shtick he had worked in his stand-up act, and as a longtime wrestling fan (and committed meta comic), Kaufman was desperate to take the gimmick to the actual ring. Before Lawler, Kaufman had pitched the stunt to Vince McMahon Sr. — head of the promotion that would become WWE — and McMahon turned him down because he feared that letting a skinny comedian participate would delegitimize the pro wrestling enterprise.

When Kaufman finally brought his provocative routine to Memphis, it caught fire immediately. He professed to be from Hollywood and sneered at the bathing habits (or, he implied, lack thereof) of the Memphis fans. Eventually Lawler grew tired of Kaufman, got the comedian in the ring, and dropped him in back-to-back piledrivers that left fans in the packed Mid-South Coliseum screeching in delight. Kaufman left the arena in an ambulance.

When Lawler and Kaufman appeared on Letterman to bury the hatchet, the host probably thought he was booking an offbeat comedy bit. What he got was something totally different, but to wrestling fans something familiar — the two sat side by side and awkwardly sniped at each other, until Lawler eventually stood up and smacked Kaufman out of his chair. Kaufman launched into an expletive-laced monologue that nearly got him banned for life from NBC. Letterman was visibly shaken.



It was a singular mainstream moment in pro wrestling history — because of the platform, because of the cool factor of both Letterman and Kaufman, and because of the legitimacy engendered by Lawler’s slap. If judged by staying power, it belongs among the top 10 moments in wrestling pop culture history. Critics regarded this appearance as the epitome of Kaufman’s brilliance. They thought it was a postmodern comedic performance. But it really was an early-era worked shoot. This wasn’t an innovation as much as it was Pro Wrestling 101.

But Kaufman did accomplish something important — he showed the wrestling business the path to widespread popularity. WWE, which has spent much of the subsequent decades chasing mainstream press and approval, missed out on its chance to hit the jackpot when McMahon Sr. declined Kaufman’s pitch. And while it’s easy to dismiss WWE’s chase for pop-culture attention as a case of misplaced priorities, many of wrestling’s most iconic moments involved celebrities. And the instances when wrestling has been at its coolest, most popular, and most socially acceptable? Think about who was involved: Kaufman, Mr. T, Mike Tyson, Jon Stewart. But wait, you say. Stewart was on just a couple of weeks ago. Exactly — it’s starting to feel like we’re back there again.

“You know it’s fake, right?”

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Sometimes radio stations call me to do interviews. It happens when wrestling is in the news — when wrestlers die or get arrested, or during the week of WrestleMania. It happens on slow news days on sports radio stations in cities that had vibrant wrestling territories back in the day. Lately, though, it’s been happening for another reason. People want to talk about why wrestling is popular again.

When I started writing for Deadspin, “mainstream” sports outlets wouldn’t cover pro wrestling at all. The most common comments were, “You know wrestling is fake, right?” and, “Why are you running this garbage?” By the time I started writing for Grantland, though, I could feel attitudes shifting. Wrestling articles were published in The New Yorker and The Atlantic, and a wrestling essay just made Best American Sports Writing.

Sports Illustrated and Rolling Stone have regular wrestling beats now. Deadspin’s wrestling writing these days is often republished from Jezebel and Kotaku — Gawker Media’s partner sites on women’s issues and gaming, respectively. The environment for wrestling writing is wide open and thriving.

Wrestling fans used to joke (or complain) that sports outlets cover wrestling only when somebody dies. For years, that was true. But now ESPN covers WWE events with the same interest it once reserved for wrestling tragedies, even if the network doesn’t report wins and losses as fact. Brock Lesnar showed up in Bristol to hype WrestleMania and SummerSlam this year, and SportsCenter broadcast live from the site of SummerSlam on the day of the event.

“There’s no doubt that we’re in a moment where wrestling is getting increased attention from mainstream outlets,” said Sports Illustrated media columnist Richard Deitsch when I emailed him this week. “I see it more as mainstream acceptance than a surge of popularity. The real reason behind ESPN covering the WWE is that it’s good for ESPN’s business. The WWE has a huge fan base of 12-50 year-olds and particularly … men who have discretionary income. ESPN wants those eyeballs the same way they want Fantasy football-playing eyeballs. The network already has gone down the rubicon when it comes to having actors and singers on its shows. Bringing in WWE people is no different.”

So why has the media executed such a dramatic turnaround in its regard of the squared circle? Some of it can surely be attributed to the impulse to follow what others are doing — one radio station thinks wrestling is popular again because another station covered it first. And many outlets appear happy to cover wrestling once they’re given the cover of others doing it before them and proving there’s an audience.

But is wrestling actually more popular now, or has the media just learned to accept sports entertainment for what it is? WWE’s numbers say that the growth is real. Contrary to some early fears (mine included), the WWE Network is earning more money at $9.99 a month than the old pay-per-view model was making at about $50 per show. According to their second-quarter earnings report, the WWE Network plus standard PPV revenue generated $131 million in the 12 months prior to June 30. Annual PPV revenue between 2003 and 2013 ranged from $70 million to $95 million. And thanks largely to the network, more people are watching the PPVs: According to Matthew Altman, WWE’s senior director of communications, WrestleMania 30 reached a million households in the U.S. for the first time (on WWE Network and pay-per-view combined), and WrestleMania 31 hit 1.6 million homes globally, which is WrestleMania’s biggest audience to date.1 According to Altman, average PPVs2 were typically seen in 300,000 to 400,000 homes prior to the network, and now each is seen in more than a million.

If there is a real bump, where is it coming from? Some of it is cyclical, to be sure. Fans who grew up in the ’80s and ’90s now have money to spend on wrestling, and have children to turn into a new generation of fans. There’s also a recurring technological trend, as wrestling’s high points have traditionally come at moments of television expansion — national broadcast TV in the ’50s, cable TV in the ’80s, massive cable expansion in the late ’90s (which meant enough space on the airwaves for multiple shows on competing channels). Now we have Internet streaming television, and the WWE Network is at the forefront of generating a new model of viewership.

The Triumph of Nerds

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It’s undeniable that nerdiness has transformed from a stigma into a badge of pride in today’s pop culture, where everything is a potential source of nerdiness. You don’t have to look hard to find NFL nerds, beer nerds, hip-hop nerds, or car nerds. Most of the perceived sources of nerd antipathy have become outlets for people to express their idiosyncratic commitment. And the Internet has made it easier than ever for nerds of all stripes to commune with like-minded people — and to realize that there are others in the world who share their fascinations and obsessions. Some bastions of nerdy subculture might still be filled with awkward teenagers, but now they’re sharing space with the rest of the breathing world. Avengers: Age of Ultron grossed $458 million domestically this year. Some 8.1 million people watched the Game of Thrones season finale. This is not the geekdom of yesteryear, and the stigma attached to wrestling fandom has diminished as it has with other traditionally nerdy subcultures.

About that stigma. There’s one line that wrestling fans have had to endure throughout their lives: “You know that stuff’s fake, don’t you?” It is, and obviously so. In The Squared Circle, I traced social awareness of wrestling’s inherent falsehood back to the 1910s. Fans weren’t always in on the lie — not all of them, anyway — and promoters tried hard to maintain the appearance of genuine competition, but the idea that most of the audience hasn’t always been aware of what they were watching is absurd, especially once television put the pantomime punches onscreen. The first national star of the TV era was Gorgeous George, a wonderful undersize buffoon whose manufactured despicableness in the 1940s and ’50s was so obvious that only a child couldn’t see that the entire enterprise was similarly contrived.

Years before, in 1934, a promoter named Jack Pfefer got squeezed out of his position in the New York wrestling scene, and so he went to the sports editor of the New York Daily Mirror and confessed that the whole endeavor was fake. Pfefer was famously open about the sport’s falsehood, once saying to A.J. Liebling, “An honest man can sell a fake diamond if he says it is a fake diamond, ain’t it?” Even if Vince Sr. had been mindful of the appearance of legitimacy in his dealings with Kaufman,3 his son would hew more closely to the Pfefer line than to his father’s.

As Vince McMahon Jr.’s WWF laid bare the pretense of the sport, the slur endured. “You know that stuff’s fake, don’t you?” became a jab at the idea that anyone could enjoy a product so manufactured. But then came reality television. Now it’s impossible — or untenable, at least — to revel in the Real Housewives and sneer at pro wrestling’s falsehoods. Wrestling staged contrived contests years before The Challenge, and it had the audience voting on competitors via cheers decades before you could text in votes on American Idol.

In the (real) sports world, great games are celebrated with lines like, “It couldn’t have been better if it had been scripted.” Well, pro wrestling specializes in endings that are too good to be true, and the mythmaking style from WWE promo packages has influenced the way the NFL, UFC, and almost every other professional sport promotes its talent. Which is all to say that big-time competitive sports have caught up with “sports entertainment.” Fifty years ago, Muhammad Ali modeled his public persona on Gorgeous George and became one of the most iconic athletes in history. Now executives across various sports and industries want to be Vince McMahon.

It’s Still Real to Me, Dammit

Wrestling’s current mainstream embrace isn’t due to some grand new accomplishment in WWE or the indie scene.4 It’s just that pop culture at large appears to have finally figured out what wrestling is about, and it’s getting the credit it has long deserved. Still, among non-fans, there persists a feeling that wrestling is something less than both a sport and an art form. It’s true that wrestling has never aspired to be high art, and it’s certainly different from professional football or Hollywood acting, but it’s not inferior. “Real” athletes, professional and otherwise, have found a home in pro wrestling since its inception, including onetime real grapplers like Gus Sonnenberg, Ernie Ladd, and Kurt Angle, none of whom seemed embarrassed by their work in the ring.5

The perception that wrestlers are just bodybuilders who’ve learned simple dance routines — a notion that the late-’80s WWF helped perpetuate — has been just about completely debunked, thanks to Brock Lesnar. When Lesnar, who had been an NCAA wrestling champion at the University of Minnesota before joining WWE, left pro wrestling in 2004, he was booed out of the ring for turning his back on the business. When he returned in 2012, fans welcomed him back because of all he’d accomplished in the intervening years. He tried out for the Minnesota Vikings with hardly any football experience and made a strong showing. When he didn’t make the NFL, he turned to MMA and in short order came to dominate the UFC’s heavyweight ranks, until a serious bout of diverticulitis cut his career short. By the time Lesnar reappeared in WWE, he carried the imprimatur of a real champion fighter. Every match that Lesnar has had since then has felt a little more real, either because of Lesnar’s unparalleled physicality or simply because sharing the ring with him lends prestige to his opponents. No one has to believe that John Cena could be a world-class MMA fighter for that transference to occur; fans just have to understand that the action in the ring is a legitimate, professional athletic feat.

