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"WTF...NFL investigating possibility that Patriots deflated footballs"
Mon Jan-19-15 01:24 AM by FILF

  

          

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/19/7834065/patriots-deflated-football-afc-championship-penalty

The New England Patriots came away with a 45-7 win against the Indianapolis Colts on Sunday, but the NFL will investigate the footballs used in that AFC Championship victory. The NFL will investigate whether the Patriots deflated footballs used in the game, according to Bob Kravitz of WTHR.com.

According to Kravitz a violation for deflated footballs would not impact the outcome of the AFC Championship, but the Patriots could lose draft picks. Kravitz reported officials took a ball out of play during the game and weighed it. According to NFL rules, home teams are required to provide 36 balls for outdoor games and make the balls available for testing with a pressure gauge prior to the game.

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That's why I say Belicheat & Brady's entire legacy is tainted, we only.....
Jan 19th 2015
1
He'll go down in history the same way LaRussa did. . .
Jan 20th 2015
33
If you ain't cheating you ain't trying
Jan 19th 2015
2
Wouldn't this have helped the Colts too if it were really true?
Jan 19th 2015
3
each offense usually uses their own ball
Jan 19th 2015
8
nevermind...just heard that's not true
Jan 19th 2015
17
      apparently i was right...home team provides the balls which are kept on
Jan 20th 2015
22
It benefits the team that knows more
Jan 20th 2015
20
      They had different balls, and it was evident by touch. which is how the
Jan 20th 2015
23
Honestly, if true, they should forfeit the game
Jan 19th 2015
4
What does weighing a ball do?
Jan 19th 2015
5
refs probably thought something was off with the ball and weighing it
Jan 19th 2015
10
Weight is a more likely indicator in cold weather
Jan 20th 2015
18
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Jan 19th 2015
6
So the outcome would have been different otherwise? cmon....
Jan 19th 2015
7
I don't think people are debating the outcome
Jan 19th 2015
9
so what? if you're cheating, you get punished
Jan 19th 2015
12
lol - this is much ado abt nathan....
Jan 20th 2015
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      check it how?
Jan 20th 2015
29
           like they physical handle every football prior to the snap
Jan 20th 2015
40
                handling every ball isn't the same as checking them
Jan 21st 2015
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                     they kinda do it a lot... lol.. some might say they're experts....
Jan 21st 2015
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That's irrelevant. Cheating isn't a relative measure
Jan 20th 2015
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the officials check every ball put into play.. lol
Jan 20th 2015
27
ehhhhhh ... likely not much BUT
Jan 21st 2015
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A pattern of systemic rulebreaking, cheating, and exploitation of rules....
Jan 19th 2015
11
see Brew's response.
Jan 19th 2015
13
Because they are cheaters?
Jan 19th 2015
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and it was the ref who noticed, not the opposing team
Jan 20th 2015
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      nah, latest report says it was after the interception that the colts rea...
Jan 20th 2015
24
Pats have been using the Nerf Vortex for years now.
Jan 19th 2015
14
Marshawn Lynch grabbed his dick (c) Caucasian sports fans
Jan 19th 2015
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Waiting For Ray Lewis to speak on it
Jan 20th 2015
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Gronk thinks he did it
Jan 20th 2015
26
Even if true, non-fucking-story.
Jan 20th 2015
30
Simms is talking about QBs not RBs
Jan 20th 2015
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lol. simms was talking about a qb who admitted regularl breaking the rul...
Jan 20th 2015
lol. simms was talking about a qb who admitted regularl breaking the rul...
Jan 20th 2015
35
Wat.
Jan 20th 2015
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And Simms told THAT story to point out how different Rodgers is
Jan 20th 2015
39
Breaking the rules is breaking the rules.
Jan 20th 2015
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Not to mention Blount has a history of coughing up the ball
Jan 20th 2015
48
seems like Aaron is talking about before the game and before the refs
Jan 21st 2015
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i'm surprised goodell hasn't destroyed the footballs by now
Jan 20th 2015
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no one in the nfl offices knew of their existence.
Jan 20th 2015
32
      lol
Jan 21st 2015
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So lemme get this straight
Jan 20th 2015
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You make a great point.
Jan 20th 2015
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that's gonna change tho.. Barry & Roger getting in eventually..
Jan 20th 2015
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there are a zillion issues with the baseball HOF
Jan 20th 2015
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As I said above, see LaRussa, Tony
Jan 21st 2015
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      DING!
Jan 22nd 2015
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11 of 12 Pats' footballs under-inflated *swipe*
Jan 20th 2015
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ESPN deleted their tweet too.
Jan 20th 2015
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Not Sports Center (link)
Jan 20th 2015
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So once again they broke the rules
Jan 20th 2015
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He will get on it right after he finishes issuing a fine to Marshawn
Jan 20th 2015
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The footballs will be destroyed
Jan 21st 2015
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Well, that sucks.
Jan 21st 2015
55
Did they check the Colts' footballs?
Jan 21st 2015
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      yeah, i wondered that too.
Jan 21st 2015
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           i was thinking of that missed Vinateri kick.
Jan 21st 2015
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                They use different balls for kicks I believe
Jan 21st 2015
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                     oh ok.
Jan 21st 2015
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B72TVHiIgAE0p7s.jpg
Jan 20th 2015
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the pats make yall furious
Jan 21st 2015
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^ lol best reply
Jan 21st 2015
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is it really an issue if they can't say how the balls got deflated?
Jan 21st 2015
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That's usually how it goes.
Jan 21st 2015
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      it was 50 degrees
Jan 21st 2015
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           it was more for the rain
Jan 21st 2015
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           what was
Jan 21st 2015
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           Well then...
Jan 21st 2015
                I'm a REAL NEW ENGLANDER
Jan 21st 2015
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                     The irony in that statement
Jan 21st 2015
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                          I'm well aware
Jan 21st 2015
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fukk em... they cheat...that's what they do...cheated us in the
Jan 21st 2015
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cheated us FIRST
Jan 21st 2015
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      who
Jan 21st 2015
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           don't be DENSE
Jan 21st 2015
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           why on earth would I know who your team is sara???
Jan 21st 2015
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                you're an idiot.
Jan 21st 2015
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                     lol.. I didn't even know you posted outside of fantasy football
Jan 21st 2015
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                          everyone else has known for a decade
Jan 21st 2015
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                               everyone else pays attention to you... I don't....lol..
Jan 21st 2015
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                                    LOL
Jan 22nd 2015
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           The Raiders got jobbed before the Rams
Jan 21st 2015
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                just finally things are looking up for the raiders too
Jan 21st 2015
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                     looking up for the Raiders???
Jan 21st 2015
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                          shieeeeet
Jan 21st 2015
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                               if you were really a raider fan....
Jan 21st 2015
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                                    wait for it...
Jan 21st 2015
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                                         bam!!!!
Jan 21st 2015
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1: How do refs handle the footballs every play and miss it?
Jan 21st 2015
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oso its the refs now LOL
Jan 21st 2015
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^^^ How do refs handle the footballs every play and miss it?
Jan 21st 2015
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      makes no sense, and if
Jan 21st 2015
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           Next logical question, how many times have they done this previously
Jan 21st 2015
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                Yeah. The refs actually
Jan 21st 2015
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2: This gameball management system sounds retarded
Jan 21st 2015
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not having fulltime refs is r-worded
Jan 21st 2015
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Belicheck furious that 12th ball not deflated properly(ESPN swipe)
Jan 21st 2015
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Tomorrow he gonna claim
Jan 21st 2015
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Nah, they'll blame a ballboy or feign ignorance
Jan 21st 2015
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^^^^^^^^this isnt a real swipe
Jan 21st 2015
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Would be a good Onion headline
Jan 21st 2015
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makes elis rings even more impressive
Jan 21st 2015
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Eli is our true lord and savior
Jan 21st 2015
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not even
Jan 21st 2015
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      but only the cheatriots do it after the balls have been approved by the ...
Jan 21st 2015
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           there's a ton of assumptions with this whole thing
Jan 21st 2015
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                PRETTY FUCKING MUCH
Jan 21st 2015
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                Rule 1. Don't cheat. Rule 2. If you gonna cheat, don't get caught.
Jan 21st 2015
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                I agree with this point
Jan 21st 2015
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                RE: there's a ton of assumptions with this whole thing
Jan 21st 2015
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                     RE: there's a ton of assumptions with this whole thing
Jan 21st 2015
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                     RE: there's a ton of assumptions with this whole thing
Jan 21st 2015
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                          And I think the Patriots should be punished
Jan 21st 2015
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                               "A bit" extreme?
Jan 21st 2015
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                               There's a major distinction you are ignoring
Jan 21st 2015
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                                    OK - but that's a distinction based on the assumption...
Jan 21st 2015
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                               RE: And I think the Patriots should be punished
Jan 21st 2015
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                                    not you...
Jan 21st 2015
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                     RE: there's a ton of assumptions with this whole thing
Jan 21st 2015
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Pats should lose 1st rounders in the next 2 years and a 1st rounder in
Jan 21st 2015
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Ban the franchise IMO
Jan 21st 2015
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Lose 1st rounder and suspend Belichick for 2015
Jan 21st 2015
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      so this is as bad as a bounty system?
Jan 21st 2015
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An absolute disgrace to a game we all grew up loving.
Jan 21st 2015
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And the hits just keep coming. What's next??
Jan 21st 2015
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Ban them from the NFL and strip the word "patriot" from the dictionary
Jan 21st 2015
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LOLOL
Jan 21st 2015
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Putting 'gate' and the end of things doesnt make sense
Jan 21st 2015
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tight-end runs into malfunctioning driveway entry caused by Belichick
Jan 21st 2015
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please let there be an actual explanation
Jan 21st 2015
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RE: WTF...NFL investigating possibility that Patriots deflated footballs
Jan 21st 2015
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RE: WTF...NFL investigating possibility that Patriots deflated footballs
Jan 21st 2015
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lol like them links have any similarity to what the patriots did
Jan 21st 2015
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      Over inflating balls doesn't have any similarities to under inflating th...
Jan 21st 2015
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      They overinflate them during the week, the official approves the ball be...
Jan 21st 2015
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           RE: They overinflate them during the week, the official approves the bal...
Jan 21st 2015
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           Rodgers' quote was, allegedly,
Jan 21st 2015
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                RE: Rodgers' quote was, allegedly,
Jan 21st 2015
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                     Naivety at it's finest.
Jan 21st 2015
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                          aka it doesnt say that...cool.
Jan 21st 2015
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                          AKA y'all's blatant bias and hatred is showing...
Jan 21st 2015
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                               its not tampering bc you are allowed to doctor up balls prior to a game
Jan 21st 2015
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                               Oh sure, right. Cause the NFL always does the right thing.
Jan 21st 2015
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                                    lol @ MY bias showing in this situation lololol
Jan 21st 2015
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                                         I don't see you calling for Aaron Rodgers' head.
Jan 21st 2015
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                                              your dumb arod argument already got shot down. nice try.
Jan 21st 2015
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                                                   It actually didn't, at all.
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                                                        RE: It actually didn't, at all.
Jan 21st 2015
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                                                             What's so hard to grasp about the fact...
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                                                                  RE: What's so hard to grasp about the fact...
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                                                                       Hahahahahahaha
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                                                                            RE: Hahahahahahaha
Jan 21st 2015
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                                                                            You, sir, are an idiot.
Jan 21st 2015
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                               RE: AKA y'all's blatant bias and hatred is showing...
Jan 21st 2015
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                                    lol exactly
Jan 21st 2015
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                                    I'm not saying they didn't mess with the rules.
Jan 21st 2015
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                                         yes, when people who have a history of cheating get caught cheating
Jan 21st 2015
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                                         Yea. Maybe if the balls were at 12.5 PSI...
Jan 21st 2015
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                                              yes, bc that was what i've been arguing. You've got me again.
Jan 21st 2015
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                                                   .
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                                         JESUS CHRIST, IMA TRY ONCE MORE
Jan 21st 2015
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                          dude you are trying SO hard
Jan 21st 2015
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      RE: lol like them links have any similarity to what the patriots did
Jan 21st 2015
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           LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Jan 21st 2015
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belichick needs to be suspended for a year ala sean payton
Jan 21st 2015
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Yea let's suspend him for a year...
Jan 21st 2015
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are you serious with this?
Jan 21st 2015
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      Are you serious about suspending a coach for a year
Jan 21st 2015
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           the investigation already proved that the balls were tampered with
Jan 21st 2015
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                You, sir, are an idiot.
Jan 21st 2015
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                You think a NFL headcoach is responsible for the equipment manager?
Jan 21st 2015
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                     you think an NFL HC is responsible cuz his D-players wanna hit hard?
Jan 21st 2015
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                          Is this satire?
Jan 21st 2015
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                               my understanding is there was no endorsement, he just shoulda known
Jan 21st 2015
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                                    Your understanding is wrong
Jan 21st 2015
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                                    not sure why this even needs to be explained
Jan 21st 2015
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If you're gonna do that, why let him coach next week?
Jan 21st 2015
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Well they can do a 'full investigation' after the SB but that do major
Jan 21st 2015
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      I'd prefer they lay down the boom now
Jan 21st 2015
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as a Pats fan I agree. Belichick needs to sit the 2015 season. Period
Jan 21st 2015
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nah, your bias is showing.
Jan 21st 2015
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      lol
Jan 21st 2015
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right cuz this is on par with paying players to injure ppl
Jan 21st 2015
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      surprised it took this long for this dumb ass response
Jan 21st 2015
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man if russell pulls this off = NEW GOD FLOW
Jan 21st 2015
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you mean if skittles pulls it off?
Jan 21st 2015
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      you know who gets the face-time breh
Jan 21st 2015
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funny to hear some pats fans claiming the victim when most people were
Jan 21st 2015
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Harbaugh should have been clowned
Jan 21st 2015
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      and that's my point. Most people have been fair.
Jan 21st 2015
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The Ravens complain now... but it seems odd.
Jan 21st 2015
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lol ravens should just stay out of it at this point.
Jan 21st 2015
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As much as I like the Ravens, they coming off as bitter.
Jan 21st 2015
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what's odd about suspecting a cheater of cheating?
Jan 21st 2015
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      When the facts don't seem to help you.
Jan 21st 2015
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           I dunno, repeated cheating does suggest the Pats are serial cheaters
Jan 21st 2015
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                smoke meet fire
Jan 21st 2015
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Brad Johnson paid to have balls doctored for the super bowl
Jan 21st 2015
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lol @ all these stories about players legally doctoring balls before a g...
Jan 21st 2015
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RE: lol @ all these stories about players legally doctoring balls before...
Jan 21st 2015
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The willful ignorance is mind boggling.
Jan 21st 2015
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i read the article and not sure exactly how they drew this conclusion
Jan 21st 2015
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      This may be the smartest thing you've said in this whole post.
Jan 21st 2015
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      ha, i've actually said that multiple times in here.
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      You're allowed to doctor up 12 balls.
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That wasn't legal. But two wrongs and all that.
Jan 21st 2015
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      You nailed it.
Jan 21st 2015
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           the officials didn't seem to think it was a major issue
Jan 21st 2015
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           Addressed at the half. That's when they were re-checked.
Jan 21st 2015
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                ok cool..
Jan 21st 2015
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           fixed it for you.
Jan 21st 2015
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                Sure. Sucks.
Jan 21st 2015
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                     never argued that they weren't. In fact i never said anything about how
Jan 21st 2015
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                          OK. I probably went a little hard up above...
Jan 21st 2015
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                               Agreed for the most part...the part about where they stand in history
Jan 21st 2015
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                                    Yea. As a Pats fan I hope...
Jan 21st 2015
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                                         I think the pats are in a no win situation at this point.
Jan 21st 2015
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                                              Hahaha. I hope that doesn't happen.
Jan 21st 2015
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Did they use sunscreen?
Jan 21st 2015
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Wait a minute?
Jan 21st 2015
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not me. Belichick done pissed me off
Jan 21st 2015
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Breaking News, the Patriots accused of inflating their confidence.
Jan 21st 2015
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Well, it being discovered at halftime makes me feel better
Jan 21st 2015
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It simultaneously makes me feel better and feel WAY fucking worse.
Jan 21st 2015
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      yeah it's so ANNOYING when my team blatantly cheats constantly
Jan 21st 2015
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           ^^^ favorite team also cheats and still can't win shit.
Jan 21st 2015
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                ^^^^^ writes down words in Scattergories after time is up
Jan 21st 2015
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                     ^^^^ wonders why he keeps losing at Scattergories
Jan 21st 2015
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brew is hilarious.
Jan 21st 2015
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A culture of deceit.
Jan 21st 2015
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      how was that elimination party?
Jan 21st 2015
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           lol
Jan 21st 2015
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           bring some founders
Jan 21st 2015
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           still scheduled. you coming?
Jan 21st 2015
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                by still scheduled, you mean postponed for a 2nd time.
Jan 21st 2015
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                     guy edits his evites like a 15.9 year old girl
Jan 21st 2015
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                          It's on a rolling schedule.
Jan 21st 2015
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I miss when history was written by the winners rather than...
Jan 21st 2015
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side note: Why is this even a rule?
Jan 21st 2015
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Stop. The idea is competitive fairness.
Jan 21st 2015
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      Let the Jags do that. Point is how is comp fairness affected?
Jan 21st 2015
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           dude, stop.
Jan 21st 2015
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           nah i think he's saying why can't offenses use whatever inflated ball
Jan 21st 2015
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           dude
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                and my team prefers to play with a tennis ball
Jan 21st 2015
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                     more reasonable pats fans gotta fight two battles, huh?
Jan 21st 2015
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                     This has nothing to do with the Pats. Wouldn't absolve their case.
Jan 21st 2015
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                          huh
Jan 21st 2015
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                               Notice how I said ''side note''? That means ''setting aside this thing o...
Jan 21st 2015
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                     yards per 1st down and tennis balls are intrinsically different from
Jan 21st 2015
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                          ................
Jan 21st 2015
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                          reconsider your definition of "object"
Jan 21st 2015
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                               the actual structure and build of the product is
Jan 21st 2015
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           bc its football. If you take away the modifications of the ball its now
Jan 21st 2015
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                why can't the net at Islanders game be smaller than at Canucks game?
Jan 21st 2015
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                A few things though
Jan 21st 2015
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                     You are out of your god damned mind.
Jan 21st 2015
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                     the current allowances deal with your question in exactly the
Jan 21st 2015
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                     All sports have specifications for the equipment used.
Jan 21st 2015
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                     Wish Lakers could put a flagpole in the key & lift the basket 6 inches
Jan 21st 2015
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Forfeit the Superbowl
Jan 21st 2015
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/nfl-investigating-whether-patriots-play...
Jan 21st 2015
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LOL saw that yesterday. still cracks me up
Jan 21st 2015
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we deserve whatever punishment is coming
Jan 21st 2015
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Agree 100%
Jan 21st 2015
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I'm pissed as a Pats fan that we have to deal with this image hit
Jan 21st 2015
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      Hold up...what? LOL
Jan 21st 2015
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Hope for the Pats?
Jan 21st 2015
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c'mon...this guy never did anything sneaky or on the low?
Jan 21st 2015
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The Patriots should be disqualified from the Super Bowl (swipe)
Jan 21st 2015
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so then they shouldn't be banned.
Jan 21st 2015
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Yes. The article is terrible and the person who posted it...
Jan 21st 2015
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      If the Colts noticed in their first game...
Jan 21st 2015
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           Where is this being reported?
Jan 21st 2015
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                The initial report from Chris Mortensen of ESPN?
Jan 21st 2015
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                     You don't have to give me the sarcastic question mark, dickhead.
Jan 21st 2015
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                     it simply says sources. it could be league sources.
Jan 21st 2015
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                          in fact the next paragraph:
Jan 21st 2015
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                          Ha - uhm. That's pretty ambiguous.
Jan 21st 2015
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                               please learn to understand language
Jan 21st 2015
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                                    Try taking your own advice.
Jan 21st 2015
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                                         Bro.
Jan 21st 2015
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                          in fact the next paragraph:
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                          You don't have to give me the sarcastic question mark, dickhead.
Jan 21st 2015
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                               you field what comes to you, dingus.
Jan 21st 2015
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                                    I know it's nice to feel like you're bringing down the big bad bully...
Jan 21st 2015
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                                         You are the most vocal person in here
Jan 21st 2015
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                                              Hey when I wasn't aware of something, I asked.
Jan 21st 2015
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                                                   you won't stop posting but admitted to only 'skimming' the
Jan 21st 2015
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                     that raises so many basic questions of the competence of the NFL
Jan 21st 2015
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                          I dunno, maybe cuz Bob Kraft and Roger Goodell bang the same models?
Jan 21st 2015
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                          lol, Goodell probably had a chat with kraft and Bellichek and Bellichek
Jan 21st 2015
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                               have all their conversations in the cone of silence
Jan 21st 2015
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The integrity of the game is at stake
Jan 21st 2015
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lol, how can you make this statement?
Jan 21st 2015
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they make a good team, those two
Jan 21st 2015
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I'm pretty sure Luck was throwing different balls than Brady.
Jan 21st 2015
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fwiw, without comment
Jan 21st 2015
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ah, people are already looking for the spygate excuse?
Jan 21st 2015
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what part of without comment is unclear?
Jan 21st 2015
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      1) why else try it and 2) i know you're a pats fan
Jan 21st 2015
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           you try it to see what abstract numbers mean in real life
Jan 21st 2015
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                you coming to my party or what
Jan 21st 2015
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                     sorry, i demand meat as part of my super bowl festivities
Jan 21st 2015
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                          How about vegan wings?
Jan 21st 2015
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                               vegan wings:real wings::Goodell:competence
Jan 21st 2015
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                                    is that a yes?
Jan 21st 2015
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fwiw, how serious are gold cleats
Jan 21st 2015
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      imma go ahead and assume you thought this made sense
Jan 21st 2015
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           LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU REAL SLOW
Jan 21st 2015
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                do you know what FWIW means?
Jan 21st 2015
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                     FWIW, no he doesn't
Jan 21st 2015
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                          i'm trying to figure out what he thought it meant that would make his
Jan 21st 2015
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                               this is the most controversial "without comment" i've seen
Jan 21st 2015
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at minimum, Belicheck should be suspended for the SB.
Jan 21st 2015
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until they vacate Brady's 50 TD year, I'm boycotting Papa John's forever
Jan 21st 2015
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you'll really show peyton
Jan 21st 2015
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      lmao this post have it all (c) monta
Jan 21st 2015
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      in celery's defense, an OKS boycott of Uggs won't be too effective.
Jan 21st 2015
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           BIG SWIMSUIT, YOU'RE NEXT!!
Jan 21st 2015
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      I was trying to figure out what the connection was
Jan 21st 2015
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      Brady went to a papa john's once.
Jan 21st 2015
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           me, too -- regret it to this day. now I'm making it political.
Jan 21st 2015
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      until they strip his postseason wins, I'LL NEVER BUY A FORD TRUCK AGAIN
Jan 21st 2015
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           hope you're not a fan of wrangler jeans either.
Jan 21st 2015
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If anyone, it should be Brady, but cats are overreacting like hell
Jan 21st 2015
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you are fighting a losing battle all over the place
Jan 21st 2015
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      i think you mean the Raiders
Jan 21st 2015
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And I'm sure that has nothing to do with your 12th-man-itude
Jan 21st 2015
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FYI: Pats were using the lone properly inflated ball for the Kickers
Jan 21st 2015
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They won 45-7 right?
Jan 22nd 2015
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Would it still have been okay if it wasn't a blowout?
Jan 22nd 2015
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it still wouldn't have been asterisk-worthy
Jan 22nd 2015
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      think harder and better, dingus
Jan 22nd 2015
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           They're assholes who push the rules or break them
Jan 22nd 2015
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Do you think the only time they tried was in the AFC title game?
Jan 22nd 2015
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      They musta forgot that the Ravens only lost by 4 pts
Jan 22nd 2015
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Why is everyone assuming the footballs couldnt pass inspection when
Jan 22nd 2015
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If that was the case Brady/Bellicheck should just say that.
Jan 22nd 2015
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      They might. Who knows. Belichick's story is
Jan 22nd 2015
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           bc they allowed this thing to blow up....Brady shoulda just said it on M...
Jan 22nd 2015
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                I think that's simply a matter of protocol tbh
Jan 22nd 2015
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                     so is cheating...don't make it smart or right.
Jan 22nd 2015
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                          is Rodgers cheating when refs don't fix his footballs?
Jan 22nd 2015
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Sherman be trolllllling.
Jan 22nd 2015
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he's master-level.
Jan 22nd 2015
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Seattle is gonna crush these clowns
Jan 22nd 2015
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I think this is a bad matchup for Seattle. This isn't Denver
Jan 22nd 2015
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you must not watch football
Jan 22nd 2015
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Tom's personal preference on his balls...er, footballs (c) Belichheat
Jan 22nd 2015
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Bill knows nothing huh?
Jan 22nd 2015
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it is worth mentioning that those words mean very little
Jan 22nd 2015
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Ain't nothing going to happen, so sit and chill.
Jan 22nd 2015
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i wonder if belichick told brady he'd throw him under the bus?
Jan 22nd 2015
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after Brady's radio interview this sure puts him in a tough spot.
Jan 22nd 2015
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      bill could be telling the truth..i thought he was believable.
Jan 22nd 2015
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      not really. All Brady has to say is
Jan 22nd 2015
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           then the nfl referees say they tested all of the balls and all of them w...
Jan 22nd 2015
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                if 9 out of 10 people
Jan 22nd 2015
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                     the balls are tested by a guage not by hand.
Jan 22nd 2015
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                          he is trying so hard. so so hard.
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                          lol
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                          so tell me how Rodgers gets his past inspection
Jan 22nd 2015
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                               maybe he doesn't? did you think of that?
Jan 22nd 2015
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                                    Rodgers says he gets 11 of 12 balls through? post the link pls cause i
Jan 22nd 2015
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                                    the percentage of
Jan 22nd 2015
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                                         so he never said that...so why we talking about rodgers?
Jan 22nd 2015
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                                         hey guy -- suggestions DO NOT "indicate," they suggest
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                                    of course he does. He wouldn't bother if it never worked
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                                         people pray every day thinking God's gonna answer their prayers
Jan 22nd 2015
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why is this a 400 reply topic?
Jan 22nd 2015
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368
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      RE: 370
Jan 22nd 2015
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lolz these dudes giving tom the business
Jan 22nd 2015
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if neither of these dudes truly has the answers
Jan 22nd 2015
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very smirky today
Jan 22nd 2015
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The funniest thing is the league has 0 proof of who did what
Jan 22nd 2015
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      the league doesn't want proof...at least not in the next 2 weeks.
Jan 22nd 2015
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           Yeah. If they haven't talked to Brady yet...
Jan 22nd 2015
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           Ha! True.
Jan 22nd 2015
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           probably right
Jan 22nd 2015
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           Not like it matters..we've seen what they do w proof
Jan 23rd 2015
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I am on the bandwagon..these the whitest madmakers since Hurley/Laettner
Jan 22nd 2015
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don't see how anyone can be team Brady after that interview
Jan 22nd 2015
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the 2nd half of that AFC game is what makes it more the wild tho
Jan 22nd 2015
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Brady and belicheat turn it up when they are doubted
Jan 22nd 2015
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      *rolls eyes*
Jan 22nd 2015
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           weren't they airing it out late in the 4th qtr of blowouts?
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                not really
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                washington comes to mind
Jan 23rd 2015
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                     uhhh, what???
Jan 23rd 2015
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                          there is no way anyone is mad about kicking a field goal with 13 minutes
Jan 23rd 2015
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                               are you serious? it's a huge "fuck you".
Jan 23rd 2015
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                                    kicking a field goal is a fuck you? since when lol.
Jan 23rd 2015
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                                         dude, field goals are basically guaranteed points
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                                              i have never ever in my life heard someone complain about a field goal
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                                                   i'm of the mind that professional players shouldn't be complaining
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                Shotgun every snap, throwing up 30+ late in the 4th
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                     just by skimming the 4th qtrs, couldn't find one instance of this
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                          no
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                               apology accepted.
Jan 23rd 2015
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because it's really not that deep
Jan 22nd 2015
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the non-tampered balls all measured within regulation
Jan 22nd 2015
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one of those quirky stories that's gonna cost the patriots money
Jan 22nd 2015
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      couple gs is a drop in the bucket.
Jan 22nd 2015
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      They Gonna get fined more than a couple of gs
Jan 23rd 2015
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      He made Mark Brunell want to cry
Jan 23rd 2015
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           Not want, dude was dabbin his eyes.
Jan 23rd 2015
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seriously.
Jan 22nd 2015
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What's an acceptable penalty?
Jan 23rd 2015
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15-yard penalty and a $25,000 fine
Jan 24th 2015
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ok man enough
Jan 23rd 2015
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this stat makes brady/pats look even more stupid.
Jan 23rd 2015
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This whole issue is fricking loser convention
Jan 23rd 2015
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Giants fans can't say shit when NYG were likely faking injuries
Jan 24th 2015
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so only the team that beat the habitual cheaters can complain about chea...
Jan 25th 2015
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i'm a pats fan saying this: that's not the point
Jan 23rd 2015
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That's what makes it worse on the Pats tho.
Jan 23rd 2015
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why do people still think this is the issue?
Jan 25th 2015
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A man who spins bullshit for a living calls bullshit
Jan 23rd 2015
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suspend belichick for two years, brady for one
Jan 23rd 2015
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lol sounds like a jilted AFC rival more than sense
Jan 23rd 2015
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brady's clearly responsible
Jan 23rd 2015
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I stopped at "way worse than bounty-gate".
Jan 23rd 2015
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intentionally injure someone in order to win a game
Jan 23rd 2015
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you can't possibly be serious
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      cmon.
Jan 23rd 2015
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      So I take it you won't be watching the Super Bowl.
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           I will be.
Jan 26th 2015
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what should happen to a team faking injuries at key moments?
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what should happen to a *football* team
Jan 24th 2015
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      cool wordplay.
Jan 24th 2015
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           is the game called injuryball or football?
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                actually killing opposing drives vs ambiguous grip preference
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                     cheating on two plays vs. cheating on every play
Jan 25th 2015
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not necessary
Jan 24th 2015
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do they actually use the pressure gauges? (swipe)
Jan 23rd 2015
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of course they don't use them. At least not always. talk about
Jan 24th 2015
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the globe reports yes so
Jan 25th 2015
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The Pats probably skirt this with a $5 million fine.
Jan 23rd 2015
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anything above a $25,000 fine isn't a skirt
Jan 24th 2015
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Easy, suspend Brady & Belicheat for the Superbowl.. case closed
Jan 24th 2015
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You're serious?
Jan 24th 2015
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The NFL cannot have a Pats SB victory
Jan 25th 2015
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      at least get facts right. damn
Jan 25th 2015
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           I stand by the sentiment of my statement, given that we don't know the f...
Jan 25th 2015
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                Ignorant self righteousness is my favorite type
Jan 25th 2015
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That press conference today was some of the best TV ever lol
Jan 24th 2015
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Lol I was watching in shock
Jan 25th 2015
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He said "I just said that' with such genuine disappointment in that guy
Jan 25th 2015
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he's almost certainly lying, and i don't care at all
Jan 25th 2015
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      pick a side plz
Jan 25th 2015
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           lol
Jan 25th 2015
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Deflate Gate SNL Cold Opening. Tom Brady Saturday Night Live
Jan 25th 2015
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honestly, the funniest part is the NFL really doesn't know jack
Jan 25th 2015
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All this mad making is warming my heart during this cold New England win...
Jan 25th 2015
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video evidence suggests otherwise
Jan 26th 2015
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      "We're still trying to gauge if there was any wrongdoing"
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           Ignorance is not an excuse. (c) Roger G.
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                (a) I, personally, never said it was.
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                     He said it in regards to payton on bountygate.
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                          I know what he said and when he said it.
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                               it's pretty clear. not sure how else I can hit you over the
Jan 26th 2015
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                                    OK so you don't have a point.
Jan 26th 2015
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                                         the point is bill can't claim ignorance
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                                              Hahaha. Yea, cause that would stick.
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                                                   i'm from here. they've been saying 'rogue ball boy' for a week.
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                                                        Good luck with that.
Jan 26th 2015
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                                                             I just realized you're the same dude from above
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                                                                  Yea, again good luck with that.
Jan 27th 2015
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                                                                       You seem to missing all of the aspects of this case
Jan 27th 2015
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                                                                            This dude cites Bill Nye!
Jan 27th 2015
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                                                                                 Do you know what 'cite' means?
Jan 27th 2015
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                                                                                      Grasping at straws man.
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                                                                                           Keep telling yourself this is irrelevant
Jan 27th 2015
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                                                                                           Hahahaha dogg - the more you grasp
Jan 27th 2015
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                                                                                           There is no grasping.
Jan 27th 2015
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sure hope the sherman post gets locked too, fascists.
Jan 26th 2015
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we are almost at 500. a pt 2 post is very reasonable
Jan 26th 2015
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      that was my thinking
Jan 26th 2015
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Analyst: Patriots Fumble at a ‘Nearly Impossible’ Rate(swipe)
Jan 26th 2015
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lol. They're about to bring in Marisa Tomei as an expert witness
Jan 26th 2015
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yes that is the joke billy cheater made on Saturday.
Jan 26th 2015
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this part right here really seals it
Jan 26th 2015
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1 foot in fire, 1 in ice. Average says you should feel fine.
Jan 27th 2015
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I already brought that up in post #48 but nobody wanted to hear it
Jan 26th 2015
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isnt Ridley out of the league cuz he couldn't hang on to the ball?
Jan 26th 2015
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that's the false narrative, yes
Jan 26th 2015
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      Ahhhhhhhhh makes sense.
Jan 27th 2015
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this is really important because it tells us how long it's been going on
Jan 26th 2015
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"Nearly impossible" yet they are 2nd in the league
Jan 27th 2015
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      I'm not a jersey tornado scientist
Jan 27th 2015
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           Not all plays are created equal.
Jan 27th 2015
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                Well
Jan 27th 2015
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                     I'd like to see that too.
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                          Looking like 2% more likely on rush than pass
Jan 27th 2015
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STFU Kraft
Jan 26th 2015
473
Robert Kraft out here power tripping.
Jan 26th 2015
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That was fantastic.
Jan 26th 2015
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He's gonna cut off the premium mac and cheese supply
Jan 26th 2015
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      how so? he has nothing to do with Kraft Foods
Jan 26th 2015
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           thanks for clearing that up
Jan 26th 2015
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                no sweat
Jan 26th 2015
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                lmao
Jan 27th 2015
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NFL focusing on video of Patriots' locker-room attendant (swipe)
Jan 26th 2015
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"Bernie Madoff of the NFL"...get real sissy. He's arguably the goat.
Jan 26th 2015
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      You forgot to mention Ray Lewis talking about asterisks...
Jan 26th 2015
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      THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING WITH DIFFERENT FOOTBALLS
Jan 27th 2015
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Jerry talking about it
Jan 27th 2015
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Great - another blowhard...
Jan 27th 2015
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Same Jerry who won on star-studded teams built by cap cheats?
Jan 27th 2015
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      what's it like in the world you live in?
Jan 27th 2015
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           logical
Jan 27th 2015
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                wow.
Jan 27th 2015
                wow.
Jan 27th 2015
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#90secondsgate
Jan 27th 2015
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the nfl didn't leak it without reason.
Jan 27th 2015
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The NFL leaked it to try and save face...
Jan 27th 2015
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      wait.
Jan 27th 2015
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      Wat, dude.
Jan 27th 2015
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      So what exactly do you think happened?
Jan 27th 2015
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           Speaking of not knowing the facts...
Jan 27th 2015
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           I am following this more closely than anyone
Jan 27th 2015
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                Apparently not.
Jan 27th 2015
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                     Give me one example of me not knowing the facts?
Jan 27th 2015
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                          Give me one example of a fact...
Jan 27th 2015
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                               Again, you simply cannot pay attention.
Jan 27th 2015
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                                    Oh I'm paying full attention. You're contradicting yourself...
Jan 27th 2015
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                                         Please point out contradictions.
Jan 27th 2015
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                                              Dude. Seriously. Get some sleep.
Jan 27th 2015
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                                                   Everyone knows I hate the Patriots. Are you new here?
Jan 27th 2015
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                                                        It's already been explained to you all clean and tidy.
Jan 27th 2015
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                                                             again, saying nothing.
Jan 27th 2015
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           the most likely scenario is
Jan 27th 2015
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                ^^^ I wasn't even gonna touch the Colts/Luck thing...
Jan 27th 2015
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                you continue to amaze me
Jan 27th 2015
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                     lol what? you gotta be trolling now
Jan 27th 2015
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                          you just suggested the video is of the man pissing
Jan 27th 2015
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                               ^^^^ CLINGING
Jan 27th 2015
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                               clinging to what?
Jan 27th 2015
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                                    Difference between my argument and yours is that...
Jan 27th 2015
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                                         So Bill 'called their bluff'
Jan 27th 2015
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                                              It's pretty evident you're dead set on having the last word...
Jan 27th 2015
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                                                   It's much more unlikely
Jan 27th 2015
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                               lol no I didn't. I think you need sleep
Jan 27th 2015
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                                    RE: lol no I didn't. I think you need sleep
Jan 27th 2015
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                                         its time. Just get it over with and become a Patriots fan.
Jan 27th 2015
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      Not Goodell, Mike Kensil.
Jan 27th 2015
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           Oh right.
Jan 27th 2015
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                Tell me more about how 11 footballs can be deflated...
Jan 27th 2015
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                You're a real genius at this.
Jan 27th 2015
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                     Grasping man.
Jan 27th 2015
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                          Yet again, nothing to say.
Jan 27th 2015
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                               I say nothing now because...
Jan 27th 2015
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                               Head in the sand.
Jan 27th 2015
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                               I was at Applebee's with my dad when Bo got hurt.
Jan 27th 2015
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                                    how tf old are you? I was like 8.
Jan 27th 2015
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                                         9
Jan 27th 2015
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                                              you old as fuck and you were at the Harris Inn not Applebees
Jan 27th 2015
567
                                                   Harris Inn in Pelham? nope
Jan 27th 2015
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                So then who leaked it?
Jan 27th 2015
544
                     You really want to join this team of weirdos?
Jan 27th 2015
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                          If Goodell was so desperate to foster his relationship with Kraft...
Jan 27th 2015
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                          Right, the NFL didn't investigate Rice thoroughly enough.
Jan 27th 2015
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                          So, again, who is leaking these stories?
Jan 27th 2015
568
                               So now Mort, Schefter, and Glazer
Jan 27th 2015
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                               Third times the charm: Who is leaking the stories?
Jan 27th 2015
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                                    You're confused, I see now.
Jan 27th 2015
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                                         The leak leak makes zero sense.
Jan 27th 2015
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                                              The report was under inflated balls
Jan 27th 2015
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                                                   Cause Roger is a moron.
Jan 27th 2015
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                                                        I'm not buying that the league
Jan 27th 2015
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                               And the Harbough story is days-old at this point
Jan 27th 2015
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      ^ said it all for me. And u gotta love all this new faith in refs lol
Jan 27th 2015
511
           wingus and dingus here
Jan 27th 2015
514
                And you're...what, defending the NFL?
Jan 27th 2015
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                     Right. Because the league makes a mistake
Jan 27th 2015
527
                          Distancing ourselves eh?
Jan 27th 2015
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                               You literally cannot read.
Jan 27th 2015
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                                    Which is something I will not do.
Jan 27th 2015
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                                         So I was right, once again
Jan 27th 2015
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                                              I laugh at your loser mentality.
Jan 27th 2015
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                                                   I laugh at someone who's self esteem is tied to football
Jan 27th 2015
548
                                                        I laugh at attempts at personal attacks...
Jan 27th 2015
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                                                             I have no reason to deflect.
Jan 27th 2015
554
LOL comedians are gonna be having a field day with this
Jan 27th 2015
505
90 seconds is more than enough time to deflate 11 footballs
Jan 27th 2015
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      Now you're making stuff up.
Jan 27th 2015
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           regulation footballs went into the bathroom
Jan 27th 2015
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                Again, you're making stuff up.
Jan 27th 2015
585
                     don't stop believin'
Jan 27th 2015
586
                          What are you talking about?
Jan 27th 2015
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Maybe just maybe, Goodell sucks at his job.
Jan 27th 2015
587
A better commish coulda brushed this under the rug eventually
Jan 27th 2015
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      A league with integrity problems
Jan 27th 2015
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the biggest non-story in sports history
Jan 27th 2015
589
the country's biggest sports league
Jan 27th 2015
593
Did you read this before you posted it?
Jan 27th 2015
597
      he not being serious. fuckin league has a team named redskins
Jan 27th 2015
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      75% serious
Jan 27th 2015
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           you do understand half the country will watch the Super Bowl?
Jan 27th 2015
614
      what is unclear?
Jan 27th 2015
603
I can't believe this post has 100 replies less known over 500
Jan 27th 2015
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      600
Jan 27th 2015
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      you think cheating is OK.
Jan 27th 2015
602
DRASTIC change, post-rule, in Pats' fumble rate (LINK):
Jan 27th 2015
606
I been trying to point that out this whole time
Jan 27th 2015
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but the stats, tho. that shit is damning. like, casinos wouldn't fk
Jan 27th 2015
609
I misread at first, thought it said Warren Sapp
Jan 27th 2015
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what else have they been doing?
Jan 27th 2015
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      winning ;-)
Jan 27th 2015
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wrong thread
Jan 27th 2015
613

