Once again, the demons have been exorcised. they just dunno what to do other than recite the Gouda God's rezzy when his failures are brought up.

We hear about Kobe losing in the finals.

Bron losing in the finals.

Can I ask a question?

Um, who's the best person Jordan faced in the finals?

simple question. like, i'd REALLY like to discuss this.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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>Once again, the demons have been exorcised. they just dunno
>what to do other than recite the Gouda God's rezzy when his
>failures are brought up.
>
>We hear about Kobe losing in the finals.
>
>Bron losing in the finals.

I know, right?

Why don't we hear about Jordan losing in the finals?

Oh yea that's right, he ain't ever lost in the finals.

#GOAT


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you're like the 5th guy who's dedicated a good amount of his time spent on this board following me from thread to thread simply to troll and be disagreeable.

now, i don't mind it. no skin off my nose. i'm just saying that's what's going on with you.

you'll wear yourself out eventually, but you must know it's wack look.

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>
>you're like the 5th guy who's dedicated a good amount of his
>time spent on this board following me from thread to thread
>simply to troll and be disagreeable.
>
>now, i don't mind it. no skin off my nose. i'm just saying
>that's what's going on with you.
>
>you'll wear yourself out eventually, but you must know it's
>wack look.
>
>

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ernie just a part-time hater now, like a bizarro stevie wonder, so i don't trip off him no more.

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>ernie just a part-time hater now, like a bizarro stevie wonder

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apparently atruhead thinks me, you, cogz, and O_E follow him around

not surprised that you have an over-inflated view of yourself though.

Must be hard carrying all those awards home while OKS cats are trolling you.

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you're one of 10 OKP's that trolls me from board to board.

just know how that makes you look.

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>
>Once again, the demons have been exorcised. they just dunno
>what to do other than recite the Gouda God's rezzy when his
>failures are brought up.
>
>We hear about Kobe losing in the finals.
>
>Bron losing in the finals.
>
>Can I ask a question?
>
>Um, who's the best person Jordan faced in the finals?
>
>simple question. like, i'd REALLY like to discuss this.


Drexler, the third best shooting gaurd of my time, is my pick but I know you shortbus dudes like to pretend he was roughly as good as Joe Johnson, so... you can also pick from Payton/Kemp, Magic, Malone/Stockton...I mean, you know all this already. That's why you are so perturbed.

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weak team. they only got a game off the pistons two years before, when buck williams was actually worth a damn.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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>weak team. they only got a game off the pistons two years
>before, when buck williams was actually worth a damn.


It was a weak team. I'd take Drexler over Isiah though.


So off-topic that it's on-topic because we all know, that is your real topic

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team game© Marshawn Lynch

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you on that 3rd world glue

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this ain't new. i've consistently said this. drexler a top 40-45 guy

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but those 50 players are about 1% of anyone who has stepped in NBA. it's odd logic, but I get it

either way he is probably third tier in that sense. barkley i would say is second tier though, by any measure.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

He was outcoached by Phil, by Chuck Daly and others when it counted.

Blazers would have two chips is he had told Kevin Duckworth to shut the fuck up and play ball.

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Outside of Drexler, some good role players and a couple nice talents but that's about it. Drexler took that team further than most could have.

>He was outcoached by Phil, by Chuck Daly and others when it
>counted.

Okay...those teams were also better. Flat out. But yes also Rick Adelman was not as good of a coach as Pat Riley, Feel and Chuck Daly. Hard to hold his feet to the fire for that.

But what chips do you think they should have won??

>
>Blazers would have two chips is he had told Kevin Duckworth to
>shut the fuck up and play ball.


Duckworth fucking sucked.

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He could get you 25 and 12 but if he picked up a ticky tack foul, he would start complaining incessantly...next thing you know, its 3 minutes into the 2nd quarter and he has 3 fouls. He did that consistently, and Adelman never got him to settle down...and it always hurt the Blazers.

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>He could get you 25 and 12 but if he picked up a ticky tack
>foul, he would start complaining incessantly...next thing you
>know, its 3 minutes into the 2nd quarter and he has 3 fouls.
>He did that consistently, and Adelman never got him to settle
>down...and it always hurt the Blazers.
>
>
>

25 and 12?? I mean, he had games like that but you couldn't EXPECT that from Duck, fouls or no fouls.