(It must also be said that the evolving ring style in the modern era — away from the simplistic and drama-reliant “WWF style” and toward a rawer vision taken from the Territorial days and the contemporary indie scene — have also helped to make matches more convincing.)

Just as Lesnar’s foray into the UFC octagon helped the perception of the physical side of wrestling, so did Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson’s career in Hollywood help to buoy the acting side of WWE. It’s easy to watch pro wrestling and see only hammy machismo and overcooked emoting, but that underestimates the performers. What wrestlers do isn’t normal TV acting but rather a throwback to classical theater, when performers wore giant wooden masks to convey emotion to the back row — with booming WHOOOs and swooping roundhouse punches in place of the masks.

In the most recent period of pro wrestling’s mass appeal before this one, the late-’90s Attitude Era, the WWF star who took that back-row projection to soaring new heights was the Rock. Before wrestling, he was a backup defensive tackle at the University of Miami and tried to make it in the NFL, but eventually he ended up a wrestler, like his father and uncle before him. Rough as his early efforts were, he quickly developed into a timeless star, until, like Lesnar, he decamped for greener pastures. For the Rock, however, his goal was not a return to competitive sports but to a career in Hollywood, where his good looks and post-human physique quickly cast him as a new generation’s Arnold Schwarzenegger. Much like in his early wrestling days, his first few outings were uncertain, but eventually, by dint of discerning selection of roles, his commitment to the craft, and amazing PR, he developed into a movie star.

By adapting his in-ring bombast to the big screen, the Rock proved that wrestlers were talented actors in their own right. When he returned to WWE in 2011, the Rock brought with him not only that greater cachet but also a sea of action-flick fans who realized that there wasn’t much difference between an onscreen car crash and an in-ring highspot.

But the Rock’s success where others, like Hulk Hogan, had failed proved that wrestling acting is a totally different animal from Hollywood acting. Just watch when Hollywood stars agree to be worked into WWE story lines to promote new movies — they look ridiculous, corny, and lost. If in-ring acting were a lesser art, the Hollywood pros would be able to adapt, but instead they’re adrift. “Hollywood acting” and pro wrestling acting are different beasts, but one is not inherently inferior to the other. Nor is the athleticism found in wrestling lesser than the athleticism in “real” sports. What the Rock and Lesnar did was bridge those divides.

No Archetype

The Hollywood crossovers that work best occur when the visiting stars are legitimate wrestling fans who have internalized the style at a young age. Main eventers like Mr. T, throwaway hosts like Seth Green, timeless stars like Andy Kaufman — they were successful because they knew exactly what they were getting into.

Last month at SummerSlam, two different celebrities took part in matches — longtime wrestling fan Stephen Amell (who plays the Green Arrow on television) performed capably in a tag match. And in the semi-main event, Jon Stewart, recently retired from The Daily Show, intervened in the closing moments to hit John Cena with a steel chair and ensure victory for Seth Rollins. The media attention garnered by Stewart’s inclusion was enough to justify the disappointment many fans felt in the moment. And the next night on Raw, when Stewart got his comeuppance (an Attitude Adjustment) about 50 feet in front of me, the entire angle was vindicated in a moment of Kaufmanesque shock.



My initial response mistook the SummerSlam schmoz as a futile attempt at goosing WWE’s ratings, but after Monday night, it was clear that something else was afoot. Stewart wasn’t playing a mere Raw guest host. He was playing a pro wrestler. It doesn’t demean the craft to say that any more than it did to speak of Kaufman that way — or than it does to acknowledge that Bobby Heenan and Paul Heyman have been as integral to the product as any grappler.

The other significant aspect of Stewart’s appearance is that he’s an avowed fan — he makes it incrementally cooler to be a wrestling fan too. The same can be seen around the media world, with figures like Bill Simmons joining the announcer’s table on Raw, Jonathan Coachman making a Lesnar-like leap from WWE announcer to SportsCenter anchor, and director Max Landis making this exceptional 24-minute explanation of the form called “Wrestling Isn’t Wrestling”:



If the perception of wrestling is changing, it’s largely thanks to people like them. “I think that’s due to the increasing number of bloggers, podcasters and people in the sports media business who are so public about their fandom,” said Deitsch. “Whatever stereotypes about who is a pro wrestling fan I think have been blown up. There is no archetype.”

There’s no more ignoring the talents of the wrestlers. There’s no more stigma about nerdiness in general or wrestling in particular. There’s no question about whether or not pro wrestling is fake. Just like Jack Pfefer said, it’s a fake diamond. And as long as you know the deal, there’s no shame in selling — or buying — a fake diamond.

Andy Kaufman never thought of himself as a comedian. “I’ve never told a joke in my life,” he said. But he wasn’t ashamed to be a wrestler. After he was piledriven by Lawler, Kaufman was interviewed in his hospital bed. “I always thought wrestling wasn’t real,” he said, “but apparently, I guess at least this one was.”

It wasn’t. The thing people miss about Kaufman’s turn as a wrestling villain was that he wasn’t working on a meta level or deconstructing the art form. He wasn’t playing a comedy routine in the midst of a wrestling show. It wasn’t performance art.

He was being a pro wrestler, full stop. In a different way, so was Stewart. And the Rock will be, too, when he makes his next comeback. And so is Lesnar every time he steps in the ring. They’re all performing in different ways — doing things that a non-wrestling audience doesn’t always understand and that other actors and athletes can’t do. And it all adds up to an incredible show. That’s what’s great about wrestling. And that’s why wrestling has always deserved to be so popular. Maybe it seems so popular now because people are finally starting to figure that out.

  

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123. "kaufman was legit one of the greatest heels of all time"
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125. "Xavier Woods plays the pink panther theme on trombone tonight"
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He does this when big enough sneaks up on Darren young outside the ring.

Must see tv.

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126. "RE: Xavier Woods plays the pink panther theme on trombone tonight"
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I laughed...Hard......They should just let New Day hold those belts for the next year. They r the best thing going right now.....

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127. "Any guesses to Reigns and Ambrose's partner at NOC?"
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I'm guessing Rock or Daniel Bryan.

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128. "rowan?"
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130. "Is he near ready to return?"
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I think I read it would be later in the year that he was ready but I'm usually wrong.

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133. "i hope not..unless he's gonna turn on the shield "
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132. "knowing them they probably haven't picked yet."
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134. "Sandow in a Seth Rollins wig/flak suit."
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Or, fuck it. Axel for real.

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138. "I like Keller's idea to put Axel in the wyatt family. "
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135. "I want that Baron Corbin rumor to be true. "
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He's green as fuck but he's got enough going for him that I still enjoy watching him despite his limitations.

He was the first person I thought of but u always figured he's not due to debut until after RR or mania and I was kind of excited when I saw the rumor. He makes perfect sense as an answer to Bob's Big Boy Strauma, at least from a character perspective. I'm certain I'm alone in wanting him for this though and I get why.

I think Rock is highly likely, or the other Uso. I read Jericho is a possibility and I couldn't be l3ss enthusiastic about that. Ditto Eric Rowan.

Bryan would be dope but wouldn't make a lick of sense as an answer to Braun.

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136. "Corbin is just incredibly boring to me"
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Standard tall guy without much ability, nothing special on the mic or in the ring.

The fact that people who love NXT and get pumped for everyone in NXT don't even care about him says a lot.

  

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137. "I don't think he translates well to the general NXT style"
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He's the opposite of the general NXT model, so it's saying very little that they've cooled off on him. his countdown gimmick had him over for a good stretch but that kind of gimmick only goes so far no matter what.

I think he'll work much better on the main roster and a situation where he can play the enforcer for a baby face is a good role for him.

He could wind up a significant player just as easily as he could fizzle out, but I think he needs a little more of the on the job experience the main roster can give him. He's a project and I don't think more time in NXT will help him much. His look, size, presence (yes, I'd argue that that's a thing) and work rate make him a better bet for the main roster even as a project.

I won't be shocked if he does pan out, but his chances of survival are better with the main roster.

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139. "Yea NXT isn't the spot for the big monster "
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They want to see fun gimmicks and indy style wrestling at NXT, he likely is better for the main roster.

Even there though to me he just is like any other generic big man they've had through the years. Nothing seems special about him to me, but I've also never been that into guys who get by just on being big.

  

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140. "if he was awesome on the mic I could see it"
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but he's pretty blah all around. i don't even think he's physically imposing enough to pull off the monster role.

  

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141. "Not really a monster, just sort of a badass enforcer"
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He doesn't need to talk right away and he doesn't need to stand there and look menacing.

He just needs to be able to convincingly kick ass to protect his friends for a while as he develops.

To be clear, I'm saying I think he'll be pretty good within the context of playing a specific role to introduce him to Raw and Smackdown, not advocating him for a big push as the new unstoppable monster.

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142. "fair enough, I just can't see him making any role interesting"
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but I've been wrong before. I wasn't always a Big E fan.

  

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143. "So, basically Roman Reigns?"
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144. "Three years ago? Sure. "
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Reigns is fine as a singles wrestler, or at least was until Vince's pubescent sensibilities took over the writing and booking of his character.