ThaTruth
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1. "That's why I say Belicheat & Brady's entire legacy is tainted, we only....."
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know about the times they've been CAUGHT cheating, how many times have they gotten away with it or the league swept it under the rug?

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33. "He'll go down in history the same way LaRussa did. . . "
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admired and thought of as a great coach, when in reality everybody should have looked a little harder.

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2. "If you ain't cheating you ain't trying"
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3. "Wouldn't this have helped the Colts too if it were really true?"
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8. "each offense usually uses their own ball"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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17. "nevermind...just heard that's not true"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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22. "apparently i was right...home team provides the balls which are kept on"
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each teams sidelines and in the possession of the ball boys. PAts could have deflated the balls after receiving them from the officials.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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20. "It benefits the team that knows more"
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The QB who KNOWS the balls are softer knows that he can rocket what would otherwise need to be a touch pass because the receiver is going to be able to catch it.

  

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23. "They had different balls, and it was evident by touch. which is how the"
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whole thing came evident, after the colts INT.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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4. "Honestly, if true, they should forfeit the game"
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It's the only thing that will stop them, and they're making a mockery of the league

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5. "What does weighing a ball do?"
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10. "refs probably thought something was off with the ball and weighing it"
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Would be a good first indicator.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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18. "Weight is a more likely indicator in cold weather"
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They could have put enough air in the balls that then went soft in the cold and still had been following the rules; the weight of the balls and their content would not have been altered by the temperature, but the pressure may have been.

  

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6. "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL"
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You guys will believe literally anything. Such a joke. I actually feel bad for all of you.

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7. "So the outcome would have been different otherwise? cmon...."
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9. "I don't think people are debating the outcome"
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12. "so what? if you're cheating, you get punished"
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28. "lol - this is much ado abt nathan...."
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refs check every ball before the snap. If they didn't find a problem with it then the ball was legal.
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29. "check it how?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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LegacyNS
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40. "like they physical handle every football prior to the snap"
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If something was that out of wack they would have replaced the football. They do the same thing if the football is too wet which I'm sure happened quite a bit since it was raining.


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71. "handling every ball isn't the same as checking them"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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92. "they kinda do it a lot... lol.. some might say they're experts...."
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they'll know if something is off with the footballs man.. They switch out footballs all the time... If the officials didn't catch it to me that means the footballs were acceptable to use.

I heard Dilfer talk about it and he said the ball can vary by about a pound or so...

It's whateva....I just think this is Patriots hate bait.. lol
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19. "That's irrelevant. Cheating isn't a relative measure "
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27. "the officials check every ball put into play.. lol"
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96. "ehhhhhh ... likely not much BUT"
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Indy has nooooooooooooooo running game and deflated balls impact the pass not the 'hand-off' ... Blount dominated the Colts!

Pats would've still won but why the fluck did this have to even be in play?

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11. "A pattern of systemic rulebreaking, cheating, and exploitation of rules...."
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Cancel the Super Bowl.

  

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13. "see Brew's response."
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LMMFAO. Why does this always follow the Pats man?

  

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16. "Because they are cheaters? "
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cmon man get it together.

  

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21. "and it was the ref who noticed, not the opposing team"
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24. "nah, latest report says it was after the interception that the colts rea..."
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something was up...went down the chain of command and reached nfl officials.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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14. "Pats have been using the Nerf Vortex for years now. "
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How is this news?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox27e5q9fbI

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15. "Marshawn Lynch grabbed his dick (c) Caucasian sports fans"
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25. "Waiting For Ray Lewis to speak on it"
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26. "Gronk thinks he did it"
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30. "Even if true, non-fucking-story."
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http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4776728/jim-nantz-phil-simms-discussion-adds-context-to-deflated-football-talk

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34. "Simms is talking about QBs not RBs"
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RBs prefer a deflated ball b/c it easier to hold onto especially in wet conditions. The Pats were running the ball much more than they were throwing it & the Colts had a nonexistent running game so deflating it would be to the Pats advantage.

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Stay focused.

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35. "lol. simms was talking about a qb who admitted regularl breaking the rul..."
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Stay focused.

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36. "Wat."
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39. "And Simms told THAT story to point out how different Rodgers is"
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Like, he was surprised Rodgers liked an over-inflated ball, suggesting that just about every other quarterback would prefer a softer ball for better grip.

Plus, the deflated, easier-to-hold ball would be an advantage for NE's running game, as suggested above.

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42. "Breaking the rules is breaking the rules."
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"No, he pumps them up MORE which most people don't like" is not an effective argument.

Although I think the key difference here is that they are looking to see if the Patriots deflated the ball AFTER the refs had checked them. Which is different from what Rodgers said; he said he overinflated them and hoped they passed inspection.

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48. "Not to mention Blount has a history of coughing up the ball"
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>Plus, the deflated, easier-to-hold ball would be an advantage
>for NE's running game, as suggested above.

The much maligned DeMarco Murray has a total of 13 fumbles in his career on 934 carries meanwhile Blount has 13 fumbles on just 704 carries.

Considering the conditions were wet & that Belichick's game plan was using Blount to bulldoze the Colts D-line to submission it won't be far fetched to claim it was to the Pats advantage to deflate the ball especially against a team which had a nonexistent running game.

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77. "seems like Aaron is talking about before the game and before the refs"
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Approve it.

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31. "i'm surprised goodell hasn't destroyed the footballs by now"
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"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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32. "no one in the nfl offices knew of their existence."
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51. "lol"
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..|.,

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37. "So lemme get this straight"
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Belichick is caught cheating multiple times and he will still go in the HOF. However, Barry Bonds is accused of cheating and won't get into the HOF. Yet you can't name 3 players better than Barry Bonds when he was in the game.

Is that about right?

I know its different sports, but still.

  

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38. "You make a great point. "
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41. "that's gonna change tho.. Barry & Roger getting in eventually.."
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43. "there are a zillion issues with the baseball HOF"
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and all of them are related to cranky old men.

  

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250. "As I said above, see LaRussa, Tony"
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The guy who caked up and ringed up the most off of juiced players, and he's just seen as this lovable drunk vegetarian lawyer and tactician.

Just so long as you don't look at journeyman, replacement-level pitchers suddenly pitching career-best seasons, Mark McGwire's entire career, and Albert Pujols's tenure with the Cards.

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339. "DING!"
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44. "11 of 12 Pats' footballs under-inflated *swipe*"
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11 of 12 Pats' footballs under-inflated
By Chris Mortensen | ESPN.com
Updated: January 20, 2015, 11:09 PM ET

The New England Patriots had 11 of their 12 allotted game footballs under-inflated by 2 pounds of air (PSI) as required by NFL regulations, according to league sources either involved or familiar with the investigation of Sunday's AFC championship game when the Patriots beat the Colts 45-7 to advance to their sixth Super Bowl.

"We are not commenting at this time," said Greg Aiello, the NFL's senior vice president of communications.

Troy Vincent, the league's senior executive vice president of football operations, said earlier Tuesday that the NFL expected to wrap up its investigation in "two or three days."

Yet to be determined is what, if any, penalties may be imposed upon Patriots. One source described the league as "disappointed ... angry ... distraught," after spending considerable time on the findings earlier Tuesday.

Part of the investigation that still needs further vetting is how the 11 footballs became under-inflated. The game balls provided to each team for preparation were required to be inspected and approved by referee Walt Anderson two hours and 15 minutes before kickoff before they were returned to each team. No alteration of footballs is allowed once they are approved, under league rules and regulations.

