As I recall, if that rule had not been in place, they would not have won that game and perhaps Drew Bledsoe would have been put back as the starter. The Raidaz would have won ther SB that year.
The link didn't open at my j.o. but I remember when that bad call (that ain't a rule anymore) happened. Raidaz would have won.
11. "apparently they needed more than 13 points, so no. they didnt." In response to Reply # 7 Wed Jan-14-15 03:21 PM by cgonz00cc
Edit: and my point is that one incomplete pass only defines Tom Brady's career to idiots. Because he has a list of accomplishments that have nothing to do with the Tuck Rule. Even further, he still had more winning to do *after* the tuck rule. So anyone who boils his career down to that is a moron.
8. "Drew Bledsoe was NEVER going to be the starter again" In response to Reply # 2
Belichick's record with Bledsoe was 5-13. People forget quickly how much Belichick was being questioned after that first bad year and then starting the very next season 0-2.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
13. "this is beyond dumb, What if Ray Lewis went to jail for 25 years " In response to Reply # 0
so if Mo Lewis never hurt bledsoe then... if bill belichek never left the jets after 1 day...
what iffing to this level is insane, especially because he clearly would have kept starting and winning. I'm not sure his career changes one bit actually, he'd just have 1 less ring
18. "I wouldn't go all the way that far but...." In response to Reply # 0
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They don't win that game so at the very least that's one Super Bowl victory on someone else's resume. The Raiders aren't as some people not me refer to them as, cursed so to speak. Spygate looks different later on as well. I'm not saying Tom Brady wouldn't be looked at as great but he's not referred to as better than Joe Montana without that game.
20. "Lewis's DQ* rating is off the charts at this point." In response to Reply # 0
That's like saying no one would know Ray Lewis if he hadn't sold out his boys on a murder wrap.
* DQ = Douchebag Quotient = Great plays on field divided by (foul plays on field + Jackass statements off the field)
____ Some will tell you that they love you but they've got an ulterior motive - Oh what a shame They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain
but the tuck rule did give Brady the opportunity to make the plays needed to win the game and advance. He still had to make the plays though. The Raiders had the opportunity to stop him again. Can only play the cards you're dealt.
"Dressed up like an evil villain dressed up like a soccer dad"
37. "even since spygate, he's been the best QB in the league" In response to Reply # 32
when you combine regular season W/L, awards, stats, and number of post season wins. just sayin. If his production fell off a cliff you'd have a point but his record is 90-23 since 2007. 90-23. That's insane. Yeah no superbowl wins thanks to Eli. We know.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
He played okay during that '01 run as more or less a game manager, but was certainly no lock to come back the following year as a starter- if their season ends in their first playoff game. Drew Bledsoe probably comes back as the Pats starter, rather than heading to Dallas, and Brady is back on the bench... maybe eventually becoming a Matt Cassell or something... who knows.
But that tuck rule, and Brady's limited role at the time, and getting A LOT OF HELP (and luck) along the way, won a Superbowl, and then another one. Spygate may or may not have helped there, in two games that ONE play could have changed the outcome of.
The bottom line is this. Winning breeds confidence, and confidence breeds success... so Brady's initial success in the league was the combination of a perfect storm of events, and he GREW into the quarterback he is today. There are a ton of quarterbacks in my opinion who if put in Brady's situation, would have become the same quarterback.
We can debate it all day, but everything Ray said is dead on. Take away the tuck rule, the Patriots dynasty probably NEVER gets off the ground. And neither does Brady...
45. "seriously guys, Bledsoe REALLY wasn't getting that job back" In response to Reply # 0
i was just gonna leave it at my short reply, but people are actually entertaining this which is pretty hilarious. let me give you the rundown of how it happened. i remember the QB controversy very well:
After a bunch of mediocrity with Bledsoe, Wonderboy comes in and sparks the team. They go 11-3 with him as starter, including a win streak to end the season, and get a bye. Even if we lose to the Raiders, he's getting that job. They might hang on to Bledsoe as insurance and have them compete in training camp, but there is ZERO chance they're just handing the keys back to Bledsoe, and about the same chance that Bledsoe keeps that job IF he gets it back. They had 2 chances to go back to Drew that season alone: when Bledsoe first came back (they were merely .500 at the time) and when Brady got injured in the AFC game (meaning they could've stuck with Bledsoe for the SB) and they didn't pull the trigger. That's not just random. You guys act like Bledsoe was spectacular in Buffalo or Dallas or the Pats wouldn't have struggled with him at the helm in 2002.