Further, he's more than held up his end in his matches with Orton, Bryan, and Lesnar this past year, not to mention the fatal four way that actually worked out very well for a match that's usually a complete clusterfuck. They carried those matches but he delivered on his end. His on screen relationship with Dean works very well despite the booking, which is shitty across the board.

He's not as far along as he perhaps should be at this point, but let's stop pretending he hasn't improved considerably since he debuted.

Corbin would be much more like Reigns was when the Shield debuted, not Reigns today.

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146. "I'm ok if Reigns gets the title at this point"
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I didn't want him to win it at Mania, they pushed him along too fast especially after his injury.

But he has done what we wanted him to do, had feuds with other people, won some matches, lost some matches and improved.

If he feuded with Rollins to finish out the year and won the belt at Survivor Series or Rumble I'd be ok with that.

  

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147. "I still can't believe how badly they fucked up his push"
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The match with Brock holds up like a motherfucker and has a big fight feel. It's easy to give Brock all the credit for that but Reigns sold like like a champ, engaging with facial expressions and body language in ways he'll never get credit for from a large portion of the smark/indy spot monkey crowd.

The shit with Dean at Payback? That whole "well, there's no one left but us. loser buys the beers?"

If you're a man who has friends you consider brothers and can't relate to that moment, you're a soulless creature if ever there was one.

He's actually had some quality moments this year but the shitty WWE booking and lazy storytelling style over power those in a big way. You SHOULD, at this point, be at a place where you can't wait to see Reigns win, not in a place where you wouldn't mind, yet somehow Vince took the attributes that made him seem special and sucked the whole "Big Homie" aura out of him and here we are.

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148. "he forever gets props for making that Big Show match interesting"
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Last Man Standing between those two could've been a disaster

  

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150. "yep. actually, when you look at all the ppv matches this year I'm betti..."
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top....6. Top 6 in terms of overall match quality for wwe wrestlers.

It sounds absurd but there's a conversation there. After Seth, Brock Cesaro, Cena, Owens (largely with Cena)...I struggle to find a guy who has a more consistent ppv record in terms of quality. I'm a Shaemus mark because he's an impressive hoss from bell to bell (his character is another story, let's be clear), so he might have a claim there.

Reigns should be big money but somehow he's become the new Lex Luger. It'd be easier to live with his all punch offense if they took the micromanagement off of his character

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151. "I consider myself a big fan of Reigns..."
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I do still think it was too early for him to have taken the title at Mania, and I would like to see a little more versatility in his in-ring work but it's all sad considering the disastrous Rumble booking*. I agree with what's been said already - his match with Brock was epic, he had great matches against Big Show, Bryan, I'm very much enjoying the current Wyatts feud - he's working well.

Those boos aren't stopping though.

They're maybe lighting up a little but that may be attributed to peoples' love for Ambrose at this stage. It may be lazy, but I'd pull the plug and turn Reigns heel at this point. Can't really see him winning the fans over definitively so I'd reset him and tell the stories you want to. I'm sure in time, he'll win people back.

*Interesting how badly the last two Rumble bookings have gone - they should award the 2016 win to a heel so at least they get the right kind of boos this time.

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149. "Yea the issue is trying to make him appeal to kids"
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They want him to be the next Cena, so we got all these stupid sufferin sucotash interviews.

God forbid he was just a cool bad ass

  

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152. "So, does Rollins end the night with 2 belts, 1 belt, or zero?"
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153. "RE: So, does Rollins end the night with 2 belts, 1 belt, or zero?"
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>

Good news...it doesn't seem obvious either way.

Rollins is awesome as hell even though he has not been booked great. Like most indy cats, he fixes it all in the ring.

He was on wrestling god mode at Summerfest.

I think he keeps the US belt via cheating and then having a WCW finish of some kind with him losing to Sting. But you know we can't have Sting walking around as champ. The easy fix is briefcase shenanigans. But I hope like hell we don't see Sheamus, but they have to figure out how to get that briefcase away from him cuz he's ICE COLD. I wonder if he's still hella cool with Haitch from their 'workout buddy' days?

I'm gonna watch NOC as a secondary view to SEA vs GB even though I'm seeing GB throwing them down a flight of stairs and earning Chancellor the rest of the money he wants.

  

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154. "Smart business? He holds on to both in ruthless fashion"
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The one guy I come back to with him is Edge. Edge could do comedy and chicken shit really w3ll, but he had this extra level of anger (remember 'psycho' Edge) and ruthlessness that he could tap into when the time was right.

Seth needs to throw his aggression into overdrive and have convincing victories over both tonight.

Do it in a despicable, yet mostly legal way. Holding onto the ropes, maybe a figure four on the ring post, eye pokes, just have him take every liberty he can to keep those titles.

Since he's currently the workhorse, the swiveling whiner needs to fucking graduate to beast mode. We've already seen him do feats of strength nobody would expect from him. We know he can go. Give him some clean wins in dirty, dastardly fashion, ramp up his aggression, spite, and selfishness, and give us a true prime time heel.

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156. "The other side.."
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They COULD start making him a face. White Pants Summerfest Rollins could carry the top of cards with absurdly good matches forever. Maybe they saw that. And you know they have to at least kinda think of how their world was so easy when The Shield was a thing. The random PPVs basically booked themselves. Shield vs 3 folks = ballin.

Jimaveli

>The one guy I come back to with him is Edge. Edge could do
>comedy and chicken shit really w3ll, but he had this extra
>level of anger (remember 'psycho' Edge) and ruthlessness that
>he could tap into when the time was right.
>
>Seth needs to throw his aggression into overdrive and have
>convincing victories over both tonight.
>
>Do it in a despicable, yet mostly legal way. Holding onto the
>ropes, maybe a figure four on the ring post, eye pokes, just
>have him take every liberty he can to keep those titles.
>
>Since he's currently the workhorse, the swiveling whiner
>needs to fucking graduate to beast mode. We've already seen
>him do feats of strength nobody would expect from him. We know
>he can go. Give him some clean wins in dirty, dastardly
>fashion, ramp up his aggression, spite, and selfishness, and
>give us a true prime time heel.

  

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157. "a face turn needs much more booking IMO. That said..... "
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The Shield was the best, most refreshing new thing they've has since....fuck... Brock? Rapper Cena? I dunno. it goes back pretty far though.

Now, if I REALLY wanted to work the fantasy book, I'd plant serious seeds for a Rollins face turn in the Cena match and use a generic third partner in a guy like Jericho or Kane for the Shield.

Then I'd have The Wyatt Family obliterate whoever the third guy was on his way to the ring, again leaving Reigns and Dean alone to get beat down.

Seth makes the save, looks down at Reigns and Dean and just bounces.

Finish the night with Sting and Rollins. Let Sting have a bit of his Crow mystique in the match while ultimately losing to Seth. Sting offers a hand and Seth accepts.

Hunter, Kane, and Show attempt a beat down to both guys. Sheamus cashes in on Seth, and a bigger beat down ensues. Sting grabs a chair to even things up a bit, then the screen goes black. The Wyatts Show up and start the beating before Dean and Reigns make the save WITHOUT FUCKING MUSIC.

Let everyone go at it for about a minute before Baron Corbin's music hits. The ring parts into two halves, Corbin comes down, stands in the middle, gets in Hunters face, gets in Brays face, gets in Braun's face before turning like he's going to attack the Shield/Sting....before turning and mollywhooping Braun. The faces clear the ring, Corbin and Ambrose lock eyes, hug, and Reigns does the Shield fist, followed by Dean and Corbin. They all look at Seth, who looks at them and mouths something along the lines of "I'm sorry. What did I do?" before rolling out of the ring.

Tomorrow night the Authority/Wyatt "Ministry" or whatever the fuck the y call it delivers a promo about power, how to get it, and what it takes to keep it. Bray says some shit about there being time enough for titles but for the time being, power is what he craves. Hunter echos that sentiment and does some speaking for Sheamus. So we'd get a new faction of Sheamus as champ with the Wyatt's as his enforcers. Kane and Show get unceremoniously dismissed in the process.

Far as Seth, we see him come out and apologize to The Shield for what he did and talks about how what he did was unforgivable and how grateful he was that they did what they did.

the next month would follow Seth going it alone without trying to patch things up with The Shield as the Shield guys reach out. I'd take some time to map things out until Survivor Series, where we'd get the full blown Shield reunion, albeit with Corbin added to the mix. We'd get explanations to his presence, ideally with him being an old friend of Dean's.

There's no downside to this angle. Obviously the gaps would have to be filled with Cena, Sting and what have you, but it elevates everyone in a big way, keeps Reigns protected in the Shield dynamic, Corbin gets a big time introduction and a role he's well suited to given his limitations that WOULD help add some depth and intrigue to this whole mix.

The whole thing would be hotshot like crazy but by the end of the night we'd see the entire main event landscape altered in huge ways, we'd get the Shield back, the Wyatt's would breathe serious life into a stale ass Authority story that shows no time of going away soon, and there'd be a ton of relatively fresh stories to tell over the next two months. We'd also get a reason to watch SS for once, that is if they did it correctly.

That's my fantasy book for the night.

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158. "RE: a face turn needs much more booking IMO. That said..... "
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Awesome read. And I like the idea of slamming some stuff together to make folks matter/stronger. And that's even with this whole plan having a little WCW to it. A 'real' heel group with actually threatening folks would be cool. And the matches would be the best.