The balls are required be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

"We have been in complete cooperation with the league and will continue to do so," said Patriots spokesman Stacey James.

http://espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id/12202450/nfl-says-new-england-patriots-had-inflated-footballs-afc-championship-game

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45. "ESPN deleted their tweet too."
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https://digife.com

  

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46. "Not Sports Center (link)"
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https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/557753696390758400

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47. "So once again they broke the rules"
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and the balls were apparently 'tampered' with after the ref approved them.


How quickly can Goodell shove this under a rug?

  

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49. "He will get on it right after he finishes issuing a fine to Marshawn"
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>How quickly can Goodell shove this under a rug?

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54. "The footballs will be destroyed "
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55. "Well, that sucks."
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Still love the Pats but this type of stuff can make it hard to defend them. Still root for them but this sucks.

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130. "Did they check the Colts' footballs?"
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This doesn't look good but there's more info I'd like to hear so (hopefully) it pans out for the Pats.

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134. "yeah, i wondered that too."
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190. "i was thinking of that missed Vinateri kick."
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He's capable of missing FGs like any other kicker but when you think about the trajectory of that miss it makes me wonder

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199. "They use different balls for kicks I believe"
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234. "oh ok."
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respect the gift.

  

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50. "https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B72TVHiIgAE0p7s.jpg"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B72TVHiIgAE0p7s.jpg

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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52. "the pats make yall furious"
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It's an art

  

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68. "^ lol best reply"
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53. "is it really an issue if they can't say how the balls got deflated?"
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the balls passed the initial inspection. do the refs/league not keep the submitted balls until gametime? i think i read they get the balls on friday. seems like a refs/league issue no?

unless the pats just deflated them shits on the sidelines during the game. in which case i have to applaud the brazenness of the operation

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56. "That's usually how it goes."
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That's what happened with USC when they got busted although the ref caught it during the game.

I mean, there's a lot to hope for in terms of the investigation but it seems like the balls passed inspection and then were below regulation. The cold can cause some issues but I'm also pretty sure they try to keep the footballs warm on the sideline.

It especially sucks because it was completely unnecessary.

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57. "it was 50 degrees"
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it wasn't cold

  

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58. "it was more for the rain"
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61. "what was"
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the temperature?

  

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"Well then..."


          

I've been in LA too long. Shit looked cold to me.

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60. "I'm a REAL NEW ENGLANDER"
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was a warm spring ass day in January

  

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189. "The irony in that statement"
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201. "I'm well aware"
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59. "fukk em... they cheat...that's what they do...cheated us in the"
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super bowl...

I mean if payton got a year for bounty-gate..... Belichek been caught cheatin in the post season....again...

  

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62. "cheated us FIRST"
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63. "who"
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64. "don't be DENSE"
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80. "why on earth would I know who your team is sara???"
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lol..

us...

really???

  

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81. "you're an idiot. "
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84. "lol.. I didn't even know you posted outside of fantasy football"
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season..

if it were the last question on that millionaire show... "name one of sara's teams in any sport" ...I'd be assed out....lol..

not a clue..

  

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85. "everyone else has known for a decade"
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you're dumb

  

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90. "everyone else pays attention to you... I don't....lol.."
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356. "LOL"
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65. "The Raiders got jobbed before the Rams"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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74. "just finally things are looking up for the raiders too"
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82. "looking up for the Raiders???"
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what did Steve Grogan and them cheat the Raiders...lolol..

  

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83. "shieeeeet"
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i'm taking Carr, Mack, Murray, Jackson, Carrie, and Ellis over like...anyone on the Rams. so.

  

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86. "if you were really a raider fan...."
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you could probably guess what my response to this is going to be...

  

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87. "wait for it..."
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89. "bam!!!!"
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http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554354

  

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66. "1: How do refs handle the footballs every play and miss it?"
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69. "oso its the refs now LOL"
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the approved the balls and then at game time they all wrong? LOL MUST BE THE REFZ

  

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204. "^^^ How do refs handle the footballs every play and miss it?"
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that's where I'm at

we're suppose to believe a defensive player gets a INT

and immediately notices

but not the refs?

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223. "makes no sense, and if"
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They in fact just couldn't tell the difference after handling them every play, then another thing is maybe the legal range should be expanded. Beyond that, I'm not even fully sure why teams can't have their footballs inflated/deflated to whatever they like anyway. If both teams were allowed to do it, what would be the issue? I'm digressing though.

Honestly, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around all these refs handling he balls evey play and not noticing anything, and then a player who never touches the football suddenly being like "this one feels different"

But whatever. Maybe...

  

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254. "Next logical question, how many times have they done this previously"
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it's being reported

that the deflated ball issue actually came up earlier in the year

in the NE @ IND regular season game

and was reported to the league

also, it is being reported that the balls were then inflated at half time

so somebody knew this was going on during the game

the whole thing is very strange.

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317. "Yeah. The refs actually"
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got the heads-up in the first half, and I think they had the Pats switch to a backup batch for second half, but not sure on that. Also, I think they let play go on with OG balls for rest of first half after they were made aware.

How long has Brady's footballs bent rules like this? Probably years, just like Rodgers and a bunch of other QBs.

I believe it was the Saltimore Ravens who Bubblezed on them right? Nuff said

  

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67. "2: This gameball management system sounds retarded"
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70. "not having fulltime refs is r-worded"
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considering the league makes billions and billions. PAY THEM.

  

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72. "Belicheck furious that 12th ball not deflated properly(ESPN swipe)"
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73. "Tomorrow he gonna claim"
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'he didn't know what the rules were'

when two weeks ago he was the rulebook mastermind.

  

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91. "Nah, they'll blame a ballboy or feign ignorance"
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95. "^^^^^^^^this isnt a real swipe "
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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229. "Would be a good Onion headline"
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75. "makes elis rings even more impressive"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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76. "Eli is our true lord and savior"
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98. "not even"
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everyone messes with the game balls:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/sports/football/eli-mannings-footballs-are-months-in-making.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=2&adxnnlx=1421845962-8PLFC6ToiaolMm4ngkWrig

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101. "but only the cheatriots do it after the balls have been approved by the ..."
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refs.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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104. "there's a ton of assumptions with this whole thing"
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We're assuming it was done after the refs approved the game balls.

We're assuming that the refs even really check the game balls before approving.

We're assuming that the Patriots are the only team doing this.

It's all pretty stupid. My guess is that every team does this to some extent, but everyone hates the Patriots so they get snitched on when other teams wouldn't. The Patriots are shady, no doubt but the other teams are whiny bitches.

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105. "PRETTY FUCKING MUCH"
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>It's all pretty stupid. My guess is that every team does this
>to some extent, but everyone hates the Patriots so they get
>snitched on when other teams wouldn't. The Patriots are
>shady, no doubt but the other teams are whiny bitches.

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107. "Rule 1. Don't cheat. Rule 2. If you gonna cheat, don't get caught."
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Rule 3. If you cheat and get caught, don't get caught cheating again.

If you already know you've gotten caught cheating and you have a target on your back,(bc everyone else is whiny bitches) maybe you should stop cheating.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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128. "I agree with this point"
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>If you already know you've gotten caught cheating and you have
>a target on your back,(bc everyone else is whiny bitches)
>maybe you should stop cheating.

The Patriots are stupid for doing this. They were going to thump the Colts any way. Why even bother with is? Now instead of talking about how impressive they looked, we're talking about some under-inflated balls.

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126. "RE: there's a ton of assumptions with this whole thing"
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>We're assuming it was done after the refs approved the game
>balls.

That is what this is about. Not an assumption.

>
>We're assuming that the refs even really check the game balls
>before approving.
>

HAHAHAHA. Okay, so for the AFCCG the refs just showed up to the stadium and decided not to check the balls because...why?


>We're assuming that the Patriots are the only team doing
>this.

We have no evidence of anyone else doing this or reason to think they are.

>
>It's all pretty stupid. My guess is that every team does this
>to some extent,

Well, looking who is making assumptions now lol

but everyone hates the Patriots so they get
>snitched on when other teams wouldn't. The Patriots are
>shady, no doubt but the other teams are whiny bitches.

Get caught cheating repeatedly, blame everyone else for cheating you assume they did but just weren't caught. Sounds like America!



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136. "RE: there's a ton of assumptions with this whole thing"
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There are plenty of stories out there about teams messing with game balls. I heard something on the radio this morning about how this happens everywhere whoever the source of the quotes was has worked. Everyone does it and no one ever says anything. Like all of the stupid unwritten rules of baseball.

So why wouldn't the refs check the game balls? because maybe they never do. We all have jobs (supposedly). I'm sure we all have tasks that we're supposed to be doing routinely that almost always get skipped and then skipping that task becomes the routine. I don't know. I'm not there to witness any of this and am also making assumptions, but maybe actually weighing and checking the games balls before a game is something that refs just don't do. They just place the check mark in the box and keep moving. Just because it's written as what they are supposed to do, doesn't mean they are doing it.

And the link somewhere else in this thread about the heating up of the game balls during the Vikings (my favorite team) game can be relative to this situation. They were messing with the balls during the game. Where was the outrage then?

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140. "RE: there's a ton of assumptions with this whole thing"
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>There are plenty of stories out there about teams messing
>with game balls. I heard something on the radio this morning
>about how this happens everywhere whoever the source of the
>quotes was has worked. Everyone does it and no one ever says
>anything. Like all of the stupid unwritten rules of baseball.
>

Not much anyone can say to that. Unknown radio station callin-show guest is not really gonna cut it for me.

>
>So why wouldn't the refs check the game balls? because maybe
>they never do. We all have jobs (supposedly). I'm sure we
>all have tasks that we're supposed to be doing routinely that
>almost always get skipped and then skipping that task becomes
>the routine. I don't know. I'm not there to witness any of
>this and am also making assumptions, but maybe actually
>weighing and checking the games balls before a game is
>something that refs just don't do. They just place the check
>mark in the box and keep moving. Just because it's written as
>what they are supposed to do, doesn't mean they are doing it.
>

Yeah, you are the one making wild assumptions at this point. It's the AFCCG. Maybe they didn't do it, but that stretches credulity.

>And the link somewhere else in this thread about the heating
>up of the game balls during the Vikings (my favorite team)
>game can be relative to this situation. They were messing
>with the balls during the game. Where was the outrage then?
>

Vikings were fined by the league, were they not?

Also there is something much sneakier and insidious about deflating all your game balls than there is about heating up the balls on the sideline on a cold day.

Regardless, Vikings got punished and deservedly so.

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142. "And I think the Patriots should be punished"
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but vacating their place in the Super Bowl and what not is a bit extreme.

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145. ""A bit" extreme?"
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It's patently absurd.

Per the NFL rulebook, a tampering with footballs violation carries with it a $25k fine. Hardly an NFL felony. But it's the Patriots so the media is blowing it up meaning Goodell will probably have to do something more than that. Even though there's been two reported incidents of people talking about tampering with footballs THIS SEASON that went fucking ignored. Because it wasn't the Patriots.

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180. "There's a major distinction you are ignoring"
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There's tampering with the balls BEFORE the ref check and there's tampering with ball AFTER it's already been checked. The latter is a step beyond the former and circumventing that referee assessment.

Are you surprised that a team which has been caught cheating before (particularly when consider it was in games of the greatest magnitude) and gets caught again for doing something illegal (again, in a game of great magnitude) is going to create a huge uproar?

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186. "OK - but that's a distinction based on the assumption..."
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>There's tampering with the balls BEFORE the ref check and
>there's tampering with ball AFTER it's already been checked.
>The latter is a step beyond the former and circumventing that
>referee assessment.

...that the refs didn't miss something before the game. If Rodgers is claiming he's gotten away with over-inflating balls and getting them past the refs' pre-game inspection, who's to say the Pats didn't do the same thing (only underinflating)? There's no proof (yet) that the Pats had the right PSI pre-game then doctored the balls afterwards (that I know of, at least..if I missed that let me know). Maybe the refs just missed it (like they have with Rodgers' footballs) and it was brought to their attention later.


>Are you surprised that a team which has been caught cheating
>before (particularly when consider it was in games of the
>greatest magnitude) and gets caught again for doing something
>illegal (again, in a game of great magnitude) is going to
>create a huge uproar?

Nah - I shouldn't be, at least. It's more annoying than surprising.

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174. "RE: And I think the Patriots should be punished"
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I have said not one word about vacating anyone's place in the SB

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197. "not you..."
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but media outlets (Michael Wilbon, for example) have said as much. People are going to extremes here. It's ridiculous.

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156. "RE: there's a ton of assumptions with this whole thing"
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>>We're assuming it was done after the refs approved the game
>>balls.
>
>That is what this is about. Not an assumption.
>
>>
>>We're assuming that the refs even really check the game
>balls
>>before approving.
>>
>
>HAHAHAHA. Okay, so for the AFCCG the refs just showed up to
>the stadium and decided not to check the balls because...why?
>
>

The same reason why experienced pilots with 1000's of flight hrs fail to set the correct flap settings at takeoff and crash.,,complacency


>>We're assuming that the Patriots are the only team doing
>>this.
>
>We have no evidence of anyone else doing this or reason to
>think they are.
>
>>
>>It's all pretty stupid. My guess is that every team does
>this
>>to some extent,
>
>Well, looking who is making assumptions now lol
>
>but everyone hates the Patriots so they get
>>snitched on when other teams wouldn't. The Patriots are
>>shady, no doubt but the other teams are whiny bitches.
>
>Get caught cheating repeatedly, blame everyone else for
>cheating you assume they did but just weren't caught. Sounds
>like America!
>
>
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78. "Pats should lose 1st rounders in the next 2 years and a 1st rounder in"
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Year 4. Repeat offender and in a champion ship game?

Million dollar fine....if it wasn't the super bowl I'd say suspend him a game.

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79. "Ban the franchise IMO"
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188. "Lose 1st rounder and suspend Belichick for 2015"
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209. "so this is as bad as a bounty system?"
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lulz.

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88. "An absolute disgrace to a game we all grew up loving."
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...AGAIN.

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93. "And the hits just keep coming. What's next??"
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Dirty bastids

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94. "Ban them from the NFL and strip the word "patriot" from the dictionary"
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You all aren't overreacting enough.

  

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100. "LOLOL"
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Nice.

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97. "Putting 'gate' and the end of things doesnt make sense"
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People need to stop doing it

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99. "tight-end runs into malfunctioning driveway entry caused by Belichick"
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Antonio Gates' gait gate gate.

  

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102. "please let there be an actual explanation"
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Like a broke pressure gauge or something.


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103. "RE: WTF...NFL investigating possibility that Patriots deflated footballs"
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http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/11218/nfl-aware-of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12201369/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-upset-referees-take-air-footballs

http://nesn.com/2015/01/graham-gano-explains-football-air-pressure-issue-twitter-doesnt-buy-it/

Like many/most Patriots fans', I'm mad at nobody but whoever on the Patriots sanctioned thisbecause (a) it was totally unnecessary and (b) gives morons like you all more fodder to try and call into question their greatness.

But, as always, this type of shit is NOT why they win and they are NOT the only team doctoring footballs. They're just under a constant microscope forever because they keep winning and they had cameras in the wrong areas in 2006 and previous.

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109. "RE: WTF...NFL investigating possibility that Patriots deflated footballs"
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What do you Pats fans not understand about the difference between overinflating a ball BEFORE inspection, hoping it passes AND tampering with the balls after inspection.

11 deflated balls, except one for the kicker.



Stop with the plea cops. It's no one else's fault and YES, the Patriots are cheaters.

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111. "lol like them links have any similarity to what the patriots did"
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specially the aaron rodgers one.

this says it all tho...

>They're just under a constant microscope forever because they keep winning and they had cameras in the wrong areas in 2006 and previous

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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112. "Over inflating balls doesn't have any similarities to under inflating th..."
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That's strange.

And yea, you're right, that does say it all. WINNING

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116. "They overinflate them during the week, the official approves the ball be..."
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the game and takes the air out to proper levels. The Packers use those balls.

The pats are being accused of deflating the ball after its been approved by the refs. So no, if that did in fact happen, its not the same as what Aaron did/does. not even close.

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119. "RE: They overinflate them during the week, the official approves the bal..."
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>the game and takes the air out to proper levels. The Packers
>use those balls.
>
>The pats are being accused of deflating the ball after its
>been approved by the refs. So no, if that did in fact happen,
>its not the same as what Aaron did/does. not even close.


Exactly

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121. "Rodgers' quote was, allegedly,"
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"I hope that the refs don't notice but if they do we handle it"

Totally dissimilar, though.

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127. "RE: Rodgers' quote was, allegedly,"
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>"I hope that the refs don't notice but if they do we handle
>it"
>
>Totally dissimilar, though.


Yes. It is.



Please point me to where he says they take tamper with the air in the balls AFTER inspection?

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131. "Naivety at it's finest. "
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135. "aka it doesnt say that...cool."
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141. "AKA y'all's blatant bias and hatred is showing..."
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might want to try a little harder cover that up.

So, tampering with footballs and "hoping the refs don't notice" isn't cheating. But, (allegedly) tampering with balls after the refs check them pre-game (or perhaps before...clearly they didn't notice during the first half) IS cheating. Got it.

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143. "its not tampering bc you are allowed to doctor up balls prior to a game"
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Its up to the refs to approve or fix the balls.


>So, tampering with footballs and "hoping the refs don't notice" isn't cheating. But, (allegedly) tampering with balls after the refs checked them pre-game (or perhaps before...clearly they didn't notice during the first half) IS cheating. Got it

Has rodgers ever been punished for overinflating the balls? They have definitely got 'caught' doing it, whether they got warned, disciplined and punished for it will tell you if it falls under cheating.

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144. "Oh sure, right. Cause the NFL always does the right thing."
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>Has rodgers ever been punished for overinflating the balls?
>They have definitely got 'caught' doing it, whether they got
>warned, disciplined and punished for it will tell you if it
>falls under cheating.

If Ray Rice really beat the piss out of his fiance on that elevator, Goodell will suspend him accordingly and will absolutely not pay a favor to his friend in the organization and try and sweep it under the rug. Oh wait ....

Again, your bias is showing and my kids are in the room. Please have some decency.

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148. "lol @ MY bias showing in this situation lololol"
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151. "I don't see you calling for Aaron Rodgers' head."
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Be consistent bruh.

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152. "your dumb arod argument already got shot down. nice try."
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154. "It actually didn't, at all. "
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167. "RE: It actually didn't, at all. "
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Yes, it did. What A-Rod did is legal because it was BEFORE the refs inspect the balls!!!!!


What is so hard to grasp about this?

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173. "What's so hard to grasp about the fact..."
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that if he over-inflates the balls, and the refs just happen not to catch it, HOW IS THAT NOT STILL FUCKING CHEATING?! The rule says it's supposed to be X PSI. Rodgers has his balls at Y PSI. The refs miss it.

HOW IN THE HOLY FUCK IS THAT NOT CHEATING?!?!?!?!

The refs didn't catch the Pats until halftime. THE PATS WERE STILL CHEATING BEFORE HALFTIME.

And what's funny about all this is that they actually dominated the Colts EVEN FURTHER once the tampering was found and dealt with.

But anyway ----- cheating is cheating whether or not you get caught. So no, the ARod argument was ABSOLUTELY NOT proven wrong. You guys just refuse to acknowledge that cheating is cheating, whether or not you get caught. And this type of shit happens ALL THE TIME.

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177. "RE: What's so hard to grasp about the fact..."
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>that if he over-inflates the balls, and the refs just happen
>not to catch it, HOW IS THAT NOT STILL FUCKING CHEATING?! The
>rule says it's supposed to be X PSI. Rodgers has his balls at
>Y PSI. The refs miss it.

Did this happen? And if it did, it would be against the spirit of the rules BUT not illegal. Which is a distinction that cannot possibly be lost on a Pats fan.

>
>HOW IN THE HOLY FUCK IS THAT NOT CHEATING?!?!?!?!

Because the rulebook says that is fine.

>
>The refs didn't catch the Pats until halftime. THE PATS WERE
>STILL CHEATING BEFORE HALFTIME.

If you mess with the balls after referee inspection, you cheated. Those are the rules. Sorry they are not some other rules that you clearly wish existed.

>
>And what's funny about all this is that they actually
>dominated the Colts EVEN FURTHER once the tampering was found
>and dealt with.

Outcome of the game is irrelevant.

>
>But anyway ----- cheating is cheating whether or not you get
>caught. So no, the ARod argument was ABSOLUTELY NOT proven
>wrong. You guys just refuse to acknowledge that cheating is
>cheating, whether or not you get caught. And this type of shit
>happens ALL THE TIME.

Is it against the rules to overinflate the balls prior to referee inspection?

Is it?

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181. "Hahahahahahaha"
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DOGG - the fucking RULES that you keep referencing, the RULES state that a game ball needs to be X PSI. The balls Rodgers uses are doctored so they are Y PSI and the refs miss it. The refs miss it, but the RULES are still being fucking broken.

THAT IS CHEATING. YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON.

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192. "RE: Hahahahahahaha"
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>DOGG - the fucking RULES that you keep referencing, the RULES
>state that a game ball needs to be X PSI. The balls Rodgers
>uses are doctored so they are Y PSI and the refs miss it. The
>refs miss it, but the RULES are still being fucking broken.
>
>THAT IS CHEATING. YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON.


Where does it say overinflated balls made it into competition?


Where does it say that it's illegal to tamper with them BEFORE ref inspection?

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193. "You, sir, are an idiot."
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147. "RE: AKA y'all's blatant bias and hatred is showing..."
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Those are literally THE RULES!!!!

Last week, everyone was laughing at Harbaugh because he "needs to get a rulebook", and now, suddenly, the specifics of the rules are unimportant?



The Patriots got caught cheating. Blatantly.


I used to work in schools and you sound like a little kid who gets in trouble and starts crying with snot running out his nose, trying to say everyone else he can think of in the class who maybe could have broken the rules too.

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149. "lol exactly"
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>Last week, everyone was laughing at Harbaugh because he "needs to get a rulebook", and now, suddenly, the specifics of the rules are unimportant?

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150. "I'm not saying they didn't mess with the rules."
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Show me where I said that. In this instance, it appears they certainly did.

But what's frustrating is that, just because it's the Patriots, this is blowing up into a massive story...when JUST THIS YEAR two other instances of football tampering have come up and gone ignored. That's frustrating. Yet when presented with that evidence, you idiots are like "welllll butttttttt THE PATRIOTS CHEATED" and that's that.

Well then, everyone else did too. Why aren't we calling for McCarthy to be suspended for a year? What about The Vikings/Panthers game? Etc.

The media blows it up because it's the Pats, and people like you all react like it's the most egregious offense in NFL history. It's blatant bias.

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155. "yes, when people who have a history of cheating get caught cheating"
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again during the game that gets them into the SB it is a big story.

Is that the big reveal you were going for?

You got me.

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165. "Yea. Maybe if the balls were at 12.5 PSI..."
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the Colts would've won 7-3.

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168. "yes, bc that was what i've been arguing. You've got me again."
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182. "."
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Wed Jan-21-15 10:39 AM by LA2Philly

  

          

.

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162. "JESUS CHRIST, IMA TRY ONCE MORE"
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>Show me where I said that. In this instance, it appears they
>certainly did.
>

YES

>But what's frustrating is that, just because it's the
>Patriots, this is blowing up into a massive story...when JUST
>THIS YEAR two other instances of football tampering have come
>up and gone ignored. That's frustrating. Yet when presented
>with that evidence, you idiots are like "welllll butttttttt
>THE PATRIOTS CHEATED" and that's that.

No. And I am going to be extra clear here:

We pointed out that the Vikings were punished by the league (although what they were doing is less insidious, it was definitely breaking the rules)

We also pointed out that what the Packers did is completely legal and thus NOT CHEATING. It seems to go against the spirit of the rules but hey, so do the Patriots ineligible receiver plays. Neither of them are actually ILLEGAL.



>
>Well then, everyone else did too. Why aren't we calling for
>McCarthy to be suspended for a year?

McCarthy DID NOT BREAK ANY RULES AS FAR AS WE KNOW. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO THE BALL PRIOR TO INSPECTION

What about The
>Vikings/Panthers game? Etc.
>

VIKINGS GOT IN TROUBLE

>The media blows it up because it's the Pats, and people like
>you all react like it's the most egregious offense in NFL
>history. It's blatant bias.

PATRIOTS HAVE A HISTORY OF CHEATING AND WERE PLAYING IN THE AFCCG. IS IT THAT HARD TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND????

When Josh Gordon got suspended again everyone was like, yeah WTF is wrong with this guy BECAUSE he has a long history of this. Same with Suh's stomp on Rodgers. It's not complicated. Suh stomps on someone in the field of play during the NFCCG its a bigger story than if Larry English does it during a week 7 loss to the Browns.