He was a terrible rebounder for his size, out of shape, an awful defender, who could be a very effective offensive player at times but no consistency. He didn't get to the line and shot a mediocre percentage from the field considering his position.

Look at his playoff stats from the years they actually were contenders

89-90 30 MPG 13 points, 5.8 rebounds, 0.6 blocks, 1 Assist, 2.2 TO
90-91 32 MPG 11.7 points, 6.7 rebounds, 0.5 blocks, 1 assist, 2.4TO
91-92 31 MPG 11.9 points, 5.6 rebounds, 0.6 blocks, 2 assists, 2 TO


He was pretty terrible

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He wasn't going to be a stopper ever because he was slow...but he created fouls on the offensive end and opened up things for Drexler...but Adelman never coached him to stay in the game...and that imploded things everytime they got deep in the playoffs...even after Uncle Cliffy started blowing up.

That team frustrated me to no end.

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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

He has had two separate sets of championship level talent and not one chip to show for it.

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have won at least one chip.

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Jerry Sloan had a better team and didn't win.

Blazers had one superstar, a good bench, couple wily vets and some talented role players.

I am just amazed that you somehow consider the 89-92 Blazers roster to be some sort of stacked team. And I was mos def a fan.

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... plus Jerome Kersey who wasn't an all-star caliber player, but pretty fucking close. Then you have Cliff Robinson and Danny Ainge off the bench.

Yeah, not stacked at all.

Maybe had they given some fucking tick to Drazen Petrovic, they could have gotten over the hump. That was dumb shit. If we are roasting Adelman, let's roast him for that.

Drexler was a legit star but he was a James Worthy star, not a Magic Johnson star. Jordan deaded that discussion himself once and for all.

Porter was a good point guard and a good shooter but he wasn't an elite one. He wasn't as good as other also-ran team's point guards (Price, Hardaway, KJ), let alone the heavy hitters (Magic, Zeke, Stockton).

Buck Williams was a helluva PF, maybe aging a little but a truly underrated player.

Duckworth was kind of the missing piece because they had sucked at center. But he was just an average big man, a legit starter but nothing beyond that. I would rank him, again, behind the also-ran guys that came after him like Divac, Sabonis and Smits.

Cliff Robinson was an excellent bench player, I always thought he was overlooked for the 6th man shit (he might have won it one year though).

And they had an older Ainge plus Jerome Kersey who was a nice athletic big. Their parts up front fit together pretty well.

So they won on depth and cohesion but they didn't POP the way the elite teams did. They were the Bills minus Bruce Smith.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

specifically how fucking amazing he would be in today's nba. the modern offense is pretty much tailor made for him.

50/40/90, corner 3s, finish at the rim, create contact at will, ill stepback, pass it a little.

he'd eat good.

didn't they move him for like 30 games of old walter davis? lulz.


>Maybe had they given some fucking tick to Drazen Petrovic,
>they could have gotten over the hump. That was dumb shit. If
>we are roasting Adelman, let's roast him for that.

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Totally agree with you on him thriving in today's game, honestly he had more to show us in the era he played in.

If there was ever a loud-and-wrong quote about his trade demands, it was this one from Rick Adelman:

"Let’s be realistic. Here’s a guy who averaged seven points a game last year. This is not an all-star player. We have a lot of guys playing ahead of him who are very good players. Who’s to say that won’t happen to him somewhere else, too? I think he’s getting some very bad advice.”

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Terrible? Choose your words better.

He wasn't the greatest player, but he was far from terrible. If you want to look at why the Blazers never won titles in those years, you could possibly point your finger at Duckworth, saying that if he was just a little bit better, then they could've won. But the reality is that the Blazers were *this* close in 91 and 92 to winning the title. They were clearly the best team in 1991, and while the Bulls were probably better in 92, the Blazers were up 15 points entering the fourth quarter in Game 6 which would've tied the series at 3. They were right there to win either of those years.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

And at one point was probably the 3rd best shooting guard of his own time after Kobe and Wade

"when I was growin' up if we wanted a jacuzzi we had to fart in the tub!"

Okay.