>The Shield was the best, most refreshing new thing they've
>has since....fuck... Brock? Rapper Cena? I dunno. it goes back
>pretty far though.
>
>Now, if I REALLY wanted to work the fantasy book, I'd plant
>serious seeds for a Rollins face turn in the Cena match and
>use a generic third partner in a guy like Jericho or Kane for
>the Shield.
>
>Then I'd have The Wyatt Family obliterate whoever the third
>guy was on his way to the ring, again leaving Reigns and Dean
>alone to get beat down.
>
>Seth makes the save, looks down at Reigns and Dean and just
>bounces.
>
>Finish the night with Sting and Rollins. Let Sting have a bit
>of his Crow mystique in the match while ultimately losing to
>Seth. Sting offers a hand and Seth accepts.
>
>Hunter, Kane, and Show attempt a beat down to both guys.
>Sheamus cashes in on Seth, and a bigger beat down ensues.
>Sting grabs a chair to even things up a bit, then the screen
>goes black. The Wyatts Show up and start the beating before
>Dean and Reigns make the save WITHOUT FUCKING MUSIC.
>
>Let everyone go at it for about a minute before Baron Corbin's
>music hits. The ring parts into two halves, Corbin comes down,
>stands in the middle, gets in Hunters face, gets in Brays
>face, gets in Braun's face before turning like he's going to
>attack the Shield/Sting....before turning and mollywhooping
>Braun. The faces clear the ring, Corbin and Ambrose lock eyes,
>hug, and Reigns does the Shield fist, followed by Dean and
>Corbin. They all look at Seth, who looks at them and mouths
>something along the lines of "I'm sorry. What did I do?"
>before rolling out of the ring.
>
>Tomorrow night the Authority/Wyatt "Ministry" or whatever the
>fuck the y call it delivers a promo about power, how to get
>it, and what it takes to keep it. Bray says some shit about
>there being time enough for titles but for the time being,
>power is what he craves. Hunter echos that sentiment and does
>some speaking for Sheamus. So we'd get a new faction of
>Sheamus as champ with the Wyatt's as his enforcers. Kane and
>Show get unceremoniously dismissed in the process.
>
>Far as Seth, we see him come out and apologize to The Shield
>for what he did and talks about how what he did was
>unforgivable and how grateful he was that they did what they
>did.
>
>the next month would follow Seth going it alone without trying
>to patch things up with The Shield as the Shield guys reach
>out. I'd take some time to map things out until Survivor
>Series, where we'd get the full blown Shield reunion, albeit
>with Corbin added to the mix. We'd get explanations to his
>presence, ideally with him being an old friend of Dean's.
>
>There's no downside to this angle. Obviously the gaps would
>have to be filled with Cena, Sting and what have you, but it
>elevates everyone in a big way, keeps Reigns protected in the
>Shield dynamic, Corbin gets a big time introduction and a
>role he's well suited to given his limitations that WOULD help
>add some depth and intrigue to this whole mix.
>
>The whole thing would be hotshot like crazy but by the end of
>the night we'd see the entire main event landscape altered in
>huge ways, we'd get the Shield back, the Wyatt's would breathe
>serious life into a stale ass Authority story that shows no
>time of going away soon, and there'd be a ton of relatively
>fresh stories to tell over the next two months. We'd also get
>a reason to watch SS for once, that is if they did it
>correctly.
>
>That's my fantasy book for the night.

  

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211. "Yeah it definitely would have crammed a month of storytelling into one n..."
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In a situation like that where you stuff so much into a single show it would work by playing out the details like a serialized tv show, where they peel back the layers a bit each week to reveal the who/what/why/when/where of it all.

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155. "Cena will get his win back."
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The Us title went from useless to the most entertaining thing on Raw to useless again in a matter of months. Seth can always say he didn't give a shit cause he has the real title or had 2 matches. I'm a lot less sure about the WWE title, but I think he'll retain the title in a weasely way that pisses off HHH who then challenges him later. I think they've been teasing Sheamus' cash-in too much. Don't think they'll pull the trigger. But they could go with a one secone Sting title win followed by the cash-in. again, 2 matches gives Seth an out. I wouldn't be surprised if he got screwed either, probably in a lame (kane) way too.

  

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159. "I hope they give KO a LOOOOONG title run n/m"
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161. "RE: I hope they give KO a LOOOOONG title run n/m"
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Same. He could be a great fighting champ.Really like the ending of that match, too.

  

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182. "Didn't enjoy the match but the love that he's champ!"
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160. "Um, Taker-Brock in the cell next month?"
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I want to watch, but I also don't want to watch the Undertaker die on my TV.

  

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163. "Atleast we'll end the feud now and not wait til Mania"
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181. "How out of the blue was that?!!?"
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Don't know where they're going with that HIAC match - Brock has literally destroyed Undertaker's legacy but it looks like they've found one more way to humiliate him against Brock.

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162. "Xavier Woods has Rufio hair"
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Sometimes I don't feel worthy of New Day. They're so far and away the best thing going, it's insane.

  

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164. "Why do idiots from the crowd continue to run up on Reigns?"
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165. "Been happening a ton recently, not just to Reigns"
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Don't know why so many as of late. Used to be a once a year thing maybe.

  

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168. "RE: Why do idiots from the crowd continue to run up on Reigns?"
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Yeah, it's odd. I did get a good laugh at Wyatt asking Reigns and Ambrose if that was their third guy, though.

  

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188. "that dude stood with them like he was the third man! lol"
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189. "He was dressed like a Shield member too, he had that planned"
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166. "Jericho makes 0 Kayfabe sense as the partner"
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Why get a guy who lost a feud to Wyatt and he has proven himself better than?

Obviously it was for the pop, but story line it's a dumb pick.

  

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167. "agreed, but if we get a Jericho-Ambrose feud I'll gladly forget it"
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I remember hoping they would feud a few years ago when Jericho came back and I think feuded with Fandango. SMH.

But if we get heel Jericho and a feud with Ambrose? Could be gold.

  

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183. "Thumbs up!"
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169. "even if you hate Corbin, you have to admit he'd have been a better pick"
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This is so underwhelming it ruined all my anticipation for the rest of the night.

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170. "Does Sting owe the IRS or something?"
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why did he come to WWE just to get chumped out every time he wrestles?




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171. "Sting should never wrestle again. what a fucking debacle. "
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Seth is so far above this bullshit it's infuriating.

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172. "This is a weird ass finish that makes ZERO sense. "
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What a complete clusterfuck.
They should be ashamed of this farce of a main event. Just terrible.

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173. "OMG!! OMG!!! IT'S KANE!!!! THE BIG RED MACHINE IS HERE!!!"
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lol @ hackeneyed-ass cole trying to put over this hot garbage.

why even lightweight tune in to wrestling anymore?

  

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175. "idk how yall watch Raw/PPVs anymore."
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i tried to get back into it but it's just bad. really really bad. i gave it an honest shot for about 20 months. i die a bit inside every time i see kane or big show.

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190. "i forgot i was even still a network subscriber."
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need to cancel that shit. hell, i think they give it away for free most months anyway.

was listening to scott hall on austin's podcast. pretty incredible insight on getting over, drawing heat, etc. basically traditional stuff that's been lost in today's program, and supposedly what guys aren't allowed to do anymore. no, i ain't saying bring kayfabe back.

while i agree the old-timers don't belong in the ring anymore, vince would benefit having a guy like hall book the territory and/or be on the creative side.

  

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176. "lol"
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>lol @ hackeneyed-ass cole trying to put over this hot
>garbage.
>
>why even lightweight tune in to wrestling anymore?

  

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174. "Out of nowhere, that show went off the rails in the last 10 minutes"
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at some point they have to move on from the old guys. Just cold turkey "F it"...Taker, Sting, Kane, Big Show...it's a wrap boys. (edit: and face it, Chris "The Cool Dad" Jericho has lost a step too. Pull the plug.)

Seth Rollins is the best pure in ring performer since Shawn Michaels. It's a shame he had to be involved in that match in his prime.

  

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177. "You ain't lying..."
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>at some point they have to move on from the old guys. Just
>cold turkey "F it"...Taker, Sting, Kane, Big Show...it's a
>wrap boys. (edit: and face it, Chris "The Cool Dad" Jericho
>has lost a step too. Pull the plug.)
>
>Seth Rollins is the best pure in ring performer since Shawn
>Michaels. It's a shame he had to be involved in that match in
>his prime.

And a big chunk of the indies are in WWE now. There's no reason for Rollins to be in the ring with folks who can't straight up go. And if they have any access to NJPW (they got Liger for NXT recently and clearly they're recruiting), things are even more inexcusable.

  

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178. "Only good thing about Kane is it buys Rollins a few more months of wins"
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Let him get some clean wins over Kane on the next 2 or 3 PPVs, lose at the Rumble to Reigns and call it a great run

  

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179. "pretty much."
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>at some point they have to move on from the old guys. Just
>cold turkey "F it"...Taker, Sting, Kane, Big Show...it's a
>wrap boys. (edit: and face it, Chris "The Cool Dad" Jericho
>has lost a step too. Pull the plug.)
>
>Seth Rollins is the best pure in ring performer since Shawn
>Michaels. It's a shame he had to be involved in that match in
>his prime.

  

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180. "I'm starting to wonder if they just plain don't realize what they have i..."
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The HBK comparisons have been coming on for a minute now, and that's about as high a compliment as a wrestler can get when we're talking about a guys ring work.

It's fucking absurd what they're doing with him. They don't have another Rock, but they DO have another Michaels and they should be elevating him in a big way right now.

They also have their Punk replacement in Owens and a guy who should have been another Piper/Pilman/Austin hybrid by now in Ambrose, but that's another story.

These guys have no fucking clue how much talent they have on this roster.

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184. "Apparently the Sting injury is legit and serious (short swipe)"
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Hope he'll be ok.

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/More_on_Sting_s_WWE_Night_of_Champions_Injury.html

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185. "I wondered about that bump"
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seemed like a bump a 56 year old man who works once a year should not take.

  

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186. "The move in itself is insane..."
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I don't know how anyone can protect themselves against it.

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187. "Hope he's ok, but GOOD. Let this be a lesson learne to everyone. . "
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Stop hot shotting with old retirees from yesterday.

I hope Brock/Taker III at HIAC is the last time we see Taker wrestle. No more of these guys. Let this generation work develop, and for crying out loud, become something that doesn't NEED to bring in ex Monday Night War and Ruthless Aggression retirees. I can only hope Hunters back goes out, Kanes neck gets fucked up, and Shows knees go out, not because I wish ill on these guys but because it's crystal fucking clear that that's is what's going to take to get vince to stop relying so heavily on these guys.