For Christ's sake, don't insult your own intelligence

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232. "dude you are trying SO hard "
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117. "RE: lol like them links have any similarity to what the patriots did"
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These cats really think that they are somehow victims of their own success, and everyone is just out to GET THEM.

Giants have won two SB's since the last time Pats won. Matter fact, it's been a long, long time since the Patriots won a title but somehow every player, referee and league official is out to get them, in some sort of jealousy fueled jeremiad against the Patriots winning culture.



NO. YOUR COACH IS A CHEATER. DEAL WITH IT.

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125. "LOLOLOLOLOLOL"
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Jesus you guys are fucking naive as hell.

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106. "belichick needs to be suspended for a year ala sean payton"
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pattern of behavior and already got hit with the half milly fine
sit him down for a year after the superbowl

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108. "Yea let's suspend him for a year..."
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before anyone even has any proof that he sanctioned this. There's justice.

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114. "are you serious with this?"
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118. "Are you serious about suspending a coach for a year"
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132. "the investigation already proved that the balls were tampered with"
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so basically you want it to hinge on whether they can prove if the person who bears responsibility for the discipline of the staff and players knew about it?
nah
too difficult to prove and really it doesn't matter. did they even prove that he knew for spygate?
punish the coach with suspension and punish the fucking owner with draft picks

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133. "You, sir, are an idiot."
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139. "You think a NFL headcoach is responsible for the equipment manager? "
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159. "you think an NFL HC is responsible cuz his D-players wanna hit hard?"
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164. "Is this satire? "
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He endorsed a program that rewarded injuries caused....

hold on, why is anyone even comparing this shit?

  

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170. "my understanding is there was no endorsement, he just shoulda known"
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like literally they suspended him ostensibly for failing to control his organization and allowing it to happen. They didn't have any indication that Sean Payton was in any way responsible for the execution of bounties for injuries, but because they made a whole dog and pony show they needed to string someone up at the end otherwise they'd look dumb.

Because the truth is the players wanna hit. What coach in the world would coach his players against hitting? Yet Payton sat out a year over it.

But anyway, yeah, it's idiotic to speculate about any of it (your "the equipment manager is so far below the coach" quip as well).

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185. "Your understanding is wrong"
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and again...why that is even being talked about here is some dumb SPMism.

  

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212. "not sure why this even needs to be explained"
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>like literally they suspended him ostensibly for failing to
>control his organization and allowing it to happen. They
>didn't have any indication that Sean Payton was in any way
>responsible for the execution of bounties for injuries


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110. "If you're gonna do that, why let him coach next week?"
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113. "Well they can do a 'full investigation' after the SB but that do major"
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damage to the 'shield' if the pats won the SB.

I think we'll see a hefty fine and loss of multiple picks.

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226. "I'd prefer they lay down the boom now"
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Just get it over with. Aint nothing worse for a fan than to have to defend some shit like this leading into the Super Bowl and having to live it down in general. It really ticks me off for real. I would prefer they suspend him the Super Bowl and the 2015 season and lose picks. Just drop the boom.

  

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187. "as a Pats fan I agree. Belichick needs to sit the 2015 season. Period"
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He's getting on my nerves.

  

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194. "nah, your bias is showing."
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213. "lol"
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208. "right cuz this is on par with paying players to injure ppl"
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214. "surprised it took this long for this dumb ass response"
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115. "man if russell pulls this off = NEW GOD FLOW"
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123. "you mean if skittles pulls it off?"
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run defense is the pats weakness
russ needs to game manage this one and make us all happy

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124. "you know who gets the face-time breh"
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i feel you tho

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120. "funny to hear some pats fans claiming the victim when most people were "
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clowning harbaugh for his complaints the week before.

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129. "Harbaugh should have been clowned"
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If you see a formation you don't understand, you call a timeout. You don't let it happen a few times and then rush out and get a 15 yard penalty even though the refs literally said, "Don't cover 34" and the Ravens defense still did.

This is a different issue entirely.

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137. "and that's my point. Most people have been fair."
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harbaugh was some bs...this was legit. Public and okp reaction is reflecting that. Some pats fans are playing the 'victim' card.

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122. "The Ravens complain now... but it seems odd."
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24981269/some-baltimore-ravens-think-footballs-were-under-inflated-vs-patriots

While the balls are supplied by the home team, the Ravens would have kept their footballs on their sideline, no? Also, how would the kicker not have been able to tell when they went out there. The Colts supposedly could tell during an interception.

If the Ravens have a problem, it would seem that the footballs that the refs okayed before the game were underinflaed. In that case, it's exactly I'd say the error is on the side of the refs.

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138. "lol ravens should just stay out of it at this point. "
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146. "As much as I like the Ravens, they coming off as bitter. "
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157. "what's odd about suspecting a cheater of cheating?"
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169. "When the facts don't seem to help you."
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172. "I dunno, repeated cheating does suggest the Pats are serial cheaters"
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seems like the facts fully support the suspicion of cheating here.

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153. "Brad Johnson paid to have balls doctored for the super bowl"
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158. "lol @ all these stories about players legally doctoring balls before a g..."
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coming out now like they are somehow relevant to what the patriots are accused of doing.

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160. "RE: lol @ all these stories about players legally doctoring balls before..."
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"However, just as Aaron Rodgers prefers an over-inflated ball, Johnson's bribe of an NFL representative suggests quarterbacks are willing to go to extraordinary lengths to ensure a football meets their standards."

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166. "The willful ignorance is mind boggling."
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175. "i read the article and not sure exactly how they drew this conclusion"
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>Johnson's bribe of an NFL representative

bc the article talks about him paying someone to doctor the ball prior to the game. What nfl representative was bribed?

If true however, Johnson wasn't a caught cheater.

Once you get caught cheating once, you probably should leave cheating alone.

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176. "This may be the smartest thing you've said in this whole post."
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>Once you get caught cheating once, you probably should leave
>cheating alone

I'm annoyed with the Pats for even engaging in this BS because they don't need it and it gives fodder to the haters.

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195. "ha, i've actually said that multiple times in here."
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183. "You're allowed to doctor up 12 balls."
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Johnson did all 100. That is illegal.

  

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163. "That wasn't legal. But two wrongs and all that."
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The only thing you can get out of these stories is that the cheating is commonplace. Which means its different from Spygate which was beyond normal but it's still cheating if true.

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171. "You nailed it."
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And that's why it's so frustrating. Every single team, every single QB, every single organization, is sneaky trying to gain an advantage. The Pats happened to get caught doing it. I'm not sure why. But to act like the REASON they are winning is because they're doing the SAME SHIT EVERY ELSE IS is what's frustrating. Not to mention people act like they are the only team engaging in this type of behavior. Super frustrating.

But oh well.

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178. "the officials didn't seem to think it was a major issue"
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during the game. And if it was such a big issue why wasn't it addressed between quarters or at the very least at halftime..

I just don't think it matters that much..


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217. "Addressed at the half. That's when they were re-checked."
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>during the game. And if it was such a big issue why wasn't it
>addressed between quarters or at the very least at halftime..
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>I just don't think it matters that much..

The were checked twice each, with two separate gauges, at halftime, in response to the Colt's complaints. This is according to an article in the Boston Globe.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/20/nfl-says-patriots-used-under-inflated-footballs/7UlPZI3eotRTBadM89saeO/story.html?hootPostID=06e727cf7eb74d8c08f7ee6ba4a3371e

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249. "ok cool.. "
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I still don't think it matters than much.. here's why..

If they didn't inflate the balls at halftime the it just wasn't that important.

If they did:

Score with deflated "advantage": 17-7
Score without "advantage:: 28-0

So fine them, punish them, etc according to whatever the rulebook says but in the end NE was just better than Indy..




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179. "fixed it for you."
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>The Pats happened to get caught doing it more than once.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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184. "Sure. Sucks."
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Still one of the two best teams in the league.

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196. "never argued that they weren't. In fact i never said anything about how"
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good or bad the patriots are or how good/bad bellichik is as a coach or anything to that fact in that post.

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198. "OK. I probably went a little hard up above..."
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considering you aren't really one of the people I'm angry about/at.

Fact is I'm supremely frustrated with the Pats for even feeling the need to do bullshit like this, if in fact this is a systemic thing with the deflation and bullshit like that. They are too good to need it and it just gives fodder to the angry anti-Pats people in the media who will run with this. And some people, yes, are using this to say the Pats shouldn't be where they are and are only there because of cheating. Furthermore, it's as if people think they are the only team that tries to gain every advantage and skirts rules, which they aren't.

It's all frustrating. But bottom line is there's no one to be mad at, if it turns out this was a sanctioned process, besides whoever in the Pats org keeps allowing this bullshit to take place. They don't need it. And it gives uninformed people the impression that they do.

My head hurts.

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200. "Agreed for the most part...the part about where they stand in history"
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blah, blah, blah is an argument for a better day which is why i only had that eli joke up above.

Especially since all the facts aren't out yet, any discussion about the pats in history is waaaaay premature.

But it is a baaad look like you said, especially bc i do think that the pats are one of the better franchises, but i think a reasonable/unbiased person can look at these situations in relation to the pats and open up some more doubt about their greatness.

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203. "Yea. As a Pats fan I hope..."
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they find nothing as far as intentional deflating of the balls but I'm not confident. Just hope it doesn't travel all the way to the head coach.

I really think in the scheme of things, this is like ... nothing. Other teams clearly try and tamper with the balls and the Pats skirted the rules maybe a little TOO much (if it's proven to be true) and deserve any punishment they get. I just hope it isn't super severe, because I really don't think this is the type of offense that creates a MAJOR advantage. And I think time will allow the chips to fall into their proper place as far as their place in history, where this shit will be mentioned but won't be a major blip. I don't really see how it could be.

But still - it's fucking obnoxious that I'm sitting here listening to the local radio pundits wax intellectual about the fucking weight of footballs, rather than listening to strategy for the upcoming goddamn Super Bowl. Fucking straight up obnoxious.

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206. "I think the pats are in a no win situation at this point."
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There is like a zero trust in the nfl that they can handle a situation honestly so even if a ref came out and said they were guilty of deflating the balls people would still think some shady ish went down lol.

If the pats win and belichik gets punished harshly it will take away from the win.

if the pats lose it will be bc the balls were the proper weight lol



best bet for the pats is that belichik and brady are suspended for the SB but the pats win anyway

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207. "Hahaha. I hope that doesn't happen."
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161. "Did they use sunscreen?"
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191. "Wait a minute?"
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There are Patriot fans actually trying to downplay the Pats cheating?

A team that had to give up draft picks because they crossed the line before?

Like for real?

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227. "not me. Belichick done pissed me off"
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I've spent every morning at my gym arguing with cats because of this silly ass coach and his retarded ways. I want him gone for the season. Gone for the super bowl if possible.

  

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205. "Breaking News, the Patriots accused of inflating their confidence. "
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210. "Well, it being discovered at halftime makes me feel better"
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I mean, not about the cheating but that the Patriots went on a 28 - 0 run with correctly inflated footballs.

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211. "It simultaneously makes me feel better and feel WAY fucking worse."
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It's like - yea, we have proof for the anti-Pats people that yea, they don't need to pull this BS to dominate teams. That's awesome. Proof in the pudding.

But then it's like ---- we have proof that they don't fucking need it, SO WHY DO THEY DO IT AND EVEN MAKE IT A CONVERSATION??

So. Fucking. Annoying.

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216. "yeah it's so ANNOYING when my team blatantly cheats constantly"
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i'm like belichick, can you not???

  

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218. "^^^ favorite team also cheats and still can't win shit."
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Moron.

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219. "^^^^^ writes down words in Scattergories after time is up"
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220. "^^^^ wonders why he keeps losing at Scattergories"
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215. "brew is hilarious."
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this is pathetic behavior. I hate that my team didn't respond to getting busted by being an entirely clean organization. It's pathetic. I hope it doesn't go up the chain far, like an equipment manager overheard someone say they like underinflated balls and boom...acted on his own. but i doubt that's it.

also, i blame ernie adams for everything shady, btw. dude is like the Dick Cheney of the Patriots.

that said, this whole before or after the refs check thing is like saying cocaine isn't a drug because crack is worse. It's the same thing--the ball has to be a certain PSI and weight. that's the rule. follow the rule. refs shouldn't have to catch you trying to cheat for the rule to be followed.

in men's lacrosse, they check the depth of one's pocket and the shooting strings location. Some guys would push their strings up or having illegal pockets and hope not to be the guy spot checked by the refs, or would trade sticks with someone with a legal pocket and then swap back on the sideline later. the refs didn't catch them. THEY CHEATED.


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221. "A culture of deceit. "
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222. "how was that elimination party?"
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225. "lol"
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239. "still scheduled. you coming?"
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240. "by still scheduled, you mean postponed for a 2nd time."
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245. "guy edits his evites like a 15.9 year old girl"
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224. "I miss when history was written by the winners rather than..."
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228. "side note: Why is this even a rule? "
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If Aaron likes it overinflated, Tom likes it underinflated, what's the issue?

Natural limits would kick in, cuz who the hell is gonna opt for a huge rock or a floppy brown beret...but even if they DID, its their own funeral. If a team would rather make it harder on themselves to complete a pass, let them. If, on the other hand, each team has their own preferred sweet-spot, let them. If the preference on a given day (say, 10 lbs in cold weather) is universally held between all teams (its not, but sake of argument), why prevent that?

  

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237. "Stop. The idea is competitive fairness. "
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No rule and the Jaguars are bringing out floppy uninflated balls on Sunday.

  

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242. "Let the Jags do that. Point is how is comp fairness affected?"
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243. "dude, stop. "
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how inflated a ball is can have an impact on throwing, catching, and holding it.

thus, to ensure that everyone have the same opportunity, the ball's inflation is controlled. it should be the same (or as near to the same as possible) for everyone. if the pats were undermining that basic equality, it's cheating. as is any effort to not follow a rule designed to create a completely fair playing field.
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246. "nah i think he's saying why can't offenses use whatever inflated ball"
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they want. That would be fair to every team.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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248. "dude"
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>how inflated a ball is can have an impact on throwing,
>catching, and holding it.
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If each team can do it, that's up for them to work out


>thus, to ensure that everyone have the same opportunity, the
>ball's inflation is controlled.
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If Jordy likes a soft ball, Lacy likes a pancake, and Aaron likes a rock balloon, that's up for them to negotiate among themselves. The other team's skill players are unaffected. They get their own balls to have their way.

Obviously the extremes would never happen which is why its doubly silly to have a rule over it.


> it should be the same (or as
>near to the same as possible) for everyone. if the pats were
>undermining that basic equality, it's cheating. as is any
>effort to not follow a rule designed to create a completely
>fair playing field.
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This isn't about whether its cheating if its against the rules and one team breaks it. That's another convo. I said "sidenote"


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>Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt
>after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario
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258. "and my team prefers to play with a tennis ball"
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equipment needs to be defined in all ways so that it can be consistent. why play with a 10 yard down? i think that's dumb! let home teams decide how far between 1st downs for their home field!

it's an arbitrary line drawn at a reasonable scale and agreed upon by the participants and held consistent in order to ensure the same basic game is played in every stadium. soccer teams have pissing contests about watering or not watering the field.

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262. "more reasonable pats fans gotta fight two battles, huh?"
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one against the world and one against your allies?

  

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294. "This has nothing to do with the Pats. Wouldn't absolve their case."
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302. "Notice how I said ''side note''? That means ''setting aside this thing o..."
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the Patriots and whether they broke the rules", I'd like to talk about the rule itself.

If both teams are told something is illegal, and only one team follows the rules, that means the other team broke the rules and should be penalized.

  

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298. "yards per 1st down and tennis balls are intrinsically different from"
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both teams having the same established, agreed-upon object and simply adjusting its air to their own liking.

The whole league would have to agree on 15-yard first-downs or a switch to tennis balls. This is more like how high do you wear your socks, how long are your cleats, what spacing diatances do you use between linemen, how far back does your QB line up in shotgun, do you prefer 13 psi or 12 psi, super scuffy, slightly scuffy or freshly glossed

  

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303. "reconsider your definition of "object""
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what makes a football a "football?" why is shape and size somethign that has to be regulated, but not air pressure? cmon.

everything in sports is arbitrary. this is but one of the arbitrary things that is controlled in football.

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309. "the actual structure and build of the product is"
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fundamental change, while the amount of air put inside it is a gradient




  

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244. "bc its football. If you take away the modifications of the ball its now"
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another sport lol. The rule isn't in place to make everything fair, because if one team can use a pancake shaped ball and so can another team that is completely fair.

Like in baseball, if there were no specifications to the ball and teams could used pea sized balls, it would be fair, it just wouldn't be baseball.

All sports have specifications for the equipment used.

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263. "why can't the net at Islanders game be smaller than at Canucks game? "
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ITS JUST NOT FAIR!!

  

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1. A football was never meant to pose its own challenge to achieving the tasks of the sport. It was designed and redesigned through the years to be more cooperative, especially with regards to making it better for throwing. It would not in any way go against the spirit of its design for quarterbacks to adjust the inflation based on their own handling and throwing preferences. The fact that it gets harder to handle in bad weather isn't a purposefully built-in feature. Players can wear gloves, they can adjust the length of their cleats, even opt out of spikes altogether and wear sneakers in the rain even (yet nobody does). Teams can do all kinds of other things to make the balls more suitable, the inflation level seems pretty arbitrary as a red line.

2. Extreme adjustments like pancakes or extremely wide and rock-hard balls would benefit no team, so it would never happen. If a run-heavy team just deflated it completely, then the opposing D could just completely sell out against the run cuz that thing isn't flying anywhere. Let them try though, it would be a fun and failed experiment immediately. In reality, it would never happen.

3. The Baseball analogy is off, because the pitcher and batter (opponents) have equal roles with the ball. Letting the pitching team choose the condition of the ball to the point of making a hit nearly impossible takes baseball out of baseball. The receivers and DBs have the same task: catching. Making an impossible-to-catch ball would hurt both sides equally and cancel out the impact.



  

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299. "You are out of your god damned mind."
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On #3 alone - the defense never gets the ball? Never ever? They never deflect passes? Intercept them? Recover fumbles? Strip the ball out of someone's hands?

  

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same way.

A defender would have an easier time stripping the ball if its glossy, yet since the defense in general is not considered in "possession" of the ball, the offense gets to choose the condition of the ball, with restrictions, some of which are flagrantly arbitrary, like 12 vs 10 psi

  

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305. "All sports have specifications for the equipment used."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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231. "http://www.theonion.com/articles/nfl-investigating-whether-patriots-play..."
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/nfl-investigating-whether-patriots-played-game-wit,37805/

  

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It's pretty obvious nothing will happen before the Super Bowl, nor do I think you can do a full investigation on the matter in that time, but I can't blame the NFL for being pissed that they have to deal with this in the 2 weeks leading up when the story should be 2 very evenly matched teams going against each other in what could be a classic.

We'll probably just get a fine and draft pick or two taken away, but if Bill gets suspended I can't be mad. As Goodell said about Sean Payton (words he himself should follow, but we can get into that later) "Ignorance is no excuse." So even if he didn't know about this (doubtful since it was 11 balls) I won't be surprised if it falls on his head.

Is it likely other teams do the same? Sure. Is it weird the refs didn't notice when they were handling the balls during the game? Sure. Is it likely other teams spy? Sure. Do I think some of the rumors about us are just paranoid delusions from teams that hate us and they're taking advantage of our bad reputation? Yeah. But none of that matters. We should've been keeping our noses clean after spygate. This is all on us.

  

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325. "I'm pissed as a Pats fan that we have to deal with this image hit"
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YET AGAIN. If Belichick was aware of this, I want him gone for the Super Bowl and gone all of next year.

  

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Off the team and out of the league? This place is fucking nuts.

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In an interview, Gil Brandt, the former longtime vice president for player personnel with the Dallas Cowboys and a current analyst for N.F.L. Media, had the same question.

Q. How would the Patriots get deflated balls into the game?

A. That’s the $64 question. The officials do a great job of being sure everything is up-to-date. With all the procedures they take, I find it hard to believe that someone could take two bags of 12 balls and deflate them. I don’t see where you could go with this large bag of balls. Do you lock yourself in a room? It’s not very feasible.

Q. Why would a team deflate the balls?

A. The only advantage is when it’s 12.5 to 13.5 pounds of pressure and someone puts it down to 11.5, supposedly it’s easier to throw. But it seems so far off the charts that someone would do that and not get caught beforehand.

Lane Kiffin at U.S.C. got caught deflating balls a few years ago, so anything’s possible.

Q. If it was done in college, why not in the pros?

A. Anything is possible, but it is highly improbable. If you’re down on the sidelines and taking a ball out of the bag, which logistically you’d have to do, you could be seen.

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247. "c'mon...this guy never did anything sneaky or on the low?"
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that was laughable

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251. "The Patriots should be disqualified from the Super Bowl (swipe)"
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belichick is the single biggest threat to the credibility of the NFL there's ever been. don't understand how goodell can be all over bounty-gate and concussions while ignoring the fact that THE TEAM THAT KEEPS CHEATING KEEPS ENDING UP IN THE SUPER BOWL. suspend repeat offender belichick for two years minimum (and anyone else involved for one), take away the pats next two 1st rounders.

and that would actually be a slap on the wrist compared to what really should go down: a lifetime ban, effective immediately. dude is straight-up making people question the authenticity of results. i watched dan herron, who caught like 20 recs the first two playoff games, suddenly drop two or three big ones (one that probably would've scored) in the first half against the pats, and i'm questioning how easy it is for a deflated football to bounce off your hands when you're expecting something else. i watched andrew luck complete ONE pass to a wide receiver in the first half, and i'm questioning how hard it is to accurately throw a deflated football when you're expecting something else.

at what point does the NFL realize how damaging this is to the game? bounty-gate was wrong, but it never made me question the result of games. same with the concussion thing, ray rice, etc. i never questioned the results. SPYGATE MADE ME QUESTION RESULTS. DEFLATE-GATE IS MAKING ME QUESTION RESULTS. AND IT'S THE SAME TEAM, THE SAME COACH. this is the NFL's quiz show scandal, the one that led to congressional action and ended TV quiz shows in the '50s. they need to get as far out in front of this as possible before the pitchforks really come out.


http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/patriots-deflate-ball-super-bowl-disqualified-penalties-sanctions

The Patriots should be disqualified from the Super Bowl
By: CHRIS CHASE 4 hours ago

Cheat on a test in school? You fail, no questions asked.

Cheat on your taxes, the IRS will find you. It won’t be pretty.

Cheat on a World Cup bid and, well, you probably get awarded that World Cup, but that’s neither here nor there.

The New England Patriots cheated in the AFC championship. As such, the team should be disqualified from the Super Bowl.

Deflating 11 of 12 balls in Sunday’s game, as has been reported by ESPN, is a major violation and something that had a great effect on the game. Given the number of deflated balls, it’s almost impossible this was accident, meaning that someone in the New England organization willfully tampered with the rules to give his team an advantage. That’s cheating.

The penalty should be simple: Ban ‘em.

Of course, it’s not realistic to disqualify New England from the Super Bowl. What’s the NFL going to do, bring back the Colts to replace them? Hold a loser-bracket between Denver and Indianapolis? That’s not feasible. Just because the Pats should be DQ’d doesn’t mean they will or could.

But, again, they should. The evidence is all there, assuming Chris Mortensen’s report is correct. Former NFL referee Gerry Austin was on Mike and Mike this morning and said officials check the PSI of all footballs two hours before the game. At halftime, New England’s footballs (each team has different balls during the game) were found to be two-to-three pounds lighter. Someone deflated the balls. There’s no debate here.

The defenders of New England have been even more laughable than they were during the videotape controversy of 2007. “It doesn’t even help that much!” Sure it doesn’t. That’s why they were doing it. Of course it helps. Deflating gave Brady an easier grip on the ball (at least in the first half; there’s question about whether the balls were re-inflated at half time when it was 17-7). It also left Andrew Luck with the harder footballs in the colder weather.

Would a level playing field have affected the game? It ended 45-7, so it’s doubtful. But obviously throwing a deflated ball helps, plus the placebo effect is powerful and maybe Brady knowing he had an easier ball to throw helped. And Luck using inferior equipment, or thinking that it was hard to throw in such conditions, may have had a similar impact on his psyche.

If it’s found out that Bill Belichick knew anything about this, even after the fact, Draconian sanctions are the only way to go. He was fined $500,000 for the videotaping controversy, which is a substantial amount of money, but is hardly going to break a man who makes many, many millions in a single season. (No one really knows exactly how much the Pats’ coach makes, but it’s thought to be over $7 million). If Sean Payton gets suspended for an entire year because of Bountygate, Belichick deserves at least the same thing. He affected the sanctity of the game and fairness of one of the three biggest battles of the year.