47. "Belichick was 5-13 with Bledsoe lol" In response to Reply # 45
and probably would have lost his job if he stuck with Bledsoe if folk are honest. I remember those games. It was like night and day with Brady running the offense.
52. "given where the franchise was, no reason not to stick with Brady" In response to Reply # 47
at least for the time being. they were pretty bad for a few years and then they magically get their first playoff berth in a while. they're not going back to the previous QB no matter who it is. i was there for the first game of the win streak which also happened to be the first week bledsoe was back. everyone was sold on brady over bledsoe except a small portion of the fanbase. you could feel it. not that the fanbase has anything to do with personnel decisions, but that's the way the tide was going. it was a no-brainer by the playoffs.
So much revisionist history and lies in Overqualified's post about Bledsoe (LOLOLOL) I didn't even know where to begin. But this is the answer. I also vividly remember this controversy and Bledsoe had NO chance of getting that job back. Motherfucker came in and WON THE GAME in Pittsburgh after the Snow Bowl and Belichick STILL started Brady on a bum leg. Thank god he did, too.
All the above comes from someone who was a HUGE Bledsoe fan growing up but his time was up.
56. "Yep. Couldn't agree more." In response to Reply # 55
Will always love Bledsoe and appreciate what he did for the franchise. He had some of the most exciting moments in Patriots' history in his early years. Motherfucker had Peyton Manning level talent at that time.
As a good friend of mine so eloquently put it once..."Bledsoe built Gillette Stadium. Brady decorated it"
49. "Can you also dispel a myth that my friend keeps perpetuating?" In response to Reply # 45
Brady was drafted by the Patriots who needed a quarterback, correct? I know their roster had four quarterbacks on it but the team felt the need to draft Brady, right? In other words, the Pats drafted Brady because they needed him.
51. "i don't remember the draft, but from what i understand" In response to Reply # 49
they thought of him as (potentially) the future, not just a back-up. obviously they weren't strong in that belief since he was taken in the 6th round. they were actually embarrassed that they didn't have him higher on their board given how he turned out.
70. "Man In The Arena really put this to bed." In response to Reply # 45
People forget Bledsoe was back well before the regular season was over and Belichick chose to stay with Brady. Bledsoe subbed in for Brady when he got injured early in the AFC Championship game and Belichick still went BACK to Brady for the SuperBowl. Bledsoe was not getting that job back, period.
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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin
68. "Tom Brady Has Won FOUR More Rings Since This Post. Lmao" In response to Reply # 0
You could eliminate his entire 15 year career before this post was typed and he would still be a first ballot hall of famer with as many rings as any other QB.
“He’s the most basic quarterback you’ve ever seen. It’s the simplest football that you’ll ever see in your life…he’s figured it out: don’t complicate football…People can hate on him, y’all can be mad at him, but he’s the best quarterback we’ve ever seen.” - Ray Lewis
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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin
72. "You just compared hitting a HR to winning a SuperBowl" In response to Reply # 69
Because he does it so much. That in itself shows how insanely great Tom Brady is. Thanks for confirmation. Please keep this post upped so we can continue to laugh at you.
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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
84. "Nobody also talks about the Giants defensive lineman" In response to Reply # 0
pretty much outing the Patriots along with Spagnuolo about how they KNEW the Patriots were STEALING signals so they changed all their signals in the last two weeks heading up to the superbowl.
Also check the 3rd quarter of the Eagles vs Patriots superbowl 39 and how they pretty much had the perfect play call for the eagles offense.
Guess who was on the coaching staff of the Eagles Spagnuolo.
98. "re-watching the 30 for 30 with Brady and Woodson there were so many..." In response to Reply # 0
plays in that game that could've swung things the other way and possibly Brady's career and NFL history lol, he's definitely the most unlikely goat in any sport
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