The best part about the Hogan tape was that it ensured we'd never have to see him in a WWE ring again. I'm all for these guys getting a pay day but jesus h, their time is done and while they eat up big main events the youngsters aren't getting the attention and platform they need to improve their stature. This shot is starting to hit WCW status.

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191. "Can I bet a million dollars on tonight's main event somewhere?"
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I put it all on Demon Kane costing Rollins the match and next week not knowing what Rollins is talking about.

I hate this bi polar story already.

  

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192. "ughhhhh"
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194. "The only force more powerful than Demon Kane"
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John Cena's no selling of a perfect frog splash.

  

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196. "RE: The only force more powerful than Demon Kane"
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>John Cena's no selling of a perfect frog splash.


http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6899367

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197. "RE: The only force more powerful than Demon Kane"
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>John Cena's no selling of a perfect frog splash.


http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6899367

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200. "?"
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So you started this post about wanting to get back into wrestling

A short time later you are reminding me wrestling isn't real when I discuss the show combining 2 of my least favorite gimmicks.

K

  

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206. "I just think that the video is funny"
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and the Cena part of it epitomizes the no-sell that you mentioned. I hate the fact that, short of a 50 megaton bomb dropped on his head, he ends up shaking it off and winning. Every time. Couldn't stand it with Hogan either.

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207. "He also has 3 clean wins in about 5 weeks over the world champ"
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Which is ridiculous

  

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193. "If New Day wasn't on my TV, I don't know if it'd be watchable"
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Big E is killing me right now. Shit, he could make a great manager too. And I love that Woods has a piece of the table in an specimen/evidence bag.

  

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199. "Really enjoying the Reigns&Ambrose/Wyatts feud too though."
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It's been good from the beginning in my opinion.

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195. "They know we've seen under the ring right?"
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They do this under the ring shit and like we know there's just a bunch of tables and ladders down there, not hell right?

  

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202. "but smoke came up this time."
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>They do this under the ring shit and like we know there's
>just a bunch of tables and ladders down there, not hell
>right?

  

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198. "Lucha Underground Season 2 is a GO!"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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201. "So WHAT was the point of Y2J?"
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____________________

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203. "to pop a crowd and get Y2J chants"
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That's it.

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204. "I think they are planting the seed for Ambrose vs Jericho"
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End of the match and Ambrose post-match interview hinted at that.

  

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205. "down the line, sure, but it had zero place in this story"
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Jericho is still expected to work a house show only schedule.

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208. "Good interview"
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http://www.wwe.com/inside/sting-interviewed-about-night-of-champions-injuries-27958909


Always a favorite but time to hang it up now. Like that he gave a lot of respect to Rollins.

  

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209. "RE: Good interview"
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Really glad to read that he's doing ok.

I hear what people are saying about Sting giving it up now but I'd really like to see him in one more match before he hangs it up - I think he deserves a great big match win so that would be a nice send-off.

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210. "Any Network subscribers watch 'Table for 3' with New Day?"
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That's a good watch.

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212. "Well Big Show's career is surely over."
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Where in the blue blazes does he go from there?!

I appreciate they want Brock to be a monster but no selling 3 chokeslams is a bad idea to me. With a good showing, Show could have used this to move a little upwards but...

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213. "Big Show is Big Show"
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What they do with him doesn't matter at all.

Nobody believes in him because his entire career has been a non stop flip flop of heel/face turns and being weak followed by reminding us he is a monster.

This is just 1 more page in it. They can use the next 3 months to make him undefeated and a monster champ and I'll have no interest, or they can let him do what he does now and I'll have no interest. 1 match doesn't change any of it.

  

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216. "I mostly agree with you..."
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But even in the last year, his KO Punch (sigh!) still knocks people out at least. His chokeslam still had value in it. I do think if he had been allowed to accomplish more in that match, people would've respected the effort more than anything.

What was Lillian Garcia even thinking when she said "Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for The Big Show" like she expected them to applaud or something!?

After being belly-to-phuckin-belly suplexed, germanned four times and mauled like that?!

I gotta say, I love what they've done with Brock but it seems like they've dented careers in building him up: Cena @ SummerFest, Taker's streak and subsequent SummerFest match...

I'm almost nervous about what element of Taker's legacy Brock will tear from him at HITC. You've already taken everything Brock: the streak, you made him TAP, you made him steal a super dirty and cheap win which hurt his career more in my eyes, he collapses before he gets to the curtain... what's next?!

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219. "I mean Brock destroyed him at the Rumble in 2014"
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This isn't new, they make him look terrible all the time and pretend they don't

  

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214. "they killed me tryna build him in 2 weeks after burying him for years"
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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

  

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217. "Agreed. It looked almost desperate."
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215. "we are not that lucky unfortunately"
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show and kane shouldve been retired 5 years ago.

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218. "RE: we are not that lucky unfortunately"
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I thought that was the consensus but did you hear the pop when Kane came out during the cage match?! Sounded pretty good.

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220. "Let's talk NXT Ironman"
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- Props to not feeling the need to call it an Ironwoman, Ironlady, Irondiva or Ironthot Match or add a Bra & Panties stip.

- The build has been superb so far.. I'm genuinely invested and semi-expecting a MOTY candidate. I care more about this match than anything so far on the main roster's HIAC card.

- In fact, a surprising number of my MOTY candidates this year have been from NXT Women's wrestling.

- I don't think I mind who wins, but I'd probably lean to Bayley and I'm assuming it will be since Sasha's starting in the main roster these days. Both deserve the main event spot though - Sasha's turning into the most complete women's wrestler since Lita IMHO.

- THERE ARE ENTERTAINING TIMES AHEAD

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221. "It's amazing what happens when you let women be wrestlers and not "jealo..."
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>- In fact, a surprising number of my MOTY candidates this year
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222. "I'm actually a little disappointed it's NOT being called Ironwoman"
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The important part is Iron, so call it what it is. Two women in a long ass battle. If Iron was followed by another stupid term (like Diva) I'd be against it, but I actually watched the promo and thought "All that love for women and you still have to refer to it as Ironman? You keep saying it's the first of its kind and you don't even give it a new name?"

really looking forward to this match though.

  

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223. "Matter of taste, I guess."
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For some reason the idea of explicitly calling it Ironwoman would make me feel like someone was lowkey implying "Well, it's not QUITE as tough as for the men..."

But I can see the other side too... like you said, at least they've not crow-barred Diva in there.

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224. "Ironwoman sounds both right and condescending at the same time"
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I'm torn on what would be better.

I see the side of the coin saying you call it an Ironwoman match just like you say Mailwoman if it's a woman delivering your mail.

But something about it also makes it sound 2nd rate when you say ironwoman (patriarchy right?). It's likely just an entire life of women's wrestling being 2nd rate in the WWE that gives me that feeling though and not anything to do with the actual name.

  

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225. "Iron Woman is very condescending. "
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Ironman, imo, is more of brand name for endurance than a gender name. I think Ironman works.

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226. "Well put"
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Ironman is an established term that has nothing to do with sex.

I think calling it Ironwoman and making it 30 minutes is an extra step to making it condescending too since it's half the length of the men's matches.

  

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229. "I get that, I just thought given the context it felt right"
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They sometimes refer to the matches as "Divas matches" but they've made sure to call it the women's championship and go out of their way to show as much love as possible. I believe they also said "Ironwoman" the first time they talked about it, so it felt like a deliberate change to go back to Ironman. As if it wouldn't sell otherwise.

It just felt a little weird. It didn't make me cringe like half of the women's booking does.

  

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227. "ironwoman doesnt roll off the tongue. simple as."
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ppl too conditioned to ironman.

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228. "Write it down. Jason Jordan will be the next big time white meat babyfac..."
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If Vince really wants an heir to Cena, JJ is the man for the job. This dude is as All American as it gets.

It's not just his his look or size or ring style, all of which seem tailor made for Vince's preferences, but he's got a certain ability to "fire up" in his matches in a way that clearly makes him special. He doesn't ooze charisma but he has this point in his matches where he gets this fire and you just can't wait for him to make that comeback or hit that spear.

The RAW crowds are gonna love this guy. Even the smarks will get behind him.

Mark my words. Bookmark this shit. I've seen enough. He'll have a goddamned rocket on his back within six months of hitting the main roster.


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230. "He's not white so probably not."
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But he may be lite enough to get Vince hard.

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231. "lol I guarantee you Vince would jump at a black champion"
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"White meat" doesn't mean "white", it just means a clean cut guy who will appeal across the board, though obviously there's still a stigma attached to the "all American" label whereby people simply think of a clean cut white male.

He wants white meat & potatoes, ma & pa kent more than anything else in his Face Of The Company and this kid has that quality in droves.

Vinces problem is just plain doesn't know how to push most black guys without marginalizing them as Black Guys. This is especially true if their "brand" of blackness as people skews a little hood or country.

I think JJ has that middle America element that cuts across color lines and stereotypes and Vince will pounce on it.

Yeah i agree that being black is generally a handicap in the WWE, but there's a legit argument to be made for the true handicap being whether or not Vince "gets" a guy or not and I think Vince will see nothing but dollar signs in JJ and give him a quality push.

I just have a feeling about this dude.

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232. "Apollo seems to be the black guy everyone thinks will make it to the top"
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He's so early in his career that it's impossible to predict obviously, but the love for him is very strong.

Jason Jordan reminds me of Shelton Benjamin, down to the same gimmick pretty much, and I think he'll be treated that way. Benjamin also had a ton of what it takes to make it but never got the shot, I don't think they will view Jordan as the next Cena.

  

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233. "I know what you meant by white meat"
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I was just saying that his not being white will probably keep him from being on those 7-11 Cups and Marine sequels.

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234. "Shows like Breaking Ground are why the Network exists"
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Looking forward to the whole series, that kind of stuff is what I want to see from WWE.