But since Roger Goodell has been showing the backbone of an invertebrate (they don’t have backbones in case you, like me, forgot seventh-grade science), an eight-game suspension seems fair. Draft picks should be taken away, not for one year, but for two or three, because the Pats are always picking toward the end of the first round anyway. Or take away some salary cap space, like the league unjustly did to the Washington Redskins and Dallas Cowboys.

This isn’t to say I don’t have a grudging respect for the Pats. It’s not cheating if you don’t get caught and they weren’t caught during the game. They somehow got around the biggest mystery of this controversy — how the officials, who handle the balls in between every play, didn’t notice the changes — with ease.

But I’ll happily blame the Patriots for being skeezy once again. I’ll blame Belichick because, as Goodell said about Payton during Bountygate, the head coach is supposed to know what’s going on with his team. I’ll blame Tom Brady who clearly knew the balls were deflated but is getting off scot-free in this controversy because he’s the Golden Boy and is handsome and is married to a supermodel. (It’s amazing how no one criticizes Brady. He’s just as guilty as the others.) But there’s blame for others too.

How on earth does the NFL, which regulates everything from shoe color to the way players gyrate in the end zone, let teams keep 12 footballs in their own possession during the game. That’s like a teacher leaving the room during an exam.

It doesn’t matter though. The NFL will turn a blind eye once again. There will be minor sanctions, this controversy will dominate the news cycle for a few days and then fade into the ether and we’ll move onto something else. But in the here and now, if the report is true, the New England Patriots should be hit hard. But they won’t and the Pats legacy will grow even more.

With a Super Bowl win in two Sundays, people will be inclined to say Bill Belichick is the greatest coach of all time. But at what?

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252. "so then they shouldn't be banned."
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>Of course, it’s not realistic to disqualify New England from the Super Bowl. What’s the NFL going to do, bring back the Colts to replace them? Hold a loser-bracket between Denver and Indianapolis? That’s not feasible. Just because the Pats should be DQ’d doesn’t mean they will or could.

turrible article..i stopped reading here.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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255. "Yes. The article is terrible and the person who posted it..."
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...didn't even get his facts right so, bad post overall. Specifically this part:

>and that would actually be a slap on the wrist compared to what >really should go down: a lifetime ban, effective immediately. dude >is straight-up making people question the authenticity of results. i >watched dan herron, who caught like 20 recs the first two playoff >games, suddenly drop two or three big ones (one that probably >would've scored) in the first half against the pats, and i'm >questioning how easy it is for a deflated football to bounce off >your hands when you're expecting something else. i watched andrew >luck complete ONE pass to a wide receiver in the first half, and i'm >questioning how hard it is to accurately throw a deflated football >when you're expecting something else.

Each team provides 12 of its own footballs. So...there goes all that BS above.

The Pats stomped the Colts. And, provided it's true that the Pats sanctioned this deflating bullshit, that's what makes it so frustrating. They didn't NEED this shit. It was totally unnecessary and taints what is otherwise nothing less than a fully dominating performance of a lesser opponent to get to yet another Super Bowl.

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how long have the Patriots been doing this? Maybe they didn't need it Sunday but in the past? To get where they are?

This rabbit hole goes deep, perhaps.

  

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This is the second time I'm seeing this in this post but I haven't seen this report yet. Provide it if you have it, please.

>how long have the Patriots been doing this? Maybe they didn't
>need it Sunday but in the past? To get where they are?

I mean...if someone's gonna make the claim that slightly deflated footballs that the refs somehow never noticed is the reason for 12-4/13-3/14-2/etc. records and constant trips deep into the playoffs I'm gonna call them insane, but to each their own.


>This rabbit hole goes deep, perhaps.

If it goes that deep then I hate Bill Belichick forever. Seriously.

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260. "The initial report from Chris Mortensen of ESPN?"
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http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12202450/nfl-says-new-england-patriots-had-inflated-footballs-afc-championship-game

Sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter on Wednesday that the Colts had concerns about underinflated balls after their regular-season game against the visiting Patriots on Nov. 16.

During that game, Colts safety Mike Adams twice intercepted Tom Brady and gave the balls to the Colts' equipment manager to save -- and both times there were concerns about the balls feeling underinflated, sources told Schefter.

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Why are you commenting so much about this when you don't even have the facts that the lead source on this scandal is presenting?

  

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265. "You don't have to give me the sarcastic question mark, dickhead."
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I asked a simple question, I skimmed the article this morning. Fuck you.

Moving on - when unnamed "sources" from a losing team are coming forward 2 months later I'm skeptical. I'll wait til some things are confirmed.

Nonetheless, I'm annoyed with the Pats and if it turns out this happened intentionally, whether once or 100x, there's no one to blame but the Pats and I will be pissed.

But I'm not gonna start chastising them til I know who the sources are and whether or not there's any truth to them. Just as I'm gonna hold off any real vitriol towards my team til it's confirmed that they were definitely pulling this shit, whether Sunday only or on the regular.

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266. "it simply says sources. it could be league sources."
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you know, the people that would have fielded the complaint?

you really shouldn't hold on so tight because when it all falls apart - it's going to hurt a lot more.

  

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267. "in fact the next paragraph:"
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Those sources said the Colts raised concerns to the league, which was aware of the issue going into this weekend's AFC title game.

^^indicates that it may not be the colts as the 'source'^^

  

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271. "Ha - uhm. That's pretty ambiguous."
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Actually, totally ambiguous. That doesn't indicate one way or the other.

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273. "please learn to understand language"
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the source appears to refer to the colts in the third person.

if it was the colts, they might *likely* word the article to say something like 'a source from the colts said they sent a complaint to the league...'

not that basically...'the source says that the colts sent a complaint.'

  

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276. "Try taking your own advice."
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The line you quoted also refers to the league in a "third person" fashion, making it ambiguous as to which entity the "source(s)" came from.

Wow.

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277. "Bro."
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You initially implied that you couldn't trust the source because it was from the Colts.

I'm showing you that it appears more likely that the source is either independent or with the league office. At worst, it's unknown, so you were wrong, as usual.

Please. Stop.

  

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268. "in fact the next paragraph:"
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Those sources said the Colts raised concerns to the league, which was aware of the issue going into this weekend's AFC title game.

^^indicates that it may not be the colts as the 'source'^^

  

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270. "You don't have to give me the sarcastic question mark, dickhead."
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Fuck you.

The league would have fielded the complaint, you're saying? I thought the Colts would've fielded the complaint, *to* the league.

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272. "you field what comes to you, dingus. "
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I'm concerned for you.

  

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274. "I know it's nice to feel like you're bringing down the big bad bully..."
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but, they still got a Super Bowl to win. Don't be too sad if that happens.

Anyway, I appreciate the concern. I'm pretty annoyed but I should be all better by February 1st.

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275. "You are the most vocal person in here"
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yet you're unclear about what is even being argued and what the facts of the case are.

please stop doing that.

  

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278. "Hey when I wasn't aware of something, I asked."
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I didn't argue any points I wasn't already aware of. When something was brought to my attention, I inquired further. I think that's pretty standard stuff.

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279. "you won't stop posting but admitted to only 'skimming' the"
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main source for information about the scandal.

Find out what's going on, then form an opinion and ask questions.

  

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285. "that raises so many basic questions of the competence of the NFL"
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how do you have a team raise a concern then again and then discover a problem only after the second time? how do you not have some written shit about how the pats should never do that again? why not investigate like this the first time? how do you not keep an extra eye out on the balls for the AFC game considering the previous complaint? why have the spot check 2+ hours before the game?

the nfl is a study in incompetence that succeeds despite itself.


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287. "I dunno, maybe cuz Bob Kraft and Roger Goodell bang the same models?"
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289. "lol, Goodell probably had a chat with kraft and Bellichek and Bellichek"
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was like sure, rog...i won't do it again...Scout's honor

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292. "have all their conversations in the cone of silence"
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253. "The integrity of the game is at stake"
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Something must be done.

  

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280. "lol, how can you make this statement?"
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>belichick is the single biggest threat to the credibility of
>the NFL there's ever been.

if you understand anything about how Goodell has handled the concussion and Ray Rice scandals? I agree this is really bad, but cmon.

  

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281. "they make a good team, those two"
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One makes the tapes and the other burns them.

  

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330. "I'm pretty sure Luck was throwing different balls than Brady."
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But I'm gonna let you cook.



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257. "fwiw, without comment"
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yahoo tests the psi difference in footballs for themselves

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/how-serious-is-deflate-gate--a-yahoo-sports-equipment-investigation-155529889.html
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261. "ah, people are already looking for the spygate excuse?"
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'it's not a competitive advantage.'

'it didn't help that much'

  

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282. "what part of without comment is unclear?"
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also, that post makes clear there is a competitive advantage to it...so...wtf?

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284. "1) why else try it and 2) i know you're a pats fan"
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no such thing as 'fwiw'

  

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286. "you try it to see what abstract numbers mean in real life"
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and if i were a pats fan who wanted to hide/use the spygate type of excuses, i wouldn't post the yahoo link in which they FOUND THAT IT GAVE THE PATS AN ADVANTAGE.


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291. "you coming to my party or what"
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296. "sorry, i demand meat as part of my super bowl festivities"
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it ain't the super bowl without wings.

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300. "How about vegan wings? "
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304. "vegan wings:real wings::Goodell:competence"
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310. "is that a yes?"
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269. "fwiw, how serious are gold cleats"
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sorry fam

that's not the issue

breaking the rules is.

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283. "imma go ahead and assume you thought this made sense"
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and then go ahead and not bother with it further.

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288. "LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU REAL SLOW"
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competitive advantage is not the issue

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focus

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290. "do you know what FWIW means?"
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295. "FWIW, no he doesn't"
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306. "i'm trying to figure out what he thought it meant that would make his"
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response make sense and i came up with nothing.

fwiw obviously.

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311. "this is the most controversial "without comment" i've seen"
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>response make sense and i came up with nothing.
>
>fwiw obviously.

  

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308. "at minimum, Belicheck should be suspended for the SB."
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i mean, dude is a habitual line stepper and why would he stop when the worst you threaten them with a loss of draft picks. NE don't give a shit about draft picks. they don't draft THAT well and end up relying on bum free agents and undrafteds anyway.

that said, the NLF is a pussy. they ain't gonna do shit.

  

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312. "until they vacate Brady's 50 TD year, I'm boycotting Papa John's forever"
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313. "you'll really show peyton"
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315. "lmao this post have it all (c) monta"
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327. "BIG SWIMSUIT, YOU'RE NEXT!!"
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321. "Brady went to a papa john's once."
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324. "me, too -- regret it to this day. now I'm making it political."
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322. "until they strip his postseason wins, I'LL NEVER BUY A FORD TRUCK AGAIN"
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323. "hope you're not a fan of wrangler jeans either."
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314. "If anyone, it should be Brady, but cats are overreacting like hell"
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Its some shit everyone does, yes the Pats keep getting caught, but that has a lot more to do with lopsided attention to one team's actions than lopsided actions by one team.

  

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320. "i think you mean the Raiders"
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328. "And I'm sure that has nothing to do with your 12th-man-itude "
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331. "FYI: Pats were using the lone properly inflated ball for the Kickers "
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That explains the reason why the punt/kick off returners didn't notice that the ball was under-inflated while the CBs who intercepted the ball Brady threw noticed immediately there was something up w/ the ball.

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332. "They won 45-7 right?"
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This ain't like the steroid era in baseball or anything.

  

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333. "Would it still have been okay if it wasn't a blowout?"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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340. "it still wouldn't have been asterisk-worthy"
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it's fucking deflated footballs.

the blowout just means people are whining about something that is meaningless.

  

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342. "think harder and better, dingus"
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Habitual line-steppers stepping additional lines.

A culture of deceit and dishonesty and cheating for over a decade.

There is a clear advantage to slightly deflated balls, especially in rough weather, and multiple reports that there have been complaints about this BEFORE so...

Let's add all that together. What do we have?

Where else are they cheating? Where else are they breaking and exploiting rules? What are other minor advantages are they seeking EVEN THOUGH ITS A BLOWOUT?

lulz brah. they killed the colts right? So why cheat?

When they get caught - 'we didn't know' 'we misunderstood the rules.'
When they do something 'smart' then - 'the entire team buys in' 'nobody knows the rulebook better than Bill' 'nobody has more control on that sideline'

stop.

For 13 years the NFL has feature a prominent team with multiple high-level cheating infractures. But it's not a big deal because of the false narrative that people are only upset because they think the Colts would have won otherwise.

Even the colts don't think they were going to win that game otherwise. But what everyone thinks is that the Patriots, once again, are breaking rules for a competitive advantage on their way to the Super Bowl. Once again.

The NFL has a competitive disadvantage image problem and it begins and ends with the New England Patriots, Bill Bellichik, and Tom Tantrum.

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364. "They're assholes who push the rules or break them"
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Stealing signals like a little league game?
Weird formations that Whiner Harbaugh hasn't seen before?
DEFLATED FOOTBALLS?

This is nothing compared to asterisks like the Steroid Era in baseball or the racist era in any sport.

Nothing.

Brady is one of the best QBs of all time.
Belichick is one of the best coaches of all time.

None of these "controversies" changes those facts.

Black eye? Sure.
Asterisk? LOL.

This is just something for people who lost to the Patriots (from the Rams to the Raiders) to whine about too much.

  

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363. "Do you think the only time they tried was in the AFC title game?"
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390. "They musta forgot that the Ravens only lost by 4 pts"
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334. "Why is everyone assuming the footballs couldnt pass inspection when"
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Rodgers successfully passes overinflated balls past inspection and the refs were handling the footballs every play and didn't notice until D'Qwell pointed it out

Seems like the most plausible scenario at this point is Brady did what Rodgers does and nobody noticed until Jackson.

  

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335. "If that was the case Brady/Bellicheck should just say that. "
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But they aren/t

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345. "They might. Who knows. Belichick's story is"
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in line with it, and Brady speaks later.

Brady may or may not admit to deliberately under-inflating, and honestly it may or may not have been any more deliberate than "yeah, these feels good, let's go with that", knowing the refs will make them adjust if necessary...and the refs feel them and say "feels good to us"

  

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347. "bc they allowed this thing to blow up....Brady shoulda just said it on M..."
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or have the team release a statement. It makes zero sense to wait this long if that is the truth,.

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351. "I think that's simply a matter of protocol tbh"
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353. "so is cheating...don't make it smart or right."
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354. "is Rodgers cheating when refs don't fix his footballs?"
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336. "Sherman be trolllllling."
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>Needless to say, given his thoughts about Brady, Sherman didn’t sound the least surprised by the DeflateGate story — the accusations that the Patriots purposely deflated footballs in the AFC Championship Game to make them easier for Brady to grip and throw. Asked for his reaction, Sherman joked, “I have to go back to my collection and check them now, I don’t know. I’ve got to see if there are pounds missing.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/seahawks-sherman-rips-brady-deflates-qb-cleanreputation-article-1.2087698

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341. "he's master-level."
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337. "Seattle is gonna crush these clowns "
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And LMAO at any twelve year olds saying Brady goat

  

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361. "I think this is a bad matchup for Seattle. This isn't Denver"
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Truth be told, Seattle's defensive line is a bit overrated. But their linebackers and secondary are the best in the league. That lies the problem for Seattle when facing a Brady.

  

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362. "you must not watch football"
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338. "Tom's personal preference on his balls...er, footballs (c) Belichheat"
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343. "Bill knows nothing huh?"
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1) Ignorance is not an excuse (c) Roger Goodell
2) "Nobody runs a tighter ship than the Patriots. Patriot way!"

  

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348. "it is worth mentioning that those words mean very little"
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>1) Ignorance is not an excuse (c) Roger Goodell

after the Rice thing. that press conference was awful though.

  

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344. "Ain't nothing going to happen, so sit and chill."
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346. "i wonder if belichick told brady he'd throw him under the bus?"
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or was this all a big motivation tactic.

would be ballsy as hell for brady to be like "yeah i underinflate--just like rodgers overinflates. guess refs just like me so they don't check. U MAD BRO? SUCK MY UGGS"

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349. "after Brady's radio interview this sure puts him in a tough spot."
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wtf bill?

  

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350. "bill could be telling the truth..i thought he was believable."
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i ddin't see the whole thing tho.

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352. "not really. All Brady has to say is"
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"I found it ridiculous. I always test them out, feel them, toss them around, and pick the ones I like. We submit them, if the refs say there's an issue, we change them. All this stuff about us deflating balls on the sideline or trying to play a trick on the league sounded crazy to me. I was blown away by it all. We're quarterbacks. We have our preferences of ball feel and trust the officials to inform us if we need to adjust."

We know the inspection process isnt scientific, and its clear the refs (like most people) couldn't tell the difference, or they wouldn't have let play go on until the Jackson interception. Unless you buy that theory the integrity of thr first half of the AFC Championship game was deliberately compromised by the refs to conduct a sting operation lol

  

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355. "then the nfl referees say they tested all of the balls and all of them w..."
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legit and time of the testing and brady and co face a stiffer penalty for messing with the 'shield'

it was 11 out of 12 balls not 2 out of 12. They ain't getting 11 balls through if the nfl tested and the nfl ain't gonna take the fall in this situation.

Some low level dude in the pats organization betta take the fall for a check. Bellichek and Kraft gonna have to cut the NFL a check anyway.

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357. "if 9 out of 10 people"
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can't tell the difference between 10 and 12 psi

and 1 elite QB likes the feel a certain way

then one should expect 11 of 12 would be consistent to 1 QB's preferences and easily not be noticed by 1 or 3 refs

  

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358. "the balls are tested by a guage not by hand."
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nice try tho.

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359. "he is trying so hard. so so hard."
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brady's best bet is to blame it on garapolopolopolo being an over-eager rookie trying to impress him.

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360. "lol"
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>brady's best bet is to blame it on garapolopolopolo being an over-eager rookie trying to impress him.

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365. "so tell me how Rodgers gets his past inspection"
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366. "maybe he doesn't? did you think of that?"
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368. "Rodgers says he gets 11 of 12 balls through? post the link pls cause i"
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missed it.

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376. "the percentage of "
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balls misread is such a fake point

A: If its an error-free scientific inspection process, there would be no balls getting through. The suggestion that they do get through indicates that its NOT an error-proof process.

B: Acknowledging that human or equipment error IS a factor, if a referee or a gauge or whatever sees 1 off ball as right, it is just as likely he/it could perceive the others the same way.

  

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379. "so he never said that...so why we talking about rodgers?"
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381. "hey guy -- suggestions DO NOT "indicate," they suggest"
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>A: If its an error-free scientific inspection process, there
>would be no balls getting through. The suggestion that they do
>get through indicates that its NOT an error-proof process.

so honestly, everything you typed here makes no sense.

The Pats cheated. It's not debatable.

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375. "of course he does. He wouldn't bother if it never worked"
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380. "people pray every day thinking God's gonna answer their prayers"
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some of them even believe it works.

Just cuz Rodgers tries by no means indicates it happens. 11 of 12 football tested after game use and proven to be outside of weight regulation is, on the other hand, a clear indication of tampering.

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367. "why is this a 400 reply topic?"
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369. "368"
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370. "RE: 370"
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371. "lolz these dudes giving tom the business"
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he sounds like a dunce.

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372. "if neither of these dudes truly has the answers"
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they better figure out who does, and soon.

  

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373. "very smirky today "
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374. "The funniest thing is the league has 0 proof of who did what"
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That's why no one has done anything yet

  

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378. "the league doesn't want proof...at least not in the next 2 weeks."
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383. "Yeah. If they haven't talked to Brady yet..."
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Then I doubt this investigation is much of anything.

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384. "Ha! True. "
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385. "probably right"
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423. "Not like it matters..we've seen what they do w proof"
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Would just be more fodder for the Goodell household hearth.

Goodell's job is to protect the company, and he knows there are certain instances where the PR hit of burying something is FAR FAR less than the PR hit of confirming cheating. The spygate tapes are case in point obviously, and more recently the Ray Rice tapes (which obviously he never expected to get leaked).

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377. "I am on the bandwagon..these the whitest madmakers since Hurley/Laettner"
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the rage of those reporters is hilarious....all the way until they basically ran out of questions and kept asking the same shit

  

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382. "don't see how anyone can be team Brady after that interview"
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Dude ain't got no pr people? Shoulda came out incensed that someone messed with his balls and now credit is being taken away from the team win. Shoulda said he suspecTed a pressure difference but didn't think it was his responsibility to notify anyone, and that he had no idea it was lower than league rules and that he wants a thorough investigation as much as anyone...instead of this, aw shucks all the balls feel the same to me act.

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386. "the 2nd half of that AFC game is what makes it more the wild tho"
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He was invincible in the 2nd half with the league balls. This whole situation is interesting.

  

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387. "Brady and belicheat turn it up when they are doubted"
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Wasn't the running up the score season right after spygate?

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388. "*rolls eyes*"
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>Wasn't the running up the score season right after spygate?

anyone who accused the Pats of running up the score in 07 wasn't watching. people just saw the final scores and assumed they did, and i'm serious about that. people on here seriously said they should kick field goals rather than run the ball in the 4th because if they ran the ball they might (and did) score more touchdowns. people said that with a straight face.

  

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392. "weren't they airing it out late in the 4th qtr of blowouts?"
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I feel like I remember that specifically early in the year.

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396. "not really"
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I've linked the game logs before but am too lazy to look them up now. There's like 1.5 games that have sorta questionable 4th quarter calls. Other than that, they were running when it was truly out of hand. Even shells conceded this one later in the season, but the post isn't around anymore.

Not that I think it's a big deal when this happens in the pros anyway, but it was seriously way overblown.

  

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401. "washington comes to mind"
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Then, with a fourth-and-1 at the Redskins 7, the Patriots went for it rather than try for a field goal and Brady ran 2 yards. Two plays later, he threw his third touchdown pass of the game, a 2-yarder to Wes Welker with 9:06 left that drew the ire of Redskins linebacker Randall Godfrey.
"I said something to after the game," Godfrey told NBCSports.com. "I told him, 'You need to show some respect for the game.' You just don't do that. I don't care how bad it is. You're up 35 points and you're still throwing deep? That's no respect."

  

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404. "uhhh, what???"
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>Then, with a fourth-and-1 at the Redskins 7, the Patriots
>went for it rather than try for a field goal and Brady ran 2
>yards. Two plays later, he threw his third touchdown pass of
>the game, a 2-yarder to Wes Welker with 9:06 left that drew
>the ire of Redskins linebacker Randall Godfrey.
>"I said something to after the game," Godfrey told
>NBCSports.com. "I told him, 'You need to show some respect for
>the game.' You just don't do that. I don't care how bad it is.
>You're up 35 points and you're still throwing deep? That's no
>respect."

the last deep pass was brady to moss with 12:50 to go. they go for it on 4th rather than kick a field goal (which would ensure more points and surely would have been criticized more). then they take out brady.

you really need to try harder.

  

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405. "there is no way anyone is mad about kicking a field goal with 13 minutes"
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left, no matter what the score is.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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409. "are you serious? it's a huge "fuck you"."
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wouldn't you rather them go for it and give you a chance to stop them?

  

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413. "kicking a field goal is a fuck you? since when lol."
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only time a team declines a fga is bc they want 7 points instead of 3(unless they are a 1st down away from qb kneels)

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414. "dude, field goals are basically guaranteed points"
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if they run the ball on 4th you can (try to) stop them and get the ball back. People would've cried over field goals more. The only way people wouldn't have complained is if we punted in those situations, which would've been arguably more insulting when we're deep in their territory.

  

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416. "i have never ever in my life heard someone complain about a field goal"
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attempt with 13 minutes left. Never.

And lol @ the idea of a coach either going or not going for it on 4th down so they can give the other team a chance to stop them

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418. "i'm of the mind that professional players shouldn't be complaining "
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either way, but when you go for it you're at least giving them a chance to stop you and get the ball back. if you're up 38-0 and you go for a (basically) guaranteed 3, that's more of an asshole move than going for the 1st down by running. sorry, i simply don't see it any other way. and the only other options are kneeling or punting which both look absolutely silly and insulting to your competition. i concede that they could've run for the TD rather than a 2 yard pass, but this idea that they were throwing deep late into games when up by 35 is a farce. the brady-to-moss in the redskins game was the only example i found* and that was with 12:50 left.

*and i already said maybe they in 1.5 games. that redskins game was the only questionable one i could find just now. even if i agreed with you on that one, this still doesn't fit the popular narrative that they were running up the score the whole season.