He just is not anywhere near Clyde Drexler.


Otherwise, yeah good for Joe, I guess.

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Joe's 05-09 run was SO damn good

The hawks would have been 0-164 from 05-07 without him. I had season tix those 2 years and went to.prolly 60-70 of the 82 home games.

Id be willing to hear an argument for McGrady, but Joe was a much better shooter And im talking about a specific time periperiod

and those were his prime years on a middling playoff squad. He aint making the Hall

in Drexler's prime he was 25-27, 6 and 5, shooting near 50% from the field and 79% from the line on a contender in the Lake Show west

With kersey, cliff, and porter as opposed to josh childress, shelden williams, and acie law

But this isnt just me, BR's HoF predictor has him at coin flip. Im on the yes side.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Juat saying that if you are looking for a guy to make an "average 2 guard" comparison, Joe aint the one

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

>And at one point was probably the 3rd best shooting guard of
>his own time after Kobe and Wade

grassrootsphilosopher

and yes, the bulls would have lost to hakeem's rockets, unless Scottie went ballistic in 2 games

you fooz are pressed, cot damn. LOL

horry and mario elle and kenny smith

are not fucking with first or second run of three

And I mean A LOT.

That would have been intriguing because he was dominant in a way that no center Jordan beat. Shaq was young when they were butting heads (96 Chicago swept them, I think) and Ewing never quite reached Hakeem's level IMHO. In the Finals, they never faced any centers legitimately worth a shit, which was weird.

But the matchup intrigue aside, player for player, the Bulls were better than either team and it's not even close to close.

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so the answer to the question is NO ONE.

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let's just look at the HOF'ers he beat to GET to the finals.

this wasn't Bron's Eastern Conference where teams under .500 are getting the 6 seed.

so we got Isiah (your GOD), Dumars, Rodman an' 'nem.

next we got Ewing and the gang.

then we got Shaq (along with Penny, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott aka they ain't no bums).

then we got Alonzo (along with Dan Majerle, Tim Hardaway, Jamal Mashburn when he was still solid...yeah, not bums)

then Reggie Miller (along with Rik Smits, Jalen, the Davis "twins", Mark Jackson...definitely not bums and the only ones that took them to a game 7 in the ECF).

now that that's out of the way we can add in the Magics, Stocktons, Malones, Barkelys, Paytons, Drexlers, etc. he saw in the finals.

why you clowns try to continue to disparage the GOAT is beyond me.

>let's just look at the HOF'ers he beat to GET to the finals.
>
>this wasn't Bron's Eastern Conference where teams under .500
>are getting the 6 seed.

>so we got Isiah (your GOD), Dumars, Rodman an' 'nem.

Yep. Except that after 91 there was no more "an' 'nem". It was just those 3, Salley, and OLD Laimbeer and Aguirre. I mean, they lost to the Knicks in the first round in 92 for gods sake.

>Next we got Ewing and the gang.

What "gang"?

>then we got Shaq (along with Penny, Nick Anderson, Dennis
>Scott aka they ain't no bums).

Failure to launch. That Orlando team had one matchup with the Bulls when both teams were at full strength, and that was only Penny's 3rd year in the league.

>then we got Alonzo (along with Dan Majerle, Tim Hardaway,
>Jamal Mashburn when he was still solid...yeah, not bums)

Again, 1 matchup in 97. And that team was out in the first round the next year.

>then Reggie Miller (along with Rik Smits, Jalen, the Davis
>"twins", Mark Jackson...definitely not bums and the only ones
>that took them to a game 7 in the ECF).

Definitely the most *complete* East team they ever played, if not the most talented.

>now that that's out of the way we can add in the Magics,
>Stocktons, Malones, Barkelys, Paytons, Drexlers, etc. he saw
>in the finals.
>why you clowns try to continue to disparage the GOAT is beyond
>me.

Let me ask you this, other than the 96 Magic, who else from that group could you actually see as a champion?

knicks, magic and pacers went to the finals themselves so, to answer your question...i could see those teams as champs since they actually had the shot.

the point of the post was to disparage who Jordan faced. i'm putting up evidence that Jordan beat quality teams led by legit HOF'ers in the ECF AND the Finals.