Also Whoof at things being so bad this post hasn't been upped in 2.5 weeks even with a PPV tonight.

  

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235. "RE: Shows like Breaking Ground are why the Network exists"
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>Looking forward to the whole series, that kind of stuff is
>what I want to see from WWE.
>
>Also Whoof at things being so bad this post hasn't been upped
>in 2.5 weeks even with a PPV tonight.

I've been catching up on my NXT stuff. It is by far the best overall thing they're doing. The specials are the best wrestling shows they put on. And the women matches are supreme. The gravity of the situation when they have these matches is so easy to see on everyone's face. Maybe it is because the ladies are so obviously emotional about the matches before, during, and after. And hell...the surrounding shenanigans are on the money too. When they roll up and show Bailey and The Boss lifting weights/running/randomly training, I'm all in on everything.

It ain't just a chick thing tho. I remember not too long ago that Sami Zayn was bringing the same gravity and power and 'consequence' to all of his big matches. AKA it can be done.

It just doesn't work as well when it is Cena and he's obviously gonna win. Or its a random 'two-month program' face against Seth By God Rollins. Meanwhile, Cesaro is chillin. Neville is eating time doing nothing big.

  

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236. "They make everything in NXT matter, it's as simple as that"
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A big part is that they only have 1 hour a week compared to WWE having 3 for Raw, 2 for SD and whatever other shows each week.

There is nothing on NXT that is meaningless, every match has a purpose and the result effects what happens to the wrestler after it's over. Compare that to Raw where the world champ can lose over and over again on Raw and it doesn't matter, or Orton fights Sheamus for what feels like 23 straight episodes with nothing on the line ever.

Raw feels unimportant because it is which leads to PPVs feeling unimportant because they are. NXT makes you legitimately feel that what is happening at that moment will change the wrestlers lives forever which in many ways it does.

  

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237. "heres hoping the ratings dip below 2.0"
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>Also Whoof at things being so bad this post hasn't been upped
>in 2.5 weeks even with a PPV tonight.

they putting up the worst numbers since like 96 lmao. maybe a complete bottoming out will make them try again.

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238. "From what I hear Vince is 100% unphased by the ratings drop. "
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He's in his usual state of denial and blaming everything but the quality of the product for this decline. I tend to think there IS some actual truth to that, but only some.

What's funny about his position on ratings in this context is I've heard countless stories about the way he looks at how certain guys who don't pop a quarter hour and sees that as proof that they aren't draws, yet does not extract the notion that his entire product isn't drawing from the overall rating declining.

Reigns and Bray put on a hell of a Raw main event a few weeks ago and it drew little more than flies because the product as a whole is week and their story in particular has been very lackluster despite their physical segments being solid.

That McMahon bubble is a motherfucker. Those people look at all the data and look for the angles they can use to flatter themselves and dismiss anything that paints them in a lesser light.

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239. "Albertooooooooo Del RRRRRIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"
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#USChamp

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240. "Apron Alabama Slam..."
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in a women's match? Shiiiiid.

>Been trying yo get back into it full swing...starting to win
>me back.
>
>Couple of things;
>
>- Rollins....meh, a decent placeholder champion, but has he
>beaten anyone cleanly? I realize that's the point but he has
>to beat someone without total BS right? (maybe I missed it
>while he was up-and-coming *shrug*)
>
>- Seeing Heyman reminded me of three things...I miss REAL ECW
>on Ritner street, Heyman must be eating real well on WWE
>money, and pairing him with Lesnar is one of the best moves
>WWE has done. Great on the mic. But with all that said, no
>way Undertaker doesn't win at SS right? Ugh...
>
>- Of the Diva revolution, I'm down with Team B.A.D.
>Naomi...yep. All three actually.
>
>
>- If Cena wins both belts @ SS, I probably quit watching
>again.

  

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241. "A clean win for Rollins. Nice"
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Time to move him on to let roman take his title now it seems.

  

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242. "LOL at the announcers stumbling over that blade job"
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We see Lesnar use his hand to stop his head from hitting the pole.

Announcers say how he got his hand up to protect his head.

Lesnar comes away bleeding

Announcers say he didn't get his hand up to protect his head.

  

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243. "Hell of a match."
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Didn't know that Taker had that much left in the tank.

  

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244. "Great match, don't get the end"
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Why rehash a Wyatt vs Taker feud? Why not just give him a moment and let's see him at Mania. Though they did advertise he would be at Survivor Series too, so I guess that's a way to give him a quick win.

  

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245. "not a feud, a funeral"
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246. "Nah they ganged up and beat him up"
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They also advertised that Taker will be at Survivor Series.

No way he isn't fighting a Wyatt member in some way at Survivor Series.

A funeral implies some respect, I could get behind the idea of the Wyatts carrying him away and replacing him as the fear of the WWE, but they beat him up after a night of telling us Survivor Series is all about Takers 25th anniversary.

He's on a retirement tour an the Wyatts are up next match.

  

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247. "I could see Wyatts and Rollins vs a Taker babyface team "
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Classic 5 on 5 Survivor Series match

Taker
Kane
Reigns
Ambrose
Daniel Bryan

a safer way for Bryan to return, and makes storyline sense too as everyone has history with each other

  

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252. "Would be a good way to safely use Taker"
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248. "My son is very excited to see Taker at Survivor Series...."
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As much as I paid for these tickets, I hope they have an excellent card....



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249. "Can't argue with any of the booking here."
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Solid show. Del Rio is back, the Zeb pairing could be a lot of fun, and scoring a clean win on Cena is HUGE. Would've liked a longer match here (just cut out one of the 3 promos for the main event) because they've been telling a story with these open challenges. I'd rather see someone REALLY take Cena to the limit and then beat him. Still a minor complaint cause I'm a big ADR fan. Glad he's back. Honestly didn't think it would happen.

All the middle matches were good even if they weren't memorable. Rollins finally got a clean win. I'm sure many will grumble about Bray, but Roman needed to go over here, and at least the Wyatts have a direction now.

But on to the main event: by far the best of these 3 Taker-Lesnar matches. Lesnar went over and this feud got the knock-down drag-out brawl it deserved.

  

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250. "main event finish is actually their smartest writing in ages"
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Genius almost really for Lesnar to break out the low blow calling back to the wacky Summerslam finish. Now I doubt they booked the Summerslam finish with the Hell in a Cell finish already in mind, but damn if they didn't save face here.

Awesome match.

  

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251. "I agree..."
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The fact that Lesnar won with the low blow kinda made Taker losing again, not so bad. I've been appalled by Taker's booking since The Streak ended and although their SummerFest match was very, very good, the ending was atrocious and I feel more detrimental to Taker's career than the Streak ending.
This ending though... not so bad.

(It does make me laugh the way the announcers made such a fuss about the Tombstone on the wooden boards - naw man, it's a Tombstone on his knees!)

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253. "ADR is evidence that an "off-season" for wrestlers makes sense business ..."
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We already know the benefit of giving wrestlers consistent time off. There obviously will never be an official "off-season", but it's certainly possible to give wrestler A these two months off, wrestler B these two, etc. So from the wrestler's perspective, thinking about their health, their sanity, and saving them from getting burnt out, this really is a no brainer.

Now, considering C.R.E.A.M. and all that, ADR's return last night proves that it's beneficial from a business standpoint as well. What was ADR doing before he left? Does anybody even remember? What would he have done for the past year or so that he was gone? Continued to get more and more stale, rehashing the same feuds, fighting Sheamus, Randy Orton, etc for the million times each. Instead, he's gone for a year, comes back refreshed and without a million appearances over the last 12 months, and he's immediately 10x more interesting than when he left. ADR is worth more money from now until WM32 than he was the entire time he was gone.

  

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255. "Great point"
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He wouldn't get a pop like that in basically any other situation short of an MITB cash-in. After seeing a successful run in LU I hope they can use that to write something fresh for him.

  

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258. "I agree to an extant, but no one cares about him in particular"
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he's a boring character. It'll take about a month before everyone's back to being "meh" on him

Del Rio aside however, I do like your idea of guys just going away on purpose for a while

  

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262. "yeah they don't call him alberto del frio for nothing."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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254. "Ryback needs to go and fulfill his destiny..."
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And wrestle Jack Swagger in a best on 1000 feud on Superstars.

Good God he's boring. Is his gimmick supposed to be a super-sized infant? He wears a onesie, needs to be woken up to eat,and does actually nothing of note.

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256. "FOH. This is an insult to infants"
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Infants are infinitely more interesting and entertaining than RyBaby.

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257. "seriously, I've never been able to understand the character"
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sometimes he's a dumb guy who likes to fight. sometimes he's an emotional guy who can go on and on about inspirational books. sometimes he's the crazy person he portrays on twitter. It's not even like any of those are complex, they just can't settle on one. and every time they try to it gets stale really quick. He needs another tag team repackaging.

  

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264. "Whatever happened to the "Warlord" type role?"
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Those old fashioned gladiator/warrior sort of characters are conspicuous by their absence since the 90s. Everyone's gotta be a believable gym-rat or something.

Ryback was made to be a Warlord or Barbarian type of character... just need to put a hat with antlers on him and stick him in a stable managed by a good talker. Job done.

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259. "Looks like we're getting our Reigns vs Rollins feud"
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Can't see who else would win this tournament

  

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260. "I'm sorry, but the Superman punch"
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has surpassed the 5 knuckle shuffle on the Corn-O-Meter.

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261. "But he really does load it up like Superman's gun"
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263. "..................No. "
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I don't understand this one at all.

Reigns deserves a good portion of the grief he gets but that's a badass move. The 5 Knuckle Shuffle and the Superman Punch are nowhere near the same solar system.

that 5KS bullshit was just Cena's low rent version of the Rock's mildly cornball the people's elbow. Shit that whole era was littered with bullshit like that. The Superman Punch is nowhere near that scotty too hotty on steroids nonsense.