  

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399. "Shotgun every snap, throwing up 30+ late in the 4th"
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nothing wrong with that

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408. "just by skimming the 4th qtrs, couldn't find one instance of this"
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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2007.htm

maybe there's one that i'm missing, if so please point it out to me, but this certainly doesn't indicate a season of running up the score. go ahead and look. i literally couldn't find one deep pass when it was truly out-of-hand. they were running, throwing short passes, and usually putting in cassell.

  

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410. "no"
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412. "apology accepted."
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389. "because it's really not that deep"
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deny deny deny. this aint spygate. the nfl can't prove who or what was behind it. or if it was anything other than an odd phenomenon

in the end this will just go down as one of those quirky stories in sports history.

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391. "the non-tampered balls all measured within regulation"
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anyone who thinks this is a "phenomenon" is just a Pats Truther.

The balls were tampered with. It's only really a question of how much that matters, and in this specific instance, how it reflects on Belicheck and past accusations such as listening devices being in Gillette and their abnormal home record over the years.

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393. "one of those quirky stories that's gonna cost the patriots money"
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And picks. And Brady didn't deny, he's faking ignorance and obviously lying. A better denial would have been I didn't alter the balls or authorize it but if someone did, i'm pissed off about it and want to know who.

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395. "couple gs is a drop in the bucket."
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397. "They Gonna get fined more than a couple of gs"
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If kraft covers it, sure it's a drop in the bucket.

What about the draft picks tho?

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398. "He made Mark Brunell want to cry"
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That panel w/ him, Bettis and Brian Dawkins ate that man's lunch...

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400. "Not want, dude was dabbin his eyes. "
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394. "seriously."
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>Dude ain't got no pr people? Shoulda came out incensed that
>someone messed with his balls and now credit is being taken
>away from the team win. Shoulda said he suspecTed a pressure
>difference but didn't think it was his responsibility to
>notify anyone, and that he had no idea it was lower than
>league rules and that he wants a thorough investigation as
>much as anyone...instead of this, aw shucks all the balls feel
>the same to me act.

lol @ going the eli golly gee wilickers route

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402. "What's an acceptable penalty?"
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429. "15-yard penalty and a $25,000 fine "
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403. "ok man enough"
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17-7 1st half - Pats with "advantage"
28-0 2nd half - Pats with disadvantage

gimme a fuckin break & get that shit off my tv stat..


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406. "this stat makes brady/pats look even more stupid."
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>17-7 1st half - Pats with "advantage"
>28-0 2nd half - Pats with disadvantage

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407. "This whole issue is fricking loser convention"
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Even the Carolina Panthers ex-GM is on the radio complaining the he's thinks the Patriots cheated to be them in the SB.

The whole thing is summed up in this quote by him: "And I can't prove anything, and that's why I'm very angry."

And that's "deflate-gate" in a nutshell: a bunch of teams and fans of teams mad the Patriots beat them trying to pretend like they didn't lose.

EDIT: I can live with Giants' fans talking shit; they beat the Pats twice. Everyone else: FOH.

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430. "Giants fans can't say shit when NYG were likely faking injuries"
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Pats fans/players never said they should forfeit the game or lose draft picks. And when you can repeatedly kill another team's momentum by breaking a rule, deliberately deceiving refs, that's a much bigger cheat than this psi shit.

  

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447. "so only the team that beat the habitual cheaters can complain about chea..."
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seems kinda backwards bro.

we have systematic cheating and exploitation from a single team in the NFL over the period of 13+ years.

it's a series competitive balance issue.

and if they are truly found to deflate the balls on a regular basis...what else are they doing? If they will tape the other team so blatantly...what else are they doing?

you cannot laugh in the face of the ravens and tell them to 'learn the rules' and then play dumb two weeks later.

you can't misunderstand the rules on spygate and then be the mastermind of them when it's convenient.

it goes back a long time and it keeps flaring up.

it brings the competitive fairness of the entire league into question.

i find it frustrating that the false narrative of the 'colts would win!' is still prevalent.

  

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411. "i'm a pats fan saying this: that's not the point"
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everyone agrees they're winning against the colts no matter what, even most of the colts. that's part of what makes it looks so stupid. we didn't need this, yet resorted to this shit when we're already known for it.

  

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417. "That's what makes it worse on the Pats tho. "
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445. "why do people still think this is the issue?"
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nobody is saying they'd beat the colts.

everybody IS saying they have a decade plus history of line-stepping, cheating, and exploiting the rules.

it's a competitive fairness issue and trying to brush it off is going to hurt the league more in the long run.

the NFL clearly takes this seriously. why? they wouldn't want this overshadowing the super bowl so CLEARLY they think something sinister happened....again.

  

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415. "A man who spins bullshit for a living calls bullshit"
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http://news.yahoo.com/video/white-house-spokesman-pans-tom-200635149-cbs.html

I'm lovin' every fuckin' second of deflategate

Yesterday during the CHI/SAN NBA game

Reggie and GHill are discussing deflategate IRT basketballs

I would've preferred the ball under inflated to help my shot bounce in

I would've preferred the ball over inflated for my dribble...

HAHAHA!!!

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419. "suspend belichick for two years, brady for one"
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there's a culture of cheating in new england that's way worse and way more pervasive than bountygate ever was. and their flip attitude in the press conferences just confirm it. they're never gonna stop cheating, they're never gonna stop thinking this kind of stuff is no big deal. the game is called football and THEY TAMPERED WITH THE FOOTBALL and they still think it's no big deal.

and the "they would've won anyway" argument is garbage. it'd be like a baseball team using corked bats for half the game and people saying, yeah, but they scored more runs with the regular bats. IT DOESN'T MATTER. they cheated. the whole result of the game is in question. could the pats have focused on the run and run up the score like that in the 2nd half without the lead they got in the first? all it takes is for one of brady's 1st half passes to bounce off a receiver's hands and get pick-sixed and suddenly the colts go into halftime with a lead and come out with a different game plan in the 2nd half. the point is WE'LL NEVER KNOW BECAUSE THE PATRIOTS TAMPERED WITH THE FOOTBALL.

and again, this kind of stuff is never gonna stop. these aren't isolated incidents, it's a culture. every season, you've got millions of dollars on the line, hundreds of guys putting their health and livelihoods at risk, and you've got belichick and his team treating it with all the respect of a backyard pickup game. they're never gonna stop. and we're talking about the super bowl here, the biggest stage in american sports. two years for belichick, one for brady. MINIMUM.

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420. "lol sounds like a jilted AFC rival more than sense"
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Suspend the QB for a year? I could understand the coach.

  

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424. "brady's clearly responsible"
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and belichick has established and maintained a culture of cheating since day one. only way to stop this and prevent other teams from just saying, "fine, we're doing it too," until the entire league is a big corrupt joke is to send a crystal clear message as strongly as possible.

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422. "I stopped at "way worse than bounty-gate"."
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Is there really a lack of understanding that trying to intentionally injure someone is worse than trying to win a football game?

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425. "intentionally injure someone in order to win a game"
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I'd add.

Gregg Williams was talking about head shots and going for ACLs. Way, way worse. I can't see how Rams players can stand playing for him.

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426. "you can't possibly be serious"
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intentionally trying to harm your opponent is bad, and it's gonna turn off a lot of fans. but if people start questioning the results of games, everybody walks. there is no NFL for there to even be a bountygate.

nobody's gonna watch or support a league where the results of games aren't legitimate. there's a reason why you get tossed out of a baseball game and suspended for throwing at a batter's head but you get a lifetime ban for gambling. the legitimacy of the results is the whole enchilada.

the pats have had a disproportionate amount of sustained success since belichick took over (many would say a suspiciously disproportionate amount) in an any given sunday league where the best and worst teams often get shuffled like a deck of cards year to year. they also coincidentally keep getting caught playing with corked bats. the fans (and players) of the teams they're "beating" are starting to revolt and it's spreading to the entire league. if goodell doesn't step in now, and strongly, people are gonna lose interest in this thing quick.

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427. "cmon."
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436. "So I take it you won't be watching the Super Bowl."
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431. "what should happen to a team faking injuries at key moments?"
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434. "what should happen to a *football* team"
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playing the game of *football* that tampers with the *football*, thus throwing the entire result of the AFC championship and the super bowl into question?

what's hilarious about all you pats fans running in here with capes on is that if this had been done to you-- say it came out after last year's AFC championship that the broncos were tampering with the football-- y'all would be absolutely livid. brady and belichick do it, and oh god why is everybody making such a big deal about this?

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435. "cool wordplay."
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That's about it.

What the Giants supposedly did was farrr more egregious if we're actually talking about effect on a game, and this is the first time I've ever brought it up lol. Do you hear Pats ex-players and fans going nuts over faking injuries (the deliberate deception to officials to repetitively stall actual drives)? Of course not. Its always been a non-issue in terms of what ppl talk about, nobody questions it, we all give NYG credit, so what makes you think 2 psi would be different? Lol foh

  

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441. "is the game called injuryball or football?"
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you're comparing faking injuries for two or three plays to playing with a tampered football EVERY SINGLE PLAY. you can't be serious.

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442. "actually killing opposing drives vs ambiguous grip preference "
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OK buddy

  

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454. "cheating on two plays vs. cheating on every play"
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no one could possibly be stupid enough to think this is a reasonable defense. pick something else.

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437. "not necessary"
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ban coach and Brady for the Super Bowl

that would destroy them on the inside, all they have worked for

really all that's needed

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421. "do they actually use the pressure gauges? (swipe)"
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these are stories from a decade ago (and for a different team), so take it for what it is, but i'm assuming this includes several groups of refs and its possible these practices are still in use.

edit: this would still call into question brady's statement that he prefers his footballs at 12.5 psi. but if this process isn't really an exact science then it changes the pats role by a lot. at the very least it could take tampering after the fact out of the equation. the penalties would/should be much less sever if that's the case.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/super-bowl-xlix/deflate-gate-nfl-ball-boys-perspective-preparing-footballs-n290801

"I recall them having a pressure gauge in the locker room, but most often they just squeezed the balls, turned them over in their hands a few times each, and inspected the laces. I don't recall them ever rejecting one of our balls," he said.

  

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432. "of course they don't use them. At least not always. talk about"
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tedious as fuck for something so trivial that's never caused any controversy (prior to deflategat)

24 balls

One at a time

With instruments

Never been a big deal (fine less than shoes color)

1...
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... Check?
...pin...
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... Check?

Pump...

... ...
... ...
... Ok

2...
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... Check

3... ...

24?

Fuuuck thaaat, the footballs feel fine

I could make this a long post, but in short, I think refs would have had to all be neurotic or "special" to always do it the right way, and don't even blame them for being laxed. How does a human NOT get laxed over something like that, particularly when it seems so trivial (never a controversy)?

Even if they use a gauge on occasion, I cant fathom its something they ALWAYS do, and even if that incredibly difficult thing to believe were true, we're still supposed to believe there could never be a flaw in the process that passes a batch of 10.5 psi balls...

So much blind faith in NFL officiating all of a sudden lol

  

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446. "the globe reports yes so"
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428. "The Pats probably skirt this with a $5 million fine."
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It's the Cheatriots after all, so Goodell won't do shit.

The really fucked up thing is they don't need to cheat. This tarnishes this team's legacy something fierce in the pantheon of legends because none of the legendary teams were this dirty. Don't forget about their ineligible receiver fuckery as well. Technically, it's legal but why are they doing it? They're a good team and resort to these tactics for no reason.

  

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433. "anything above a $25,000 fine isn't a skirt"
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438. "Easy, suspend Brady & Belicheat for the Superbowl.. case closed"
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This investigation is a ploy to keep their best product on the field in their biggest media grab.

  

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449. "The NFL cannot have a Pats SB victory"
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http://i.imgur.com/XUX0Nx3.jpg

The Tom Brady presser was full of tells

Q: Is Tom Brady a cheater

A: I don't believe so

Hey, dumbass, that's a yes or no question

His statement that he wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a football properly inflated, or under inflated

when he has previously stated that he prefers the ball under inflated

and the fact that an IND defender twice noticed immediately

He a lie

I think Cen posted in a reply above that his whole demeanor in that presser was an admission of guilt

Hello, you're being accused of cheating

and your reaction is...aww shucks

c'mon

Spygate = Belicheat
Deflategate = Brady

I think the NFL is gonna stall this, and suspend them for a couple of games during 15' regular season

but I don't think they are considering how much BIGGER this story will get

if the Pats win.

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452. "at least get facts right. damn"
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Dqwell jackson said he didnt notice any difference.

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453. "I stand by the sentiment of my statement, given that we don't know the f..."
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of who knew what and when...etc

Whether it's Adams, Jackson, IND equipment manager, BAL personnel

my sentiment is

we're suppose to believe one or a combinations of the above

Did notice the ball was under inflated

but Tom Brady didn't...? (and I'd assume nobody else on NE)

c'mon

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455. "Ignorant self righteousness is my favorite type"
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bravo.
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439. "That press conference today was some of the best TV ever lol"
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Y'all done made Belichick mad

  

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443. "Lol I was watching in shock"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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444. "He said "I just said that' with such genuine disappointment in that guy"
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I don't think he'll ever get to ask another question again.

  

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448. "he's almost certainly lying, and i don't care at all"
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goodell needs to come out and say, "look, we don't do mob justice.* we're going to do our full investigation and come out with the results and any punishments once that has concluded to our satisfaction. it's not going to be this week, so shut the fuck up about it and concentrate on this glorious matchup."

*he will be lying when he says this, but roger goodell really likes to lie, so it shouldn't be a problem.

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450. "pick a side plz"
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456. "lol"
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451. "Deflate Gate SNL Cold Opening. Tom Brady Saturday Night Live"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2svKSuNk0Dk

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457. "honestly, the funniest part is the NFL really doesn't know jack"
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this is hilarious. and Belichick is setting the table as "Tell me who did what and how"
It's going to be even more hilarious when the league is mad cuz the Pats blowout Seattle.

  

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458. "All this mad making is warming my heart during this cold New England win..."
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Cere alone had provided me enough warmth for the next few years.

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465. "video evidence suggests otherwise"
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468. ""We're still trying to gauge if there was any wrongdoing""
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This was just the NFL's "eff you" in response to Belichick's "eff you" from Saturday. That's all.

All will stay silent for the remainder of the week, focus will be on the game. Thereafter, the NFL will come out with a half assed report with no findings and the Pats will incur the minimum fine.

That's how I see it anyway. Don't think Belichick would've come out firing on Saturday if he wasn't certain they did nothing wrong/the NFL wouldn't find anything substantial.

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469. "Ignorance is not an excuse. (c) Roger G. "
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470. "(a) I, personally, never said it was."
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(b) as has been mentioned before but bears mentioning again, that sounds awfully funny considering the source.

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see no reason why this is different.

roger's own personal failings, aside.

  

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472. "I know what he said and when he said it."
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I'm not exactly sure your point.

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head with it.

  

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479. "OK so you don't have a point."
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Good talk.

Hope you enjoy watching the Pats in the Super Bowl. Bet your team has a pretty sweet party planned.

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481. "the point is bill can't claim ignorance"
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he either runs the tightest ship in the NFL or he don't.

if this 'rogue ball boy' done did it then bill needs a suspension.

  

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484. "Hahaha. Yea, cause that would stick."
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>he either runs the tightest ship in the NFL or he don't.
>
>if this 'rogue ball boy' done did it then bill needs a
>suspension.

First of all, this "ball boy" may not have even done a damn thing. And even if he did, there is a fine of $25k and maybe a draft pick.

Goodell would have a tough time fighting an appeal by the Pats in the event the ball boy DID do something to those balls considering the year he's had.

For such a minor offense a "suspension" would never, ever stick. Again, assuming any doctoring took place.

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487. "i'm from here. they've been saying 'rogue ball boy' for a week. "
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doctoring CLEARLY took place.

the NFL has something or else they'd brush it under the rug. you think with this 'year' they've had - that you just referred to - that they want their super bowl over shadowed by allegations of habitual rule breaking and cheating by one of the teams participating?

that's the last thing they want.

this has legs. or should, provided Roger doesn't do his buddy a favor and burn the tape again.

  

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491. "Good luck with that."
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>doctoring CLEARLY took place.

Where's your proof?


>the NFL has something or else they'd brush it under the rug.
>you think with this 'year' they've had - that you just
>referred to - that they want their super bowl over shadowed by
>allegations of habitual rule breaking and cheating by one of
>the teams participating?

They're desperately grasping at evidence that isn't there. Their Super Bowl has already been overshadowed.


>that's the last thing they want.

Apparently not.


>this has legs. or should, provided Roger doesn't do his buddy
>a favor and burn the tape again.

If he was gonna do that this never would've become a story in the first place. Goodell would've done what any good commissioner (Tagliabue) would've done and given the Pats a "heads up" after the Colts (allegedly) brought this issue to the league back in November.

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494. "I just realized you're the same dude from above"
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who doesn't pay attention to what's happening.

the idea that Roger is aggressively investigating and leaking information about his best friend and the patriots potentially cheating as the super bowl looms ahead of us after the year that the have had says all you need to know.

  

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495. "Yea, again good luck with that."
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I know exactly what's happening and can safely say that the owner of a multi billion dollar organization isn't coming out firing tonite, demanding an apology if he thought there was even an INKLING of a chance there was evidence that anything was awry.

I mean think of the information you're working off of at this point. A ball boy took the balls, probably from both teams, and went somewhere else. For all we know he went to the fucking bathroom, took a piss, and went to the field. The NFL is grasping at this point and won't find shit.

And if I'm wrong, I'll come back here and cop to it. And "wrong" doesn't mean the Pats incur a $25k fine with the NFL presenting no findings and just tossing out a quick little fine cause the balls happened to be slightly below legal level and that's it. "Wrong" means the NFL presents some significant findings that Belichick, Brady, whoeverthefuck, was complicit in this.

Enjoy watching the Pats in the Super Bowl, playa.

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509. "You seem to missing all of the aspects of this case"
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Which isn't surprising because you made about 50 posts in here before admitting you never read the initial article.

Roger Goodell is not leaking information about the investigation without reason. You seem to think the commissioner and the team aren't in cahoots. That he wasn't at Kraft's house LAST WEEK doing shots of Patron.

Every other day Patriots fans declare this dead. Every other day new shit comes to light.

The Patriot way indicates a level of involvement at least up to the coach in all matters. The idea that a ball boy is tampering with balls (PATRIOTS BALLS) (IN GILLETTE) for shits and giggles is preposterous.

Only those balls were lower PSI. You can rub that shit all you want, you're not seeing the discrepancy that appears to have happened. Ask Bill Nye.

The NFL is taking this seriously. They are digging into this. They would not do that if there was not good reason. They DO NOT WANT CONTROVERSY AT THE SUPER BOWL.

ESPECIALLY INVOLVING HIS BEST FRIEND.

  

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513. "This dude cites Bill Nye!"
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Who, literally, said "I don't believe that could be the case" without providing any specifics whatsoever.

Unbelievable!

It's certifiably insane at this point how much faith you have in Goodell and the league, their leaks, their timing, their investigation. Were you in a coma for the Ray Rice situation? I can break it down for you if you'd like.

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516. "Do you know what 'cite' means?"
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You really think some grubby ball boy rubbed up the balls just the way tommy liked them so signficantly that they habitually drop 17-24% under legal limits?

That's your story? Rubbing balls?

And not that a team which habitually and systematically cheats and exploits the rules at all levels of the game...once again did such a thing?

Which is why Indy's ball were fine?

  

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520. "Grasping at straws man."
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You look pathetic at this point. You should get some sleep. The Pats are playing in a big game on Sunday, should be enjoyable.

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523. "Keep telling yourself this is irrelevant"
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Because you've been wrong since day one in this post because you don't follow what's happening.

  

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526. "Hahahaha dogg - the more you grasp"
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the more desperate you look. I wish you well. I'll be watching my team in a great Super Bowl matchup on Sunday.

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532. "There is no grasping."
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What am I saying that is untrue or something that hasn't been reported?

Your team has cheated in the past and received the stiffest penalty in NFL history at the time. And the evidence was destroyed.

And now as the Super Bowl approaches, this same team is being heavily investigated for cheating once again?

What is the likely outcome?

Please explain to me how the balls were deflated. Why did the Colts already suspect such?

What was the weather like inside Lucas Oil stadium that night? Rainy?

  

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459. "sure hope the sherman post gets locked too, fascists. "
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461. "we are almost at 500. a pt 2 post is very reasonable"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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463. "that was my thinking"
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but I guess not.

  

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460. "Analyst: Patriots Fumble at a ‘Nearly Impossible’ Rate(swipe)"
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Is Rodger really going to be able to bury all of this?

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/01/25/patriots-fumble-nearly-impossible-rate/LCgrlUR9qgxDsIgcal9dUI/story.html

Analyst: Patriots Fumble at a ‘Nearly Impossible’ Rate


By Nik DeCosta-Klipa @NikDeCostaKlipa
Boston.com Staff | 01.25.15 | 5:32 PM
If Deflategate produced anything of value besides ball jokes and SNL skits, it’s this: during the past five years the Patriots have fumbled at a nearly impossibly low rate, according to football data analyst Warren Sharp. Since 2010, their average plays per fumble lost is 187, compared to the league average of 105. And no one else comes even close. On one hand, a fumble rate that low speaks to the team’s impeccable preparation. On the other, it adds fuel to the accusations of cheating.

This isn’t random chance. As Sharp points out, we would expect this instance to occur once in 16,233.77 chances if fumbles per play follow a normal distribution, “which in layman’s terms means that this result only being a coincidence, is like winning a raffle where you have a 0.0000616 probability to win.” Nearly statistically impossible.

Even looking at total fumbles, not just fumbles lost, the Patriots are the only outdoor team in the last 25 years to average 70 plays per fumble or better, according to Sharp:

“The league average from 2010 to 2014 was 50 plays per fumble. For indoor teams, the average was 55 plays per fumble. For outdoor teams, excluding the Patriots, the average was 46 plays per fumble. The Patriots averaged 73 plays per fumble, almost 60 percent more than outdoor teams and almost 50 percent more than the league average the past five years.”

Maybe the Patriots just target players who are particularly good at holding onto the ball? It’s easy to think that during the offseason and in the draft room, Belichick and friends are scouting players who have a knack for not fumbling.

However, Michael Salfino of the Wall Street Journal looked at Patriots players who, since 2010, have logged significant minutes on other teams to compare fumbles rates. His findings:

“Additionally, according to Stats, LLC, the six players who have played extensively for the Patriots and other teams in this span all fumbled far less frequently wearing the New England uniform. Including recovered fumbles, Danny Amendola, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Brandon LaFell and LeGarrette Blount have lost the ball eight times in 1,482 touches for the Patriots since 2010, or once every 185.3 times. For their other teams, they fumbled 22 times in 1,701 touches (once every 77.3).”

So it can’t be merely personnel, right? For example, Green-Ellis didn’t fumble once in 501 touches for the Patriots since 2010. However, during his next two years with the Cincinnati Bengals he fumbled five times in 524 touches.

Likewise, Amendola hasn’t fumbled once in 82 touches with the Patriots, yet had three fumbles in 162 touches with Ram since 2010. During the same time, Woodhead saw his plays-per-fumble decrease from 171 with the Patriots to just 86 with the Chargers. Blount fumbled every 51.8 plays with the Buccaneers and Steelers, but only every 73 plays with New England.

Yet while Welker only lost the ball every 166 touches with the Patriots, he is still yet to fumble (in 122 touches so far) with the Broncos. And LaFell has actually seen his plays-per-fumble decrease to 76 with the Patriots, from 86.5 with the Panthers.

While it isn’t universal for every individual player, Salfino’s larger finding still stands: in the past five years, players fumble significantly less on the Patriots than they do when playing for other teams. Since his initial report, Sharp wrote a supplemental post showing that from 2007-2014, individual Patriots players with more than 300 touches fumbled once every 107 touches, versus every 67 touches when playing for other teams.

So it isn’t strictly personnel. Could it be the coaching?

Despite Stevan Ridley earning a reputation for being fumble-prone, the stats don’t seem to show that he fumbles at a rate particularly higher than league averages. In fact, since 2010, only one team in the league had a better rate: The Atlanta Falcons, who play in a dome, fumbled only once every 80 plays. Besides the Patriots, no other team in the league broke 70 and no other outdoor team had a better rate than 55. Compared to the average fumble rate for the 31 other teams in the league, per touch Ridley actually has a better chance of holding on.