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265. "The problem with the Superman Punch"
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Isn't the Superman Punch, it's the lack of everything else around it - dude repeats this punch and the spear so regularly you'd be forgiven for thinking he only had two moves. I know he has more, but the Superman Punch has been ruined forever with over use.

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267. "It's part of the bigger problem with how they book Reigns"
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He is impressive and a great athlete who people were all behind at one point.

They need to just let him do his thing in the ring and not book him around 3 moves and dumb babyface interviews to get the buy in back.

  

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266. "But why was dude at ringside in the KO shirt cheering for it?"
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268. "its pretty corny but its not possible to be cornier than the 5NS"
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269. "agreed, at least the superman punch makes sense"
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it's a big move that can be pulled out of nowhere and people sell it in fun ways. as far as the shuffle goes: how many times do you need to be kicked in the head for you to realize this taunt is not a good idea? and how does someone getting punched in the head so hard that they GET UP make any sense at all?

  

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270. "RE: agreed, at least the superman punch makes sense"
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>it's a big move that can be pulled out of nowhere and people
>sell it in fun ways. as far as the shuffle goes: how many
>times do you need to be kicked in the head for you to realize
>this taunt is not a good idea? and how does someone getting
>punched in the head so hard that they GET UP make any sense at
>all?

Attitude era holdover. The match layouts have changed but the 'here come the spots y'all want' thing has not. Sadly, 5NS is one such spot. Considering that NO ONE is jobbing to it nowadays, he should certainly not be going for pins after doing it if he's gonna keep doing it.

It would be so cool if he did something cool when he came back. I think it'll be the norm tho. He'll act like he's about to do something interesting before just going back to being regular old 'lose when it doesn't matter, win ala Hulk 86 when it does' John Cena.

  

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271. "Don't like it either, and moreso don't like the way he's portrayed"
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I don't like that it exists in the same world as Brock Lesnar. But at face value the move is no more stupid than the People's Elbow or the leg drop.

BUT, it IS stupid in a "universe" that Brock Lesnar also lives in. And that's worth keeping in mind because inevitably Reigns is going to be the hand-picked guy that conquers the dragon and beats Lesnar clean. That was obviously the plan last year and they smartly exercised caution. But don't think they don't still want to get back to that. (The next time they lock horns Brock Lesnar will have essentially beaten the Undertaker twice in a row, the most recent match being an especially brutal and reality-centered bout...Superman punch? Come on)

The Superman punch is a larger symptom that stems from the WWE trying to make this guy something that he is not bred to be. The downfall of Reigns' solo run thus far and and its uninspired forecast looking ahead rests in the WWE's hardon to eventually replace Cena with Reigns. So you get the same long-winded and unfunny promos, the hilariously elementary catchphrases (HIT HARD...wtf?), and the same cartoonish offense. And I suppose that's ok and I think Reigns will still thrive in that role.

But Reigns has far greater potential than just being the next kid-friendly ambassador for the company. There's the Samoan lineage, a legitimate athletic pedigree ala the Rock, and an empathy that they've thus far ignored - I mean Reigns is a father, have they ever addressed that? That AUTOMATICALLY makes him more interesting than John Cena; Cena is a TV dad to millions of wide-eyed kids, Reigns is a REAL dad, fuck your green tee shirts.

And so all of that is say, they could be doing so much more with him. Reigns has potential to be the real crossover star they've been praying and waiting for. But I fear he can't become that by just trying to make him Cena with long hair. There's so much unrealized opportunity with him, opportunity to go deeper and to make him a babyface that kids and smarks similarly appreciate.

  

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273. "They’ve mentioned his daughter quite a bit actually. "
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Also, he’s actually been gaining steam the last two months in spite of a mediocre story with Bray. They’ve wisely leveraged the fans love of Dean using the bond between the two to help stem the disdain for Reigns. They’ve actually booked him fairly well since that fatal four way, where once again his relationship with Dean was center stage. That was the best thing they could have possibly done. They actually let those two look around, look at each other, acknowledge that there was nothing left to do but fight each other, shrugged it off and go toe to toe without a hint of animosity afterward. Loser buys the beer and all is well in their bond of brothers.

They’ve leveraged that bond significantly during the Wyatt storyline and used more of it last night and it’s worked. He still gets a bit of the Cena treatment but they’ve actually managed to gain traction over time and he’s definitely winning people over week by week.

I’m not trying to be snarky here but the reality of his current stature is kind of the opposite of your assessment.

As far as the superman punch being stupid due to the existence of Brock, I’m not understanding that logic at all. Reigns is a legit WWE powerhouse. Pro Wrestling IS, throughout history, absolutely a long, overarching story of unstoppable forces mowing down immovable objects in some form or another. The superman punch is a believable weapon against a guy like Brock, hell, arguably the most believable weapon on the roster to be honest, so I can’t grasp what you mean when you say it’s stupid because Brock exists. Reigns is positioned as a powerhouse brawler and the entire industry has been built on that guy conquering monsters for decades.

As far as Reigns being a cartoon, I’d argue that there is no bigger cartoon than Brock Lesnar because WWE has built him to ridiculously high proportions. They wisely used the UFC stint to amplify his mystique, however they’ve overplayed that to the degree that Brock vs Super Cena looks like a fight between SS God Goku vs Krillin. They’ve hoed out Big Show twice, Cena a couple times, and had him whoop Takers ass three times in two years. The only guy to look strong and get a clean win? Hunter.

Yeah.

Brock has actually hurt as much as he’s helped because they’ve gotten lazy creatively because they’re banking on him just being an overwhelmingly dominant force fighting legends who are already over. Reigns has his flaws such as his horrid promo style, but the discussion of him being a credible threat to Brock needs to take a harder look at WWE positioning Brock as a little too invincible to build a credible threat, regardless of who it is.

Sheamus, Cesaro could and should be positioned as credible threats, but Sheamus has been damaged in a big way. Cesaro could get hot in a moment if they decided to push that button. Both have the physicality to be believable opponents for Brock, but they’ve unwisely chosen to hotshot Brock with the geriatric wing for short term gains instead of having some actual fucking vision and building guys who could actually be studs if they weren’t given bullshit creative all the time.

Hell, even Barrett, who is legit bare knuckle champ vs brock, who historically folds the fuck up when he gets hit in the face? Yeah, I absolutely buy that if the pro wrestling narrative here is that Brock is a real deal fighter with credentials in “real” fighting. If they did the wise thing as position Brock as a dominant pro wrestler while playing up the fact that pro wrestling is a completely different ball game than UFC, then Barrett isn’t a credible threat.

Anyhow I’m not ranting away at you so much... but there are some nuances at play here that tend to get ignored in Reigns discussions.

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274. "Ok, and admittedly I haven't watched much in recent months"
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And you make a good point about Brock being booked as video game boss. Maybe that does do some damage that I'm not considering.

Again, I haven't watched Raw in probably about a year. I know who's who and I watch every PPV, but nothing really changes from PPV to PPV so I feel no need to watch regularly.

I just think there's a way they could make Reigns more real and I think that would help endear him to more fans. He's more interesting than Cena but from what I can tell they don't do a very good job of finding ways to accentuate that.

  

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272. "haven't watched in some weeks until last night. reigns got a nice pop"
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they marks wanted nothing to do with him a year ago, but maybe his push will be well-received this around?

as an aside, my issue with finishers is that, ironically, they're not that anymore. way overused/guys infinitely kicking out and throughout the course of a match.

zero anticipation anymore.

oh, and can the wwe technical staff quit with the ADHD/hyper-zoom-in and-out-after-every-punch-and-kick camera shots already? nearly giving me seizures.

  

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275. "Don't know how it sounded on tv but the pop was HUGE live when he won"
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The crowd for that whole match was insane actually.
Keep putting him in interesting matches like that & he'll get the pop.

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276. "Reigns is boring."
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Looks great, athletic, but deadly boring.

I don't know if it's just the microphone. The whole package is pretty boring. Weirdly, I'm bored by him in about the same way I'm bored by Kane.

Maybe he'll get better.

  

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277. "Rollins out 6-9 months with knee injury, WWE title vacated (swipe)"
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The tournament could be fun, but goddamn does this suck. I'm really bummed out about this. Not the most stellar title reign, but that was the booking's fault, not Rollins. he always brought it.

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278. "Cesaro. DO IT, VINCE."
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The fans will go along with it. Then aim Brock at him.

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279. "I wanna see Cesaro-Brock SO bad"
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which means it'll NEVER happen.

  

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280. "I want to see Brock laugh off a Swiss Death"
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only for Cesaro to put him in the swing.

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281. "Uppercuts for 10 minutes straight would be hilarious."
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>only for Cesaro to put him in the swing.

  

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282. "Anyone but Cena or Reigns...please"
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284. "not sure what is, but i've just never been able to get into cesaro"
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aside from the smarks, the dude just can't get over as a top guy.

they've tried to tweak his look a little here and there, but nothing. tried to put him with zeb so he can talk for him, but nothing.

i don't know if it's his forced mic work or ho-hum charisma or what.

  

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285. "give him a transporter/hitman gimmick and a solid manager"
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badass bald dude who beats the fuck outta people like brock. have him come out like "brock they got a price on your head nigga and i'm coming to collect"

it's really so easy.

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286. "lol"
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>badass bald dude who beats the fuck outta people like brock.
>have him come out like "brock they got a price on your head
>nigga and i'm coming to collect"
>
>it's really so easy.


i would love this.

  

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300. "he reminds me of one of the 7 Dwarfs."
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283. "damn... ACL, MCL and meniscus? no way he's back in less than a year"
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i hate to say it, but like *most* athletes who through at least the ACL part, dude will never be the same.

the company's overall product definitely gets even poorer now.

  

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287. "This is a really good thing all around."
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Not the injury, of course, but 9-12 months he comes back as a surprise on Raw to a massive pop, like a run-in beatdown of D Bryan or Cena or somebody, instantly more over than when he left and right back as a top heel.