That hasn’t, however, stopped him from being benched—multiple times—for fumbling. Perhaps Belichick has particularly high standards for his players. And we know turnovers are a statistic that Belichick has focused on in the past. It’s not very realistic that it is something he regularly drills in practice and emphasizes, even if it means benching his running back.

Does this apparent strictness from the coach explain the Patriots’ collective tight grip on the football? Perhaps Belichick has just groomed his team into a statistical anomaly when it comes to fumble rate?

Or perhaps something else has been in the works. As Sharp speculates, maybe they’ve invented a “revolutionary in-house way to protect the ball” or they design plays that don’t put players in the position to fumble. Or maybe it’s the ball.

The Patriots have held the best plays per fumble rate since 2007. Sharp also points out this is the first year the Patriots started outperforming in wet weather games. After going 0-2 in 2006, New England has gone an unprecedented 14-1 in Tom Brady wet weather home games (compared to 51-9 in dry weather home games). According to ProFootballReference.com, from 2001 to 2006, Brady averaged 9.8 fumbles per season. From 2007 to 2014, his fumbles per season decreased to 5.3.

Interestingly, one other thing changed the season prior to 2007: the rules. In 2006, Brady and Peyton Manning successfully lobbied the league to allow road team offenses to bring their own balls, breaking from the rule in which the home team provided all 24 balls. You may have heard of this rule change recently in the news again.

Ultimately, the anomaly of the Patriots’ superior fumble avoidance doesn’t prove anything, besides a distinct advantage on their opponents. But whether it’s coaching, play design or PSI, it’s certainly no coincidence.

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462. "lol. They're about to bring in Marisa Tomei as an expert witness"
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464. "yes that is the joke billy cheater made on Saturday. "
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466. "this part right here really seals it"
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Including recovered fumbles, Danny Amendola, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Brandon LaFell and LeGarrette Blount have lost the ball eight times in 1,482 touches for the Patriots since 2010, or once every 185.3 times. For their other teams, they fumbled 22 times in 1,701 touches (once every 77.3).”

  

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510. "1 foot in fire, 1 in ice. Average says you should feel fine."
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If you look at players, you have three outliers - Green-Ellis and Amendola who fumbled 9 times on other teams and 0 times on the Patriots. On the other hand, Welker fumbled twice for the Pats and zero times while on the Broncos. And if you eliminate the 2010 cut off, it's six fumbles while on the Pats and none while he was on the Dolphins or Broncos. (Personally, I'd say the lack of fumbles for both Welker and Amendola could have something to do with their fall in the depth charts.)

Woodhead has fumbled a grand total of one more time than expected in San Diego.

Brandon LaFell actually fumbled more while on Carolina.

And then there's LeGarette Blount. His rushing fumbles ratio is almost exactly the same for all three teams.
1 fumble every 71 carries for both New England and Tampa Bay and 1 in 65 carries in Pittsburgh which wasn't because he fumbled more, it was because he only carried the ball 65 times for the Steelers. 6 more carries without a fumble and he would have been at this ratio.

The difference lies in fumbles after receptions. He fumbled 1 out of every 7 receptions in Tampa Bay (21 catches, 3 fumbles.) Now you could say that his never fumbling after the catch in New England is proof of tampering with the ball or you could look and say, "Oh, maybe that's why the Patriots never throw him the ball." He only has six receptions. So if he fumbled after his next reception, his fumble ratios would be exactly the same as it was in Tampa Bay.

So, this supposed smoking gun is really little more than: What was up with Benjarvus Green-Ellis in Cincy?

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467. "I already brought that up in post #48 but nobody wanted to hear it"
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478. "isnt Ridley out of the league cuz he couldn't hang on to the ball?"
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480. "that's the false narrative, yes"
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588. "Ahhhhhhhhh makes sense."
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Do you think they still pay him for takin one for the team? Lifetime supply of mac?

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485. "this is really important because it tells us how long it's been going on"
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at least since 2007. the math doesn't lie. the pats aren't just very good at holding onto the football, they're not just historically great, they've been doing it for years at a rate that is flat-out statistically impossible. it's amazing that it took deflate-gate for this kind of data to come out. the NFL should be doing this already, looking at team/player stats, zeroing in on anything suspicious and investigating.

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497. ""Nearly impossible" yet they are 2nd in the league"
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1. The Patriots prevention of fumbles is nearly impossible... except they are actually second in the league over that time period to the Atlanta Falcons.

2. To get around that fact, the author decides to exclude dome teams but doesn't show a statistical reason to do so. He cited a dome/outside difference of 46 plays per fumble vs. 43 plays per fumble which doesn't seem statistically significant. And looking at the Falcons, they actually fumble more per play in domes than outside. Eliminate their dome fumbles and they might have an even more "impossible" outdoor play per fumble ratio than they already do.

3. But the major flaw in this study is that it considers all plays equal and doesn't seem to make much mention of the fact that the Patriots run significantly more plays.

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504. "I'm not a jersey tornado scientist"
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but wouldn't more plays mean more fumbles?

or running more plays indicates that you didn't fumble and lose possession frequently?

  

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538. "Not all plays are created equal."
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For instance, it's hard to fumble an incompletion. Or an intercepted pass. Quick slants and sideline patterns are likely going to cause less fumbles. Rushing the defense in the hurry up could help cut down fumbles while being known as a run heavy offense that teams can prepare for will likely boost fumbles.



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553. "Well"
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interceptions and incompletions aren't going to lead to more plays, as you say.

On top of that, Tom's int numbers are pretty low. Game managers tend to do that.

do you have stats to support that less fumbles occur on slants and that the Patriots run a considerable amount more than the rest of the league? I'd like to see a breakdown of play types run the patriots and fumble % per that play as a league average.

  

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579. "I'd like to see that too. "
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>interceptions and incompletions aren't going to lead to more
>plays, as you say.

Incompletions do lead to more plays. They stop the clock. A passing team is always going to run more plays than the running team.

>do you have stats to support that less fumbles occur on slants
>and that the Patriots run a considerable amount more than the
>rest of the league? I'd like to see a breakdown of play types
>run the patriots and fumble % per that play as a league
>average.

I'd like to see that too. It's called a thorough study. Not just something that says, well, the Patriots should have fumbled more because they ran more plays or well, there seem to be a lot of dome teams at top so it must be the dome that is limiting fumbles even though the Falcons fumble more at home than on the road.

Although none of that might be needed. Although we're really just talking about five fumbles a year here so the difference might just be Brady, who fumbled double digits in 2013 and the Pats were among the worst in the league and fumbled 6 or less times in the years they were best in the league.

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583. "Looking like 2% more likely on rush than pass"
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No telling on routes but that alone can help explain some difference.

Also, QB fumbles are key. Washington has fumbled about three times more than Matt Ryan (22 fumbles) and half of the difference between both teams is eaten up by QB fumbles. The Patriots dropped to near last in 2013 when Brady coughed it up double digits.

Bottom line: this report is some junk science that doesn't look nearly enough into the stats to really come up with much.

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473. "STFU Kraft"
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474. "Robert Kraft out here power tripping."
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Got Godell by the balls, but people wanna argue that Godell is impartial.

Kraft just basically demanded an apology when the investigation doesn't turn up any wrongdoing.


HAHAHAHAHAHA.

  

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475. "That was fantastic."
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APOLOGIZE, YOU PEON FUCK.

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476. "He's gonna cut off the premium mac and cheese supply"
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482. "how so? he has nothing to do with Kraft Foods"
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assuming that's what you were implying with that banal stab at humor above..

  

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488. "thanks for clearing that up"
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489. "no sweat"
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591. "lmao "
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483. "NFL focusing on video of Patriots' locker-room attendant (swipe)"
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smoking gun surveillance video, details at 11. pats locker room attendant goes in a room with 12 footballs, atmospheric conditions ensue, comes out with all 12 footballs-- except the kicker's-- under-inflated.

with the fumble rate data, the (as i said before) suspiciously long track record of disproportionate success, and now this, it's pretty clear at this point that belichick is the bernie madoff of the NFL. he's basically been running a ponzi scheme on the entire league, and i wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that this has been going on since spygate. he looked for some other way to game the system and found one. the reason pete carroll never heard of the concept of properly inflated footballs is because pete carroll is a legitimate football coach and football coaches spend their time figuring out ways to beat their opponent at the game of football. tampering with the ball never occurs to them. belichick spends his time trying to figure out how to cheat his opponent at the game of football. tampering with the ball, taping his opponents practices, wiretapping locker rooms, and other such ponzi schemes is all he thinks about.

funny to watch pats fans in here laughing at belichick's "madmaking" abilities, clapping up his flip press conferences, when this whole thing is about to come down like a house of cards. the tarnishing of his legacy is pretty much the least of his worries at this point. he should be more concerned about the very real possibility of things taking a madoff-esque free fall into complete disgrace. at this point, a two-year suspension would be gracious. really, he should be out of the league.


http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/deflategate-fallout-nfl-focusing-on-patriots-locker-room-attendant-012615

Jay Glazer: NFL has interviewed Patriots locker room attendant
JAN 26, 5:11 PM

Deflategate has taken another twist.

FOX Sports has learned that the NFL has zeroed in on a New England Patriots locker-room attendant in connection with the scandal of improperly inflated footballs used in the AFC championship game against the Indianapolis Colts.

The person of interest was already interviewed by the league. The NFL is trying to determine whether any wrongdoing by this individual occurred, sources tell FOX Sports.

There is surveillance video showing the attendant taking the footballs from the official's locker room into another room at Gillette Stadium before bringing them out to the field, sources tell FOX Sports.

The NFL confiscated 11 of 12 footballs at halftime that were under the league-mandated air pressure of 12.5 PSI. The league has since launched an investigation into the matter.

Using an underinflated football can provide a competitive advantage by being easier to grip and throw, especially in the type of rainy weather conditions that surrounded the AFC title game.

New England head coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Tom Brady both have proclaimed innocence and said they were unaware how the footballs became underinflated.

"At no time was there any intent whatsoever to try to compromise the integrity of the game or to gain an advantage," Belichick said in an unscheduled availability on Saturday afternoon.

"Quite the opposite: we feel like we followed the rules of the game to the letter," he said. "We try to do everything right. We err on the side of caution. It's been that way now for many years. Anything that's close, we stay as far away from the line as we can."

Brady answered questions about the incident on Thursday.
"I didn't alter the ball in any way," Brady said. "I have a process before every game where I take the footballs I want to use for the game. Our equipment guys do a great job breaking the balls in for the game. Our equipment guys have a process they go through."

The Patriots left Boston on Monday -- hours before a massive snowstorm was due to hit the Northeast -- to head to Arizona to prepare for their Super Bowl XLIX showdown with the Seattle Seahawks on Sunday.

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486. ""Bernie Madoff of the NFL"...get real sissy. He's arguably the goat."
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To see how upset everyone got over this thing has been a treat.

I'm a Skins fan. Hell I WISH this was my team, so dominant for so long that losers in the media resort to something so frail as this to try to bring my club down. Get fucking real.

He's running a billion dollar business. Maybe they did deflate them a little, who gives a shit? They were markedly better than everyone all year- better coached, better prepared, executed better. Balls shmalls, THEYRE THE BEST. PERIOD.

Harbaugh bitching about playing only 4 linemen - KNOW THE RULES PUSSY THIS IS PRO SPORTS.

I hope they win, I really do.

Everyone blabs on about the integrity of the game:

The commissioner, a truly terrible guy who stands for nothing, yarns on about player safety while trying to add two games to the schedule.

The players, guys like Terell Suggs who for years talked about the arrogance of the Patriots while meanwhile dragging his wife along side his car.

Talking heads like Mark Brunnell. (I don't even have the energy, just Google "Mark Brunnell investments")

Bunch of shitty people, ALL OF THEM, don't you see?

Here's what you must understand - when the stakes are this high, when the money is this rich, when the coaches are this smart, when the players are this athletic, when the technology is now this advanced ALL BETS ARE FUCKING OFF.

this isn't Franco Harris' era folks. These people, from the owners down to the water boys, are bloodthirsty animals who feed almost solely on elite-level competition.

If you can't get over this then you clearly don't have a sense of what the NFL is in the first place.

  

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492. "You forgot to mention Ray Lewis talking about asterisks..."
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next to the Pats' accomplishments....as you said about Brunell, I don't even have the energy. Murder, PEDs, etc. That dude can shut the fuck up. Actually, he can keep talking cause he can't even articulate his thoughts appropriately and it's hilarious.

Anyway - your words are 100000% on point.

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564. "THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING WITH DIFFERENT FOOTBALLS"
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what don't you get about this? the game is called *football*. the patriots have been playing the game for the last eight years with different *footballs* than every other team in the league. if you can't grasp the significance of this, do yourself a favor and start watching figure skating.

we're talking about at minimum a one game per year advantage. suddenly, homefield advantage turns into a road game in the wildcard round. suddenly, squeaking into the playoffs turns into going home. suddenly, "the goat" is just another guy. and that's just the fumbles. never mind the receptions that would've otherwise bounced off receivers hands, pick-sixes that never happened, field position advantages-- we're talking a dozen or more negative outcomes per game that are magically avoided. again, if you think playing with a different football is no big deal, 1) you've never played football, 2) the math says you're wrong, and 3) you're an idiot. go watch volleyball.

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493. "Jerry talking about it"
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24997636/jerry-rice-if-patriots-win-super-bowl-you-have-to-put-an-asterisk-on-it

  

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496. "Great - another blowhard..."
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with absolutely no evidence working off varying reports.

Everyone's "talking about it."

Enjoy the Super Bowl, the Pats are in it.

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498. "Same Jerry who won on star-studded teams built by cap cheats?"
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Right, because 2 psi is so much more critical to winning than some extra pro-bowlers could ever be

Foh, he's the last one to speak (along with Luck-tanking colts and injury-faking giants)

  

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500. "what's it like in the world you live in?"
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502. "logical"
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"wow. "


  

          

  

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507. "wow. "
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499. "#90secondsgate"
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Andddddddddddd it's over.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

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501. "the nfl didn't leak it without reason. "
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please relax.

patriots fans keep declaring this over but it don't ever happen.

  

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503. "The NFL leaked it to try and save face..."
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from a half assed investigation into bullshit brought on by sore losers who can't figure out any other reasons they can't beat the Pats...not realizing the Pats are 2 steps ahead of them on this bullshit.

Good luck with that, bro.

Enjoy watching the Pats in the Super Bowl, tho.

Grasping. At. Straws. You and Goodell. You have an awful lot of confidence in the NFL considering all the happenings of this year. Goodell is a moron, you must know that by now.

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506. "wait."
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so the nfl saw the video of a dude going into a bathroom.

thought they would really show the pats they know what's up by leaking the information 6 days before the super bowl.

but the patriots somehow were 2 steps ahead by making it a bathroom by going back in time or something?

tf are you talking about?

Robert Kraft and Roger Goodell are best friends. Kraft is called the 'assistant commissioner.'

Roger is not leaking information like this without reason. Now that reason could be to exonerate his friend but why let it get this far? Why leak information?

Maybe the NFL is trying to save face by appearing hard-ass on this but I don't think anyone is going to buy the rogue ball boy theory from a team that's a) cheated before b) has the quarterback who led the crusade to loosen ball preparation guidelines c) has a coach that two weeks was the wizard of the rulebook and d) a team known for a 'way' that everyone buys 'into' from top to bottom. everyone just #doingtheirjob.

Ignorance is not an excuse.

  

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508. "Wat, dude."
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He was in the bathroom for 90 seconds. Tell me again how this is even proof of a "rogue ball boy," nevermind your blind faith that this is a team-wide conspiracy to deflate footballs.

Fuck outta here.

And to the rest of your bullshit, again you have an awful lot of faith in the league and Goodell making the right leaks at the right times and being on point considering all the events of this past 8 months or whatever.

Enjoy watching the Pats in the Super Bowl.

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512. "So what exactly do you think happened?"
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Miracle?

Jesus himself came down and made only Patriots-owned balls 2-PSI under the legal limit?

Or maybe the weather did it but Jesus only cared enough to re-inflate Indy balls?

Stop being a fool. The most likely scenario is that a human tampered with the balls and that they have for a long period time considering Indy was already suspicious (and who else?).

  

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515. "Speaking of not knowing the facts..."
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there's been new reports indicating that the balls were maybe not even 1 PSI below the level, nevermind 2. So, read up.

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519. "I am following this more closely than anyone"
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you can't choose which reports to ignore and which to believe.

the likely scenario is that they were up to ~2-PSI lighter.

Which still doesn't explain why all of them were and not Indy's.

  

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522. "Apparently not."
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You should do more reading.

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524. "Give me one example of me not knowing the facts?"
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I know the report. At best it's inconclusive. It does not in any way reduce the seriousness of the investigation.

  

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530. "Give me one example of a fact..."
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which implicates the Patriots in any wrongdoing? You're hanging your entire argument on this NFL leak, not even from the NFL directly, about some $30k a year ballboy who took a piss before bringing the balls to the field.

But go ahead and tell me that this is a leaguewide conspiracy to cover up for the Pats, and not damage Super Bowl week. Tell me again how much you trust the NFL's investigation in this situation...while simultaneously telling me that Goodell is in Kraft's pocket. Kind of conflicting statements there playa.

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535. "Again, you simply cannot pay attention."
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I have suggested two possibilities for why the league has investigated this so fully.

The first and most likely is that they believe there is real foul play here. After the year they've had - why further damage their reputation with ANOTHER CHEATING SCANDAL?

My second suggestion is more a concern about the close relationship of Kraft/Goodell and how the league can't sustain any more controversy. Give the impression of thorough investigation but I honestly think that involves too many third parties to hold-up.

That said, the league brought this up from what I can tell. The 'rogue executive' theory about a former Jets guy causing all this trouble doesn't hold water with me. Seems unlikely someone would risk a cushy gig for an old beef over nothing or flimsy evidence.

The NFL destroyed the SPYGATE evidence. Anything is possible.

But they wouldn't mention this video or this person without reason. Is it to pin the blame on him and let the Pats 'skate?' Or is it because there's something there?

Maybe right now it's just sprawl but once we show that tape to Marty, anything can happen.

  

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539. "Oh I'm paying full attention. You're contradicting yourself..."
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all over the place. And it's fine. If I wasn't a Pats fan I'd be searching desperately for reasons they keep winning, and desperately clinging to anything, no matter how trivial and probably unfounded as well.

But luckily I'll be watching the Pats try and win #4 on Sunday and I hope you can have some fun watching, too.

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542. "Please point out contradictions."
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I am openly considering multiple ideas, which is probably confusing to someone so simple.

Either the NFL is investigating this because it's serious and they suspect foul play. Or, they are trying to exonerate the Patriots.

There is no option where Tom Brady's first born son that nobody talks about anymore was playing with the balls and made them deflated and it was totally an accident and we'll all laugh about it later.

It is completely and perfectly logical to suspect foul play but also be wary of the close relationship between the team and the commissioner.

That is rational. Logical. It makes sense to harbor both beliefs.

  

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550. "Dude. Seriously. Get some sleep."
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>I am openly considering multiple ideas, which is probably
>confusing to someone so simple.

You're "considering multiple ideas" while presenting your anti-Patriots bias in such convincing fashion. You're "considering multiple ideas," and your opinion is based on "leaks" from the NFL and absolutely zero facts.


>Either the NFL is investigating this because it's serious and
>they suspect foul play. Or, they are trying to exonerate the
>Patriots.

^^^ case in point.


>There is no option where Tom Brady's first born son that
>nobody talks about anymore was playing with the balls and made
>them deflated and it was totally an accident and we'll all
>laugh about it later.

Uhhh. Ok. Good joke?


>It is completely and perfectly logical to suspect foul play
>but also be wary of the close relationship between the team
>and the commissioner.

^^^ case in point part 2.


>That is rational. Logical. It makes sense to harbor both
>beliefs.

I mean, yea, it makes sense if you're desperately attempting to discredit an organization which has had unprecedented success for so long.

Enjoy the Super Bowl.

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556. "Everyone knows I hate the Patriots. Are you new here?"
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Please give me a convincing story that makes foul play not the most likely scenario.

Please tell me where the patriots aren't known rule breakers.

I'm waiting. I'll wait all night.

  

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561. "It's already been explained to you all clean and tidy."
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Quite unlike your argument here.

And "I'll wait all night" is kinda hilarious considering your "at least my self-esteem isn't tied into my sports teams!" comments below.

Get some sleep bro. Maybe it'll get better on Sunday. Maybe it won't.

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562. "again, saying nothing."
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please. 'cite' something for me.

  

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528. "the most likely scenario is"
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the refs just didn't check that shit as thoroughly as they say they did, and probably rarely ever did, because until last game, it was never a scandal or something that ever registered a blip on the give a shit meter.

Now if they did in fact check them, its already been suggested that Luck likes his footballs at 13.5 (or higher)...or that the colts footballs had a few minutes to warm back up by the time the refs got to checking them

You don't have to have reading rainbow imagination skills to think of a half dozen easy explanations that don't involve nefarious plots

...honestly, if Pats are so conniving, and Belichik knows every detail, and Sal Palantonio cant go take a leak without Patriots officials knowing, youre telling me they sent a ballboy into the bathroom and kept the camera on? Lol

  

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531. "^^^ I wasn't even gonna touch the Colts/Luck thing..."
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I figured he might be smart enough to eventually figure that out on his own, considering he's more well versed on this than anyone (so he says).

But he keeps proving me wrong.

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537. "you continue to amaze me"
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who said the video is of the man pissing?

that's kind of a weird suggestion.....

  

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552. "lol what? you gotta be trolling now"
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560. "you just suggested the video is of the man pissing"
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no. the report suggests it's of a man going into another room (a bathroom, the report says) with the footballs - which at best is still a violation of rules/policy (I'd imagine?).

  

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563. "^^^^ CLINGING"
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Don't fall too hard man.

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566. "clinging to what?"
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patriots fans such as you two continue to mock the reporting on this case when it doesn't suit you.

over and over, new material comes to light and other things are made more clear.

you continue to fight them.

because you cannot live in a world where these known cheaters cheat.

learn from your brethren. you are not this team. if they are slimey - it doesn't mean you are. if they lose - it doesn't reflect on you as a person.

let go.

  

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569. "Difference between my argument and yours is that..."
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I am arguing these NFL leaks with other leaks proving the NFL's leaks to be weak and "circumstantial" if you can even call them that.

For example, today. The NFL is pissed that Belichick called their bluff on Saturday. The NFL responds today, in a cowardly fashion mind you (the Pats were flying and the NFL's "leak" mysteriously/conveniently pops up) that they are chasing a ballboy who took the balls after the refs inspected them, to "another area". Another "leak" (equally as credible as yours/the NFL's) indicates the fucking kid went to the bathroom for NINETY FUCKING SECONDS. And you're still arguing that THEY'RE CHEATERS! With absolutely nothing substantial to base your argument on.

You can scream "SPYGATE" from the mountaintops if you want. Nobody gives a fuck besides you whiny losers. Prove to me that anyone important in this organization.....fuck it, prove to me that ANYONE AT ALL in this organization tampered with those footballs. Otherwise, enjoy fighting on hypotheticals based primarily on nothing but an 8 year old scandal.

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571. "So Bill 'called their bluff'"
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and the league's response was to say YEAH WELL SOME GUY WENT PEE?


  

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576. "It's pretty evident you're dead set on having the last word..."
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and considering you have no evidence-driven argument, I'll let you do that.

But quickly in response to this, I will reiterate that it's hysterical how much faith you seem to have in the league making the right maneuvers in an investigation considering....everything they've done since Goodell took over. Your argument is 100% based on unwavering confidence in the league's investigation skills, and that's great. I wish you luck with that fight.

Enjoy the Super Bowl on Sunday. The Pats are playing. For the 6th time in 15 years.

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577. "It's much more unlikely"
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the balls accidentally deflated this one time than it's a systematic process of known cheaters to seek minor competitive advantages any way they can.

  

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573. "lol no I didn't. I think you need sleep "
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You'll read more clearly tomorrow

  

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575. "RE: lol no I didn't. I think you need sleep "
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'youre telling me they sent a ballboy into the bathroom and kept the camera on? Lol'

They sent a man into a bathroom and recorded him while he was in there?

Sick stuff.

  

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578. "its time. Just get it over with and become a Patriots fan. "
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517. "Not Goodell, Mike Kensil."
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NFL's Director of Operations is a former Jets executive supposedly is no fan of the Pats and I wouldn't be surprised if he was the guy leaking info.

Makes sense when all of the leaked info has turned out to be false and make the Pats look bad.

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521. "Oh right. "
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After this entire year we now have a 'rogue executive' who is acting in isolation to besmirch the Patriots.

As if Roger is going to stand for that in Super Bowl week?

A rogue executive risking his job to leak stories about going pee-pee?

  

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525. "Tell me more about how 11 footballs can be deflated..."
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in a bathroom in 90 seconds.

Please, tell me all about that.

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529. "You're a real genius at this."
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I never said that's what happened.

I am saying it's most likely that foul play is involved.

What's more ludicrous? An NFL team known for cheating cheats. Or that the NFL has leaked information about taking a piss because they thought it was meaningful?

  

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533. "Grasping man."
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Your desperation is palpable at this point. Hope you enjoy the Super Bowl.

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540. "Yet again, nothing to say."
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What I have suggested as the most likely situation here will always remain the most likely situation considering what we know right now.

There is no reason for one team's inspected footballs to be under-inflated while the opposing teams inspected footballs are apparently fine across-the-board.

Especially when there were suspicions already about this team that has cheated in the past.

Point out the flaws in my logic. Please.

Bring me some science that proves how this could happen. I don't want some concocted story about the Colts putting their balls into different kinds of bags with different insulation or how their ball boy was inflating them to make the pats' balls look bad.

With what we know. What is most likely?

Because in your world the Patriots are somehow 'two steps ahead' about a video of a guy walking into a bathroom. Which is nonsense.

  

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545. "I say nothing now because..."
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your argument (along with the national media's) is devoid of facts implicating anyone in the organization of any wrongdoing. A kid was in the bathroom for 90 seconds, after grabbing the balls from the refs who, according to the NFL (who you trust so dearly) inspected the balls and confirmed they were at legal PSI levels.

Then he brought them to the field.

So tell me, again, when the Pats tampered with the balls.

Your argument about the Colts' balls being at legal levels has already been called into question, so I don't have to speak to that.

Again, provide me some proof that the balls were tampered with. Otherwise, enjoy the Super Bowl. I certainly will.

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549. "Head in the sand. "
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Just going to cause you more problems in the future because the integrity of this franchise is already damaged beyond repair.

The media is out to get them! The league is out to get them! The team misunderstood the rules except for when they are wizards of the rulebook! Do it for Myra! Do your job!

  

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557. "I was at Applebee's with my dad when Bo got hurt. "
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Sucked man. I was sad too

  

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559. "how tf old are you? I was like 8. "
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We didn't even have Applebee's in NH at the time, dingus.

  

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565. "9"
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567. "you old as fuck and you were at the Harris Inn not Applebees"
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574. "Harris Inn in Pelham? nope"
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544. "So then who leaked it?"
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Who leaked that 11 balls were 2 psi under, which isn't true.

Who leaked that they had a person of interest, which was a kid taking a piss?

Someone is leaking these stories to reporters. And somehow, they all come out with an anti-Pats slant.

And now there are the reports that Kensil was on the sidelines of the Pats/Colts game and, from the jump, wanted the balls checked at halftime.

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547. "You really want to join this team of weirdos?"
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The idea that there is no indication of foul play yet a rogue executive has now launched a serious investigation (involving digging up video, interviewing dozens of people, etc) against the team owned by the commissioner's best friend is ludicrous.

If your story is true - why leak the potty time video story? If it's so irrelevant? Why has Roger allowed it to continue if there isn't a shred of evidence of wrong-doing?

How is this still a story with new reports from Mort, Glazer, and Schefter? They are risking their reputations on a personal grudge some guy with a cushy (probably 8 figure job) has?

What is more likely? You're the one critiquing statistics above. What is most likely here?

Why would anyone in the league's front office further damage the integrity and reputation of this league?

  

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555. "If Goodell was so desperate to foster his relationship with Kraft..."
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why would this even be a story in the first place? This could've been swept up a lot cleaner than this.

And again, we shouldn't have to re-hash the Ray Rice situation but I will if you really want to continue to desperately cling to your "but but the NFL wouldn't have investigated this so thoroughly if it wasn't serious!" argument.

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558. "Right, the NFL didn't investigate Rice thoroughly enough."
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Mortensen, the man who broke this story, revealed the contents of the Rice tape ....what...two months before TMZ had it?

You're proving my point.

We can look at this different ways, I think.

Either the NFL is incompetent at investigating things and always will be. (unlikely considering the criticism this multi-billion dollar organization has received this year)

Or, they didn't investigate Rice enough but ARE investigating this enough...which proves they consider it serious. Right?

  

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568. "So, again, who is leaking these stories?"
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First off, I've never said that the Patriots didn't cheat or that there might not be foul play. But I would also argue that the two sides aren't mutually exclusive: the Pats could cheat and Kensil or someone could still have a vendetta against them.

The Sharpe report on fumbles is junk science. Doesn't mean the Pats didn't cheat. Just means that that is a laughable way to "prove" it.

>If your story is true - why leak the potty time video story?
>If it's so irrelevant? Why has Roger allowed it to continue if
>there isn't a shred of evidence of wrong-doing?

Because guys run with half truths all the time. Someone finds out they have a person of interest who took the footballs into another area before heading out to the field. They leak it to Glazer. Glazer runs it. Then they realize, oh shit, it was a bathroom.

I mean, the media hasn't exactly been doing a good job from the jump on this. First it was D'Qwell Jackson who noticed, then he said it wasn't him. Then it was the equipment manager who ran it up the line but Pagano seemed to refute that. Now people are saying a pissed off Harbaugh told the Colts to watch the football's inflation although there were also reports that the Colts reported the Patriots earlier in the season and the NFL did nothing.


>What is more likely? You're the one critiquing statistics
>above. What is most likely here?

>Why would anyone in the league's front office further damage
>the integrity and reputation of this league?

So, again, who is leaking the stories? Glazer, Mort, and Schefter are getting the leaks from somewhere. These leaks are happening. These leaks are appearing to be wrong. And the NFL is looking bad.

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570. "So now Mort, Schefter, and Glazer"
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are getting bum information, they are continually proved wrong, but still run with it? day after day?

Most of the things you say are not essential to the case - but they are also still vague or uncertain (at best).

The Colts say they revealed their suspicions as part of this investigation. So, the important piece of the story is likely true.

Maybe Harbough tipped the Colts off...would he admit he did? After the Patriots laughed in their face about not knowing the rules a week before? But now Tom and Bill 'don't know' about football? It's kind of irrelevant to whether or not there WAS foul play, though, isn't it?

This has been going on for like 8 days now. Again, the idea of a rogue executive with beef doesn't hold water. I never said he didn't have beef - just that he wouldn't risk his job and the league's integrity over it. Highly unlikely. And even more unlikely that there's nothing here and Roger is just letting them run this shit into the ground.

  

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581. "Third times the charm: Who is leaking the stories? "
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This thing has been going on for 8 days because reporters keep getting fed info, often times false. You seem to be acting like there's no way the NFL is leaking these stories.

The fact is that somebody gave Jay Glazer the story about the kid disappearing with the footballs. You don't understand how the NFL would do it and make themselves look bad but its happening.

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592. "You're confused, I see now."
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the NFL (or someone working with or acting on behalf) is absolutely leaking these stories. I have never suggested otherwise.

What I'm saying is that a guy isn't doing this and risking his job because of a grudge. he's doing it because he has something.

  

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596. "The leak leak makes zero sense."
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The "They are leaking because they have something" angle would make sense if the leaks weren't often wrong and mostly make the NFL look worse than the Patriots.

You don't leak a suspect story like the 90 seconds in the bathroom unless you have more to make it seem reasonable. You don't leak something that most people will think seems questionable. And reporters often sit on stories so they had to give Glazer the go ahead to run with the "Person of Interest" story knowing that the other facts would likely get out and make people question it. (Because the Pats handed over the tape and had talked to the kid so you know they had info to leak to make it look bad.)

If anything, I'd believe more that the leaks were designed to help the Patriots since they keep presenting damning facts that then prove to be less than damning. If Goodell was such good friends with Kraft, you'd think he'd tell him not to backup his boys because he had something on him.

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601. "The report was under inflated balls"
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The balls were under-inflated.

The other stuff is all less-than-essential and there's been nothing important that was 'outright false.' Please tell me which reports were so wrong or off-base as you say? Like I said like 15 posts ago, at best the stories are still uncertain.

So the idea that everything coming out is wrong....is wrong.

Why would Roger even let it get this far?

  

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605. "Cause Roger is a moron."
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As if we need further proof of that. Apparently you do.

Roger is an idiot.

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607. "I'm not buying that the league"
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will continue to mismanage controversy.

Maybe. But that kind of works against you, doesn't it? Because if the investigation is just a ploy to appear more 'in control' - then why even bring it up? The suggestion Roger is a moron more likely means he's going to try another cover-up, I think.

That said, you don't become commissioner by being a moron. He's connected and he knows how to handle most situations. If there wasn't something here, he'd stop it. I doubt he lacks control to such an extent that Soul Honky's rogue executive is the sole reason behind this story.

  

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572. "And the Harbough story is days-old at this point"
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So it's not some 'now' revelation.

  

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511. "^ said it all for me. And u gotta love all this new faith in refs lol"
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514. "wingus and dingus here "
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making all the rational patriots fans look bad

  

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518. "And you're...what, defending the NFL?"
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Good luck with that, too. Cause they've undoubtedly been a shining example of integrity and investigative thoroughness throughout this year and Goodell's run as a whole.

Good work, bud. They should hire you full time at this point. I'll send this post to Roger. Though he may not last too much longer.

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527. "Right. Because the league makes a mistake"
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It's OK if the Patriots systematically cheat?

This post is full of apologetic patriots fans distancing themselves from this.

You desperately want to believe that your heroes aren't cheaters. Apparently your self worth and self identity are so deeply entwined with being a fan of a winning football team that the idea of foul play is unbearable.

Keep saying it's over. Because every day we got something to throw onto the pile.

  

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534. "Distancing ourselves eh?"
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I'm right here. Telling you to present me one tiny piece of tangible evidence to prove that this is a conspiracy to deflate footballs, otherwise stop with the desperation and enjoy the Pats in the Super Bowl Sunday.

All the shit you clowns have "thrown into the pile" has been desperate, sore-loser bullshit. The "illegal formations" were totally legal. Belichick addressed "Spygate" and was punished for something everyone in the league had done up to that point, they stupidly did it a bit longer than allowed under loose rules. Now you're fighting over a league investigation into "wrongdoing" they have absolutely NO solid evidence of, yet you're fighting tooth and nail for it.

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536. "You literally cannot read. "
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"full of" does not imply "all"

I am suggesting that you and your cohort join the ranks of the more reasonable and quiet.

  

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541. "Which is something I will not do."
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Any so-called Patriots fan "distancing themselves" from this bullshit sourced by whiny losers can go cheer for another team. I'll continue to argue that until you, or Goodell, or the NFL, or anybody provides some significant proof that something illegal took place, the Patriots did nothing wrong. And then I'll go watch them fight for a 4th Lombardi on Sunday.

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543. "So I was right, once again"
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Your self worth and identity is tied completely to a team of known cheaters.

Do it for Myra.

  

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546. "I laugh at your loser mentality."
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548. "I laugh at someone who's self esteem is tied to football"
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551. "I laugh at attempts at personal attacks..."
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in a conversation about deflated footballs. LOL

Talk about deflecting.

It's "whose," by the way.

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554. "I have no reason to deflect."
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I'm still waiting for the things I got wrong, the flaws in my logic, and what you think happened that is totally and completely innocent and not at all suspicious.

Also, for my contradictions. Of which you say they are so many.

  

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505. "LOL comedians are gonna be having a field day with this"
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580. "90 seconds is more than enough time to deflate 11 footballs"
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how could anyone seriously think this is somehow a defense? 11 balls, 90 seconds-- that's 8 seconds per ball. you could easily do it in under a minute. do people think there's some complicated process to taking some air out of a football? it takes two seconds. take the pats footballs out, put them on the floor-- pssh, pssh, pssh, pssh. easily under a minute.

yeah, sorry to burst your bubble, kids, but this is actually the smoking gun. there's no reason for a pats locker room attendant to be alone with the footballs after they've been approved by the officials. there's even less reason for a pats locker room attendant to be alone IN A LOCKED BATHROOM with the footballs after they've been approved by officials. what would even be the defense here? he had to go to the bathroom so bad that he took all the footballs in with him? 24 footballs went into that bathroom having been approved by the officials. 11 footballs came out of that bathroom and were judged under-inflated by those very same officials. those 11 footballs just so happened to all belong to the patriots, with the lone exception being the kicker's ball, for obvious reasons. the fact that this is a team with a long history of cheating is just icing. anyone who can't connect dot A to dot B here is flat-out lying to themselves.

and clearly a locker room attendant is not gonna go into a bathroom and deflate the team's footballs without being expressly directed to by both the coach and the quarterback. you're right, brew, it is over. i'll be stunned if belichick coaches a game next season. he should be out of the league. brady with him.

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582. "Now you're making stuff up."
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The lone exception being the kicker's ball? The K-balls are kept separate from the balls that are put into play. The 24 footballs were for use in play.

I can see the Pats cheating but to tell a kid to walk down a hallway with a camera in it and then take the air out of the footballs as quickly as possible is sub-Scooby Doo villain.

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584. "regulation footballs went into the bathroom"
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tampered footballs came out of the bathroom. all tampered footballs belonged to the patriots. locker room attendant worked for the patriots. this is not rocket science. you think they'd care there was a video camera in the hallway when they've been doing this for EIGHT YEARS? the only reason anyone even looked at the video is because the pats got caught. and you're saying scooby doo villain like we're not talking about the guy who spent years secretly taping other team's practices. there's a long history of *exactly* this kind of thing. there's math that says they've been doing this for years.

just curious though. what's the defense for pats fans gonna be when they start pulling surveillance video from previous NFL stadiums and seeing pats locker room attendants carrying newly-approved footballs into the nearest locked room for 90 seconds of quality time? there isn't a shred of doubt in my mind that that's where this is headed. this was a system. this was a well-oiled operation. they had the timing down, they had the rooms scouted out beforehand. this was not a temporary lapse of judgment. and for anyone who doesn't think deflated footballs are any big deal, if that's the case, why would they risk all this? why would they go to these lengths to do it? dot A meet dot B.

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585. "Again, you're making stuff up."
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>just curious though. what's the defense for pats fans gonna
>be when they start pulling surveillance video from previous
>NFL stadiums and seeing pats locker room attendants carrying
>newly-approved footballs into the nearest locked room for 90
>seconds of quality time?

The opposing team's locker room attendant would be handling the footballs in that case, just as the attendant had the Colts' footballs in this game. Or do you think NFL teams just opt to let the Patriots take care of the footballs every game?

I mean, c'mon, sending someone in to tape a practice compared to this Spy vs. Spy shit you believe happened here isn't even close. If Spygate happened right now, you'd probably be talking about Belichick having some invisible drones that were hovering around in the opposition's hotel rooms.

> there isn't a shred of doubt in my
>mind that that's where this is headed. this was a system.
>this was a well-oiled operation. they had the timing down,
>they had the rooms scouted out beforehand. this was not a
>temporary lapse of judgment.

A well-oiled, scouted operation that had them going into a bathroom in a hallway with a camera on it which then forced them to rush the deflating of the footballs to Tom's ideal PSI.

It's astonishing how people can take a situation that seems like the Patriots obviously had something to do with the deflated footballs and then embrace an angle so silly that most people are laughing about it.

I mean, the Eagles former ball boy said that all it took was a few guys to stand around him to get it done.

> and for anyone who doesn't think
>deflated footballs are any big deal, if that's the case, why
>would they risk all this? why would they go to these lengths
>to do it? dot A meet dot B.

Nice circular logic.

Deflated balls were key so the Patriots came up with this elaborate plan which proves how key the deflated balls were.

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586. "don't stop believin'"
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the hoops you're jumping through to talk yourself out of the truth are honestly some of the shiniest i've ever seen. now i kinda just want to see your face the moment we get the next tape of a pats locker room attendant taking a bathroom break with 24 footballs and you realize belichick isn't a real nigerian prince. imagine it'll look something like this:

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590. "What are you talking about?"
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You've made up facts to support your theory. You're ignoring Occam's razor and instead are believing that the Pats are putting their hopes in the hands in a rushed attendant.

If the story is true, I think there's a more logical explanation. That Mike Florio's source is wrong about the 90 seconds because who the hell is Mike Florio?

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587. "Maybe just maybe, Goodell sucks at his job. "
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He is singlehandedly the NFL's biggest PR nightmare. Not the players. Not the owners. Him. If nothing comes from this supposed scandal, its more evidence for Goodell being a bad commissioner.

  

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594. "A better commish coulda brushed this under the rug eventually"
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but he has a long history of poor decisions, his integrity is highly questionable, and after a season of guffaws he now has to sacrifice the patriots in order to reclaim some semblance of legitimacy.

its sad.

  

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595. "A league with integrity problems"
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sure wouldn't benefit from a scandal like this the week of the Super Bowl.

  

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589. "the biggest non-story in sports history"
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593. "the country's biggest sports league"
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with a multi-time champion with a history of cheating is once again under investigation for systematic rule breaking.

the integrity of the league is at stake following spygate. competitive fairness is questioned. the brand is being damaged.

  

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597. "Did you read this before you posted it?"
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>the integrity of the league is at stake following spygate.
>competitive fairness is questioned. the brand is being
>damaged.

  

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599. "he not being serious. fuckin league has a team named redskins"
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604. "75% serious"
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I can guarantee Roger didn't want this before the Super Bowl.

If it's 'nothing,' then the league's administrative office is in worse shape than we thought.

If it's 'something,' then we also have to worry about more evidence being destroyed and conflicts of interest between the owner and commissioner.

  

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614. "you do understand half the country will watch the Super Bowl?"
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603. "what is unclear?"
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competitive fairness is questionable at this point when you have a team breaking the rules and winning titles.

the league already had a brand issue and now this, before the super bowl?

there's a problem here no matter which way you want to slice it on how 'badly' they cheated this time.

  

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598. "I can't believe this post has 100 replies less known over 500"
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602. "you think cheating is OK. "
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that's a problem you have to deal with internally, I can't help you through the internet

  

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606. "DRASTIC change, post-rule, in Pats' fumble rate (LINK): "
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http://t.co/xOGrR27BjT

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Dropped Balls
The Patriots became nearly fumble-proof after a 2006 rule change backed by Tom Brady.
By Warren Sharp

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Tom Brady of the New England Patriots “The thing is, every quarterback likes a little bit different,” Tom Brady said at the time he was pushing for the rule change.

Photo by Al Bello/Getty Images

In light of the ongoing ball deflation scandal consuming the New England Patriots, football data analyst Warren Sharp revisited the Patriots’ extraordinary recent fumble statistics that he covered last week and found something even more surprising. A slightly different version of this post first appeared on Sharp’s own site. It is reprinted with his permission.

While speculation exists that “Deflategate” was a one-time occurrence, data I introduced last week indicated that the phenomena could have potentially been an ongoing, long-standing issue for the New England Patriots. That possibility now looks much clearer.

Initially, looking at weather data, I noticed the Patriots performed extremely well in the rain, much more so than they were projected to. I followed that up by looking at the fumble data, which showed, regardless of weather or site, that the Patriots’ prevention of fumbles was nearly impossible. Ironically, both studies saw the same exact starting point: Something started for the Patriots in 2007 that is still going on today.

I wanted to compare the New England Patriots’ fumble rate from 2000, when coach Bill Belichick first arrived in New England, with the rest of the NFL. One thing I found in my prior research was that dome teams fumble substantially less frequently, given that they play at least eight-plus games out of the elements each year. To keep every team on a more level playing field, I eliminated dome teams from the analysis, grabbed only regular season games, and defined plays as pass attempts added with rushes and times sacked. The below results also look only at total fumbles, not just lost fumbles. This brought us to the ability to capture plays per fumble.

To confirm something was dramatically different in New England, starting in 2007 and running through the present, I compared the 2000–06 time period (when the Patriots won all of their Super Bowls) with the 2007–2014 time period. The beauty of data is that results speak for themselves:
150126_SN_chart01

Courtesy of Warren Sharp

This chart is jaw-dropping, and the visual perfectly depicts what happened. From a more technical perspective, John Candido, a data scientist at ZestFinance who is a colleague of mine over at the NFLproject.com website and was also involved in the development of this research, comments:

Based on the assumption that plays per fumble follow a normal distribution, you’d expect to see, according to random fluctuation, the results that the Patriots have gotten since 2007 once in 5,842 instances.

Which in layman’s terms means that this result only being a coincidence is like winning a raffle where you have a 0.0001711874 probability to win. In other words, it’s very unlikely that results this abnormal are only due to the endogenous nature of the game.

While these data do not prove the Patriots deflated footballs starting in 2007, we know they were interested in gaining control of their own footballs in 2006. (This is something I found out after I performed the first two analyses, both of which independently found that something changed starting in 2007.)

In 2006, Tom Brady (and Peyton Manning) lobbied in favor of changing an NFL rule that mandated home teams provided game balls for both teams. Brady wanted the NFL to let every team provide its own footballs to use on offense, even when that team was playing on the road. After Brady and Manning’s efforts, the NFL agreed to change the rule. Prior to that change, there would be relatively little advantage to playing with deflated footballs because both teams would be using the same balls.



“The thing is, every quarterback likes it a little bit different,” Brady said at the time he was pushing for the change. “Some like them blown up a little bit more, some like them a little more thin, some like them a little more new, some like them really broken in.”

You can clearly see the demarcation line on the following two graphs. The data are the same, but details are added in the second graph to provide additional information and context:
150126_SN_chart02
150126_SN_chart03

Charts courtesy of Warren Sharp

Once again, a key takeaway is deadly obvious: Prior to 2007 the Patriots were right in line with the league averages across the other nondome teams. When you look team by team, they literally are in the middle of the pack for most seasons. But starting in 2007, all similarities totally vanish.

The statistical “jump” the Patriots make in the 2006 offseason, from one fumble every 39 plays to one fumble every 76 plays is nothing short of remarkable. Their trend line over this period is not even close to that of the rest of the NFL.

The 2013 season is an oddity in that the Patriots were actually slightly worse than the rest of the NFL. Looking at that season, it’s apparent the reason: Of the Patriots’ 23 fumbles that season, six occurred in a single Sunday night game against the Broncos. That game was played in 22-degree weather, with 22 mph winds, and a wind chill of 6 degrees (cold conditions of this nature causing more fumbles than usual). It was this Week 12 “arctic” game and a Week 17 game against the Bills—which saw four fumbles—that really put the Patriots fumble rates for 2013 out of sync. This is exactly why looking at small sample sets, such as single seasons, is not the preferred method for these types of analyses.

Why are fumbles so important? Because as Bill Belichick knows, perhaps as good as anyone, turnovers usually control game outcomes. Since 2000, teams who won the turnover battle won 79 percent of their games, regardless of any other statistic. It’s clear how vital turnovers should be in the minds of intelligent coaches. As far as turnovers are concerned, the No. 1 issue for a team with a quarterback as skilled and proficient as Tom Brady is not interceptions (because there won’t be many), it’s fumbles.

Many arguments have been raised to try to explain why the Patriots don’t fumble as often as other teams. Many of them are challenged by some of the data. If it were coaching, former players should be able to tell us that Bill Belichick suddenly and drastically changed the way he instructed players to carry the football in the 2006 offseason. But the data show that if a mysterious trade secret were delivered, the players forgot about it when they left New England, as their individual fumble rates became drastically worse when playing for other NFL teams.

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A few things: 1) It's an interesting chart, and I applaud the author for listening to criticism and dropping the "fumbles lost" table, which is a bad stat to use. More...

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The bottom line is, something happened in New England. It happened just before the 2007 season, and it completely changed this team. Any NFL investigations into allegations that the Patriots played regularly with deflated footballs would be wise to reference my research herein and to begin starting in 2006. That was when Tom Brady was able to help persuade the NFL to change its rules to allow him (and other quarterbacks) to provide their own footballs for all road games. I will reiterate, this analysis cannot say it was, undoubtedly, illegal football deflation that caused the data abnormalities. But it does conclude that something absolutely changed, and it was not the result of simple random fluctuation.

Because I was asked so often for the data that I used in the first analysis, as a courtesy, I am going to link to an excel file with all the summary data used to create the graphics shown above.

Warren Sharp runs the football analytics site Sharp Football Analysis.





















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608. "I been trying to point that out this whole time"
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TOM LED THE CHARGE to change the ball-handling rules.

  

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609. "but the stats, tho. that shit is damning. like, casinos wouldn't fk"
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w/ these dudes off some results like that.


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610. "I misread at first, thought it said Warren Sapp"
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611. "what else have they been doing?"
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there's no way this is the only way they've been cheating

  

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613. "wrong thread"
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