Meanwhile I think the guy you push as a top heel is Owens. Great opportunity for him to build momentum. Or Del Rio.

An Owens/Del Rio tag team would be good.

For the belt, D Bryan makes a surprise return at the tournament or whatever, wins the thing, gigantic pop, he holds it until somebody else steps up - worst case is feuds with Owens, Del Rio, Ziggler, Cesaro...those would be some good wrestling matches.

D Bryan doesn't come back, then put it on Bo Dallas for shits and giggles.

  

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288. "Real shame..."
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Hope he comes back strong. As much as I'm a Rollins fan, I was ready for a new champion and hopefully this gives someone else the chance to ascend to top heel status. Owens - as someone has already said - would be a great choice.

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289. "So... who's your pick for new champ?"
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I'm going with Reigns.

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290. "Reigns wins Tourney, Sheamus cashes in"
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I think you stick with yoru plan to have Reigns get the belt at Rumble or Mania and let a heel run with it until then, as much as I hate Sheamus

  

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291. "Brilliant!"
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Completely forgot about MITB Sheamus.

I would like a face champ now though as Rollins has had a lengthy heel reign and before that was Brock.

I dunno if they want to force Reigns into another Mania Main event as the challenger - would mean that Reigns would probably have to win the Rumble and I can't imagine they'll go with that again. The timing for Sheamus could actually be quite bad - with Reigns poised for a run and the impending Mania buildup, he doesn't seem like he'd have a lot of time with the belt to make his mark pre-Mania. Maybe best to wait til after?

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292. "There's a lot of creative ways they could go with it, but they won't."
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It's gonna be Reigns, Sheamus, or they break the bank for Lesnar. I wouldn't mind Brock, but there's so many other great possibilities. For one thing, a tourney can make the winner look legitimate in an instant, so a lot more people become believable. Owens, Wyatt, Cesaro, and Ambrose could all win and look like a million bucks doing it.


Still holding out hope for a New Day title reign. It's not gonna happen, but how great would that be? Who has more heat than them? We got 3 hours of Raw and I wouldn't mind if they're on half of it. I simply can't get enough New Day in my life. GIVE ME MORE NEW DAY!

  

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293. "Would be ineteresting to have an internet darling win then Sheamus cash ..."
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They love making people mad, do something like Cesaro win 4 hard fought matches then just lose immediately.

  

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295. "there's STILL rumors that sheamus won't cash in soon"
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now, this could be the WWE feeding the rumor mill bullshit to get everyone off their scent. that's happened many times before. but really, whoever the MITB holder is, if they DON'T cash in at the end of a tourney they're the dumbest person alive. it's like facing someone after an iron man match. why WOULDN'T you cash in then?

  

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296. "Kayfabe wise he is terrible at cashing in"
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He keeps trying and failing

  

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297. "the ref was at fault that last time"
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holy shit was that a mess.

  

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298. "RE: So... who's your pick for new champ?"
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>I'm going with Reigns.

The wrestling nerd pick is Owens. Fat daddy could get the cheap/troll heat to carry them at least to the rumble where some underdog face could beat him, sheamus could cash in, and then we can get to the part where Cena or Reigns wins the title soon after that before getting to Dallas. Mania tickets are selling like crazy. Me and two of my homies got three tickets. We need to figure out where we're staying and all of that.

My pick? I think they blow their load and go straight for the Reigns win. Of course, Ambrose flips on him to give them the feud. And that's if they don't have Roman pull a Rock and become corporate champion. Rollins shows up and then shit gets fun.

And Sheamus gets to fester around with the briefcase. I swear, it seems like fella is gonna have to do something wild like join the Wyatt family to end up actually winning his cash-in. He's impressively cold right now. The only time anyone even pretends to care about him is when he's finna cash in.

I don't know if Reigns can carry a true heel match structure. He's been a lot better as a basic babyface who gets his moves in but otherwise gets beat up for the whole match.

It should go without saying that Seth by God Rollins getting hurt makes me sad panda sad.

  

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Tiger Woods
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302. "would be way more fun if Reigns turned..."
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That's BY FAR more interesting. It gets down to Ambrose vs Reigns at Survivor Series and it's actually Reigns that turns on Ambrose with the aid of Hunter. Reigns could then actually and FINALLY just stand still solemn faced every week while Hunter talks for him from now until Mania.

And they could have some real fun with Ambrose playing the scrappy underdog role:

- Ambroses loses to Reigns at TLC on some Authority bullshit.

- Then at Royal Rumble it's all Ambrose:
. Ambrose beats Sheamus for the briefcase at Royal Rumble.
. Ambrose tries to cash in on Reigns after Reigns' match at Royal
Rumble and Ambrose loses AGAIN.
. Then, somehow, at entry 30 Ambrose arrives in the Rumble and wins
the Rumble.

- meanwhile, by Mania, they've planted seeds to indicate that Reigns regrets turning on Ambrose. You get Reigns vs Ambrose at Mania and Ambrose nearly has Reigns beat when Hunter again makes his interference. Reigns turns babyface mid-match when he and Ambrose beat Hunter down. Rollins returns on the spot for what everyone assumes is a Hunter save - but they instead hit the triple power bomb through a table on Hunter for the "Wrestlemania moment"...
Ambrose and Reigns shake hands then brawl it out, Ambrose finally beats Reigns, all three former Shield members celebrate in the center of the ring at Wrestlemania.



  

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Y2Flound
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294. "Got my Mania tickets. Who's going? Who Knows Dallas?"
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Booked an Air BnB in Lower Greenville becuase people told me that's the fun and less expensive area while still easy to get anywhere in Dallas.

Looks like getting to the stadium is a giant pain in the ass, gonna have to find a charter bus someone rents, I saw one that already sold out.

  

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Selassie I God
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299. "Next week on RAW - the youth movement continues"
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Tue Nov-10-15 03:32 AM by Selassie I God

  

          

The Midnight Express vs the Fabulous Freebirds vs the Rock & Roll Express in a Three Way Dance


Hulk Hogan vs The Iron Sheikh

Big John Studd Body Slam Challenge


UGH

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They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

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301. "I like Owens and feel like he could handle the belt right now"
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even more so than someone like Reigns.

Reigns, yeah, he's the perfect baby face...
gets beat up a lot while getting in his stock set
of 4-5 moves and then pin.
But while he's gotten MUCH better on the mic, he still SUCKS.

On the other hand, Owens looks great in every match
plus makes others look great. He's a terrific wrestler.
And he's solid on the mic so I think he could rock as CHAMP.
Do a fine job as top heel.

But does anyone feel like his look would need a boost?
I think it's fine for what he is now and I feel silly
even typing about gear as that should be pretty low on the
priority list when considering what makes a good champ
but I feel like the WWE World Champion shouldn't be
wearing basketball shorts and a cut off T.

Yeah I know Cena has been 15 time champ rocking jean shorts and cargo shorts with Team Jordans for years but kids look at him
like he's wrestling's version of Superman so it works for him.

I know it seems real picky, guess it's just a visual thing.

edit--
WHY IN THE WORLD is Bray NOT in the tourney?
I know he's got the Taker / Kane story line to deal with
but putting the belt on him now and then also have Taker / Kane
on the periphery / back in the picture after he wins the belt
have Taker / Kane try and help someone try and beat Bray to get
the belt but keep failing would be cool.
They had a chance to make Bray INVINCIBLE.
Him not being in tourney major mistake to me.

the whole bracket roll-out had no imagination as well.
Where's an NXT guy that gets a big upset then loses next round
in a great match establishing a new guy on main roster? EASY.

Why not maybe one surprise returnee? Or why not make use of the network and March Madness tourney selection sunday / weds exclusively on the network -- find out who in tourney?? EASY.


Just feel like they miss some obvious things that would make product more exciting / better.

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Tiger Woods
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303. "smark backlash incoming: but...I don't think Owens is The Guy"
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I see it in Cesaro, he'd be a fine champ.

But I don't think shlubby Kevin Owens in gym shorts is your WWE Champ. Just don't see it. I didn't like Jeff Hardy as champ and this would give me a similar vibe.

  

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Y2Flound
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304. "Owens can hold the belt but he'll never be &quot;that guy&quot;"
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He'd be a transitional champ, or get the finally getting the belt Rub like Jeff Hardy, Jericho, Ziggler and a bunch of people who were never the guy but earned a title.

This is a good time to do that I would say, let him hold it until the Rumble and then lose to whoever you want in the Mania main event. I don't think they will because he is so new, but it's a good time for a temporary champ

And it's ok, I think the biggest issue with internet smarks is that they want all their people to be The man, and everyone can't be the man. Everyone can't be Hogan, The Rock or Cena. But you always need your Jericho, Eddie Guerrero and JBLs who can hold the belt at times but also be worthwhile without the belt.

  

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Buck
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305. "Owens as a babyface could be The Guy."
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Crowds are already trying to turn him. One beatdown of HHH or somebody would be huge.

  

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306. "I don't know that he makes a great face"
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He'll get some pops, but his entire look plays so well to the bully who doesn't care angle.

Him as a face reminds me of Lesnar as a face. He has the organic cheers just for being cool, but his gimmick doesnt work as well acting as a babyface.

  

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307. "Not to get all Stroud on you, but WWE faces are horrible people."
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I mean, look at the Rusev/Ziggler feud.

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308. "Again, don't see it. You'd believe in him vs Triple H ??"
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Triple H in his 40s is in better shape than Owens will ever be in.

  

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309. "that's the thing, his physique limits what they can do with his look"
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could he really draw money as the main eventer? "i dunno!" - lex luger

husky harris smartened up and put a shirt on.

big ass mark henry got over, but he was already a made guy at the point when vince put the strap on him.

aside from that, i watched about 5 minutes of dvr'd RAW last night and turned it off. wwe hit an 18-year low in ratings last month btw.

  

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310. "Definitely thought Ziggler would make it to the semis..."
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Happy for Ambrose though.

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